/vr/ - Retro Games

>>2767682
>baiting this hard
please op try harder
even though I agree

this thread has potential

Daily reminder that we will NEVER EVER have a decent Castlevania thread unless it's a music thread.

Nobody cares about your opinions and your tier lists.

>>2767682
Your mom is better tbh

>>2767687

This, OP's mother has the juiciest pussy although it's old

>>2767684
Does it still count as baiting if I believe in what I'm saying

>>2767691

Not him but I'd say anything starting with "[opinion] is better than [opinion]" can be considered bait, yeah.
Basically you want shitposting, not discussion.

>>2767693
this guy basically pinned the point
If you wanted to try and start legitimate discussion it should have been
"Bloodlines is better in my opinion because x,y,z and Castlevania IV turns me off because of xyz points but also abc points.

>>2767693
Nah I really don't I just wanted to spark something that people (for some reason) REALLY care about. Bloodlines felt a lot more punchy, and the spear is one of my favorite weapons in videogames ever. That thing is just perfect.

>>2767696

but even if he presented "arguments", it'd be still subjective opinions that nobody gives 2 shits about.
Some people don't even like the Classic games and only play the SOTN-likes.
Some people only like the games they physically own.
Some people only like the games they grew up with.
Some people only like the less popular games to be unique.

Etc.

Too many different positions coming from too many different backgrounds and logic. No point discussing shit when everything is so subjective.

What's more, OP's opinions probably aren't even his own, most people on CV threads parrot stuff they heard before, either on CV threads, youtubers, etc.

I haven't seen good castlevania discussion in ages, it's all the same hyperbolic "my favorite game a best, your favorite game a shit" ad nauseam.

>>2767697

Okay, it felt "punchy" (?) and you liked the Spear.

You want a prize or something? I still don't care about your opinion.

Make a blog if you want to tell the world what things you like.

>>2767707
They said I was shitposting, and asked for reasons why I liked it. I gave them a couple reasons and now shitposters are telling me my reasons don't matter, Jesus fuck I don't know how to 4chan anymore why do people like this place I wanna go home

>>2767709

>starts a blatant shitposting thread with "is better" to bait as much as possible
>b-but I wasn't shitposting, I was just posting a game I like

Make a blog, we don't care about your tastes.

Do you have any cool information to share with us about Bloodlines? No? Then fuck off.

>>2767714
Calm down.

>>2767716

>uh-oh, they figured I was shitposting, better play it chill

yeah, fuck off, man.

>>2767685
I'm sorry.

But Rondo is better than both

>>2767729

But Castlevania 1 is better than Rondo, IV and Bloodlines.

>>2767697
>felt a lot more punchy

this is why /vr/ is such a shitty place.

>>2767729
I just finished Rondo today (with both characters), I think it's my favorite Castlevania game. I have everything in the classic set of games done but Bloodlines and Chronicles, hoping to finish both of those by Halloween.

Why did they nerf the stopwatch so much, though?

ITT what we'd like to see in a new castlevania since the series is a lifeless corpse now that is occasionally hung up on strings like a puppet and forced to dance

>metroidvania style of full, quick control
>4 playable characters from the start
>no RPG level or equipment system
>levels are large labyrinths like the areas from the metroidvania games
>each level has two exits/bosses
>branching level tree (like darius) gives you a different route to play through every time
>every subweapon
>bonus points for it being the war of 1999 mentioned in the sorrow games and the characters being Julius Belmont, Yolo belnades, Alucard and maybe Eric Lecarde

>>2767769

Have you played SOTN with Richter? It's not really that fun exploring the castle if there's no upgrades or equipment to get, you're just exploring lots of rooms and killing enemies aimlessly and there's little sense of satisfaction in doing so.

I think a straightforward level design is preferable, although I wouldn't mind multiple exits and paths at all.

>>2767769
wasn't there a classicvania on the wii? what happened to that?

>>2767781

The Adventure ReBirth, it was an expanded remake of the first GB Castlevania. Pretty good.

I don't see why people like IV. It's slow, dull, boring, has slowdown issues, only one or two good songs, it was piss easy, the bosses are uninspired, there are no branching paths, only one playable character, and there are no new subweapons. It just seems like a bad imitation of Castlevania.

>>2767793

Bravo, you condensed all of the memes and shitposting about IV in one single post. You just forgot to mention The Angry Video Cuck likes it to seal the deal.
But you actually did a good effort, 7/10.

>>2767802
Calling them memes doesn't make them less true.

>>2767806

Let's see then

>slow

Sounds like Castlevania alright, if I wanted to play Sonic or F-Zero, I'd play Sonic or F-Zero.

>dull

opinion

>boring

opinion

>slowdown issues

true, but only during the spinning room which is very short and doesn't really affects the rest of the game.

>only one or two good songs

opinion

>it was piss easy

not more than Bloodlines and Rondo, or about the same. Play the NES games if you want difficulty.

>bosses are uninspired

I personally thought the dancing ghost boss was one of the most original bosses in the entire series. Bloodlines also has a lot of uninspired bosses that are "mash whip to kill", no strategy involved. Castlevania bosses are generally like that though, if you want good boss fights, play something like Alien Soldier, not Castlevania.

>no branching paths

okay but Castlevania 1 didn't either and it was a good game

>only one playable character

Yes, and it was fucking Simon Belmont.

>no subweapons

Egoraptor-tier opinion

>bad imitation of Castlevania

I've read people also say this about Bloodlines. Another worthless, baseless opinion.

>>2767815
>Sounds like Castlevania alright, if I wanted to play Sonic or F-Zero, I'd play Sonic or F-Zero.
Progression can be quite quick in other Castlevania games, but in IV you have to meander through levels at a snails pace.
>true, but only during the spinning room which is very short and doesn't really affects the rest of the game.
No, it occurs whenever you kill an enemy with another enemy on screen.
>not more than New Generation and Rondo, or about the same. Play the NES games if you want difficulty.
Bloodlines and Rondo are actually much harder, not as hard as III, but still much, much harder than the cakewalk of IV.
>okay but Castlevania 1 didn't either and it was a good game
But it was an improvement made in III that IV didn't utilise, it took a backwards step for the series.
>Yes, and it was fucking Simon Belmont.
Why does it matter what they named the character? They only have one, and he's just a whip user. III got it right, but IV took another backwards step.
>Egoraptor-tier opinion
What?
>I've read people also say this about Bloodlines. Another worthless, baseless opinion.
Because they're Nintenyearolds who only play Castlevania games if they're on Nintendo systems.

Bloodlines apologists are the absolute worst.

IV apologists are the absolute worst.

>>2767837

>Progression can be quite quick in other Castlevania games, but in IV you have to meander through levels at a snails pace.

No, Castlevania was never about going fast, the characters walk, don't run.
Maybe you're getting the illusion IV is slower because Simon's sprite is bigger than in other games?

>No, it occurs whenever you kill an enemy with another enemy on screen.

Pretty sure this isn't true. Maybe it gets a little bit of slowdown if there's more than 4 enemies on screen or something, but it's still pretty much not noticeable. I only remember actual noticeable slowdown on the spinning room and on the skull-tongue boss, the rest of the game is fine.

No, it occurs whenever you kill an enemy with another enemy on screen.

>But it was an improvement made in III that IV didn't utilise, it took a backwards step for the series.

I dunno, I don't think branching paths is an instant improvement. Bloodlines doesn't, it onlyhas 6 levels, and it's still a pretty stellar game.
IV has 12 levels, more than all the Rondo levels.

>Why does it matter what they named the character?

I see you're a big Castlevania fan yourself.

>What?

What?

>Because they're Nintenyearolds who only play Castlevania games if they're on Nintendo systems.

Figured you were one of them console warriors, not surprised to be honest.

>>2767846
>No, Castlevania was never about going fast, the characters walk, don't run.
That doesn't mean you can't move quickly.
>Maybe you're getting the illusion IV is slower because Simon's sprite is bigger than in other games?
No, it's because he moves slower, the jumps float more, and the levels are poorly designed.
>Pretty sure this isn't true.
Maybe you've only played it on an emulator. On the console the slowdown is terrible.
>I dunno, I don't think branching paths is an instant improvement. Bloodlines doesn't, it onlyhas 6 levels, and it's still a pretty stellar game.
It is an instant improvement, it, like multiple characters, makes replaying the game less repetitive.
>I see you're a big Castlevania fan yourself.
I'm a fan of good games. I'm not a fan of characters, as they're just sprites on a screen, and I'm not a fan of franchises, as that is dogmatic.
>What?
What's an eggraptor?

>>2767850
>That doesn't mean you can't move quickly.

I don't get it, make a video comparing other Castlevania games to IV to see if IV is really as slow as you claim it is, I feel the pace is fine.

>No, it's because he moves slower, the jumps float more

Again I'd appreciate if you posed proof of this things you claim to be true. Make video comparisons because I don't see how IV is slower than the other games. It just seems you want to meme with the blast processing thing.

>levels are poorly designed

In what way? Sounds like a very subjective opinion to me.

>It is an instant improvement

So I guess you dismiss both IV and Bloodlines for not having branching paths. You also must think Castlevania 1 or Chronicles are not worth playing because of this.

>I'm a fan of good games

You're a fan of memes and baseless opinions, friend.

>>2767853

Oh and I played all the CV games on the real hardware, no emulation for me. I'd still think the emulators should have the same slowdowns in the parts I mentioned anyway, unless they were oveclocked or something like that.
I'm still pretty sure the slowdown doesn't happen with just 2 enemies on screen.
But feel free to post video proof.

>>2767853
>I feel the pace is fine.
Because you're a fanboi.
> It just seems you want to meme with the blast processing thing.
What the fuck is blast processing? Of course you jump slower in IV,it's to allow the player to move around in the air.
>In what way?
Tedious,slow, easy.
>So I guess you dismiss both IV and Bloodlines for not having branching paths.
No, it just detracts from the game.
>You also must think Castlevania 1 or Chronicles are not worth playing because of this.
Strawman.
>You're a fan of memes and baseless opinions, friend.
You're a fan of your own nostalgia, not games.

All the main classicvanias are above 8.0 games, this is getting ridiculous tbh, baiters and baited are both retarded.

>>2767858
>Because you're a fanboi.

No, I played all of the Castlevania games and none of them were about going fast. I invited you to prove me wrong by posting some video comparison though, I'm not being a closed fanboy, I just don't think IV is particularly slower than other classicvanias.

>What the fuck is blast processing?

something something snes is slow memes

>Tedious,slow, easy.

Okay, but those are your opinions, what do you want me to do with them? I already told you I don't agree with any of that "boring" "dull" complaints you make.

>No, it just detracts from the game.

why? I like being able to play all levels in the game in one go, having multiple paths is not always a good thing, although I liked it in III and Rondo, yes.

>You're a fan of your own nostalgia, not games.

I like pretty much all Castlevania games. I actually used to argue with IV fanboys a lot some years back when shitting on IV wasn't as popular as it is now, and I used to defend Bloodlines a lot before it got the "underappreciated castlevania gem" status that it achieved now, back when people used to shitpost calling it a "faux castlevania generic action game".

It's funny how I'm now doing the opposite and defending IV, but I guess my love for the series (especially the classic games) is stronger than my disdain for people with shitty opinions.

>>2767865
>about going fast
Again, you're missing the point and strawmanning because you can't address an argument.
>something something snes is slow memes
I know that many Snes games suffered from extreme slowdown, just like IV.
> I like being able to play all levels in the game in one go
Rondo has a level select. Your opinion is retarded, by the way.
>I like pretty much all Castlevania games. I actually used to argue with IV fanboys a lot some years back when shitting on IV wasn't as popular as it is now, and I used to defend Bloodlines a lot before it got the "underappreciated castlevania gem" status that it achieved now, back when people used to shitpost calling it a "faux castlevania generic action game".
How is it an unappreciated gem? It was a pretty popular game, even if it came toward the end of the lifespan of the Mega Drive.
>shitty opinions.
>>>/tumblr/

>>2767872
>Again, you're missing the point and strawmanning because you can't address an argument.

What strawman? What castlevania is about going fast?
I told you, post some video comparison, because your words aren't convincing me. I'm inviting you to prove me wrong, but you keep deflecting it.

>I know that many Snes games suffered from extreme slowdown, just like IV.

Yeah I know you're an anti-Nintendo guy, you already used "Nintenyearolds" as if you were some teenager from /v/, so I never really expected serious discussion with you, but I'm giving you the chance to be serious, so why not take it?

>Rondo has a level select. Your opinion is retarded, by the way.

Rondo having a level select means you can play all the levels in one go? Think a little before typing stuff.

>How is it an unappreciated gem? It was a pretty popular game, even if it came toward the end of the lifespan of the Mega Drive.

You don't know how much the castlevania fandom has changed over the years. Bloodlines used to get a lot of flak, all baseless opinions like the kind of stuff you claim about IV. "it's dull, it doesn't feel like castlevania! who is this gay spear guy!" etc.

And yes, your opinions are indeed shitty.

>>2767893
>What strawman? What castlevania is about going fast? I told you, post some video comparison, because your words aren't convincing me. I'm inviting you to prove me wrong, but you keep deflecting it.
I don't have a camera. You're misrepresenting my argument because you can't defend against it. Either that or you're an idiot.
>Yeah I know you're an anti-Nintendo guy
Are you saying many Snes games don't suffer from slowdown? Because that would be a blatant lie.
>Rondo having a level select means you can play all the levels in one go? Think a little before typing stuff.
How do you define 'go'? You could play all the levels on Rondo in one 'go' if you play them consequtively.
>fandom
>>>/tumblr/

>>2767974
>I don't have a camera. You're misrepresenting my argument because you can't defend against it. Either that or you're an idiot.

But what argument? You say IV is slow, I say I don't think it's any slower than any other Castlevania game.
I already said maybe the big sprites might give the illusion that the game is slower, but as for Simon actually being slower than in, say, Castlevania 1 or Chronicles? I don't think so.

Thanks for the free ad-hominem, by the way. Helps my argument, I guess.

>Are you saying many Snes games don't suffer from slowdown? Because that would be a blatant lie.

What? I already said I know IV has some slowdown, in the spinning room, and in the Clockwork Mansion mid-boss. The slowdown when theres many enemies on screen isn't really that noticeable and doesn't affects the game, and definitely I'm sure with only 2 enemies on screen, there's no slowdown. Again - feel free to prove me wrong with video proof. You don't need a camera, just find some gameplay footage and use some video editor.

You also say SNES games suffered from "extreme" slowdown, "just like IV", I think you're exaggerating a bit with the EXTREME part, aren't ya, anti-nintendo guy?

>How do you define 'go'? You could play all the levels on Rondo in one 'go' if you play them consequtively.

I mean that you can just start a file and play through all the levels, you have to choose your path, and if you want to play the alternate stages, you have to either start over, or select them from an existing file with them unlocked. But there's no way to play for example level 5 and level 5' in the same playthrough. Hope that's clear.
I still like branching paths, but I don't think not having them is a deal breaker. At any rate, I respect if it is for you, but don't expect me to take your opinion as fact, okay?

And you seriously think the word "fandom" is used only by modern online social networks? How old are you?

Both 4 and bloodlines are great, y'all motherfuckers need to just play some games.

Better argument: who is the more useless Belmont, Juste or Soleiyu?

>>2767993

I'm the guy defending IV and I actually, personally, like Bloodlines more.

I just want to shut up meme spouters like OP because people like him are the reason Castlevania discussion have turned down in quality dramatically this past years.

If you want to shit on IV, fine, do it, but don't pull of shit like "it's dull!" "it doesn't feel like castlevania" because that's the exact same shit I've been dealing with from people who shat on Bloodlines in the past. I've already seen this shit many times and it's just fanboys being obnoxious with empty opinions masqueraded as arguments, or hipsters wanting to hate on popular games, which could be even worse.

>>2767993

yer mom bitch