/vr/ - Retro Games

>>2863131
no, because murder only applies to humans. it did nothing wrong though.

It wasn't against the law, so not really. But the whole point of Metroid games is that you run around killing random wildlife in your quest to exterminate Metroids.

>>2863149
Okay, but that would at least make it highly immoral.

>>2863151
>But the whole point of Metroid games is that you run around killing random wildlife ....

....yes wildlife which is hostile towards your, in this case croco was just standing there minding his business, even being scared of you maybe.

>>2863159
no that thing was definitely trying to kill you

Crocomire did nothing wrong and that's an undeniable fact.

#justice4crocomire

>>2863131
Pretty sure it's a video game.

How could how so coldly throw something so cute into acid??

>>2863173
Yes but only because he´s trying to defend himself.

>>2863173
Crocomire doesn't do anything until you start shooting at it.

>>2863131
Why did it settle in a place so hot it makes its skin melt?

>>2863149
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xacRTqk5QFM

>>2863254
get away with your old ass music grandpa

Is it possible to skip fighting Crocomire to avoid the bad feelings?

>>2863279

Hi lowercase kid anon. :3

I rationalized it as he wouldn't let you pass. Every time you tried to go around he hurt you, he was trying to hold you back

>>2863282
yeah, just means skipping the grapple beam as well. i usually skip crocomire when I play through super metroid.

Seeing as you blow up the planet anyway does it really even matter?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKcAYMb5uk4

Why were there spikes at the back of the cave though? Perhaps the Chozo used it as a torture chamber of sorts. Crocomire was also their prisoner to their whims and may have witness many cold-blooded murders itself or caused them at the hands of the Chozo. It was a good deed to put it out of its misery.

>>2863538
By Chozo I meant space pirates. Though the Chozo having a fucked up side would be interesting.

>>2863538
>Crocomire was also their prisoner

Maybe poor Croco was just trying to reach out to Samus, but unaware that his attempts at shaking her hand were seemed as an attack.

Its screams were probably just pleas for help.

>>2863238
>hot

it's acid nigga

>>2863576

Superheated Lava actually, apparently only located in the lower areas of Norfair.

>>2863610
says who?

You are a bounty hunter, why would you care?

>>2863232
Aside from the forced imprisonment, you mean? This is clearly self-defense as Crocomire is still hostile, just not directly attacking.

>>2863309
I do this every time since I know about this whole issue.

Feeling bad for the guy because I thought the same as >>2863559

>you will never be a metroid

>>2863665
He's not a prisoner if the door opens when you kill him.

He's the jailer.

>>2863675

Or... the space pirates are evil fucks who only let the winner out of jail.

>Poor Croco probably also got pimped out to whoever wanted some.

>>2863743
Why in the fuck would the space pirates let either one of them out? Use your brain, you idiot.

>>2863748
Because this guy is stupid and wants to perpetuate this retarded myth. Nintendo implemented a algorithm to have the character move with you, and unfortunately that same formula made the character seem stand-offish due to the limitations of the programming languages at the time.

>>2863538
>>2863543

Maybe the Chozo were in fact a psychopathic, warmongering race and Samus was being manipulated by them for their own ends. The lore about them being a peaceful race was just misinformation spread by the Chozo. Every technology they came up with was for military use. Even their art, in the form of stone statues, is related to violence. The apex of their technology was Samus' suit, a weapon of war. They trained Samus only in the art of anarchic mortal combat and nothing else. They never taught Samus anything about spirituality, moral values, etc. They have no rules of engagement, no weapons for immobilization, and no diplomacy. I won't be surprised if Chozo secretly worships Khorne.

>>2863763
>limitations of the programming languages at the time.

Any programming language that's Turning complete has no limitation except for the hardware it runs on.

>>2863648

crocomire can't control the doors

better question: where was the giant, ridley-sized shaft straight to lower norfair, and how did the space pirates hide it so quickly in between when ridley brought the metroid back, and when samus landed?

>>2863214
That sentence hurt my brain

>>2863437
This

In the end, Mother Brain wired a planet self-destruction to herself and you can't avoid blowing every single living thing on it if you want to rescue the metroid and get out alive.

>b-but you save the animals

I doubt there are four innocent animals on all Zebes.

>>2863232
Nice try, Crocomire

If you do nothing, he slowly moves forwards and push you against the spikes.

>>2863790
>Any programming language that's Turning complete has no limitation except for the hardware it runs on.
Not agreeing with "limitations" guy, but that's a very naive statement.

>>2863763
it has nothing to do with the assembly language, more a hardware restriction.

>>2863790
turing complete does not mean "no limitation". there are many many things that are proven to be impossible to compute.

What baffles me isn't that I've seen this thread a couple of times but that the replies are always the same. Spooky.

>>2863131
It was murder, Samus is an pyschopathic, emotionless bitch who kills for money. And that's why I feel no guilt reading doujins about her being bimbo-fied and turned into a sex slave.

>>2863131
Absolutely. So was the genocide on some of the other species.

>>2863131
He was a good boy getting his life back on track

Samus is the personification of police brutality.

>>2865346
>turing complete does not mean "no limitation". there are many many things that are proven to be impossible to compute.
I don't think he was implying that literally everything can be computed, but all programming languages that are turing complete can do the same things, even though it might be a lot harder in one language than another

>>2863531

What did he mean by this?

>>2863538
>>2863782

Am I supposed to do something here?

>>2865498
superbomb

>>2865498
i've seen this room posted so many times i can't even tell if it's bait anymore

>>2865498
I haven't played this game in a long time. How would anyone figure that out without random guess work?

>>2865735
The TV commercial for the game showed the solution.

Little known fact: Crocomire was originally suppose to show up in Zero Mission, where he functions mostly the same way as he did in SM, but is faster and more aggressive. Samus once again shoots him backwards into acid, which is why he's reddish and looks somewhat melted in SM.

In SM, he's much more sluggish, showing that your previous encounter had seriously wounded him.

>>2863279
Fuck off The Smiths is awesome.

>>2865774
Poster here, it was joke. But in all seriousness someone made a good point a while ago and said that it had its own screen/ map section and your armed to the T with explosives, its glass and is asking to be blown up.

>>2863293
True, this one time a fat guy was standing in front of a door I was trying to get through. He clearly wasn't budging, so I just stabbed him 15 times so I could get through.

>>2865364
>catched

>>2865498
kek

>>2865128
If you don't shoot, crocomire doesn't move forward.
He will sit there for hours just screeching until Samus takes the first shot.

>>2863309
Skipping the grapple has to be kind of a bitch for maridia and the ghost ship area.

>>2866525
The Wrecked Ship is completely conquered just by getting into it using a short-runway horizontal shinespark. Maridia tests your mastery of wall-jumping. It's actually really easy to skip the grapple.

>>2863782
>No weapons for immobilization
What is the ice cannon?

>>2865735

Its a fucking glass tube, in a game where you lay bombs.

GLASS BREAKS.

>>2866616
But shooting it doesn't break it? Common sense suggests it should, so when it doesn't you naturally assume it's special unbreakable glass.

>>2866598
Something designed to shatter Metroids into a million pieces.

>>2866625
>hmm, this tool didn't break it
>well, why bother using my more powerful tools

Sorry Crocomire. You were in the way of my quest. Wish you could have fought with me or just moved out of the way but you didnt so I had to kill you.

Doesn't matter if you directly melt Crocomire's face off or indirectly blow his planet up, dude's dead at the end of the day and it's your fault.

Fucking Samus. The only thing that doesn't explode after she leaves is her starship.

>>2866683
And a few helpful animals if you save them.

>>2866598
There are many cases where it doesn't work: Smaller creatures are killed at the first shot and bigger creatures are hurt instead of frozen by it.

>>2866458
this is the same kind of lie people were making about SotC when in fact all colossi will eventually attack you even if left alone.

>>2866691
Yeah I guess you have a point. I was probably intentionally only remembering the ones that froze.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3fQtYVwpx4
god tier OST

>>2865458
#justice4crocomire
#piratelivesmatter

>>2866692
>all colossi will eventually attack you even if left alone.
All of them?

IIRC there are two colossi that will never attack you unless you attack them first; the bird and the flying worm.

>>2866616

>>2865779
So basically the acid melted off his eyes, so he couldn't tell Samus is there because his eyes were melted off.

Crocomire had a hard life.

>>2865735
the room where you get the super bombs teaches you to use them when stuck in a dead end

>>2865735
Play through Maridia, and there's another room just like this. The only difference being that the tube has been broken. DUN DUN DUN!

>>2863131
Crocomire dindu nuffin, he wuz a good boy he wuz turnin his life around
#justice4crocomire
#norfairlivesmatter

Would you play a game in which the player character was a chozo?

>>2865364
Ice cream?

>>2865735
There's another broken tube that's unmissable if you get the power bombs.

For me, it was common sense - a huge bomb explosion would shatter the glass. I still wasn't 100% sure of that though, and when it did happen I was left speechless by how rewarding the game makes you feel.

>>2868625
This. It was one of the most beautiful and elegant things in the game.

>>2866458
The frantic #kraid music playing was hostile enough and warranted an appropriate reaction.

>>2871135
One thing they could do to help people with the tube, would be to hide a missile container in a wall.
Then there would be no excuse to not use a Power Bomb, you'd see an item was on that screen in the map, and a smart player uses a Power Bomb to check the walls for hidden items.

>>2871150
Or make the x-ray scope work on it. That's why it gave me so much trouble, fucking trusted the scope too much.

>>2865735
I figured it out twenty years later after somebody showed me. I thought it was an indestructible set piece like the other broken tube.

>>2871150
That would be as subtle as a sledgehammer to the face

A less obvious yet present hint is the platform above the tube. Is so obviously a platform by all definitions of the term that any player should understand they are somehow suppose to reach out of the tube.

>>2865109

it was his birthday, too

>>2863219
damn you're right I guess I should have let it kill me then

>>2871653
I'm sure crocomire had more loved ones than you, anyway.

>>2871649
He won't fit on their ship anyway, I guess.

>>2871150
Nah, such handholding would have ruined it. It was perfect as it was.

>>2871617
Anyway once the only thing you can do to progress is to break the tube, you are in need to enter Maridia elswhere to what you had been thus far, and the magic tube room (where Brinstar and Maridia cross) is the only place to do so.

(The only thing which doesn't quite add up is why lower Brinstar isn't flooded by Maridia water after the tube is burst, but oh well.)

You can see that there are rooms above and below the tube, and there's even a platform right overhead. It should be common sense that the tube is breakable.

Plus, Conservation of Detail was a thing in games back then. If a room has some unique detail seen nowhere else (in this case, the tube), then there's probably a way to interact with it.

>>2871736

He won't even fit out of that fucking door, fatass be FAT.

>>2863159
The majority of Metroid enemies just fly/crawl around in their pattern oblivious to you.

>>>2871742
The rooms adjacent to the shattered tube are literally airlocks. Take a closer look. That is why Brinstar is not flooded.

>>2863213
b-b-but muh angsty kiddie feels

>>2872007
Sweet.

>>2863531
>Mom walks in

>>2865779
kinda hoping he'll make an appearance in am2r

>>2863131

Self defense.

If Crocomire just wanted to shake your hand and be friends, cool but thats not what went down.

If you entered that room and did not attack it, he would still attack you. You could not not fight it. Escape was not an option.

Killing him was survival.

>>2873271
However he is a completely optional boss, so you needlessly killed him for his treasure, the grapple beam. The precious precious grapple beam.

>>2863617
Says anyone who played the game more than once faggot. Same lava hurts you even in gravity suit, low temp lava and acid doesn't harm you in gravity suit. Also brinstar and crataria are the only ones with acid.

Fuck your Crocomire, we 100%ing this bitch.

>>2873120
Metroid II (and by extension AM2R) takes place on SR-388, not on Zebes. Crocomire has no business to be there whatsoever.

Though, he was planned to be in Zero Mission, but was scrapped for whatever reason.
https://tcrf.net/Metroid_Zero_Mission#Crocomire

>>2873278

Still doesnt change the fact that if you entered that room hes hostile.

>>2873278

The Grapple Beam seemed pretty superfluous. You could always clear grapple rooms with the Space Jump instead. I'm not sure if it's possible to get through some of the rooms in Maridia without the beam though. (or if you can grab the Space Jump before then)

It seems like Nintendo would have made the beam more useful, like requiring it in order to grapple and move large objects such as crates or statues.