/vr/ - Retro Games

>>2828308
i really need to get a decent camera, my s6 edge isn't cutting it

>>2828218
>Are all PVM/BVMs capable of taking a component signal as well as RGB?

older PVMs often don't do component
most PVMs do though.

BVMs all do, afaik

pantsu > nopan

>>2828308
I really wish we could just have one thread about all gaming displays. This board is supposed to be for games but these days half of it is shit fights over monitors. If you're not going to take it to /g/ where it should be, at least keep it to one thread.

>>2828336

No

>>2828345
I know you won't because everyone here gets all butthurt if someone isn't playing on the kind of monitor they prefer, but these threads are flooding out ones that are actually about games and shouldn't be on this board at all.

>>2828350
>a single topic general that gets made maybe 1-2 times a week is flooding out other threads
>isn't actually about games

No

>>2828350
There's always been a crt thread on vr.

There's never more than the current one and the old one about to be pruned.

It's typically civil in here. The other trolling threads are just that.

Anyone know how you find the operating hour timer on a PVM-20L5?

>>2828443

iirc you need the remote but someone feel free to correct me

This is to the Anon from the last thread that stated he'd possibly help me out if I ran into issues with aquiring a working key for the drawer of a bvm/pvm.

I called the locksmith the past few days finally answered today, and he has stated he wouldnt be able to make a key based on the photograph, he is the only locksmith I know of in the area unfortunately so I dont know where else to go.

>>2828308
LEWD
E
W
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>>2828536

He could probably drill out the lock and then replace it with something he does have a key for

>>2828548
True, I was able to contact another locksmith about a town over, and he said he might be able to help. So ill be going there tomorrow.

>>2828548
And I was hoping to keep the orginial lock for the sake of being universal say I was to get another one if that didnt have a key for some reason or another.

>>2828542
This has been shopped. I can tell by some of the pixels.

>>2828319
>>2828218
There are lower end PVMs that won't do either, leaving you with composite and maybe s-video.

BVMs are dependent on what option cards are installed, but cards that support RGB are almost always going to support YPbPr along the same lines.

I'd usually ask this in the repair thread, but there doesn't seem to be one up at the moment:

Anyone know why I'd be getting buzzing on just the left channel of the Sega Genesis when pulling from an AV panel connection, but not off the headphone jack? Pic related to clarify what I mean.

By buzzing, I don't mean along with the audio, I mean JUST buzzing.

I've already checked for shorts to ground or power, but there just doesn't seem to be anything there. It could be from the incredibly cheap SCART cable I'm using, which I did have to open up in order to add resistors to, but I won't be able to test that theory for a few days. Finally decided to order one from retro_console_accessories.

Nes composite -> PVM ->ikegami
Using the cheapest RCA cables I own. Slot mask sure looks terrible up close

>>2828660
*Shadow mask

>>2828630
I opted for RCA jacks instead of mini-DIN. What did you use for composite sync?

>>2828664
Not the guy you replied to. but there is a variant of shadow mask called slot mask. You're correct to say that his is not one, though technically a shadow mask can be a slot mask. I'm going to call it a 'dot mask' for lack of a good term.

>>2828669
I didn't feel like ordering RCA connectors (plan to at some point though)or cut holes in the case, so I opted to kill one of my terrible Model 2s and steal its mini din.

As of right now, everything is just jumped off of the bottom of the original AV connector.
Just pulling regular composite video for sync to keep compatibility with the various RF cables I have laying around(as well as this cable). Thinking about it now though, I may end up having to tear all that glue off when the new cable gets here and connect up the sync line; Something I meant to do but the whole audio problem made me forget about.

Is the Model 1 seriously so power hungry that it actually needs both of those 7805s?

>>2828673
>I'm going to call it a 'dot mask' for lack of a good term.
Tri-dot?

>>2828673
>I'm going to call it a 'dot mask' for lack of a good term.
I personally referred these as delta mask, as these dots and electron guns are in a triangle formation and I think I have read something CRT related which also used the same term.

>>2828683
I stole RCA connectors from a dead AV receiver. It's a gold mine for them!

I actually think it might be that power-hungry. I believe you might be able to get away with switching regulator replacements, because they both (as I understand it) power different parts of the board.

The Genesis has two discrete CPU's (the 68000 and Z80) so I wouldn't be too shocked if the second regulator is just for the 68000 (the more powerful of the two CPU's). I don't even KNOW what those two sega SMD chips do, but I bet at least one of them's a power hogging graphics processor.

I had to remove the bottom RF shield piece until I get a chance to dremel away a small section of it, in order to pass the wires up and around the PCB. Hoping just the top RF shield part will be enough to dissipate that heat for now.

I'm the guy who showed that pic near the end of last thread of the 'buffer' sync method. If you can get the other method working, that'd be awesome, but I had no luck and my PVM syncs to my signal from the buffer just fine. I recommend it. (see: >>2827402 and >>2827391 )

>>2828691
Sounds like a better term to me. I think I read the same thing.

>>2828630
>I'd usually ask this in the repair thread, but there doesn't seem to be one up at the moment
Is there usually one? Seems to me that repair could be covered in the CRT general. Otherwise it would just be people wanking over scanlines and such.


Speaking of which... Found a guy selling a PVM-20L5, but he says it's got an "issue". Apparently the image bobs up and down quickly after being turned on, but occasionally slows and even stops over time. Any idea what this issue is? The guy used it for gaming himself, so he presumably tried all of the menu settings, but you never know. I'd like to low-ball him on it if it's an easy fix.

>>2828356
this. It's pretty tame in the retro display thread...Dont get why all the shit
>>2828336
not saying you're shit posting. I think a one display thread might work maybe.

>>2828683
model 1 68k is HMOS and pretty power hungry.

>>2828696
A unified hardware thread, for both displays and consoles alike would be neat, and the activity of the CRT Thread would help to keep them alive (it's rare for them to hit 100 posts let alone 200 before they fall off) but at that point you'd have to worry about stepping on each others' toes.

>>2828695
The cable I bought is one of the raw "boosted" sync ones, so it should already have a buffer in the cable.

Shit, I just realized something. That's going to need the 5v pin, and I snipped that pretty short to keep it from getting bridge over to blue; I'm either going to have a whole heap of fun getting that connected, need to order a replacement minidin, or butcher my other shitty Model 2.

>>2828554
Sounds good. I srsly can't believe you called the guy in your town first though. And after that that you didn't just tell him you understand it might not work but you'll pay him to give it a crack.

I have a 3-week-old baby and a job, and I'd prefer not to have to send you keys :)

>>2828319
Some older BVM's don't take component and don't have option cards. That'd be the 2000AP and back.

Pretty much anything newer will have come with the RGB/Component card, but that doesn't n it hasn't died or n removed before you get there.

>>2828729
>need to order a replacement minidin
i ordered some once, they weren't compatable with the genesis cables, very strange.

they were advertised as being sega genesis 9pin minidins...

so be careful. i got them from surplus sales of nebraska, online. they just told me to keep them and refunded my money.

>>2828810
Doing research it would appear that the mega drive/genesis model 2 uses standard 9 pin mini-DIN. I only have a model 1 and can't confirm this. Still, I bet you got a proprietary connector from some other system.

>>2828804
Don't think you can easily remove the rgb/yuv card in a bvm. They're hard-wired unlike the optional sdi cards.

Certainly can't in my 20F1E and 20G1E.

Why does this TV say S-Video on it when it doesn't have S-Video input?

Does anyone use their CRT not just for retro gaming, but for watching TV shows and movies as well?

>>2829091
Not currently but planing on using to watch old vhs tapes. Possibly earlier dvds as well. Trying to find a decent VCR atm.

>>2829091
Before my 27HS420 started being finicky, it was my main TV, so it was being used for TV as well as new gen consoles.

>>2829091

Well I kind of collect anime VHS tapes

>>2829091
Yes.
I connected my 14" Trinitron via VGASCART as secondary monitor (to my PC) to watch that stuff, as well using it for viewing text and documents with (resolution) limitations.
I'm using InterFrame (AviSynth script) to double the framerate on the fly but it only works if isn't wider than ~750 pixels which isn't a real issue for me.
It's much better than the (dated) 21" SXGA TFT monitor which I use as primary monitor, except for the resolution.

>>2829091
I used to watch video tapes on my CRT, but I started watching them on my computer monitor instead when I got a TV tuner card.

Managed to locate the model number of the drawer key.

For anyone who cares: 4-378-901-01

Unfortunately its no longer for sale through any of sonys regular suppliers. Not to mention they wanted around $50 for one key.

>>2829146

Considering it's to a several thousand dollar professional monitor $50 for a key sounds about right

>>2829068
1 plastic mold, then holes are drilled if the model needs it.

I found out that calibrating the geometry of one display mode of a CRT monitor (besides being like playing with a Rubik's cube in itself) tends to fuck up the geometry of other previously calibrated modes. WTF is this, a joke?

>>2829202
No, it's physics of electrons and magnetic fields in vacuums.

It's possible to get nearly everything right, except geometry will never be 100% perfect. The curvature of a CRT is meant to minimize the issue this presents. Get it good enough and you won't notice it anymore.

>>2829234
Misread that, ignore that post.

Different signals can appear at different locations on the screen and behave differently. Geometry is not set on an input-specific level on most TV's. Get it looking good on one and it will look 'close enough' on others.

>>2829234
>>2829239
It's a monitor, not a TV set. What I mean is that calibrating the geometry (mainly horizontal/vertical size/position, pincushion etc.) of a certain mode (i.e. resolution/refresh rate combination) seems to have adverse effects on the calibration of other modes previously calibrated (such as calibrate 1024x768@85Hz, then calibrate a few other resolutions, then switch again to 1024x768@85Hz only to find out it is somewhat misaligned again, but differently than it was to begin with).

Is the amount of calibrated modes that a monitor can remember limited (and significanlty lower than the total number of modes it supports) and does it cycle them if it runs out?

Also, how does it remember calibration settings anyway? Don't tell me there's a little piece of NVRAM that's backed up by a battery buried somewhere deep within the monitor that will run out eventually and make the monitor forget everything and decalibrate totally once unplugged from power.

>>2829156
Yeah the price that way doesnt seem bad but its cheap lock and only ever one key was made that im aware. So it was mass produced making the $50 price a definite money grab.

>>2829119
>VGASCART
Is there something that would do the opposite? I.e. that would allow to connect a cable that goes into a SCART port into a VGA port instead? Example: use a SNES Multiout/SCART cable, and then use /thing/ to connect that to a monitor's VGA input.

>>2829269
every accessory and spare in the professional equipement world is a money grab.

>>2829091
Yeah, I watch TV and movies on mine.

>>2829116
I collect anime laser discs myself. Also a couple that never were re-released or released on laser disc I have on VHS (the original Yu-Gi-Oh! series from Toei for example).


And Han shot first.

What are my options for s-video in and under 16"

>>2829281
Most 14 inch PVM's.
Also most consumer CRT's made after around 1996. Some before then too.

And the commodore monitors with Y/C input, though you'll need a s-video breakout adapter for it.

>>2829269
Why not just break the lock? I'm not sure what this goes to, but if it's just a drawer on a monitor for accessing trimmers, why not?

>>2829286
(alternatively, on toolboxes I've had luck picking locks before. Might want to give that a go! I've even done it with paperclips.)

>>2829283
14" tvs with svideo are gonna be pretty damn rare. You're gonna have better luck with 20" and above.

>>2829280
laserdiscs are cool but I almost never see them in the wild. VHS I can just go to any thrift store or flea market and find stuff like Macross Plus The Movie, Cyber City Oedo, Demon City Shinjuku, etc for like $1

>>2829286
>>2829289
I could easily cut the bit of metal that the retaining bar is being held by therefore letting the drawer completely open but im trying to avoid damage (id like to use the lock for its intended purpose) and i could try picking it although im no lockpick by any means.

>>2829116
This is some hipster weeb shit right here.

>>2829367
>complaining about hipsters and weebs in a crt general on a retro video game board on a chinese cartoon website

>>2828356
There's always been murder so I guess it's ok now right? Retard...

>>2829367
Maybe they just enjoy the artwork on the covers. You rarely have neat stuff like this going on media formats after VHS anymore.

>>2829384

The aesthetic is kind of appealing as well. Like how some people prefer composite

>>2828443
Only BVMs have timers. My 14L5 doesn't have one, even in the service menu.

>>2829370
Not complaining. Just noting. He can like whatever he wants.

>ill never own an msx monitor

Feels bad

>>2829453
Why not, anon? Surely it will happen if you believe in your dreams...

>>2829458

Well technically I could, but I don't feel like spending several thousand dollars on 30 year old used monitor

>>2829091
I use an 8" PVM for PS3. It's awesome.

>>2828887
Didn't know that. I realise those cards tend to come as stock, but thought they could be removed.

>>2829462
And why is this particular monitor so pricey? Besides the fact that it's clearly a handsome piece of machinery.

>>2829091
I watch anime on my 37" monitor sometimes. The letterboxing on wide screen content is a convenient place for subtitles.

>>2829474

Scarcity and demand I'd imagine. Probably easier to find if you live in Japan

>>2829091
27" sony trinitron

PS3, netflix and even modern pc games because I like that fucking TV

>>2829091
I've been using a 21" Panasonic Panablack I found at my mom's house because my TV died and I don't have the budget to buy a new one. Works pretty good for playing SNES and watching news from time to time.

Picture related, it's the only one I found on google.

>>2828071

I just stumbled on another source of PVM's in Brissie. Probably some 9" stuff. The owner of the place is going to get back to me and i'll probably be able to post some details.

How good is the brand "Advent"? A friend of mine has one laying around, and wondered how good the brand is.

>>2829091
I went full crt, 3 trini monitors, and a widescreen Wega hooked up to the HDDVR. Cartoon network looks pretty nice at 1080i over component.

The PVM and Wega both came from the local goodwill, and the PC monitors off local craigslist. Always be vigilant crt hunters!

>>2829303
I had never lockpicked before I tried it with two paperclips and I got a craftsman toolbox unlocked. It's doable, just takes time and a lot of poking around.

>>2829848
Plus one for the Model M keyboard plus ten for the PVM, minus several thousand for the widescreen WEGA.

>>2829967
>minus several thousand for the widescreen WEGA.
Not him, but those 1080i trinitron sets are pretty great for HD video

>>2829969
My PVM-20L5's better

>>2829969
Then why has he got a 480i N64 attached to it? Hmm?

>>2829970
Did you get it... for free?

>>2829972
Since you asked, yes I did. Volunteered at a PBS station a few times and got it free when I asked the station engineer about CRT's.

That makes a few threads in a row now, sorry again other anon.

>>2829971
>Then why has he got a 480i N64 attached to it? Hmm?
I didn't notice, but my point still stands. And n64 is not 480i.

>>2829970
The L5 is smaller. Especially for wide screen.

>>2829974
>smaller
...but better. And it doesn't upscale EVERYTHING to 1080i.

The N64 can do 240p AND 480i. It has modes for both. Same with the SNES though very little on the SNES ever used 480i.

>>2829974
but the N64 is most definitely not 1080i, so my point stands.

>>2829985
Fixed it for you, jackass.

Do it yourself next time.

>>2829992
I don't know how that happened

>>2829993
FUCK YOOOUUU

>>2829997
It's called a rotation EXIF tag and it's something 4chan removes when posting because it's cancer. The fix is to do it right the first time by posting it from a computer after checking rotation with software and rotating it or using a tool like jpegtran.

>>2829998
What the fucking fuck

>>2830000
Oh my god, quads guys!

>>2830001
fuck.

>>2829998
>>2829993
>>2829992
>>2829985
Nice shadow mask btw. If it weren't sideways I'd like it.

You guys wanna hate me even more? We'll get ready!

>>2830004
Thanks dude

>>2830006
*well
Could your use of a cell phone be any more clear than you've already made it with your shit posting and bad pics?

>>2830009
Nope not all

>>2830013
*not at all

>>2830014
I told you

Alright I'm done haha

>>2829967
>>2829969
It's a fantastic set, kv-34xbr960. Cream of the crop for consumer model CRTs. Highest resolution it can support is 1440x1080i, as with all HD CRTs it cannot into 240p, and is best suited to 6th gen and higher games. Currently it's only hooked up to the HDDVR and the PS3, both through component at 1080i. All my SD consoles would connect to the pvm-2030 in the corner.

N64 is a hold-out from my old tv, a kv-32fs120.

>>2829970
The L5 is definitely better than the 2030 for retro, but for HD content I'd prefer the bigger screen of the wega

>>2829479
They're easy to find, but surprisingly expensive, even here.

>>2829091
yeah, i probably use it more for that than games. i have a little 9" next to my main pc with with an old laptop hooked up to it through s-video. i disabled the laptop's screen and tucked it away on a shelf, and just share my main pc's mouse and keyboard with it via synergy. i mostly use it for watching 4:3 content like old anime or tv shows, but also for streams and youtube sometimes as well.

Decided to whip out my SNES and see what it looks like on my CRT.
Ended up playing a bit of Super Mario World was a lot of fun but then this happened out of nowhere.

>>2829848
>PVM from goodwill
What the fuck? I feel like these things just fall into everyone's lap, while I've been hunting for years to find a good one, close by, at a decent price.

>>2829479
It's you!

>>2830202
>at a decent price

They're cheaper than a not-shit LCD monitor

so I'm playing ffvii on my ps2, but 50hz is a pain.
i have GSM for my ps2 as it's softmodded, but when i force NTSC or PAL60 , the game gets squashed into a small 16:9 ration, even when the ps2 is set to 4:3 or fullscreen

any workaround ?

i tried just playing it with POPstarter but it doesnt work, and I don't have a slim to do swaptrick to play a burnt ntsc copy

>>2830064
What kind of shelves for the vinyl?

>>2829367
get out

>>2830319
Decent 20" ones rarely come up for less than $300, and that's usually nowhere near me. Everyone seems to talk like these things are just lying around in abundance, but everyone I try to buy from acts like they're selling the ark of the covenant. I end up walking away, and they don't care, because some other retro-hipster-faggot always ends up overpaying and justifying these assholes and their price gouging. I probably could have had one by now if I was okay with overpaying, but I'm not, especially when I'm usually looking at buying from across the country.

How much did everyone else pay? I always hear number below $100 being bragged about, but I have never, in my years of searching on craigslist or ebay, seen one go for anywhere near that cheap. It's extremely annoying.

Asking again, since I got no answer in the last thread. Possibly going to look at a PVM-20L5 that suffers from the image rapidly bobbing up and down after being powered on. It eventually slows, and occasionally stops, according to the seller. Any idea what might be causing that? Is it an easy fix?

>>2829273
A linedoubler (15khz to 31khz) is that what you're looking for.
Finding one that does nothing but double the lines without scaling might be difficult, building one does require to know exactly how video works as well how to use phase locked loops and some special (sequential) memory chips and good video ADCs and DACs.

Why are 75 ohm BNC angle adapters so rare or expensive. Can only find 50 ohm ones

>>2829973

hey thanks for that test pattern dvd anon, it was super helpfull.

>>2830332
got a 14L5 for 80 off craigslist. the guy was asking 250. just look for eqipment resellers and wharehouses. avoid ebay, prices are too high and i havent seen any in these threads that made it through shipping without damage.

I keep seeing Sony PVM monitors that run on 120 Volt, is that standard?
Or do they come with a power supply in Europe because I obviously can't plug 'em in the 230 volt outlets in my house.

>>2830507
Where do you live? I have come across some decent deals on 14 inchers, but I know from past experience that I would eventually yearn for 20.

Well I was able to find someone who had the actual keys in stock, and purchased 2 of them so I should have them in about 3 days or so.

Also learned that the key in universal across brands as well, Ikegamis etc. all used the same lock.

>>2829280
>star wars laserdiscs
Interesting.
Were those discs minted before George Lucas started molesting the fuck out of his IP?

It might be worth getting a copy of the original trilogy for archival if they are.
Oh but wait, do LDs have region encoding/locks?

>>2829068
There was an option for that TV for SVIDEO and probably a whole slew of other inputs. Usually if you take apart a model like that the reference sheet will point out all the possible inputs.

Sometimes it's as easy as just soldering on a new jack, but in most cases you'll find that an entire subsection of the board was left blank with empty holes for various components.

>>2830343
Did he fuck with the v-hold setting?

>>2830572
Not sure. I will obviously check this. I did some googling and found some other people on various boards complaining about the same issue. All were answered with "just buy an LCD), so the problems were never really solved. Might possibly be some loose solder or something, but the fact that the jumping stops after it warms up makes me think it may be something else. Dunno.

>>2830562
The tapes before the special edition and the laser discs are the only unaltered versions. There is the GOUT DVD release but that is just a poor transfer of the laser disc anyway. I'm not sure if there were minor changes between the theatrical release and the home release. If there is it is nothing as big as the special edition changes. I just watched Harmy's despecialized edition recently. Pretty good.

>>2830606
>If there is it is nothing as big as the special edition changes
Thank Christ for that. I dunno what version my room-mate downloaded, but I had to get up and leave the room when the big alien musical number started in RotJ.

Gonna be expensive sourcing a PAL/NTSC player in Australia but it'll be worth it to have the original trilogy in the highest quality.
Hopefully I can find a theatrical release of Blade Runner too because my non-director's cut VHS rip looks like shit.

>>2830623
Check out Harmy's despecialized edition sometime.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHfLX_TMduY

>>2830516
some are fixed to 120 or 230v
some have a switch to select between, like on some PC power supplies
some are entirely automatic and will accept anything.

>>2830634
That actually looks pretty damn good.
Thanks for the heads up, and for the other LD info.

>>2830507
how the hell do you talk someone down from 250 to 80 on craigslist?

>>2830837
They must have really wanted to get rid of the thing, I guess.

>>2830837

git gud

>>2830837
Crack addictions.

>>2830837
Probably depends more on the seller. Some sellers take the tactic of asking a really high price on the off chance that some person comes along and takes it, when in their mind they are planning to sell for much less. On the other hand there are the "I know what it's worth" sellers who truly believe in their pricing.

>>2830837
make offer and end with "have fun sitting on that cube"

Meme monitor knowledge at non-meme prices!

>>2830892

A lot of collectors are fine with just moving stuff for what they paid for it

>>2830892
Please tell me you got this?

>>2830908

I already have a 14L5 and 14MU, plus a 9" Ikegami Pro monitor. No space!

If anyone needs one, though, set up Craigslist alerts with IFTTT.com. I had this one in my inbox an hour after it was posted.

>>2830837
I got a blue n64 and a handful of meh games for $35 they were asking $80. Just low ball and sometimes they take it.

>>2830892
>I watched laserdisc movies on it

>>2831097
What? You don't collect Laser-Disc?

>>2831107

there's a movie on there heh

>>2829453
I found one on craigslist for $175. Not paying that fucking much... maybe $20.

>>2831246
>fingerprints
ew

>>2831273

He's a rich german drug dealer living in Utah in the 80s he doesn't give a fuck

Hey, /CRT/, what's in the box?

>>2831325

electronic material

>>2831325
Stone cold steve austin

>>2831325
A monitor that the delivery service managed to damage or even destroy anyway despite all the warning stickers?

Christ, this thing is big.

Fuck it, here it is. My phone is shit because I spent all my money on CRTs.

dammit, all bnc stuff on ebay is 50 ohm, 75 ohm stuff is expensive as fuck

Family photo. PVM 5041Q, BVM 8045QD, PVM 14L5, BVM D20F1U.

the sewer part of ff7 was so dark i had to switch over to composite mode to see the part where you jump down, everything is WAYYYYYYYYYY brighter when you're not in rgb mode.

>>2831351
>>2831361
>>2831371
How many hours and how much moneys?

>>2831363
Why do you want these?

This thread is pure autism.

>>2831531
MODS! They're in my SAFE SPACE.

>>2831449
those text boxs look bad

>>2831371
Could you make that picture blurrier please? I can still kind of make out what I'm supposed to be looking at.

>>2830064
>as with all HD CRTs it cannot into 240p
If you ignore the -L5 CRT's, sure. Good for higher definition content, but sucky for retro video games, the subject of this board. It's still crap for the N64 you have hooked to it. Move it to a better set for it... please. Just use that for blu-rays and the like.
>>2830494
>hey thanks for that test pattern dvd anon, it was super helpfull.
Glad to hear it. If you found it missing something you needed, let me know. I'm always updating that disc.

Got a dead 'junk' super famicom in the mail today, swapped in a new fuse and now it's working good as new. Cost me $6.95.Here's a quick pic of some of my systems now.

>>2831685
And a CRT pic!

>>2830562
Pictured is a VHS tape of star wars, sadly. I don't have the laser discs for it. But yes, they were before Lucas molested them.

Also, some group scanned and released a 35mm scan of the Empire Strikes Back in 1080p on a few torrent sites a while back. Called the 'grindhouse' release I believe. They're doing the original Star Wars next.

>>2831685
The N64 isn't hooked up to it. And L5s can handle 1080i, but what's the point? It's only a 20-inch screen, and the viewable size for widescreen content is even smaller. Now, if you had a BVM-D32E1WU, I'd be impressed

CRT threads are so autistic.

Not that I'm complaining.

>>2831712
>only 20 inches
>what's the point?
It looks fucking amazing, that's the point. I wouldn't expect you to know since you don't have one.

>>2831712
>>2831721
Should mention also that based on the photos of your rooms from the other thread, you don't really have space for the 5 or 6 CRT's you had. A smaller one would do you good. And sitting that close to such a large screen isn't really ideal.

>>2831742
rotate it right you faggot.

Also
>image.jpg
>expecting iOS to just work

>>2831745
it shows fine on my phone, fuck it.

>>2831750
Great. The world at large disagrees though.

How do you fix rotation on a phone?
When I post in /b/ I don't have a problem.

>>2831629
you look bad, anon

>>2831246
Thiiiis is a laserdisc!

>>2832003
>I was a longtime CRT fanatic
>watched this show as it was airing
>this this dude

Do the advantages of a CRT (great black levels, accurate color reproduction, very fast response time) go to shit over time?

I received a CRT which upon closer inspection has relatively poor black (not as poor as an LCD but nowhere near what is should be, gotta set brightness very low for black to resemble actual black, and very dark tones become indistinguishable then), the colors are very slightly (but noticably once you find out) greeninsly-tinted, and green color smears (i.e. fast motion results in greeninsh trails visible on dark background, and generally motion blur otherwise).

I wonder whether there's even a point in using this monitor given that all the supposed CRT advantages are non-existent. It's a 22 inch and the power usage is easily triple of what a similarly sized LCD would use, with even worse black, but no smearing and no tint (given it's a modern and not an ancient LCD monitor). The CRT was very cheap, but still kinda pointless it seems with all the flaws.

>>2832268
Yes, CRTs do wear out. Some were also just poorly built in the first place. Those trails you're talking about are usually called "ghosting" and are a common symptom of a tired tube. You can't judge the entire format based on one bad apple.

Not /vr/

>>2832281
Thanks. I didn't mean to say that CRTs were crap in general, I kinda know what their strengths are, but the specimen I picked up unfortunately seems to be a disappointment. Thus, I wanted to clarify if these flaws are to be expected to set in over time.

While the poor black can kinda be worked around a bit by going to RGB settings and pushing the brightness of each individual color up a bit (the black level stays the same, while white level and contrast improves somewhat) and the very slight greenish flair (mostly apparent with greys which aren't really neutral grey but a little bit greenish) probably can be alleviated by reducing green a tiny bit in RGB settings, I have no clue if and how the smearing/trailing/ghosting/however-you-call-it could be improved upon. Curiously it's mostly also green color that leaves the trails and as such causes motion blur and inhibits smoothness of animation (which CRTs are normally very good at afaik).

Btw it's a Gateway VX1120 (which is a Gateway-branded Mitsubishi 2060u as far as I could tell). Is there anything that could be done to alleviate the flaws (especially the trailing/smearing)?

>>2832281
>tfw I get ghosting on some of my monitors
W-well of course a white sprite on a black background is going to ghost to an extent. Doesn't mean my tube is dying does it?! ;-;

>>2830934
>set up Craigslist alerts with IFTTT.com
I was going to do this until I realized that I check CL for CRTs more often than I check my email. But thanks for the link

So what's an affordable, good gaming CRT TV/monitor?

>>2832351
cute :3

>>2832351

Depends on what your resources are. Most people on say, ebay tend to know what they have and shipping heavy items is expensive.

Try looking for something with local pickup within reasonable distance

>>2832351
any trinitron with at least s-video.
If you're in yurop, answer becomes "any trinitron."
assuming no obvious default of course.

>>2832362
Careful. Don't want to accidentally get a 100Hz TV.

I was wondering, are there any specific PVM monitors to look out for?
Cause I found a couple in my area that I can check out but obviously there isn't much choice, I was already glad to find a PVM at all with all the inputs like RGB and Component.

Honestly, they are quite rare and 20 bucks is no pain for a PVM 1351q, right?

>>2832362
>any trinitron
>implying shadow masks are inherently bad and cannot be decent

I have a sony PVM and this little thing and I like the shadow mask more.

>>2832397
I would definitely pick up a PVM-1351q for $20.

It's only 450 TVL, but it's still a very nice monitor with RGB and YPbPr inputs. Well worth the money, though don't expect obscenely wide black space between lines. I prefer thicker video lines anyway, so that'll look great I bet.
S

>>2832331
Crank down your contrast. White should not bloom like you're describing. Use SMPTE color bars.

I'll post my test DVD with them again. There are guides to calibrating CRT's with color bars all over the internet. Be sure you use a guide for CRT's and not for LCD's.

>>2832416
I had shadow masks all my life. Only recently I got a trini (after getting another shadow mask), and I can't get back on shadow mask.

>>2832416
Did you SEE how good >>2832447 looked!?
Most shadow masks are 'meh'. There are broadcast quality shadow masks that look fantastic though.
Have another example.

>>2832470
Comparison to my PVM-20L5 (same 1CHIP SNES used in both pics, but the 20L5 pic was taken later in the game so I have a different shield and gloves).

Not going to say I don't like my PVM, but I prefer my shadow mask Panasonic BT-H1390YN. Also, those and the JVC BM-1400pn that is the exact same set with a different branding are much cheaper than PVM's.

I don't have a 14 inch PVM to compare it to, though. Sorry.

>>2832470
Yes I've seen it, in previous thread also. I've also experienced numerous PC shadow masks, which look a lot like those shadow mask video monitors. I would still rather have ap grille.

>>2832323
Bump. Any way to revigorate a much-used (apparently) tube?

>>2832541
You can't improve phosphor fade times besides by using a different CRT with different phosphor kinds. the trailing isn't a real big problem. The extra dark phosphors used on some PC tubes appear closer to black when unlit but have longer fade times.


Assuming this is a PC CRT just because I never notice it on TV's with SMPTE C phosphors.

If you have a tube that's way too dim, you can use a vacuum tube rejuvenator but it will shorten the life of the tube.

This 'greenish tint' is something that I have noticed on my CPD-100SF sony PC monitor and is another issue with the black looking phosphors in the tube. SMPTE-C phosphors are way better for color accuracy but look grayer in ambient light than they do black. You can somewhat fix the green tint in software with a color profile for your monitor and calibration software.

>>2832541
I still am not sure what makes you say it's much-used. Take a photo of it that shows your problem and I can offer better suggestions than I did here >>2832592 .

Thoughts on 8 inch pvms? I can get two for $100. Is the screen just too small or is it comfy. I'm fine sitting just a few feet away.

>>2832618
Check to see if their models have HR trinitron tubes. I have one of those and it's very sharp looking and ultra-comfy. Put it on a desk and you can do some good 240p on it. If they're not HR then just leave em.

>>2832618
yer, model no.s?

>>2832618
two 8 inchers for $100 is a bit much. I'd love an 8 inch PVM but I wouldn't pay over $20-30 for one used or $50 for one if it was in perfect condition.

I got my PVM's for almost nothing (around $30 total) and they're both 20 inches though, so I may not be the average case. But $100 for two 8 inch ones is far too much.

>>2832650
$100 for that? I'd get a 14 inch one for a desk at that price because you can find 14 inchers for that much.

>>2832530
>I'd still rather have aperture grille
Care to explain why?

Also, PC CRT's with shadow masks that I've seen are far dimmer than this and less focused. They also have bigger phosphors.

>>2832596
It would be rather difficult to capture the described issues in a photo.

In this thread about the Sony FW900 it says

>Initial Setup Panic? "Image Restore" to the Rescue!
>When you first unpack and power up your monitor, do not worry if black levels and color are way off. Let it warm up for about 30 minutes. After thirty minutes in the powered-on state (don't let the monitor enter "sleep" mode), the "Image Restore" option becomes available under the "Expert" and "sRGB" color settings menu. Set your preferred color temperature in the Expert area and then activate the "Image Restore" option. Your colors should then "pop" into place. Edit: its also good to turn up the monitors Brightness setting before running Image restore, For example I normally run mine at around 25 but before running Image restore Ill turn it up to 50, Then back down after running it. Doing this normally gives the brightness setting a wider range, especially if you're currently having to run the monitor at a low brightness setting to achieve good black levels.

>Green Tinge?
>If you notice a "green tinge" to greys and blacks, do the "Image Restore" procedure above. But first, raise the Brightness setting for your monitor appreciably above where you'd normally like it. Then, do the "Image Restore" operation.

Too bad the 2060u-based monitors don't seem to have an "image restore function". I guess if something can be done, it would be carefully examining the settings in the factory mode menu, as described here:

http://forum.eserviceinfo.com/viewtopic.php?t=2395

Also, much further into the hardforums FW900 thread it is said

>the brightness was lower than it should have been and to compensate meant to lose blacks.

which is pretty much the first issue with my monitor that I described. Maybe the factory mode menu can help to address this somehow.

>>2832793
Didn't include the actual link to the hardforum FW900 thread I quoted, it's

http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=952788

>crt jew

>>2832793
The 'image restore' function will do something to the tube settings and without knowing what 'image restore' actually means I cannot comment on how to fix it on an unrelated monitor. This function may even exist as an automatic setting but not under the name 'image restore'.

You should also calibrate this thing properly and not use support threads concerning an unrelated screen in all ways except that they're both CRT's. Different manufacturer means different OSD software and different issues. If you had a FW900 that would be a good thread.

>>2832825
Sure the the monitors are different. I referenced the Sony monitor thread as it is clear from what is said in it that the poor black levels and greenish tinge phenomena are some known issues, and are fixable at least on the Sony monitor, thus might also be on a monitor based on a Mitsubishi tube, albeit in somewhat different ways (which this thread http://forum.eserviceinfo.com/viewtopic.php?t=2395 about the latter's factory mode I mentioned as well also seems to be hinting at).

>>2832829
I have a sony CPD-100sf that I sometimes notice a green tint on. The brightness I eventually got to a good place though.

If I could find results that weren't saying 'check your cable' then I would help more. :(

>>2832770
because I tested both and I like grille better, for reasons inherent to the tech itself.

>>2832903
>reasons inherent to the tech itself
meaning??
I assumed the reasons were inherent to the technology, otherwise there's no reason to choose one over the other. Explain what these reasons are.

>>2832904
go to wikipedia if you need reasons.
I ate +30years of shadow mask. Never had the chance to own a trini nor I di know the tech behind the name. Now I do and I understand all the praise back then.

>>2832908
The reasons on wikipedia aren't present on all CRT's that have compensation circuitry (especially blooming and doming). Your refusal to demonstrate why you dislike ALL shadow masks regardless of the quality of certain specimens is making it clear to me that I can ignore your opinions.

Link to the wikipedia article that shows these issues, if you're too lazy to actually give specific reasons that you yourself dislike shadow masks.

In news, I finally got to gluing down the deflection yoke after fixing convergence on my 20L5 and have the silicone caulk stuff curing now!

>>2833031
Considering you've done (what I'd call) a decent amount of work on the yoke of a PVM, could you point out exactly what one might need to adjust purity?
I did some adjustments on my 20M2MDU for convergence, but I'm hoping I might be able to fix the discoloration in one spot of my 14M2MDU rather than depending an old speaker to bring it back into line.

>>2833057
>Considering you've done (what I'd call) a decent amount of work on the yoke of a PVM, could you point out exactly what one might need to adjust purity?
>I did some adjustments on my 20M2MDU for convergence, but I'm hoping I might be able to fix the discoloration in one spot of my 14M2MDU rather than depending an old speaker to bring it back into line.

Sure!


If you haven't loosened the yoke so you can move it yet, be warned it is an EXTREMELY frustrating thing to get back on right. Also note that you have to take off two or 3 metal bands, and don't force anything. Pull the neckboard off (it's socketed, it should pop off like any vacuum tube socket if you've ever used one), and don't let it short to anything metal. next, unscrew and pull off any metal bands clamping things to the tube neck, after marking where they were with a marker or something. If the yoke won't come loose after removing ALL the restraints like the metal bands, put the TV face-down and twist on the yoke while pulling up and it should come unstuck. Don't cut cables like this guy, but do follow the twisting method like he does: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdVu02F3wnY

If you need to pull it off, don't apply sideways pressure to the tube neck - it's the most fragile part. It won't blow up in your face if you do break it (probably), but you will be out a CRT and I don't know if you can find a replacement without buying a whole other PVM.

To be continued in next post.

Bah. There was a place not too far from me selling a handful of BVMs for $450. That was too pricey for their age, so I low-balled them. Got declined, but the next day they lowered their prices by 60 bucks. Was hoping to wait them out, but since the price drop, half of them have already been bought up by impatient fuckers. This is why I can never find these fucking things. Still waiting for one at this supposed, mythical, actual value of $100 or so.

>>2833084
If you've gotten the yoke loose you need to move it up and down the length of the neck until you can get a pure image. I sent a pure white RGB signal to my monitor, but only plugged in the red and sync connections so I could see if the red channel was pure. I saw a blue spot in a corner but was able to fix it by pushing the yoke closer to the front of the tube.

Convergence rings are on the back of the yoke and may help more if you can't move the yoke close enough to the front to totally fix it. In fact, I recommend you mark the rings and then try moving them first, before messing with loosening up the yoke, if you can. It is really, really painful to get the yoke secured back in a good position.

If you need more instructions, if I said something unclear (which is probable because I accidentally erased and had to re-type about half of this message), let me know. I can get you photos or anything short of readjusting the yoke again myself. I don't want to do it a second time. -_-

I can open up my monitor and show you pics, though. Also I can try to elaborate or simplify or mark anything on the tube if it helps.

>>2833091
Best to go out and hunt them actively. I get them the best when I go to places I think might be using them that HAVEN'T listed anything. TV studios, engineering companies, software companies (not that there are many in my area), those kinds of things. I find a lot of cool stuff in places like that. Even places with security monitors, though those are more likely to have burn in problems.

Good luck on a BVM, though. I've got a couple PVM's and still want a really nice BVM for the limitless adjustments you can do.

>>2833057
p.s. where on the screen is this spot? if it's in a corner, that was the easiest kind to fix for me, and I just had to move the yoke forward and tilt it inwards towards the side with the discoloration a smidge (a very very little bit).

>>2833084
>>2833092
>>2833103
Bottom left side, but not quite in the corner.

I went up to take a photo of the spot, but it seems another problem the monitor has (miswired RGB lines or something to that effect) prevents you from getting a proper colored picture. Had to use composite video as external sync just for the screen to stop flying all over the place.

I WOULD have still come back with something, but the damn thing decided it wanted to zap me while I was trying different orders of having the cables connected. The smell of burnt hair put me off the idea of even leaving it plugged in any longer.
Didn't even touch anything outside of the input panel, so now I'm worried about even connecting anything up to the damn thing.

This'll have to do.


All this talk does make me wonder if I might be able to do something about the Megaview's similar spot. Don't have as much faith in it as the PVM in this position, as degaussing managed to move it to a completely different spot.

>>2833165
A nasty zap then?

A word of advice on messing around inside it with the set turned on, then.

Don't touch anything metal with your other hand, even (and especially) the CRT chassis. You want to wear rubber soled shoes and keep your free hand away from conducting materials. electricity passing through your chest from one arm to the other is not pleasant. I've not had it happen, thankfully.

It wasn't just like a static electricity shock, then? you had burned hair?

>>2833092
>>2833165
Why are you guys removing the yoke, exactly? I thought the only real reason to do that was to rotate the whole picture. Is there another reason i'm not aware of?

>>2833239
I got a part of a deflection strip stuck inside the deflection yoke and it was fucking up convergence worse than the problem I'd been attempting to fix. The metal part came off of the paper strip. The only way I could pull it out of the yoke was by taking the yoke clean off.

Pictured: the metal tab that messed it all up.

Since I'd already taken the yoke off and would have to put it back on just right anyway, and I had a pre-existing convergence problem I'd been trying to fix, I took that opportunity to figure out how it all worked and ended up with a nicer picture than I'd started with before I'd started mucking with convergence strips.You can fix color purity and convergence issues with the yoke and also the purity rings around the neck. Try the rings first, though.

>>2833097
I would actually prefer a PVM because they're smaller and lighter, but I wouldn't turn down a good deal on a BVM. Not a lot of TV studios in my area. I know of one, and they have a gatekeeper that wouldn't let me in. I tried getting in touch with their head engineer, but haven't heard back.

Best place for SCART cables? I've heard stories about ones on ebay being shit. Is there a trusted site that I could snag them from?

Other than craigslist an ebay, what are some places online that may have someone selling a pvm?

>>2830837
I just make offers on ebay. I got a 20" pvm for $60, and a 20" ikegami for $40 doing that. Obviously I'm not including the shipping.

>>2830892
Meme monitor seems to be missing the meme input.

>>2832362
>any trinitron

Anon should go for one with rgb scart, and curved glass.

>>2833209
I somehow got zapped off the 20M2 as well, but not as strong as this.

And theres no way it was just static discharge. It wasn't so much visibly burnt hair as I believe some of the hair on my arm was trying to get the fuck away.

>>2833495
No component, but it still does RGB.

>>2833474
There was a news crew at my work (restaurant) doing interviews for the morning news, and I so wanted to ask the camera dude if they had any pvm's lying around that I could by. I didn't want to bother him with my sperglord shit.

I've heard that recycling places are good, and Goodwill/Savers if you're lucky. I found some weird perfectly square lcds at Goodwill the other day, didn't buy on tho.

Keks who complain about CRTs being too heavy are fucking cancer.

>>2833526
Crt general on /fit/ when?

>>2833526
And what about the people that claim about their lack of "space" for a CRT?

>>2833541
All desks are deep enough to hold a desk. The desk itself wastes more room.

>>2833551
I keep my desk on the kitchen counter beside my crt.

>>2833526
Up to 70 lbs is fine. 90 is a bit much, and that's what most BVMs weigh. Luckily, they're not too big, but the extra picture options it offers over a PVM aren't worth the extra weight/depth of the unit.

I told myself I wasn't going to go bigger than 20" after lugging two different 36" JVCs up and down a flight of stairs by myself over the course of a year. The issue is more the size than the weight, they're awkwardly balanced and shaped. At least PVMs have little handles.

>>2833494
What were the original asking prices? Every single one I see is $300+. Most of them auto-reject my low offers. There's one guy selling some nice PVMs a few hours away from me on craigslist, and he seems to have some sensible starting prices, but the fucker won't return my emails.

>>2833586
The PVM-1910 might be the easiest 20" to carry. It has nice big handles that are easy to grasp. My BVM-14G5U while a 14" is very awkward to carry as it is very deep and the handles aren't big enough. My PVM-20L5 forget about it. I moved it once when I bought it and it is going to stay where it is forever. It is much heavier than the 1910 and it doesn't even have handles. Just little grooves to put your hands in that are very shallow. Carrying that down the steps was a nightmare.

>>2833591
>PVM-20L5 forget about it. I moved it once when I bought it and it is going to stay where it is forever
It weighs 68 lbs. according to the spec sheet. Not that much, really.

>>2833594
Really? Maybe it feels heavier because of the awkward position my arms were in when carrying it.

>>2833598
That always makes a difference. I find the best way to carry shit like that is to just ignore the handles and bear hug it. I've given though to finding some nice handles somewhere and drilling/bolting them through the casing, but if you don't plan on moving it much, kind of pointless.

>>2833609
I don't know what they were thinking on the 20L5 handles. They are very close to the top and don't give you much leverage while the 1910 handles are towards the bottom giving you very good leverage.

Anybody use AV carts?

>>2829453
>>2829479
>tfw people reposting ur pics
>tfw you live in England, not Japan
>tfw you spent £80 combined on all three of your Sony CRT

Just ordered a fifth leg for my desk to support the M4E and will be adding the hi-fi setup as I've just isolated sound in my Super Famicom.

>dat mould
yeahhh

>>2833714
>dat mould
move the fuck out

>>2833714

alpaca are gay

>>2833853
Don't be hating m8

>>2833419
Yeah, the station I went to had a gatekeeper too, but it was a PBS station so I was able to get in as a volunteer (I'd done it previously). And yeah, contacting the engineer is the way to go.

>>2833420
If you're in America, don't use SCART cables. There's no reason for it.
Apparently these people make good (and expensive) cables if you're too pussy to use other means to get RGB out.
https://www.retrogamingcables.co.uk
>>2833586
The PVM-20L5 was 70 lbs on the dot when I weighed it on a bathroom scale.
>>2833714
God, still jealous of Europe for getting the Super Famicom case. Look at the ugly POS we have to deal with.

That's a super famicom on the desk and a euro SNES on the floor behind the other desk, right?

>>2833875
Correct. I was give the Euro SNES for nowt so I'll be reselling it. No use for it as I don't play PAL games. Just had to confirm it works, which it does, by hooking a DC jack directly up to the 7805.

>>2833875
Custom console BNC cables when? I don't use a switchbox. I just plug in what I need at the time.

>>2833885
I (same american who posted pic of amerifag SNES) just got a 'junk' super famicom for $6.95 USD and it worked after I replaced the fuse. Just gotta drill some holes for RCA jacks, the 'murican way.

>>2833892
That's what I would do but I have a stereo A/V receiver with composite video and Y/Pb/Pr inputs, so I repurpose them as sync and G/B/R respectively.

Also, you could probably use a composite/S-video switch box if you felt like breaking out the S-Video mini-DIN connectors to three RCA jacks and ground.

>>2833914
Don't suppose you've tried component from a SNES? I just recently isolated my audio away from the AV port entirely on my Super Famicom and put a headphone jack where the RF box used to be. The result sounds really nice on my hi-fi setup.

>>2833920
My only SNES is a 1CHIP model, so it's RGB encoder doesn't have YPbPr outputs. Only older models do.

I did get a super famicom the other day though, and it's encoder does have YPbPr out. Was thinking I'd add that while I'm drilling holes for all the other RCA jacks.

Wondering why you isolated the audio from the AV port myself. I just branch everything off of it and don't use the AV port.

I've got a decent hi-fi thing too. Mine sounds great as-is.
Sorry for the bad (and old) pic, I have to run off to class. Will be back in an hour or two. Might post from my phone before then.

>>2833930
Well, I was getting noise with my official GameCube SCART lead so splitting it off seemed like a good idea in my head. Isolating from the AV port is a little extreme but the end result works, so I'm happy.

Nice on the 1CHIP though, I'd like to grab a SuFami 1CHIP some time, mine is a launch machine.

>>2833938
The SNES is a 1CHIP purely by chance because that's what the used game store sold me. :p

You could always import a mini, from what I've heard their boards will fit inside a SNES/super famicom. Some models of SFC need to have a couple plastic parts broken off internally to close around the newer board revisions, though.

>>2833943
Actually sold my SNES Mini to a friend and then grabbed this after. The difference from 1CHIP isn't that noticeable now, but 1CHIP looks incredible on my M4E.

I'd never do something like you've suggested though, like to keep things fairly authentic and matching - mods aside.

>>2830327
No, GSM is complete dogshit.

>>2828695
>sony multiformat tv
>multiplat setup

well played

Anybody ever do this? I'm so tempted but I don't have the room.

>>2834037
>that bowing

I could not find a repair thread but it's about a light gun so I figured this is the most on topic place to ask.

I recently got a mad catz light gun for my Dreamcast. I undid all the screws and when I separated the plastic casing, the trigger and a spring flung out of the case.

Is there anyone here with a Dreamcast mad catz gun that wouldn't mind telling me how this cursed spring goes in?

>>2834149
Never opened my Dreamcast gun but I've opened guns with a similar mechanism. If memory serves, slide the hole in the spring over a peg and position the leg of the L end of the spring so that it provides resistance for the trigger. I believe, from looking at the photo, try flipping the spring over and sliding the leg into that notch on the trigger.

>>2833993
the mini is the same board as a regular SNES but without the RGB traces populated.

It's totally authentic.

If you get a 1chip snes/SFC case you can swap a mini board into it and not break anything. It's identical.

>>2834037
>That bowing
>That ugly-ass switch on the FRONT of the NES, and not even next to the other switches
Looks exactly like I'd expect from a faggot who claims there's a difference between the 1CHIP and the mini and tries to sell people easily DIY'ed amps to 'correct' the problem when none exists.
Source for (some of) his bullshit:
http://retrorgb.com/snesversioncompare.html

>>2834173
You were right on the money, thank you so much.

I admittedly spent way too much time on this...

Back to House of the Dead 2 I suppose.

>>2834190
Sure thing!

Well, finally got done setting up my gaming setup. 32" cheap ass Sanyo CRT, RCA 4 port video/audio switcher, and s-video cables for all of my systems. Shit is so cash. Too bad my phone's camera is potato quality, this picture doesn't really do it justice.

>>2833714
>>2833885
>>2833920
>>2833993
Just realized, the 20M4E is 800TVL, just like my 20L5. I bet it looks great!

>>2833892
Hi, >>2833914 here again.
I have my entire setup in pieces because I got some new cables and a new console and am connecting my PC's capture cards to the back for recording purposes. Since I was back there, I decided to take a really nice photo of the back panel so you can see how I have RGB set up with it.

I connect my R/G/B lines to the 'component video' spots on the panel. I have three total. Since I still need 'sync', I connect csync to the yellow jacks in lieu of composite video. Audio, of course, goes through the red and white connectors. I have two RGB consoles ATM (genesis and SNES), so they take DVD and DTV/CBL. I have a couple things that use composite video, so I have a smaller AV switcher for s-video and composite that I think I got from a goodwill or salvation army or something.

Since my famicom is not RGB modded, only A/V modded, I connect it to the Sima switch (pictured) along with my VCR and Atari 2600 (AV modded). Those both connect to my Yamaha receiver's 'DVR' position, and if I got a third RGB console I could plug it into the DVR YPbPr input on the receiver and connect the audio and sync signals for it to the Sima switch on the empty fourth switch, to give me a third RGB input if I really needed it.

For output to my TV, I use the 'MONITOR OUT' jacks, Y/Pb/Pr for G/B/R, composite video for sync, and audio just goes out through my giant speakers, the only things wired in in the picture. The speakers are 1978 Jensen Spectrum 540's and they sound great and look marvelous.

My PC audio goes in via the 'MD/CD-R' audio-only input and the receiver outputs audio via the 'OUT'/'REC' CD-R output back to my computer line in for recording purposes. Since I don't currently have a RGB or YPbPr capture card, I output video via the DVR out jack, but in the future I plan to just grab it from the output lines on the back of my PVM.

Actually, I think your phone did it justice and it looks like it'd be really nice. Definitely a consumer set (not a big problem unless you like really heavy scanlines), but looks like one that was well cared for and not heavily used.

What model TV is it exactly?
I love that shadow mask look so much. Got a PVM and still love that look. Too bad most consumer sets don't have RGB here.

Is that blue blur on the far left behind what I'm guessing is a character because the character is moving? or is that a problem with the set?

>>2834368

My sanyo looks kind of shit

>>2834394
WTF you talking about? That looks nice. Might need a little convergence work if you feel like mucking around inside the set, but it looks pretty good even without convergence adjustment to me.

This is coming from a PVM owner.

>>2834376
Not really sure of the exact model, just some 32 inch Sanyo. The blur is because I have the colors a bit over saturated, I still haven't sat down and tweeked the set just yet, the only thing I did was turn the brightness down and contrast up since the last owner had everything all washed out.

>>2834394
Hmm, looks pretty good, but I think you might get a bit less color bleeding if you turn the brightness down just a hair. Of course, it might look different in person.

>>2834407
Bleeding isn't caused by brightness, it's caused by either contrast or chroma.

>>2834403
Here's a bit more up-close picture.

>>2834403
I'd recommend using a test pattern and a web tutorial on calibrating CRT's with color bars.

https://sites.google.com/a/risd.edu/fav-wiki/processes-and-techniques/calibrating-a-monitor-with-color-bars
This is a good tutorial, though you probably won't be able to find a 'blue only' setting on a non-pro monitor for adjusting hue and chroma. The 'blue gel' trick described is the one inaccuracy in this article in that the trick doesn't really work right, because the red and green phosphors emit small amounts of light in the blue spectrum. It's better to eyeball it and concentrate on the yellow bar - when it looks lemon yellow - not orange-ish, not yellow-green - you're as set as you'll get without a colorimeter. Before I even had a 'blue only' monitor I was able to eyeball the color bars this way, and when I compared my eyeball job to the properly done way on my PVM when I got it, I discovered I'd gotten it almost perfect.

If you need a DVD with color bars and test patterns on it, I made one for myself using FFmpeg to generate most of the patterns, and for all the non-critical and 'for fun' ones I used other sources if FFmpeg didn't have a generator for the pattern.
https://mega.nz/#!jk4nVLAK!0Ez_xqkGmTRgTSG2cxpBc37dqxVzt_fYSCdM4dOefh0

Not sure how much it shows up in this pic, but I'm aware the tube on the right is ever so slightly too red. If you don't see a difference, don't worry about it while calibrating yourself. Just putting it out there because I know the issue is present.

Also, the lightest PLUGE bar doesn't show up in that photo but that's my camera's fault, not the CRT's. Actually, if you look REALLY closely, you can sort of see it.

>>2834420
That looks pretty!

Pictured: that Apple IIe composite color monitor I always post a couple pics of, playing Final Fantasy III (fan english rom hack translation) on a Famicom with a flash cart.

>>2834371
Look good, it does.

This is from a launch Super Famicom.

>>2834487
Is that an 8-inch PVM?

Thanks for the compliment. It does not look anywhere near as pretty when all the wires are plugged in, though... :p

>>2834514
No, no. This is my 20M4E!

>>2834516
Sorry, the Sony logo looked/felt really big for some reason :\

>>2831464

70 thousand something hours, $380, bought one of the D20F1Us up on ebay. The picture looks pretty good - my PVM 14L5 is a bit brighter by default, but if you crank up the contrast on the BVM it's actually brighter. The SDI decoder card that came with it has a noisy fan, so I took it out, and it came with a 16:9 mask and no 4:3 mask, but it shipped without getting damaged and the picture quality is fine, so I'm happy.

>>2834734
One of the ones that shipped from Providence, RI? He dropped the prices after declining a few of my low ball offers, but I still don't feel like paying that much, or tempting the fates of shipping and handling.

>>2834371
Looks like you took that photo on a tripod and used an exposure between two and ten seconds. Is that right?

If not, what godly camera is that?

>>2835152

He could also have not shit lighting

>>2835156
>>2835152
Sorry. The lighting is pretty fucking shitty. To get a decent shot at ISO 100 and a small aperture, I had to go to exposure settings around 6 seconds.
Had I used a wider aperture I could have gotten to about one to two seconds. But the lighting really was bad. See >>2833930 for an example of how my lighting is. That's the best I could do by hand, and I had to edit the levels in GIMP afterwards. By comparison the panel shots I took earlier did not need any manipulation beyond cropping and labeling.

>>2835167
>>2835156
>>2835152
Sorry, forgot to finish up what I was saying. So it's not a godly camera and I want to buy a used DSLR from somewhere, but this is a Canon PowerShot SX160 IS.

>>2835167
>See >>2833930 for an example of how my lighting is.
Could be worse. At the very least, it looks better lit than my attic is. Won't lie, I've been tempted to look into some dedicated lighting just for photos. Maybe a lighting umbrella setup or something like that.

>>2835215
I've thought about video lights myself.

On another note, you can get better all-around focus in that pic (more stuff in focus) if you make your aperture on your camera smaller.

>>2834487
Do the euro versions of most games actually play slower? or is the sound just lower-pitched?

>>2835234
I'm aware, I was actually trying for a relatively shallow DoF. Admittedly, not quite that shallow, but still.
That was taken at f/3.5; 4.5 or 4.9 would have probably been a better choice, but oh well.

>>2835240
Depends on the devs.

For the most part though, yes. When the Dreamcast rolled around, this issue largely went away. The PlayStation 2 is atrocious for 60Hz support in Europe though so I avoid that entirely. My Xbox and Cube "library" is PAL though, as PAL60 is fine. Anything prior to that is NTSC for me.

Literally like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yi0OlParbyY

>>2835242
Pfft, kit lens. gtfo.

>>2835271
IIRC Rare was one of a few devs that actually cared because they were (or are, I guess? I don't count them now because I don't have any M$ consoles) UK-based. Were there many others that cared about 50hz versions of their games?

>>2835271
>Pfft, kit lens. gtfo.
Gonna repeat myself again; Really wish hiro would lighten up on the exif scrubbing.

No DSLR or the like here, just a "high end P&S".

Also need to learn how to manipulate RAW files, as I now have the space to deal with them.

>>2835287
That's some mighty fine performance for 400 ISO compared to my POS (the canon mentioned earlier).

>>2835289
Larger sensor and that it was take with flash probably helped matters greatly.

Being able to tilt the pop-up flash certainly helps with getting nicer lighting without it looking like your normal flash-photo.

Anyone happen to have a Model 1 Genesis with a model 2 Sega CD? I just won a model 2 style sega CD on ebay (with that little block off to the side so it doesn't look lopsided) and I'm wondering how wide the thing is. I know it's pretty wide, but I'm wondering if it will all be able to sit on top of my TV. Can anyone measure?

>>2835318
To clarify, I'd like a measurement on the width of this setup.

>>2835319
Measured mine, it's about 46 cm/18 inches.

>>2835330
Thanks so much. But isn't 48 cm closer to 19 inches?

Anyway, my PVM-20L5 is only 17 and 7/8 inches wide (45.2 cm). Damn. Looks like I'll be putting it somewhere else...

>>2835336
...on second thought, maybe the rubber feet will all fit. I guess I'll find out.

So, I found what model >>2827505 is
it a KV-29F2B
What interesting about it is it comes with 4 additional speakers and can decode Dolby Pro Logic (not Digital unfortunately).

>>2834037
Holy shit. I think I've seen that NES before on GameTech USA. Are you the one that had a Stereo panning POT put on the frontloader like that or is it something else like a palette switch?

And two things, A: You should probably upgrade to a stainless steel cart for durability concerns. B: Those speakers are probably too close to that monitor (unless they happen to be shielded properly)

>>2835748
That PVM, looks like a 20M4U, is shielded as fuck.

What are you even talking about? Casual.

>>2835751
I was talking about the speakers being shielded to prevent EMI from leaking out.

The PVMs/BVMs have shielding on their chassis but they is not impervious to magnetic distortions.

I see this all the time on my BVMS when I turn them on. They're vertically stacked so when I turn the 2nd one on, the degaussing coil effect is also briefly visible on the 1st. Granted, they are at point-blank chassis spacing (and I should probably look into getting a spacer that wouldn't block the vents).

inb4 not retro

>>2835821
>*they are

And a normal shot of the display for comparison.

>>2835821
Granted, I am talking about a brief magnetic field with far more strength that what would come out of desktop-size speakers, so take that with a grain of salt since it might be apples to oranges.

I also don't notice any effect from the Kenmore speaker below my monitor (though I had a set of Anwa speakers affecting an Emerson CRT in another room with even further spacing before I moved the speakers up to a higher level than where they resided)

I went ahead and took a shot of the revised setup since I had the camera out. Still needs additional cabling/switchers in place as well as a larger cart for my consoles to the left (offscreen). Not to mention getting rid of the boxes of NEC Monitor and misc HVAC parts.

>>2832351
"WELL IF IT'NT OL RABBIT EARS!"
btw brave little toaster is the best movie for appliance hardware enthusiast...

Anyone else bothered by the color of the medical PVMs? The white just doesn't look that great, i'd rather have black or gray. Is some shit like spray painting a retarded idea?

>>2835893
YOU'LL REGRET IT.

>>2835893
>Anyone else bothered by the color of the medical PVMs?
If anything, I prefer it.
Not to say the standard grey looks bad, but I really like the off white of the medical spec'd models.

>>2835748
>Holy shit. I think I've seen that NES before on GameTech USA.
>looks at watermark
>definitely not

>Those speakers are probably too close to that monitor (unless they happen to be shielded properly)
PVM's are made so you can put them literally millimeters apart from each other without getting interference from the magnetic field of the monitor next to them.
The degaussing coil generates an incredibly strong field and it's understandable that one would temporarily distort a monitor next to it. After a few moments, however? it disappears.

>>2835893
If you don't like the medical models, I'll take it. It looks better than the dark ones.

>>2835836
That is pretty beautiful desu senpai.

>>2836098
Not him, but... if you move a decent, or at least decently-powerful, pair of unshielded speakers near a PVM, the magnetism distorts the convergence. Especially if the speakers are placed below. BVM's too, of course.

>>2836364
sorry, that post was meant to say that while PVM's are shielded, and can be safely placed adjacent to one another, the magnets in a decent unshielded speaker are more powerful, and will fuck your shit up. The easiest way to tell is to load up a game and move the speakers into position while watching the screen. The first pair of JVC speakers I tried for my setup were no good, but i managed to find some smaller ones.

>>2833670

Yeah, I bought a suprlus medical cart designed for echocardiograms or some shit. Fits a 14" PVM perfectly on the top, locked in between the sides. Very recommended to look for medical carts, they're built for PVMs and have nice shelves for a console or two.

>>2836387
Hey, you aren't me. Stop replying as if you are me.

>>2836364
>if you move a decent, or at least decently-powerful, pair of unshielded speakers near a PVM, the magnetism distorts the convergence. Especially if the speakers are placed below.

Sorry, you're wrong.

>decent, or at least decently-powerful
Pretty sure a pair of these covers that. The only thing besides the speakers in these cabinets is some of that house insulation stuff and the wood itself.

I'm the one who had to fix the convergence in his PVM. I think I know what I'm talking about. Also, he was referring to the degaussing pulse temporarily distorting his screens. That is a temporary thing with the intent of FIXING convergence and color purity problems. It does cause a little temporary distortion in the process.

>>2836604
same poster as above. Sorry, I read what you said the wrong way and thought you were pretending to be me, not clarifying your previous post. Ignore that.

>>2836604
Honestly, I was more worried about my speakers being too close to my VHS player before I revised my layout (since tapes are very susceptible to magnetism, being magnetic media).

I can see the closest speaker in proximity to that monitor is one of the tweeters, would any effect be visible on the monitor's convergence if it were raised?

>>2836640
At that level, the closest I can get my 9 inch diameter bass speaker without purity or convergence issues is around 28cm/11 inches (measuring to the outermost edge of the speaker itself. The cabinet is 21.5cm/8.5 inches from the monitor). But the tiny little squirts in the monitor on the rack? very unlikely to be an issue. They're closer to the size of my tweeters.

Can a crt anon tell me about my CRT ?
>http://support.jvc.com/consumer/product.jsp?modelId=MODL026900&page=2

I like it a lot :) It has comp in so I can play wii/xbox on it and it has svideo for my /vr/ consoles. I don't know shit about crt features and video and such :3

Hello, I have a rather old CRT monitor that I used on my old pc back then, is it possible to somehow use it with a Wii?
Thing about the Wii is that it's RCA output and the monitor only accepts VGA input
So, are there any converters like dvi/hdmi cables? What can I use?
I'm aware that RCA and VGA aren't the same type of signal but I'm not sure what I need to do to convert them

The Wii had options to use progressive or interlaced output, will that be of any use?

>>2836978
>600 TVL
Nice, there are a lot of PVM's that only go that high. It's not 800 or the elusive but existant 1000 TVL, but it definitely beats a lot of consumer sets.

You'll want to enable the "TheaterPro 6500K Color Temperature Setting" that page talks about; 6500k is the standard color temperature for video broadcasts according to the SMPTE (Society of Motion Picture and Television Engineers).
A lot of consumer sets default to 9300k, which is much 'bluer' looking but looks better on store floors. Weighs just about 2 pounds more than my 20 inch PVM, so it's comparatively light for its size.

Also, if it's a setting you can turn off, you'll want to disable 'black level expansion'. That just fucks with the gamma point of the picture, I bet.

That's all I immediately see. Looks like a pretty nice set.

>>2837237
Nice set. Here's mine.

>>2837259
>RCA output
That could mean composite or component video. RCA is a connector, not a signal or video standard.

If you mean component (you have a red a blue and a green jack), then you need to convert YPbPr to VGA (an RGB signal). If you have composite (yellow jack), you need to upgrade to component (YPbPr).

You are correct that you need to also set your wii to use 480p progressive video for your PC monitor to show anything, even after going through a converter.

You can't use HDMI or DVI, those are digital only. You want _VGA_.

This looks like it could do the job. Be sure you set your wii to 480p before using this with your VGA monitor. Connect it to an LCD that has component input and set it to 480p there, then move it over to the VGA monitor.

>>2837280
>Nice set. Here's mine.
nice, I wish my crt had scan lines, it's a late 80s trinitron. is your picture actually that dark?or is the picture just under exposed?

>>2837291
This is the default Super Game Boy palette. I'm assuming yours is too. Mine's a PVM-20L5.
My image is a little dim because I have to turn contrast way down to get an image from my camera that accurately reflects how the screen looks. The image also looks dimmer because of the very thin lines my CRT draws, with lots of black space in between.
I tried brightening it a little in GIMP here. If I go any higher I blow out the picture and it doesn't look even close to accurate. It looks brightest when you're viewing it at 100% size, of course.

Yours is overexposed, though, or your TV's brightness control is way too high. I think both of those statements are true based on what I see in your pic. I say that because I look at the bottoms of the shadows on the trees. There should be more of the orange-ish color that you get on the top of the trees, as the shadowy part meets white. that isn't even visible in your picture.

Try calibrating it with color bars.

>>2837295
P.S. I also think yours has brightness and contrast too high because the pinkish oranges I'm getting are closer to yellow-orange on your set. That'll be the 'brightness' control's fault.

>>2837291
What kinds of inputs does yours have? Anything but RF and composite? I'd think S-video would be just about the best, and S-VHS was only introduced in '87.

>>2837280
>RCA output
>That could mean composite or component video. RCA is a connector, not a signal or video standard.

I'm aware of the difference, right now I only have the composite A/V cables that came with the Wii

>If you mean component (you have a red a blue and a green jack), then you need to convert YPbPr to VGA (an RGB signal). If you have composite (yellow jack), you need to upgrade to component (YPbPr).

I'm gonna have to find a way to get the component cables for it, Wii accessories are rare in my 3rd world shithole and ordering online will destroy my wallet right now

>You are correct that you need to also set your wii to use 480p progressive video for your PC monitor to show anything, even after going through a converter.
>You can't use HDMI or DVI, those are digital only. You want _VGA_.

What I meant is that I want to know is what type of converter do I need to get for the Wii signal (RCA component A/V to VGA), like, are there just cables with different ends that do the job or do I need a device for the conversion? If so, which one will do?

The Wii does not support HDMI/DVI at all, there are some "Wii hdmi output cables" but they're not good and only seem to upscale the 480p output, I can't use them anyways

>>2837313
the startech cable I linked to will do the job without needing a separate component cable. It contains a small converter chip inside that changes YPbPr into VGA compatible RGB.

If it would destroy your wallet though, that's an issue because component cables won't quite cut it. They'll get you closer to what you want, but it won't quite get you there.

If you live in a PAL territory, let me know that now, because the PAL wii can output RGB without a special converter, so the only thing you'd need would be a sync splitter, which can be made relatively cheaply if you can get your hands on some transistors or 74 series logic gate IC's.

>>2837323
> the startech cable I linked to will do the job without needing a separate component cable.

Did you link it earlier in this thread? I can't seem to find a "startech" cable

> If it would destroy your wallet though, that's an issue because component cables won't quite cut it. They'll get you closer to what you want, but it won't quite get you there.

What do you mean? I don't really mind if the image quality suffers but I suppose there'll be a small delay between inputs and image when playing because of the conversion


There's also one thing I wanted to research about, what about these cards generally used for streaming nowadays? There has to be one that accepts either composite or component input and display it on a PC like a capture card except without recording anything, but I won't be streaming either

>>2837330
oh crap, I did forget to link. And I meant mayflash, not startech.

description:
http://www.mayflash.com/Products/VIDEOADAPTERS/VGA004.html

Link to buy:
http://www.amazon.com/Mayflash-Wii-PS3-VGA-Cable/dp/B001MQT0O8
That has a chip in it, because under description it says 'no external power supply' and 'ower consumption: 150MA-200MA, supplied by game console'.

The wii's AV port has a 12 volt line on it, IIRC. Maybe it's 5 volts. Either way, that's how it gets power.

You use a standard capture card for streaming, but you use it with software that doesn't save to a file on a computer.

I don't have any capture cards besides an old S-video one, so I can't help too much there.

>>2837340
P.S. here's another adapter they make that looks like it uses normal component cables, so I bet you could use it with a lot of other things as long as you can supply power over a USB charger.

http://www.mayflash.com/Products/VIDEOADAPTERS/VGA005.html

That doesn't do scaling or anything, so I think I might actually buy one of those...

I picked up a Sony kx-2501a profeel monitor that does analog 15kz rgb through a funky 34 pin connector. Its got some nice vertical scanlines so I plan to tate it. Anyone have any pics of these running rgb?

12.99 for a 27'' FD WEGA Trinitron?

>tfw you clean your screen
CRYSTAL FUCKING CLEAR LIKE A WINDOW TO THE 2D WORLD

>>2837617 again
It's really heavy to carry up my stairs and I haven't got a place set for it yet but I don't think I can resist it.

>>2837617
>>2837629
>SD only with component
Mite B cool

>>2837656
Why

>>2837687
no image processing.

Does anyone know anything about pic related? Will it work in the US?

>>2837970

No the United States of America is an iron rich country unlike Japan which is iron deficient so the USA's naturally stronger magnetic field is too strong for scart cables to work and you can only use the better shielded composite, component, s-video and HDMI

>>2830332
14L2 with an extra card in the back (still dont know what the card is for) and a rack mount for $75. Hopefully I can sell the rack mount and get at least $10 of that back.
Just put "PVM" into craislist with no category, and tell it to search nearby areas as well. Thats what I did and there was at least 6 different listings near me for an acceptable price.

>>2838045
is lying out of their ass.

>>2837970
I don't know anything about the quality of the cable itself but Playstations share the same A/V Multi-out pinout between regions (and between the PS2/PS3 with RGB doubling for YPbPr via firmware control).

You should have no trouble using an RGB SCART cable on a NTSC U/J, or PAL Playstation, barring interference issues with a lack of shielding. Sony was a bit nicer for hardware compatibility than Nintendo.


Helloooooo, burn-in!

>>2838045
even if this were to be true SCART cables, if made properly, usually have better shielding than your typical RCA cables.

>>2838083
>there was at least 6 different listings near me for an acceptable price
How nice for you. Where do you live? I still get jack shit, just like I have for the past few years I've been looking. I found a couple that may be worth it, but they're both a 3 or 4 hour drive away, and the sellers won't respond to my emails. So yeah. I also went around to a couple of local TV stations this weekend and the receptionists had no idea what I was talking about. Left contact info for them to give to their station engineers. Not expecting to be called back.

I can see why people eventually cave and pay whatever stupid prices someone on ebay is asking for.

>>2838128
Don't have any universities or hospitals near you?
A hospital near me has all their old medical units locked up in storage, and I'd inquire if I didn't already have a PVM with no room for more.

>>2838135
Have a friend who is a PA, had him ask around for me at our two local hospitals that he works at. One hospital was so poor that they're still pretty much using all the old equipment and don't have any spare ones. The other said they sent them all to be recycled. Whether or not that's true, I don't know. I'm not going to pester a fucking hospital about old CRTs like some kind of sperglord.

Why would a university have them?

>>2838124
Ok. I might pick it up if I ever find use for it (like an upscaler or SCART to component).

It's been a long time since i contributed here.

I say we should get back to making that CRT colab off of one game screen shot.

i think last time someone voted for a master system game? We should get back to that

in the mean time heres the 14L5 i got for $70

>>2838045
>SCART
>Japan

>>2838172
>Japan
>JP21

Recorded a video of my M4E and hi-fi setup. Really like how it sounds. Only had my Super Famicom hooked up for a while now...

https://vimeo.com/148028495

>>2838128
I live in the middle of nowhere Texas. I spent probably two or three years looking for a PVM. somehow even though I'd been checking craislist and local news stations/goodwils/etc I'd never found one. Then just for the hell of it I type that shit in on craigslist and bam, there's like 20-30 listings each advertising for PVM's and/or other studio equipment. I mean I had to drive 2.5 hours into Dallas to get any of them, but that still beats having to pay 3 times the price on jewbay.
Hell, most of those listings are still there, and have been there for months now. They just never showed up for some reason, probably because I was looking in specific categories and key terms instead of searching site-wide.

>>2838165
follow up close screen shot

>>2838165

>>2838203
>They just never showed up for some reason, probably because I was looking in specific categories and key terms instead of searching site-wide.
This is the most annoying thing. Sometimes I come across something, and then I can't find it when I search again later, even though I put in the same terms. I tend to search my region and surrounding regions using a variety of keywords, like pvm, bvm, sony monitor, professional monitor, professional crt. I've even done general searches for just studio equipment, video equipment, or electronics. I even just search for TVs or monitors wondering if someone posted them without knowing what it even was. I rarely find anything. I live in the southeast MA area, and any hits I get are in NY, for the most part, and I don't really want to drive 6 hours into the armpit of the east to buy a shitty PVM from some punjab out of the back of his van.

>>2838218
I know sometimes its because they get taken down/deleted. Not everyone leaves their ads up until they auto-expire.
But there are times when I know the ad is still there, but it doesn't come up in results, shits weird.

>>2838137
>Why would a university have them?
AV departments, nurse/midwifery training, legacy support for imaging hardware; any number of reasons really.
That said the odds are low. You'll probably have more luck if the university has a medical program.

>>2838204
>>2838165
shucks i dont remember my convergence being this bad

then again its pretty beat up but when i first got it, it was fine

>>2838189
Squishy PAL-o-Vision

>>2838253
I've been meaning to readjust the convergence on the 20M2MDU myself.
Shit becomes way too obvious on close ups.

>>2838262

I'd kinda like to adjust it, but I'm terrified of opening up a CRT because a few years ago my less intelligent self opened up a faulty computer power supply and after i learned that i could have died ive been too scared to touch high voltage stuff

>>2838262
Nah, it is an NTSC-J copy. Just how it is.

>>2838268
I can't say I blame ya, shit can be nerve wracking.
Ignoring the weird zap I got from the 14M2MDU a few days ago, I got a bit of a zap from the 20M2 when I opened it last year; That one, however, I believe may have been my own fault.

>>2838278
Strange.

>>2838262
That caught me off guard for a moment. Reposting mine for comparison.

I still need to properly calibrate my BVMs...

>>2837617
Don't do it, mate. That's a flat screen. You'll have geometry problems.

>>2838262
is there a forum post you have bookmarked that i could look at? I understand how its done, but i just wanted to go over minor stuff and some precautions.

or if you're in California I'll you $40 to fix it

>>2837613
I can't find a manual or any real info about that model when I search. Could you take a pic of the back panel at the very least?

>>2838329
guy who redid convergence on his 20L5 here.

It's something you can do without a real guide by figuring it out on your own if you have enough time. It took about three hours for me to get it looking just perfect when I had to adjust the yoke, but if you are just moving the rings on the neck it's very fast.

>>2838306
Mine came out a little noisier than I'd have liked, as I forgot to switch ISO back down, but oh well.
I could deal with the sharpness of some BVMs, but I think the thing I dislike(at least based on photos) is it just doesn't seem terribly vibrant.
Like, the colors may be more accurate to their original, digital representations, but just don't pop.

>>2838329
I'm by no means qualified to do anything like that, and even if I was I'm on the other side of the country.

>>2838342

i have to adjust rings? its not a screw potentiometer?
christ im even more scared now

I actually prefer colors that don't 'pop'. I bet you could make them do so on a BVM, but I have my PVM calibrated so they don't pop out.

>>2838364
Why is that scary to you?! You're more likely to get shocked by a potentiometer than the convergence and purity rings.

>>2837613
From the manual it looks to be digital RGB. you'll need to convert analog RGB to digital, I think.

>>2838382
It should be fine taking Analog RGB over the weird floppy drive connector. Note that it differentiates between TTL and 1vpp for sync.

Whether it's fine taking a standard composite video signal or if it requires clean composite sync is another question that needs asked, however.

>>2838371
Eh, maybe it's something that just has to be seen in person to get.

>>2838358
what are your camera settings?
i'm using usually a 1/30 shutter at f/1.8 50mm

>>2838428
>>2835287

>>2838262
f/4.5
Focal Length 33mm
35mm Equiv 88

>>2838358
f/4
Focal length 19mm
35mm Equiv 51

Aside from that, most is the same.
Both were manually focused, though the full screen shot was depending on it being focused from previous shots, as it isn't a paused/still image.

>>2838382
>>2838403

Pin 21 is level select
connect to +5v (high logic) for tv signals levels (0.7v)

>>2838403
>>2838358
Depending on the BVM model I might know exactly what the issue is. It's going to be the different phosphor the 20M2MDU uses (P-22), where the BVM's and certain PVM's like the 20L5 use the SMPTE-C phosphor.

>>2838128

Holy shit people, this isn't hard. Go to IFTTT.com and set up CL alerts. Wait 6 months. You WILL find a PVM for cheap, but it takes time and alerts.

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Someday I'll have you.

So I might be moving in with two friends into a tiny studio in the city soon and obviously space is at a premium. I currently have a 20" PVM but in the interest of space I was wondering about a smaller one. I've seen some guy on Craigslist here with some 8" ones that have RGB input. Being that we'd be sitting right up to them and not on the other side of the room, are they still gonna look pretty decent even if small?

>>2838871
Had no idea that service existed. Was clunky as fuck to set up multiple alerts in all my nearby regions for both PVM and BVM, but we'll see if it pays off. Thanks.

Guys, if you want to get something from a station engineer, you'll want to find their email addresses.
They are usually listed on the station's website.

Don't count on a secretary to pass a message along.

>>2839027
Already sent emails to every station manager in a 80 mile radius. I know people love to ignore emails, though. I find it's always better to see someone in person. Problem is, the secretaries on duty told me the station engineers are usually only in during "business hours", which are basically the hours when I'm working.

>>2839040
It also wouldn't hurt to volunteer at the station so some people know who you are.

This guy here again, tried playing with the purity rings to no avail

Anything else I can try before going for a degaussing coil

>>2839101

>>2839101
You don't adjust the degaussing coil.
You mean the deflection yoke.

I hope you reset the purity rings and convergence rings to their original positions. If so, the only thing to do is to adjust the yoke.

On my set there are two sets of rings on the neck - one for convergence and one for purity. You tried both (if you have two sets)?