/vr/ - Retro Games

The FF7 Remake really shouldn't be considered retro. The remaster that just released like 30 minutes ago, sure, but not this.

retro games!
also I'm just saying it's fucking pathetic that you fanboy neckbeards still care about the reboot of a 20 year old game. You're not even the target demographic anymore. Can't you just move on?

>>2835852
I fucking hate Namura and his lust for hallways and adhd combat. also this is modern trash not retro.

>>2835852
looks awesome!!!!!!!!!!!! omfgggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg im gonna die cant wait asgduzgshkfjn

>>2835883

>>2835879

but did he fuck gackt or not?

>>2835889

I'd honestly rather a Hugo HD remake than this final fantsy bullshit.

>>2835852
OMFGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

>>2835894
yes they both rubbed pussys

>>2835852
HQ
https://youtu.be/A3sBZ5Nr4hc

JUST

>>2835852
You really expected it to be just like the one we got on the PSX?

>>2835928

The trailer was literally just shown at the PSX

>>2835852
Why does Barret look like Blade...

Why does the combat look so bad.

Why.
You had one job.
ONE JOB.

All they had to do was update the graphics, adjust some minor things, add more materia combos and it would've been amazing.

I'll buy it used. I can't support Square-Enix in this current state.

>>2835953
Nintendo could remake ff7 better than Squeenix.

The gameplay looks like...what's the word? Shit?

>>2835953
The combat looks great though.

>>2835953
>you had one job
>and it was these three things

FF7 fans.

Why did they decide to remake 7 instead of the superior 8 or 9?

>>2835987
Why do you think?

>1997+13
>Trusting Nomura to deliver

Get ready for forced cinematic bullshit, QTEs and combo macros, and "fans" will choke on this shit and say it's the best thing ever.

At least you FF fans can be glad Nomura will finally fuck off once and for all after this, he's the last remnant of Wada's Dark Age of Square.

>>2835994
who the fuck is nomura

>>2835852

Yeah they're arguing about it over at /v/. I didn't think it was going to be ATB again but I wanted something diffrent than the shit that was shown. Only being able to control one character is shit.

>>2835987
You know the reason dipshit

>>2835994

I tend to be a purist, but I don't really mind if someone wants to remake a game for newer generations. Why not let younger audiences have their QTEs and check points other shit? If that's what they want.

As for me, I'll just keep on playing the original version.

Maybe I'll watch a full playthrough on YouTube when the remake comes out, but I'll doubt I'll invest in a current-gen console just to play it for myself.

>>2835994

>At least you FF fans can be glad Nomura will finally fuck off once and for all after this, he's the last remnant of Wada's Dark Age of Square.

>Wada

Who is this "Wada" of which you speak?

>>2836018
QTEs are only in bad games, mate.

Except God of War. GoW was good.

Can't wait for the release, so this fucking will finally die.

>>2836020
>Who is this "Wada" of which you speak?
How old are you?
>>2836021
>GoW was good.
GoW was press square to win garbage

>>2836047

>How old are you?

That didn't answer my question, faggot.

>>2836020
Chingchong Fukuyu

>>2836049
>That didn't answer my question, faggot.
Boo-fucking-hoo son.

You have good hands to type on your keyboard and make a fucking google search if you really cared about Square or videogames in general since you don't even know who's actually making the games you play.

>>2836021
QTEs in God of War all had consequences for not pushing the button, and reward for pushing the correct button. Either way, what you saw on the screen changed as a result of this pass/fail condition - if you hit circle at the right time, you rip the cyclops' eye out, you don't hit it correctly, he grabs you and smacks you with his club. This is the only logical way to do QTE and I'm surprised that almost no other game does it like that, especially as a part of actual gameplay. You also aren't forced into most of these QTEs, they're typically initiated by the player, who has just as much choice to just beat the enemies down normally.

How the fuck do you fuck up turn based RPG into action RPG?

How the fuck will you have teams of 3 and control them all now?

HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU GOING TO FIGHT THE HUGE ASS WEAPONS IN ACTION RPG

HOW DO YOU FUCK UP A SIMPLE RPG

Also what the fuck is up with Clouds arms?

>>2836074
>How the fuck will you have teams of 3 and control them all now?
AI-controlled allies like in Kingdom Hearts

>HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU GOING TO FIGHT THE HUGE ASS WEAPONS IN ACTION RPG
You don't, you cut them or turn them into QTE cutscenes

>Killing the original turn based combat the game was known for for a hack n slash system

What's their excuse for not keeping it turned based? Are they afraid kids will find it boring? Most people that want to buy this game preferred the turn base. Jesus Christ Square.
>>2836081
Please tell me you're joking

>>2835852
Being able to run around a fully 3D Midgar is just gonna make it hurt even more once you get out of there. I really wish FF7 stuck with the idea of being a bunch of eco terrorists in a cyberpunk city.

>>2836062

>I am a huge asshole who takes three helpings of niggerdick every single day.

I think you mistyped a few things there.

>>2836079
he's a bottom now.

>>2836086
>Are they afraid kids will find it boring?
It's funny because kids and the "normie audience" are all over Hearthstone, Pokemon and indie pseudo-retro RPGs like Undertale nowadays. Turn-based RPGs are only dead because they stopped fucking making them.

They could never change a thing about the gameplay and even the people who have never touched the original would eat it up with enough marketing; it could even kick start a new age of turn-based gameplay.

>>2836086
Oh come on, children and "gamers" will eat this shit up, you and I both know it.
>>2836087
What personally distrubs me a lot is the aesthetic changes, Midgar screamed 90's anime greasy steam/cyberpunk and this remake has the same bland, sterile modern futuristic bullshit you'll see in 20 other games, but then again I wasn't such a big FF fan to begin with so my complaint is probably more of a pet peeve, the gameplay changes are unsettling(especially considering who's behind it), but you know, for me when they change designs and aesthetic this much it's already goodbye.

We'll see how it turns out anyway, it will either be the last nail in the coffin for the series or a great success, I don't see it getting a lukewarm reception, not FFVII, fans have been lusting for a remake since forever.

>we want the pewdiepie audience

Seriously. I have a awful, awful,awful feeling that the length and story/locations of the game are going to be cut down A TON. Let's say that FF7 was like 40 of gameplay not counting the sub quests etc. I have a feeling this game is going to be something like 20 hours and that makes me very afraid.

>>2836047
God of war is one of the best games ever made.

>>2836086
People just have to accept change, especially people on /vr/. I'm also a bit dissappointed as there is no round based battle system. This would have been a great homage. But I'm also not close minded about the new battle system like generic people from /vr/. I'm excited and looking forward to it. Maybe it will suck, maybe it will be great. I'm not judging a game over this, I'm staying open-minded and looking forward what this open battle system has to offer. But it sure looks a lot like FFXV and not VII.

>>2836108
I really need to remember to look up porn of him next time I fap.

>>2836109
It would be cool it they released two versions of the game. One with the classic battle system and one with the FFXV battle system. This would be so great. Everyone would be happy. (Except people on /vr/)

I knew this would happen. Moving along. Nothing to see here but pain and suffering.

guess there was a want for the same game but with better graphics since ffvii's graphics are quite abrasive

>>2836104
>y could never change a thing about the gameplay and even the people who have never touched the original would eat it up with enough marketing; it could even kick start a new age of turn-based gameplay.

This was honestly what I was hoping was going to happen. Give it the ATB system, new camera angles, graphics, update the materia systems. Give all voices and lines.

They fucked up the battle system. Why would they ditch the ATB? It's so fucking simple and fast for them to code and make compared to this. And it fits better for a game than this action. YOU CANT EVEN CONTROL ALL THE CHARACTERS AT THE SAME TIME ANYMORE HOW THE FUCK IS MAGIC AND CAST ALL GOING TO WORK NOW HOW THE FUCK CAN YOU USE ITEMS WHEN ALL PARTY MEMBERS ARE GETTING PUCHED IN THE FACE WITH NO BREAK IN ACTION

FUCK YOU NOMURA

A 1:1 port of the game with updated graphics would be better. I'm waiting for the Re-remake. Movies get remade n times too, like Star Wars. So let's wait for the definite version of FFVII on PS5 or PS6.

>>2836112
There is none, but don't worry some guy from /co/ is commissioning a ton of porn for him for everyone.

>>2836121
I had assumed we'd just get a 1:1 port with voices, graphics, cutscenes and cinematics. But we get this shit instead.

>>2836112
>>2836123
Here's a small taste of what's to come.

C'mon, guys. It's gonna be shit. I know it, you all should've known it, and anyone who didn't see this horseshit coming from 10 AU away is plain fucking delusional about just what kind of company they're dealing with in Squeenix.

I don't even particularly like FFVII and still feel bad for it. It was still a classic and didn't deserve this kind of defilement.

How will you use items in battle?

>>2836126
That's what happens when you entrust your franchises to Nomura, look at what they did with the FFL remakes on DS, the fans got exactly what they wanted, better graphics, remastered music and expanded gameplay with a little bonus content, because the devs were the same and knew what the fanbase wanted instead of trying to make a completely different game to appeal to the wider audience.

>Nomura
>makes Kingdom Hearts 1 into a masterpiece
>fuck up the entire story and make the franchise a fucking enitre mess right after

I shouldn't be shocked, Advent Children was dogshit and that was his baby.

I didn't get my hopes up whatsoever so I wasn't disappointed. Square has been dead for years and years.

As excited as I may be for the FFVII remake, I would have really appreciated a full 3d environment 1:1 remake of the game with updated graphics and game fixes, instead of core changes to the game. Or at least two versions of the game with the different battle systems to choose from or an option at the beginning of the game to switch between classic ATB battle system and the new FFXV battle system. Don’t get me wrong, I think the new system leaves many possibilities for greatness, but it just doesn’t feel like FFVII. It’s not faithful to the original, it feels more like Crisis Core, FFXIII or FFXV…

>>2836150
>Or at least two versions of the game with the different battle systems to choose from or an option at the beginning of the game to switch between classic ATB battle system and the new FFXV battle system

Shut up you. You're the kind of people are Square that would make good ideas.

So, it's not really FFVII. It's a different game that happens to have an updated art style and the same story.

Is it tied to Advent Children tho?

>>2836165
We're talking about Nomura nigga, take a fucking guess.

If the combat was the same there would have been the same outcry, just the other 50% saying its shit and turn based does not work.
And why are you fucks saying it's an action rpg. What if its just turn based with cinamatic combat?

>>2836126
I don't understand why anyone would think this. Have you seen any Square Enix fames made in the last 15 years? Are you just plain retarded? What is it?

>>2836148
It's just not right, though.

>>2836171
Because that's too good of an idea for Square. Pick a move and watching it happen in front of you while the other character selects his attack.

Maybe it's still turn base but with camera angles an action shots?

>>2836182
It's a brilliant system, actually. But know it all fuckheads are too stupid to understand this. To these assholes, such a system is boring a repetitive. They claim it simply "wouldn't work" anymore -- why they think this, I can't even imagine but I'm pretty sure even they don't know, either. Oh wait; they know everything, that's why.

>>2836192
After reading your comment I watched video again. You may be right, I still see a DEFEND option.

I don't remember there be an option to defend in Crisis Core.

>>2836108
If all the dialog is spoken then yeah expect major cuts.

>>2835994

For those still wondering just who in the high holy hell "Wada" is (since this fucking mong obviously can't be bothered), refer to this article please:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoichi_Wada

tl;dr He sounds like a generally terrible person to lead anyone or anything.

>>2836000

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetsuya_Nomura

tl;dr Every shitty, over-the-top character design since VII you can blame on this metrosexual cunt.

Oh goody, I was just wondering what it would have been like if /vr/ had existed when Fallout 3 got announced.

It will be development hell: the game

Think George is finally satisfied with the battle system now, guys?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Va1eASVTRdo

>>2835994
I wonder if it will at least have a world map with giant Cloud, Highwind, Chocobos and shit.
It HAS to have it, right?

>>2836226
And then 10 years from now FF7 remake is renamed FF17

>>2836351

based guy

Nomore-a

Remember Dirge? What a shitty game.

>ITT: Anons are surprised that combat and layout have changed after Square said months ago that they were changing them.

Do you guys not read the news or are you all just allergic to everything after 2000?

>>2836448
Not surprised, just disappointed.

>>2836448

I don't even follow modern gaming. No point.

>>2836380
Dirge of Siberia. I still have a copy over here. But I prefer classic Siberia with that point and click chick.

>>2836448
They said it wouldn't be exactly the same. They didn't say it was a ARPG.

>>2836460
The last Final Fantasy I cared about came out in 2000. Are people still on about Squeenix? Move on people.

>rehash

n.. no thank you!!

>>2836460
They said combat would be different. Different means not turn based menus. Were you seriously expecting otherwise?

Well /v/, you got what you wanted. You got your FF7 remake. Yet another example reinforcing the adage "be careful what you wish for. you just might get it."

>>2836482

This. Operation Moonfall as well.

Fuck remaining Nintendo fans.

>tfw all the dumbshits that whine about JRPG combat being boring ruined any chance of this being good

What ever happened to pandering to your actual audience instead of the people who don't like your games to begin with?

>>2835994
>1997+13
>2010
>5 replies
>I'm the first one to point this out

>>2836502

Assbrained MBAs who are fully convinced corporations must own everyone and everything. Market segments, waterworks, Volkswagens; you name it, they feel they should try to own/control 100% of it.

>>2835987
>tfw you'll never have Dagger's glorious ass in HD

>>2836510
but sephiroths pecs in boner hard HD

>>2836510
>tfw you'll never have the Faris undressing scene in glorious HD 3D

>people complaining about the combat.

FFVII was non-stop "spam attack to win" for regular encounters. It's the lowest common denominator of JRPG game design. There's a reason this genre has tapered off. There is absolutely nothing they could have done to the fundamental gameplay that wouldn't improve it somehow.

>>2835889
gtfo hugo

>>2836510
Blessing in disguise. For every new piece of Garnet porn, we'd get 40 for Freya.

>>2836548
You're doing a terrible job at making that sound like a bad thing.

>tfw your character will never be portrayed accurately again

>>2835953
Lelel Hurr durr yew had won jahb!! I'm a comedically handicapped redditor!!!!

>>2836615

>>2836621
>>>/reddit/

>>2836615
What a silly thing to get triggered about

>>2836623

>>2836623

>>2836575
This fucks with me a little, not gonna lie.
My impression of Cloud when I played was 50% nihilism, 50% dweeb. I've never touched anything outside of the main game, so I have no earthly idea how Le Brooding Sadboi was conceived.

Same with Vincent. The dude comes off as more uncomfortable and spergy than a visual kei DMC Dante.

>>2836621
>>2836629
>>2836642
This meme has officially lost all of it's meaning.

>>2836108

I could see SquareEnix releasing it in an episodic format.

>>2836505
>Pointing this out to autists that live in the past like we would notice or care.

>>2836575
>>2836753

Not really sure what you're all upset about. He's behaving exactly like he is supposed to at the beginning of the game; a stand-offish douchey asshole merc. A shitty edgelord. Vaguely infuriating, disappointing, and confusing to everyone around him.

Friend of mine is the biggest, most unapologetic fucking FF7 fanboy I have ever met. He is literally raising his daughters on the game. He's said he can play the original game any time he wants; he wants something new and different from the remake and has been hype as fuck over this. Y'all are being a bunch of goddamn babies.

>>2835928

What if they do this to Xenogears?

>>2836753
'le brooding sadboi' is who Cloud really is, post-dissociation depression does that to you. If anything, the only 'real' Cloud is the rookie from Nibelheim in CC. It's Zack you like.

Funny how most fans can't into the plot.

>>2836079
Cloud looks emaciated and like he hadn't been out in the sun for years.

>>2837027

Anime proportions translate disastrously to a more realistic art style, who would've guessed?

I just don't understand why Square has been so animephobic when it comes to FF for the past 15 years or so. Nobody was bothered by the anime style for 7 all those years ago, why would it be an issue now? Especially with how well those excessively weeby games have been selling as of late.

>>2837071
>animephobic

>>2836159
>the same story.
What's even the point? We already know everything that will happen. Jessie will die, etc.

Why even make a "new" different gameplay mechanic when half of the game itself isn't of the interest for those seeking something new, and those wanting a replay/remake won't appreciate the changes.

Unless they actually make it so you can alter the story somehow. But so far the trailers shows exactly all the same stuff.

>>2836121
dude you can just use some HD mods, youre welcome

>>2836979
Nigga, 2010 was nearly 6 years ago. Having that much of a gap in your memory should probably be checked out

>>2837567
No, I want a 1:1 port but in 3rd person 3D. Also most textbubbles must be cutscenes and fmvs but be 4K HDR 60fps. ATB Battle system. A faithful but original update. That's how I would have done it.

>>2837071
Final Fantasy games were always about realism when you look at the main characters and they are still now. Remember their goals for this game was to make ingame graphics look like Advent Children and they succeded. They use really interesting shaders to create the graphics, they look like waterpaint from close up or z-brush soft wax materials, hair transparency (the green light) looks like from a cheap 64 color gif set. It looks really odd close-up, but the picture is also really smudgy due to youtube compression. Nevertheless, when viewed from normal distance it all ends up nice, looking close to AC graphics.

>>2837956
pic related

>>2837956
>>2837958
pic related 2

"Some are born great, some achieve greatness, and some have greatness thrust upon them."

Well, /vr/? Any of you guys want to become Great? Then help me organize a boycott of this game. I don't use the Twitter, etc so if someone who's willing to help does, that would help a lot. Otherwise just post wherever you see people talking about it, and mention there's going to a massive boycott going on. The mere word 'boycott' scares the ever living fuck out of devs, and the their shills alike. We Can Do It, though. Don't let those faggots get away with wrecking something we've been waiting almost 20 years. I just heard it's going to be episodically released, too. Fuck dat shit even more, now.

>>2839839
I'm already planning on buying it used or after a massive price drop.

I like FF7. I do like Crisis Core to an extent, but Crisis Core was designed with that in mind.

How are multiple characters going to work in this game? No one knows.

It also looks like its way more style over substance. I mean, the substance is there already from it being a remake, but theres no way its going to live up to anyone who played the originals expectations.

>>2837956
>Final Fantasy games were always about realism when you look at the main characters and they are still now.

Not really. It depends on each game.
FF7's chibi-looking character models outside of battle was definitely an art direction choice, not a "technical limit". It's just like in other older FF games were they use more "simplified" models to fit with the lower detailed worlds; then when you're in a battle, it's more of a close-up view, so you get the more realistic models.

Those models can't be the way they are due to technical limit in FF7. They use the more detailed models in battles, battles which non only have a backgrounds, but can hold plenty of other detailed models and effects at the same time. The non-battle environment only has the background and other low detail models, there is no reason they couldn't have used the high models outside of battles if they could in battle.

This is also why the mods of the PC version to use battle models outside of battles look awful.

So no, FF7 was never all about 'realistic characters' graphicaly speaking, and a remake taking that out is pretty much taking out all of the original art direction, since those chibi models go hand in hand with everything else.

>>2837004
It would make the robot fights smoother.

Would probably translate better than FF, but I'd still miss the old system.

>>2836159
That's how all Square remakes outside Armor Project have been lately. Look at III and IV DS, and compare them to NES/SNES.

We all saw this coming, Nomura even said the script was going to be redone.

>>2837229
>Why even make a "new" different gameplay mechanic when half of the game itself isn't of the interest for those seeking something new, and those wanting a replay/remake won't appreciate the changes.
So the marketed audience not the fans will buy it.

>Unless they actually make it so you can alter the story somehow. But so far the trailers shows exactly all the same stuff.
Nomura said the script was going to be altered. How exactly outside of obviously including the sequel material, we don't know.

It's pretty strange that they would use the original translation in the trailer though. I'm afraid the translation's still even going to suck at this point.

>It will be episodic with that

>>2836209
I wish he made all his characters like his contributions to VI.

>"older games aren't better, you are just a nostalgia fag!"
>see this video

Yeah, maybe it's me who is nostalgic even though I haven't played it at release...

I'm not even mad anymore. This is what people want after all, but I can't help but feel sad for the state of the industry.

>>2839912
Makes me want to die

>>2839884
I wasn't even talking about ffvii. I was talking about final fantasy in general. when you look at 8 9 10 12 and 13 they all have realistic characters. even if 9 is cartoonish the protagonist still look human like. 7 is an exception as it is so old and they didn't know how to use 3d that well back then. But if you look at the cutscenes/fmvs you know realism is what they were trying to do. They just couldn't at the time. They never wanted those blocky graphics, it was there first 3d game, of course the chibi characters were due to technical limitations that weren't optimised yet like in 8. Advent Children is how FFVII should have looked. Detailed Models like that started in FFX cutscenes. Again technical limitations were brought to next level. And the ffvii remakes goal was to make the Characters look like in Advent Children in game, that is all they wanted and they have accomplished that.

>>2839912
>google it
>oh god it's true
http://www.technobuffalo.com/2015/12/07/final-fantasy-vii-will-be-a-multi-part-series/

Confirmed to be either in episodes or sequels. Just when I thought they couldn't milk it any more.

As expected from /vr/
Square Enix always said that they were not going to make a FF7 remake because it would be too expensive to the projected market, everyone knows that without revamping the battle system that like it or not, is a commercially a negative point, SE would end losing money, but hey, who cares?
They should work for years in this project for our sake only, fuck them for wanting some profit, what kind of company is moved by money?

Fuck, I'd rather play an ATB Final Fantasy 7 remake too, but at least I can respect their decision, I think that would even take the same decision in their place too.

>>2839948
A lot of us didn't want a remake in any sort of capacity because we knew what would happen, ever. Square's always been iffy with port/remake quality Even some users' favorite versions have flaws, like PS1 FF1 not fixing quite all of the original's bugs.

And you can't very well expect 4chan, let alone a /v/ offshoot, to ignore something big in the news can you?

>>2839958
>Square's always been iffy with port/remake quality
All the SaGa remakes are exactly what people wanted, mostly because the team and direction behind those was competent enough to give the fanbase what they wanted without burning cash on visuals and still making an aesthetically valid product, same thing happened with DQ, they only really screw up with FF, which has been a looooong time tradition.

It's really ironic how of all their franchises they screw up the most with their beloved household title, you'd think that's the problem of having a very popular product try to appeal to younger people and keep the older audience, but DQ doesn't have any problem with that and the other franchises rarely had that many fuck ups as FF in terms of reception.

>>2835852
Actually, i dont feel nothing wrong with those changes. Battle system looks like FF15. Everything else looks amazing.
>Barret's sunglasses and action RPG
>"OMG, you have one job, they ruined it"
I have only two FUCKING TWO question for you:
1)Do you like that turn-based system so much ? For me, turn-based system was always about grind.
2)DO YOU FUCKING CARE ABOUT SOMEONE'S SUNGLASSES ?

P.S.:Episodic format sucks.

>>2839948
People keep saying this but there are plenty of popular games that are at the very least turn based if not turn based rpg's, such as hearthstone...

>>2839979
That was pretty much my reaction. I didn't watch the trailer for a long time because I expected to just groan, but it actually looked a lot better than I anticipated. FFVII's battle system was never great anyways.

I doubt I'll actually play it, but I'm shocked at how not-terrible it looks.

squeenix managed to make romancing saga on the ps2 better than the original, so I'll most likely give this a chance

still bummed about the episodic format

>>2839984
square enix from ten years ago is radically different from modern SE, people need to understand this.

>>2839990
Enix is a sleeper cell looking to kill off their oppressors from the inside.

>>2839990
I dunno, I thought squeenix was ass from the moment I played X-2 and got word of an MMO FF, so RS came as a surprise

I have never been able to get into this series.
I have the need to play games in order, so I keep trying to play the first game, but turn based RPG's have never been easy for me to enjoy. The whole system is pointless, since its all just grinding, or press X to select attack. There's no skill to it, you just kill the guy that does the most damage first and work down from there.
Then when I look at possibly playing newer games, there's the absolute shit-teir art direction, belts&zippers laughing tidus bullshit, and autistic fanbase.
And then to top that off, if I decide to just say fuck it and try playing with a later entry into the series then its impossible to figure out which game since none of the fans can agree on what game is best and what game is worst. You also can't decide if Square is good or bad or some weird mix. You're all polarized to an extreme on everything. Plus there's like a hundred damn entries in the series since everything after 9? 10? comes in parts.

How the fuck does anyone get into Final Fantasy. I dont understand this shitfest.

>>2839948
Being motivated by money and making a crappy reboot of a popular game are two different things. The only reason why a remake would be expensive is because they insist on photorealism. It would be a lot cheaper if they stuck with the anime style.

>>2840037
Hello shitposter kun, here's your (you).

Into the trash it goes.

>>2840037
>I have the need to play games in order

That's a stupid obsession that you should work on overcoming. FFI is by far the worst game in the series. FFII is very interesting but also highly divisive, some people love it, others hate it.

>autistic fanbase.
Caring about the other people who may or may not like something is idiotic.

> its impossible to figure out which game since none of the fans can agree on what game is best
That's because they're all different and different people like different things. The key is to stop waiting passively for someone else to make a decision for you and play some yourself to see what you enjoy or don't.

Do you even like other JRPGs?

>>2840046
prove me wrong.

>>2840054
You need to grind in babby's first JRPG series, that alone identifies you as passive aggressive shitposter.

I don't need to prove you wrong because you have memes as arguments, you are here to bait people because you have nothing else to do with your sad life.

>>2840053
>The key is to stop waiting passively for someone else to make a decision for you and play some yourself to see what you enjoy or don't.
>FFI is by far the worst game in the series.
Then where the fuck should I start? The logical choice is to pick a series up from the beginning, not at entry number 7. You don't start Reading Lord of the rings halfway through the second book, you don't start watching Star Wars with Empire Strikes Back. So why should I play a video game that way?

>>2840037
>I have the need to play games in order
seek help for that
>none of the fans can agree
then make up your own mind

>>2840059
You do have to grind in most of the older Final Fantasy.

>>2840065
>The logical choice is to pick a series up from the beginning

Why? Each game is a stand-alone title

>>2840059
I don't think he was complaining about needing to grind in FFI as much as just playing the game feels like grinding, which is a very fair criticism. After deciding your initial party set up, there are barely ever interesting decisions to make. The vast bulk of the game is just attacking, even if you choose a more "interesting" party.

He does come across as a pretty big tool, but not because he found FFI dull. That's just proof he's alive.

>>2840037
Are you underaged? You don't need to like popular things just because they're popular, and just because a series is popular doesn't necessarily mean that it's fun or good.

>>2840065
>Then where the fuck should I start?
You're completely missing the point. You've discovered for yourself that the first game is pretty bad and don't enjoy it.

The difference between games like this and a series of books, is that the Final Fantasies are all stand alone and only reference each other in very oblique ways.

As for where to start, that's why I'm telling you to think for yourself. You know yourself better than I do. Read a few reviews or something to figure out what the different games are like and what appeals to you. Then just fucking play one. If you don't enjoy it, stop.

It's not rocket science.

>>2840071
Only if you're a scrub, no FF game needs any grind, this isn't Wizardry.
>>2840081
Judging an entire series by having played one game, and playing it superficially only proves that he's wasting precious resources by being alive. His other points also hints at actual autism and severe alienation, but that's not something I want to discuss in a retro board about videogames, he's baiting, that's all there is to it.

i'll admit i'm kind of excited for this. i was 12 when ff7 came out and played that shit to death.

i have nostalgia boners for a lot of games, but ff7 probably the most.

This isn't retro and you fucking know it.

/v/ has plenty of threads you can discuss this in.

sage

>>2840096
I'm not disputing that he's retarded, but playing FFI and finding it boring is a natural conclusion in my opinion.

>>2840105
Counter-sage.

>>2840096
>Only if you're a scrub, no FF game needs any grind, this isn't Wizardry.

You don't need to grind in the retro Wizardry games. Characters don't need to go past beyond level 13. Is there a FF game where you can beat the whole game with level 13 characters?

>>2840105
Remakes have long since been established as retro. You don't get to change the rules just because you don't like it. Just don't open the thread, everyone wins.

>>2840119
VIII

>>2840119
1 and 8 come to mind.

But Wizardry levels are different from FF levels, in terms of benefits - level 13 in Wizardry is like being level 50 in Final Fantasy.

>>2840135
>But Wizardry levels are different from FF levels, in terms of benefits - level 13 in Wizardry is like being level 50 in Final Fantasy.

Not really. Your characters are still very vulnerable to instant death, level drain, and status effects. Battles at the later floors are very risky.

>>2840146
Many of us like modern games as well, but there is a small group of very vocal people who genuinely are like that.

>>2840119
Most FFs can be played at very low levels.

>>2840146
Better than /v/ where everyone is contrarian to contrarianism and is only capable of enjoying the latest AAA+ cinematic movie simulators because literally everything else, before or after 2002 is for reddit hipsters.

This thread is particular is miles more civil than /v/'s threads on the same topic that are full of people jumping up and down shitting the bed about "BTFOing the nostalgiafags" and acting like turn-based is some kind of affront to the universe. Here it's mostly "meh". I personally am lightly hopeful about the remake as nothing is set in stone or known to the public yet.

>>2840146
I'm sorry we don't get excited over every new meme game you love, but it's nice to know you care so much /v/

>>2840119
>Is there a FF game where you can beat the whole game with level 13 characters?
Pretty much any of them. Except maybe IV.

>>2840156
>only capable of enjoying the latest AAA+ cinematic movie simulators

When's the last time you were actually on /v/? Most of them despise those games more than here even.

I was never really into JPRGs except for those grid based tactics games like Shining Force and Final Fantasy Tactics so the loss of the original battle system makes me interested in actually playing FF7. I think that with the VAST amount of money being poured into this project they most likely will have a setting for fans of the original combat system, it wouldn't be that big to put in and they'd lose sales without it.

>>2839912
>>2839947
Even if they separated it like the original did by it's discs, it's a really shitty idea.

They only did that on the PS1 because they had to, and it was unevenly cut because it was governed by the amount of data. We don't need to deal with that shit in a brand new game.

>>2840149
As it is in Final Fantasy.

>Level 5 DOOM
>WAHAHOHOHOOOO
>Game Over

>>2840875
Ultra HD Blu-Rays can do 100GB tripple layer. Oh but the PS4 doesn't support Ultra HD, nvm.

>>2835852
>episodic
>just announced that you will be able to fill your health bars and turn off all encounters at will
This thing plays itself even moreso than the original.

I gave up after the PS3 tech demo. They out they god damn minds if they think they'll be selling this soulless piece of shit to the original demographic. Don't hold your breath for a single positive change. From here on out it's only going to be a mountain of disappointment and childhood rape.

>>2842331
I'm pretty sure the on-demand cheats are for the non-enhanced PS4 port, not the remake.

>>2837956
>Final Fantasy games were always about realism when you look at the main characters and they are still now.

There's nothing realistic about a scrawny guy with a tryhard hairstyle carrying a impractically huge sword to fight against soldiers holding guns,. Aiming for photorealism for such designs is straight up uncanny valley.

>>2842331
>fill your health bars
that's dumb if it's without a cost

>turn off all encounters at will
so it'll be like the enc-none ability from VIII or having a mastered enemy away materia?
I'm okay with that, truth be told

>>2842401
Those are the cheats for the PS4 port, not the remake. That shithead is getting his stories mixed up.

>>2842389
>>2842389
Atheist/Heathen.

The more I hear about this remake, the worse it gets. Any excitement or anticipation I had for it back when it got announced is gone. It's not even FF7 anymore. It's a FF7 graphical skin slapped onto whatever generic framework they have for the current FFs.

I'll take a look at other people playing it and see how it ends up, but I am extremely skeptical. The battle system just kills it for me. I dislike battle systems like that, and based on how it is, it nearly guarantees that the Materia system is completely different. Maybe I'm assuming too much but I just don't see how the Materia system is going to be anything like the original.

I don't even know what to say about the episodic thing. I can't think of anything good that will come of it. If each episode is released weekly, monthly, quarterly... who knows... that really ruins the immersion of an rpg. People are saying to just wait for all the episodes to be out. That sucks to have to wait an unknown amount of time for a game you want to play. I can't even think of another game where they did this (I know Telltale does this but it's not like Telltale released a full game but then went back and chopped it up into pieces). And then you wonder, do the episodes make it so you can't revisit/explore outside of the current chapter? What about leveling? What about your party, will it stay the same between episodes, or be forced upon you? How much is all of this going to cost?

The only 2 positive things I can say, which really isn't much: it looks really nice & I'm happy the voice acting is decent.

It's my own stupid fault too for believing Squenix was capable of anything enjoyable nowadays. Unbelievable. Square & Enix made some of my most favorite games of my childhood, and now it's just watered-down crap. Oh well, there are always the original games and mods for FF7 PC.

>>2835852
This isn't retro, not even close. Read the sticky.

Is there an active boycott/petition/whatever going around to send a message, however small, that SquareEnix can most assuredly get fucked?

>>2842686
It's called not buying the game if you aren't interested.

>>2839884
It was an art direction choice inspired by technical limitations. They wanted character heads/faces to be as visible as possible given that they couldn't move the camera dynamically for closeups

>>2842695

This. When has a petition ever worked, you fucking mongs?

>>2840092
Not the guy you're answering, but I also like to play a lot of games from the same series in release order (being stand alone titles or not). Of course if I not having fun with a particular installment I quit, but not before giving it a chance. I just enjoy seeing the progression that a series has over time, regarding writing, gameplay, graphics and etc. Not sure if this is an obsession too, oh well.

>The Gold Saucer part of the game uses real money to trade for game tokens. Prizes from the battle arena and other games are exclusive. The difficulty is artificially maximized to force microtransactions.

>>2842708
>>2842695

Petitions work sometimes, but the point isn't to "work" in this case, what would that even look like at this point? There are no breaks on the rape train. The point would be to show that a dissenting voice exists. Just a lil' fly in the ointment to counteract the impressive amount of shills that SE seems to be paying for.

>>2835852
Likely no dual audio, so dropped immediately. I can't get immersed in weeaboo shit without glorious nipponese voice acting. Not to mention it looks like Crisis Core, which was a mindnumbingly boring shitfest.

>>2843814
Same. Shills are crowing about "Beautiful, professional voice acting, finally, just in time, 10/10!" Sounds like a shitjoke to me. There should be a subs-only option so I don't have to endure the inevitable cringefest that's sure to ensure with the English voice acting. Who am I kidding though, it's not like I'm buying this anyway. FF7 expanded universe is some of the purest cancer known to man, and from what I hear this game will be chock-full of shoehorned retconning.

Game has an ATB system, you just don't see it in the trailer, not that it matters, its going to be shit mostly because of the episodic thing, its like square really is determined to shit on its legacy, we always have the original, but this is an embarrassment

They talk about how they want to do it justice but then do this bullshit, it has to be intentional, there is no way its not

>>2836140
Same way you would In Kingdom Hearts I'd imagine.

>>2836356
*FF 16

>>2844157
MMORPG

Curious about /vr/'s opinion on the game being episodic. Seems most are okay with it.

http://strawpoll.me/6211763

>FF7 remake is using unreal engine 4
IT JUST GETS WORSE EVERY DAY

>>2844148
You know what always fucked me up about Kingdom Hearts at least Codebreaker or w/e? The random battles that ARE turn based.

>>2844262
>http://strawpoll.me/6211763

>Those results.

>>2845773
I was one of the few who voted in favor of it, but I'd still prefer to just wait and have a full release.

As long as each part is a decent length, released in a timely maner and is priced appropriately, I won't be too upset.

Of course this being Square they could always fuck this up, so I'm taking a wait and see approach

>>2844262
I refuse to believe there are even more than a hundred people who post here regularly, let alone the six goddamn hundred people who voted on this alone.

>>2835870

>>2837958
>>2837960
>those noodle arms

shouldn't have done SS, faggot

They've already announced that Tiffa is going to have small C cups as featured in Advent Children; fucking dropped.

Also, remakes are not retro.

Funny to see an RPG where you can't continue the story or gameplay until months later when the new episode is released.

>leave Midgar
>episode 1 ends
>4 months later episode 2 is released
>"Fuck this"

>>2848038
Why are you good with episodes? Please explain it. This is one game they are breaking into many parts just for money. There is no excuse for them not releasing the game all at once in the next 2 years other than money.

You know damn well all these episodes are going to be well over $100 in total when it's all done. And the excuse about to much info on a Blu Ray is horseshit.

I really don't know how Squeenix thinks this "episodic" shit is going to work out.
Imagine if you had to buy the original game, disc by disc, over the course of one year or more? Would anyone be okay with that shit?
Because that's what it sounds like, since they can't make every episode have a self-contained story, so every episode is going to end with a "insert disc X" cliffhanger

Bah, doesn't really matter, they're probably going to fuck up the battle system and materia system anyway

>>2850903

>I really don't know how Squeenix thinks this "episodic" shit is going to work out.

Everyone will lap it up like a hound to week-old flyblown vomit. The modern consumer really is unworthy of even the label "sheeple"; I've met smarter sheep.

>>2836074
Star Ocean combat has always worked pretty damn well, if they have any brains they'll go with something in a similar vein if they insist on going down the action RPG route.

>>2851036
>Everyone will lap it up like a hound to week-old flyblown vomit

I hope sales go like this...

Episode 1: HUGE SALES
Episode 2: Lesser sales
Episode 3: Even lesser etc etc etc

Depending how far apart the episodes are spread over and this being an Action game with gameplay over a Telltale story game I'd be willing to guessing months and months. I can see people getting bored of waiting and forget or stop caring about it.

>>2851057
See here's the way I would have done it. I'd keep the game straight up ATB like the first game but give it a total makeover, I'll try to explain it best I can.

The battle takes place in a giant circle with the enemies spread out across the area. Whenever someone makes an action like attack for example the character runs/walks towards the target and attacks with a slash or whatever and stays in the spot after the the turn is over then if they pick for example someone else they run to that person etc etc.

Basically it's an ATB with the illusion of cinema action scenes on a 3D plain, magic could be cast anywhere.

>>2851150

No thanks, will wait for the inevitable compilation/GOTY version that has everything it should have had right at the beginning and for $10 less, as per usual with anything that threatens season passes/staggered content these days.

>>2851156
So... Skies of Arcadia?

>>2851156
that kinda sounds like what they did in X-2, characters could move but it was completely irrelevant iirc