/vr/ - Retro Games

>>2892012
You won't shut up because we have done this before and the gba was shut down then and every time since then. So how about you just shut up about it now. We already have rules in place, either deal with it or fucking leave. There's plenty of other sites you can go to for this if you don't like it here.

>25 total votes
uh...

>>2892023
Its a slow board, wait a little bit

>>2892024
It's also night in the US.

Current results after 1 hour. Going to bed, won't check again for ~12 hours.

>>>/vr2k/

ITS AS SIMPLE AS THAT

OLD VR IS HAPPY
2K VR IS HAPPY
GAYCUBE XBECKS PEES2
HALO GENERAL

JUST MAKE THE NEW BOARD HERO YUKI

I'll delete this thread to while I'm at it. This isn't retro please go to /v with Gba talk thank you.

>>2892159
would be dead board

/vr/ should never change the consoles, ever.

I'm willing to put up with the DC, but that's it.

>>2892012
Fuck off, retard.

>>>/v/

>>2892209
You mean >>>/vp/

>>2892179
It absolutely is retro. To say otherwise would be wildly delusional.

>>2892012
I could see why you fuckers wouldnt want ps2/gc/xbox/dc discussion here but come on, the GBA is basically a portable snes you guys are being retarded about this.

>>2892219
>>2892221
The cutoff isn't changing.

Just give it up.

The console itself shouldn't matter as much as the games released.
So, any game released on the GBA in 2001 is fine, but anything after that is not retro.

Fifteen years, guys. It's always been fifteen years.

>>2892228
This is even more retarded than not allowing gba at all

>>2892228
Where was it 15 years? I never seen it said here or anywhere

>>2892228
>it's always been 15 years guise

False. You haven't been here since day one.

Go to that OTHER chan and make /vr2k+/ and enjoy. Don't ruin our board with you nostalgic children.

>>2892234
The other chan isn't fucking retarded and illogical about this the way you are. They have a rolling 12 year gap. So they don't have to even have these stupid threads.

>>2892232
>>2892234
Okay, that's fair, I haven't been here since literally Day 1. I am just going off the sticky dated from Feb 2014 that defines retro as 1999 and earlier.

By that logic, I would think that when we hit Feb 2016, it should be redefined to 2001 and earlier. That was the point I was trying to make.

>>2892237
The go there since it fits the sort of needs you want rather than forcing everyone to comply to it.

You have a place already.

>>2892237
The other chan allows you to make any board that you want, little kid.

Call us illogical? So then go over there.

Don't let the door slam your ass on the way out.

>>2892237
Even better, why are you still here then?

We should really create a new retro board so that the 14 year olds who think that "retro, retro never changes" can stay here and we can migrate to reality

>>2892239
Nah, the community defined 1999 as the cutoff, spergs sperged real hard and DC was grandfathered in as a special exception.

The limit will never increase. It's permanent... as it defined an era that then died.

It will never change.

>>2892243
Fine, nothing wrong with that. Ask Hiroshima, hopefully you will be happy in your new home, cheers.

>>2892243
That's funny kid. Where you even alive before 9/11?

>>2892257
Yes I was 18 years old

Plz stop this nonsense. We NEED a generation buffer because its already bad enough. Im old and I need my retro games to be retro

>>2892251
we must one up the sperglords, Dreamcast is no longer retro

>>2892261
Post a pic of your DL or I'm going to just assume you're a lying piece of shit.

>let's see what excuses he brings up

>>2892269
I'm not doxing myself because you're a fucking moron that thinks there is a single age of video games.

At some point in the future there will be ages of video games much like there are ages of comics, golden age, silver age, bronze age and modern age

The only question is what to call them, that's it, get over it

>>2892269
It was obvious he wasn't going to post anything. Last time he said he was in his 40s, now he's 33 somehow.

>>2892280
Excuses, excuses.

Admit it, you're a child. That's okay...

Just stay in /v/ or go to the other chan.

>>2892285
It's bizarre how what you're doing is not considered shitposting

>>2892286
I was born in 1982 but stay mad that you think only a child could have my opinion. Your opinion is actually the childish one as it makes no plans for a future that will definitely arrive

>>2892012
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>>2892286
Florida?!?!
oh god...im so sorry.

but hey least you got the theme parks, right?

good lord no. The last thing I want is for a bunch of nintendollers trying to pretend Golden Sun wasn't a steaming pile of shit

>>2892295
>GBA is as old as the Dreamcast was when it was made board-legal
>GBA somehow isn't retro

I love the GBA, but there are plenty of GBA threads on /v/ all the time.

I'm aware that /v/ can be shit, but all you have to do is make a general in /vg/ or maintain alpha status in your threads on /v/

As of right now, there is no need for gba to be welcome in /vr/

>>2892308
Dreamcast is a favorite console of 14 year olds who pretend they're old and crotchety

>>2892292
Time is relative.

Go to the other chan.

>>2892296
Florida has some nice nature in many parts. It also has low taxes and good gun rights.

It's not bad, I don't mind it here but I'm here for work, I used to live in Colorado which was master race.

>>2892308
Stop shilling for PS2 to become "retro" with your backdoor 2001-system argument

>>2892303

Golden Sun isn't a steaming pile of shit, anon. Enough with the hyperbole. Leave it for your /v/ posts.

It just wasn't as good as some claim it to be.

>>2892308
You're right.

We need to ban DC again.

>>2892308
This board is for the discussion of classic, or "retro" games. Retro gaming means consoles, computer games, arcade games (including pinball) and any other forms of video games on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier. With the release of the 8th generation of consoles, the Sega Dreamcast will now be considered "retro", though the remainder of the sixth generation (Xbox, PS2, GameCube) will not.

I swear, you motherfuckers can't read.

2000+ goes on /v/ you fucking child brained piece of shit.

>GBA release date: March 21, 2001

>Sega Dreamcast: November 27, 1998

See that, autist? Dreamcast meets the 1999 and earlier requirements. GBA doesn't.

Fucking idiot.

>>2892324
PS2 is retro, ya big goober.

>>2892331
Not pre-1999.

Not retro.

>>2892329
>placing an arbitrary limit based on year, as if there was literally any logic behind that at all

HURR DURR IM RIGHT YOURE ALL CHILDREN

>>2892329
deal with the fact that PS2 is now retro

>>2892332
Retro is like 2004/2005ish and back.

>m-muh sticky!

The sticky is outdated and wrong. Factually, objectively wrong.

>>2892334
Then leave faggot.

>>2892334
It's in the sticky for the board rules.

"WAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH THOSE ROOLS IS DUM!!!!"

Get over it, faggot.

>>2892339
You're the one destroying the community. Why don't you leave?

>>2892335
>PS2

>Released in 2001

lol... no.

>>2892338
The sticky was decided by the community from the beginning.

December 31, 1999 is the cutoff for all retro platforms and PC games.

>>2892340
When the rules conflict with reality, the rules are no longer valid.

>>2892334

>HURR DURR

Be sensible. There is no real reason to have retro be considered anything 10 years and back. It's arbitrary both ways.

As things stand, why is there a need for GBA discussion on /vr/?

>>2892345
I was here from day one when we decided on the rules.

>>2892350
That wasn't how we started. And it's still wrong.

>>2892334

>HURR DURR

...and you're the one trying to imply he's mature. Sheesh.

>>2892350
you fags always do this appeal to authority shit, it's pathetic and baseless in logic

>>2892354
I don't give a fuck about the GBA. But it's retro, so it counts.

>>2892351
Explain why you can't talk about GBA and PS2 on /v/.

And coincidently why you can't go to the other chan... the board that agrees with you.

>>2892364
Irrelevant. Those are the rules we agreed on.

>>2892365

>It is retro because I say so

You're overvaluing your take on things. How is it retro? When you make a claim, you have to justify it.

I have yet to see anything other than "I SAY IT IS RETRO SO IT IS RETRO" from you.

I dislike the GBA, because it broke the GB line for me. Since day one it was marketed as a portable SNES. I had nothing to do with Nintendo home consoles, and the GBA was considerably more capable than some damn living room junk. Frustrated me so badly, I abandoned the whole GBA line and didn't go back to a handheld until the DS lite.

>>2892179
>Impersonating a 4chan administrator, moderator, or janitor is strictly forbidden.

>>2892209
>You will not post any of the following outside of /b/: Trolls, flames, racism, off-topic replies, uncalled for catchphrases, macro image replies, indecipherable text (example: "lol u tk him 2da bar|?"), anthropomorphic ("furry") or grotesque ("guro") images, post number GETs ("dubs"), or loli/shota pornography.

>>2892251
>You will not post any of the following outside of /b/: Trolls, flames, racism, off-topic replies, uncalled for catchphrases, macro image replies, indecipherable text (example: "lol u tk him 2da bar|?"), anthropomorphic ("furry") or grotesque ("guro") images, post number GETs ("dubs"), or loli/shota pornography.

>>2892269
>You will not post any of the following outside of /b/: Trolls, flames, racism, off-topic replies, uncalled for catchphrases, macro image replies, indecipherable text (example: "lol u tk him 2da bar|?"), anthropomorphic ("furry") or grotesque ("guro") images, post number GETs ("dubs"), or loli/shota pornography.

>>2892269
>You will not post or request personal information ("dox") or calls to invasion ("raids"). Inciting or participating in cross-board (intra-4chan) raids is also not permitted.

>>2892295
>You will not post any of the following outside of /b/: Trolls, flames, racism, off-topic replies, uncalled for catchphrases, macro image replies, indecipherable text (example: "lol u tk him 2da bar|?"), anthropomorphic ("furry") or grotesque ("guro") images, post number GETs ("dubs"), or loli/shota pornography.

Follow the rules of this website.

>>2892012
Why the fuck do you need GBA on here?

The vast majority of the GBA's library is just ports of SNES and GB Color games.

It's not that fucking important or even interesting.

>>2892372
It has to do with when the system was discontinued, the cutoff date is 2006

>>2892373

>it was marketed as a portable snes
>All those SNES ports like Mario All Stars as the Mario Advance games + Yoshi's Island, Link to the Past, etc.

Eh, yeah. But we did end up getting great Game Boy games like Wario Land 4 and the Mega Man Zero games, Final Fantasy Tactics Advance, Metroid Zero Mission, as well as the Battle Network games.

What was so bad about it?

>>2892381
BUT...

SOMEONE MIGHT DISCUSS HALO!

>>2892351
The GBA was only just discontinued in 2008.

That is in no way, a very long time ago.

It's in no way retro.

Kill yourself.

>>2892384

Don't mistake my intentions. I love the GBA, but I don't really think it belongs here.

There are Mega Man Zero, Mega Man Battle Network, Wario Land, FFTA, and all kinds of other GBA threads that regularly reach the post limit on /v/. That is proof alone that it isn't really necessary quite yet.

>>2892386
Umm the PS1 was only discontinued in 2006, PS1 is not retro

>>2892387
b-b-b-but muh halo fanboys...

>>2892381
many of these games were effectively designed as SNES games. If you like the SNES, that's cool. If you don't give a damn about it, these games do nothing for you.

I'm rather more interested in stuff like V-Rally. A couple jaws dropped when it was previewed, but it was clear from the very beginning that this is within the abilities of the GBA. Even in terms of 2D the GBA was massively ahead of what the SNES could do, thanks to hardware sprite scaling and improved scaling and rotation for background layers.

>>2892387

The Mega Man Battle Network threads are usually some of the best threads on /v/, too.

Get fucked OP

>>2892384
Meh, that's reason enough.

Halo as a whole is fucking trash. Only CE is any good and compared to a lot of earlier games, it's pretty mediocre.

>>2892384
>>2892390

Why do you keep bringing up Halo?

Stop shitposting

>>2892394
Halo and Halo 2 were the shit u are crazy

>>2892374
How would you know I'm not a mod. You have no idea.

>>2892389
I never said it was.

I personally don't consider the original playstation retro.

But that's just me. And I'm not the one trying to impose my will here. I follow the rules. Now fuck off.

>>2892396
Because I'm making fun of literally the only argument the opposition has. Their only argument is "BUT THEY'LL TALK ABOUT GAMES I DON'T LIKE!!"

>>2892401
Well if you follow the rules you must personally consider the original Playstation to be retro. so start following the rules or fuck off

>>2892391
>V-Rally

I really liked Sonic Battle. Is this the type of tech you were talking about? The SNES couldn't do what Sonic Battle was doing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOBbILJzkoI

>>2892397
You're right anon, Halo 2 IS shit.

Fuck your fond memories of the multiplayer. The storyline, gameplay etc. is far inferior as far as Halo CE.

Every faggot gamer magazine and website on the planet gave it a 10/10 when it was a 6.7 at best.

>>2892402

...except it isn't the only argument the opposition has. You've just been skirting around posts.

Did just OP broke? All because he doesn't get to talk about a couple of systems on a japanese imageboard? Jesus, the internet is serious business...

>>2892405
Halo CE is also the shit

>>2892404
Sure that works. It doesn't have to be 3D, the GBA has a bunch of features that broke 3D support quite badly. The GBA had per pixel access, and the already mentioned scaling and rotation abilities. It was, in a way, a whole new world in terms of 2D graphics. It was just massively underused, because everyone was latching on to the "retro" SNES stuff.

>>2892376
This.

>>2892408
Yeah... It is pretty shitty.

>>2892372
It's not just me. An awful lot of the comments from other people in this thread and similar ones share this sort of view.

Okay. Unjerking. Shitposting aside, My point is that none of us can define what something as nebulous as "retro" is. Obviously we aren't using it in the dictionary definition sense. I think the way we're using that term as its defined in the sticky poses a problem. The reason people claim that it's arbitrary or illogical is because it doesn't make sense to divide "retro" as a set period in time. Time passes, things become older, they take on a different perception. We view them differently. I don't think "retro" can be defined by generation, either. FIFA 15 on PS2 obviously isn't in anyone's definition of retro, not that anyone would be starting discussions about it anyway. I don't think having a set 10 or 12 or 15 or whatever year limit is the best way to define it either, but for the sake of board rules, I think that could work really well.

Out of curiosity, I've asked a couple different people over this last week what they define as "retro". Most of them said "anything about ten years old or more." When asked about video games in particular, said about two console generations back is a good rule of thumb. Granted, this is completely anecdotal and not at all scientific or representative of any real data. But I think it does go to show that "retro" is not a concept so easily defined, but it is viewed as something that moves with time. If it were up to me, I would take some time to think about whether I would impose a 12 or 15 year limit for /vr/, because I think that would be a great way to keep the community vibrant and fresh, while maintaining its aesthetic and niche.

I think the thing people on this side of the conversation get most frustrated with, is that most of the opposition is quick, one off shitposts (that's on both sides, I'm obviously guilty of being a fucking idiot about this as well, and I apologize.) TO BE CONTD.

>>2892409

Well, I'm having trouble of thinking of other examples, so I'm going to say you're probably right.

Pretty sure there was a James Bond Nightfire game and a Duke Nukem port but other than that, I'm drawing complete and total blanks.

>>2892391
>>2892404
Look-up Asterix and Obelix XXL.

>>2892416
ports, yeah. It had Doom and a couple variants, Ecks vs. Sever as an actually good game for the platform. Hell, I'll even give it that F-Zero was actually a good port, because it didn't just take the SNES game, it worked with the platform. Two independently scaled and rotated backgrounds make the tracks actually float above the city, and sprite scaling makes the crafts move better.
But still, ports, lots of them, and remakes, and just very little inspiration or originality. A sad platform.
You could argue, sad enough that Nintendo eventually killed the GB line, and tried to start over fresh with the NDS line. Its non-standard inputs and display setup forced devs a bit to think outside the box, and it helped.

>>2892419
Seen it, it didn't wow me as much as V-Rally did. Seems a bit wooden or forced.

>>2892409

don't think the gba could render polygons, cheesy fake 3d wasn't very popular

games like wario land 4, gunstar super heroes, metroid zero mission, zelda minish cap, kirby nightmare in dreamland would not have worked on snes there's too much speed and fluidity

>>2892419
>Asterix and Obelix XXL.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWBUdgIa0oE

Did not know this game existed. Thanks anon.

That is impressive. Shame more games didn't tinker with that type of technology. I'd imagine that Nintendo could have used it well.

yeah, GBA is retro so I suppose it should be on 4chan

>>2892424
>don't think the gba could render polygons
It could, and did. The CPU had sufficient power for some polygons, the graphics mode allowed direct drawing of pixels, which is godsend when you work with polygons.
Pic shows Karnaaj. It's a bit of a Death Rally clone. The palm trees and the bridge are visibly above the track and move with perspective, kind of like the buildings in GTA, if you're unfamiliar with Death Rally. Mind you, Karnaaj is far from end game. The already mentioned Asterix game used a textured raycaster engine, and V-Rally had kind of Screamer-level visuals, perspective textured polygons.

>>2892427

>>2892424
>>2892431
The car's a fat sprite overlay, but the track and its direct surroundings are textured polygons.

>>2892415
CONTD

And that shitposting isn't helping anybody. On either side.
So look. My point here is that I, and from the looks of it, many other people in this community, genuinely consider a lot of stuff from the early 2000s to be retro. To say 1999 is retro in 2014, but in 2016 we still can't say 2000 is retro, seems like a logical fallacy. I have not seen a single argument in favor of the current rules that I think is valid, or even well thought out. Again, that's purely subjective. Just my experience. But I think the rules are less than optimal and certainly worth at least having a conversation about. Unfortunately, our biggest hindrance to conversation is the nature of 4chan, which is to use our anonymity to act like retards to try to goad a rise out of the other person, which makes actual discourse difficult.

That's also why 6th gen discussions are nigh impossible on /v/. It's the single most putrid cesspool of the Internet. It is 100% shitposting about current industry politics or STUFF I LIKE IS GOOD AND STUFF YOU LIKE IS BAD with no room for any sort of conversation or discussion, or hell, even an argument.

There are a lot of us here on /vr/ that want to gather together and talk about some stuff from the early 2000s that we consider retro. I firmly believe there is a way to do that without compromising the quality of integrity of /vr/. Conversely, I think that would provide a much needed shot in the arm for this board's breadth of discussion topics. You can only have the same thread topics of people arguing over Final Fantasy waifus for so long, ya know?

>>2892431
>>2892436

that's interesting. maybe it seemed dated compared 3d consoles at the time?

Does this board not have mods?

Ban this faggot ass OP.

>>2892437
It's probably just me being old, but I remember that Doom 3 and Far Cry are both from 2004, I have a really difficult time thinking of these games as outdated or retro. These games have extremely modern design in terms of tutorializing, weapon and health usage, and, though that's just me, fairly modern graphics. I'd play them today and not think of them as dated or old.
That's a bit of a general problem with the cutoff we currently have for this board. It works, because it marks that line where console 3D graphics were an experiment, and at least in reflection, too limited for what they tried to do. That does not really apply to Doom or Farcry any longer, or to PS2 or XBox in general.
So, as much as I dislike the date cutoff from the sticky, there is a bit of a meta-generation cutoff at that time, and it makes the board work.

As for the variety of topics, it's in our hands. Some of the /vr/ generals have regular small scale competitions, do modding, exchange news. The board's as alive as we want it to be. And waifus aside, I think the pace it has, is healthy, and good.

>>2892440
that's one part of it. This impression caused the rise of the PSP, which boosted "better" graphics, at the expense of many other mobile features. The beginning of the end. The other aspect is the already mentioned retro impression the GBA had to deal with. As a developer you could experiment with 3D, and deal with what you mentioned, or experiment with 2D and be drowned out, or do cookie cutter SNES style visuals and get some nostalgia sales. It was a really difficult system, from a marketing viewpoint.

>>2892437

I hear you, but I agree with >>2892443

Also, some of the best threads on /v/ are the GBA threads. If you are a part of them, surely you can't deny this. As mentioned earlier, some of the most consistently discussed games on /v/ include

>Mega Man Zero series
>Mega Man Battle Network series
>Wario Land 4
>FF Tactics Advance
>3rd Gen Pokemon
>M&L: Super Star Saga
>GBA Yugioh games in every Yugioh thread
>Legacy of Goku/Buus Fury games
>Sonic Advance series

Hell, lately I've seen three threads where there was discussion on that one Crash Bandicoot game on GBA that wasn't complete shit and was pretty true to the original Playstation games. People were praising it and having a good time talking about it.

What you're asking for is to basically make /v/ even shittier and possibly make /vr/ even shittier by moving that discussion to be had exclusively here. I can't really support it even if I love the GBA.

Give it a few years.

>>2892442

THIS

And thats why you kids are the funniest board

>>2892472

>And that's why
>Doesn't say why

Great post anon.

>>2892473
I just like to watch kids doing "adults pretend play"

>>2892480

well meme'd my friend

>>2892481
/v/ enthusiast?

>>2892485
>enthusiast
>for /v/

Good lord man

>>2892503
>using "well meme'd"
Thats a "low bord" dialect, not level of supreme /vr/

>>2892506

GBA will be our trojan horse

>>2892525
By the end of the year I wouldn't be surprised if we have Gears of War nostalgia threads by people who were 10 years old when it came out.

>>2892538
There was a Super Famicom GoW game?

>>2892539
I would play that

>>2892012
Just post about the Game Boy Advance in /v/?

You act like there's no place to post about the GBA. I don't get it.

>>2892012
Unlike the Dreamcast, it's a 2D game system. It's a decade and a half old. It died completely a good decade ago.

I think /vr/ is ready for GBA discussion. I don't know what would be discussed, but aside from Metroid, Pokemon, Golden Sun, Boktai, and Wario Land 4, the GBA gets little attention on /v/, so as long as it's not any of those (Aside from Wario, of course) all day every day it could be interesting.

A large group of /vr/ is retarded

It thinks waifu threads are ok
Halo threads aren't

I have never even played halo and I'd be more interested in reading about that than claiming wife shit.

Seriously vr, let go

>>2892570
You're the only retard here. Halo will never be retro.

>>2892575
Yeah mate
Claim your wife and tell everyone that you don't agree with >>>>>/v/

You'd rather experience and/or participate in awful threads about waifus, than something actually about game play.

What are halo bros going to talk about, click, die and respawn? Wtf is counterstrike? Stop acting like your cancer started in y2k

It was always there. Learn that cream rises regardless of when it was created.

shit analogy, didn't want to use aged wine though

>>2892570

I like waifus and I want to discuss my childhood memories of 6th gen with /vr/

Generalizing like that on an anonymous board is retarded.

>>2892575
Shitty opinions are bad, but this stigmatic garbage is worse. I think Halo was a boring game and i don't understand why anyone would want to talk about it but posts like this, just fuck off.

>>2892594
>childhood memories of 6th gen
It's just sound so wrong.

>>2892594
The primary excuse is

No halo
No Persona
No Kingdom Hearts
No teedus
No call of duty
Insert whatever shit that people get angry about

There is a lot of participants on /vr/ that claim that this board is the last bastion of intellectual discussion. It's not, never was.

I don't fucken care about waifus. I ignore it like all the other shit in the world that I have no interest in. Do I care that you base fucks enjoy it? No. I don't go into your threads and shitpost them up.

Can't guys just go to eightchan, reddit or /v/ to talk about that shit. Shits not retro and will never be retro. It may get old, ancient even, but never retro.

>>2892618
Don't feed him. Just report and wait.

>>2892610

You care enough to be shitposting here though. Ignore this thread if it bothers you.

>>2892012
Here's a better idea: Change the rule to any system 3 generations old or more. That way when the NX comes out gen 6 will be eligible for /vr/.

>>2892642

Here's a better idea: 1999 cut out date is fine

>>2892647
Can't accept you're getting old huh?

I don't want even DC in /vr/, so no.

>>2892642
gen 6 lasted till 2013, I don't want /v/ posting games made in 2004 and acting like it's better than the older games from the 80s/90s. The DOOM vs Halo threads will be an absolute nightmare.

JUST

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTr3oSE8pwg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x66GUr-Lg8Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9t80cI9IuHo

casual reminder that this is retro by the definition of the board rules.

also: casual reminder that allowing the gba on /vr/ is not barring anyone from just not participating in the thread(s). it will hurt no one. if you bring up some retarded slippery slope analogy, i'll find you and i'll cut you.

>>2892656
Why? it was made before the cutoff date and it's a great console.

>>2892652

I'm 21, I just think the 1999 cut out date makes sense, and also if we are going to keep changing the rules every couple of years, then why are they rules to begin with? Just allow all generations and be done with it.

If I want to discuss 6th gen I can do so on /v/ and /vg/ (and countless other forums and boards on the internet)

FUCK

>>2892658

"SUP /VR/, NOW THE DUST IS SETTLED CAN WE AGREE DOOM 3 IS THE BEST GAME IN THE SERIES AS DOOM 2 IS OVERRATED DOS CRAP?"

"[youtuber video linked saying Halo is better than Goldeneye] WHAT DID HE MEANT BY THIS?"

Truly golden times await for us!

>>2892638
You misunderstand what lack of interest is.

As I said I don't shit up threads I don't like. The problem is that people that enter threads that they have a strong negative emotions towards and spew shit. I entered this because I get tired of people that only want to listen to Motley Crüe and think that rock didn't progress from that point in time.

V is for current
Vg is for general where most of this forum belongs: which ff, which dq, which mario, which uniracer.

If you aren't interested ignore it. Do you listen to whatever is on the Casey whatever charts. No. Move on.

This dogmatism is the antithesis of what 4chan is, was, etc

>>2892668
you sound like a sissy

>>2892671

So you get tired of people because of [x] motives. That's negative emotions. Just ignore and move on, dick.

>>2892668
>NOW THE DUST IS SETTLED
I keep reporting these threads and they don't go away. "Uncalled-for catchphrases" are against the rules. If we get moderated for discussing games, then it's only fair that the global rules get enforced.

There is a bias from the mods. They need to be removed or replaced.

>>2892661
Difference between the dreamcast and GBA/PS2/Xbox/Gamecube is that the DC was released before the assigned cutoff date and the rest were released after. Regardless if you like or dislike the dreamcast, it's retro, the rest aren't, and that isn't changing. Go post on /v/ if you want modern consoles.

>>2892686
Then why did we have to wait for the PS4 to be released for it to be allowed here?

We don't want to go to /v/ because /v/ is too fast and they refuse to discuss games. /v/ is off topic, and we are being banned for discussing 15 year old games.

>>2892675
You still don't get it friend. This is something I'm interested in. Hence why I participate. Please understand the difference between the lack of interest in whatever ever regurgitated shit you want to lurk and this thread.

>>2892159
This

>>2892686
but anon, that date is entirely and absolutely arbitrary. do you never question any policy at all? do you never consider good arguments? do you work the same way when it comes to, say, real-world politics? the only argument i ever literally hear is the date is there so the date is there. that's not even an argument. that's nothing. come on dude, challenge me a bit.

>>2892686
they do have a point in that going by the visuals, the DC is quite a bit ahead. Nothing against rules, but part of good rules is a regular evaluation if they still seem fine, because rules that seem arbitrary are usually dismissed by the ruled populace. Just ask the people on here about the legality and consequences of unpaid downloading (whoops, can of worms right there). This thread is such an evaluation, and dismissing it with "that's the rules" is not doing us any favor.
It's also a worthwhile discussion how the GBA is more "modern" than the DC is, because that's what the current rules imply, for example. There's probably little disagreement on PS2, XBox or GC being more "modern". The GBA is an odd little fellow though. Question is, is it odd enough to suggest an exception to the rules? Or does an exception make no sense, because indeed the GBA has more modern traits? Shifting the date is not much of an option, due to the automatic inclusion of the aforementioned systems. Maybe a date is not a good delimiter?
Mind you, I posted a bit earlier that I personally don't like the GBA, and wouldn't miss it on here. My personal opinion aside though, it is worthwhile to evaluate it on its own merits.

>>2892690
I don't want to go to /soc/ either because it has ids but I want to post my dick here because it feels comfy. My dick is 25 years old so sure it's retro enough, the rules don't make sense we dickposters want a place to post our dick who's with me.

>>2892702
is your dick a video game?

don't get cute with us, bro. bring real arguments to the table.

>>2892672

Nah, ignoring shit won't make it go away aru

>>2892415
FIFA 15 wasn't released on the PS2, you tuberous root.

>>2892705
Then why do we allow the dreamcast while ban gamecube or PS2? The PS2 is better than that garbage hipster console, the dreamcast, so why not allow it?

>>2892712
ban the dreamcast

>>2892709
it literally will

>>2892712
bu-bu-bu-bu muh fifa game

>>2892712
>that garbage hipster console, the dreamcast
You're not doing your point any favors if you pepper it with insults like that.
Because despite your intentions, what you're asking for with that throwawy remark, is more console flamewars, and people are quite happy on this board to have few or none of those.

>>2892713
>ban the dreamcast
exactly, nobody wanted it to begin with, so re-ban it.

>>2892712
Because the dreamcast was released in 1998

>>2892719
>nobody wanted it
Wrong

Every time this comes up, the RETRO PURITY fags always whine and complain and pretend that nobody wants to talk about GBA here and that it's a minority of kids asking for it. It's pretty hilarious when you look at the poll and more than half of the board actually wants GBA discussion here.

Let's just make it happen. The people have spoken.

All you 'not retro' faggots are all thats stopping this board from getting with the times. Face it, this board is practically dead and none of you want to admit it. Allowing ps2 and gba is the first step that would bring it back from life support.

>>2892724
>https://strawpoll.me/6436491
must be the time zone. When I voted a small majority was against inclusion

>>2892728
>this board is practically dead
I like its pace a lot. A topic stays around for a week or two, and the people contributing actually post stuff that matters, because they're interested in the subject, not just memes or getting a reaction out of people.

>>2892729
maybe we should set the cut-off point to when you voted if the result fits your world view better

>>2892729

I can't imagine the time zone would have anything to do with it. Right now it's saying that 54% are yes and 46% are no. Anyone care to confirm?

>>2892723
>Wrong
Then why was the dreamcast not originally allowed here if it was retro as DCfags claim it is?

>>2892739
My suggestion is that different regions of the world vote at different times, affecting the result, as different regions might have experienced the various systems in a different way.
Currently it is indeed 54 vs. 46.

>>2892724
Before more than half were against it, and now more than half are for it, but when you say that then you have to also include that nearly half are against it as well. It isn't as clear as night or day.

>>2892728
If we wanted a speedy board we would go to /v/. I use /v/ for other games that don't fall under here. I am still bewildered as to why others are unable to do so and have to force their way into here.

One of the benefits of /vr/ is that it is slow. Just because it is too slow for you doesn't mean it isn't perfect for others.

This board is already /v2/. Nothing to save anymore, let the pedantic autist with a multiple personality dissorder do what he wants and accept we can't have nice things.

>>2892745

Well so? I'd argue that the result after 200 people have had the chance to vote is a lot more representative of board opinion than after just 100 have voted. I'm in Europe and just woke up, saw this thread and cast my vote. If we closed the poll after you voted, I wouldn't have had a chance to vote, along with probably a lot of other people so I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.

>>2892758
I'm not saying to take the earlier result, just how fucking dumb are you people? I'm suggesting to wait at least a full 24h period, if not longer, to let people vote, as obviously the voter base is quite split, since the poll managed to be on both sides of the middle.

>>2892758
he's saying the cut-off date is 1999. cut-off dates are important.

>>2892760

Sounds good to me. Regardless of who wins, I hope we can stop pretending that nobody wants to see GBA stuff here.

>>2892761
Know what else is "important" according to internet keyboard warriors? "Pronouns".

>>2892765
I like the way the board handles the GBA currently. It's mostly abused as a port machine, so every now and then when a game comes up on other hardware that's talked about, people may mention the GBA port and share a healthy chuckle.

I don't think I'm alone in voting yes solely to put an end to threads like this one.

>>2892012
there's no point doing a strawpoll because its easily abused.

we need to make "gba" an autoban. these threads are getting ridiculous.

>>2892774
You know what would happen if the GBA would get included? Tons of threads complaining about it being part of the board. Basically the inverse of what you currently have. Unless you get people convinced one way or another, you'll have a loud fraction complaining about the, in their eyes, unjust decision.

>>2892775
>we need to make "gba" an autoban
Bad idea. Even if this board is not about modern systems, I've been in several good threads, that mention modern remakes or sequels in passing. There's a good reason to occasionally put /vr/ games in context.

>>2892697

You can't expect these people to actually argue with you like an adult. Their position isn't based in anything rational so the last thing they'd want to do is actually debate with you. All they have is their dogma and their assertion that, because the rules say we can't talk about GBA, we should never be able to talk about it. The rules are infallible to them and can never ever be changed, even when they're not practical anymore. Religious thinking. For a lot of them it's all based in nostalgia and they're only thinking emotionally. There is this poisonous mindset that /vr/ should be a time capsule that should never be breached. It's got a lot in common with something like a feminist safe space where outside opinions are not welcome and the whole place becomes an echo chamber as a result.

>>2892781
Sure, let's try to debate with you like adults just for you to ignore us completely, say "no one has been able to give me a valid reason yet" and keep going with the exact same mantras. Yes I'm triggered, good fucking work, have fun.

>>2892781
Yet they have no problem breaking MULTIPLE GLOBAL RULES in every single thread on the site.

You either follow ALL the rules or you LEAVE the site. Permabans when?

>>2892775

Someone might fix the elections so let's just get rid of them. Throw any political dissidents in the gulags.

These are the people who are against GBA in /vr/.

>>2892742
Because the original rule was based on console generations and 1999 was to cap the PC and arcade games.
Since there was a lot of overlapping games between the DC and the retro games allowed to discuss in /vr/ there was a strong push by a lot of people to allow the DC as well.
Either way the only thing I was arguing was that you are very wrong when you say no one wanted the DC here, the whole board was very divided on it, it was a pretty contemptuous discussion. Kind of like what we're seeing here, except I don't really see the argument working for the GBA except people arguing that the aesthetics look like the SNES.

>>2892789

Yeah, once again you haven't actually provided any argument. You just got upset and made this post. You've just thoroughly proven me right.

>>2892768
literally what the fuck are you even talking about? you come across as awfully disheveled in your head.

>>2892789
WHERE IS YOUR ARGUMENT

>>2892793

Not against GBA; against post-1999 systems.

I love GBA and some 6th gen but I understand /vr/ is not the place to discuss them.

People who whine about inclusion of whatever system are just that: whiny people.

If eventually 6th gen is allowed, there will be people whining about Xbox 360, "it was released over 10 years ago, by my definition, that's retro and we must be allowed to discuss it, because I say so!"

>See thread start at wee hourse of the morning; 3 replies
>go to bed
>7 hours later, 200 goddamn replies

You people truly eat bait like fish.

>>2892809
>slippery slope
just admit you got nothing, pham

>>2892812
>197 posts
>47 IPs

>>2892809
Part of the discussion is if a date based or generational cutoff is the correct way to go. The GBA does not really belong to any home console generation, and at least superficially it's closer to console generations already allowed on /vr/. In a way, the system defies the categorization put up for /vr/, which is why these discussions pop up repeatedly. You don't see as many threads argueing for the inclusion of XBox, PS2 or GCN. It's just hard to understand why it's excluded, and saying "that's the rules" is a bit too dogmatic for many people to accept.

The 10 year period was covered a bit earlier in the thread, and "because I say so" is a strawman, as the goal of these threads is not a dictatorship or mob rule, but to establish a consensus. After all, the rules were originally established via consensus, the board's kind of self-governing in that regard. Sadly enough, dogmatic "because the rules say so" responses do not help to establish that consensus, because they are not very convincing to people that don't understand the rules. Understanding used here in the sense of understanding the motivation or reasoning, not the content.

>>/vr/?task=search2&ghost=yes&search_text=dreamcast&search_subject=&search_username=&search_tripcode=&search_email=&search_filename=&search_datefrom=&search_dateto=&search_op=op&search_del=yes&search_int=dontcare&search_ord=new&search_capcode=all&search_res=post

I would like to take this opportunity and bring attention to the mods / janitors that are surely reading through this thread and letting them know that someone in your team is retarded enough to not know the board rules.

Why do mods/janitors keep deleting dreamcast threads? Have they not read the sticky on the front page?
Here let me link you to it: >>1392415
And let me quote you the relevant part:
> the Sega Dreamcast will now be considered "retro"

I am genuinely perplexed why does this continue to happen, I would love some sort of explanation but I'm sure that will never happen. I wish there was a better way to contact the moderation team, as this is an issue that's been going on from start and still continues to happen, see the link I pasted on top, those are all deleted threads (yes some of them are warranted deletions but most aren't).

>>2892814

what?

>>2892817

I just think that we won't reach any consensus, whether we allow GBA or not, there will be people bitching. Damned if you do and damned if you don't.
As I said I'm not against GBA, but if we allow GBA, it will be the flooding gates for PS2/GC/Xbox begging, and then eventually Wii/PS3/Xbox 360 and before you know it, there will be people wanting to discuss 8th gen on /vr/ when the next batch of consoles upgrades release.
I believe it's against the spirit of this board, which is meant to discuss video games from a different era, regardless of our individual childhood memories within video game generations.

>>2892828
a slippery slope is exactly what you are doing in the very same fucking post:
>if we allow GBA, it will be the flooding gates for PS2/GC/Xbox begging, and then eventually Wii/PS3/Xbox 360 and before you know it, there will be people wanting to discuss 8th gen on /vr/ when the next batch of consoles upgrades release.

put on your big boy hat next time you think you have a point to bring to the table. this is a waste of time.

>>2892828
how old are you even, son.