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He's Rauru

He's a Sage reincarnated as an owl for the express purpose of helping the Hero of Time when he's finally born. The other prevailing theory is that he's simply Rauru in owl form.

I hold with the former.

Sometimes a talking owl is just a talking owl.

>>2882737

There's that too. :/

>>2882725

I've always figured he's Rauru. You meet all of the other sages as a kid and they kind of resemble each other.

>>2882725

He's Mr. Owl. Why don't you ask him how many licks it takes to get to the center of a tootsie pop?

>>2882782
4chans ruined me

>>2882735
He's a 3D model rigged and animated by a tired Asian.

He shows up a couple of times, and the text box is filled with information regarding where to go next.

>>2882735
>The other prevailing theory is that he's simply Rauru in owl form.

There are people who don't think this? The owl disappears when you become an adult, and they look practically the same

The Zelda wiki even says right off the bat
>Rauru, also known as Kaepora Gaebora when in his owl form

>>2882735
>The other prevailing theory is that he's simply Rauru in owl form.

Wasn't this confirmed to be true?

>>2883652
>zelda wiki
>taken as fact

I suppose there's kind of a similarity. The nose and beak, the angry eyebrows, same colored eyes.

>They say that the owl named Kaepora Gaebora is the reincarnation of an ancient Sage.

Gossip Stone in-game

>>2883652

The owl appears one last time during the end of the child section of the Spirit Temple, thus casting some doubt on the "owl is Rauru" theory.

>>2883639

>>2882725
Kaepora Gaebora is actually the Link from Skyward Sword reincarnated as an owl to help the next Link defeat Ganon.

>>2882725
He's Rauru. Hyrule Historia confirms.

Isn't he Zelda's father? He was the headmaster guy at the school

>zeldas father
>rauru

Seems like that stuff is made up after OoT was released. Seems like all knowing guide for gameplay that has no real role in the story.

So, what's the backstory behind THIS owl?

aaand this has descended into zelda plot faggotry. time to pack this thread up

>>2884257
You can just hide the thread if you want.

>>2884252
a personification of link's mind, like everything else in LA

>>2884128
Not only that but that big ol' Zelda History book or whatever its called flat out states that Kaepora Gaepora is Rauru

>>2882725
He travels from land to land, terrorizing the denizens and depleting their supply of lollipops, before moving on to the next place.

>>2884132
Rauru is standing around doing absolutely nothing but waiting in the sacred realm throughout the whole game past Link's child years, I'm sure he'd be able to show off his owl form on one extra occasion.

What's the actual problem with him showing up during the Spirit Temple events anyway? That's still in the past where he was able to appear whenever he wanted.

>>2882725
He's supposedly Ganondorf in disguise, and that's why Ganondorf immediately knows you open up the temple of time.

>>2882725
So if the owl is Rauru, why does the owl show up again in Majora's Mask, which takes place in Termina where the sages don't exist?

A---ONE
A---TWOOOO
A---THREEEEEE

>>2885963
He flew

>>2885963
The owl is in multiple games. Don't know if it the same one, different, related, or reincarnations like Link.

>>2885963

The same reason many of the other characters from OoT reappear in Majora's Mask, albeit with different names.

>>2885982
Termina's in a different dimension m8.

>>2886021
The devs intentionally left out the sages, so they must've known. If there's no Rauru in Termina, there can be no owl.

WHO IS THE OWL, REALLY?!

>>2885978
>a-ONE
>a-TUH-HOOOOOOOOOOOO
>a-THREE

>>2885338
Link's Awakening doesn't take place withing Link's dream, it takes place within the Wind Fish's dream. Link was pulled into it.

>>2886049
This guy got it right

>>2884018
only in a retcon a million years after the game came out

>>2882782
He's not Mr. Owl. His name is Kaepora Gaebora

>>2888106
more like kaepora GAYbora

WREKT HAHAHAHA

>>2888108
Don't think he has a canon sexuality. Could be gay like Dumbledore.

He appears a couple times when you're an adult, but he never talks to you, just flies around in a couple cutscenes.

>>2882782
>>2885618
>>2885978
>>2886049
Yes we all remember that goddamn fucking commercial you guys, now shut the fuck up

>>2883652
>The Zelda wiki even says right off the bat

>>2886030
Lulu=adult Ruto

>>2886030
Also Darmani might count as Termina version of Darunia, maybe

>>2884223
For real? I though it was only a theory

does this also mean that there is some connection to Rauru, the owl and pic related

>>2888927
the even look alike

>>2882737
Wise words...

Why didn't the owls fly Link to Ganondorf's castle?

>>2889075
He needed the medallions/freeing the sages to seal Ganon away. Rainbow light bridge aside.

>>2889085
Why didnt they fly him to those places?

>>2889104
>>2889075

I'm actually going to give answering these questions seriously a shot.

Adult Link never got in contact with the owl and I suppose Rauru never inclined to fly him places because it hardly seemed necessary when Sheik was giving him teleport songs and Link had a horse. Perhaps Rauru also feared that flying Link through the sky would tip off Ganondorf to Link's whereabouts and shenanigans (Ganondorf, however, is pretty much always aware of you general whereabouts and shenanigans anyway).

He didn't fly Kid Link places because Kid Link wasn't even supposed to go into dungeons. Kid Link was supposed to use ROYAL INFLUENCE to get precious stones. I mean, he could offer you a lift, which he does sometimes, but you don't actually need a lift. Its kinda not particularly important.

MY question is why didn't Ganon trap Link in a grape popsicle like Zelda?

>>2889075
most of the temple entrances aren't even hidden, except maybe for the spirit one

>>2888116
it's that time of the month again it seems :^)

>>2889026

Well, would you look at that!
/thread

>>2882725
hes the cuck of the zelda games 2bh. he likes to watch

>>2890175
kek

>>2885963
Rushed history

>>2889553
Who is this "They"?

>>2882725
>So, what's the backstory behind this owl?

First time appeared in Link's Awakening.

He is simply a game function giving directions. In A Link to the Past you had the telepathic stones to talk to the Elder. This is just an adaption to the dream world that survived to later titles.

>>2891448

This, in other words:

>>2889026

>>2884052
No, there's not. There's absolute zero similarity between those two pictures. Gaepora on the other hand...
>Looks like him.
>Has his name.
>Ends his speeches with "hoo hoot."
>Is wise beyond his years on all this pertaining to Hyrulean history.
>Is the first one you meet before you set out on your adventure to find Zelda, ala OoT.
Also this >>2885963
and this >>2884252
>>2884263

Few instances exist in video game lore where one can be as wrong as if they believe that Rauru is the owl.

>"They say the owl, Kaepora Gaebora, is a reincarnation of an ancient sage."
>"They say that contrary to his big and heavy appearance, Kaepora Gaebora is rather light-hearted!
>Hey, what's up, Link? Surprised to see me? A long time in this world is
almost nothing to you, is it? How mysterious! Even I thought that the tales of a boy who could travel back and forth through time was merely a legend. Link, you have fully matured as an adult. From now on, the future of all the people in Hyrule is on your shoulders. Maybe it's not my time anymore. Here is my last advice. Two witches inhabit this temple. In order to destroy them, turn their own magic power against them. Hoo hoot!

The last one was intended to be told to Link as an adult before change in the programming. Why would he say it's not his time anymore if he's Rauru who tells you he lived ages when the Temple of Time was built? Because he's Gaepora reincarnated and is still around. Also he flies through Gerudo Valley in the end, while all the other Sages except Rauru who has already passed on, are on Death Mountain.

>>2891497
DEEPEST
LORE

>>2891497
Well, Hyrule Historia proves you wrong. Kaepora is Rauru. End of story.

>>2891523
>Hyrule Historia
>proves
Lol. It's a load of crock in paper form.

>>2891523
>citing HH as a source
Oh anon, you joker.

>>2889026
Well that just proves Rauru isn't the owl.

Reincarnation != transformation

>>2891554
Yes, we just established this fact through this entire thread. Some people continue to think otherwise, but you can't help the ignorant.

It's just a shame that we have nothing else to talk about now.

It is heavily hinted that Kaepora Gaebora is the reincarnation of Rauru, just like it's heavily hinted that Deku Link is the reincarnation of the Deku Butler's son in Majora's Mask. They're not fact, so you can deny these theories, but then why would you be in this thread in the first place

>>2891590
Care to cite this compelling evidence that Rauru is the owl?

Oh, that's right there is none. Stop trying to wash bullshit with truth.

Deku Link's origin is obvious because of the ending. It's not a theory. It's a fact the heavy-handedly implies they're one. OoT meanwhile contradicts any notion that Rauru could be the owl no matter where you point.

Either accept it, or don't. But stop trying to convince people to buy some fan-fic from a non-canon fanbook.

>other npc: did you get that? Yes or No?
>the fucking owl: did you get that? No or Yes?
Fuck you owl. This is the same kinda of bullshit when saving on DQ8.

>people hate HH
What the fuck? I'm a huge Zelda fan, I always thought HH was pretty neat and didn't even think anything about them mentioning Kaepora is Rauru or the Hero's Shade is the Hero of Time. Well, the latter I had already assumed while playing Twilight Princess.

>>2891679
Hero of Time isn't Hero's Shade either.

It's a farce.

>>2891679

Hyrule Historia is very neat. But its timeline is godawful bullshit. I simply take it as what it was intended to be- a celebration of the Zelda franchise.

Besides, my personal headcanon timeline makes more sense.

>>2891609
>Care to cite this compelling evidence
Hyrule Historia.

>>2891693
There's no timeline that makes more sense than the one where the "Hero Dies" timeline is just an alternate universe, and the rest of the games are laid out exactly as it is in Hyrule Historia.

>>2891609
>>2889026

>>2891698
eh, Minish Cap and both Four Swords games feel kinda out of place on the timeline

>>2891698

The "Hero Dies" timeline is arbitrary horseshit of the highest order. My headcanon is better in every way.

>>2882725
They wanted to punish kids who don't pay attention.

>>2891686
Thank you for giving me absolutely no reason to agree with you other than 'I said so.'

guys

GUYS

what if

you ready for this?

what if

Rauru IS Kaepora Gaebora

because

this is it

because

Rauru's a DESCENDANT OF GAEPORA

>>2888124
Zoras are anatomically different in Termina. They reproduce through eggs, while zora in Hyrule give mammalian birth. They also live in seawater, while Hyrulean zoras live in fresh.

They also shoot razors out of their arms and produce electric fields. In fact all races in Termina are superior. In Hyrule Deku's travel underground. In Termina they fly. In Hyrule gorons aren't that strong. In Termina they're strong enough to produce small earthquakes by bodyslamming the ground. They also produce via ambiogensis. In Hyrule it's unknown but it's likely there are females in a sheltered location as Zelda has Grecian influences, and they could be like Spartans or Toklien dwarfs.

Ergo, Lulu is not Ruto, but a Zora who looks like her.

>>2891724

Sorry, I don't recognize any Zelda game after Spirit Tracks.

>>2891731
>Hyrulean
Lol, look at this underage here.

>>2891731
>while zora in Hyrule give mammalian birth
>They also produce via ambiogensis
Yeah, I'd like to see a source for that

>>2891693
In my opinion I don't follow any sort of shitty timeline; I just follow the games as what's implied in the franchise's title, as "legends".

>>2891707
>Shade is the same height as Ganondorf who is 7'6".
>There's only one Hero's Spirit and it's TP Link. How can Link be both people?
>Hero's Shade says his techniques are "passed on down Link's bloodline," and is looking for a protege. OoT Link is self-taught, and presumably taught his techniques to the bloodline that later bore Hero's Shade. Else he would not be looking for a protege.
>Hero's Shade's spirit is separated throughout Hyrule in modern gossip stones. This is notable because the gossip stones are Sheikah relics and only a wolf would be able to listen and howl the tune. TP Link is a wolf who wears earrings in TP. A symbol of the Sheikah, which is why the Twili are waiting for their hero in a "blue-eyed beast."
>Conversely, OoT has no lupine relationship. If he did then he could have been the Sacred Beast himself. Which from a narrative standpoint is asinine because the Twili were sealed ages ago, and aren't going to be playing roulette all day hoping this hero is the one. TP Link was the first wolf Link.
>Hero's Shade refers to your garb as being worn by the hero in third-person.
>Hero's Shade admits to Link that he accepted the role of the hero. Meaning he inherited it form someone else.
>Hero's Shade's NAME tells you he's not the hero. A shade, as in, something that follows in the footsteps or shadow of the original.
>Lastly he never mentions Ganondorf or that you're finishing the business he could not, or anything like that, because he never met Ganondorf. I can see what they were going for with a simple Master - Pupil relationship. It doesn't involve inheriting anything deeper than that.

Those are just the reasons why he's NOT the Shade. There's other reasons as savvy anons might cite about who he is.If you want me to list out the reasons why Hyrule Historia is bullshit, I will gladly oblige that too but none is more telling than the fact that it contradicts itself on another page and says that it's a "theory."

>>2882725
REEEEEEEEE

NOT RETROOOOOOOOO

>>2891739
Hyrulean = Races or objects that derive from the country of Hyrule.
Hylian = The gifted race of the gods who worshipped Hylia.

>>2891743
Ruto gives Link the Zora's Sapphire telling him her mother told her to give it to the man she would marry. She then asks Link not to tell her father, because she knows exactly what it means. I.e. they're engaged, and she doesn't want her dad to know.

The goron elder in MM has a mound for a back and just had a baby son. How? Because it budded off his back. In OoT, Darunia has a seven-year old or so son and was supposed to say "If I ever have a son I'm going to name him after you" in unused text found on the ROM. How would he not know if he'll have a son or not? Because unlike Termina's they produce sexually and his woman goron is probably in a cave in some motherland mountain.

>>2891780
>Zelda fags need to have all the games be connected
>Zelda fags make up this fanfiction tier bullshit

So glad I dropped the series like a bad habit.

>>2891792
I doubt inter-species breeding works in Zelda. But then he just as easily jack off over a pile of eggs like fish do.

>>2891810
Protip: no-one cares.

>>2891780
>Shade is the same height as Ganondorf who is 7'6".
People continue getting taller after 17, which is how old Adult Link in OoT is
>There's only one Hero's Spirit and it's TP Link. How can Link be both people?
While TP Link is the reincarnation of the Hero and bears the Triforce of Courage, there's no rule saying a previous owner can't hang around as a Shade
>Hero's Shade says his techniques are "passed on down Link's bloodline," and is looking for a protege. OoT Link is self-taught, and presumably taught his techniques to the bloodline that later bore Hero's Shade. Else he would not be looking for a protege.
OoT Link learned to fight with a sword by reading signs in the Kokiri Forest
>Hero's Shade says his techniques are "passed on down Link's bloodline," and is looking for a protege. OoT Link is self-taught, and presumably taught his techniques to the bloodline that later bore Hero's Shade. Else he would not be looking for a protege.
Yeah
>Conversely, OoT has no lupine relationship. If he did then he could have been the Sacred Beast himself. Which from a narrative standpoint is asinine because the Twili were sealed ages ago, and aren't going to be playing roulette all day hoping this hero is the one. TP Link was the first wolf Link.
The golden wolf is most likely the astral projection of any reincarnation of the Hero
>Hero's Shade refers to your garb as being worn by the hero in third-person.
People are allowed to talk about themselves in the third person, especially if the Shade was formerly, but no longer, the Hero
>Hero's Shade admits to Link that he accepted the role of the hero. Meaning he inherited it form someone else.
He accepted the role from the Great Deku Tree.
>Hero's Shade's NAME tells you he's not the hero. A shade, as in, something that follows in the footsteps or shadow of the original.
Yeah, because he's dead.
>Lastly he never mentions Ganondorf... (had to shorten for character limit)
Well that would spoil the 'twist'

>>2891932
Imagine the text:
>Hero's Shade's spirit is separated throughout Hyrule in modern gossip stones. This is notable because the gossip stones are Sheikah relics and only a wolf would be able to listen and howl the tune. TP Link is a wolf who wears earrings in TP. A symbol of the Sheikah, which is why the Twili are waiting for their hero in a "blue-eyed beast."
is in the place of the accidental second paste of:
>Hero's Shade says his techniques are "passed on down Link's bloodline," and is looking for a protege. OoT Link is self-taught, and presumably taught his techniques to the bloodline that later bore Hero's Shade. Else he would not be looking for a protege.

>>2891932
>OoT Link is going too grow 2 and a half feet?
>Skyward Sword mentions only one incarnation (one UNBREAKABLE Hero's Spirit), including Ganondorf's beta speech. "Whenever there is one who wields the power.of the gods, necessarily one will arise to defy him..."
>signs taught OoT Link how to do what "he" taught TP Link? What does that have to do with a bloodline if he learned them from a sign? Did you not pay attention? He can't teach his bloodline what he was never taught himself and say those words.
>
>fan-fiction that contradicts my logic for the sake of being stupid and raises more questions.
>Link talking, much less to respect himself so little as to do it in third-person, while all of Hyrule venerates him and Renado says countless tales of him are told? What an affront to himself and the person he's trying to make someone like. Oh yeah because he's not that person.
>Deku Tree was a hero of Hyrule and passed his role to Link?
>Non-sequitor. Your response makes no sense.
>You already know about Ganondorf, who was confirmed from before the game was out as being behind Zant.

I know you're probably OP trying to desperately keep his thread alive, but I'm not going to debate with someone being an idiot and not providing responses we both know are bullshit.

>>2892090
>OoT Link is going too grow 2 and a half feet?
It's a fantasy game
>Skyward Sword mentions only one incarnation (one UNBREAKABLE Hero's Spirit), including Ganondorf's beta speech. "Whenever there is one who wields the power.of the gods, necessarily one will arise to defy him..."
Again, doesn't claim a former hero can communicate with the current one as a Shade (a la Avatars in the Last Airbender series)
>signs taught OoT Link how to do what "he" taught TP Link? What does that have to do with a bloodline if he learned them from a sign? Did you not pay attention? He can't teach his bloodline what he was never taught himself and say those words.
The moves that the Hero's Shade teaches Link had to have been developed between OoT and TP, and games could have taken place between the two, resulting in the "bloodline" passage
>>
>fan-fiction that contradicts my logic for the sake of being stupid and raises more questions.
Link turns into a wolf just because he bears the Triforce of Courage, and his happened to be blue-eyed. Based on this alone, it isn't far fetched to assume the ToC is somehow connected to wolves.
>Link talking, much less to respect himself so little as to do it in third-person, while all of Hyrule venerates him and Renado says countless tales of him are told? What an affront to himself and the person he's trying to make someone like. Oh yeah because he's not that person.
and
>Non-sequitor. Your response makes no sense.
The Hero's Shade is the FALLEN Hero. A Merriam-Webster definition of the word shade: " a disembodied spirit; ghost." & "a facial expression of sadness or displeasure." All of the other definitions relate to color and light. The Hero's Shade is the sad soul of the Hero of Time who remained after his death to teach TP Link. They wouldn't refer to him as a Shade (as opposed to a spirit, etc.) unless he was filled with sorrow or regret, possibly relating to Majora's Mask. He no longer views himself as nor is the Hero of Time... (cont.)

>>2892141
...and as such refers to it in the third person.
>Deku Tree was a hero of Hyrule and passed his role to Link?
and
>Hero's Shade admits to Link that he accepted the role of the hero. Meaning he inherited it form someone else.
Accepting the role of the Hero doesn't imply in any way that it needed to be accepted from a previous incarnation. At no point in the entire series is this ever implied.

>
I know you're probably OP trying to desperately keep his thread alive, but I'm not going to debate with someone being an idiot and not providing responses we both know are bullshit.
I'm not OP, I'm just someone discussing the lore of one of my favorite series. Debating with me is exactly what you're doing.

>>2892141
Also before you shit on me for saying 'It's a fantasy game,' I just want to make a few things clear: Art style changes heavily between Zelda games, as do proportions of characters. This along with the fact that we don't know exactly how Hylians grow or how being a ghost might affect size works makes the Hero's Shade being the former Hero of Time completely plausible.

>>2882725
He's a dick that says "no" first instead of "yes."

>>2892147
>Accepting the role of the Hero doesn't imply in any way that it needed to be accepted from a previous incarnation.
It wasn't a thing before OoT. The full context is, "Although I accepted life as the hero, I could not convey the lessons of that life to those who came after. At last I have eased those regrets." Actually though and I'm not just saying this because remembered life as "role," TP is the worst translated game in Nintendo history so I'm going to let you have this one. But it still doesn't mean you're right.
I'm not responding to the rest because it's just prancing around semantics, none of which are in your favor. Occam's Razor applies.

>>2892235
>Although I accepted life as the hero, I could not convey the lessons of that life to those who came after. At last I have eased those regrets.
The phrasing "life as a hero" further points to him no longer being the bearer of the ToC.

>I'm not responding to the rest because it's just prancing around semantics, none of which are in your favor.
I'd argue against that, but I can't because you won't actually give me something to argue against other than "because I said so." You could explain yourself and help me understand, or you can just keep being a pretentious asshat.

>Occam's Razor applies.
Both hypotheses are full of assumptions.

>>2892235
>>2892248
Oh I forgot

>TP is the worst translated game in Nintendo history
[citation needed]

>>2892248
>The phrasing "life as a hero" further points to him no longer being the bearer of the ToC.
Actually in researching the answer to this, I've found that the JP version supports you even less.
>However, those are inherited only by blood relatives of the hero who possesses the spirit of the sublime beast.
>The special techniques [...] have entered the realm of secret techniques.
In the JP, the Hero's Shade doesn't mention that he is part of Link's bloodline. It was all made up by NoA, just like the king Midna mentions at the end and the "Dark Interlopers" name.

Also, you literally pulled out the dictionary, and give what amount to one or two word answers to my evidence to defend a fan-fic so you can continue to delude more people into believing some book you worship for unknown sentimental reasons and can't accept it's wrong, even though you clearly aren't well-invested in the series or you would have called me out on that quote earlier. If that isn't the epitome of pretentious I don't know what is.
>subjective fantasy! Why are you even arguing then? Clearly nothing can be proven in your post-modern view of the world, so there's no sense in pursing this argument any further. There's no truth for you no matter what I say because you've already made up your mind.
>Avatar!
>in-between bloodline development (as we've established this no longer matters but what you're saying makes no sense even to the NoA version)
>wolf because courage! Hurr durr blue-eyes doesn't indicate anything "because I said so."
>I see what you're saying with the dictionary, but it still doesn't indicate why they called him a shade rather than a spectre or spirit in Japanese paraphernalia. Merriam-Webster doesn't apply to Japanese definitions or terms either. And double intendres abound in Zelda. "Kokiri" is a double pun on Kikori meaning "lumberjack" and kokoro meaning "pure of heart." Semantics.

I'm referring Occam's Razor to your litany of excuses (like Avatar).

>>2893365
Look up "Hero's Shade"
http://forums.legendsalliance.com/topic/17108-list-of-japanese-translations/

>>2891497
Gaepora, Kaepora, and Rauru are all the same
>Gaepora is Kaepora based on what anon said
>Rauru is Kaepora becuase of hints in the game and Hyrule Historia
Hyrule Historian is cannon accept it.
>Gaepora looks identical to Rauru with the beard, the robes, the personality, ect. It's also implied that Rauru was around prior to OoT.

>>2893365
Actually never-mind. It's still saying the same thing even in Japanese, just in a different way so I take back the beginning about supporting you even less and the "established this no longer matters" because it does. So you still have to prove what you mean by they were developed in-between bloodlines.

According to you:
Nobody -- OoT Link -- some other descendants teach the dead OoT Link --- OoT Link teaches TP Link: "ways which do no leave our bloodline!"
rather than
Nobody -- OoT Link -- ? --- Hero's Shade born --- Shade teaches TP Link: "ways which do not leave our bloodline!"

>>2893409
>Hyrule Historia is cannon
Yes, a cannon of non-canon confetti!

Gaepora was around prior to OoT. He tells you he is from an ancient generation who built the Temple of Time ages ago. Everything else you said is bupkis and you're using HH to defend HH even though it contradicts OoT.

OoT doesn't need a supplemental book to tell its story. It's self-contained, stand-alone. Do you understand what those terms mean?

Hey! I'm talking to you.

Do you understand what "stand-alone" means in this context? It means case closed on any and all interpretable matters. The game has no less than 6 contradictions that Rauru is Kaepora. Not including the fact he never mentions this himself. Let me list them out for you.
>the reincarnation line.
>his light-hearted line. Rauru is solemn and inexpressive. The stone refers to Kaepora's "strange" physical appearance, not his attitude.
>He didn't think that the Master Sword could actually time-travel. (That's just one tip off out of several in his last dialogue with Link)
>He's in the ending cutscene while Rauru is in the Chamber of Sages.
>He helps Link get the Spiritual Stones that opened the way for Ganondorf to invade the Sacred Realm, yet doesn't acknowledge he played a part. "Though you opened the way in the name of peace..."
And concept art in TP confirms that Rauru is the white sage in TP but he doesn't ever transform.

>>2893409
>Hyrule Historia is cannon
Yes, a cannon of non-canon confetti!

Rauru was around prior to OoT. He tells you he is from an ancient generation who built the Temple of Time ages ago. Everything else you said is bupkis and you're using HH to defend HH even though as I'm about to establish for you again, it contradicts OoT. OoT doesn't need a supplementary book to tell its story. It's self-contained, stand-alone. Do you understand what those terms mean?

Hey! I'm talking to you.

Do you understand what "stand-alone" means in this context? It means case closed on any and all interpretable matters. The game has no less than 5 contradictions that Rauru is Kaepora. Not including the fact he never mentions this himself. Let me list them out for you.
>the reincarnation line.
>his light-hearted line. Rauru is solemn and inexpressive. The stone refers to Kaepora's "strange" physical appearance, not his attitude.
>He didn't think that the Master Sword could actually time-travel. (That's just one tip off out of several in his last dialogue with Link)
>He's in the ending cutscene while Rauru is in the Chamber of Sages.
>He helps Link get the Spiritual Stones that opened the way for Ganondorf to invade the Sacred Realm, yet doesn't acknowledge he played a part. "Though you opened the way in the name of peace..."

And concept art in TP confirms that Rauru is the white sage in TP but he doesn't ever transform. That's two games that give the bird to Hyrule Historia (pun intentional) on this topic.

>>2889272
>(Ganondorf, however, is pretty much always aware of you general whereabouts and shenanigans anyway).

Because Ganondorf is the owl.

>>2893490
That's more plausible than Rauru being him.
>helps Link get the stones, but stops helping once he has the Triforce of Power because he instead spends his time scouting the land for the Triforce bearers (remember, Ganondorf even says he never believed that Link and Zelda could be them until Zelda used it to uncloak. They were just some rugrats running around causing trouble while he had bigger things to deal with).
>watches Link learn the Requiem of Spirit as an adult at the Desert Colossus. The ONLY time he appears.
>watches Link learn Epona's Song. The horse he coveted over his own.
>After Ganondorf gives his "CURSE YOU SAGES" speech, he appears flying over Gerudo Valley. (What did the developer mean by this?)

>>2893503
>>2893490
Also, he tells Link how to defeat Twinrova, his surrogate mothers. Ganondorf is the only person who could possibly know this.

>>2893490
Still doesn't make sense because of this point:
>>2885963

There's no Ganon in Termina, so it's safe to assume he can't also be the owl there.

I've seen posts in this thread that imply that the posters think that a single shred of Skyward Sword, let alone Gaebora himself, had been thought of back when Ocarina was made.

That's just silly.

>>2893516
>Ganondorf is the only person who could possibly know this.
Right, because he was the only person who could conceivably keep remote tabs on someone. Mhm, mhm.

>>2894991
But but, MUH HYRULE HISTORIA

>>2894991
Zelda's father is "Gaepora" and it was. There's a dozen homages to future games in OoT. Including Kaepora telling you that he believed that the legends of a time-traveling boy were just that, legends. Where would he hear this from? His son-in-law of course who was that boy.

Also, the fact that there's controversy about this because the "director" only supports it was all pre-planned by a different storywriter. Not thay Aonuma wrote a scrap of OoT, but what I mean is there was Zelda council once established to protect the series' mythos, and things like this confirm Aonuma was not a part of it.

>>2895250
>>2894991
Also, this is how they came up with his name.

>Link's Awakening owl.
>"Hey, let's bring back this character we all like so much, but give him a secret backstory that fits his elusive image."
>"How about we make him a former King of Hyrule that's still watching over his kingdom even after death?"
>"Yeah that's good! A king needs a fitting name though what can we use? Keep in mind he's royalty so he also needs a last and middle name."
>"Well since he's an owl, how about something that sounds the same if you read it upside-down?"
>"Kaepora Gaebora Hyrule"

>>2895250

Wut.

I just ignore everything after Spirit Tracks and anything that has no single-player (ie no GBA Four Swords), as well as the Philips CD-i ones.

>>2895250
Also, here's how they came up with the name.
>Link's Awakening owl.
>"Hey, let's bring back this character we all like so much, but give him a secret backstory that fits his elusive image."
>"How about we make him a former King of Hyrule that's still watching over his kingdom even after death?"
>"Yeah that's good! A king needs a fitting name though what can we use? Keep in mind he's royalty so he also needs a last and middle name. It also needs to be something strange that evokes a sense of an age gone by."
>"Well since he's an owl, how about something that sounds the same if you read it upside-down?"
>"Kaepora Gaebora Hyrule"

>>2895459
>Spirit Tracks is the worst Zelda, but chooses to ignore games after it too.

SS and ALBW are by no means prizes, but it's only your fault if you choose to not observe ongoing story details for games after it. ST and TH are the only Zelda games I don't consider canon.

>>2895250
>Including Kaepora telling you that he believed that the legends of a time-traveling boy were just that, legends
He was obviously referring to the current incarnation of Link being just a rumor/legend. Not SS' Link, who couldn't travel through time.

Continue grasping at straws, lorefags. The Zelda games are NOT linked by a timeline.

>>2895479
>Continue grasping at straws, lorefags. The Zelda games are NOT linked by a timeline.
Agreed. This thread is the equivalent of George Lucas pulling the "complete" Star Wars mythos out of his ass and swearing up and down that he had it perfectly planned out all along, except that with the case of Zelda, it's the devs making shit up just to get a break from the fanboys, who now point at the HH and scream "SEE?! IT WAS PLANNED ALL ALONG!"

>>2895496
>>2895479
Heyoooo! Gimme five!

O/
This is for you >>2895520

>>2895250

Zelda's father was Daphnes Nohansen Hyrule

>>2895668
Only in TWW.

>>2895713

>Pictured: Not Daphnes

>>2895749
Could that be because he has his own portrait right next to that one, you think?

>>2895770

The point I'm making is, if the person believes Hyrule Historia timeline bullshit, then they can't logically say that Zelda's father was named Gaebora.

There is no chance that Daphnes is the father of Ocarina of Time Zelda, as "generations pass", a fact that I had forgotten about when I made my claim. But the Daphnes in WW is still from the old Hyrule, and is more likely to share a name with the OoT king than for the OoT king to be named Gaebora, which has no basis in fact at all.

>>2895838
Nobody is saying Gaepora is OoT Zelda's father. He's SS Zelda's, who died ages ago and became Kaepora Gaebora.

Gaepora Hyrule (first king) ---- Gustaf ---- Daltus --- unnamed OoT king --- Daphnes

There isn't rally a correlation in the names either except that both Gaepora's and Gustaf's names start with G, and the Kings after Hyrule Kingdom is re-founded start with D. The re-founded notion is important because the big twist in The Minish Cap was that the Light Force is Princess Zelda.

But anyways, thanks for making me realize that connection in the letters. I had deleted this, but here's my theory on how they came up with the name. Just for you anon.

>>2895859
A king is not a sage. Once again, Rauru is the owl, if the devs had really intended him to be anything more than a tutorial bird.

How is there any confusion to this? I always thought the game made it pretty clear in the game that the owl was Rauru.

Same Owl, but older.

>>2895880
The King is the leader of the Sages. Keep trying.

>>2895957
>I conveniently forget how many sages there are in the lore when I try to defend another part of the lore
The post.

>>2895967
How little do you know about Zelda? There are, not overlapping, at least 10 Sages in canon. The seventh of which is also the leader of them all.

>>2896023
>The seventh of which is also the leader of them all.
And who's not the King.

>>2896059
Semantics.

Leader of the sages is a sage. It is also a King.
Therefore the King is a sage.

You're not going to win this one so let's just agree to disagree. It'll be better for both our healths.

>>2896023
>>2896126
http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Sage
Point out which part is wrong. Show us where the "at least" ten sages fit in. Give us names and games.

>>2896174
Why? There only needs to be a minimum of seven to disprove the notion that Rauru is the owl. Actually, only 6, because the fact is Rauru is dead and as OoT established you must be dead to ascend unless you're Zelda or heir to Sages.

ALBW has 8 and TWW has the two special sages. I say at least because Link might be a sage too, since the Wind Waker is a sage's item (Fado says the king conducted them with it and that they served him). And there's also one more complicated sage through lineage reasons involving Zelda's band, the Resistance, and a new child introduced in SS who became a sage in ALBW.

And Lana is Seles' counterpart, yet comes from the personality of another of person.

I figured it was miyamotos self insert
Making sure you are well aware of what's going on
And he switched the yes and no answers around like a grandfather would do to make sure you're paying attention

>>2884134
It's true though.


I hope you get raped to death. Raped. Until your body goes into shock and you die, and your body releases DMT during the instant of death and you vividly hallucinate.

And I hope my post echoes in your soul, raped until death, raped until death, raped until death.

Just, think about it.

Raped until death.

Also I'm drunk so no matter your response I don't care but I will call you a cunt if you reply. Let's make this good. Try hard.

Raped

Until

Your

Chemical releasing

Death

No infinity, no darkness, no conciousness. Just you death.

>you mad

Teehee

>>2897383

>>2891530
>the book written by the very people who create the series is wrong
>a creator is wrong about their own story
Fucking kill yourself

>>2897394
I like you, you get to have a great life.

>>2897454
its not written by the same people you autist. and even if it was. TLoZ games have been worked on by a number of teams, each with their own vision of what Hyrule was and what had happeded in order to make their game possible. Thats why we have the split timeline in the firstplace. Even if they got every person who ever worked on one of the games to get together and sort through all the bullshit. It still would be a clusterfuck of conflicting opinions and differing accounts.

tl;dr- Even the people who made TLoZ would have difficulty have a hard time sorting through all this shit.

Alright alright, here is the REAL truth behind the Owl:

He has an Uncle Albert who had many things happen to him......

>>2897383
Drunk existentialist shitposting/10.

Can't say I don't approve. (polite sage)

Remember the time I roasted every single Hyrule Historia apologist in a single thread and left them without the wherewithal to reply back?

Oh yeah, that was this thread. And don't you forget it.