/vr/ - Retro Games

They also had stuff like Aztecs and Koreans as Conquerors or cultures in the Forgotten that aren't actually forgotten.
Portugal is historically linked to Africa.

and a sale.

Sorry to be a begfag, but can somebody buy me The Forgotten DLC?

>>2779008
>Koreans as Conquerors

Please look up

>Gwanggaeto the Great
He was a powerful conqueror and emperor.

>Battle of Salsu
Defeated 300,000 enemies from China.

>First Goguryeo-Tang War
Tang China was like the Rome of the East in its prime. Emperor Taizong was like the Napoleon of Asia. His only defeat came at the hands of Korea.

>Goryeo-Khitan War
The Khitans were a powerful empire back then. They got crippled by this war and never recovered, allowing the Jurchens and later Mongols to come to power.

>Admiral Yi
Watch "Admiral Yi Extra Credits"

Note: I'm not saying that Korea is the greatest or has the best military history. Far from it. Just providing some examples of Korean military feats in case you think Korea has none.

>>2779192
The point wasn't that Korea didn't have military victories, they just didn't conquer that much.

Tried playing on Voobly today. Got my shit pushed in on the beginner's lobby. I think I'll stick to playing with my friends on HD.

I'm on the second mission for the Berbers and the quality feels 1000x better than the Forgotten campaigns. The voice acting adds so much comfy.

I'm still on Windows XP, and I'd be interested in getting the expansion. However, the game as it currently stands, I'm only able to play it if I use an older deprecated version of the game that still supports it, as the newer versions were designed with features not supported on my system (probably moved away from supporting DX9).

If anyone who's reading this has purchased the expansion, can you check for me if you can use it with the last compatible Windows XP version? To do so, just go into your Steam Library, right click the game, select Properties, go over to the Betas tab, and from the drop down box inside, select last-win-xp-version.

It will then proceed to download a 400-600ish MB update. If it doesn't work, you can go back to your own version by going through the same aforementioned process, but selecting NONE instead.

I'm glad I finally got this + expansions on steam with the sale, I've been stuck with the pirate version for months.

>>2779465
Just tried it and worked just fine, but it asked me to re-enter my player name though no other abnormalities were spotted. Why are you still on XP?

Why would I be excited about Microsoft milking the ever-loving shit out of a decade-old game?

If anything I'd love a remake of one. Two was perfect before they started adding in all this unnecessary crap.

>>2779912
>Conquerors Expansion
>Bad

>>2779921

That's not what I said _at all_. Please work on your reading comprehension.

It was fine before Forgotten Empires et al.

Has anyone successfully installed AOE II under WINE?

>>2779906

Aw shit, man. Thanks. I'm gonna give it a purchase, then.

Haven't upgraded for a myriad of reasons. Some may call them excuses, but I don't really wanna delve into those as usually every conversation I have regarding this situation with strangers rarely ends well.

I was actually in the middle of at least prepping my HDD for Windows 7. But it didn't turn out as I expected. Not like anything wrong happened. I just became too impatient waiting for my HDD to defrag so I could make a new partition with enough space.

I'll eventually upgrade. I've been meaning to for a while. But it's still something I have pending.

>>2779906

... nope. It doesn't work. You probably saw just the original and The Forgotten. But not the African Kingdoms. So now it's back to degragging again. Oh well. I'll probably have it ready by tomorrow.

>>2780285
My test was a random map, attacked the nearest guy with my scout cavalry for a bit, all expansions installed.
Win 7 is nice enough, it's what I upgraded from XP to. No regrets.

>check out the /v/ thread for this
>200+ posts from the usual suspects, not a single one about the game
Alright.

I'd start some discussion but the new expansion just refuses to work for me. Game freezes upon starting a game or opening the map editor and then I get an installation window and then error about Steam servers being too busy or something. Anyone having the same problem?

>>2780776
link?

They really outta nerf that Malian infantry bonus i feel, archer units do literally nothing to them.

>>2779962
I have a fucking CD of it somewhere, I should try. WineHQ says Gold status for most versions including Steam, so it should be good.

Also, my god, AoE2 was released in 99? I was sure this thread was yet another post-99 game kids were trying to pass off as retro. Fuck, I'm old.

>>2779465

Jesus Christ, upgrade to Windows 7, 8, even fucking Linux.

>>2779912

>Microsoft milking

Forgotten empires was made for the dev team from Voobly. There were going to make another expansion anyways. It was just Microsoft actually paid them to do it. Which is fine for me because IF YOU KNEW how much shit Cysion has done to keep this game alive...

>>2780573

I just wanted to verify that the new civs were actually usable with that compatibility patch. And by new, I meant the ones from the African Kingdoms, since that patch already allowed you to use the Forgotten Empires civs.

But nevermind now. I'm currently posting from a new Windows 7 partition I installed just for this purpose while having the game running on the background. I'm still not completely adapated to Windows 7, but I'll manage.

>>2779465
Upgrade to Win 7 or Debian

Is it just me or is it impossible to search for idle villagers now? I have a list telling there are idle villagers, but it won't find them for me. I have to play Where's Waldo to get them to do shit now. Fucking annoying.

>>2781347
>>2781310

I do believe it was implied further down the thread that I DID install Windows 7.

>>2781345
Sorry man, the way you originally worded it I thought you were asking if the game ran at all, or if it CTDed or whatever.

>>2779003

Wait wait wait.

This is a 1999 game. And they're coming out with a new expansion for it in 2015? Are they serious?

>>2781440
>This is a 1999 game. And they're coming out with a new expansion for it in 2015?
Microsoft hasn't made any good games this millennium, so they may as well make expansions for the successful games from before then.

>>2781257
this desu senpai

Are the campaigns actually good?

FE campaigns were dogshit, typical AoE community trash where the designer was more focused on visuals, gimmicks, and flowery bullshit instead of an interesting strategic map

>>2779003

>We wuz kings and shit

>>2779003

>Berberes
Horses are cheaper and Camels

>Ethiopans
Archers 2fast2quick arrows and Pikes

>Malians
Infantry and Horses with more attack

>Portuguese
Ships and Gunpowder, also dat -15% gold for units

>>2779446
I'm glad. The Forgotten campaigns were a convoluted mess.

How do I update this?

>>2781469

yes they campaigns are way better. Of course with Microsoft behind them they could get actual VA rather than fans doing the voices.

Anyways the point of campaigns on AOE2 has always been a method to learn to play the game. The strong point is always the multiplayer.

>>2779106
If you don't want to pay for it why not just pirate it instead of leeching money from another anon? There should be cracks that work with the Steam multiplayer

>>2782464

that list is so stupid my eyes are bleeding

>>2782464
>Sarracens
>Useless
It's like you don't even beat the shit out of your markets, then spam mamelucks that kill EVERYTHING.

Also the mayans have one of the best bonuses on the whole game, 20% of extra resources that can be used to spam top tier archery and infantry.

Also Plummed archers are better than Longbow

Thank fuck for actual discussion here, every AoE thread on /v/ at the moment is /pol/ bait

>>2781440
You can thank the Forgotten Empires devs for it.

>http://www.forgottenempires.net/age-of-empires-ii-the-forgotten-post-mortem

>>2779008
>cultures in the Forgotten that aren't actually forgotten

That's because it was a fan mod made official that happened to include major powers Ensemble 'forgot', or in other words just didn't add.

>>2779912
Guess what? You can choose not to play with the expansions.

>>2782464
This tier list is all over the fucking place. Vikings are excellent on water, and Saracens are top tier. He's definitely right about the Turks at least, and the rest of the list is just full of memes.

>>2781519
Literally the only thread this would ever be applicable in.

>>2779912
>wanting a remake with shit new graphics, no offline playability, cash stores, le epic "competitive" grinding/collection and casualized mechanics
>wanting a new AoE Online
I'd rather not. I'm glad this game is still supported in its original incarnation, and if anything I wish more companies followed suit supporting and updating older popular games instead of churning out shitty remakes and "spiritual successors".

>>2783805

>try to make thread about the expansion on /v/
>every single response is "HOL UP" or "WE WUZ"
>try to make AoC thread on /v/
>0 replies

It's already bad enough that the fucking game doesn't even work, can't even get any opinions anywhere

>>2783805

>Vikings are excellent on water

too bad 90% of the maps people play are terrain. Which make pointless picking Vikings, because they suck ass.

And people who think turks are useless is because they dont know how to make a 25min imperial rush, which is almost imposible to stop.

>>2785281
Well the Vikings do get a buff against calvary at least and the tech for it got cheaper in 4.4, so there's something for land at least. Obviously not the best but still.

Turks are good in Imperial Age, the other thing is getting there in the first place

>>2785281
Vikings are useless on land is a meme. I main Vikings and I find them very good in every setting. Their great economy makes them a decent Knight Rush candidate, and their full Archery Range, alright Siege Workshop and good infantry don't leave them at a loss of options later on. Their only major drawback on land I can think of is the lack of Halberdiers, and of course they're the best slinging civilization out there, too. They're pretty great in my book. Yeah Berserkers are awful but Huns are a top-tier civ and Tarkans are even worse.

>>2785281
> 25min imperial rush

99% of competitive games end up with heavy fights in the feudal age bruh, good luck trying to tech through without getting smashed.

>>2779003
Portuguese were my favorite civilization in AoE 3 even though they sucked total dick and playing them made me super salty.

I was going to say that I am glad that Portugese are back in AoE 2 but now that I think about it I probably shouldn't bother. They seem to be as much of a useless afterthought civ as before.

Also, Portuguese and the Spanish have like 90% Moorish / Berber ancestry so it's natural for them to be Africans.

>>2786028
This. My ancestors are 100th generation spanish only and that means I am a proud African.

>>2785994

>99% of competitive games

you know theres other maps than arabia right? In black forest and green arabia is pretty easy to get at least to castle and the Jannizary has no counters at this point. Water maps too, where most of the fights in land are delayed.

>>2785732

>Huns
>Top tier

Huns are trash, and the only way to play them is on arabia. And if you dont win in the first 20min you are dead.

Also the problem with vikings is their shitty tech tree

>No palas
>No siege onagers
>No siege cannons
>No handcannon
>No Halberdiers
>No camels
>No Heavy CA

Vikings are good as slingers or water maps. But in 1vs1 they are probably the weakest civ in the game.

>>2786543
>Huns are trash,
Spirit of the Law disagrees.

The majority of AoE2 players disagree, even the pro ones.

You are wrong.

>>2786543
>implying anyone ever plays on black forest

>>2786564

Pros only play arabia, thats why they pick Huns. Because YOU ARE SUPPOSED to rush in feudal in Arabia. But guess what? theres like other 50 maps on AOE2 besides arabia. And 45 of them you cant just rush in Feudal. Thats mean a civ thats its a one trick pony is better because "MUH PROS upload epic feudal battles on youtube" is better? Even the most decent player nowadays can easily manage to get to Castle age in any regular map, and Huns lose all the advantage after the min 20-25min.

>>2786579
>But guess what? theres like other 50 maps on AOE2 besides arabia
Which you can play...with bots, since no one else is gonna play them, [passive aggressive smiley face].

I love them Berbers!

>Age of kings + Conquerors
Saracens
>The Forgotten
Indians
>The African kingdoms
Berbers

No wonder why my buddies call me 'Camel fucker'
And about that camels no longer being classified as ships
Lynch me if you want, but I somewhat disagree with this modification

Camels are defenders and attackers; hell even maybe harassers, but they are NOT base stormers; that's the Heavy cavalry role, not the Camelry
Now I can send a horde of mamelukes or imperial camels to destroy castles, then that was not supposed to happen, and even if you did, there would be lots of dead camels.

Notice the Byzantine bonuses, the only civ that beats the shit outta of the Saracens in every possible way
Look at their building HP bonus; but lack of masonry and architecture

This is a double edged bonus; both masonry and architecture gives HP bonus AND armor, meaning your castles will actually resist a horde of Paladins attacking your castle
I have sent a massive horde of frankish Paladins to level Byzantine castles, they went down faster than regular castle

Now, Saracens have lacking heavy cavalry, Saracens lack of that "Strong punch" (Champion and Siege Rams aside), mamelukes will melt appart if they attack a castle; hussars are not strong enough to do damage and champions will be most likely get shredded to pieces by Cataphracts and Hand Cannoners
The only way a Saracen can storm a base is with massive siege, Trebuchets, Bombard cannons and Siege rams; notice how this HP bonus makes byzantine castles weaker against heavy cavalry/champions BUT also makes them more resiliant to siege (You need more trebs to take down a Byz castle), and siege is the only way to a Saracen can storm a base.

As a professional camelfucker, this shouldn't be like this, camels should get destroyed by buildings, at risk of sounded like a bitter, jaded oldfag, I'm really against this change... even if this benefits my gameplay, like a lot.

/rant

So does this game even count as retro anymore since it's receiving updates and even new expansions now?

>>2787058
Is still retro.

>>2785732
Berserks got a buff in Forgotten though, with Chieftans they don't even need halbs and the tech just got cheaper.

>implying anyone plays with the modern expansions though

>>2786987
ZeroEmpires tested the change. They're still dying to tower/castle/TC defenses quite quickly, just not at an insane rate with those buffed by Heated Shot.

>>2787058
Doom threads are allowed and they make and discuss modern OC all the time for modern source ports.

>>2786582
>no one else
Not the guy you were talking with, but I refuse to play boring maps like arabia.

>>2786727
Typical Spanish/Portuguese/Italian girl after getting enriched.

Do the Aztecs in Forgotten Empires/African Kingdoms still retain the hidden farming bonus they had in AoC?

>>2787636
Never checked out that

But you can do a eagle scout rush in feudal

>>2787636
They had one? How?

>>2787670
They use the corpses of their countless infant sacrifices to the sun god as fertilizers.

>>2788124
Typical mexicans.

>>2787670
>http://www.cysion.be/aocbox/?p=904
>Above that, there’s a farm bug, which makes Aztec farmers run around less on their farms, further increasing their gathering rate. In the end this means Aztec farmers work somewhere between 11% and 15% faster (depending on the techs researched and the position of the farm).

>>2781316

>Forgotten empires was made for the dev team from Voobly. There were going to make another expansion anyways. It was just Microsoft actually paid them to do it. Which is fine for me because IF YOU KNEW how much shit Cysion has done to keep this game alive...

All of that is completely irrelevant. Forgotten Empires is poorly made and completely unnecessary. This new expansion will be more of the same.

>>2783805

>Guess what? You can choose not to play with the expansions.

And? What the fuck was your point? Besides being a sour-grapes asshole, that is.

>>2783987

Don't kid yourself, guy: they aren't doing this out of the goodness of their own heart. Sooner or later, Microsoft is going to bend the entire player base over and spread the cheeks wide.

>>2788583

we all know Forgotten was poorly made because it was done in the old engine, it was delayed multiple times and it was a fan expansion for free.

>"Thats means I cant whine about free things?"

you can, but you look dumb doing it. Only 4chan has this bad habit.

>>2787058

The 99 is still far more popular than the Steam version so yes.

>>2788615

>"you can, but you look dumb doing it. Only 4chan has this bad habit."

"I did this for free" is not an excuse to do a shit job at something. Do it right, or don't do it at all.

So why exactly do one of the new "we wuz kings" civs have a female unique unit that fights?

>>2789350
WE WUZ KINGS!!!

>>2779192
>Extra Credits"
SJW kekold detected. Bet you're a feminist-ally mangina.

Am I the only one who thinks the game is starting to feel kind of diluted with the civ choices? The Malians are fine since their heyday was in the middle ages, but the Portuguese and Berbers feel kind of unnecessary with the Spanish and Saracens already in the game. (And they could have at least called the Berbers "Moors" or something.) Age of Empires II never sliced as thinly as the Civ series or Paradox games came to representing cultures.

>>2789574
*when it came to representing cultures.

So as to not make a useless double post, does anyone have any good screenshots of the new content yet?

>>2779192
>actually watching extra credits

>>2789483
>>2789595
go back to misogyny chan you scumbags

>>2789610

>misogyny

Opinion automatically discarded.

Anyone else getting an annoying stuttering input lag on patch 4.4 only? It's really distracting and makes the game less playable.

>>2789764
Yes me too.

>>2789350
Gbetos were a real thing, though they weren't actually Malian.

>>2789861
nerd, go get that from one of those fancy books.

>>2789863
you*

Every time I read these threads, I remember how much fun I've had with AoEII, but every time I boot the game I remember that I can't even beat bots on normal difficulty (get castle age rushed while I'm barely researching feudal age)

I'd step up but honestly even simply sucking at AoEII is already a stressful task for me, I can't imagine doing anything more

Honestly, how do I get good enough at this game to be able to consider doing strategies?

>>2786579

Arabia is like the de_dust2 of Age of Empires

Also Black Forest is better map because I like trees

>>2790184

the first step is learning to economy. Learning battle tactics comes only you know how to boom your economy

>>2790332
Never noticed that about the farms, that's pretty neat.

>>2790184
Watch videos

Watch pro matches (ZeroEmpires, Ressonance, BBQTurksman, Spirit of the Law, TheViper)

Play online, start from the bottom and go up to the higher ELO

Although I don't recommend it, play games with 1500 maximum ELO, map as black forest

Learn the tactics of your favorite civ, know the meta (but dont become a metafag, it's cancer)

Play on harder, open maps, such as Arabia

Play on higher ELO lobbies when you start to git gud

Master other civs

Continue on fighting
Good luck

>>2790409
Any no-brainer noob friendly civs?
Otherwise, are Teutons bad for beginners?

>>2790413
The Goths are probably your best bet, although be wary, you can get spoiled easily with them.

>>2790413
As far as bonuses go? For absolute beginners there's Celts, the wood gather bonus is nice and they're good on more closed-in maps too, though lack a 'good' tech tree. Britons are also a nice one, teaching you the importance of archers and having a fair tech tree.

Teutons I don't think are exactly a 'beginner' civ, there are some incomplete advancement lines there and there but they're a nice well-rounded civ though. Just use the Teutonic Knights sparingly, as much as they're cool they are slow as shit and people will kite them with cavalry archers.

The Byzantines also offer an excellent tech tree and have cheap trash units.

Stuff like Goths, Huns, and the Mesoamerican civs are not bad at all, but they all lack one notable component each that might make it harder to play other civs. Goths are primarily aggressive and have no walls, Huns don't need housing and so might encourage bad habits outside of playing them, and Aztecs/Mayans lack calvary in favor for Eagle Warriors.

Then there's The Forgotten/African Kingdoms civs that not many will play, as well as the changes that they make in regards to balance (Eagle Scouts, Fire Galleys, Demo Rafts, Siege Towers, etc). Playing AoC more is probably more ideal especially with the legacy playerbase.

Just flick through them and find one to settle on, like what the other anon said watch pro matches, see how people utilize their civ bonuses

>>2790413
Britons
Celts
Teutons (tho I don't consider them bad)
Huns
Goths

>>2790554
This. THe best starting civ are the Saracens. Islam has all the answers.

>>2791139
Allah Akbar.

>>2791153
Makes me wonder if anybody's ever tried picking them and then winning with only petards.

>>2791185
Osama did

>>2789350
aaayyyy hol up we kangz where real progressive unlike those evil muthafukkin whites

>>2791209
um..you are like triggering all the black posters in this thread

>>2782464
>Vikings
>Useless
The fuck?

WE

WUZ

C-C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER

>>2779962
I tried it like a month ago. It installed fine and even ran all the way up to the menu but it asks for a disc no matter what I do. Might be because I'm using a modified disc image though but even with a no-cd crack it just stops at the same point.

>>2791185
I once did, kind of

In a team game, in a flank vs flank situation, I got the economical upper hand and I sent a few CAs to harass his economy, in the meanwhile, he have built a castle next to his farms and woodline

I kept harassing his gold, stone and hit-n-running his farmers, when he actually tried to fight back my harassing force, I sent a horde of suicidal light cavalries to kill all farmers and wood cutters

Light cavalries died, but took like 12 vills, with my last CAs lured away his attention (and knights) away from his town, in the meanwhile, I sent a random lonely ram, being followed with 15 petards

Boom went the castle
Boom went the TC
A massive horde of camels and mamelukes rushed in
Before they could Jihad anything, he resigned

Does that count as 'Petard victory'?

>>2779962
At this point the original AoE is child's play under Wine.

Nearly anything under Retro is usable under Wine, with the worst stuff ever happening being related to running in fullscreen.

>>2791185
Has anyone actually ever used petards?

>>2790332
this is neat, got anymore like it
>2 villagers is only recommended for goths, if your...

IF MY WHAT

>>2792425

http://www.cysion.be/aocbox/?cat=3

there is. FYI this is the personal page of the leader of the FE-African kingdoms expansions

>>2792424
Me
>Not using petards to make a hole in a wall
>Not sending hordes of CAs/Light cavalry/Knights when the enemy though he was 'safe'

>>2792441
thanks anon