/vr/ - Retro Games

>>2874345

I'm probably in a minority, but my favorite ones were the ones where you can change classes, like three and five.

>>2874351
Uh you can change classes in Final Fantasy Dimensions too. But that's not retro... SO IT DOESN'T EXISTS!!!

>>2874345
I'll just rank what I played all the way through.

VII > X > VI > XII

Got to beat some more of course. Next few will most likely be FF VIII, IX and II (snes version so FFIV I guess).

I'm the only person in the whole world who genuinely thinks that VIII was the best.

My favorite is VI, followed by IX, mostly because of the story and the characters, since neither have the most complex gameplay out of the FF games. I've tried VII, VIII and IV, but they didn't appeal to me for various reasons.

>>2874358
Not retro, but XII >>>>>>> X.
Magiteck Star Wars beats shit tier island asian country mythos. X's only redeeming quality is that Tidus is slightly less annoying than Vaan.

OP, IX, Tactics, and IV. VII is alright.

>>2874420
>Not retro, but XII >>>>>>> X

Yeah, definitely. I don't understand why so many people take issue in twelve - it's way better than ten in terms of gameplay, story and everything.

Also:

FF6>FF8>FF7>FF9>FF5>FF3>FF2>FF4

Every Final Fantasy game was great (except for FF4). This order may change for me over time, as I often replay them (except for FF4).

>>2874345
F I N A L F A N T A S Y X
Love of my life.

Story: FFVI
Gameplay: FFV

Here is my top list:
1. FFX
2. FFX-2
3. FFVI
4. FFVIII
5. FFVII
6. FFIX
7. FFXII
8. FFXIII
The rest I haven't played yet, so I can't judge.

Mystic Quest

1. FFIV
2. FFVII
3. FFIX
4. FFX-2
5. FFXII
6. FFX
7. FFXI
8. FFVIII
9. FFV
10. FFIII
11. FFVI
12. FFI
13. FFII

6
9
7 & 10 tie for third

My Final Fantasy Rankings by Anonymous, age 26

1. V
2. VI
3. IV
4. VII
5. IX
6. I
7. XII
8. X
9. III
10. II
11. VIII

Out of the ones I've played so far:
VII > X > IX > VIII > X-2 > Crisis Core > XIII > Dirge of Cerberus

7 > 8 > 4 > 5 > 9 > 6 > 3 > 1 > 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H47ow4_Cmk0

I Loved It Tier
4, 6, 10, Dissidia Duodecim

I Really Liked It Tier
1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 8, 12, 13, Type 0

I Am Trying To Force Myself To Like It So That I Can Fit In With All The Cool Kids Tier
9

This Shit Sucks, I Am Not Giving This Another Try Tier
14, Mystic Quest

>>2874604
>10 worse than 2

>this thread again

Anyway the correct answer is 4, 6, and/or 9. Anons who say otherwise are memeing and shitposting.

>>2874452
>Every Final Fantasy game was great (except for FF4).

The dankest meme.

What I honestly want to know is how anyone can rate VIII over VII. I played them both for the first time earlier this year, and 8 felt like a step backwards from 7 in almost every regard; it's like they chose to focus on 7's absolute worst aspects with the sole exception being the graphics. At least when people say 9 is better I can (sort of) understand where they're coming from.

>>2874452
Look everyone, the average ff6 fag being a contrarian for the sake of it

>>2874641
there is no point in arguing over this trivial stuff as you may have seen everybody in this thread has different tastes and that is good and nice.

>>2874649
Isn't that the whole point of the thread though?

God tier
4 7 9
Good tier
10-2 10 5 12
Okay tier
3 8
Boring tier
1
FF2 tier
6 2

>>2874656
no useless arguing over the same things over and over again is really boring me to death. and im already dead.

>>2874656

>>2874656

FF7 is a masterpiece
FF6 is great

The rest have huge flaws

>>2874365

For towns, bestiary, world map, soundtrack, and summons it was the best.

Its weakness is its story.

>>2874715
10 beat it in both summons and soundtrack

>>2874716
Gotta disagree.

FF10 has a good soundtrack but FF8's just feels more tuned-in with the game

And the summons just don't look as good

>>2874716
crisis core had hands down the best summons
https://youtu.be/RxIz6Irfcpw

>>2874720
>the summons dont look as good
are you a meme? this is laughable. lol

My rankings for the retro series:

2 > 8 > 7 > 1 > 4 > 6 > 3 > 5 > 9

>lol FF2 sux cuz its different

You people are insufferable. No wonder there's so little innovation in the video game industry. They have to cater to idiots who can't be bothered to pick up a manual or deal with a learning curve.

>lol FF8 sux because junctions

The game makes more than one attempt to explain the system to you. It's not Square's fault that you either didn't pay attention or were too dense to process the information. My 16-year-old self had no difficulty understanding the game when it was released.

Perhaps more depressing, I think Square Japan's marketing team looks at games like this and totally misunderstands why people disliked them. "Oh, here we have this 30-year-old character Laguna, and angst teenage boys can't identify with a mature character like that. THAT must be why so many fans hate this game! Welp, better make sure all future protagonists are whiny, androgynous 15-year-old faggots!"

>>2874726
What a shame Crisis Core was otherwise atrocious both in gameplay and story.

>>2874728
But Squall is easily the best character in the whole game, literally everyone else is a hyperactive mouthbreathing retarded including the guy who threatens to tickle his gravely wounded comrades before hurling them off a cliff, maybe excluding his comrades themselves.

>>2874728
*tips*

>Want to replay FF10
>remember the celestial weapon minigames

Welp, I want to replay either 4, 7, 10 or 10-2, not sure what to do

>>2874693
"Everyone can cast every spell" is a huge flaw, anon.

>>2874728
>9 at the very end

Your memes are out of control, bro.

>No one ever likes my favorite

2 for life.

>>2874751
>playing JRPGs for the gameplay

>>2874779
>Playing FF6 for the story and forgetable music

>>2874779
>playing any game for the story

>>2874365
It's the only one I play. I still think it sucks though.

>>2874610
>forcing yourself to like 9

Oh Anon, you don't have to do that. We only want you to like it if it truly touched your heart, like it touched ours.

And yeah, 9 is my favorite.

FFIV. I say this partially due to it being the one I'm nostalgic for, but everything about it is beautiful to me.

>>2874452
>FF4 at the very bottom

How did your mom take the news that you were retarded?

>>2874649
Yeah but they're wrong. FF7 is waaay better.

I dunno what problem people keep finding with those games. When I was younger I had the most fun trying to break the battle systems and plowing through the game at my own pace because I liked the graphics and the music a lot. Each game had their own way to let you become powerful enough without much grinding. I remember the All materia trick in FF7 in particular, but the earlier games had the peninsulas and later ones had more elaborate combat mechanics which could be exploited right if you learned them well enough. The stories were really neat too. Love all the games besides 13 onwards, favorite is either 4 or 7.

>>2874732

I feel like you particularly mean this chicken-wuss.

>>2874641
desu, I liked the junction system. And I enjoyed the game a lot. I never beat 7 but I found the system more boring. I think all there was were some orbs.

>>2874837
I really want to but I just cannot connect to the story unlike every other Final Fantasy. I've done the previous games so many times that I find the references not quite pandering, but it doesn't play off nostalgia because I am almost always in the middle of an FF playthrough.

I am going to try to get through 9 one more time as it is the only one I haven't finished and this time I will finish it come hell or high water and I really want to like it this time.

>>2874895
You don't play 9 for the story. or any other game for that matter You play it for the fun characters and the ability/equipment system.

Reminder that FFVI and FFIX are the contrarian hipster's Final Fantasies.

The lack of love for tactics is appalling.

>>2874940
Disagree, FF9 has my favorite story in any game. It just felt so dynamic and alive.

I also played it for the first time when I was 12 though and it was my first mainline FF, so it sort of came at just the right time for me.

4 to 7 are the best

>>2874839

She probably was pretty easygoing about it (on account of being drunk at the time).

>>2874818
the only right way. if you are about gameplay then maybe you should reconsider your life choices because final fantasy is not about gameplay but about cinematic experience.
go play some nintendo game without fmvs if you are after gameplay.

>>2874840
You like sucking cock?

>>2874940
> You don't play 9 for the story. or any other game for that matter
>>> /nintendo/
>>> /n64/

VII, it's no contest.

IMO:
VII>VI>VIII>V>IX>IV.

I don't feel that the NES ones matter, but if they do:
III>I>II

>>2874773
You're not alone Anon.

>>2875031
>>2875036
>unironically playing games for the story

This is a shitty meme, perpetuated by people who haven't heard of books.

>>2875071
this is a squaresoft thread.
>>> /nintendo-n64/

>>2874959
I love 4, 7 and 9 though, in my experience the 6-fanbase seems to be the worst and always tries to take jabs at 7 or 4 calling them the worst

>>2875071
>hurr durr I only play games 4 PHUN

I don't know who's worse for gaming, you or the SJWs.

Godtier
IV, V, VII
Great tier
VI, IX
Good tier
XII, VIII, III
Mediocre tier
I, II
Bad tier
X

>>2875048
THIS man is the one and only I'd like to spend all my life with!

>>2874345
A minority here but
Terra>Butz/Bartz>FF1 >Cloud/Claude>Cecil>Firion/Firon
Some names are different depending on the version, I've seen a couple of variations

XII is numbah one, baybee!

Gambits > Materia > Ability Stones > Magicite >Job System > Junctions > FF2

>>2874452
XII mostly gets flack because of who made it really. Some get sour on how they can't get everything without a guide because of overt bullshit, but IX did the same thing with a really shitty official guide.

It's amazing considering the director switchup.

People who rank 2 so low haven't played it or are too stupid to realize despite the mechanics that might not make sense to everyone the characters and story or 2 were just so much more involved and in depth. Pretty sad when thats a famicom game and later games still can't do more with much more text or voices even.

>>2874345
>I wanted a thread that can make wars happen for weeks.
Don't you guys ever get tired of doing this for specifically our favorite FF?

People who rank 6 the highest and then putting either 4, 7 or 10 below 2 are some butthurt fanboys trying to bait

>>2875757
This thread was supposed to be a joke.
The other night there was a thread about JSRF. Everyone got super butt hurt saying it wasn't retro. The last comment was, "Fine I'll just make a thread about which final fantasy is the best, we haven't had one of those in 2 days."
And then this thread popped up.

>>2876052
If you wanted to talk about Future the correct sneaky way to go about it is to start a thread about JSR on Dreamcast and halfway through ask what /vr/ thinks about Future. But then again that's just me and I'm a non-confrontative bitch so do whatever you want.

>>2875703
the story and is boring, that's why people hate it.

>>2876052
Which is the best way to treat this board right now. Autistic rules for autistic children, it's just like a special needs school.

>>2874365
No anon, 8 is awesome. First ff so maybe that's why, but I love the story.

>All time favourite Tier
7, 9

>Fucking great Tier
1, 5, Type 0, Dissidia

>Guilty Pleasure Tier
LR, 13-2

>Good Tier
10, 10-2, 4

>>2874610
>I Am Trying To Force Myself To Like It So That I Can Fit In With All The Cool Kids Tier
6, 12

>Bad Tier
2, 3

>Online Tier
11, 14

>8 Tier
8

>>2876263
>12
>cool kids

Liking 12 is the exact opposite of "cool".

>>2876270
Everyone loves 12 these days buddy.

>>2876263
>8 tier

I keep telling people that if you approach 8 as a parody of JRPGs, like an intentionally bad B-movie, then it's a lot of fun.

>>2876276
I don't.

>>2876276
me neither. I like 8,6 and 10.

>>2876284
>>2876302
Don't get me wrong, I didn't like it either but you see a lot more love for it these days than you ever did back when it was released.

If they rereleased it, or the Zodiac Job version for the PS4 or something, I'd be inclined to give it another go.

>>2876310
yeah it gets more love, also from me because
>it came out. worst final fantasy ever.
>we thought it couldnt get worse
>then ffxiii came out
>and ffxiii-2
>and ffxiii-3
>now we value ffxii as a final fantasy because we released it was the last true final fantasy although the weakest in the series. i wanna play it too again.

>>2874345
12

>>2874345
Mainseries: V or VI

Actual: Tactics

>>2874353
dimensions was a weird cashgrabby game
it was okay, but didn't really get promoted or anything
felt like playing a mix of 3 and 5 with a really watered down story

>>2874452
>he rates 4 the lowest
this is the worst taste i have ever seen in my entire life
>>2874547
this is good taste

>>2874452
>Every Final Fantasy game was great (except for FF4)
Good taste, nostalgiafags need a reality check and play more SNES RPGs

IV, VI, V, IX, X, VII, VIII, XII, II, III, I

>people who legit don't think 6 or 7 is the best
I seriously just can't comprehend how, even if another FF was your first there's just no way the case could be made for any of others
There is clear and definitive line between those and the rest.
6 was the culmination of the sprite era FF where they put everything they learned/had into creating a masterpiece of art direction/music/graphics/gameplay/story/characters/villian, just everything. It lead fans of the series/genre to anticipate the next entry more than any other.
7 was practically single handedly responsible for bringing RPGs mainstream with it's incredible scale and "next level" feeling. It was basically the Star Wars of gaming where more than just the nerds started to pay attention and be captured by the epic nature of the production/plot/worldbuilding.

Other FFs are good, some are really good. But there's simply nothing that they can bring to the table that can compete with what 6/7 did. None have a better story, none have better realized characters or villians, none did anything else unique that overshadows them in any way.

>>2876516
I like 6 and 7 the most, but I can understand why some people would have favoritism towards the customization and "cozy-ness?" of the fifth one.

>>2876516
>Other FFs are good, some are really good. But there's simply nothing that they can bring to the table that can compete with what 6/7 did.
>None have a better story, none have better realized characters or villians, none did anything else unique that overshadows them in any way.

Those are some nice hot opinions you have there.

>>2876517

It's a retarded reason. 7 has more customozation.

>>2876517
I guess the job system is a point that could be brought up, but personally I don't feel it matters all that much. All retro FFs have similar gameplay anyway whether through job/class/abilities that there's just not enough of a difference for it to matter. Only with 12/13 did they do something truly different and I wouldn't say for the better.

>>2876525
>opinions
Well that's the point of the thread right? If someone has something they can bring up from other FFs they feel matters by all means..

>>2876534
Except not at all.

>>2876506
>II
>good

Nice try putting them in a random order.

>>2876543

Nice argument there.

Ok, we get it, you like jobs. Great.

V is still a mediocre game.

"Hurr durr opinions"

Why even discuss anything then faggots? It's all fucking opinions.

VI is my favorite, and always has been.

After that, my favorites would be V, IX, and Tactics.

>>2876542
>If someone has something they can bring up from other FFs they feel matters by all means.

By the content of your posts you really don't seem someone who has any idea of game design and actual knowledge of the genre and series, I even doubt you actually played all games considering both your points on FFIV and VII and the fact that somehow even FFII, a game that not only pioneered a completely new system but was the forefather of the modern FF model and introduced a lot of archetypes goes unmentioned when you say that no other title did anything unique and both FFVI and FFVII use an almost identical design model.

Opinions are fine and dandy, but horribly uninformed and pretentious posts ain't so.

>>2874345
Guys i just post this on /v/ but people are busy talking about other shit, so i guess i'm gonna post it here. Need help.

Tactics

the main series is teenager bullshit full of proto-moe shit

>>2876369
Dimensions was shit.
It had that cheap flash look to it. The job system was actually worse than any other job system. The story was EXTREMELY boring and generic.
The whole game just felt really cheap.
They should have gone for more Final Fantasy VI and less V.

>>2876725
>They should have gone for more Final Fantasy VI
With every character being the same except for sprites and some useless secondary abilities

>>2876809
>Every character being the same, except looking different and having unique abilities.

Seriously? In V you can make every character exactly the same. They all have access to the same jobs, magic and summons.
They're all carbon copies of one another.

>>2876548
Try reading left to right, you weeb faggot.

>>2875753
Natural growth isn't hard to figure out, though certain things like how to increase your evade isn't as clear.
>>2875646
I don't see how gambits is like all the others. If you are going to compare something that has to do with developing your characters in FFXII i t would be the license board.
>>2876516
>6 was the culmination of the sprite era FF where they put everything they learned/had into creating a masterpiece of art direction/music/graphics/gameplay/story/characters/villian, just everything. It lead fans of the series/genre to anticipate the next entry more than any other.
It just wasn't that interesting to me when I played it after I've played various other JRPG's. The first portion of the game was on rails, the second part felt like a watered down SaGa game.
>7 was practically single handedly responsible for bringing RPGs mainstream with it's incredible scale and "next level" feeling. It was basically the Star Wars of gaming where more than just the nerds started to pay attention and be captured by the epic nature of the production/plot/worldbuilding.
Doesn't make it the best in its series or genre. Games can drag on as well. Final Fantasy VII was the first one I played and I never finished it due to it dragging on, and apparently I was close to the end as well in the crater maze. This was probably about fifteen or so years ago when my friend lent it to me for the PC.

Also you have to realize some people don't like games that are story heavy in the sense of text and cut scenes and would rather explore the world and see the story unfold through playing the game rather than a bunch of exposition.

OFFICIAL FINAL FANTASY POWER RANKINGS
Not including IX because I haven't played it

1. V
2. I
3. III
POWER GAP
100. VI
101. VII
102. IV
POWER GAP
9001. II
9999999999999999. VIII

>>2876579
You should play 4 and 6 as well.

>>2877154
>Not including IX because I haven't played it

Well, my african-american, you need to remedy that as soon as possible.

>>2876579
Play 1-6 then 8, 12, the Tactics and Crystal Chronicles games and the 13 trilogy. 2 and 13 were kinda shit though so feel free to skip them.

>>2874365
But it's my favorite too anon.
I even used to dream I attended Balamb Garden sometimes.

>>2874345
9 > 7 > 4 > 6 > 8 > 5 > 1 > 3 > 2

This rating is mostly subjective, based on how I liked the characters, story, and battle system. I don't care for customizing job classes much.

Does anyone actually like 2?

>>2877358
I like 2.
Admittedly I only played it on the GBA, but after the... decades... of hearing nothing but bad things about it I was pleasantly surprised.
It is still one of the weaker entries, but I'd rate it above 1 and 3.

>>2877358
Your top 4 are my top 4. Let's have sex.

The dissidia spinoff.

>>2874641
it is the only ff where you don't have to grind EVER.
replayed 8 about a month ago and beat the game around level 20ish.
ENC-NONE

ITT: no one born before 1995

>>2877443
So basically 4chan as a whole?

>>2877369
Oh, yes, if I recall correctly, they improved the battle and leveling systems and made them more playable. I didn't play it but I remember that. The game definitely needed a lot of work. I can't recall if the story was interesting at all. Isn't it about an alliance of small countries fighting an evil empire?

>>2877409
*touches tentacles*

What did you like about them most? For me, it's mostly the characters. I just remember liking their lines best.

>>2877443
Oh bullshit.

>>2877463
>What did you like about them most?
Characters, setting, music, fun factor. The usual shit.

>>2874345
vii

>>2876552
Holy mother of assumptions. I was just saying that V has other qualities to it that set it far apart from VI&VII, you replied with a short-sighted and arrogant comment, so I did the same to you. Now will you shut the fuck up and have a merry christmas?

>>2877358
I think FFII is alright. Far from the worst, but it isn't the best either. Even its NES version is properly paced in which if you actually utilized your actions every battle your characters will grow strong enough to be able to overcome most challenges without grinding as long as you don't try to multi-class due to the stat up and down mechanics coupled along with the fact that leveling up a weapon and magic at once isn't an effective use of your time.

Absolute Favorites:
VI, VII, XII, V

Good:
IX, X, VIII, IV

Okay:
II, III, I

Not playing again for any reason:
XIII, X-2

This only assumes main entries. My favorite overall would be Tactics otherwise. Aside from XIII and it's spin-offs, the MMOs, and Dirge Of Cerberus, I can't really out and out shit on any of the series. I like some more than others, but until the last gen I've enjoyed the series as a whole.

Holy trinity tier:
The SNES games excluding Mystic Quest

High tier:
7
9
Tactics

Mid tier:
3
1
Crystal Chronicles

Low tier:
10
12
Mystic Quest

If you like this you should kill yourself tier:
8
13
2

>>2874365
I'm actually playing through it again, trying to finally finish it for once. It's good, but my vote goes to VI always and forever.

>>2874782
>forgettable
Is that picture you posted an image of some shitty rapper, because I get the distinct impression that that is where your tastes in music lay.

>>2876724
>Final Fantasy started with PlayStation
Your a dumb.

>>2877970
>Not playing again for any reason:

X-2 has a based combat system desu

>>2880378
Not the guy you replied to, but replaying it now familia.

Kinda trying to figure out what the overall best kind of setup is for the hd remake (don't think catnip works as it did in the original version) and I try to stay away from mascot since I hate the outfits.

Rocking the alchemist, berserker/psychic and bluemage/black knight at the moment

>>2874715
>Its weakness is its story.

And the characters. Literally every single one of them except Squall was a one-note animu archetype with no development.

Tactics for gameplay.

FFVl because the concept.

You get to know the world and become familiar with the people and towns only to turn around and have the world completely fucking destroyed. And if you fail to take care of Cid he dies and Celes attempts suicide. very kid friendly game.

>>2876809
>minmaxing and not specializing characters in only certain jobs to fulfill a specific role
If only you could replace the Attack option with a learned ability like that one hack or switch jobs mid battle.

>>2880378
Then I'd rather replay V. Same based system minus retarded characters and plot.

>>2880261
>excluding Mystic Quest

You can't include Mystic Quest anywhere because it was specfically made with an audience who never played RPGs before in mind. It's supposed to be beginner level and it's quite a decent game if you go from there.

7
6
10
Tactics
12
4
5
1,3
9
2, 8, 13

Which one should someone who never played any start with?

start with VII and VI that will give u incentive to play the others dude, also check out chrono trigger you'll be a FF expert :D

>>2874345
The real answer is the one you like the most because how individual a lot of them are. I myself prefer 7, though.

>>2882512
>7 that high
>9 that low

Dank memes bro

>>2874345
FFV

Job System is the best mechanic to come out of the entire FF franchise.

Prove me wrong please

>>2874345
IMO 9 and 12
9 for story and classic gameplay
12 because i enjoyed it the most

7 was my first and I was such a fanboy for years. 8 blew my mind storywise, but was boring to play. I played 1 on the ps1, and it was kinda neat. Didn't like 2. Couldn't even play 4 or 5, just so damn boring. I just don't like 6; I feel like the only one on the planet who doesn't. Did not like 10. Hated 13. Have never played the rest.

>>2883045
The materia system was pretty nice.

>>2883045
>Job System is the best mechanic to come out of the entire FF franchise.
FFII system was better and it spawned a better franchise.

>>2877426
Grinding is usually kind of a poor argument though. A lot of JRPGs don't 'require' you to grind ever.

Yes, you'll be grinding in FFVI if you want to put Ultima on all of your characters or if you want to reach the max level. But if you just want to beat the game and don't care about optional things like that you really don't have to grind.

>>2874751
Why? It just means that you're playing with a set of predefined characters whose combat roles you can pick almost entirely. VI is in principle very much about party building and party planning.

The major flaw in VI is how overpowered Ultima is and how easily you can plow through the game with an all-mage team constantly casting Ultima. But that is still a choice that's up to you. You decide what stats your characters excel in by keeping certain magicite equipped on them. You decide what spells your characters learn. You decide how you use every character. It's very much how an RPG should be.

>>2883130
Grinding can be kinda comfy when done in moderation.

>>2874345
FFIV is by far my favorite, but it has more to do with when I played it (I was 12) and the state of RPGs in the US in 1991 (almost non-existant). It was the first RPG I played with an unfolding storyline as the game progressed, it blew my mind at the time.

>>2883372
I played it for the first time when I was 17, 9 years ago, had played 6,7,8,9,10,10-2,12 already, I totally fell in love with the game and consider it the best, having replayed it at least 20 times and got about 2 pink tails or so.

How is the steam version of VI?

>>2883472

Lot of hate for the revised spritework. I will say the BG tiles are a bit jacked due to the increased resolution causing tiling problems. I'm conflicted on the character sprites, though. They were made by Kazuko Shibuya to better reflect her original art that the sprites were made from, but some of the anatomy just looks silly with the new sprites. Really, if they'd get rid of the bilinear filtering the sprites would probably be a little less hated.

>>2877426
ff5-10 can be beaten with no grinding
except for maybe limit grinding on aeons for seymour ontop of gagazet

My first with III and I'm replaying IX right now, never played any of the others, but after this I might go for 6 because of a friend's recommendation.

>>2876542
>All retro FFs have similar gameplay anyway whether through job/class/abilities that there's just not enough of a difference for it to matter.
This must be why I can waltz straight through VI and VII and unintentionally break them on the first playthrough and yet both IV and V would kill me for trying to play them in the same manner.

Your argument is retarded and belies the fact that you're not looking at the games' gameplay at anything other than a surface level. VI - and any game after it - has a completely different approach than any game before it and it's blindingly fucking obvious if you know what to look for.

>>2883045
It is alright, but I like things more free-form and less traditional.

>>2877426
>it is the only ff where you don't have to grind EVER.
How else do you acquire cards for refining other than by running around for hours looking for battles or card games? It still feels like grinding to me.

best tier
5

just sort of alright
the rest

>>2874345
VII
XII
IV
VI
I

>>2883767
>not grinding on V
The job system was made for grinding though.

>>2874779
shifting your standards to maintain delusion of quality

Tactics and XII