/vr/ - Retro Games

>>2783902
I asked in the previous thread too. Where did you find the pinouts to modify this for RGB? I might be interested in doing the same thing myself.

>>2785646

>>2785690
Google 'CGA pinout'. It's not rocket science.

>>2785694
Forgot to specify, that's the PVM-20L5 I just took apart and reassembled the deflection components of to fix convergence.

playing chrono trigger on a PS2

posting from the old thread: since PVMs use BNC, I assume you can get adaptor pieces to convert to RCA, but do any models have s-video? Or does it not even matter

>>2785782
Most that have RGB also have S-Video (Y/C). Both mine do.

>>2785782
those that support s-video (a lot of them) use standard mini-din / ushiden socket.

a word for >>2783607
I have a similar cable lying around, never tested it because I was using component.
Just tried it today and it has horrible checkerboard. To be expected since it's extremely thin, probably no shielding at all.
gonna try rewire composite wire to luma to see if that can fix it.

>>2785808
obviously, the one I have is for Playstations, while >>2783607 is for Nintendos. But wire thickness is nearly the same.

>>2785694
>Dewgong
I FUCKING HATE THAT STUPID CUNT ALL HE DOES IS USE SLEEP ALL DAY I SWEAR I'M GONNA PUNCH HIS LITTLE BABY HORN OFF

>>2785646
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The technology forum is over there >>>/g/ fucking use it. This is a video game forum, not one for antique televisions.

>>2785861
/g/ is crt nazi

>>2785808
>>2785810
done, it worked beautifully. no more checkers. Chroma and composite really do pollute signals...

>>2785884
That's because most people hate CRTs with good reason. That's still the correct board to talk about electronics though. This is for video games.

pictures of retro games
somehow not retro.

yeah, weak bait newfriend.

>>2785892
The discussion isn't about video games. It's about tech hardware.

>>2785898
>>2785884

/g/ isn't about technology, it's about Mac VS PC/android and AMD vs Nvidia. it's like /v/ but instead of Sony, Nintendo, etc it's Nvidia, AMD, etc. They are all still teenagers trying to outwit each other with memes.
Of course they won't like CRT, they barely know what it is.

>2785685
>this interests me. i've been looking for overlaying genlocks, but they're expensive as all hell. is it reasonable to try to build something based around this?
Yeah, you could do something with an cheap microcontroller (not complicated nor high resolution stuff) but that will be difficult to program depending what kind of stuff you want to overlay and you going to get jittery pixels if the clock isn't in phase with the Hsync which can be fixed with a PLL circuit which generates a variable clock in phase with the Hsync.
For rather amazing and flexible overlays while being cheap and oldschool would be a Amiga with a commercial genlock device but might be too expensive for you and will only work with composite.
A genlock device for Amiga can be build from scratch but good luck finding any schematics for that because I only found a functional tech. description which lacks the schematic.
Another thing you could attempt would be to design your own video processor that suits your needs.

Any way to easily/cheaply get RF to a PVM?

I know it's shit quality, but would sometimes be useful for testing. Such as this Atari Jaguar I want to test before selling...

Britbongs might be interested in the shedload of BVM-20s which have just gone up on ebay uk today.

I bought two

>>2786032
Easiest way would be a vcr that can output composite.

Hey CRT, I prefer a flat-screen tv, something a little under the 30" mark in size. I've never had good luck with the Trinitrons, I always find the geometry to be off, even when re-sizing it in the service menu. I'd like to have a component input. I'm in Canada. Can you recommend me a brand/model to look for?

>>2786048

>wanting a flatscreen

You may as well fucking go the disgusting xrgb route then.

So guys, how much would you be willing to pay for a BVM-20F1E?

Someone nearby is selling one and I want to haggle them down.

>>2786048
you can't have your cake and eat it.
Settle for either flatscreen with imperfect geometry or cylindrical tube with better geometry

>>2785987
>They are all still teenagers trying to outwit each other with memes.
And /vr/ is teenagers arguing with 60 year olds about which ones should go back to /v/ for various unforgivable offenses.

/g/ had plenty of CRT discussion for years before /vr/ existed btw, just not with a console gaming focus.

>>2786113
Weren't the Trinitrons known for bad geometry though?

>>2786106
most i'd pay is 200

if it were a D20F1x up to 500 ameribucks.
i just bought a d20f1u for about 500 on ebay, no regerts.

>>2786149
Because they're flatscreen

>>2786167
All flatscreens have bad geometry? There's no brand that was known to have better geometry?

>>2786149
>>2786173
trinitrons aka aperture grille started in the late 70s. Back then only curved screens were possible.

All flat crt tvs will have more geometry troubles than curved. PC monitors will fare better because geometry was more critical and they're also deeper relative to their display size.

>>2786149
There are both flat and curved trinitrons.

>>2785696
What kind of TV is that? It's really sexy.

>>2786242
>filename

>>2786248
Thank you

messing around with the SNES emulator for ps2

For Sony PVM owners: what setup do you use for audio? Do you use the the speaker built into the monitor, or separate speakers? For separate speakers, how do you have them wired up? I got a PVM coming in the mail.

>>2786290
PVM 14M2U & 20M4U owner, I use the mono speaker on the monitor. I just use an RCA Y-splitter from RadioShack to plug in the red and white cables. Work well enough.

>>2786290
I use 2x RCA (fem) > 3.5mm headphone socket cable adapter with a set of 2.1 PC speakers (with an integrated amplifier). Probably not ideal, but better than mono audio.

Also is anyone here good with microelectronics?
Because I'm not, and I'm trying to make sense of this circuit diagram for a HV sync combiner. Does my version match up correctly?

>>2786216
>they're also deeper relative to their display size
This, it's an issue that's correctable with a deep tube. The Samsung SlimFits were horrible because they tried to do big screens with minimal depth. You saw major distortion at the edges, the kind that would make shit grow and shrink in retro games as it scrolls from edge to center to edge (similar but far worse to the uneven 4:3 stretching some 16:9 TVs and TV stations do). My 34" and 36" Sony CRT HDTVs don't have that problem, but they are obviously not for retro vidya and they weigh heavier than the moon thanks to their extended depth.

>>2786290
If you already have some spare amplified PC speakers you like, you can use something like this:
http://www.sfcable.com/SF-AVC28.html

If you have regular bookshelf or full-sized stereo speakers, you can use something like this:
http://www.amazon.com/Lepai-LP-2020A-Tripath-Class-T-Amplifier/dp/B0049P6OTI

Or just use a boombox or any other stereo with RCA inputs.

>>2786310
Almost correct.
Pin 14 must be 5V also, there must be also a bypass capacitor 100nF across the power rail (ground and power) near the IC.
Also what is the impedance/input resistance of the composite sync input on your monitor?
And does it accept AC coupled signal or is it a plain logic TTL/CMOS input?
I'm asking because if you gonna run the output into a 75ohms input then you gonna strain the IC a lot or it could fail at outputting a high enough voltage to make the monitor sync.

>>2785987
>>2786147
>/g/ had plenty of CRT discussion for years before /vr/ existed btw, just not with a console gaming focus.

Ya like 8+ years ago when phone threads weren't a thing and it was just shitposting. When Mac and was still shitted on. Basically before dumb kids and normies became the norm.

>>2786349
Thanks, fixed the circuit diagram (I think).

The monitor is a PVM which uses BNC so I'm guessing that yes, the external sync impedance is 75 ohms. Couldn't tell you whether it accepts a coupled signal or not but it's a PVM, so maybe(?).
Sorry I can't be more specific.

>>2786290

Onboard mono via a Y-splitter for simplicity, currently. Speakers are nice if you have the space.

>>2786368
Eh, I was the pro-CRT/pro-Apple guy in those prehistoric threads and this kind of elitism is unproductive.

>>2786391
>the external sync impedance is 75 ohms
Okay, there must be something done there between the pin 11 and Csync output.
After some research I found out it's supposed to be 1-4Vpp, that's why AC coupled is acceptable because it's says Volt peak-to-peak (and the reason why composite video doesn't work here is because it's 0.3Vpp).
A 220µF capacitor should be used with negative leg to monitor, for a rather protective purpose.
Now it seems that 74LS and 74HCT won't cut it because their high level output voltage and current is insufficient to get a >1Vpp signal on the 75ohms input.
Use 74HC86 instead and add a 220ohms resistor there to get 1.271Vpp with a max output current of 17mA (more than 20mA shouldn't be drawn from a 74HC output), if you don't understood this then lookup voltage dividers and see the 75ohms resistor in the monitor as the resistor to ground.

I think you should look up the manual of your PVM (if you can find it) and look what it says about the "EXT SYNC: BNC connector".
On manual of the PVM-1944 it said:
>composite sync 1-4Vpp, negative, 75 ohms terminated

Friendly reminder that Y-splitters aren't audio mixers and you're force-feeding your audio output back into your consoles through the inputs whenever you do this.

>>2786454
Okay I've updated the diagram again (specifically changing the i/c, and adding in C3, C4 & R3) to match what you've described; although I'm not certain about the placement of 220uF cap.

Also here's the specs from my monitor's manual;
>VIDEO IN - BNC connector (x2)
>1 Vp-p ±6 dB, sync negative
>Automatic 75 ohms termination

>EXT SYNC IN - BNC connector (x1)
>4 Vp-p, ±6 dB, sync negative

Thank you very much.
I greatly appreciate the time you're putting in to help me with this.

>>2786484

Explain the danger and also the right way to do it.

>>2786527
http://www.rane.com/note109.html

The highlight:
>Here is the rule: Outputs are low impedance and must only be connected to high impedance inputs -- never, never tie two outputs directly together -- never. If you do, then each output tries to drive the very low impedance of the other, forcing both outputs into current-limit and possible damage. As a minimum, severe signal loss results.

For line level I wouldn't worry about it much, but for quality purposes I'd use a mixer (if I really needed mono). What I'd really always do by default is to use enough speakers for the channels I want to hear in the first place.

>>2786484
If the line outputs of the consoles are meant to drive around 10kohm in AC and the engineers thought it would be a great idea of coupling their biased (DC offset) audio signal to the line input by something like a 10µF capacitor (with the 10kohm at audio input it forms a highpass filter) then the Y-splitter will mix the 2 signals together without causing any problems.
However, if the engineer was retarded (or an cheap asshole) and did not put any protective nor limiting components after the audio line driver then damage could be caused.

>>2786509
Now you messed it even more up.
Remove R3 and C4, then put them in series (after each other) between the Csync output and IC and remember that C4 is polarized and it's negative leg (electrolytic capacitors have this marking) should point to the monitor.
Like the RGB lines in pic related.
>4 Vp-p, ±6 dB, sync negative
It wants 2-8Vpp as 6dB implies either twice in amplification or attenuation by half when it comes to electronics.
Use 100 ohms as R3 to get 2.143Vpp and do not omit C4.

>>2786567
>However, if the engineer was retarded (or an cheap asshole) and did not put any protective nor limiting components after the audio line driver then damage could be caused.
I love games but high-risk guessing games are low on the list. I'd rather play it safe.

Thanks for the specifics anon.

>>2786572
Odds are usually good the engineer wasn't retarded nor cheap though.

>>2786576
It's always bad practice with high power signals, so I'd rather not get in the habit.

>>2786368
I watched /g/ fall
it was not pretty

>>2786567
Oh I see what you meant now.
I can't fix the diagram right now (currently on my phone now) but when I get home I'll modify it per your instructions just to confirm, although I'm pretty sure I understand where I went wrong.

Again, thank you.

>>2786583
I ditched /g/ for 2-3 years and came back to a sea of phoneshit. I promptly left again.

>>2786567

So, uh, is the output of my SNES with a Y-splitter into my PVM going to work for my purposes?

>>2786242
>What TV is that?
PVM-20L5. (see filename)

>>2786032
When I need RF into my PVM I connect to a VCR with something like this, and run the composite output of the VCR to my PVM.

>>2786601
Y splitter and SNES with PVM speaker worked just fine for me on my 20L5 and on every other monitor I've ever tried it on. That said, the PVM's have pretty pathetic quality speakers and when I crank the volume way up they start to interfere with the picture (magnetism). You should really consider external speakers. Even small PC speakers should work better.

>>2786565
The audio outputs of pretty much all game consoles and AV equipment are line outputs thus "high" impedance (like 300-1500 ohms), like I described here >>2786567.

These low impedance outputs you posted about are meant to directly drive speaker (coils) with 4-16ohms impedance with high power, I say this because of the lack of AC coupling capacitors that can cause, that:
>each output tries to drive the very low impedance of the other, forcing both outputs into current-limit and possible damage
Capacitors can prevent here that the one output drives the other one by charging up and isolating both drivers from each other.

Headphone outputs of rather oldschool portables (like Gameboy or Walkman) are also quite low impedance but have a rather low power output and are coupled with a rather huge capacitance like 100µF or more, the common point is connected to device's ground.

Modern headphone outputs (almost everything since 2004, I guess) are not really AC coupled but workaround these huge caps by generating a common voltage as ground for the headphones like 1.6V (half of 3.3V which comes from a 3.7-4.2V lithium battery) and having their signals DC offset on 1.6V so that silence shouldn't heat up (and damage) the headphones because it's (almost) 0V between common voltage and the signal.
Shorting stereo to mono here could cause damage.

>TL;DR mixing with a Y-splitter shall be only done by professionals that know their shit

>>2786581
Exactly, if you can't tell high power and AC coupled line level signals apart then just don't do it.

>>2786601
I actually looked the schematics up.
There should be a 1Kohm resistor and 10µF cap in series, so it's protected and safe to do.

>>2786624
(by pathetic quality, I mean the speakers have no highs or lows to them.)

>>2786624
The potential problem isn't in not working or damaging the monitor, the risk is in damaging the source device. You won't break a SNES.

>>2786640
I can confirm I haven't broken my SNES either. I don't do it anymore because PVM's have shitty speakers, but nothing broke when I did.

>>2786634
>Exactly, if you can't tell high power and AC coupled line level signals apart then just don't do it.
Right, which is also the reason I don't think it's wise to promote the idea without provisos.

Anybody here own one of these?

>>2786656
multiscan CRT, supports 15kHz and VGA

>>2786656
>peeling sticker so we can't see model number
smart.

>>2786656
ooh, neat

>>2786661
Show us that it supports 15khz. Hook a SNES up to it. Some multiscan monitors I've owned won't do 15khz RGB despite being labeled 'multiscan' and working with composite.

>>2786527
>Explain the danger and also the right way to do it.
>>2786667
>Show us that it supports 15khz.
I don't want to live on this rude planet any more.

>>2786662
>>2786665
>>2786667
I don't have a way to output 15kHz over VGA at the moment, this is composite
But the Toshiba MM20E45 was designed for old Amiga computers that used both 15kHz and 31kHz modes

>>2786669
I'm interested and want to be proven wrong. I want RGB 15khz monitors to exist outside of the commodore 1084 and apple IIgs monitors and expensive broadcast monitors.

Sorry if it came off as rude, but I really want to see proof before I sink money into one.

>>2786673
Do you know if the Zenith H32G48S supports 15kHz over its VGA HD15 connector?

>>2786672
Neat. If you ever get a RGB to VGA breakout thing, let us know. As-is, I think there's a good chance if it was intended for Amiga's.

>>2786673
>apple IIgs monitors
I remember calling Redmond Cable as a kid hoping to get a cable to connect my SNES to my 12" //gs RGB monitor. At first the lady said she was sure they'd have something for that combination since they sold cables for them both individually, but after checking she said there was nothing to connect them both. I was gutted.

>>2786680
You're lucky - I never had a //gs monitor.

I had a //e monitor and still do to this day. This one's composite only.

my childhood //e monitor. Wish I still had the //e for it, but it was technically my family's, and they junked it while I was in college.

>>2786678
No clue, but if it can do 15khz composite I'd say it's at least worth a shot.

Apple RGB monitor

>>2786684
I wish I knew where all our old Apple stuff was. Either buried in storage or tossed out by family long ago, sadly.

>>2786728
Same here anonfriend, same here.

>>2786586
>>2786567
Alright, I hope I got it right this time.

Although before ordering parts and whatnot I really need to confirm my Extron outputs 5v/500mA on Pin 9; else I'll need to cannibalise a cell phone charger or something.
Once again, you have my thanks (and sorry that you needed to keep spoonfeeding me answers).

>>2786290
Realistic STA-2380 powering a pair of Klipsch KG4s
https://a.pomf.cat/nmaytq.mp4
The built in speaker on the PVMs aren't terrible, and are what I use in my attic setup currently(when the Megaview isn't in use). Megaview has decent speakers, as well as a built in 5W amplifer for external speakers; Haven't actually had a chance use said amp though.

>>2786340
Seconding the Lepai, but I'd like to add that it's really only a good option if you only need ~6W per channel, as anymore tends to get distortion. Efficient speakers are definitely useful in this situation.

I'm thinking about picking up a crt, I can't connect my n64 to my current TV.

>>2787123
Good to know.

Any reason in particular you posted this here? I don't see you looking for advice.

>>2787069
My PVM-20L5 and PVM-1944Q speakers are horrible. No highs and no lows. IDK about yours.

Here are my speakers.

>>2786765
so why exactly are you using a scaler on a CRT? I assume CRT because this is after all a CRT thread.

Sup so I finally got to the service menu on my 14m2u but now I need to know which setting can rotate the screen. It's slanted off to the bottom left. Anybody have suggestions? I don't want to go through over 100 options

>>2787190
find the service manual and look for rotation settings in it. The manual should explain it.

>>2787192
I've been looking for the service manual but can't find it I just end up finding shitty manuals that are 50 pages long because they're in different languages

>>2787192
>>2787190
Found the 20M2 manual which should be similar, and it looks like it'll probably be under NOR DEF or OTHER.

If not, you'll need to crack it open if it really bothers you that much.

Maybe the TV came from a the other hemisphere. That can cause rotation problems due to the earth's magnetic field.

>>2787196
The service manual is 92 pages long and covers multiple monitor models, including yours.
http://neohyphengeo.com/PVM20M2_SM_SONY_EN.pdf

>>2787180
>No highs and no lows.
Did you forget the rest of the line, anon? Let me help ya

>Must be Bose.

:^)

>>2787206
Thanks, I think the only way to rotate it is by poppin it open. The service manual has a whole section for "deflection yoke neck rotation adjustment" so I guess I'm fucked with this slanted image forever

>>2787217
I thought it might be bose at first.

Turns out it's Sony.

>>2787232
How bad is it? show a picture.

>>2787235
>Highs tinny, lows phony.
>Turns out it's Sony.

>>2787242
the highs aren't even tinny. The highs don't exist.

>>2787243
I guess we could take it back to basics then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGeYt8ONxxA

>>2787236
You asked for it

>>2787275
10/10

>>2785690
Sorry I was away. I literally just did trial and error before soldering. Anyway that thing is pretty damn cool for the $18USD it costs. n64 emu looks great and I can barely wait to try playstation. I sit down to try games with the intent of just to test and end up playing a bunch.

>>2787337
The colours on the connector that came with mine didn't match the channels so it was confusing. Blue was red, white was blue etc.

>>2786765
Would love to hear how this goes. I normally use a similar circuit to viletim's, just merged lines, an 820R resistor then a 220uF cap. With VGA that gives almost no DC offset and a max current of well under 1mA.

>>2787320
MY EPILEPSY!

>>2787341
if someone wants to do it way more easily than I did

>>2786290
No PVM here unfortunately, but if I did, I'd use my Technics SA R230 with a pair of SB LX70s through the audio out just as I do with my consumer trinitron.

Unless PVMs dont have RCA audio out, that would totally suck.

>>2787320
Nice, you've also got that episode. Too bad my camera can't sync to a CRT properly and is also kinda crappy for video.

Ah well. 480i first. 480p next.
ffmpeg's libvpx encoder is slow as fuck.
(From PVM-20L5)

>>2787275
upside-down? nasty. I recommend just turning the TV upside down in that case.

If that's not supposed to be flipped, do it right next time.

On another note, why the fuck doesn't 4chan support VP9? It's higher quality at a lower size.

>>2787417
480p now.
That's much nicer.

>>2787337
What you should have done was to look up CGA pinouts and not be a total retard.

Still, glad you managed to make it work.

>>2787417
>you've also got that episode
It's a youtube video, thus the absolutely wonderful macroblocking. Having to slam the bitrate down so much doesn't help matters. https://a.pomf.cat/xaasye.mp4

Have any control over the camera's shutter speed? If so, 1/30 should hypothetically be relatively decent for 480i; 1/60 seems to cause really odd field jittering for me.

>why the fuck doesn't 4chan support VP9?
Because mootles is a weenie; It'd be nice to see that and the exif scrubber getting toned down by Hiro.
Also raising the webm filesize to at least match the image file limit. Getting stuff to come out decent inside of 4MB is doable; 3MB is just a pain.

>>2787441
Ah.
I got my version straight from an original (generation 1) VHS transfer. No youtube compression in my copy. Transferred it to DVD.

ffmpeg managed to do a good job on mine but I had to specify qmin 10 and qmax 60 for vp8 to look somewhat good.

>>2787441
mootles is ded
and 4mb is available at /gif/ and /wsg/
and I believe ffmpeg vp9 is still shit ATM

>>2787441
Oh, and no, I can't set shutter speed while taking video. Only for still photos.
It sucks.

Still, my webm's look approximately like my sources do. Maybe slightly worse. Not too bad though.

>>2787475
my VP9's from ffmpeg looked better and were about 250KiB smaller.

>>2787475
I'm aware, I'm just stating it would be nice for it be made site-wide by hiro.
Not even arguing for audio at this point, just an increase in filesize.

>>2787185
It's primarily to downscale 480i stuff with linedoubling (arcade ports for the most part; fighters, CAVE shmups, etc.), but also to experiment with scanlines on true-480p content.

>>2787348
It'll probably be a month or two before I can get everything together but when it's finished I'll definitely post back with results.

>>2787554
but why are you fucking with a video signal when it's already intended for a CRT?

>>2787562
(by which I mean, was it not already good enough the way the developers intended?)

>>2787395
I want a front loading turntable or a turntable/cassette combo any good ones you messed with?

>>2787569
those are both horrible ideas
>front loading vinyl
be ready for mechanical failures that destroy records.
>combos
almost never as nice quality-wise as stand-alone pieces.

>>2787564
>>2787562
I know this is bait but: the developers (of the port) were wrong. PS3/XB360 etc. ports of CAVE SHMUPS can't do 240p like the Arcade versions due to hardware limitations of PS3/XB360.

>>2787395
PVMs don't have audio out in the usual sense. They have audio passthrough if you're chaining, but it's mono only (at least in all PVMs I've seen). What you end up doing is simply not connecting the sound from the console to the PVM at all simply connecting it directly to your sound system.

>>2787564
Pretty much this >>2787576
A lot of arcade ports released during the console dark ages run exclusively at 480i. A softmodded console can be forced to output 480p, and by downscaling back to 240p they're returned to their intended resolution.

Rather than "fucking with the signal" it's kind of like a miniature historical restoration.

>>2785854
Underappreciated post.

>>2787417
It wasn't supposed to come out upside down I'm just a faggot

>>2785854
>>2787746
Strange. I don't have any trouble with Dewgong. webm related.

>>2787569
Never messed with one and I've never heard good things either. Just get a regular turntable and separate tape deck

>>2787580
Aw man, that really messes it up, alot of the older hifi recievers don't have enough input since they were made to be used with a bunch of stereo components. Mine had like 5, Phono, CD, Tape and VCR 1/2. I use the VCR 1 for the audio coming out of my TV and control the volume just with the regular TV remote, it works well.

I've been thinking of just getting a consumer Trinitron with component input instead, maybe I should do that. But I want it to be a black curved screen one, and I've only seen one but it was too far. Maybe soon.

>>2787853
>Never messed with one and I've never heard good things either. Just get a regular turntable and separate tape deck
agreed. It's like he's deliberately looking for the worst possible hardware.

Look for a PVM. Check with local station engineers to see if they're getting rid of any CRT's soon. They might not know the model numbers off the top of their heads, but odds are you'll get a PVM. If not, it'll be another nice quality studio monitor CRT, if they still have them at all. I love my Panasonic monitor and my 20L5 for different reasons but both are awesome and were free.

>>2787875
Well of course I'd love a PVM, but if they dont have an rca out like the consumer ones then it's going to be a problem, so the scart to component route might have to be for me. Or I could just S-video, not really worry about it and keep using my 32 inch one

>>2787759
>>2787275
Fixed it.

Can't really see the bezel of the TV to check how rotated it is, but I tried my best by messing with the black levels in GIMP and drew what I think the outline might be. Is this about right?

(a better pic would be great. Spoilered because not really retro. Awesome game though.)

>>2787849
why did i watch that whole thing?

>>2787894
and without outline

>>2787897
because it's about 43 seconds and everyone loves the old Pokemon games (post-gen 2 comparatively sucks, especially gen 5+, though).

>>2787894
I got you nig. Will post soon

My espeon has at least 2 15 DV's.

HP = 15
Attack = 5-14 (unknown)
Defense = 10-15 (unknown)
Speed = 5-14 (unknown)
Special Attack = 15
Special Defense = 15

The special DV covers both special attack and special defense, but thankfully that's exactly what Espeon needs.

...I love Espeon. It's my favorite, along with Dragonite.

>>2787947

Bleh. Umbreon for the win.

>>2787910

I remember playing a portion of Gen. 3 exactly _once_. The experience was disappointing enough to kill any enthusiasm I had for the series right then and there.

>>2787894
Here it is, haven't cleaned the smudgy screen yet and no thats not dust its just some roach poison.

>>2787910
>>2787962
I had a retarded friend who was too daunted by the challenge of pokemon when we were younger. His first pokemon game was gen 3 and he got everything up till platinum or whatever until he realized he was making a mistake.

He was shocked when he found out I had only played the first two gens for the last 10+ years. Although why would I play any other pokemon really

>>2787962
Umbreon looks cool (and I have a second eevee I'm friending up for evolution), but espeon is more powerful in battles from my experience.

>>2787964
Ah, I see the rotation now.

One thing you could do if you can't find rotation controls anywhere and (understandably) don't want to mess with the deflection yoke would be to decrease the V.SIZE control and H.SIZE to maintain the aspect ratio. That way you could get the entire picture on the screen, at the very least.

>>2788014
Yup I adjusted the Vsize Hsize and a number of other options so that I could the entire picture within the screen.
What you see right now is infinitely better than how it was setup when I got it. I spent maybe an hour adjusting settings to make sure that I could fit the most image on screen without losing anything

>>2788039
alright, sounds good.
I'd still work on the deflection yoke itself if you want it truly fixed, but I understand why you wouldn't want to.

another 20L5 pic

>>2788087
Way too frightened to start messing with that. I've heard too many tales of people messing up their monitor when trying to adjust it.

Plus the rotation isn't that bad r-right?

I'm glad I got into CRTs before I actually tried to get into melee. Having a PVM makes things nice.

>>2788090
Damn, dude.
Shit's CRISP!

>>2788147
I never melee so clear until I got my pvm. Then I noticed the rotation problem and it threw everything off.

I was always into melee but only in the last year did I start acquiring crt's and finally a pvm

>>2788147
Yours looks a bit slanted as well. Bottom right

are you all playing some modded version? what's that "20xx" bullshit?

I was into melee back when it was new and people still used CRT's. Never got rid of mine.

>>2788153
Glad you think it's crisp. I spent about two days trying to get it juuust right after taking it apart and fixing my rotation and convergence problems.

>>2788198
Yes it's a mod. 20xx is life.

I kick myself for getting rid of my 32inch wega only because now I have a 27 inch. There's just no way you could actually store it for that long.

>>2788209
so why didn't you just keep using the wega?

Also, why is 20xx so good?

>>2787554
>that wiring
What the fuck man.
About the only thing you got right was the RGB and RGB ground pins.

>>2788267
I got rid of the wega sometime around 06 when I upgraded to my sharp aquos. Back then I was a wee lad and knew nothing of the benefits of a CRT for melee.

20xx is basically just a training pack for melee. It has cool features like highlighting if you properly(or fail to) L-cancel. It has features which allow you to see your hitboxes, you can program the comp to do specific things, it skips the intro to the game, you can enter widescreen mode, you can disable certain things on stages(shy guys, transformations) there's more but I'm blanking

>>2788267

http://www.20xx.me/

Hacked to get replays that are better than Smash 4, lol Nintendo.

Also cool shit like blink-on-missed-L-Cancel, etc., for training.

rgb modded pc engine duo r on sony pvm 1954q

What's the RGB situation for the original xbox? Wondering if I can get 480p RGB (sync on green) out of it.

>>2788602
From what little ive read you need to mod the TSOP or buy a modchip, and put a custom BIOS on it in order to output normally unsupported video types. Better off finding a component capable HDCRT

>>2788602
>>2788776
>>>/v/

>>2788602
Also the xbox could output up to 1080i i believe for some games. A lot had 720p support so RGsB would be wasted as it maxes at 480p while component can handle all the necessary resolutions.

>>2788780
Fuck off if hes hooking it up to a CRT its relevant enough.

Time to start considering DC/PS2/GCN/XBOX retro, bros.

>>2788785
>>2788956
CRT threads really have turned to shit.

>>2788602

Which CRT has 480p RGB that wouldn't also have 480p Component?

>>2788958
Various presentation monitors.
PC monitors

>>2788602
A little look around suggests there are VGA mods out there; Once you've got VGA, turning that into RGsB isn't terribly difficult or expensive.

>>2788956
DC "already is". I wouldn't mind some talk of the others, since you really can't talk about them on /v/ at this point, but I can only see PS2 discussion as drowning out literally everything else should it be allowed.

>>2788956
Agreed. At the very least GBA and all pre-DS/PSP handhelds.

Too bad this isn't a meta thread and we don't make the rules in here, you'll just have to try to stick to what we've got in the meantime.

>>2788987
if you mod it to VGA you might as well just keep it VGA and use a pc monitor no sense adding excess hardware. Just my opinion though.

>>2789098
for some reason my name got erased.... well this is me btw.

>>2788987
IIRC the XBOX does RGsB naturally and it's usually turning that into RGBHV that's the endeavour for folks that modify them.

>>2789102
Does it?
Ive never seen a cable made up for it that is RGsB.

>>2789103
FUCK is "Life" not "Liffe" POS 4chan pissing me off, sorry to go off topic and waste a post.

>>2789103
google "xbox sync on green" and you'll see for yourself in the results.

>>2789106
Anything Im finding seems to point to having to first softmod the xbox... I havent been able to find a single article stating the xbox natively supports an output of RGsB

>>2789132
Well, natively you can only get it do to component or RGBS (15 kHz) only, I think.

>>2789134
Thats what i thought. I know there are plenty of mods for xbox I'm looking into modding one of mine for vga output.

>>2789137
Then it seems like softmodding it will give you RGsB. Then you have to find some way to deal with sync on green by either using a monitor that supports it off the bat or building a circuit that splits it into RGBHV.

Some quick googling shows that you could potentially tap HV syncs off the XBOX board somehow, but that then involves hard-modding the XBOX of course.

>>2789143
yes so ive read, my plan was to hard mod vga outputs, but i may not need to if i can get ahold of a bvm d series monitor

Phonedork's recent video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXHQvJkfy8o ) got me in the mood to give "high angle, low DoF" a shot with the RX-100. While I'm sure I could get quite nice results with it if I felt like fiddling around with it, I ended up just going for head on with ever so slightly out of "perfect" focus to avoid moire.

Came out pretty decent, I think.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jZsmVVSIQE

>>2788278
Better?

tfw cant get into menus on my trini because the universal remote doesnt work
i tried a few apps with the IR blaster hting on my phone but i cant do much other than change the volume.

i think i could bump up the sharpness a bit, does this look blurry ish to you?

>>2788412
hope that holds over the guy that requested it, as i haven't scheduled time to mod my duo r.

>>2789314
>sharpness
You do not want to have any artificial sharpness

How do you get a PC to recognize a PVM with a VGA -> BNC cable? I'm able to send it video, but it doesn't show up in device manager and I can't get CRU to see it.

>>2787320
Fuck. I remember downloading a low-quality capture of this off some tiny, Pokemon fan site on a 56k connection about 16 years ago. I remember my friends were afraid to watch it.

>>2788201
>You will never spot a /CRT/bro while he converges his 20L5.
Feel bad man.

>>2789605
I think that's about all you get
what video card?
You can set a custom TV in some of them

>>2789601
I feel my image could look a little better

>>2789605
You can't unless the video card outputs 15kHz or the PVM accepts 31kHz

I'm new to the CRT scene. I'm picking this up for free from a friend of mine and it has component in. My question is if a RGB scart to component adapter would work for my Jap Sega Saturn to get the best possible quality.

>>2788412
some more, this time from Y's

>>2788201
How easy is it to fix the rotation problem. You have to adjust the yoke correct?

>>2789314
get a universal remote. I've had luck with those.

(particularly sony branded universal remotes)

>>2790591
rotate the yoke to rotate the picture. Yeah, you have to rotate the yoke. Getting color purity is also tricky afterwards when you're fixing it back down. To rotate the yoke you also need to take off the metal band(s) clamping the back of the yoke to the tube neck. don't pull back on the yoke though or you'll mess up convergence and color purity. That's fixable but takes time. I took the yoke off entirely because I had to also remove a foreign object from inside the yoke itself, so I had to readjust for purity and convergence as well, but you'll have an easier time if you're just rotating. Don't pull off the rubber wedges if they're glued to the tube surface, btw.

>>2790254
If you can find one, yes.

>>2789952
Maybe it can look a little better but the 'sharpness' control is not the way to go.

how big are your crts guys? mine is 15 inches, comfy for playing at my desk

>>2790760
got a 13in and a 29in. the 29in is heavy as fuck and I almost kill myself lifting it.

>>2790769
i would love a bigger crt but i live in a tiny ass apartment and dont know where i'd put it

looking to get into crts, someone near me is selling this, is it a decent price, decent monitor? im planning on using mostly composite for now

I have 2 monitors, and nowhere to put the second. So I put it right next to the other.
Is there any use in having 2 monitors right next to each other? Because I can't figure out what to do with the second one.

>>2790774
8" is really fucking tiny. I wouldn't spend more than $20 on an 8" monitor
If you're just starting with CRTs, grab a trinitron TV while they're still cheap/free.

>>2790786
okay, i probably wont get it then, thanks for the heads up

>>2790774
not a decent price and also too small. A normal black sony trinitron tv will be fine for composite (some even have svideo) you dont need a pvm.

>>2790760
13
14(Pro)
17(PC)
17(PC ded)
19(PC)
20(Pro)
20(Pro)
24(ded?)
27(HD problematic)
30(HD)
32
37(Pro)
Inches for all of the above

If I ever get a chance to fully indulge and have everything setup as I'd like it, I'd like to use the 13 and 14in for a desk station, and have a nice couch/co-op station based around the 27 and 37 inchers.

>>2790774
Too small, too old, too expensive.

>>2790793
Photo was meant to be pointed towards >>2790782
I was going to say, If one of them has better audio than the other but a not as nice picture, you could chain them together and use one for video and one for audio.
Extremely inefficient, but it's something.
Makes for neat photos at the very least.

>>2790793
>Too small, too old, too expensive.
thank you, that is the info I needed

>>2790760
15" and 19" ViewSonic PC CRTs
20" Toshiba Multimedia Monitor
36" Sony KV-36HS500

>>2790802
that looks really good

>>2790689
You're a better man than I. I have a 20L5 that I got burned on about a year ago and haven't used for about 6 months because every time I turn it on I spend hours trying to fix its borderline unplayable geometry issues before I just realized I wasn't even playing the games and just gave up. I kind of want to get rid of it but I had such a hard time finding it and setting it up that it's more trouble than it's worth. Words can't express how envious I am.

>>2790782

Daisy chain them.

Also, System Link Double Dash / Halo.

>>2790760

8" Ikegami Pro Monitor (portable + testing)
14" Sony PVM 14M (sell soon?)
14" Sony PVM 14L5 w/ 480p
48" Sony modern tv

>>2790806
19"-22" PC monitors really were the pinnacle of CRT design

>>2790840

awesome thumbnail

the 36" 4:3 WEGA which is not nearly as good

>>2790826
>daisy chain them
If I have two 20" video monitors, could I do this for multiplayer Secret of Mana?

>>2790852
looks great to me

>>2790856

If one of them is a PVM, yes. All the inputs have "out" lines as well.

Non PVMs you'd need some kind of splitter I guess.

mascot

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-90s-Rare-Y2K-Sticker-Sheet-/252127289803?hash=item3ab3f521cb:g:xywAAOSw~bFWIF2U

>>2790852
Is that an HD CRT?

>>2790868
Answered my own question by googling the model number.
I hope you're not trying to put 240p games on that tv. They're gonna look like shit.

>>2790863
One of them is, so excellent. Thank you.
I'll order some BNC cables whenever I finally get around to sourcing a multitap.

>>2790868
>>2790878
yeah supposedly good for 1080i but I mostly use it for 480p stuff nowadays
worst part about it is the analog input lags like a motherfucker
the DVI input works great though

>>2790889
Now that I've got something with a manually adjustable shutter speed, I need to retest my HS420.

480p and 1080i stuff both look quite decent on it; I can imagine a larger model with decent geometry would be quite nice.

>>2790892
I have more
Here's an example that clearly shows 3 frames of lag between the lagless 1980s TV and the HS500

>>2790897
this one only seems to show 2 frames of lag

>>2790897
That actually sounds pretty close to what I had come to see with my old camera, I was just hoping to get a more accurate account.

Checking with 480i over component, splitting luma to the older TV gives the same result, usually 3 frames occasionally 2 frames of lag.

>>2790884

BVM > RCA adapters would be easier and cheaper (Radio Shack, Home Depot, etc), plus component cables from Goodwill for the RGB and sound lines.

>>2790905
It's shit
digital framebuffer, everything is resampled to 960i iirc

480p over component gives about 1 frame of lag

There is also a barely perceptible difference with the digital input, I used my PC outputting to both my Viewsonic VGA CRT and the Sony over DVI, but I haven't measured it.

>>2790910
I can't speak for your HS500, but my 420 seems to be outputting a pretty clean 480p image when it's being fed one.

>>2790856
What would be the benefit? So you won't have to crowd around the same screen?

>>2790914
sorry I meant all 15kHz sources
240p, 480i
the 480p is what I'm outputting to it right now with my PC, it's clean and stable and 60Hz

Can a PVM with RGB source *output* on the S-Video / Component line? That would be a perfect setup, 14" RGB when you want it but easy daisy-chain to a consumer Trinitron for multiplayer and etc.

>>2790915
Pretty much.
20" is actually quite small. 2 people around one that size is fine, but 3 is a bit much.

>>2790909
RCA>BNC adapters actually quite expensive in Australia.
http://www.jaycar.com.au/Sight-%26-Sound---Home/AV-Leads-%26-Adaptors/Video/BNC-Plug-to-RCA-Socket/p/PA3654

Since I'd need 8, that's about $30 before shipping, not including the cable (probably another $15, again sans shipping); altogether that's roughly the same as a BNC RGB cable.

>>2790923
Nope.

>>2790254
If it's an SDTV, you should be fine

>>2790760
TVs: 13, 20, 20, 27, 29, 30, 32, 34, 34, 35, 36, 36"
PVM on the desk: 13"
PC monitors: sorry man I ain't counting all that shit, but it's more than I have TVs (favorite is 22")

>>2790914
HS420 doesn't have native 480p regardless of your progressive/interlaced menu setting, none of the later HD Sonys do

>>2790760
>CRT sizes?
far left: toshiba 72a42 consumer TV (YPbPr 15khz inputs), 27"
middle top: Panasonic BT-H1390yn broadcast monitor, 14"
middle bottom: Sony PVM-20L5 broadcast monitor, 20"
far right: Apple IIe composite color monitor, 12"

>>2787882
>Well of course I'd love a PVM, but if they dont have an rca out like the consumer ones then it's going to be a problem, so the scart to component route might have to be for me. Or I could just S-video, not really worry about it and keep using my 32 inch one

BNC -> RCA adapters are magical beasts and cost absolutely nothing.

>>2790774
way too small for the price.
For $40-60, maybe. definitely closer to 40 than 60.

>>2790852
That looks suspiciously LCD like (or digitally scaled).
Wish I had a SNES flash cart, though. FFV is my favorite in the series.

>>2790840
That style of PC monitor is really, really dim. I'd claim you're wrong and trinitrons of similar size were better, having used both shadow masks and aperture grilles.

>>2790923
>>2790943
You could make/commission a custom cable that had both RGB and S-Video outputs, and have the RGB fed to the PVM and either loop the S-Video through and out to the consumer set or just run it directly.

The encoder for the console shouldn't have any problem at all with both being used at once.
Unrelated, but:
I've actually been playing around with the idea of modding my stuff to use a single pinout based on a VGA connector. Have any and all video signal available on a single cable without any crossover between signals like SCART(S-Video/RGB conflict) and separate ground when at all possible. Audio would be run either over 2RCA or a standard 3.5mm headphone cable. Alternatively but less likely, use digital audio when possible.
All entirely theoretical, no idea how it would deal with interference.

>>2791002
I don't have anything that proves you wrong, but visually I can't see anything that would suggest it's running in an interlaced mode, where as it's plain as day when my HD Sanyo is displaying ED/HD signals.

>>2791005
Pretty sure that comment was directed at PC monitors of that size in general, and not one specific model or type.

I'd kill for a 19+'' PC Trinitron, but I like the way my 17'' looks, even if it refuses to turn on half the time.

>>2791002
Have you actually tried the HS420 yourself? I can tell very easily 240p/480i is upscaled on the set, but 480p definitely isn't.

http://imgur.com/a/51CNZ
480p with fake scanlines on KV-32HS420

>>2791012
Michael Moffitt (mikejmoffit.com) uses VGA-style HD15 D-sub connectors like that.

>>2791005
hey, at least I've got a NES everdrive that krikzz refuses to pull his head out of his ass to fix Fire Emblem on.

...Or Just Breed, which uses MMC5 but doesn't run at all, despite his claim of MMC5 support.

Seriously, there is not a single good NES flash cart. To anyone who suggests the PowerPak, tell me when it can play Lagrange Point. Because the EDN8 has the game working and expansion sound is coming. I trust in this because it's not Krikzz who's developing the mapper. I have no trust in Krikzz.

>>2791012
>You could make/commission a custom cable that had both RGB and S-Video outputs, and have the RGB fed to the PVM and either loop the S-Video through and out to the consumer set or just run it directly.
If he's going to spend money he could just buy a distribution amp and be ready for any source device

>I've actually been playing around with the idea of modding my stuff to use a single pinout based on a VGA connector. Have any and all video signal available on a single cable without any crossover between signals like SCART(S-Video/RGB conflict) and separate ground when at all possible. Audio would be run either over 2RCA or a standard 3.5mm headphone cable. Alternatively but less likely, use digital audio when possible.
>All entirely theoretical, no idea how it would deal with interference.
Lawrence Wright (neogeoman) did this years ago

>I don't have anything that proves you wrong, but visually I can't see anything that would suggest it's running in an interlaced mode, where as it's plain as day when my HD Sanyo is displaying ED/HD signals.
The only off-the-cuff test I can offer you is to change between 1080i and 480p resolutions on the fly. The TV might re-sync but the tube doesn't refocus (go by the sound and time needed), and the overlay doesn't change in appearance or resolution.

>>2791017
>Have you actually tried the HS420 yourself?
Yeah, owned one along with several of its contemporaries and immediate predecessors/successors.

>>2791018
MMC5 was never marked as fully suppported. Only partial support for CV3 since it uses like 1% of MMC5

>>2791024
Then that's one hell of a magic upscale. There's also the fact that 480p is progresive, while you're saying it would upscale it to 1080i or whatever. Whenever the set runs in 1080i the interlacing artifacts are very visible, but there's none in 480p. Can you explain this trickery?

>>2791024
>Lawrence Wright (neogeoman) did this years ago
Never said it was original or anything, was just clearing my mind a bit and giving a little outline of the way I was going to organize things; Specifically with the image.

>>2791026
>MMC5 was never marked as fully suppported. Only partial support for CV3 since it uses like 1% of MMC5
It is true that CV3 uses a very small amount of MMC5's capabilities. However, I will refer you to this chart which is proudly displayed on the store page for the EDN8.
http://krikzz.com/pub/support/everdrive-n8/mappers.png
Note that iNES mapper 5 is MMC5, and it is clearly green. Nowhere on the store page is there a disclaimer reading 'CV3 only'. So as this is on the store page, MMC5 is marked and marketed as supported.

(store page http://shop.krikzz.com/EverDrive-N8-NES-EDN8NES.htm )


In short, you're wrong.

>>2791027
Might have native 540p or 720p, but I doubt it. The Toshibas of the time did similar bullshit. But no, you're not getting 480p.

My Sonys are unplugged in the garage but I can dig one out and plug it in. The easiest to reach is an XS955 and I don't have any HSes any more, but I can take a look sometime.

>>2791031
No, I mean you can refer to how he did it if you're looking for guidance

IIRC he decapitated video cables for all his systems and made a universal extension cable connected to his video chain

>>2791034
540p isn't a standardized resolution/line count in NTSC countries. It could well work because I have made CRT computer monitors display for example 720x540, but it is not a standard so don't call it 540p. people say 1080p but they don't specify horizontal resolution, and if it followed the 480p standard 4:3 ratio it would be different than it is as 16:9 (the standard ratio for '1080p'). For the sake of clarity don't invent standards. Same for anyone who says they have a 1440p computer monitor.

>>2791037
>don't call it 540p
Toshiba did, it's in the OSD

I personally dgaf

>>2791034
They have different tubes though. According to wiki the 420 is only a hi-scan set, compared to the higher resolution super fine pitch models.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FD_Trinitron/WEGA

>>2791039
Yeah, I helped fix that article

>>2791034
So how is it really a problem if it looks good? I have a PC CRT to compare it to, and 640x480 on that looks close enough to 480p on the set.

>>2791041
>problem
That's your word, not mine

Anyway just saw that BazookaBen described this on shmups forum:

>Oh and just for the record, when you send a 480p image to a Sony HD CRT, you will in fact get a true 480p picture, it's not scaled to a different resolution. They do it by centering the 480p image inside of a 540p frame, then stretch the frame to eliminate underscan. So every pixel is represented accurately, just with some degree of input lag. If you have a PC, you can make a custom timing to create a 33.75hz 480p signal that will trick the TV into thinking it is 540p, and that way you'll have zero input lag. Good trick for older PC games and some Doujin shmups.

>>2791042
Interesting, though the component out from my video card can't be configured like that.

>>2791035
Alright, I get you now.
If I'm reading this right, he's the one in charge of gamesx? If so, I've seen his page on the DB9 setup and actually where I got the idea.
I just wanted to expand it to cover all possible video signals with audio taken out of the picture.

If I were to institute something like this, it'd an entirely custom cable, not something built of existing ones. I guess as it is now, it'd be more accurate to call it a breakout cable with the VGA connector on the console side and any number of BNC and DIN connectors on the other.
Any type of resistors or capacitors that would normally be inside the cable would be located inside the system like >>2782063 did.

>>2790774
IT's not an 8024 it's an 8042, and it's way overpriced. The other anon saying $20 max is too high IMHO. The 8045 is worth about $25 as it's higher line count makes the screen clearer. the lower line count of the 8042 isn't worth paying for.

Those people claiming 8" is too small are wrong. I use them for testing and emulating DS and other things, and they're fun.

>>2791056
Too small for the price, as you plainly agree with given your suggested price for a better model.

>>2791042
I don't think you can have zero input lag on these HD CRTs
even digital input has some lag (720x480 over DVI is unscaled)

>>2790774
get a bigger one for cheaper.

>>2791056
heh, I got my 14" PVM-14L4 for about $20, that's both high line count and bigger.

>>2790760
CRT Sizes
14' PVM 14M2U
20' PVM 20M4U
25' PVM 2530
27' Sony 27FS120
36' Sony 36FS120
40' Pioneer PDP v402 (2x Working, 1 broken for spare parts)

Does anyone have a better designation for the Pioneer. Technically it is a plasma, but its ~100lbs and is 4:3 so its "CRT-ish"

>>2791303
Oh and I would probably give someone a limp handjob if I could flip my 14 inch PVM and 20 inch PVM for a 800line 14 inch pvm.

The 20 is too big for my desk, and the 14 is only 600lines.

>>2790760
14" PVM-14L2
14" PVM-14L4
and I think 15" or 17" inch (depends if you're measuring marketing inches or not) PC CRT COMPAQ brand, haven't checked the model number.

I used to have a 100 Hz (I think RGB might've been mostly unprocessed though) 32" 16:9 CRT, but I had to get rid of it ;_;

>>2791305
Not sure if that exists for the PVM line but either the BVM-14F5x or the BVM D-14H1x/D-14H5x have 800 TVL ratings for 4:3 resolutions.

To my knowledge, the only 800TVL PVMs are in the 20" range.

The latter also has multisync (240p+) capabilities as well if that interests you.

>>2791305
800-line PVM: PVM-14L4 will do the job. Mine has a really nice picture. If you can find the PVM-14L5 you'll get the same tube but with 480p support, so that one is preferable really.

Going to go look at a few JVC TM-H150CG monitors, they have s video but no rgb/component inputs.
A few questions, will s video be at least acceptable quality on a 14 inch screen?
Will i be able to hook this up to my pc with a vga to s-video adapter? (assuming my card can output 15 Hrtz)
They are asking 50 a piece for them, is it worth it or should I hold out for a pvm?

Daily Reminder, /crt/: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjJ8irRPdqk

>>2791437
PVMs have removable power cords. Pull it out of the monitor and stick it in your pocket when you are gonna move em.

For consumer sets tape the cord to the tv to get it out of the way.

>Implying /crt/bros arent building triceps, core, legs, lower back and posterior chain by deadlifting 100+ lb crts.

VR crt bros would beat the living shit out of PC master race with their 2lb monitors.

>>2791396
>will s-video be acceptable
that all depends on you

personally I'll take RGB when I can take it, because the colours are that much nicer. (One Exception: I've come to love the NESs shitty composite output for some reason)

What happened to SED?

>>2791437
why do 90s sets look so comfy

>>2791576
Plasma's were found to have better response times, picture quality, weigh less, cost less, be more reliable and use less power. So literally everything.

>>2791587
Except that literally the exactly opposite is true, likely barring the weight.

does anyone know if Japanese dreamcast light guns work on US dreamcast systems?

i keep finding conflicting answers online. some say the japanese light guns only work on japanese light gun games.

if that's the case, couldn't i just patch my (U) ROMs to (J) ROMs before burning?

any insight is appreciated

>>2791576
Canon dropped development before the end of last decade and has ceased all efforts in producing SED tech.

The closest chance we have for non-OLED display development is AU Optronics who acquired the abandoned assets from Sony for Field Emission Displays. There hasn't been much news about that other than them being slammed with a lawsuit for allegedly breaching a copyright on a nano-emissive display technology. It's my best guess that we don't be seeing anything along the lines of mass-produced Field-Emissive Display monitors until something like carbon nanotubes becomes more easily integrated into a manufacturing process. There's also the issue of the intense vacuum pressure one has to generate for an FED to work which would be difficult to achieve in such a small panel.

Don't expect to hear about it or anything like SED for about another decade, at least.

>>2791616
>Will an NTSC light gun work on an NTSC TV?
You answered your own question.

>>2791576
Looking at the picture of how it would work, it looks like it wouldn't be able to do the magical resolution shit that current CRTs do. SED would have a native resolution.

>>2791690
He's not talking about that. He's talking about how some US release games at the time got "censored" of their light gun compatibility (And not just Dreamcast, either, Resident Evil Gun Survivor had the same problem). And, yes, in order to use the Japanese light-gun on several Dreamcast shooters like House of the Dead 2, you need the Japanese game. As long as you can play JP games on your system, you're fine. The system itself isn't region locked for the gun.

>>2791704
Oh, okay.
I was always a Nintendo guy myself.

>>2791396
post your review in this thread once you get a look at them

>>2791396

Yes, these are cool. Boxy designs and such. Stackable. You should buy 4 and stack them for system link and such, or just a cool 4-screen daisy chain. Would take up the same space as a 27"+ CRT. Offer $100 for 4.

RGB is great, but S-Video is perfectly fine and better than what we used as kids.

>>2791692
Actually, with SED, the electron emitters are so small that there is one for each subpixel element (phosphor dot).

>>2791396
>JVC TM-H150CG

Also, these have the expandable "IF-C01COMG" RGB/Component input card. Plug one of those in and you have RGB.

http://pro.jvc.com/pro/attributes/MONITOR/brochure/tmh150cg.pdf

>>2791598
It is. It's serious vaporware for those reasons. The company developing the tech couldn't even produce reliable pre production models

>>2791846
On top of that legal bullahit killed further development and the refresh rate was something like 23hz. They weren't very good at anything besides color reproduction. The picture quality was abysmal in every other way.

>>2791396
I have a 14 inch panasonic BT-H1390YN which uses the same tube and controller board as a JVC broadcast monitor. S-video looks great on it.

Dunno about it if it's not a broadcast monitor, though. YMMV.

>>2791835
So in other words the native resolution is (number of phosphors)/3, because you need 3 phosphors to form white. There is a native resolution.

>>2791838
I did see that, but I had no luck finding the expansion cards anywhere online. Is there a specific site i should be checking? Ebay did not turn up anything.

>>2791870
CRTs also use phosphor dots

>>2791049
>component out from my video card
Never ideal, t b h. VGA out -> component transcoder is the way to go, so you can do custom resolutions and timings if you want. TV output jacks on graphics cards, whether component or s-video or composite, always go through a TV encoder chip that limits your options to TV standards. That's why you never see many options for that output in your drivers.

>>2791050
Yeah, I used to be more active in that community and dealt with Lawrence on numerous occasions for some imports, but nowadays the only time I visit are for the odd pinout here and there.

>>2791578
looks '80s to me

>>2791832
>S-Video is perfectly fine and better than what we used as kids
We have non-Americans on this board, anon. Plus I had a SNES S-video cable from almost day 1.

>>2791901
The reason CRTs aren't thought to have a "native" resolution despite a finite number of phosphor triads is because those triads are not individually accessible by the TV logic. On a fixed-resolution display like LCD or SED, you can make "pixel" at 1000x500 dark blue and the same dot on the screen will light every time. You don't have that kind of discrete pixel addressing on a CRT.

This is part of what makes analog signals lag on digital (sample and hold) displays even with an image at the the display's native resolution, mapping the image to discrete pixels immediately prior to display.

>>2790760
All I've got so far is are two 8 and 13 inch PVMs

>>2791305
Whats model 20" PVM do you have?

>>2791901
Correct, but on CRT's you can display resolutions higher than the number of phosphor dots, losing pixels but displaying huge sized images. I've made my 14 inch consumer PC CRT display 2560x1920, not that I could see individual pixels at that size. With a SED you are limited to the number of emitters and cannot force it any higher.

Not saying those huge resolutions are ideal on CRT's, but they can display them.

>>2791921
What are you doing inside the 14 inch? I'm curious since I see the back is off.

And what models?

>>2791926
Just geometry adjustments since the picture was shifted to the right.

As far as models are concerned, the 8 incher is a 8044Q and the 13 incher is a 1344Q.

>>2791939
Nice. Glad you didn't have to mess with the yoke.

Also, I have the 20 inch version of your set (1944Q)!

It's the one on the right. They're nice monitors, though they're a bit harder to get set up right than the newer ones (turn up contrast too far and you'll see what I mean; there's lots of bleeding).

>>2791949
same image with white levels blown out so you can see the front console a bit better

>>2791956
Damn, I never knew there was a 20 inch equivalent.
How much you get it for?

To clarify, the 1944Q is a '20 inch' monitor by the newer way of measuring, and the 1344Q is a '14 inch' monitor. This is because Sony used to measure viewable area, and switched to measuring total tube diagonal length at some point in the 90's. But the 1944Q has the same viewable area as my 20L5 and the 1344Q has the same viewable area as a newer 14-inch PVM like the 14L5 or 14L2.

>>2791961
Free, just like the 20L5.
The 1944Q came from an old engineering company in town that did a lot of video processing solutions. Went on a tour with a professor of mine, impressed the guide engineer guy with my knowledge of analog video, and he gave me the 1944Q when I spotted it and recognized that it had RGB inputs. They had 4 of them and the engineer guy decided they could let one go from storage. The 20L5 came from a PBS station in town and saw a lot more use than the 1944Q did, but was also free.

In this pic I was messing with the trimmer for the red gun so you'll see that the coloration is a bit off.

BVM1410p
yay or nay

Ad from an issue of Popular Photography. Right column has PVM's advertised, including the 1344Q and 1944Q.

Also, looks like the GVM-2020 might be a 20-inch pro monitor able to handle 480p, according to the ad. I think it looks like a promising alternative to the 20L5 (sans 720p)... sadly the only one currently on ebay is priced at almost $500.

>>2791972
Damn that's a deal if I've ever seen one. I was lucky enough to find my 1344Q for 20 dollars locally. In fact that was the only decent CRT in the area.

I'd be super stoked to somehow stumble upon a a free PVM let alone a 14 or 20L5.

>>2791982
That depends, how much and how many hours is on the tube.
And does it have it's video cards on the back.

>>2791982
BVM should be swell.

>>2791989
GVM-2020 pictured. Manual here:
https://docs.sony.com/release/GVM2020.PDF

Looks to be 560 TVL, which should be more than enough for 480p.

Full range: RGB inputs from 15.0kHz to 36 kHz, vertical from 50 to 100Hz(!)
Also got composite inputs. Missing component it would appear, but it does have S-Video.

All in all looks like a pretty interesting set I'd not heard of. Also appears to support digital RGB like what the Apple IIe used!

>>2791990
I was a volunteer at the PBS station and just asked the engineer if he was getting rid of any monitors soon, and he told me to come by in May and he'd have a 20 inch one. Turned out to be a 20L5.

>>2792000
That GVM looks pretty rad actually. It'd be nice to come across one of those for my Dreamcast. That and being multi-format is a huge plus too. Can't imagine their too easy to get though.

>>2792000
>Looks to be 560 TVL, which should be more than enough for 480p.
TVL measures horizontal resolution.

>>2792021
>TVL measures horizontal resolution.
no shit.

>>2792000
holy shit I got triples
>>2792020
There are a few on ebay right now, all from one seller. Maybe you could get one for a more sane price if you made him an offer? He wants $490 for them list price, but encourages making offers.

Just don't pay the $490 for it. For another $10 you could have a BVM-20F1U.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-Trinitron-20-BVM-20F1U-Color-Video-Monitor-20D-24N-47924-Hrs/201462224556

>>2792028
It was for the benefit of the guy who posted
>which should be more than enough for 480p

Do you have a problem with that?

>>2792046
As I am the guy who posted, yes.

>>2792047
What is that problem, anon?

>>2792039
>$499.99
M-Maybe someday.

>>2791323
PVM 14L5 (and maybe the non-hd 14l4? I hear they use the same tube) is 800 TVL. N64 looks like shit on it because the output is so crisp.

>>2792079
Can confirm 14L4 too is 800 TVL. I usually play N64 (PAL one though, because I've had it since childhood) on my 14L2 (600 TVL). Depends on the game, though.

>>2791925
The 20 inch is a 20m4u.

>>2792079
>>2792108
I havent had my 20m4u (800 TVL) for too long so I havent played too much on it. But it is great so far for N64. NES emulated on my Everdrive 64 looks top notch, as well as WWF No Mercy.

Here are some cross posts of No Mercy 64 on my 20m4u from the Retro Wrestling Game General.
>>2786108
>>2786137
>>2786205
>>2786264

>>2791997
2 composite, 1 rgb
50€ and it's one of the few that popped within 100km, all others are like, 300km away

>>2792160
The 20m4u maxes out at 480i or can it produce higher resolutions?

How would I get audio out of a PVM to a receiver? I need the audio out to come in one input for my set-up, its a really old receiver so it doesnt have enough inputs. I see alot of them have places to connect speaker wire to, and Ive seen speaker wire to RCA before, is the sound quality any good that way?

>>2792230
First, do NOT do anything with speaker wire to phono plugs, they are different. You will damage shit (and it always pisses me off when I see RCA/phono plugs used for speaker lines on cheap electronics, because that can confuse people).

What I'd do is put a switch before your receiver, and run all your consoles' audio straight into that. Don't bother with running any audio into your PVM.

>>2792176
I'd jump on it if I were you.
Is it being shipped or are you going to pick it up?

>>2792249
Dang, what a pain in the ass. Why must the consumer trinitrons be so convenient but the PVMS look so much better.

>>2792249
I have a set of speakers where the only lines are RCA inputs...Am I not supposed to use them with a coupler for video games or as output from a DVD player?

>>2792193
Not sure, havent tried. But (I think) I'm pretty satisfied with 480i. N64 and old DVD player are the newest products I plan to use for it.

>>2792250
pickup. need to call tomorow

>>2792272
I already own a bvm 20f1u so i dont need another 480i max display. Im looking for a 480p+ display thats why i asked.

On another note to the whole thread what are your thoughts on a Mitsubishi XC-2930C??

>>2792269
>speakers where the only lines are RCA inputs
RCA/phono is just a type of plug. There are ways that it can be misused to imply the wrong type of signal a speaker/device can work with, and that's what I hate about the cheapo manufacturers who do it.

If your speakers simply accept line-level audio through its RCA jacks, they probably have a built-in amplifier and that's fine.

If your speakers are unpowered, and just use RCA jacks for speaker-level audio, that's where confusion can be introduced. Only cheap speakers for boomboxes or parts of multimedia PC speakers sets do this, and they really shouldn't.

You would never want to run amplified speaker-level audio into a device or speakers that are expecting line level. You can blow everything up in spectacular fashion.

>>2792230
Make use of switches, if only for the audio portion.

>>2792309
If it's anything like its big brother, likely a great monitor and trying to move one is probably only the equivalent of being in limbo rather than the fourth circle of hell.

The one big thing it's missing for it to be amazing, is component video support; One of the reasons I've been wanting to get a decent transcoder that work work for 480p+ resolutions. Would definitely be preferable to trying to mod certain cables.

On that topic, does anyone have some that they suggest? Lower the cost the better.

>>2792348
Thanks yeah id be able to hook up everything i own to it through mods of course. Ps2 (native), dreamcast vga box(native), xbox (soft/hardmod), gamecube (hardmod comp cable)

And as far as a component to vga tranacoder i forgot to let you know i got my monoprice one and it works well enough. Converts to a multitude of resolution choices all at 59hz(60hz). It has its own menu too for changing color contrast sharpness etc. Which helped brighten the picture since crt computer monitors dont tend to be extremely bright (atleast mine wasnt)

>>2792373
>It has its own menu too for changing color contrast sharpness etc.
ruh roh

>>2792348
>>2792373
Id offer pictures but im currently at work so i wouldnt be able to produce any for another 4 hours atleast

>>2792379
Not much you can do there try finding a straight transcoder. With no extras, no resolution settings, or picture adjustments.

I couldnt but if you can feel free to share.

>>2792383
Hmm well i stand corrected apparently startech makes one for about $70 depending where u shop.

i got the monoprice one for $40 as a price comparison.

Also atloona sells one for $300 if u really wanna spend money.

>>2792383
>>2792392
Would anyone with a sizable amount of electronics knowledge know how difficult/expensive it would be to throw together a transcoder by hand? Looking up schematics for colorspace changers and the like just make my head spin.

>>2792348
>>2792383
>>2792392
Audio Authority, Key Digital, Crescendo all make (/made) great straightforward transcoders. Gefen probably did too, being somewhat familiar with the rest of their product line.

I have a Crescendo myself, too bad he's no longer in business. The others are larger manufacturers.

>>2792398
Haha i can barely follow schematics let alone make my own. Sorry i cant be of more assistance.

>>2792398
The guy who made the Crescendo transcoders used the spec from avsforum from maybe 10 years ago. I remember lurking in the threads.

>>2792401
Every time i try and look up component to vga they always flood the damn search with the opposite. Apparently its very uncommon to go from Ypbpr to VGA

>>2792000
>>2791989
Appears there's another 20 inch multi-format RGB monitor out there that Sony made called the GVM-2000. Similar specs to the 2020.

>>2792405
All those manufacturers made models going in either direction; it's just that using VGA devices on an HDTV is a far more popular application than the reverse.

>>2792412

>>2792414
Yeah i actually found the audio authority one its the 9A65 and its actually something Ive been looking for and may make my setup much cleaner because it has a Component Passthrough as well.

Thanks for the tip!!

>>2792421
Sure thing m80, there are times I wish I had one myself.

>>2792415
the latest tweet from the author of the article in that pic:

https://twitter.com/jfgantz/status/333678212980822018

>>2792402
It's cool;
This is the schematic that I keep coming back to, and while it doesn't look TOO terrible of a project to undertake, I'm just wondering if it would be a appropriate for my needs.
To reiterate, Component to RGB conversion for 480p and higher sources. 240p/480i compatibility would be a bonus as well.
Namely for Gamecube/Wii and PS2/PS3 usage on the Megaview and other PC monitors.

>>2792432
Figures they discontinue the 9a65 and its sucessor has all that scaling and brightness bullshit added resolution choices etc.

The 9a65 is a straight transcoder no extra stuff.

>>2792524
Nevermind neither will work(exactly how i want) because stupid me forgot that pc monitor resolutions dont match tv resolutions. Unless would a monitor output lets say 720p if it was fed that resolution thru vga?? Or would i end up with a black screen?? Because the closest computer monitor res is wxga or 1280×768.

Hence im asking is the scaler neccessary for proper operation?

>>2792538
PC CRT can handle anything that's between its min and max horizontal and vertical scan rates

unless it's a total bitch

>>2792546
Okay good to know. Then even the scaler model would work it has a native option that bypasses the scaler and just outputs the direct resolution. Atleast thats what im getting from reading it.

>>2792554
Although i dont own a widescreen CRT display so id still need one of those haha monitor or tv something that is 16:9 im possibly picking up a d24e1wu which would negate the need for the scaler unless of course i also get that mitsubishi xc as well then id need the converter so many "ifs" its driving me crazy

>>2792538
720p will work as long as it's capable of 44.77 khz scan rates.

>>2792559
>Although i dont own a widescreen CRT display so id still need one of those haha monitor or tv something that is 16:9
Letterboxing
Not a perfect solution, but it works. Might be able to get it correct with Catalyst Control Center if I felt like messing around with it for a while, but the aspect ration on this is squashed horizontally a bit. In order to get circles to be circular and squares square, I'd need to max out the horizontal stretching, which would leave stuff off the sides of the screen and cause odd reflections.

>>2792582
Letterboxing IS the perfect solution.

I've never understood why people hate letterboxing so much. I mean, yeah, it was bad on 4:3 screens when displaying movies because it meant less detail, but if you can still see the details it's perfectly fine and just adds to vertical real estate.

>>2792582
Id be plugging a console directly to the monitor unless the monitor or system have an option for letterboxing which i dont think either do id be SOL.

>>2792640
Im not against letterboxing but>>2792640 So i cant.

>>2792643
Almost ALL PC CRT's can be made to letterbox. Especially likely if yours is new enough to have an OSD (usually 1995 and up have them, some earlier ones did too).

>>2792646
Fuck that 2nd quote was meant to be>>2792643

>>2792647
Ive been through all the menus in the OSD and not a one mentions letterboxing. I could forcibly shape it via horizontal and vertical size.

but I dont think thats what you mean.

>>2792651
What monitor is this, again?

Even if it doesn't have one immediately visible under a 'size' menu or button, you can probably get it in the service menu under something like 'RASTER V' or RASTER SIZE.

>>2792640
>Letterboxing IS the perfect solution.
>I've never understood why people hate letterboxing so much
I'm perfectly fine with letter boxing, the reason I said it's not a perfect solution (in the case I'm showing specifically) is because I can only squash the image so much and stretch it so far with the OSD on my monitor; You'd probably have a proper enough image for movies, but the geometry in this specific case is not correct: Tall ovals and the like.
Rather than the proper 16:9 you would want, I'm probably getting something closer to maybe 14:9.

>>2792651
>I could forcibly shape it via horizontal and vertical size.

That's how you're supposed to do it.

/g/tard here, trying to work out what's up with this ~2002 cinema display.
From what I read it's the flyback, but at the same time weren't capacitors from this era utter dogshit?
I'll turn it on, it warms up, then a loud crack with white bursts on the screen with a fraction of a second of the picture then nothing.
Just curious.

>>2792692
The video doesn't do it justice, I feel like it's gonna explode.
It's noting like my other CRT's.

Where do you guys get your cables? It seems like everywhere online are garbage ones that make your games bleed like a sonic the hedgehog creepypasta

>>2792692
I have an eMac from around the same era with ded capacitors on the motherboard. It's quite obvious from a visual inspection if it has true capacitor plague.

>>2792675
Ahh okay but how do i know its exactly 16:9 or do i just hope for the best?

>>2792702
But I'm a clumsy shitter who'll explode his fingers if I open it...

>>2792675
I always assumed changing those sizes just squished and distorted the picture, it doesnt actually change the amount of lines produced on screen, or does it?

>>2792720
CRTs aren't so bad, just unplug it, let it sit overnight, and don't grab the flyback wires
even that is overkill if it's got a bleeder resistor, which I believe Apple products do have

A government surplus site, it auctioning off a lot of 405 crt monitors all range of makes and sizes apparently they all work. but holy hell it weighs in at over 18k lbs. of monitors.

>>2792415

Good lore.

>>2792692

Dude what kind of weird CRT sex dungeon are you in, sir?

>>2792721
That's the point. You set the resolution on your source, then you shape it correctly on the CRT.

>>2792718
I set the monitor to a 4:3 resolution, fullscreen a 16:9 image, then put tape on the bezel that I match when I'm setting it for 16:9

>>2792764
i think i understand id have to try it out to visualize it better.

>>2792753
A macfag CRT dungeon.

>>2792753
I like iMac G3's.

>>2792769
If you set a source to have fewer lines than enough to fill the screen, they will appear further apart in an attempt to fill it. So a 1920x1080 resolution would appear stretched vertically because the 1080 lines would be distanced from each other in an attempt to fill the screen. So you set vertical size to move the lines closer together so that a pixel would appear square instead of like a tall rectangle.

>>2792786
To say it another way, you want to make your screen's geometry correct at 16:9, so that the circle appears like a circle and not an oval on your CRT at a 16:9 resolution like 1080p.

http://handforgedvideo.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/1920x1080p24_Geometry_Main.png

That's a 1080p test pattern. Full screen that at 1920x1080 and set v.size and h.size so that the circles are circular and the squares are squares and not rectangles. Then you will have a proper 16:9 letterbox.
Might be a good idea to make little marks with a marker or something so that you can quickly go back to that letterboxing after switching back to 4:3 content.

>>2792786
>>2792789
but muh nonsquare pixels

>>2792789
>1080p24
>still image
Okay then.

Alternatively, I came upon this while trying to see how far off my photo above was from 16:9.
http://www.softpedia.com/get/Tweak/Video-Tweak/NEC-Test-Pattern-Generator.shtml

I believe I've seen something from Nokia? that does the same type of stuff, but it gives you a number of patterns to use.

>>2792582
>>2792640
>>2792643
>>2792646
>>2792647
>>2792651
>letterboxing
Toshiba refers to this as compression instead of letterboxing (which on their 4:3 TVs involves digital downscaling and therefore the introduction of latency and a loss of overall resolution).

>>2792697
What kind of cables are you looking for, specifically?

>>2792725
>just unplug it, let it sit overnight
One step I'd insert between these two is to push the power button on while unplugged to discharge certain capacitors, for that tiny extra bit of precaution.

>>2792789
>>2792764
>I set the monitor to a 4:3 resolution, fullscreen a 16:9 image, then put tape on the bezel that I match when I'm setting it for 16:9
This is great for overall dimensions, but you still have to make sure your circles and squares are uniform wherever they are on the screen (which isn't necessarily fixed automatically in this process). Good monitor OSDs have the geometry controls to adjust this.

>>2792806
I do not know what you mean by '1080p24'.
I was only suggesting a way to ensure he actually had 16:9 and not 16:11 or something that would give non-square pixels.

>>2792842
The filename refers to a framerate as if it matters for a static image.

>>2792847
I simply linked to a file someone else made, and which works well for setting a 16:9 ratio. He could well have extracted the image from a video signal, or 24 could mean that the image is in 24-bit color.

>>2792842
It wasn't directed towards you so much as the person who named the file.
1920x1080p24
A resolution of 1920x1080 displayed progressively with 24 frames per second.
It's a still image, and as such framerate has absolutely nothing to do with it and is just silly to have tacked on.

>>2792826
>What kind of cables are you looking for, specifically?

S-video for Sega Saturn and SNES

>>2792849
>24 could mean that the image is in 24-bit color
Nah, it's standard to refer to framerate >>2792849
immediately following p, as in 1080p60

>>2792853
I bought my SNES S-video cable shortly after I received my childhood SNES and still have it, but I've bought Monster cables since then for my Nintendo consoles. Got them at retail but you can still find them marked up on ebay.

I imported official S-video cables for my Saturns on ebay 15 years ago.

>>2792853
most snes s-video cables are pretty shit, chroma bleeds over because of thin cables and/or bad shielding.
Make sure you get thick cables, or replace the video cable with a better one. Or even mod the console with an Ushiden socket. There's info in the S-video pasta in OP

>>2792864
>Ushiden
interesting, a modern European corruption of the real name

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ushiden
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hosiden

>>2792864
>most snes s-video cables are pretty shit

Yes unfortunately

My mom has been renovating her basement so I'll check this weekend to see if any more of my stuff is still packed up there. I'm 90% sure I have a Saturn video cable which would mean I just need the AC adapter to play it

Alrighty, tomorow I get to pick the BVM1410p. Kinda hyped.

>>2792879
ha, never knew that.

>>2792893

hope you didn't hella overpay like me

>>2792926
50€
a bit high IMO but it's the only monitor that popped near me and it's a BVM.
In any case I'm pretty sure I can find someone if I ever get rid of it.

>>2792857
>monster

You poor, rich bastard. You actually think those are worth the money, don't you?

Personally I was fine with a cheap gamestop 'octopus' style cable for S-video meant to be connectable to multiple systems. I've got RGB now though so it doesn't matter much anymore. Not noticed a huge quality difference in terms of bleed from the gamestop one.

What would be the ideal set up for PS1 be for someone in the US? scart to vga adapter?

What's the max I should pay for a PVM-20M2MDU