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Yay, another one of these. I might play it later. I watched something for beginners and it said that going into crypts are a great way to get started since they're small, and to always have a teleport spell since the dungeons are far more complicated than later elder scroll games. I-is this right?

>>2807290
Compared to the other elder scroll games the dungeons in Daggerfall are mostly labyrinthine, crypts are alright imo and as for the recall spell its really useful if you want to get out of any dungeon if you finished the objective however its not really required it is however highly recommended for beginners. Aslo you can make note on the map, watch the webm.

Mannimarco reminder:

-That Daggerfall unity 0.1.1 is out! Sexy far terrain incoming!

http://www.dfworkshop.net/daggerfall-unity-0-1-release/

-Next unity build will feature indoors mapping with mouse control and beacons!
Will also feature a real world map with fast travel.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CT6U846UEAI4fwi.jpg:large

-Also DaggerXL is NOT dead! I repeat! UNDEAD! The work will resume next year and will get advances features very close to what we have now in Unity. What's your thoughts on this?

http://xlengine.com/xl-engine-state-of-the-project/


Don't take drugs kids!

>>2807408
>For a variety of reasons the project had to be put on hold until the beginning of next year.

Fucking cunt

>>2807408

>Also DaggerXL is NOT dead! I repeat! UNDEAD! The work will resume next year and will get advances features very close to what we have now in Unity. What's your thoughts on this?

My thoughts are that he is fucking full of shit.

>>2807408

I've been on this hype for too long, and I no longer care.

Call me when either of them has made it to the state of "playable"

>>2807561

Similar.

>>2807482
>>2807504
Not gonna lie it piss me off too, but at the same time I know the guy has a life and he's doing only for the fun. We even might get an Upgrade Blood and dark force as bonus from his work, and I fucking love Blood.

The thing is...he could have let us known, but no he decided to stay quiet for years and not giving any update. He could have at least leave comment and give feedback on Interkarma works.

I'd love to see what he got so far. His last video was impressive(even kinda better than unity)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwTWrdB6vIU


Who knows...Maybe one day we'll get our Daggerfall remake.

Isn't this my home land? who's this foreigner bitch, and what the fuck she looks like a breton

>>2807971
She's a self-hating Breton. There's a whole lot of them out there when your Personality and speech skills are low. But when you become more charismatic they start liking their own race a lot more, too! I guess they just like the example you set for them as an outstanding member of their race.

>>2807971
Holy shit polite tone always comes off as snide and sarcastic

>Why would I offer a breton like you a job
>Eloquently said

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Daggerfall:The_Lost_Child
Is there a way to change this quest in Daggerfall? This quest start out with a merchant telling the player that his daughter gotten kidnap by orcs. It's a nice dungeon quest but later on, if you started repping for the Fighter Guilds, this quest quickly turns into "this merchant is an abusive father and we are looking after his daughter." Is there a way to edit it so the Fighter Guilds part didn't happen and only the orc-kidnapping-the-kid part does?

>>2808624
It's 50/50 to take either path even if you don't have rep with the Fighters Guild. You just won't get the letter if they don't like you, leading you to crawl around in the dungeon with no goal to find unless you had the foresight to ask around before going.

It's best to just think of it as two quests. You're still just as likely to get the orc-kidnapped version even with 10+ FG reputation.

bump

Where can a sorcerer buy potions in this shit?

>>2809605
Schools or mage guilds. Start doing quest for them. Eventually you will access the potion merchants

>>2807282
Y'know, most of the dungeons don't really make much sense when you think about it.

Also how come so many warrior/bandit/witch/wilderness types are naked or nearly naked in a place that seems to have a cold-wintered European climate? Wouldn't they get cold?

>>2809993

Yeah, but they're so tough they don't show they're cold.

I feel like it was a mistake to enter that door, which teleported my into this snow region.

>>2810837

Nah, you're good. New places to explore! Unless you were in a timed quest, in which case you're probably boned.

>>2810902
No, just jumped into the game, I was walking in a straight line for 5 minutes and nothing happens though

>>2810913
Ah, that.
Use fast travel.

>>2810837
That means you finally got out. Now you can start the game proper. You can keep going directly south to end up in the town of Gothway Garden after not too long a walk, or open up the fast travel map now and make your way to Daggerfall or wherever else you want. It's a good idea to have a save here stored somewhere so you can go back to it if you accidentally miss the first part of the main quest or something else you find undesirable.

You might find it easier to go back into Privateer's Hold or a small graveyard for easy combat experience and treasure compared to most quest dungeons, but you'll probably be fine no matter what you do.

reposting a question i had from the last thread:
is there no reason to use the flail over the warhammer, since the weight is the same but the warhammer hits harder? i noticed the same thing with the dagger and tanto, as the tanto just hits harder

Comfy music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1Wr8Xq93-M

>>2812661
Aesthetic. Warhammer does a bit more damage tahn the flail as with the tanto compare to the dagger, but they got their own skin and the amount of damage is a bit too small to notice. Go with what looks cool on your character since you are probably 1-2 shoting them anyways.

>>2812696
that's good to hear, wanted to stick with the flail
horribly underrepresented weapon in video games

>>2812721
Yeah, you can easily get overpowered in this game as long as you enchant all your trinkets. I would rather use Orc armor because they are more rare than Daedric and green looks better than red.

are the language skills worth putting points into?

>>2815138
Not at all if you're not roleplaying or something. You miss out on the experience and potential loot for killing the thing, you might accidentally attack it without realizing you passed the check, and if you want to have a lot of things be unagressive you have to take up a bunch of major/minor skill slots.

>>2815138
They're definitely not worth the points from a practical gameplay perspective. If you want one just to try it for fun, Daedric is the best bet. It's the only language skill other than Orcish that is spoken by more than one enemy, and it's the only language skill at all that applies to any dangerous enemies. You'll know a language skill worked when an enemy remains stationary without attacking you, but still rotates to face you. If they aren't facing you then they simply haven't detected you yet so beware.

Also keep in mind that you can't actively "use" your language skills. It's fully passive - it either worked or it didn't as soon as the creature saw you and you won't get another try. If something is already hostile to you, the only way to get out of that situation is by fighting, fleeing, or pacifying through magic. At the maximum unfortified stats, slightly over half of the speakers of the language will be passive to you if you take care to walk around without your weapon drawn.

What follows is purely anecdotal and I haven't found any documentation about it anywhere, but I have experienced undead enemies (Skeletons, Vampires, etc.) occasionally being non-hostile to my character in the same way any language-speaking enemy would. My character happened to be a vampire as well when I started noticing it, and this happened in several regions - not just ones where my character's particular vampire clan presided. I have no idea if being a vampire was the reason for this occurrence or if it's something that can happen to any character, but I have yet to witness it with non-vampire characters.

>>2815573
I've had a bat passive to me like that once, and a rat one other time. I thought it was a bug but now I suspect that it's a very small chance for anything even if they aren't human or have a language. Maybe vampires get a bonus to that chance for the undead, or the personality boost from vampirism simply made them friendly often enough for you to notice.

>>2815573
yea it is due to you being a Vampire, though your "rival" clan will still attack you

>>2807282
Is there a version of DaggerfallSetup for mac?

>>2815662
It should work if you simply replace the dosbox instalation with mac's native dosbox and edit the autolaunch section in the cfg to mac-compatible file paths.

>walk through dungeon
>see this
>no way to get through it
How am I supposed to get that rare book that that guy wants when I can't get to it?

>>2807282
>General
>>>/vg/

>>2816529
Wouldn't survive there.

Besides generals aren't inherently bad, /rhg/, /jpcg/, and /cgg/ are some of the best threads on this board. The problems starts when they become circle jerky because of name fagging, but I've NEVER seen anyone even use a tripcode in /cgg/ and rarely in the other two.

>>2815662
Daggerfall is the easy one. Just remember to stuff everything from the CD in a different folder from your DOS folder and mount it with

"mount d "~/dir" -t cdrom -l Daggerfall"

if you don't add that last part you'll get an error

It's Arena that's a bitch.

>>2816526
Google isn't any help. Anyone?

>>2816558
>>2816526
Don't remember that specific dungeon but that's in a lot of them, most of the time there's a hidden door in a random nonsensical place, I would try around for one of those. Even though they're procedurally generated I'm fairly certain they're all pregenerated and tested, so it's possible it's a bug, but more than likely it's just a dumb hidden door.

>>2816529
/tesg/ doesn't give a shit about TES, only jacking off to their degenerate 3D Barbie sex mods.

>>2816526
You can actually jump through those, but it might be a bug and it's certainly glitchy.

>>2816573
>climbing through a hole

use your imagination mate, there are no bugs if you're willing to suspend disbelief

>>2816526
You're supposed to crouch-jump through it. But due to the terrible collision detection and geometry this will result in you clipping through the walls, falling through the floor, or walking on the ceiling 60% of the time. Just save and keep practicing and you'll get it. Webm related, good luck.

>>2816567
>Even though they're procedurally generated I'm fairly certain they're all pregenerated and tested
This is half true. They were pregenerated in the sense that they already exist in everyone's game world whether you visit them or not, but they were definitely not all tested - there's over 4,000 dungeons in total after all. However, they were generated by placing sections of dungeons that each fit into a large cube next to each other with doors that are always in the same locations, and each of those individual blocks that dungeons are constructed from were tested and designed by hand. So there's no layouts where sections of the dungeons are totally inaccessible (except a few rooms floating at the edges of most dungeons where quest objects cannot spawn due to the way border blocks work). But there are a few blocks where you must jump through that sort of window to cross unless there happens to be a way around by traveling through adjacent blocks, and there's an abundance of hidden doors, switches that look identical to every other clutter sprite, traps, and teleporters to disorient you. It doesn't help that there are still a couple random quests that can fail to actually place their objective in a dungeon under certain conditions and quest paths. Or my favorite bug: on very rare occasions, generated quest NPCs in dungeons or houses can be literally invisible. They're still there and you can interact with them normally. You just can't see their sprites.

There's no shame in using the ] and [ cheats to cycle through all possible quest locations if you want to really be sure you're not on a fool's errand. Just use it as a last resort if you're stuck.

>>2816573
>/tesg/ doesn't give a shit about TES, only jacking off to their degenerate 3D Barbie sex mods.
it's disappointing how true that is

>>2818834
Yeah. If you want lore discussion the /tg/ thread is pretty chill tho.

Post your characters. When playing do any of you roleplay?

>>2819527
I make up backstories mostly. A different playstyle is just enough for each playthrough of any ES game

>>2819527
I play it mostly for the dungeon crawling

>>2819527
Yeah. Mehra's family belonged to the Lamasery of Horns (an illegal Boethiah cult in the Valus Mountains (a mountain range on the border of Cyrodiil and Morrowind) which combines Dunmer and Nibenese philosophy) before being driven into hiding. She's a devout worshiper of Boethiah, and of the Daedra in general, so she has Daedric as a major skill despite language skills being nearly useless.

She's a devout worshiper of the Daedra (and Boethiah specifically), and is not particularly fond of the Nine Divines because they generally oppose the Daedra (though she's not necessarily hostile to the Aedra themselves, due to the Nibenese elements of the Lamasery). She's also shifty af and frequently backstabs and betrays people whenever given the chance, just like Boethiah would want.

I see the Emperor entrusting her with the mission in the Iliac Bay having been a matter of her being arrested and sentenced to execution for treason, but, in repayment of a (accidental) life-saving past favor to the Emperor, having been promised amnesty -- or at least a postponing of execution -- in exchange for carrying out an extremely dangerous mission in which she is expected to die.

>>2815573

Wait, what the fuck is that? Is that in the main quest? I never bothered to do main quest in Daggerfall, is that what I'm missing out on? holy shit that looks awesome

>>2819669
Final Dungeon. It's Sheogorath's favorite hanging spot.

>>2819669
Daggerfall's main quest dungeons all have a few nice areas, but the final one in particular feels like a totally different game and it's weird as fuck. In a good way, of course. The dungeons in Battlespire share some similar themes with it, and are also top-notch in terms of visual and layout design, but dungeons are literally all there is to that game.

>>2819669
>I never bothered to do main quest in Daggerfall
The main quest is the best part. Branching, awesome unique dungeons.

>>2819527
i'm more inclined to roleplay in the later elder scrolls games since there's more RP stuff you can do
i do enjoy playing as a bookworm though, TES always has a shitload of books you can read for lore

If anyone has the knowledge, how would I go about editing in my own custom face sprites?

>>2821709
Download DAGPIC extract it to your arena2 folder and just drag DAGPICG.EXE to your dosbox.exe which should open it up, takes awhile. Now click load and then select .cif, the faces should be in this category. Make sure you back up your files in case you mess something up. If anyone has a better way to do it feel free to post since I have only done it this way.

Can someone help a newbie make a paladín build for this game? I have b long blade, and restoration as top skills. Anything else? I don't remember all of them off the top of my head. For roleplay sake, I'm gonna take "Magic regenerates in light"

>>2823854
>blade
>paladin
blunt nigga

>>2825693
In what universe? Clerics use blunt weapons and plains use blades.

>>2825693
>>2826067

I'm >>2823854. I was able to choose skills such as Critical Strike and what not, and I'm now a powerhouse. I took a bonus to hit for everything, expertise, and other things to ensure that I do just fine starting out. I robbedexplored a few crypts and got a nice haul which I'm now gonna sell. I just leveled up and I put all my points in luck, and I'm gonna join the mage's guild, and the temple of mara. I'm also gonna get better gear, and I found something with an "unknown" enchantment, but from what I can see, it raised my perception. Do enchantments have charges like later games? Later on, I'm also gonna buy a boat so I may sail the bay, a Paladin who wishes to spread the love of Mara, while smiting EVILE.

Also how do shields work? Do they just work like standard armor?

>>2819527
Its kinda tough to roleplay in Daggerfall since everything is so random.

>>2826116
What are your skills?
I can't wait for when Morrowind can be discussed here

>>2826119
>Primary: blunt weapon, critical striking, dodging
>Major: mysticism, alteration, restoration
>Minor: medical, hand to hand, running, jumping, climbing, swimming

Didn't care much for thaumaturgy, since I like bashing undead more than banishing them.

>>2826126
>padded out your minor with athletic skills
Did the same, I mean why not? The skills I'm gonna care about are mostly major and primary. I sorta didn't know what thaumaturgy was though 2bh. I kinda regret not choosing it since it would've worked great for a Paladin.

>>2826130
>http://www.tesguides.com/tes2/

I use this site when ever I need to freshen up on anything daggerfall. It should have a spell list among other things.

>>2826112
Enchanted items use up the durability of the item itself. So a weapon with an on-use enchantment would lose durability both for hitting with it and for actually using the enchant. By default, enchanted items CANNOT be repaired under any circumstances. Prior to patch 1.04 it was possible to repair them by using the "repairs objects" enchantment. In a later patch they introduced the "MAGICREPAIR" variable to the Z.CFG file which you can use to re-enable this feature. Personally I leave it disabled since magic items are pretty OP to begin with and it fits the lore with all the Daedric artifacts that are supposed to leave their owner after a time, but if you're tired of the magic items you worked so hard for breaking after a couple hours, just open up Z.CFG and add the line:
MAGICREPAIR 1

Alternatively, if the MAGICREPAIR line already existed and was set to 0, just switch it to 1. If it already existed and was set to 1, then you don't need to do anything.

Shields work like standard armor.

Also "PER" is Personality. Best to save that enchantment for when you're buying or selling things so you can get the most out of it - a higher Personality will adjust the prices in your favor.

Really, now? Just because we're thieves doesn't mean we have to be sarcastic assholes.

>>2828295
>Flughtti
I suppose NPC names are randomly generated too.

>>2807408
>Also DaggerXL is NOT dead! I repeat! UNDEAD! The work will resume next year
I'll believe it when I see. No updates in over a year and a half and the next update is saying he can't work on it for months more.

Its just going to be unending delays because something else always comes up.

>>2807408
He should just share what he's done so far. There's no point in DaggerXL if it continues to be closed source.

>>2817029
>keeps sealing even as he dies
The pinnacle of Dickass Thievery