/vr/ - Retro Games

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Well, might as well kickstart thread a bit.

>What'cha playing?
>Favourite scoring systems and why? If you can't come up with particular game, what's the general schemes you like?


And to answer my own questions:

Even though DOJBL is my main game at the moment, the chaining's not too interesting to me itself.
Usually medal-chaining is ok, since it doesn't bind the game into a route... as long as it doesn't have some sort of activation-trick like RFJ.
Garegga-likes have been my favourite, but they kind of suck since they are not very intuitive and sometimes place huge value on such small segments ( flamingoes etc. ). I fucking love Ibara, though.
Subweapon fuckery is also good, but depends on how it is done. ESPrade. was pretty fun, but milking ruined high-level play.
Cancelling's pretty fun, although I haven't been actually playing any cancelling-heavy games outside of CC and Mars Matrix.

Personally, what's hot is extravagant point-blanking and speedkilling. Most recently Mushi 1.5 has been rubbing that nub.

>>2792896
/vg/ a shit.

I'm staying here on the retro games board.

>>2792912
both are garbage, it's pretty obvious we are just shitposting and no one is playing anything

Migrating to /vg/ since actual new shmups are coming out and no one is playing retro shmups. It looks promising so far too.

>>2792959
Just wait 2 weeks and 80% of the posts will be made by 2-3 tripfags.

>>2792984
Would be nice if the 2-3 guys who make 80% of the posts in this general got trips so that we can identify them as complete assholes on sight

>>2792896

>thread opens with shitty waifu pilot

Off to a great start.

>>2792825
>your latest accomplishments?
Died at the very end of ketsui first loop with less than %5 boss health remaining preventing access to ura loop, still pbed in the omote loop finally finishing my credit in 2-4. Love this game.

>>2792896
No fuck off, I'll stick to discussing retro STG here.

Who /inthehunt/ here?

>>2792825
Are the Nanja Monja broken?

>>2793454
Absolutely. Fuck the Nanja Monja. I'm a Load Run kind of guy.

>>2793497
Could you tell me why? I'm new to the game.

>>2792912
>>2792959

At least /vg/ has a higher population of posters to bring into the thread. Half the time the games that get talked about here aren't retro anyways.

>>2793375
Neat game, I have it on saturn. The 10 second music breaks and loading screens are a little jarring, no big deal. Should I emulate the neogeo version instead?

>>2793519
She's a well-balanced character. If you sacrifice too much of either speed or shot in TSS, you're going to get beat.

>>2793560
Shmup is a retro genre whether you like it or not, regardless of what year it's made in, like text-based adventures or 2D beat 'em ups.

If you have a problem with a general being here, go complain to the DOOM, Tycoon, computer hardwares, and Arino threads as well.

Also, that /vg/ thread is way too much of a hugbox. I'd rather have interesting posts+some flames here over a CAVE circlejerk like over there.

>>2793454
Nawh nigga, everyone is balanced in that game except for Mevious.

Don't mind me, just posting the best Touhou game.

>tfw it will never have netplay

>>2793593
Cool, thanks for clearing that up.

After hearing how there are so many shmups on Dreamcast, I bought one off eBay, and only then did I look into the prices of these damn games... 70-200 dollars.. it's insane.

Are there any cheap starter games to buy?

>>2795180
>Dreamcast

You can actually just rip them and put them on CD's.

>>2795190
I know but, if I cared about that, I'd just be emulating on my PC

Does /vr/ shmups general like R Type 3? And, am I wrong in thinking it is quite hard?

>>2795279
it's ok

>>2795180
Burn them and get a Saturn and PseudoSaturn it and get the glorious shooters that also has to offer like Battle Garegga, Raidant Silvergun, DoDonpachi, Thunder Force V, Hyper Duel, and Batsugun.

Anyone have a download of GwangeDash?

It was lost in the Megapocalypse.

>>2792825
Started playing Thunder Force IV and damn the hunter weapon makes some sections in that game a complete joke if you get it as soon as possible.

>>2793375
>Who /inthehunt/ here?
I just came here to ask something about this game.
Does anyone knowledgeable know exactly how many endings this game has? I've seen the base destruction one, the one where your sub goes back home, and the 2-player ending where you kill your partner and become ruler of the world. Is there anything else? I assume having the other player win the end duel only changes which sub is in the ending.

Is Donpachi and DoDonpachi better on the Saturn? Or is the arcade version better.

>>2797927
Playstation version is actually the best.

>>2797971
it has broken chaining (dodonpachi) if I remember correctly

>>2797927
Arcade, of course.

There's a sweet remix of Donpachi in DDP Saturn, though.

>>2795436
I really would like to try out Radient Silvergun. Saturn will probably be my next venture after DC. Either that or 360

>>2798343
It runs fine in SSF if you want to give it a try. Be warned that it's not really like any other shmup; you can't realistically play it for survival, only score.

Hello friends. I'm currently working on a shmup game for pc and I have some questions you lot might be able to answer.
Are most shmups one hit kill(+ shield) or are there games with basically a health bar?
How prevalent are absorption shields that eat up bullets and drain a refillable shield bar?
Are most shmups level based or is there a kind of wave progression?
Anyone have links to sites/blogs that analyze weapons/enemies/patterns?

>>2798619
>How prevalent are absorption shields that eat up bullets and drain a refillable shield bar?
Only one that I know of is RefleX.

Cleared Gun Nac the other night. Some Compile games are weird in that the difficulty only seems to pick up in the last few stages. Still, Gun Nac is fun.

>>2798639
more like all of them, compile is casual garbage for shitheads

>>2798664

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTdOjRI8Olk

new gamesack ep is about more super nintendo shmups!

>>2798664
Sad, but true

The best people at Compile went on to establish the far superior Raizing along with God-Emperor Yagawa to lead their way.

>>2798685
How the fuck have I never heard about Gamesack before. Those are some pretty entertaining videos.

>>2798748
it is a pretty good channel, but I feel like they are running out of material, which is completely understandable, the same would happen if it were a youtube channel about Barroque Music.

Most of the good snes shmups (like axelay or super aleste) were in an older snes shmups video from a few years ago.

>>>/jp/14347278

Looks like we hurt some faggot's feelings, /vr/.

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>>2798847

>people unironically thinking touhou is good and pretending they're not just playing it for the waifus

smdh

>>2798906
Cave and Towhow really are a blight on this great genre.

>>2798906
Man, are you fucking serious? How many times do these threads need to derail into stupid bullshit before you admit shmup threads here are shit?

/v/ has better shmup threads than /vr/; this general is worst part of /vr/.

>>2799118
>/v/ has better shmup threads than /vr/
[citation needed]

>>2798847
>>2798906
The guy that you guy reply is a /vg/ and the thread it directed also not mainly 2hu.
>>>/jp/14346218
Try lurk more next time.
>>2799118
>This

>>2798630
>>2798619
also Samidare

>>2798619
Go Play Mars Matrix

>>2798847
There's a difference between butthurt feelings and just not wanting to waste time with the trolls who shit up every single Shmup thread here.

>>2799573

>trolls
>people who don't mindlessly praise every cave and touhou game

>>2799581
I wasn't talking about that at all. I don't give a fuck what games people prefer, it's the endless shit talk that these people seem to think is cool that just derails everything. But the main guy who makes and populates these threads likes it that way so I guess it works for him. I just poke my head in now and then because I only play these games casually. Every time I do though it's all bitching and fighting so there's not a lot of point.

>>2799573
How in cows cunt is correcting misinformation and calling out casuals on there rampant bullshit trolling? People stop pretending they love Ikaruga even though they can't play it and i'l stop calling them out, simples. Now back to play talk.

>>2799602
I mentioned that I enjoyed playing through Ikaruga in one of these threads once and I a guy legitimately wanted me to hook up my Gamecube again so I could take a photo just for him to prove to him I enjoyed it. It was pretty hilarious, but also the kind of idiotic trolling that's commonplace here. I don't even know if he was being ironic, but the result is the same that these threads almost never have interesting discussions anymore and the shitflinging is always the same so they're just boring.

>>2792825
>STGeneral

It's shmup you delusional weeb.

>>2799616
0/10
Weak fisher or five year old go home.

>>2799623
>hurr it's just bait guise!

Fuck off weeb you sound like a moron whenever you say STG instead of shmup. If you wanna use Japanese phrases then go to a forum that speaks exclusively Japanese instead of shitting up our English board with your nonsense.

>>2799626
It's a Japanese anime site for weebs you cowboy. You may leave anytime you want and play shch'em'ups on your Atari with dick shaped joystick like a raging fag that you are.

>>2799636

Shoo Ting Game sounds just as retarded.

>>2799626
>frequents 4chan
>complains about Japanese terms
>acts like anyone cares what term gets used

Are you even trying anymore?

stupid gameplay is what i hate in shmups

video unrelated
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuVFlVdFsa4

>>2799602
How in cows cunt is calling someone who thinks these threads are shit a faggot even close to "correcting misinformation"? If anything you proved that faggot right, you dumb piece of shit.

Questions:
How do people generally feel about health/power/sheild bars and points on the "play area", ie. not in the black bars at the side of the screen.
Also, are there any games that do "power drain" for the weapon. Something like deleveling your weapon when you hold down shoot to prevent you from just holding it down for the whole game.

>>2799616
they're called ShitEmUps you dolt.

>>2799764
>How do people generally feel about health/power/sheild bars
Suguri does that and it's fantastic
>Also, are there any games that do "power drain" for the weapon. Something like deleveling your weapon when you hold down shoot to prevent you from just holding it down for the whole game.
Hellsinker, off the top of my head. Though it depends on the character, it has some very complex equipment mechanics

>>2799706
You literally don't know what we are talking about.

>>2799764
There are a few games that give you a stronger shot from tapping and a weaker one for autofire, like Twin Cobra 2.

>>2799609
No he didnt he wanted you to prove you have a score that shows you have any competence or real knowledge in ikaruga, but you didn't and failed thus he was right.

>>2799896
Lol.

I haven't played Ikaruga in over ten years and my Gamecube hasn't been hooked up in almost that long as well. The notion that I would need to "prove" that I was good enough to have enjoyed it in the first place is ridiculous. The notion that someone seriously expected me to care about his opinion of me enough that I would hook up and then take photos a game I haven't played in years is a perfect example of how hilariously retarded these threads are now.

How do I get good at shmups?

>>2799889
Health bars are generally gross unless they're used correctly like in 1944 Loop Master.

I'll never get why Ikaruga is met with such endless praise. It's a shmup that's too dull to play for survival, yet too formulaic to play for score.

>>2799924
Why do you keep banging on about enjoying it? no one cares and that's not what was asked anyway. I don't think it's about you caring more than he was right and you know damn well that your scores are poor because you only played it casually which is fine but when people are criticizing ikaruga on a decent players level you should stay out of it because it's a completely different thing.

>>2799942
guwange did it well.

>>2799975
Literally all I did was mention it in a list of Shmups I liked at one point. That I thought it was fun and that the score system and element changing were neat. That was it, I never even claimed to be some Ikaruga master or super fan. Just that I liked the game and was good enough to 1cc it when I was playing regularly. I couldn't remember for the life of me scores for a game I haven't played in a decade though.

But in order to simply say I thought it was fun, this guy insisted I had to post photographic proof. Even after explaining how long it had been he still went on and on like that as if he really expected me to comply.

It was more just how idiotic and absurd the situation was that made it stick with me. That some of the posters here honestly think they're opinion is so important that anyone would even consider going to those lengths to prove anything.

>>2799975
>Why do you keep banging on about enjoying it?

Why do you keep banging on about not enjoying it? The guy literally just said he enjoyed the game before people sperged out and said "NUH UH, YOU DIDN'T REALLY ENJOY THE GAME" and asked him to post his scores for some reason?

>>2800000
dat GET

>>2799896
Nigga his grasp on the mechanics wouldn't change his statement about him enjoying it so that's a fucking retarded thing to request him to do in the first place. If he were claiming something like everyone shitting on the game just doesn't know the mechanics or scoring well enough then you'd be having a more legitimate reason to demand a score for proof.

>>2800010
>everyone shitting on the game just doesn't know the mechanics or scoring well enough

Lots of Ikaruga / Treasure fans do exactly that, though.

>>2800106

Okay? But the guy in this thread isn't. What are you even arguing about?

>>2800109
That Treasure fanboys are pretentious cunts who've only played Ikaruga and believe every other shmup is automatically inferiour.

I'm surprised we don't talk more about Judgement Silversword Rebirth, it's both retro and came out on PC recently.

>>2798906
>>2799581

The guy shitting on cave every chance he gets and some more looks like the same faggot, don't engage him.

I enjoy touhou 6, been playing it for a few weeks on and off, it's fun to get good at, I can even explain why if anyone cares to listen. You can fight me but use better arguments than "u a waifu weeb".

>>2800175
It's not that we shit on Cave every chance we get, hell I actually even kinda like Cave and even Touhou to some degree. If it wouldn't be so horribly overrated, I probably even would have played Touhou by now. It's just that it is annyoing how overrated they are and how often people bring them up.

Here on /vr/ you just still have many of the classic shmup fans, who rather prefer Gradius games or similar. That's why you have so much shitflinging here, because not everyone likes bullet hell, but rather finds it sad how everyone merely only talks about Cave, Touhou and danmaku.

>>2800130
I have already played over 200 shmups and still think Ikaruga is the best STG ever made (although it's a bit unfair to compair it to other shmups, since it's much younger than most).

It gets a bit weird to play it on lower difficulties due to the scoring system, but when you play it on hard and have all enemies throwing dots at you when you shoot them, then the scoring system fits pretty damn well to the game.

It's just really not easy and requires a lot of memorization and technical skills to play it on a higher level (it's actually the only STG so far which makes me feel like needing an arcade stick to play it properly) , but for me that's only a plus.

What's your preferred controller?

I am best with a keyboard by a long shot (as long as the game does not require fast button mashing), tried to switch to a pad to get more comfy, but I sucked.

Just wanted to know how (un)usual that is.

>>2800473
Saturn desu, but I'm fine with using a 360 controller for emulation.

>>2800473
A lot of people consider keyboard to be easiest because of the precision. I use a Logitech Precison USB. It was like $8 and I've had it for years. Shit's great.

>>2800473
Arcade sticks are the best. I know people say it's a preference thing, but arcade sticks are objectively the best for these games. They are very precise and very good for quick direction changes.

Hey, what does /vr/ think of Change Air Blade? I think it's one of my favorites when it comes to battle shooters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moveGxHiREw#t=10m43s

I'm slowly getting into shoot'em ups. I recently beat my copies of Gradius 3 and Space Megaforce on SNES. Any SNES or PC recommendations?

>>2800779
Axelay and R-Type 3 are great. There's also two Darius games on SNES that have a mixed reception, but I like them.

>>2800779
If you like Gradius you definitely should get Satazius on PC. It's awesome, and very cheap on Steam.

For SNES you must play R-Type III.

>>2800779
Parodius is a safe bet since you liked Gradius. Super R-Type and Pop'n Twinbee are good too. Get a Genesis senpai

>>2792825
DOJBL best, too bad I am ass at it.
I hoped to get 2nd loop clear on weekend, but alas; my 2-5 is more consistent than 2-2.
At least I managed to optimize my 2-1 route.
I guess I should try A-L, but I am confined to a laptop with shitty keyboard. Guess I'll play Mushi 1.5 max. instead.

>>2800170
>Judgement Silversword Rebirth
Where can I buy? Always wanted to try it, hoping I could find a copy for my wonderswan, but the prices are naturally always absurd.

>>2800941
Steam for 5bux if you're into DRM.

>>2800791
>If you like Gradius you definitely should get Satazius on PC. It's awesome, and very cheap on Steam.
Just to back up this he's right satazius is absolutely top tier hori, when you unlock insane difficulty the games fun goes into a league of it's own, great fucking game.

>>2800754
>Arcade sticks are the best. I know people say it's a preference thing, but arcade sticks are objectively the best for these games. They are very precise and very good for quick direction changes.
Fuck off you lying annoying cunt this view has been proven wrong time and time again.

>>2800473
>What's your preferred controller?
I used a stick for 4 years and pad for last 2 which i prefer massively but it's whatever you feel best with.

>>2800754
[citation needed]

I'll take a d-pad or directional keys anyday before a joystick.

>>2801272
In b4 he tries using the "the best japanese players use arcade blahblah" angle which has much more to do with circumstance than player preference.

>>2800130
Except I literally have never said anything close to that, ever. You're just a troll. At least own it for fuck's sake.

>>2801272
>>2801287
It's true, the arcade stick thing is a bit of a myth. They do offer a lot of control, but it really all comes down to muscle memory and practice. I don't know a ton about high level Shmup players, but I know the myth of sticks being far better than pads in fighters doesn't really pan out. One of the best players in the world uses the d-pad on a dualshock 2 which shocked and irritated a lot of people who used to insist sticks were the only way to go.

>>2800791
I recommend Satazius more for Darius fans.

It's so Darius it hurts.

Gentleman & Scholar Tier:
Seimitsu Arcade Stick

Acceptable Tier:
Controller (e.g. Saturn)

Plebian Tier:
Keyboard

What does everyone think of this gem?

>>2802213
>tfw you realize 25 years later they're not firemen

>>2802213
I've had a spiritual successor in the works for a while. Trying to finish it.

Dreamcast newbie reporting.

I'm already familiar with Ikaruga and Gunbird 2, I've got Mars Matrix on backlog and, /v/recommends only lists Castle of Shikigami 2; what are the best shmups the Dreamcast has to offer?

Also, is there anyway to get the analog stick to work with Gunbird 2? No, I'm not purchasing an Arcade stick.

Does Bangai-O count as a shmup? that game is fun as shit.

>>2802339

Border Down of course.

>>2802364
k thanks

>>2802339
The Triangle Service and Milestone shmups are pretty fun.

>>2802339
All shoot em ups on Dreamcast are superior on arcade

>>2802414
So Chaos Field, Radiurgy, and Trizeal?

>>2802418
I'm not about to buy a bunch of cabinets. How many are MAME-able?

>>2802425
*Radirgy

>>2798619

It's usually western-made shmups that feature hitpoints. Among those I can name that do are Revolution Ace (fucking underwhelming) and Jets N Guns.

>>2802364
my nigger
I've been playing alot of Darius Gaiden and Battle Garegga. It's been over a month since i got them and I still prefer battle garegga despite its major flaws probably the best vertical shoot em up I've ever played probably.

>>2802418
You know Dreamcast is just a Naomi board, right?

There is no difference in games made on Naomi and Dreamcast "versions".

>>2802242
I hope you release it and I don't miss it.

>>2798619
>>2802464
(Star) Saviors is also one that does hitpoints.

>>2802540
>You know Dreamcast is just a Naomi board, right?
Well not exactly but it's very similar just with less ram.

>>2802418
>>2802540
Are there any Saturn shmups that are superior to their arcade counterpart?

>>2803616
Silvergun's story mode is the true way to play the game instead of arcade mode.

Cotton Boomerang and Soukyugurentai are the same, if not better on Saturn.

Gentlemen,

how do we stop the bullet hell genre?

>>2804304
Rev up the speed.

A Compile/Raizing speed shmup revival is the only thing dynamic enough to beat danmakoos.

>>2804341
>only 128k at Conflict
Shit nigga, learn to score.

>>2804341
why do you guys act like ibara never existed

>>2804304

Put anime girls in regular shmups.

>>2804382
SPEEDO DOWN GAH

>>2804304
What's there to stop? It's just as dead as every other sub-genre.

>>2804442
almost every new shmup is a boolet hell devoid of coherent level design

>>2804448
new shmup? where? I don't see any new shmups, except for some indie exceptions, but these also exist for non-bullet hell stgs.

>>2798343
It's good but I prefer Batsugun and Battle Garegga.

>>2804451
The bullet hell to non-bullet hell ratio of doujin shmups is 10:1.

>>2804478
Proof? That's not true. I'd say it's 50/50

>>2804341
Fuck me shite score aside i hope you don't actually play with the resolution as butchered as that?

>>2804382
>why do you guys act like ibara never existed
WAYYYYYYYYY to hard and complex for the pleb cunts here. Funny thing with some strategy it's actually not to hard at all until stage 5.

>>2804367
>>2805169
>tumblr_mc7uhd2NZY1rwszdgo(...).jpg

>>2804367


You guys are starting to be a parody of yourselves.

I get that playing for score can be satisfying and all, but forcing your OCD in every little comment you make is starting to look like you're trolls trying to falseflag shitpost to make STG fans look like insufferable autists.
I know it's not the case and you genuinely pride yourself on score on an anonymous board, but it won't be long until trolls and master baiters start doing it, if they haven't already.

>>2805194
What a sperg.

>>2805359

source on that pic? looks interesting

>>2805362
It's called ok soda.

>>2805180
Who cares? It's obviously some Google result.

>>2805374

I think that was his point, look at the posts he was replying to.

To the guy who recommended the Milestone shmups for Dreamcast, thank you. Radirgy is fun as hell

>>2805194
My goodness what an aspie, you probably bought a microwave because you like the way that numbers look.

>>2805498
>>2805359

>triggered scoreOCDfags that can't hold themselves when they look at a tumblr screenshot call other people "sperg" and "aspie" for calling them out on it

Is this post-post-irony?

>>2805532
I don't even care about scores, I called you a sperg because you were reading to deeply into an anon saying your score was shit. I think the only one triggered here is you.

Has there ever been a shmup that takes place in the world of plankton and tardigrades?

>>2805628

>your score

anon...

>>2805457
Milestone are actually made up of ex-Compile guys.

Chaos Field is probably my favorite.

>>2805457
>>2806079
Big Milestone fan myself, radirgy,karous and illvelo are my favs.

>>2805362
OK soda, a short lived soda that targeted generation-x CRAZY HARD with it's marketing.

>>2804367
>>2805169
>>2805194
>>2805359
>>2805532
>>2805628
All I did was post a random image I got off of Google.

Jesus Christ you people.

http://vgmrips.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&p=6962#p6962
this may be of interest to the people here

>>2806072
>anon said
...anon

So which is better, Radiant Silvergun or Ikaruga?

>>2807140

They're both equal but Gradius V is better than both. Treasure needs to make another shmup.

>>2807427
Fat chance. The guy that made all their shmups works at M2 now.

>>2807427
Gaiden > V

>>2807498
Most Gradius games > V

Shit didn't even have a motherfucking moai level, how can it call itself gradius?

>>2807474
>>2807427
He made Kokuga on 3DS, its a tank game really, rather than a shoot 'em up. Just in case you were interested.

It's ok, it's cute, but nothing outstanding.

>>2807839
He announced Ikaruga 2 a while back, should be coming out next year for PS4.

>not being made by Treasure

>>2807934
>Ubusana
Huh, wow, the more you know.

>>2807519
>Shit didn't even have a motherfucking moai level, how can it call itself gradius?

That was literally its only fault, though. It was the best Gradius game in every other regards.

>>2808016
>has a single fault
>best
Pick one, Treasure drone.

>>2808028
Not the guy, but what Gradius to you believe is entirely without faults?

>>2808016
>It was the best Gradius game in every other regards.
Nah I prefer gaiden and iv. V is way to long has annoying cut scenes, no moai and just generally bores me.

What's everyone playing atm? I've started on viper phase 1 today seems pretty good.

>>2808128
i finally picked up a copy of the deathsmiles collectors edition. Really enjoying it so far.

>>2802242
this actually looks like a lot of fun and I am not generally a fan of modern retro looking games.
Also, I love pikemen and landsknechts.

>>2808056
I'd say Gaiden.

My favorite is Leo though, but apparently that's not "hard enough" for people and they missed the Force over the Bits, but I don't consider those faults.

>>2808227
>Gradius Leo
What? You are talking about R-Type now, aren't you?

>>2808227
what the fuck

>>2807934
>>2807946
I just remembered that we kind of knew about this.

>Iuchi: If you want to call Ikaruga a sequel to Radiant Silvergun then you can call it a sequel, but it’s a little different than your typical “Part 2″ or “Part 3″ direct sequel. In reality it’s an entirely different game. Conceptually, it is tied to Radiant Silvergun, and both games share certain basic aspects. Originally we intended Radiant Silvergun itself to be a trilogy, but due to various circumstances we couldn’t achieve that. Ikaruga is connected with the ideas we had for the second game in that trilogy–specifically, our thematic ideas about the setting.

>Our concept theme for Radiant Silvergun was “World”, and for Ikaruga it is “Will”. The third game’s theme will be “Future”. As for the stories of each game, will they be connected? Yes. No. (laughs)

>It’s probably best that players not get their hopes for a straight “Radiant Silvergun 3″ sequel from us. In the process of making a game, the series’ original meaning and themes end up getting filtered and changed, as if the game were coming into its own sense of identity. Moreover, in a year or two the whole context of the STG genre will be different, so there’s no need for a Radiant Silvergun 3. There will be new games, and I encourage players to enjoy Ikaruga in the meantime.

I wonder if it will be anything like they imagined it in 2001.

>>2808227
Hahahah how in the fuck can you mix up the gradius series with the r-type series? Fuck me what a cunt. See what I mean about misinformation and clueless plebs in these threads now?

>>2808843
r-type is just gradius with bigger emphasis on pods and also porn

>>2796101
If you think you're powerful in IV you should play V where you can get CLAWs from the start and now they let you do super versions of every weapon and you can kill some bosses before they ever even touch you.

>>2808851
>sonic the hedgehog is just mario with bigger emphasis on speed.
No.

Garegga is love.
Garegga is life.

In this thread we make our predictions what discount percentage Mushihimesama will receive during the Steam winter sale.

>>2802242
Hey, me too anon. I'll try to post a gif in a bit.

>>2809929
you, i like you.

>>2810395
Unless it's as cheap as the pirated version i downloaded i won't be buying it.

>>2810395
They usually don't put sales on games that have just been released on steam.

Also
>using harmful software like Steam
Shameful display.

>>2807519
The lack of moai was weird, but aside from that I think V is the best Gradius. The giant space anus and fight against the space prostate was awesome.

Also lol on you spouting off opinions and not being able to tell R-type and Gradius apart. That gave me a chuckle.

>>2813292

Based Treasure.

>>2813310
I don't like to say it around here because I don't like agreeing with the troll dude, but I've never been too fond of Ikaruga or Radiant Silvergun, but Gradius V is one of my favorite shmups ever.

>>2813292
It's creative but it has some weird design choices. Like the blaster core boss and letting you keep your options whenever you die, essentially keeping you at max power throughout the entire game.

>>2813802
There's also the Revival thing which I absolutely hate, but if you turn it off there are some sections and bosses that are more or less impassable.

>>2813802
I'm fine with it keeping your power ups. If it's a shmup I like, I'm usually going to try for a 1cc before being done. So keeping all your bits when you die just makes the rest of that playthrough more "normal" practice for eventually going through it never fucking up.

>>2813819
Powerups by definition are temporary boosts to your abilities that make the game easier, and are lost when you screw up. It's the most fundamental concept of Gradius and letting you retain options just encourages bullet sponge bosses.

Although I understand their reasoning, lots of focus is put on different option styles and you can do more if the player is expected to always have some.

>>2813802
>letting you keep your options whenever you die

This is great though since a run doesn't end from a single fuckup like in past Gradius games. Plus this is just a feature from Salamander.

> essentially keeping you at max power throughout the entire game

No, because you'll be back at initial speed, you'll have no missiles, and no double/laser.

>>2813828
>Powerups by definition are temporary boosts to your abilities that make the game easier, and are lost when you screw up.

Obviously, but point being my ultimate goal is to make it through the game without screwing up ever. It is fun in a shmup after you die to scramble and try to rebuild your power. But doing that is quite different from the way you play when you haven't died and are just playing for survival and score. So while it is fun in most shmups, I'm not unhappy with the way GV mitigates it to a degree. Though having it as an option could have been interesting.

>>2813838
>>2813865
I just think it's weird that you keep the Options, the single most powerful tool available. In some games like Asian Gradius 3 you keep the lasers, missiles and some of the speed, but that's basically nothing compared to an option.

Has this thing ever been an issue to anyone? Why do they keep sending a completely ineffectual starship?

>>2813878
That's why I think it works that you keep them. But I do take your point.

The Rank system was also bullshit, instead of being based on your power-ups it's based on everything accumulated and dying doesn't reset the rank, so on later loops it becomes basically impossible because of the loop rank + all the power-ups you've gotten so far rank, which is bullshit.

Gaiden > II > IV > I > V > III

>>2813909
Which game? V?

III > Gaiden > V > II > IV >>>>> I

>arguing over Gradius when Parodius is far superiour
cum on /stg/

>>2814032
>implying the special stage of arcade gokyou parodius isn't literal bad design and a million times more bullshit than gradius ever was

lel let's surround the player with bullets 8 time sin a row

I started playing Parodius Nonsense Fantasy, and it's my first shmup. Is it a good choice?
I find it rather fun, I got to the fifth stage so far.
How do I improve? Do I repeat runs from the beginnings, or use continues when I keep dying?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfKbDRJv9Y8

Neat.

>>2814227
continue but dont consider a game beaten until you have beaten it without using continues.
But use continues to know and memorize the stages.

>>2814227
There's many options. You can save state at the beginning of each stage and move on only when you can consistently beat it without dying, then do proper runs when you're confident. You can credit feed and play it over and over until you get 1cc. You can try getting as far as you can on a single credit. Just experiment with all of those and see which one's the most fun for you.

DEGiCA confirmed that Mushi Futari is the next cave game to come to steam.

Though, I'd rather Muchi Muchi Pork! or SDOJ was coming instead.

>>2816394
Source?

>>2816596
One of their employees said so on system11, also it's going to have a counterstopless scoring mode. Don't expect it to come soon though, they want people to play Mushi for a while.

>>2816640
>counterstopless
Oh, so completely uncomparable to PCB

Not exactly shmup.

Should I play Starfox 64 if I am really enjoying Sin and Punishment?
Are there more games of that style perhaps on Playstation? I am playing them on a Wii but also have a PS2 that can play PS1 games.

>>2816646
For rail shooters IMO:
S&P 1&2 > Panzer Dragoon 1/2/Orta > Star Fox series > everything else


Also check out Omega Boost and Vanark on PSX

>>2814227
Save states as level select are the most effective, since you can concentrate on each sections better.

>>2816394
>DEGiCA confirmed that Mushi Futari is the next cave game to come to steam.
Should of been the first release imo skipping mushi entirely which is cool but just pales in comparison to futari imo, v1.5 was the only thing worth playing from this release.

>>2816659
>S&P 1&2 > Panzer Dragoon 1/2/Orta > Star Fox series > everything else
No rez?

>>2817067
Mushi > Futanari I'm right and you're wrong

>>2817704
Fuck me mate are you bloody stupid or wot? The patterns in Mushi are rubbish compared to nearly everything tossed at you in Futari, not to mention better scoring and shot types.

>>2817972
>11/25/15(Wed)14:45:48

>>2817973
11/25/15(Wed)14:46:25

Heh.

>>2817972
>better scoring
You better be talking about God Mode, son, because foriginal is the most boring, entry level scoring system you could possibly have.

>>2818095
>original is the most boring, entry level scoring system you could possibly have.
And that's exactly where Futari is better than the first, because at least it has a scoring system.

Both Mushis are poop.

Ikeda sucks at designing shmups.

>>2818103
If having a number in the corner that you don't even need to try to maintain makes you feel like you're scoring.

who /psikyo/ here

>>2818156
>If having a number in the corner that you don't even need to try to maintain makes you feel like you're scoring.
troll or thick cunt? I can't tell.

>checked out our /vg/ sister thread for the hell of it
>waifufags, danmaku dicksucking, noobs, and memeposting

Holy cancer, batman.

>>2818283

It's even worse when /v/ gets a "shmup thread" and it's just people pretending Touhou is good.

>>2818164
>Strikers 1945
More like Streakers 1945

>>2795180
>>2802339
Why, yes there is, if you don't mind a little piracy (of 15+ year old games) Buy an SD card adapter for the Dreamcast (and an SD card) and burn a CD at 4x with the Dreamshell Bootloader ISO. Download and copy Dreamshell OS to the SD card, along with SDISOs of whatever games you want to play, plug it all into the Dreamcast and you're good to go.
As for good Shmups on the thing, you already got most of the best ones, but I STRONGLY reccommend Triggerheart Exelica. It has solid controls, gameplay, and a unique anchor system. I've also heard that Sturmwind is awesome, never played it, but has amazing graphics.

Here's all the links you will need:
http://www.dc-swat.ru/download/dc/ds/4.0/DreamShell_4.0.0_RC3_and_Boot_Loader.7z
http://dc-sd.com/

Official YGW Tierlist:
Batrider > Garegga > MMP > Recca > Bakraid > Ibara > Pink Sweets

>>2818306
>>2818283
do you guys have any coherent logic for why danmaku or touhou are bad or is it just "it's more popular than muh oldschool shmups, so I hate it"
I'm asking because earlier in this thread I saw someone saying that he would play touhou if it wasn't so overrated, which begs the question how someone can be so stupid to call a game overrated that he has never played and continue not to play it because of it

>>2819120
That is a very good question. There's definitely some people in /vr/ who are retarded and refuse to play any game unless it's old enough to legally fuck.
Personally, I love touhou, imo it's one of the best, if not THE best series of Shooters ever. (4 5 and 8 are my favorites)
The controls are really tight, with bright, colorful, graphics and characters. It's also much more beatable than people initially think (albiet still really hard). Personally, I think IN and MS are like the incarnation of a shooter done right.

In b4 "LOL UR A WEEABOO PEDOPHILE FAGGOT! LEARN TO PLAY GOOD GAMES LIKE GALAGA HUR HUR HUR!"

>>2818609
Fuck off mate Ibara is easily top tier go pleb somewhere else you try hard cream puff.

>>2819120
Honestly all proper shmup fans appreciate and play every style of shooter regardless of preference. It's only the old twats in these threads who have to bring that football mentality and pretend its all about tribal allegiance to your preferred shmup style.

>>2819223
Playing games like Gradius is a totally different experience than playing Muchi Muchi Pork or whatever.

There is a reason why Cave has a little girl sucking on a toothbrush on their website... It's because they pander to weirdos who jerk it to MLP.

>>2819302
Hi grandpa.

>>2819120
>how someone can be so stupid to call a game overrated that he has never played and continue not to play it because of it
I don't have to play games to see if I like them or not. I also can just watch some gameplay from it.

And I honestly don't care about Touhou. It's a mediocre danmaku shooter nothing else. But yea, since it's so horribly overrated, to the point that it just becomes annoying, I don't want to play it out of principle.

>>2819310
>watching gameplay is the same as playing the game
uhmm.. no
>since it's so horribly overrated, to the point that it just becomes annoying, I don't want to play it out of principle.
that's gotta be one of the stupidest principles ever, even if you could judge the game (which you can't)

>>2819302
Imagine if cave made games with aeroplanes or spaceships in them. Wow, that would be amazing.

>>2819314
>watching gameplay is the same as playing the game
I never said this you retard. But just because you are too dumb to see which games you like to play and which not, doesn't mean everyone else is this retarded.

>>2819324
It's not just that they have waifus in them, it's the whole style of the games. The artstyle, the twitch based gameplay, the music, etc...

I also like Parodius although you fly with pigs in it, because the game actually is original.

>>2819329
Shame my sarcasm didn't shine through.

>>2819309

>using "grandpa" as an ad-hominem on /vr/ of all places

hi junior, enjoying your level design?

>>2819302
I went to Cave's website and I found no little girl sucking on a toothbrush. How dissapointing! Why did you lie to me?

>>2819343
>delivering no point whatsoever and thinking people use an ad-hominem on you as annonymous user

>>2819346

But are you enjoying your bullet hell level design yes or no, junior?

>>2819349
yes, if you think they have none it's because you never played a decent one. It's not just random bullet spam as people like you seem to believe for lack of proper understanding.

>>2819349
Yes. I also particularly enjoy the level design of Salamander, Dragon Spirit and Gunhed/Blazing Lasers just to mention a few. Played Gun Nac recently too, was pretty cool. Similar to Gunhed so nice.
Now take your
>my sub-genre is better than your sub-genre
somewhere else, gramps.

>>2819353
How about you take your "if you don't like every game of genre you don't like the genre" elsewhere?

There are some decent danmaku games, but the vast majority of them are just cheap waifu trash, especially nowadays.

>>2819351

random? danmaku have clear patterns, I never implied that they're random.

>>2819353
wait, what sub-genre am I supposed to be saying it's better, junior?

>>2819359
>I never said my games are better than those that pander to weirdos who jerk it to MLP
nice backpedaling

>>2819361
Eh, that was me who said this, tard. And if you believe Cave doesn't pander to waifu tards nowadays, then you really must be blind.

Even cave fans who love Dodoopeepee admit this.

>>2819357
You don't have to like all games of the genre but calling it
>cheap waifu trash
is a bit harsh, and as a result you're being a dick about it. Understand that other people like the bullet-hell subgenre, waifus or no waifus.

>inb4 this is 4chan need to scream at everybody

>>2819361

that wasn't me, you are discussing with more than 1 anon.

>>2819369
anon is always having arguments with himself

Imagine is people just like different things while disliking others?

>>2819367
You also must understand that some people are just a bit frustrated with where the genre went. I honestly have no problem with games like Touhou, Muchi Muchi Pork or whatever. But it's still a bit sad if that's really what the vast majority of people nowadays understand of a "good shmup".

If you can't understand this, then I think you really should go to /vg/ instead /vr/.

>>2819373
The vast majority of people don't even know what a shmup is, anon.

Well, I did have a concept of the genre before the naming was introduced to me, anyhow.

>>2819374
Are you acting retarded on purpose or are you really this dumb?
I think I made my point clear enough. Should you all play your Touhous or whatever, i don't care, but don't act surprised when some people are fed up with danmaku because all you hear about shmups nowadays is merely "Cave waifus here, Touhou waifus there".

>>2819374

Not him, but that's precisely his point. Shmup used to be one of the most popular genres during /vr/ times, and nowdays most people into the genre play danmaku and danmaku only, and that's what companies do nowdays because that's what its niche audience consume.
I'm also not against danmaku, in fact I enjoy some and then, but I'd also like to see another proper Gradius or R-type, or Thunder Force, or anything that isn't danmaku, for the sake of variety.

>>2819374
Not even the guy, but you really make a case for yourself being young and unexposed.

>>2819373
>>2819378
>I'm set in my ways.
>Man whippersnappers.
>It used to be so much better in my days.
Yep, you're a gramps alright.
Are you happy having turned into a gramps in your, i presume, mid-thirties anon?

Live with the fact that SHMUPs have turne into a niche genre and has evolved to cope with that.

I know saying these sorts of things are sort of sacrilege here in /vr/ but seriously some of you are so old and grumpy, and I'm not meaning in an age-related way

>>2819384
I'd also like to add: It's not like the old SHMUPs have suddenly turned unplayable.
Like many retro game genres it's unlikely they will ever be made in the same way again. Deal with it.

>>2819302
>Playing games like Gradius is a totally different experience than playing Muchi Muchi Pork or whatever.
Ahoy captain obvious and yet most competent players enjoy them all to some level. The difference is plebs like you say experience and mean aesthetics whilst decent players say experience and mean how the actual game works.

>>2819325
Tbh you are a fucking retard though, most players try everything because experience has taught them that you simply cannot judge games in this genre fully and often ones you initially dislike end up having super cool systems or whatever that draw you in so you are seriously starving yourself judging solely on how a game looks.

>>2819349
>But are you enjoying your bullet hell level design yes or no, junior?
Senpai i'm better than you at every type of shooter out, now fuck off with your weird meme bullshit.

>>2819384
>evolved to cope with that.
Now even I am a little upset with you. Do you even know how we got to this stage? Do you know about the great saturation of the market in the late 90s? All constant challenge scaling that isolated new players, too feed the niche?

One of the main reasons we "evolved" into waifu games was that the only people left were die hard score players. Companies looked around, and saw that cute things were cute and boosted sales with the biggest spenders, anime otaku.

I mean say what you want about game design. But this niche evolution as you describe it, is actually the result of makers saturating their market, willingly and on purpose. There are countless interviews from Compile, Treasure, Topan and the like, describing the process over the years.

The cute girls stuff is only there too bait people with their cocks, whatever comes after be the game good or awful, is forgiven or praised by virtue of the bait:cute girls.

>>2819384
>>2819386

>cope with that
>deal with it

wow junior, you sure told those grandpas!

A genre stagnating is not a good thing. Again, I don't _hate_ danmaku, but I'd like to see some diversity again, and I hopes that in the future, new developers will start experimenting again and not just pander to a specific niche audience.

You say nothing can be the same again, but I say I'm old enough (yeah yeah, a gramps!) to see that trends come and go, and many things that were once extinct make a come back later on.

It happens with fashion, happens with music, and with video games too.

>>2819390
Yes, clearly, if you can't enjoy Touhou you are not a real shmup fan... Sure thing...

>>2819392
You also can get a pretty good grasp of the gameplay of a game by watching superplays of it or reading about it. At least if you are not a total retard.

People like you are the perfect examples of the typical Steam users who buy thousands of games and end up only playing them for 1 hour.

>>2819396
Why complain about getting a good game + some eye candy on the side?

But nice to finally see some replies with some substance, not just whining.

>>2819397
I guess indies (inb4 indies are bad and cheap /v/ meme) could theoretically drive such an evolution forward.

The warning sign for this thread really is appropriate.

>>2818283
>checked out our /vr/ sister thread for the hell of it
>people dickwaving over how their favorite type of a niche genre is better
holy cancer, batman.

>>2819404
>getting a good game + some eye candy on the side
>getting another rehash + cheap otaku bait on the site
FTFY

>>2819404
>Why complain about getting a good game + some eye candy on the side?

Well isn't that just the thing. It isn't an evolution, the games have stagnated into bullet curtain since 1999 basically. Sure, we had Gradius V, and a few other more traditional pieces. But even if we overlook the waifu business, which is there to rope players in, the games themselves aren't drastically different. The step from Invader/Galaga to Twinkle Star Sprites/Ikaruga/LayerSection is far larger than anything since.

Additionally, the theme of cute girls is sort of self destructive. It speaks to a certain niche really. If the core problem with the games since the late 90s was that people stopped approaching them, then maybe makers need to rethink how to make the games more approachable than the cute girls aesthetic and theme. Anime is popular, but it isn't mainstream, not in the way cave and Touhou have been doing it anyway.

>>2819410
>>2819414
>cheap otaku bait
>anime not mainstream
You're forgetting that these games are being developed, and actually was being developed too back in the day, for the Japanese market primarily. The American, European and rest of the world markets are just an afterthought.

If you're an obsessive gamer in Japan, then you're basically "game otaku" anyway so hardcore gamers and otaku are basically the same group.

>>2819421
Also even people who aren't even that into anime and all that are far more willing to overlook the aesthetic, because it takes from manga.

And BOY is manga mainstream.

Gradius V was the peak of shmups.

>>2819421
I am not forgetting anything, friend. I am just making a clear statement about the accessibility of the genre. Sure manga as a medium, but manga is a platform. And to be fair, I made the mistake of not making that clear. Anime and Manga are medium, the styles and genres in them then define their readership. Shoot em ups today, are largely dominated but cute little girls. Yes, they have market pulling power.

But that doesn't mean they are accessible, even in the Japanese market place. Lolis aren't this magical, all appealing theme everyone can get into. Many JRPGs fell into the same trap, diminishing their quality through riding harder and harder against the curb of character archetypes. Now you might retort "Jap games for japs." and I don't disagree. But I don't think we can deny that Japan and Asia in general milk winning formulas dry until they are forced to be creative again. And that is what cave has been doing ever for like the last 15+ years.

The point I want to make is that they might not be the only option because they are superior or better - the magnum opus of the genre, but rather the most safe, and least bold, devoid of risks, because they can't afford risks when their user base and market share is so niche.

>>2819401
>You also can get a pretty good grasp of the gameplay of a game by watching superplays of it or reading about it. At least if you are not a total retard.
Hahaha yeah right you are showing how fucking ignorant you are, Name me a single superplay that upon a few viewings you have understood everything that the player is doing? There literally isn't one and no competent player would ever suggest otherwise.

>People like you are the perfect examples of the typical Steam users who buy thousands of games and end up only playing them for 1 hour.
And this is why i've played Ketsui exclusively for the last 4 months is it? And guess what i've watched Sps and mrmonkeymans superplays many many times and am still picking out little things but hey keep believing you're some crazy analyst with a t-101 eye even though you aren't playing shit beyond basic level.

>>2819432
>Gradius V was the peak of shmups.
It's not even the best in the Series.

>>2819458
>Gradius Leo
Yes, yes, we know already.

>>2819458

It objectively has the best gameplay of all the games in the series.

>>2819463
1hr loops, no Moai, Shit unskippable cutscenes, killed the gradius formulae and adopted the danmaku hitbox, dumbed down difficulty with instant respawn for the whiney bitches. Gaiden is better than V and you're objectively a cuntball.

Treasurefags are the cancer killing shmups. At least Cavefags have played games outside of their niche developer.

>>2819469

>bitching about an hour of fun
>muh moai
>bitching about cutscenes that last about 10 seconds
>bitching about the gradius formula being revitalized after the turd that was 4
>bitching about a smaller hitbox that allows the game designers to throw crazier shit at you and also allow you to get away with crazy shit
>actually complaining about the loss of the garbage checkpoint system (which you can still use)
>bitching about dumbed down difficulty and then praising gaiden

>>2819478
>4 turd
your post -----> discarded

Nemesis '90 Kai > Gaiden > V > III > II > 1 > Advance > IV > II (GB) > I (GB)

Parodius > Salamander > Gradius

>>2819494
Salamander > Gradius
Great tastes!
Parodius > Salamander
I dunno man, not sure I can agree with you on that one.

>>2819472
>At least Cavefags have played games outside of their niche developer
You'd be surprised.

>>2819452
I do not have to play every game to see if I like it or not, no matter which genre. I do not have to play fucking Witcher 3 to see if I like it or not, just like I don't have to play fucking Fallout 4 to see if I like it or not. I already know that I won't like them, because I know what type of RPGs they are, and I have seen and read about them.

If you can not understand this, then I'm really sorry for you to be this slowly minded, but you must understand that this is not the case for everyone. Must be pretty confusing for you to find new games to play if you can't decide at all which ones you find interesting before playing them extensively.

Oh look another shmup thread ruined by danmaku tards. Yep, shmups are really dead.

>>2819351
Spoken like someone that's never gotten to a second loop in a Cave game. It really feels like Ikeda just dumped a bunch of random bullets everywhere with no thought or care put into it and called it a day.

>>2819220
I hope you mean Ibara Kuro BL and not the shitty broken original version of the game.

>>2819801
Why is it broken? It's exactly like garegga.

>>2819819
>It's exactly like garegga.
Not really... arcade mode doesn't even have MUSHA-style options.

>>2819868
That's true, you can't change formations right?

>>2819883
Right, they're fixed, but BL lets you shift through the various option types, along with having a more brutal rank multipliers and a slowdown shot similar to Doodoopoopoo. It's simply an overall better experience imo.

>>2818609
>implying Battle Bakraid isn't Yagawa's magnum opus
What's the matter? Chaining + medaling + grazing + suiciding too hard for you, kid?

>>2819801
How is ibara broken? never heard suck bollocks in my life. Ibara bl is ass played for score not that you'd know you shit spewing idiot.

>>2819947
all yagawa games are broken, technically

>buggy rank system that rewards killing yourself

>>2819437
Well, the west ought to make shmups for the west then. But the west is too busy making shooter of the year 2017

>>2819947
>Ibara bl is ass played for score
Translation:
>I'm too shit at Ibara BL to play it for score, so I prefer the inferiour original version.

>>2819437
Also the reason why you don't see much development in shmup genres lies not with the fact that shmups use cute little girls to turn a profit. It's that gaming copmanies in Japan are figuring they can turn a profit using only cute little girls with little to no further content in shitty pay-to-win mobile games.

If anything it's the cute little girls that's keeping shmups from dying altogether. You better pray for Japans economy to improve if you want them to take more risks.

>>2802339
Border Down is best, Milestone stuff sucks, and Trizeal snuck up on me and I ended up really loving that one.

>>2819978
>with little to no further content
Trying too hard, I honestly think dfk bl is the best system cave has come up with, and I'm not talking about the gay hyper thing, you can mostly ignore hypers in BL.

>>2820072
Catsui is CAVE's finest scoring.

Point blank to win, simple enough.

So, for next thread, I was thinking of putting a challenge in the OP, and we can post screencaps of our attempts at it. Anyone have some suggestions?

I have 1cc'd like 40 arcade games but not a single shoot 'em up, what is a good place to start?

any tips so I stop sucking at thunder force V?

How do I use free range?

How do I beat Guardian Angel? (stage 4's boss)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B92FJPZkfdc

Oh, fuck.

>>2820390

yow, the jrock thread is here:
>>2820326

>>2820392
fuck off with your viral

>>2820458 (You)

>viraling japanese music videos from the 70s and the 80s

that's not how viral works.

I'm not the OP of that thread if that's what you mean. his thread has been hijacked until a mod does something about it.

>>2819973
>>I'm too shit at Ibara BL to play it for score, so I prefer the inferiour original version.
>I'm so ill informed and plebian at shmups that i believe Ibara bl is harder to score in than vanilla ibara.

You're a joke son don't get mad that you can only play tiny hitbox games to make yourself feel badass whilst yagawa kicks the fuck outta your pathetic ass.

>>2819991
>Milestone stuff sucks,
No it doesn't you stupid gay cunt and they have the best osts in the genre.

>>2819961
>all yagawa games are broken, technically
>>buggy rank system that rewards killing yourself
Yagawa games function exactly how they were designed to there is no broken about it and definitely nothing buggy. Just because his ruleset isn't orthodox doesn't make it broken or otherwise now stop making shit up as yet another clueless bastard fills this thread. There is no reward for killing yourself either, the rank raises if you are doing to well and drops when you die and grants a life every million so having the brain to use these basic rules to your advantage is surely an obvious progression in playing? oh no wait your to dumb and stuck in your ways lemme guess "hurrr erry shootin gaem shud have shoot,move,bomb and dodge da bullets to stay alive erryfin else iz broken"

>>2820307
>what is a good place to start?
espgaluda.

>>2820468
>(You)