/vr/ - Retro Games

===NEWS===

[11-13] The /newstuff Chronicles #487
https://www.doomworld.com/php/topstory.php?id=4521

[11-07] Hotline 666 progress video
https://youtu.be/KJhPWw5dDXY

[11-04] Games Done Quick speedruns announced:
Doom, Pirate Doom, Strife:VE, Quake, DescentII, [Wrack, Wolf:TOB]
>>2776705
https://gamesdonequick.com/submission/all

[11-04] Anon map release: tree_new.wad
>>2775935
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B8xWmOI7IYl3aFNXZy1uS1FzNVE

[11-03] Anon map release: Steam Boat Impy
>>2775347
http://rghost.ru/7wDpXMY2X

[11-02] Anon map release: Devoured
>>2773942
http://www.mediafire.com/download/iq8y2bzujofv26d/Devoured.zip

[11-02] Retro Jam 4 - 8 Episode 4 themed maps (Quake)
https://www.quaddicted.com/reviews/retrojam4.html

[11-01] The /newstuff Chronicles #486
https://www.doomworld.com/php/topstory.php?id=4514

[10-31] Angry Anna's Halloween Quest, by the swan fox guy
https://zandronum.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=6536

[10-29] Comfy Doom V2 released
>>2767105
https://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1517044

[10-28] SUAB v0.4a released
>>2764558
http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?p=865999#p865999

[10-27] Quake Live final update is live.
http://steamcommunity.com/games/282440/announcements/detail/101688990770553028

[10-25] Anon map release: bland.wad
>>2758204
http://www.mediafire.com/download/glezdk2k2y5e02n/bland.wad

[10-22] BDv21 starter pack, all 150MB+ of it
http://www.best-ever.org/download?file=starterpacktestoct21.wad
http://www.best-ever.org/download?file=bdtest21octtestnew.pk3

[10-22] Doom 4 alpha footage (edited highlights, plus marketing drivel. skip to 0:59)
https://youtu.be/JTfe7V-_3r0?t=59s

[10-22] Anon map release: Iceplant2
>>2752451
https://www.mediafire.com/?zeri83o644zo2uz

[10-21] Quake Live beta goes public.
http://esreality.com/post/2778188/ql-steam-exclusive-beta-goes-public/

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To submit news, please reply to this post.

>>2794875
>the metal plate rig in his crotch section is colored the same as his skin
triggered

Is there a texture pack that contains upside down versions of the original textures so I don't have to do this shit myself?

I wonder if there's any development for that hentai doom

>>2794882
Okay.

I've been away for a while. What does BD's Starter Pack include anyway?

Any recommendations for funny wads?

>>2794938

A mapset made with BD in mind. Not bad at all in all honesty.

Are there any old fps' with scifi/evolved reptile enemies? I'd like to reuse the sprites without having to make one from scratch.

>>2794972

Reelism

Are these threads compatible with Smooth Doom?

>>2794981
>Not bad at all in all honesty.

I really didn't like it. The stolen Freedoom maps really stand in stark contrast with the ZDoom-designed maps, and not in a good way.
Not to mention the maps themselves seemed bloated with unnecessary shit that was there simply for the sake of being there, and really bogged down the experience. That fucking constant klaxon on map01 is a perfect example.

The bloated filesize is just the icing on the metaphorical cake.

>>2794501


FUCK IT. I'M SHARING IT ANYWAY.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/rxtmld5r1rp5qzu/Combined_ArmsWIP2.pk3?dl=0

Hopefully this is the correct place to ask, but someone had a uh... lewd doom I saw before and it looked pretty great. Anyone able to fill me in on what that is about, or provide links please? Much obliged.

anybody got a playthrough for 32 inch nails MAP01? i'm stuck.

>>2795084
Am I meant to do a Zharkov attack when I press "use item" with fists selected?

>>2795123
there are many "lewd doom"s.
you probably want:
http://hdoomguy.tumblr.com/tagged/hdoom
otherwise you want:
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/themes/x-rated/i_am_old_enough_to_look_at_this/

>>2795084
damn it, man, i could have put this in the news post!!

>>2794995

heh

>>2794928
k

>>2794995
but smooth doom is actually good

>>2794982
Doesn't the redone sprite set for Freedoom include some reptilian creatures?

>>2795210
yes. although some of them were removed again.

commit 646238e2562885e74f3fd4f7a36b9e9270675b93
Date: 2015-09-29 05:17:53 -0700

Revert "sprites: new reptillian powerups"

These were poorly received by the community.

>>2795084
pretty good so far.
- the axe is very strong, i killed a baron without taking any damage.
- i assume the pistol is meant to have infinite ammo?
- the shotgun sounds as powerful as doom's ssg or even more but appears no stronger than doom's shotgun => thus seems underpowered
- the plasma ssg is way strong - can three-shot a baron - but ammo is short. i suppose you need the chaingun to synergise with it but that is not always available.
- the chaingun itself is very strong though.
- fast firing rockets are nice but their inaccuracy is unfortunate. the spitty ball altfire thing is funny though.
- yet to work out the best way to use the charge-up gun. you can 't hold the button down and spray like i'm used to doing with the original plasma gun.
- no bfg on the level i was testing on, can't comment on that yet.

so yeah it's not too overpowered, i need to carry on and work out which weapons are best at which situations because the balance has all changed from what i'm used to.

does anybody know how to set keybinds for custom messages in zandronum?

>>2795274
Bind [key] "say [text]"

>>2795274
in the console

bind f "say blahblah"

something like that i think

http://wiki.zandronum.com/Console_Commands

>>2795281
>>2795282

thank you

>>2794860
Not that I know of, I guess you'll just have to do it yourself.

>>2794882
But it always was.

>>2795304
I misrembered then I guess

could've sworn it was colored silver but I doubled checked the sprites and the color was the same as his skin there too, huh

>>2795325
heh i think if it were silver then "the cyberdemon wears metal briefs" would be a meme to rival "the revenant wears pants"

>>2795340
I'm surprised "the cyberdemon wears a corset" didn't become a meme

>>2795142
H doom it is. Not sure if I can play it, because well... sexing up DooM seems a bit awkward. Spriting seems top notch at least. Thanks friend Anon.

>>2795281
>>2795282
>>2795291
"update"

it now says "unknown command" every time i use it in testing. am i doing something wrong?

>>2795435

Probably. Write out the bind you used, please?

>>2795449
kp1=\chme\cjr\cgde\cx

i should also mention that i'm writing straight in the ini under "[doom.bindings]", because i can't remember every color code.

>>2795453

You appear to have completely ignored the suggestions they gave you.

Put say after the = and before the \ch

>>2795460
And the quotation marks on the ends, i did that & it still says, unknown command:"say [this]".

>>2795460
ok, upon further testing, i found out i written it out the format wrong. thanks for putting up with me

https://www.doomworld.com/vb/source-ports/84678-could-doom-retro-be-better-than-prboom-glboom/

>>2795550
My immediate answer is no.

>>2795550

Hah hah hah no.

>>2795550
>What I like about Doom Retro is that it does not add features to Doom but rather redefines Doom.

>>2795550
no.

>>2795574
Sounds like one of those shitty gaming jornalism sites shilling some crappy game

Anyone got a link to download No Rest for The Living?

>>2795609
i think it's in the iwads zip linked in the faq

>>2795574
What in the actual fuck.

>>2795642
That's the first place I checked, It's not there.

>>2795657
hmm you are right. i could have sworn NERVE.WAD was in there. sorry.

Why?

>>2795574
>>2795650
i can only think he means instead of gracefully extending doom with new features whilst remaining compatible he prefers compatibility to be thrown out the window in favour of shiny bells and whistles that are active by default? i honestly don't know

>>2795668
at a guess you're just meant to die there? like the e1m8 ending.

>>2795550
That's so obviously the author of Doom Retro trying to plug his mediocre and pointless sourceport.

Maybe if you made it as a Decorate mod for ZDoom ports, or a fork of PrBoom if you absolutely HAVE to make your own sourceport.

anyone got a link to the PlayStation/N64 sounds and music uploaded by some anon long ago?

have a gif in return

>>2795732
*Doom 64 music

>>2794982
The closest creature to that one in your picture is the alien from Redneck Rampage - it's face isn't terribly lizard-like but it's skin texture kind of is at least.

http://www.spriters-resource.com/pc_computer/redneckrampage/sheet/33738/

>>2795550

This dude is SO getting his cyber ass whooped

>>2795694
>Maybe if you made it as a Decorate mod for ZDoom ports, or a fork of PrBoom if you absolutely HAVE to make your own sourceport.
as a student of the prboom (especially prboom-plus) code base i am not surprised at all that people choose to fork chocolate doom instead.

it is a patchwork quilt code base hacked on by a dozen different people over a period of years. it is very messy and has never been cleaned up. you don't just need to know C to read it, you also need to have a working knowledge of 10+ years of engine and demo debugging to understand the various emulations of undefined behaviour added as demo sync fixes.

>look over Steam library

>look over GOG library

Play some more Doom.

>>2794995
>>2794995

Okay, you got me and I chuckled. 8/10

>>2795132

Sshhhh.

Yes.

>>2795147

This mod ain't ready yet, but soon.


>>2795246

Thank you for the feedback, once I get home from work I'll sit down and see what I can do about tweaking this stuff.

>>2795210
>>2794982
This thing? It's not finished yet as far as I know

How come people were so amazed by enemies being able to dodge bullets by crouching in Quake 2 when Hexen 2 already did it before?

>>2796050
cause hexen 2 wasnt popular

>>2795892
I don't like raymoohawk's spritework at all
am I the only one?

>>2796115
>am I the only one?
No

>>2796050
>>2796085
this, people are only amazed by a cool new thing if it's actually popular enough for them to see it
for example, people getting blown away by a game like bioshock

>>2796085
>>2796179
Well that's just sad. What if there was some other game with technological marvel that was ignored due to it not being popular?

>>2795210
>>2795224
>>2795892
That's really good, is this reptile being pulled from Freedoom entirely? I hope not.. If it is, I guess I'll have to ask Raymoohawk if it's okay to use the sprites, and if there's any more.

>>2795763
Doesn't really fit what I was going for, but it does work for something else, so thanks, really.

>>2796210
that weapon always seemed so fucking creepy to me in a way

>>2796050
Those guys ducked basically every single time you threw something at them, it was annoying as hell for me, they might as well just be midgets.

>>2796247
>is this reptile being pulled from Freedoom entirely?

No. He's still working on that big reptile(It will replace the baron of hell think). The ones that were removed where some powerups that looked like smaller, fatter lizards.

>>2795550
I like how VGA says port vs port discussions aren't useful, and then proceeds to participate anyway.

>>2796273
Oh sweet, looking forward to it, then.

Map 01 - 04 has some changes

Still working on Map05, the layout is finished all i need to do is re-texture some areas

http://www.best-ever.org/download?file=gbadmremakev4c.wad

any good vanilla wads in development?

it seems like the new cool thing is either -complevel 9 or heavy dehacked usage, not a fan of either to be honest

>>2795550
is doom retro demo compatible?

no? there's your answer

>>2796115

I his spriting skills are excellent, but I really don't like his ideas for monsters.
Its all a bit too snake/reptile like for me.

And because of that they're losing the whole Demon/Hell feel.

Again his spriting skills are excellent, but he lacks good ideas for a horror game.

How does the alchemy mechanic work on Wrath of Cronos? I have a few "reagents", I used a few and the probably did something, but I don't know what

>>2796115
I don't really like the high-constrast, pillow shaded super muscle definition/bubbles he puts on a lot of his stuff. It needs to be pulled back a bit to look more natural in my opinion.

>>2796382
Somebody should talk him into doing a Turok TC

You guys think it's an issue that so many weapons are cell based in combined_arms?

We got the particle smasher, buster rifle, and the daibatana

I've been toying with the idea of making one of those weapons use a different ammo supply or add some mechanic to charge up one of those weapons. I'm open for suggestions.

I could always make the daibatana build up charge when you whack shit with it or hit them with normal balls. Then once you hit 100℅ you get enough juice for like, two or three big hits or like 10 piercing shots

>>2796179
>Bioshock

Eh, it wasn't System Shock, but it was still pretty good, IMO. 2 was also good.

Infinite was overhyped trash, though.

>>2796417
Energy weapons are just kind of lame

>>2796592

Hey. You're lame, laser guns are COOL, don't talk shit about my laser raifu

Anyone have a webm of Project MSX's full charge punch?

>>2796417
>You guys think it's an issue that so many weapons are cell based in combined_arms?

possibly, but only in the sense of typical map balance -- cells (and rockets) are usually rarer than shells and bullets.

i suppose that's why the nailgun altfire does what it does. i like the idea of being able to convert resource types (shells + enemy health -> plasma), but i found it quite a slow (and thus irritating, and prohibitive during combat) process.

>>2796364
BTSX E3
UDTWID
FDTWID
TNT2
TNTR

No idea when any of these will get finished, though.

>>2796364
I am a bit worried about heavy dehacked use myself. Really bummed me out when 50 monsters decided to use lots of custom monsters.

>>2797023
yeah it's the latest fad i guess. like how everything a few years ago had to have a custom playpal

>>2797105
>everything

not even Reed Richards has stretched so much in his life compared to what you just said

I know this is a Doom thread, but does anyone know the cvar to switch to grapple then back to previous weapon in Quake 3/Live?

>>2796050
dat situational awareness of the player

I've played some Shantae sequels recently, and I came to realise:

I want a Doom-like game (on same engine preferably) with bright cartoony, smoothly animated monsters and colorful landscapes.

Hocus doom comes to mind, but it's not nearly finished, and the sprites are way too lowres

>>2797347
sounds turbogay mate

>>2797361
Does Metal Slug sounds turbogay to you too?
Man, you must've had a sad childhood.

>>2797363
i wouldnt call metal slug bright cartoony, when i think bright cartoony i see mlp
but now you've mentioned metal slug i see what you mean. and yeah.. as a single child with amiga 600, i had pretty weird childhood

>>2794875
Man, Nuke Mine is actually a pretty decent E1 replacement, considering its from 1994.

https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom/m-o/nukemine

>>2797347
I'd recommend Adventures of Square but the sprites in that are even more basic.
Great game though.

Is there any possible way to change the Gamma for Chocolate Doom, or is it stuck the way it is?

>>2797614
Nigger, literally F11
How are there people who still don't know this after 22 years

>>2797614
Dude, you may not believe me, but Chocolate Doom is the closest thing to Vanilla you can get, and all vanilla things work there too.
Press F11

>>2797389
Giving this a go. Love me some E1 replacements.

>Master Chief VS Doomguy death battle
so we can all agree this was blatant pandering, right?

they're so full of shit if they mention legitimate facts on both sides for both characters and then proceed to shit the bed that hard. I'm pretty fucking sure the Unmaker doesn't work off Demon energy and Doomguy doesn't move anywhere near that slow.

>>2797824
This has been discussed to death (hue) already, anon. We've already come to the conclusion that Death Battle is, in fact, a rock of shit.

You could say the same for modern ScrewAttack, too.

Opinions would've been different if it wasn't Doom general.

>>2797824
>>Master Chief VS Doomguy death battle

If only this had a remaster? that would be nice.

>>2797832
what other strawmen and falseflagging posts would halo kiddies spout that they hadn't earlier in youtube comments already?

besides the "he savd duh univrseee u guiseeeee!!!" (even though Commander Keen did it already predating MC by a decade), that is.

>>2797824
Like the other guy said, it has been discussed to death, and it's also common knowledge that the guys behind the videos are huge Halo fanboys.

What does /doom/ think of FreeDOOM?
I think it's alright, sprites could be better, though

>>2797884
Freedoom is great. The levels are pretty fun.

>>2795668

It's not meant to be taken seriously. There's also a map like that one after the secret map

>>2797884
haven't played it

where should I begin?

>>2797832

No, even on /co/ general consensus is that Death Battle is completely full of shit.
Toph VS Gaara, Mega Man VS Astro Boy, Deadpool VS Deathstroke, and more, they've done colossal fuck-ups on major battles.

It's a fun show for well-animated fight scenes, but they're nowhere near the authority they want or claim to be. One Minute Melee is superior in that regard.

>>2797913
There's FreeDOOM Phase 1 and 2, they're really meant as replacements for the original DOOM 1 and 2, they're meant to be compatible with all level packs, but you can start with any
I still like Phase 1 more than Phase 2. level design still gets me

>>2797824
Welcome back Donald

>>2797824
They will always pick whatever gives the most views or fanboy anger(Which in turn will become more views)

Taking it seriously is what they want.
People saying it's stupid is what they want.
Do the right thing and ignore it.

>>2797884
that's a really old version, that's fraggle's old E1M3 which has been replaced some time ago

fun fact though, there's a highly zdoomified version of it in the brutal doom starter pack

>>2797947

Among other Freedoom maps.
It's good to see Mark is taking inspiration of how2map from Touhou Doom.

>>2797913
https://freedoom.github.io/download.html

download Freedoom Phase 1+2. this will get you two iwads. point a boom-compatible engine at them.

phase1 is E1-E4, phase2 is MAP01-MAP32. how boom-based engines expect them (no mapinfo).

play them in whichever order you want.

>>2797938
the hell is this supposed to mean?

>>2797921
Phase 1 is incomplete though. A lot of maps on episode 2 and 3 are just dummy maps. The first episode is the only one that is complete, and it's a pretty solid episode.

>>2798106
yeah. P1E1 is good, P1E4 is also good (since it's Double Impact)

>>2797921
>>2797969
alright, thanks a lot

also, I'm not certain how naive of me this is but I have faint memories of me playing MAP13 of Doom II when I was younger and taking legit five hours to reach the exit, and when I finally beat it, the par time screen read something along the lines of "you suck!"

can somebody confirm this? was this a thing in the original game as well?

>>2798138
If you take more than an hour on a level your time at the end is "SUCKS"

Necromancer OP as fuck.
>you can summon minions for ridiculously low amounts of mana
>minions are extremely powerful and rarely die once you get them past level 5
>get the morphing power
>morph into a demon and wreck even more shit
>by the time the morph is over, you have already recharged more mana than you used to morph
>keep morphing forever
>never waste ammo again

>>2798156
watisdis

>>2798138
yes if you take more than one hour to finish a map, the vanilla intermission screen says time: sucks

ports change this. prboom added an hour count and as a result you need to take 100 hours to get time: sucks. zdoom also has an hour count but puts "sucks" above the time if it's over an hour.

>>2798164
Wrath of cronos. It's an RPG mod for Hexen, but there are patches for Doom, Heretic and Strife too.

>>2798170
>zdoom also has an hour count but puts "sucks" above the time if it's over an hour
ah, so thats what that was all about

thanks

What's the consensus on the best Midi Driver to use?
I've heard of plenty, Timidity, BassMidi, etc., but what's the best/most widely used of them all?

>Doing a melee only run of russian overkill as marty while blasting various versions of ai wo torimodose in the background.

This is probably the closest thing to a fist of the north star mod we'll get.

>>2798245
There's Hokuto no Ken DOOM But it's just the shareware episode with bad textures and sprites slapped over it

>>2798284
i think he knows that already, my man.

>>2797884

Best gibbing sound ever

>>2798428
i noticed it was in Combined_Arms.
the author of which i assume i am replying to.

Spellcross WebM

Sound video here:
https://youtu.be/Wqn8mg4yb6Y

Does a question though, would it be likely any of these new monsters be used in a wad? I really hope so.

>>2798458

sorry my webm skills is lacking. lost last 13 second, video has them.

Is there an instruction manual or something for Wrath of Cronos that explains what the items do?

Looking to start playing doom again. Used to have it on steam. Don't anymore. What's the best method of getting doom to play it and mod it and all the cool stuff you guys do? I fucking love doom and retro games like it.

>>2798502
nigga read the op

>>2798502
http://img.booru.org/vrdoom//images/1/708cb7a258c16312b83b269741d76f1037cdad5b.png

read this, the whole thing

>>2798502
hi, welcome (back). do what the people above me said then if you have further questions don't hesitate :) good luck!

I'm having a lot of fun learning Doombuilder.
What should I put in this central hub-like area?

>>2798589

A gigantic penis.

>>2798567
>>2798530
>>2798516

thanks for reuniting me with my baby <3 just got through playing the 4th level on the first game and I honestly forgot how great this game is. Thanks again nerds :3

>>2798589
A rocket launcher with some rocket ammo. Looks like a nice open area to use it.

Really enjoying Combined Arms.

It seems like the perfect weapon pack for Slaughtermaps, the secondaries are a blast! Loved the sprite work aswell. Nice work on it! Hope to see it finished soon.

>>2798589
A large schwangus

>>2798589
A bunch of fucking chaingunners.

>>2798589
An abominable dongus

>>2798589
a sizable erection

>>2798589

A bombastically oversized phallus.

>>2798589

a pert pecker

>>2798589
An immense member

>>2798589
A cyberdemon

>>2798607
>a gray pinga vibrator with some AA batteries
ftfy

>>2798589
Dead Doomguy, his weapon/a medikit, and a couple Arachnotrons. Lower the ground even further in another circle and make the floor there a dirt/mud flat, then put a tree in it.

Just ideas.

>>2798710
Jesus christ I should not save .png files with Paint.

>>2798217
Use Roland music packs for Doom and Doom 2, in other cases use OPL synth emulation

Quick question. I'm wondering if any of you guys know how to get the PrBoom RetroArch core up and running properly. Do I need to put Doom.wad and Doom2.wad in the system\BIOS folder?

>>2798809
Just did a quick test, you need prboom.wad in the same directory as the IWAD you're loading.

Played some DM, won once, lost a few times. Still kinda sucks if you're not some top fragger, but it's nice to play once in awhile. The western themed mapset was pretty cool too.

>>2798816
prboom.wad? Do you mean the prboom core that doesn't end in wad? I tried loading doom.wad while inside the core folder with the prboom core and it still didn't load up.

>>2798846
Yeah, you can get it either from downloading prboom or can search up the wad separately (what I did). The core doesn't contain the prboom.wad data much like how the Neo-Geo cores don't contain the BIOS. The core is pretty much like the executable file, which you'd still need prboom.wad.

>>2798852
Oh I see. I'll see what I can do.

>>2798858
Got it working now, thanks for the help anon.

What if there was a 1024 100 lines 32 grid 10 sectors 5 rooms graytall in name only megawad?

>>2798451

That's me. I need a good secret sound too, might grab something from serious Sam.

>>2798618

Thank you. It's been a pain in the ass but I've been trying to make this as best as I can.

How long do you think, until DooM gets ported to Fallout 4's PipBoy?

>>2798912
Then I wouldn't play it.

I'm building a map set for Hexen, using lots of custom ambient sounds, but I'm wanting to have some of them decrease volume via script (like you enter a building and the wind becomes much quieter).

How do I script changes in ambient sound volume?

Can you alter the SNDINFO via script at all?

lol

>>2799165
I'M RUNNING LATE FOR ANIME SCHOOL

>>2799157
Yeah. I'm sick of megawads that are based around arbitrary restrictions too.

Why are/were E1 replacements so popular to make? You can't play custom maps with only the shareware version, so trying to pursue the greater audience wouldn't make sense. Is it just because E1 was so good that it inspired a lot of mappers to try to replicate its excellence? Is it easier to map for the pure techbase theme than E2/E3's more abstract styles? I like E1 replacements, I'm just wondering why they're so common compared to E2 or E3 replacements.

>>2799187
E1 was really that good.

E2 and E3 have weak points. Big ones.

>>2799187
>Is it just because E1 was so good that it inspired a lot of mappers to try to replicate its excellence? Is it easier to map for the pure techbase theme than E2/E3's more abstract styles?
both i think. e1 was better so it garnered more copycats. and it's easier to make a good techbase than convincing hell-corrupted bases, or outright hellscapes.

also, e1 is a sufficiently distinct visual style that is consistent across the whole episode. therefore you can make a map in any layout and it looks like e1 by appropriate choice of detailing and textures. e2 and e3 are far less self-consistent, so it's harder to make an e2- or e3-style map without actually copying a specific map's visual theme or architecture and ending up with an obvious clone.

>>2799196 (me)
>it's harder to make an e2- or e3-style map without actually copying a specific map's visual theme or architecture and ending up with an obvious clone.
case in point, consider Needs More Detail. its e1 just has the style. its e2 and e3 contain maps which clearly remake certain parts of the originals, because otherwise they'd just look like generic mid nineties maps.

>>2798173
>.pk3 extension
wait what? what am i supposed to do with it?

>>2799159
I managed to get a shitty solution:
Thing_Deactivate all the ambient sound things every time you walk into the building, and Thing_Activate them back on when you walk out.

Its a bit choppy though, would be nice to be able to change the volume instead.

>>2799217
same thing you do with wads, drag it onto gzdoom.exe or whatever

>>2799194
John Romero is often considered the best out of the id mappers. His maps usually had the perfect balance between gameplay and aesthetics, with layouts that always felt deliberate. Pretty much always offered a memorable experience.

>>2799221
cheers

>>2798825
what is this?

>>2799290
looks like plan9.
whatever that is.

Not to start off any shit flinging contest, but I was always curious and I hope you will be able to answer that. How come people are still modding and making maps for Doom while other titles like the games made on the build engine or Quake engine never got as popular and are almost dead nowadays? I remember they had their heyday, but they were abandoned eventually while Doom is still going strong after 22 years which is kind of bizarre to me. Wouldn't people want to work with an advanced engine capable of doing more?

>>2799065
Take the powerup pickup sound from Serious Sam.

It matches a secret sound well.

>>2799464
People still map for quake. I saw a new map or two released recently.

The main reason is it much easier to map in a 2D engine than a 3D one.

How do I map? Like, are there tutorials I can watch?

>>2799552
The tutorials on DoomBuilder's website are pretty good, if I remember correctly.

And if you want the most flexible mapping tool, I'm pretty sure GZDoomBuilder is the best there is.

>>2799552
Chubzdoomer has some pretty good tutorials on Youtube.

>>2799139
we can dream

im a scrub probably, but i have some games in my zdoom folder that zdoom just dont see, example is wrath of cronos or nukemine

>>2799564
>>2799558
Thanks for the tips.

>>2799572
>wrath of cronos or nukemine
Those are mods, anon. They are not stand-alone. You need to run them with the base game they're meant for.

>>2799572
You can only see IWADs in that menu, meaning, the games, not mods. To load mods just drag and drop the mod in ZDoom.exe or use an external program like ZDL.

>>2799579
;_; there is nothing about that on info graphic

>>2799579
>>2799582
ooooh ok it worked, when i dragged it it asked me for a game anyway so i thought im doing it wrong, but it asked it for the game that that mod is for, i get it now thanks

Have been looking into using Blood textures for stuff.

Anyone happen to have the "Blood" font that was supposedly released with Level Pack 6 back in the day?

>>2799464
* The personal computer has always been the only serious choice for programming
* Doom was released onto the PC at a time when it had effectively zero competition in the action-game genre
* Lots of young male nerds played it and thought it was really cool
* A non-zero % of those nerds were also experienced in software development and thought "I could make a tool to hack this"
* Consequently, Doom's engine was extensively documented and a huge number of freeware tools were created
* This technical windfall has carried Doom forward through today

>>2798825
>>2799329
google search giving zero fucking results as usual

sorry for being an overly insisting fuck, I just ran out of interesting shit to play and I feel like wasting some more time on Doom

>>2799464
Because Doom modding and map maping is easy as pissing. BUILD and Quake are far more complicated.

>>2799694 is an idiot.

>>2795657
I could zip it up and link you if you want to

>>2794875
What kind of doom do you want

what kind of heretic mod do you like

>>2799749
>>2799757
Trippy shit makes me vomit

>>2799759
For you

>>2799749
>>2799757
>>2799763
what are you doing exactly? just messing with colors in photoshop?

>>2799768
wut

>>2799768
It looks like regular screenshots with the red channel removed.

>>2799774
>>2799779
shhhh


im making
vaporwave

>>2799779
I'm always amazed how people are able to figure such shit out just by looking at pictures.

>>2799749
>>2799757
>>2799763
>>2799774
>What kind of doom do you want
just fuck my shit up

>>2799790
>RGB images that are all greenish-blue
>3-1=2

This isn't exactly technical wizardry.

>>2795129
URGENT! what version of doom is that and how do I get it

>>2799856
nobody's falling for this you know

>that maze/mountain level of av

goddam that was brutal

>>2799973
>Texture filtering
>That gamma
Jesus fuck man

>>2800024

>>2800038
Meant for >>2799973

which one of the community chest megawads holds up the best in your opinion?

>>2799973
The filters are whatever but pls turn down your gamma for your own good

>>2799973

>thumbnail looks normal
>actual picture goes full zdaemon when clicked

what causes this, again?

>>2800080
What are you talking about? I don't see anything.

>>2800080
You can do all kinds of magic with png extension.

>>2800082
YOU FOOL

how can I disable projectile transparency in GZDoom?

>>2800128
The only way I can think of is to edit the Decorate actors.

>>2800042
4 has probably the highest number of well polished quality boom maps. i kind of prefer 3 though because it has my favourite of the few maps i have released :)

but they all, 1, 2, 3 and 4, hold up well in the sense that they each have a significant number of good maps, and since i play pistol starts rather than continuously i don't care about the ones i don't like, i just warp past them.

>>2800128
In the console:
r_drawtrans false

>>2800135
>because it has my favourite of the few maps i have released
I'm ashamed to admit I haven't played 3 yet (halfway through 2 atm) but I defs look forward to doing it!

umm who are you, precisely?

>>2797378
I want a mod that puts that dudes hand cannon on the left side of the screen because come on look at that, it looks stupid.

>>2800142
heh this isn't /a/ -- you're not expected to have played every wad ever before posting

>>2794876
Just reposting a level I made from the last thread that didn't get into the Anon map releases this time around. Didn't get any players last time either, but an anon can dream.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8xWmOI7IYl3R2FNQ2NEMWtJVm8/view?usp=sharing

>playable in limit-removing ports (some visual glitches in vanilla, don't know why)
>the .deh patch is optional, it just changes the level name
>difficulty levels included
>intended to be relatively easy (about early Doom 2/earlier TNT level)

>>2797402
I wish there were more inherently non-violent Doom mods. Not that I mind blood and gore, but I do have a penchant for cute shit

>>2800237
It's a fun level, in my opinion. A little bland in design but well done. I was scared to use the rocket launcher since most of the action occurs in cramped hallways, and I wasn't expecting some traps like the first closet with imps and demons and the hell knight after grabing the rocket launcher; I didn't exactly know where it was going to appear. .

Anyway I'm probably just bitching about design since it fulfills its purpose, being in narrow hallways and in a 'catacomb', but it was fun, so I liked it a lot. Nice secrets, btw.

>webm of the first run, no secrets because reasons

>>2800329
Whoops wrong webm with shitty quality and crop. I'm an idiot.

>>2794876
Ahoy released a video a few days ago about the history of id, early FPS games, early computer graphics, and Wolf 3D. It'll be followed up by a video about Doom sometime this week, probably Friday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSb87DC-PtA

>>2800329
Thanks for giving it a go. I suppose there's scope to open it up a bit after you get the rocket launcher by making some rock formations doors and opening them after you get the rl.

Goes to show the problem with testing it yourself - I knew when to use the rl just fine but I knew what was coming.

>>2799805

Just agitate my shit up

>>2796340

did some slight fixes

http://www.best-ever.org/download?file=gbadmremakev4d.wad

>>2799464
I'd say a big part of it is because Doom had its source code released while it was still fairly popular.

The community would've likely died by the time it was 1999 without the source release, and if it got released in the mid-00's, the community would likely be more the size of Duke3Ds current community.

>>2800042
3 and 4 hold up well. 2 is hit and miss. and 1 is mostly miss with a few occasional gems.

>go into water
>its a damaging floor

Hexen mapset WIP. 3 maps in total. Custom ambient sounds, 3rd map is aboard a large airship (complete with ballroom and ettin orchestra)

http://www.mediafire.com/download/k3csftuqz1qccvk/Scerebi_Forest_5_rework.rar

Any feedback would be great, the "ambient sound cut off" from >>2799220 can be heard in the first map, the wind cuts out as you enter the large fortress, and returns when you exit.

>>2800237
Great map, I really enjoyed it. You working on any other maps?

>>2800567

now that's what we should call 'petersen-isms'

>>2800603
Cheers mate!

Not at the moment (exam soon, followed by the obligatory post-exam celebrations). However I do plan to do a small 6-map level pack that I could potentially later build off into a full-blown megawad.

My plan is to do something similar to Quake: the first level in each section (i.e. Maps 01, 07, 12 & 21) will be a techbase leading to a new dimension (meaning a new texture pack - I've been using Afterglow's Celtic Shrine so far). The second level in each section (so 2, 8, 13 & 22) will be semi-tech, to represent the UAC's intrusion into said dimensions, while the final level in each section (so 6, 11, 20 & 30) will be boss battles.

So my plan so far is:
>1: Techbase (not started)
>2: Semi-techbase (not started)
>3: Forest level (not started)
>4: Big shrine level (planning)
>5: The Catacombs (finished)
>6: The Cyber-Tree (finished, link in the news OP)

I thought I'd take Romero's advice and work backwards so I end up with an impressive MAP01.

And of course the benefit in dividing it up into episodes is that if I never end up finishing the megawad then the level pack can stand alone.

Sounds awesome dude. Kind of inspires me to boot up doombuilder and make my own map. Can't wait for your level pack

>>2800771
Meant to reply to >>2800746 oops

Regarding the Jedi engine games, SW Dark Forces and Outlaws, do I need something to get them running perfectly fine at a high resolution on a modern machine?

>>2800237
I didn't find any secrets on the first casual playthrough, they were well hidden. However I don't like how over half of the "secrets" are actually a single secret, it felt cheap.

Also I don't know if this is the visual glitch you were talking about, but the sides of these raising walls don't have a texture.

Besides that the map was fun, I liked the Shotgun guys in the first room when you play on UV, it took me by surprise.

>>2800834
Yes that is the visual glitch I'm referring to. I don't know what's causing it because I'm looking in Doombuilder right now and they definitely have a texture attached and I can see the texture in the visual editor.

I could add some more secrets. Personally I like nested secrets though, provided they're not in every map.

>>2800852
are the sidedef's pointing in the correct direction?
is it supposed to be a double sided linedef, but isn't?
do the linedefs belong to the correct sector?

>>2800871
Yes
None of them are supposed to be double-sided
Yes

The glitch doesn't appear in PrBoom either, at least not to me.

>>2800128
>>2800138
Don't do this. It effects ALL transparency, not just projectiles. Whille it won't matter in vanilla and limit removing maps, some boom and zdoom maps do use transparent textures.

I remember reading something in another thread that there was an instant weapon switching mod
Anyone know where I can get it?

>>2800852
Well the version you posted seems to have nothing on them at all. This is with Doom Builder 2.

>>2800237
>didn't get into the Anon map releases
oops i must have missed your post, i do apologise

>>2800567
Maybe it's boiling water.

>>2800713
i don't see why. damaging water only exists in E3M3, which is a Petersen-modified Hall map. so we can't be sure which one of them was responsible for it.

>>2800958
in fact there's more damaging water in Plutonia than in Doom -- map05 if you fall in the pit at the start, and map06, the fountain in the south area. Doom2 and TNT have none.

>>2800945
this is the official explanation of why blood is damaging. i found it disappointing, i always thought the blood lakes were imbued with negative energy that drained your life. because i mean, that amount of blood isn't natural, so it must be saturated with hell magic. but no, it's apparently just hot.

>>2800924
Oh fuck me, I was looking at the wrong lines. I thought your pic was of the metal gateway things.

>>2800965
Ah, sorry. I suppose I wasn't very clear, and the map is dark.

Check out this book I bought.

It's actually pretty interesting!

>>2801013
old OSs are great. they're actually simple enough to understand with a single book.

>>2801013
does it mention Doom at all? or any other old FPSs?

>>2801019
Yeah, I find people just "brush off" DOS but they don't seem to understand how much of an achievement it was/is.

>>2801021
It's 1100+ pages, so I don't know yet.

>>2800042
CC3 has great beginning levels like MAP01, MAP02, and MAP03 as well a catchy titlepic song.

What wad has your favorite MAP30? My favorite is Slaughterhouse 2012's MAP30. Kick ass music and lots of monsters. Whispers of Satan's and Requiem's MAP30 are a close second.

>>2801041
sunlust map30 or sod map30

>>2801041
Whoops. Meant to say Slaughterfest 2012.

>>2801059
The resurrecting effect in the first room for MAP30 of Sunlust was pretty cool.

>>2801041
MM1's map30 always had quite the atmosphere for me.

>>2801041
any that don't involve making precisely timed shots from moving floors or awkward places

I'm working on vanilla levels, and I had some problems with teleporting enemies.

I have two teleport destinations, so the player can't block one and avoid fighting. The thing is, monsters only use the one on the left on chocolate Doom, but on PrBoom, Doom Retro and (G)ZDoom they are able to use the other one too.

Is this behavior expected or I'm doing something wrong? Linedefs have the correct tag, the sector too and both teleports are inside the sector. Sorry if I explained this in a retarded way.

>>2801240
normal vanilla behaviour is to use only the lowest numbered teleporter destination point and ignore the rest. prboom shouldn't be doing anything different so i don't know how you're seeing what you claim to be.

>>2801251
Well I tested it a few days ago so I probably forgot and made this up. But I'm pretty sure in Zdoom they use both teleports.

Anyway I didn't know that about the teleports, I'll have to see what can I do to force the monsters in there. Thanks.

>>2801013
I bought a copy of DOS for Dummies from Goodwill a while ago, mostly due to the fact that command line screens scare the utter fuck out of me do to a history of being "that member of the family who must be behind every single computer problem because he's on them so much"

>>2800336
I was gonna post that but I forgot

>>2800898
https://www.doomworld.com/vb/wads-mods/72848-instantdoom-screw-weaponchanges/

>>2801041
probably unrelated, but Unholy Realms' MAP30 is a total clusterfuck

some people probably find it fun but in my case I just could never shake off the never-ending feeling of "where the fuck am I oh my god what is happening"

if I were to replay that map I'd probably wander around for a solid 2 hours again before finding all the keys to ope the path to the IoS' platform

>>2801254
i made a test map. it's just a single corridor with two teleporter exits (marked by candles) at each end. you start on top of the lowest numbered one. in both prboom and zdoom, nothing teleports until i moved off the start position. so there must be more to your problem than is deducible from your initial description.

http://temp-host.com/download.php?file=er34nj
>>>/wsg/831844

>>2800135
>1
>holding up well
>not just a testament to the foundations of mapping

And that's all it is.

>>2794876
http://www.doomworld.com/vb/doomworld-news/84707-sandy-petersen-reddit-ama/

trigger warning: reddit

for QuakeC, what is the best source and best compiler to use these days?

>>>/aco/203385
hdoom fanart

>>2801712
>"Doom 3 killed Doom for me."
DOOM 3 APOLOGISTS BTFO
B
T
F
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>>2801756
are there any of those here?

>>2801756
are there any of those here? i get the impression there's a few people here that liked doom3, but i don't think there's anyone who thinks it was superior to doom / doom2.

>>2801774

Pretty much.
I had fun with Doom 3, but trying to say it's a good Doom game is laughable. Trying to say it's superior to Doom 1/2 is just fucking delusional.

>>2801781
>there are people out there who legitimately believe Doom 3 is superior to Doom 64 in any way
I'm not bullshitting, I legit had a discussion with a guy once who genuinely said the only trick to Doom 64's favor was the atmosphere, all the while praising Doom 3 for some reason

there was another one who argued that "you turn off your brain while playing Doom whereas Doom 3 is good all the time" or some shit like that, I was laughing my nipples off my chest both times

>>2801643
In the end I made two sectors in that elevator, and the monsters now have two lines they can cross and teleport. If the player blocks one, they use the other teleport destination in the other sector since it's WR and the sectors are split.

It works, so I'm happy for now.

>>2801809
Enjoyment isn't objective.

>>2801701
i took "holds up well" in the sense that if i redownload it every couple of years or so i can still replay it happily if i skip the maps i don't like, and there's enough maps i do like to make doing so worth it. however i tend to prefer simple oldschool maps over detailed complex modern maps, so i guess that must be taken into account.

>>2801856
fair enough, multiple destination sectors is the usual solution. there are optimal ratios of monsters to teleport lines to destination sectors, which are up for debate and depend on what you're trying to achieve, but it is generally a bug to have more than one destination point per destination sector.

>>2801712
heh

>>2801887
Sounds like somebody is a little bitter that he never got as famous as the others

>>2801887
hahaha i need an example of this

>>2801891
hmm i didn't read it that way at all

so i just noticed this

damn im dumb

>>2801961
not sure what i'm supposed to be looking at. two black shotguns?

>>2801892

>Carmack seems at times impenetrable, a guy who ''didn't dream about girls in bikinis . . . he dreamed about the relationship of two polygons in space.'' (Lest you doubt this characterization, Kushner includes a scene in which a stripper is sent to Carmack's office, topless, bearing a pizza. Carmack looks up, says he didn't order a pizza and goes back to work.)

>Carmack, “If you hadn’t been caught, do you think you would have done
something like this again?”
“If I hadn’t been caught,” Carmack replied honestly, “yes, I probably
would have done that again.”
Later he ran into the psychiatrist, who told him, “You know, it’s not very
smart to tell someone you’re going to go do a crime again.”
22
“I said, ‘if I hadn’t been caught,’ goddamn it!” Carmack replied. He was
sentenced to one year in a small juvenile detention home in town. Most of the
kids were in for drugs. Carmack was in for an Apple II.

>>2801968
thanks but i know that part, i wanted examples of him trying to praise someone

>>2801968
>Carmack looks up, says he didn't order a pizza and goes back to work.
to be fair i'd do this too, but out of embarrassment

>>2801041
Hellbound map30 is just the best

>>2801781
>>2801774
>>2801756
The old games are obviously better, but I think it was pretty decent for what it was. It has a lot of cool shit going for it, but ultimately the gameplay or the levels aren't as good. Also there was too much metal paneling, not even E1 had this much metal paneling. Where's the carpeting? The rubberized/ceramic floor tiles? The concrete walls (painted or not)? Where's the wood furniture, floor and paneling?

There's two ways to make Doom 3 fun
>flashlight mod, turning it into an alright and fairly fun shooter without stumbling around in the dark like an asshole
>play with the chainsaw as much as possible and be a melee combat beast

Doom 3 had these things going for it, a fairly interesting design for monsters in some cases (the Guardian boss was really cool), and it has the best chainsaw in the series.

>>2801887
>>2801968
>>2801973

I still have no fucking clue how he managed to get a wife, let alone a kid.

>>2802001
Is he weird and maybe possibly autistic? Sure.
But he's also incredibly clever, a good person, and has his own kind of charm.

Also the dude's fucking ripped, he literally built muscles and trained martial arts as a teen to stand up against bullies. Oh, and that makes him noble too, defending the weak.

>>2801891
It didn't come off that way to me.
>>2801965
I think he broke the SSG sprite?

>>2802086
if anything, he could probably an inspiration to autists and neckbeards everywhere
yeah, there's the omegalores and cwcs
but then there's fucking carmack

and if carmack became a godhuman, then so can you faggots
it's not too late to become a great man

>>2802086
And he's rich and a boss (in both senses of the word).

>>2802105
>it's not too late to become a great man
although it does help if you start early, not to mention grow up knowing you have a recognised medical condition where your brain is wired differently to most people, instead of just being told you're a weird loser who doesn't fit in anywhere and falling into chronic depression until well into your thirties.

>>2801965
>>2802102
nah, meant to say I just noticed the shotgun sprite is a cutoff edit of the full super shotgun sprite

sorry, thought Doom 64 was well known enough around these parts so I thought it was a pretty obvious giveaway

>>2802135
>sorry, thought Doom 64 was well known enough around these parts so I thought it was a pretty obvious giveaway
heh i see. yeah i've never been a consoles person. they're too locked down. don't like computers you can't program...

>>2802135

That was my first guess, but since the map was pretty clearly Underhalls, I wasn't sure if that was the original sprites or a mod.

>>2799702
http://www.arcades3d.net/mapas/doom/plan9.rar

>>2802280
>Arcades3D
heh, I remember that place fondly

everyone just seemed so pissed at everything for some reason, I also recall there being fuckloads of trolls all over constantly circa 2005 or so, glad to see it still kickin after all

What's a good gameplay wad in general?

>>2802420
Depends entirely on what you're going for.

Do you want "like Doom" gameplay? There's a million enhancement mods out there, but Smooth Doom is the most suggested.
Do you want CUHRAZY ACTION? Get Demonsteele.
Do you want overpowered killy deathmurder weapons? Get Russian Overkill.
Do you want crafting, modding, and randomized pickups? Get DoomRLA.

It really depends on what you want.

>>2802420
I've been playing a lot of HardDoom lately so that I guess.

Is there a fork of Beautiful Doom or something similar to it that doesn't require autoaim to be set to enemies only? Not being able to autoaim at barrels is a drag.

>>2802438

If you give me a link to the mod I can edit it to get rid of that message.

>>2802440
It may be necessary to the mod working though - it produces gibs so possibly disabling it would mean autoaim would target gibs or something like that.

>>2802420

I really like zero tolerance, zharkov goes to the store, psychic, and project MSX.

>>2802438
>autoaim to be set to enemies only
Huh, you can do that? I've never seen that option.

>>2802449
ZDoom only.

>>2802420
Q1 Stuff ULTRA is really good, but it borders on the line of TC than gameplay mod.

>>2802452
Again, I've never seen it. I guess it's that Smart Autoaim option, after looking up what it does.

>>2802449
Beautiful Doom forces you to set sv_smartaim to 3 (enemies only), rather than the standard of 1 which also includes barrels.
This is also why I fucking refuse to use the otherwise excellent mod until this flaw gets removed.

>>2802486
Did the NOTAUTOAIMED flag not exist when the mod was made?

>>2801774
The facebook groups are full of "Doom 3 was my first doom" people, and they're cringeworthy.

Still working on these textures, reallly slowwwwly. They're currently just .png files, using Zdoom's ingame conversion.

>>2802486
>I fucking refuse to use the otherwise excellent mod until this flaw gets removed.
your and others' attitude does not seem to bother the author, though. what can get through to him?

>>2802526
not entirely surprising given that site's general audience, in contrast with the selective audience of a board specifically for pre-2000 computer games.

Is there a video that show how to make a doom weapon mod?

This is my first time making a weapon.

>>2802705

Not that I know of.
Hey, maybe that's a video I can do. There's plenty of video tutorials for mapping, not so much for making weapons or gameplay mods.

>>2802712
i think this is because with mapping you are drawing pictures which lends itself better to video than making weapon mods which is more about writing code

>>2797830
>a rock of shit.
A CROCK of shit. Are you doing that thing where you say something stupidly wrong on purpose? I know that's a meme now, so it better be what you're doing.

>>2802116
Knowing is half the battle - I didn't know that I had aspergers until a year ago and if I had known that during my teenage and young adult years, it would of saved me a LOT of humilation. It's harder to recognise good from bad ideas when you don't know that you have a condition that fucks with your social interaction side.

>>2802639
Looks great. If only you didnt use overcompressed JPEG to post that image.

Can you post some other examples? (Preferably more in-game examples of the different textures you've done).


On a side note: Any good texture replacements that fit with the context when applied to original levels? Like wood gets replaced with wood, circuits with circuits, metal with metal etc. Not necessariy complete fit, but that'd be appreciated.

Also any good higher res (net necesarry a HD) replacements?

>>2802639
very good man

>>2801861
Yes it is, you filthy relativist. There is enjoyment that is objectively wrong.

>>2802920
doom-related example?

>>2802831
Wow it really did kill the image, didn't it. I swear I set it to little compression as possible...

There's not much else to see at the moment, just ZIMMER, ASHWALL, BRONZE, BROWN and ROCK textures, pretty much. Makes MAP03 of Way Too Many Dead Guys look nice, though.

http://webmshare.com/play/bKOny

Totally trying to keep things balanced, I swear.

>>2802974
lel
Whatever software you are using to save your JPEGs throw it out the airlock, its compression algorithms are complete trash. Use: Paint.NET, XNView, GIMP or the like, otherwise it's hard to even tell whats going on on your images. Also i'd advise you to get your textures brighter - if not as bright as originals, but considerably brighter nonetheless.

>>2802995
IDDQDd

>>2803009
yes, because meleeing a cyber is usually suicidal.

>>2803005
It was GIMP, though I did resize the image to be half scale as well
I'm keeping texture brightness as it is for now, I'd only change it once all the textures are in and it's just too dark.

>>2802995
Could almost kill a hellknight in one hit, cripes.

>>2803021
If you're bad at circlestrafing

>>2803028
Use Paint.NET then - theres a compression slider, and it's usually simpler and faster than GIMP, and it never butchered my images before lol.

https://youtu.be/3vxqtt8q8d4

>>2803032
I am bad at circle-strafing. Sorry.

>>2803028
To be fair, it three shots Hell knights without berserk. It is a freakin' chainsaw, after all.

>>2803042
hahahaha this made my morning

thanks for this

>>2803042
i think that actually came from /vr/
>>/vr/thread/S2351583#p2354428

How to fix DOOOOM:

1: Current artstyle is sub-par and generic. Can it for classic artstyle. Seriously. One of many parts that make DOOM DOOM is the artstyle.

2: Incorperate a more rogue-like mode with Snapmap, generating maps on random.

3: Add in about 200 more weapons, all varying. No 30 ass rifles.

4: Add in newer and more di-

Wait, we already have DOOM 4.

>>2803198
I have no idea what you're talking about or trying to say.

>>2803198
Thats not Doom 4 because:
1) Generic design
2) No random maps, and Snapmap is an inflexible crap only capable of producing Warframe-like corridorfests
3) There's no more than 8 weapons or so (just look at the wheel).

Basically what you describe is DoomRPG+DRLA+OBLIGE (basically only way to play). Go get it and stop spewing nonsense.

>>2803198
What map is that?

>>2803271
>no more than 8 weapons or so
diehard 'fanboys' are already moaning out and loud over what little snippets they've seen of the game so far

they'd probably lose their shit and call the fucking navy seals were new enemies introduced in the game because muh classic

>>2803307
Stop spewing bullshit and start making sense.

Please.

>>2803305
Somthing ZDoomy i'd wager, considering all the zlopes>>2803198

I'd also would like to know the mod smokeye pistols? That's new.

>>2803307
>over what little snippets they've seen of the game so far

This may come as a shock to you, but developers release screenshots and videos as a way to hype people. And if people are not hyped, they may sometimes say why!

>>2803198
I like how hard you're trying to get some validation here even though ID has openly admitted to have shown just a limited part of the game and we've yet to see the rest of it.

>Add in about 200 more weapons, all varying. No 30 ass rifles.
tippity top kek, AEoD is ---> that way

>>2803198
>2: Incorperate a more rogue-like mode with Snapmap, generating maps on random.
Nigga fuck that
>3: Add in about 200 more weapons, all varying. No 30 ass rifles.
Fucking impossible and stupid in manay, many levels
>>2803271
>3) There's no more than 8 weapons or so (just look at the wheel).
Every weapons seems to have 2 or so altfires to choose from I think. Theey haven't said much about them yet, but we know that for sure.
>>2803307
>they'd probably lose their shit and call the fucking navy seals were new enemies introduced in the game because muh classic
But new enemies were introduced, retard.

>>2803312
>Stop spewing bullshit and start making sense
nah, you know precisely what he's talking about. It's fucking common sense that people sperg out HARD when devs dare pull out new content on a remake of a retro game because they oftentimes expect them to copy verbatim every single feature and concept the original game had.

>>2803319
>But new enemies were introduced, retard.
except that they weren't

you're probably referring to the former humans in the hell demo that had horns, those are just reskins of the ones in the foundry demo

>>2803319
>Every weapons seems to have 2 or so altfires
Exactly my point. We dont need 100+ weapons to make a good shooter, but what we have needs to be good. For example I really like Unreal's arsenal - no weapon likie the other, and all of them have their use.

>>2803319
>but new enemies were introduced
new monsters were introduced, what a surprise

care to show me where do you see new monsters in any of the screenshots or anywhere in the two demos to back up that assumption?

oh wait, there weren't any. stop trying.

>>2803313
>they may sometimes say why
>'generic'
>'is dis haylo 555???1'

>>2803347

Those biscuits look delicious

>>2803347

Yes, that's correct. If something looks generic, people will call it generic.
I'm not sure what you're trying to get at here, aside from whining for the sake of whining. You're throwing more of a fit than the "diehard fanboys".

to digress from the discussion above, let's discuss doom modding

what are /vroom/'s thought on this?
http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=48686&sid=357d5e3308a317c1f820b63f2fd96631

>>2803365

Looks like shit. The bloom hack was always a hack, and texture filtering/hi-res textures are still disgusting.

>>2803368
I find scalex2/3 filtering to be okay, but hqX filter and highres are too blurry for my liking.

>>2803370
>>2803365

That said I'd like to see the port of QuakeDIH to DooM - that one is really good and will fit with the original DooM

>>2803365
looks bad
might play good, but based on those screenshots i wouldn't give it a shot

>>2803363
'generic' isn't criticism

>You're throwing more of a fit than the "diehard fanboys"
i bet you're the kind of person who automatically assumes 'discussion = throwing fits'

don't be euphoric to point out your finger to people on a anonymous website having a discussion as 'whiners' because it only makes you seem like naive

>>2803383

Generic is indeed criticism. Criticism is expressions of disapproval based on perceived faults in shit you don't like, which "generic" does entail. It looks generic. That is criticism. Just because you don't like it doesn't suddenly make it not.

>i bet you're the kind of person who automatically assumes 'discussion = throwing fits'
Lol.
No, now that you're actually using sentences instead of trying to greentext out half-assed responses with accompanying clever photographs, now it actually is discussion.

>>2803347
god I want some biscuits and gravy now

>>2803392
I don't need to be lectured on the meanings and reaches of what criticism represents and involves, but thanks anyways

>generic is criticism
99% of the people who spout it as a 'legitimate criticism' as you dully point out never bother making out points as to why they think that, they mostly rest their case at 'it looks like halo 5' and not much else

I don't even understand why you're trying to fend for these people

>No, now that you're actually using sentences instead of trying to greentext out half-assed responses with accompanying clever photographs, now it actually is discussion
no, it's just that you've decided that you can easily vent on me for being called out that you want to rightfully make yourself seem smarter by arguing over something as simple as why a single word represents a legitimate point of view to you when it clearly, objectively, does not unless they decide to elaborate on why

you might also want to quit being this paranoid because I'm not even the guy you're talking about

>>2803431

What, does negative feedback need to be supplemented with a 50-word mini-essay on why it looks generic? Nah, if it looks generic I'm gonna call it generic and leave it at that. I'll save the blogposts for review copies. Our opinions are going to be completely annulled in a week anyway, these threads are barely a wisp in the wind. Criticism is criticism, whether it's one word or a hundred.

I'm not trying to fend for anyone, I'm happy for anyone that actually posts things like "it looks like shit" "it looks good" "you're a dumbass for thinking that" "no YOU'RE a dumbass" instead of pussyfooting around with vaguely implying meanings.
If anything, I like you because you have the balls to fucking post it and fight with me instead of just sulking off with a greentext down the line.

>you might also want to quit being this paranoid
Lol.
If you want to talk about word definitions and meanings, responding to anons on the internet does not involve any sort of paranoia. Thinking one anon poster is the same as another isn't paranoia either.

>>2803450
>What, does negative feedback need to be supplemented with a 50-word mini-essay on why it looks generic?
well if you're gonna bluntly state 'it looks generic' on Bethesda's official channel or send this out to ID in their feedback form or an email, yeah, a bit of background on why you think so wouldn't hurt at all, if only to contrast with the probably +100 hate emails they've received thus far

>If anything, I like you because you have the balls to fucking post it and fight with me instead of just sulking off with a greentext down the line
uh

... thank you?

>Thinking one anon poster is the same as another isn't paranoia either
alternatively, you might end up directing a rebuttal to an entirely different person than the one you're probably meaning to

but anyways we oughta get ourselves a room and suck each other off already because the sexual tension between us is starting to become slightly more palpable with each minute

>>2803498
Generic means "not having anything to set it apart from other games counterparts". Look at Shadow Warrior and Unreal arsenals - each weapon has unique properties and feeling, definitely not generic.

You can not describe generic or bland because there's nothing to describe other than "it's just shotgun, it shoots buckshot" or "its just an AssRifle, it shoots bullets, oh and you can aim down sights". When you cant say anything nice about a weapon other than thet it performs its function then you definitely need to change it, add something that would set it apart.

For instance in one game the shotgun's rear sight part was made in shape of a holy cross, which made "expelling" demons and monsters with it more symbolic, or in Unreal Tournament generic plasmagun was altered to have ammo count on itself which was unique feature at the time. Simple details like that can set a weapon apart.

>>2803549
>For instance in one game the shotgun's rear sight part was made in shape of a holy cross, which made "expelling" demons and monsters with it more symbolic
the SSG in Doom 4 has engraving details on it making shooting demons 'classy' or whatever it is you're trying to say.

>or in Unreal Tournament generic plasmagun was altered to have ammo count on itself which was unique feature at the time. Simple details like that can set a weapon apart.
Doom 4 has a gun that puts out more damage based on speed and how much you sprint around. that seems pretty cool and original to me.

>>2803561
I was not talking about Doom 4, but about how you refuse to count Generic as a criticism.
Also engravement on Doom 4s shotgun is basically a classic "Vintage shotgun" look seen in lots of other games that have doublebarreled shotguns. Not really unique.

And power by speed looks like a useless gimmick to me.

>>2802639
Man, I just love your work. I've been waiting to see if you release it soon. Still no plans to release it for mappers? I'd love to use these textures in some maps.

>>2803365
So, it's basically just a crappy frankeinmod of Quake Stuff and Brutal Doom? Yeah, really amazing

>>2801961
what mod?

>>2803565
the shotguns in Doom were generic wooden stock guns, and now that they've gone with the actual futuristic aesthetic and the guns have actual identity to them and blend with the overall look (with the exception of the SSG which is a generic coachgun yet again), they're -generic-. Because ID is sure to innovate the genre with such an unoriginal and simple game like Doom, right?

>I was not talking about Doom 4, but about how you refuse to count Generic as a criticism
to tell you the absolute truth: I couldn't care less about whatever falls or does not fall into the 'generic' category for you, and you most certainly won't get me to do so either. I'm not even that anon to begin with.

but you did mention Shadow Warrior earlier, and let me tell you, I have yet to see any feature in that game besides the katana as a starting weapon and the UZIs that point out to me I'm actually playing 3D Realms' 1997 title Shadow Warrior (since they didn't even bother remaking the classic enemies in that game), whereas in Doom 4 I was easily eable to make out every demon and weapon no problem. So there you go, SW is 'generic' to me because there aren't any features that make it stand out among other FPS titles out there. It's my opinion and you don't have to agree with it.

>>2803635
>I'm not even that anon to begin with.
Neither am I on the opposite side. It appears we've brought a small crowd in to discuss this. Oops.

>>2803625
a custom version of smooth doom with edited remaining versions of doom 64's weapons

it's hacky as fuck and i've been tweaking at it on and off throughout the entire month but anywho, have at it
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0By8mA3D0CACmeEtvNWpPUXdITDQ

>>2803635
They were unique -back in the day-

Also modern Shadow Warrior is not meant to be a complete remake - just to "capture the feel". As to features: The flamethrower that actually pumps out the fuel rather than just "stick shoots fire lol", Quad shotgun that has a very sexy kick action and separate triggers to indecate full/empty chambers as well as a big red "panic button" that empties all the chambers at once etc.

tl;dr: you are a faggot.

>>2803328
They actually were.
There's something called "Skull Knights:. Not sure if we've seen them yet or not.
Several new variation's of Former Humans, such as "The Unwilling" as well.

>>2803641
>>2803635

Man, all I wanted to say is that "generic" is valid as criticism.
I guess I asked for this.

>>2803643
>>>>just to "capture the feel"
PFFFFFT

>flamethrower
>Quad Shotgun
yep, sure feels like Shadow Warrior!

>tl;dr
you seem pretty angry that I called you out on your bullshit and SW is actually a way more unoriginal and bland game compared to D4 and you don't want to admit it for some unknown reason. Good. Keep tripping on your own dick.

>>2803659
>SW is actually a way more unoriginal and bland game compared to D4

No Bethseda
Fuck off Bethseda

>>2803635
>the shotguns in Doom were generic wooden stock guns
Which was cool at the time.
Still is.

>>2803653
he implied 'introduced anywhere in the game', and as far as the two demos shown as well as the screenshots exhibited, this is false. perhaps they were shown somewhere in the QC demo in 2014, but that one wasn't public

I said 'diehard fanboys would rage if they saw new content', this would be true to some extent, sadly

>>2803659
But the original did have a quad shotgun.

And SW is more original than the "Halo with gore" feeling I got from Doom 4.