/vr/ - Retro Games

>>2744956
>Produce OC... least one of them will turn out alright! (maybe)

We're OK with bad OC. OUT OF MY WAY. SHITTY PICTURES COMING THROUGH.

...why does every picture I take suck.

Can't tell if this Toshiba Theaterview has good image quality or if it was just the tape goodwill was running

>>2744956
Several hours and a 1/30 shutter speed adjustment later. Still need to get a tripod so I can fix the angle.

>>2745132
I probably need to adjust the aperture setting on this too. I doubt auto's getting the exposure right.

>>2745132
this is great anon can i get your exact settings ?
i've had more luck with phone cameras than dslrs when it comes to crt photos

>>2745113
wow good quality
much HD
wow

>>2745151
dont do that

>>2745152
I will do whatever I want

>>2745148
Fujifilm Finepix S8200. Shutter setting of 30 (1/30) on automatic aperture mode (haven't figured out the adjustment for that yet). As you can tell, it's pretty hit or miss though. I had to take like 30 photos before I could settle on one decent enough.

OP, your pic really is moire than I can handle

>>2745174
Yeah, I think I'm done for now.

>>2745185
One does not simply photograph moiredor.

>>2745195
I don't know about other browsers, but firefox must do bicubic or lanczos resize because all resizes to fit in window have little to no moire

My phone camera fucking sucks. Also, I guess shadow masks are just hard as fuck to take a decent picture of.

I totally forgot about that high pitched noise until I got my PVM today. Such a nostalgic sound...

>>2745246
Oh man, and that "power vacuum" sound as soon as you turn on the monitor.

The one that makes you think that you are about to blowup your entire house every time you turn it on.

hey I put a reasonably high max bid on this meme TV without noticing this huge gap on the right in one of the pics

how fucked am I if I win

>>2745669
not fucked at all because you can adjust that very easily.

>>2745672
thank you

you are my friend

>>2745673
i mean hopefully it will have some manual controls for it but if not there is a pot inside most tv that let you center/stretch the image horizontally.

>>2745679
like these?

it's kind of weird how you would try to sell something without fixing the picture or even dusting it off

>>2745709
yeah looks like it has position adjust. If it means getting it cheaper I dont mind a little dust.

Does anyone have a emulation setup or something like that? I wouldn't mind tracking down a CRT monitor I can hook up to my PC or something akin to that.
I can't afford to mod all my shitty consoles for RGB + everdrive.
I use retroarch + some shaders depending on the core, and it looks ok (apparently at 4k it looks better, but I don't have the modern graphic card), but I'd like to know what other people use as their setup.

/v/ here, sorry for the basic question

How do I put the component cables of the wii in the pvm? I think I need some bnc adapters, but I am not sure on which holes to put the cables.

OP here. The parts I mentioned in the last thread for the defunct NEC XM29 are up on ebay (as I'd assume most people with a functioning XM29 searchfeed already knows by now). The exception to this are the mainboards since it's 3 boards on 1 chassis mount and they're too heavy for my scale to actually measure (>10lbs).

In the meantime, feel free to experience more dodgy photography.

>>2745750
I'm curious, what model?

>>2745776
Middle red into "R/R-Y", Green into "G/Y", Blue into "B/B-Y". Make sure you have that switch of the right flipped to "Compo"

Bottom White or Red can either be fed into the audio in next to said switch or into an external audio setup along side white; When PVMs/BVMs have speakers, they tend to be mono only.

Note the bottom set of inputs for comparison.

>>2745776
Well, I only own BVMs but this should be an easy enough answer here. Yes, you do need BNC/RCA adapters (only 3 per channel since the audio is still RCA) and if it's anything like the BVM, it can accept component video via the RGB/Analog inputs (assuming Sync on Green).

After that, green to green, blue to blue, and red to red (Worked for my PSP, at least).

>>2745786
>>2745789

thanks a lot!

>>2745776

>>2745786
Or what He/She said.

>>2745756
You dont have to "mod" most consoles for RGB+everdrive.

What consoles do you have? For many you just need the proper RGB scart male cable and the RGB-BNC/Component to female Scart cable. (I think)

>>2745802
errr, most was the wrong word.

Many would be more appropriate.

Genesis everdrive, and SNES everdrive dont require a mod

Everdrive N8 would require a mod, TG everdrive I believe requires a mod, N64 everdrive requires a mod.

>>2745779
If I win I'll post detailed pictures and info. I've done enough damage to my chances

we can explore it together <3

>>2745756
RetroArch is perfect for emulation on a CRT monitor. You can easily set it as a secondary monitor, and have RetroArch output to that screen automatically at whatever resolution you desire, as long as you have a modeline set up for it. You can even make your monitor effectively emulate a top-end BVM with this guide:

http://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/Display_FAQ#240p.2F480i_Emulation

>all these autists taking pictures of their old ass CRT TVs

It's like I'm in the Twilight Zone or some shit.

>>2745907
Sounds like Wii + compo on a decent CRT is the best combo. Grabbing a SNES classic controller sounds like a good plan, right?

>>2745973
>>2746234

Shut up autist

>>2745709
BVM-1910?

>>2745967
this is what I do exactly. wii component 240p with three official super famicom classic controller. maximum comfy

>>2745948
Don't post if you don't have anything relevant to say.

>>2745979
On a BVM 19/20 the drawer is below the screen. That's a 13/14 of some description, i'm going to guess either a 1315 or more likely a 1316.

Just got my Mega Drive in the mail today and upon hooking it up to my PVM with one of those combined audio/RGB MD cables I was greeted with this. I know I have everything hooked up 100% correctly but this to me looks like a sync issue? Any ideas?

>>2746025
Probably not a sync issue, or not directly. What happens when you push not the line/RGB switch but the RGB/YPbPr switch? and int/ext sync button on both the former settings?

If it's not either of those, might be the cable? I have no idea what you're actually describing as a combined audio/RGB MD cable.

>>2746030
>RGB/YPbPr switch?

Screen turns green.

>int/ext sync

The button marked "EXT SYNC"? Turning it off makes the screen go crazy (rippling picture etc.). Turning it back on produces what you see in my original photo.

>combined audio/RGB MD cable.

One of these (see pic).

>>2746025
>sync issue
If it was a sync issue, the screen would be rolling.

For whatever reason, the ground isn't connecting properly and causing some color inversion.

>>2746045

Hm, well I bought the console from an online seller that also offers modifications. I got region and language modding done but nothing else. However, one of the other modifications available was having RCA outputs installed on the back that circumvented the default output (I guess the logic was not needing to buy an AV cable made for the MD but instead being able to use any old RCA AV cable). I didn't see the point in it and so didn't get it, but do you think the modification could have been done on the inside without the RCA outputs being installed?

Why do some PS1 games, like Resident Evil 1 and 2, have a black space on the left side of the screen with little to no black space on the right side, resulting in a picture that isn't centered? Some games, like Street Fighter Alpha 3, fill the entire screen with no black space on either side at all. All of my Saturn games are perfectly centered with the same amount of black space on both sides, including the Saturn version of Bio Hazard.

I thought it was a problem with the TV that I used to use until I got two Trinitron monitors, one that was calibrated before I got it, that do the same thing. I don't even know if this is just a CRT thing...I've never played my consoles on anything else but CRTs.

>>2746025
grounding dude. i've had black sonic b4. open up the end of your cable and check the wiring

>>2746069
Your image proves that the CRT is getting Red, Green, Blue, and Composite video, so the only thing that you're really missing for a proper image is ground.
I'm assuming the mod you're talking about is just for composite video+stereo audio which would really only consist of mounting RCA jacks and running wires from the video encoder for video/front headphone buffer for audio.

Thinking about it again though, do you have the headphone cable connected to the system?

If not, does connecting it change the problem at all?
If you do, I'd say it's almost definitely a problem with the cable, as the front headphone jack also has a connection to ground and will at the very least give a smeared but proper colored picture.

>>2746148
Gotta Go Fast

>WentTooFast.jpg

>>2746148

I do have the headphone cable connected but unfortunately removing it only kills the sound (as you'd expect) but with no change to the picture.

>>2746136

Just tested a SCART cable I have for my SMS that also fits the MD and it gave me the same picture. I know for a fact that the SMS cable works too because I also tested it on the SMS. Works fine there.

>>2746176
how do you connect to your pvm, female scart to bncs ?
you should first test the ground points on the female scart plug. If you miss some you might want to solder some.

Dont mind me...

>>2746045
Post this on /x/

>>2746191

>>2746025

Oh shit, I'm an idiot. I totally forgot to mention that this MD has a 60hz mod too as it's a PAL system. Could that have any bearing?

>>2746219
60hz mod shouldn't do that as it's only a jumper that's being switched. That said, I'm not too familiar with modding earlier MD's so could be wrong.
I had the exact issue you're showing before and it was down to some very lazy wiring in the RGB scart cable I got; ground had only been connect in one place which, due to the set-up I had, didn't connect. Time to check all the wiring.

Holy FUCK people are desperate. I'm never gonna get my hands on a meme tv. All this for fukn 14"

>>2746231

Yeah I thought it might have been a long shot. I know modding PAL MDs can cause colour issues in RGB but as far as I know that's a total loss of colour (b&w) and not whatever this is. Oh well, time to check these cables out then.

>>2746250
Too much thirst on ebay. You gotta head straight to the source.

>>2746259
Snagged this bad boy instead now I feel better. And it might actually fit on my desk.

>>2746250

You know it's just a meme and you still want it? What's wrong with you fam?

>>2746254
it's black and white only if you use composite or s-video

>>2746265
so will there be lag if I emulate shit with this business? There doesn't seem to be any conversion going on

>>2746250
i remember seeing 2 20inch BVMs go for 40 bucks (not each) in the middle of sydney on ebay not 1 year ago

>>2746321
Someone let the memes out

>>2746314
You're going to need a GPU that can output 15kHz, but there should not be any added "lag".

>>2746328
Looks like I'm back in weird chinese conversion board territory

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/VGA-TO-CGA-CVBS-S-VIDEO-CONVERTER-BOARD-VIDEO-BOARD-ARCADE-MACHINE-PARTS-GAME-MACHINE-ACCESSORY/511228682.html?spm=2114.031010208.3.12.x5rfLG&ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_9,searchweb201527_4_71_72_73_74_75,searchweb201560_1

>>2746250
The glory days are over.

>>2746325
>>2746250
I've been noticing the prices on eBay going crazy the past week. Did some asshole Youtube game celebrity make a PVM episode or some garbage?

>>2746378
maybe everyone who has one wants to hold on to it and no more studios have any more to get rid of

>>2746378
One time on the CUPodcast Ian briefly mentioned wanting to get a PVM so they must be getting more attention by the mainstream retro vidya community.

>>2746250
Mang that's probably Game Garage in Bayswater. The whole shop is inflated Ebay prices

>>2746385
I picked up an XP29 a while back so it doesn't really matter to me, but goddamn, I think you could say that Ziploc sandwich bags are the official cable and controller storage method for true retro game enthusiasts and within a week all WalMarts would be sold out of them and auctions for NEW RARE HOLY GRAIL ZIPLOC BAG BOX L@@K would be clearing $100.

>>2745794
>>2745789
>>2745779

Why have I been watching my old 480p animes on my comp monitor...? Jesus. I think I'll start using my PVM 20L5 for that!

What do you suggest, by the way? 480i or 480p? I guess I'll also use my PS3 with component to watch shit through a USB. Don't have cables to hook my comp to my pvm.

>>2746395
Once you go 480p on a 20L5 you'll never want to go back. I tried out some older anime DVDs in 480p on my 20L5. It was real nice. PS2 with component supports DVD playback in progressive scan.

>>2746405

My PS3 should be fine, I hope. I retired my PS2 long ago for a CECHB01 model for full BC, only because it does 480p with no problems, as opposed to PS2's terrible gsm and xploder homebrews.

Going to try it soon and post pics.

>>2746393
rich kids ruined cheap japanese sports cars now they're coming for the AV too

>>2746418

>tfw I got a Z31 for $4500 and not a thing wrong with it.

>>2746405
>tfw only L4
>tfw no 480p
if only I could get my hands on one...

In my countries version of e-bay I searched through hundreds on 14 inch crt tvs to see if one had component input, and I think I may have found one. (I want to use it also for news channels and music channels, so I prefer that over a PVM)

The brand is chinese and I cant find anything on the internet about it. "Wins" it is called.
The owners tells me he doesnt know anything about component input but that he could watch stuff recorded from his camera, or dvds, on it.

Am I right in thinking it should accept component from the picture?

>>2746534
It doesn't look very good dude. Depends on your options. You should be looking for something way better if you live in the west.

I do love the form factor of the PVMs. But it looks like it is going to be the next thing fetishise about when it comes to retro gaming. So get them now before the speculators come in.

>>2746554

I just want something small to play nes, genesis, snes games, and to listen to news channels while I use the pc.
I am goign to this guys house to see the image quality, and to see the manual.
If it sucks I will get a pvm, but I didnt want to also get a tv tuner.

>>2746457

Fuck off normie.

>>2746625
I want /v/ to leave.

>>2746626

>le /v/ on /vr/ meme

Seriously nigger where do you think you are? This is 4chan. If you're going to fucking cry like a little faggot then go on reddit instead.

>>2746634
You must be new to /vr/ kiddo. We don't accept your cancer.

>>2746636

Not impressed at all. Try harder.

>>2746634
>le normie meme
No seriously, kill yourself.

>>2746573
I can't wait until people hop on these only to realize how much of a pain in the ass they can be and wonder why their super kewl PVM has washed out colors, why the picture isn't straight, why they have to adjust settings whenever they change consoles, why the set seems to whine, and why there is a a faint, just readable text bit always on the screen. Old monitors don't have the ease of ownership that you find with old games.

>>2746667

>washed out colours

I'm sorry your first PVM was defective fam.

>>2746678
I don't have a PVM nor do I particularly want one. And that's exactly my point: these monitors are old and depending on usage and repair can have developed problems over the years that can take some effort to repair (as in capacitor replacement to remedy colors that have become washed out).

>>2746695

Nah.

>>2746608

Does anyone watch TV on their PVM? What's your setup like?

>>2746742
Closest I've done is Netflix on my PVM. Watched like 2 seasons of Phineas and Ferb. It looked great.

>>2746697
Huh? Of course capacitors can need replacement and worn out caps can result in dull colors.

>>2746695
>>2746821
Could you please stop blaming every fault on capacitors?
Bad colors are very likely to be caused either by a too low saturation setting or burned out phosphors.
Worn out capacitors in CRT TVs/monitors usually tend to cause a total failure (doesn't start or turns off) or wrong deflection (bad geometry).

heres my setup at the moment:
1954q
1702
1701

New PVM owner. Just hooked my RGB modded N64 to my PVM and I can see the image, and colors look right but the picture is slightly diagonal and scrolling.

Any ideas of what is wrong?

>>2746870

Sync problems I guess.

I think it may be due to the fact that I am "borrowing" a cable from one setup to another.

I am using a Male RGBS break-out SCART to BNC cable designed for SCART CONFIGURATION - OUTPUT (For use with up-scalers which output R-G-B & SYNC via BNC connectors, or VGA to RGB down scalers such as the Extron range)

I totally forgot about me ordering the cable that way.

Oh well. New Question. Is there any notable loss going from Scart to Component in a PVM vs Scart RGB/BNC?

>>2746870
>>2746875

Is the n64 modded to use composite video as sync or something? Some sets don't like that.

>>2746325
they arnt even twenty inchers m90

>>2747078
I can't wait for people to start eagerly buying up 8" B&W models.

>>2746996
Not sure, but >>2746962 is me and the conclusion that I've come to. It appears the BNC breakout cable has a slightly altered pinout. I imagine that is the problem. I think I'm gonna try Scart to Component on this monitor to get around it.

>>2747078
>>2747084
Once the PVM well runs dry its the wega trinitrons that are next. 2 weeks ago I predicted that they would be $100+ for a 20-27incher (something carryable and fits in a regular car) within 2-3 years.

I think that prediction may be coming true in half the time after this recent spike.

>>2746265
>Ikagemi
sweet

>>2747121
>Scart to Component
I'm hoping that by "component", you don't mean YUV. Because that makes no sense.

>>2747134
Yes, I believe I do mean YUV. I just got my PVM, I have an old Scart to Component converter that I used to use on my consumer Trinitron.

I could easily swing by my local RadioShack, pick up some BNC to RCA adapters and be able to be up and running by later tonight and verify my RGB inputs are OK.

As opposed to buying a scart to BNC cable, waiting a week for it to get here (also much more money), and possibly having it not work.

>>2747150
>swing by my local RadioShack, pick up some BNC to RCA adapters
>(also much more money)
About that...

In-store prices reflected this when I first went to get adapters for my first PVM. Amazon or ebay are much more wallet friendly, and will be of the same general quality.

Seriously, you can pick up 20 of the things for the cost of one at Radioshack. Convenience is literally the only benefit you get from RS.

>>2747169
Oh yeah, I know that I'm paying for convenience. I'm OK with that. Impatience and indecision are two weaknesses of mine. I'm more of a "rip the band-aid off" type of guy.

Also, if for some reason it doesnt work or my PVM is fucked I can return it tomorrow.

Kya, will my plan work, and will the image quality be lower than that of a straight BNC to Scart cable?

>>2747179
>will my plan work
If the breakout cable is in-fact the problem, bypassing it should solve the issue.

>will the image quality be lower than that of a straight BNC to Scart cable?
If the converter you're talking about is a CSY 2100 or one of its clones, I've heard the colors some times need to adjusted to better match what the standard RGB picture would have, but I don't believe it should be reduced that much.

Bit of rambling-
Assuming your SCART cable is using composite video for sync, have you tried just connecting the sync line of the breakout cable to the composite input of the PVM. I'm just curious what the result would be; In a normal situation, you'd get standard composite video but if ground isn't connected I don't know what'll happen to the picture. Possibly the same color inversion as before but with lower quality video.

Here's a few shots I got from my RGB PC Engine on the 1344Q.

>>2747337

>>2746321
I remember those, they were BVM-2000AP's, or the model before the BVM's got component capability. I'd love to know more about them. Absolute bargain. Now Auschoice has sold all those ABC monitors off i'm not sure there are any good sources left in this country. Individual sets are still around, but those are going to go for large money, i reckon.

>>2747429

>>2747448
And some Mega Drive to finish this off.

>>2747454

>>2747462

>>2746860
How did you stack the Commodore monitors without invoking wonkovision? I couldn't put my closer than 6 inches next to each other.

>>2746408
non-/vr/ advice:
Every single model of PS3 has forced lag on every single non-PS3 game, including HWBC models, no matter how you're outputting video. I'd keep my PS2 if I were you.

I wrote this in another thread but I think this is the right place to ask, also, I made mistakes in the other post (were instead of werent)

"
Recently I lost my crt.
During the year I used it to retro game properly, I realized 240p and scanlines werent making me enjoy retro games more than the 480i look.
Although I prefer both by much to how retro games look on an hd tv.

Do you think 480p is worth it for dreamcast/gamecube/ps2/wii games? or will the difference between 480i and 480p will seem as irrelevant to me as the difference betwee 480i and 240p?

I ask because I am considering getting an hd crt that can do native 480p.

>>2746573
>But it looks like it is going to be the next thing fetishise about when it comes to retro gaming. So get them now before the speculators come in.
I don't know if you're keeping up with even posts within this very thread, but it's already too late as of 2 years ago.

>>2747541
CRTs with truly native 480p are great for those systems, but if you prefer 480i output of 240p games then I don't know what to tell you. Scanlines are less of an issue except on some DC games, especially 2D arcade ports like Capcom fighting games, you are seriously going to miss them. As in desperately so, since the sprites are low-res. You could get a scanline generator but I just prefer to play them on my CRT SDTVs.

>>2747539

Yeah but... but... playing them in 480i... gross. Is the lag really that bad? I don't think I felt anything too bad when playing, even with a wireless controller.

Ah dang it /vr/

I got back from visiting my girlfriends family up north. They only have CRTs in the house.

one was some panasonic ~ 27" one that did component and the other was some RCA with just basic composite. But to hear a grand mother preach about how CRTs look better to her for her vintage media, it was a pretty fun experience.

Not quite video game related, but more vintage video signal related.

Any idea why a VCR would suddenly run into weird field mismatch/sync problems? The video almost looks like it's playing in 240p based on the test lines at the top of my PVM. At first I thought it was just a bad tape, but it's happening with everything I try. The VCR's own menu displays perfectly clear in 240p, something I can't remember if it did before.
It has auto tracking, and while adjusting the channel buttons on the front do affect the picture, it doesn't do anything to the sync issue.
I'm going to test out another VCR just to be sure, but does anyone have what the problem could be before I go tearing it apart and try fiddling with the heads?

>>2747610
>Gamestop

>>2747621
It's a rebranded Pelican Component/S-Video/Composite Video switcher/Hub and is pretty nice actually.

The VCR is now having trouble even starting to read tapes, so that pretty much confirms it's a problem with the heads/reading mechanism.
https://a.pomf.cat/gguxok.webm
I was originally trying to watch Robin Hood Men in Tights, this was just for testing purposes.

>>2747541
>comparing 240p and 480i in any way

In what instance do you ever need to choose between 240p and 480i? Either a game is made in 240 or 480 lines. Why even compare them?
And 480p is strictly better than 480i for every possible reason. If you can get a 480p CRT to upgrade from 480i, do so.

>>2747628

sorry kya, I got nothing about VCRs

hpoe you find your answer though

>>2747610
>>2747628
ugh, also forgot to ask about your component switcher. I kind of need one myself, wii, gc, ps2 and ps3 make getting to my tightly tucked pvm kinda tough. Does the gamestop / pelican one need a power source? And is there any noise or interference?

>>2747689
>And 480p is strictly better than 480i for every possible reason.
bad blanket statement

>If you can get a 480p CRT to upgrade from 480i, do so.
bad blanket advice

>>2747610
>>2747628
check non-Macrovision tapes before you go fucking around in there

>>2747713
Just tried an old recorded tape; The low quality of the recording makes it somewhat harder to tell, but it's still happening. It doesn't seem to be doing it as bad now, but is still very jumpy.
Brought up the old VCR and the tape works absolutely fine on it.

I know for a fact this specific tape worked on said VCR before.
Just disappointing to not have access to S-Video output until I get it working again.

>>2747703
This specific model doesn't need power, switching inputs is all done by the four press switches on the top(or to the side of it the way I have it sitting) I haven't noticed any type of noise or interference from it or other sources trying to pipe video at the same time, even if all four are running.
Only three of the four inputs have component, the front facing one is composite/s-video. Ethernet connectivity is only applied to the selected input.

>>2746860
This is beautiful. And that Mother map, wow. 10/10, anon.

>>2747706
Explain when in any possible instance 480i is better than 480p

I just bought a Sony KV27-FS120 today for $20. Really great condition, it's my first crt in a really long time.

I checked the OP's links but I didn't find anything on this. Is there a nice tutorial somewhere that will show me how to use the service menus? I've got some calibrating to do and it'll be my first time.

I've got some problem areas on the top left and right corners.

>>2747774
when a game is designed for 480i:
>>2747560
>especially 2D arcade ports like Capcom fighting games, you are seriously going to miss them. As in desperately so, since the sprites are low-res.

>>2747628
I am no expert on vcr's but I know about analogue audio devices like reel to reel and record players. VCR's are similar because they use rubber bands for the motors.

Have you ever replaced the bands in your vcr? That is the #1 problem I see with those things.

>>2747798
>Have you ever replaced the bands in your vcr? That is the #1 problem I see with those things.
I have not; I did get it second hand though, so I have no idea what type of wear it may have seen previously.
When rewinding in high speed mode, there does sound to be some sort of slippage occurring, so I guess it could be a problem with the head(s) not spinning reliably or consistently. I'll definitely give it a look once I get it open.

Until then, composite from my Zenith model will just have to do.

>>2747786
http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?248996-Sony-WEGA-Trinitron-CRT-TV-service-menu-Tips-Tricks-and-settings-suggestions

>>2747283
RE: Your rambling, yes you were 100% correct. If I just plugged in the sync cable it was just a clearer version of the distorted image.

I tried Scart to YUV to test my RGB/Component inputs and they work fine. Overall conclusions are surprising. Honestly...its too close to call. I can see almost no difference between S-video and Scart via YUV on my 14inch PVM.

Test Images Coming. Subject Game: Super Mario All Stars, SMB2 on SNES.

CSY 2100 clone vs Intec's shockingly high quality NintendoMultAV/XboxOG/PS2 S-vid&Composite cables.

Here is S-Video to the 14M2U, the colors seem much brighter and "wild" if that makes any sense. Everything seems spot on accurate. The only possibly imprecision may be that the red in Mario's sleeve is so vibrant it slightly makes it difficult to make out the the border between his hand outline and his sleeve.

>>2747790
>when a game is designed for 480i
You cannot design a game for 480i. You design a game with 480 lines, and 480i is just a half-assed way to display it.

Here is Scart to YUV. The colors seem a bit more "lifeless" they are less vivid but the picture maybe seems a hair more accurate?

It seems the toned down color makes it easier to see the outline in Mario's hand. It mainly appears to be the darker color difference

I really tried my best to take the most exact same pic in the same exact part of the screen.

This is my 2nd PVM monitor, and rather than constantly switching inputs, I may be totally happy leaving Svideo plugged into the lil 14 incher.

>>2747830
Except you absolutely can. Capcom released those arcade ports with low-res sprites expecting scanlines to mask their shittiness. Take those scanlines away, as with the VGA Box, and the backgrounds look great while the sprites look horrendous.

>>2747836
>horrendous
Third Strike looks passable (to me), but otherwise you're right.

>>2747843
now do the Capcom vs SNK games

>>2747830
480i does not have scanlines. Both 480p and 480i are 640x480.

>>2747873
meant for:
>>2747873

>>2747873
>>2747881
jesus fuck i am drunk

>>2747836
you, you mother fucker.

>>2747850
I've got a shitty photo or two of MvC2 on a different monitor, but no CvS stuff in 480p.

>>2747894
I'm sure it's just the angle, but Cap looks SUPER 3D like PS1 Polygon 3d. While Sakura looks like a genesis sprite, its kinda funny.

Last test shots of the night. After seeing this, it may be blasphemy but other than the difference in color, SVideo being more vibrant, RGB being more accurate, I cannot tell any difference in the level of sharpness between the two.

Here is Scart to YUV. Again, more accurate natural colors.

>>2747873
>>2747881
>>2747883
drunk b8 = worst b8, but I would be just fine knowing that you are personally trading away your 480i displays for 480p ones for use with retro vidya

>>2747894
when you finally do it, load the Morrigan sprite for an extreme example

>>2746191
This is S-video.
>>2747952
And I can agree its not as clear a jump as composite to S-video was. with that you can distinctly see an improvement.

And here is S-Video. I hate to say it but S-Video deserves far more props than it gets.

It may very well depend on the TV used and size. But either S-video is SUPER underrated or the Sony PVM is made of magic to the point where it can pull S-video to compete with Scart and basically draw even with it.

I dont know if

>>2747961
I'm not talking about 480i displays vs 480p displays. I am talking about 480i resolution vs 480p resolution. 480i displays are essential for 240p games, and I have never said otherwise. However, 480i games can always be run in 480p. 480p is strictly better than 480i.

>>2747987
>480i displays are essential for 240p games
They actually aren't.

You can deinterlace 480i to 480p all day but in addition to the delay it's not always going to give you an ideal image. And you can run games with backgrounds designed at high res at 480p but if the sprites are low-res then you (or someone with more discriminating eyes than you) are going to prefer the 480i output every time.

It's not like they had all those NAOMIs plugged into 30kHz screens, anon.

>>2747963
As much as I want to see a difference...I really cant. I think a part of it may be due to screen size. I am only on a 14 inch monitor.

But if that is the case then these kids hooking up there 8 inch monitors with so much money invested into the monitors then pour more money into unnecessary scart cables and bnc adapters when they could be and would be served just as well as S-video?

>>2748040
I have those cables only for one desperate reason.
the vertical line bullshit.
it actually fixed it after trying everything else.

>>2748053
Which cables are you referring to, and for which console?

Sorry, you were a bit vague on your post.

>>2748023
I'm not talking about delinterlacing. I'm talking about 6th gen+ games (dreamcast, gamecube, ps2, wii. Which is what the original guy was talking about). Those consoles will natively output 480p video. And I'm not talking about 240p arcade games being ported to consoles and displayed in 480i. I'm talking about games designed in 480 lines, being displayed in 480i vs 480p.

>>2748070
snes RGB scart to bnc.

>>2748103
Oh ok, gotcha. So question for you. When you are playing SNES do you use scart to bnc mostly or just when desperate?

>>2748073
>Those consoles will natively output 480p video.
Where you are stumbling is the fact that actual games on those systems were not necessarily optimized for that resolution. Well-known examples have already been posted.

>And I'm not talking about 240p arcade games being ported to consoles and displayed in 480i. I'm talking about games designed in 480 lines, being displayed in 480i vs 480p.
Well then you are moving the goal posts from the original absolute statement of

>And 480p is strictly better than 480i for every possible reason. If you can get a 480p CRT to upgrade from 480i, do so.

that either you or some other misguided anon posted earlier. The PS2 library is rife with a *majority* of non-progressive games, and playing 480i games on a 480p-capable CRT HDTV forces display-side deinterlacing that adds latency and potentially degrades the image. GCN and even Xbox had their share of non-progressive games too.

The CvS series was actually designed as NAOMI-native titles with backgrounds that are amazing at 480p, but the sprites were just not given that same attention. You don't just throw that away as a 240p arcade situation; a NAOMI-native game is practically a Dreamcast-native game.

The bottom line is that actual examples exist where the blanket statement is proven wrong and the advice given based on that statement is proven not to be universally applicable. No, 480p is not "strictly better than 480i for every possible reason." Because there are actual examples of native games designed in 480 lines that look better in 480i, full stop.

>>2748130
> moving the goal posts
The original poster never said anything about playing 240p games on 480p monitors. It's always been 480i 6th gen games.

>The PS2 library is rife with a *majority* of non-progressive games
Every 6th gen game can be run in 480p (either natively or with homebrew). Without deinterlacing, scaling, or any nonsense.

I don't know if you even know what interlaced images are, but I'll write it out just in case.
480i and 480p are literally the same image. 480i is a 480p image with even/odd lines missing. Never in the history of graphics has somebody drawn a sprite to have half the lines missing in every other frame. If a game is rendered in 480 lines, it is strictly better in every possible way to display it in 480p over 480i. "full stop"

>>2746747
>2744956
yeah i watched weeds, for such a boring show the colours were amazing

>>2747179
when he said 20 for the price of 1 he wasn't exaggerating

>>2747337
nice considering the 1344Q

>>2747442
I now have in order of when I acquired:

PVM 14M4E
PVM 2042QM
PVM 8042Q (faint discolouration from left side)
PVM 8045Q
BVM 2010

The M4 and the BVM are from Auschoice the rest I got from a guy on gumtree locally

>>2747541
no, if you're too fucking stupid to notice the difference between 240p and 480i don't deny someone else a 480p capable crt

>>2747832
the different inputs will need different settings/colour temps so no wonder they're chalk and cheese

>>2747843
but at 240p....

>>2747968
Only thing s-video is lacking is the seperate colours. It's a pretty good standard.

>>2748103
this didn't solve my vert line problem at all

>>2748186
Is that was this has been? A long-form, slow-payoff troll?

Maestro, bravo. You had me convinced that you were the most obtuse and unjustifiably defensive person I've ever encountered in /crt/ over the course of an entire evening and I only now realized that nobody could ever be that dense unintentionally. Kudos.

>>2748269
I don't have any recent full screen photos of Third Strike in 240p, so here's an old S-Video one.
It's really silly that Capcom would have RGB SCART disabled for the game.

>>2748267
Of course, but the point was that S-video (generally considered worse quality than scart) IMO on this particular TV set was able to achieve essentially exactly what Scart did.

I'd like to do more testing though. SMB2s graphics are fairly simplistic. I should try with super metroid or street fighter next to see how Svideo handles the more complex backgrounds.

All in all more people should give Svideo a chance before dumping money into cables, adapters and switches (depending on what CRT they have). I'm gonna guess there are plenty playing snes, n64, ps1, and other systems with Svideo output without modding but are using Scart just because they hear it is better when in actuality (again depending on the TV set) it is the same.

NOTE: this is just based on the preliminary testing I did, there are still tons of variables out there.

>>2748291
Also, I found a better 480p shot on a different monitor.

>>2748296
>was able to achieve essentially exactly what Scart did.
Remember, that transcoder is encoding the source RGB signals and while in a perfect world you'd get out the same exact quality that was put in, it is not always the case; Especially with that model.
In my experience S-Video tends to nearly match RGB in terms of sharpness but not in color.

>>2748296
>it is the same.

it is not the same

>>2748270
>>2748270
I know nothing about the technical side of things...but are you saying that for 240p systems S-video and Scart are the same technology?

>>2748291
Here's one of RGB on a BVM2010, still haven't really got the hang of taking crt photos

>>2748308
I'm not saying it's the same. I'm saying it's nearly the same, and that the difference is not as big as as you might read or hear about...depending on what the signal is being fed into.

>>2748314
S-video has luma (the white) and chroma (all the colours) seperate from one another. RGB has all the colours seperate from one another. Composite has absolutely everything stuffed together. This is why you are least likely to see colour bleeding etc from RGB

>>2748316
Looks breddy gud, friendo

>>2746742
Hmm... You made me think of hooking up my VCR as a tuner... shame my country's gone all digital though.

Hey guys, I want to get a new CRT to replace the shitty old Zenith one I've had for ages, and I want a good one so the image isn't cut off again.
But I have a hard time telling which TVs actually have good image quality. Like, I can tell obviously that some of the ones on display at Goodwill and garage sales are complete shit, but then on the better brands (Sony, Panasonic, Toshiba, etc) some of them look like total crap, even if they're relatively recent models and all that. I just don't want to buy one with a terrible image due to a fucked tube or something.
So how do I know the tv isn't fucked?

>>2748476
If you can test it easy just run 240p suite on a console. If not look at the geometry (is the picture even/level/centred?) Also look for any color bleeding particularly around the edges (they'll look like blotches) or any other discolouration. Play with the contrast and brightness to make sure the picture is not burnt out our dim

>>2747762
Why not buy an old professional VCR deck? They are pretty damn cheap on ebay.

>>2746742
I watch a ton of stuff on my PVM via svid and RGB. Here are some things I've learned:

>PVMs love good sources
This sounds kind of stupid, but high end consumer sets do a pretty good job of covering up artifacts from lower quality stuff, whereas professional sets are going to show you where it's wrong. The biggest culprits are low quality VHS rips (as the rare ones usually are) and anything that was ripped <640x480 or at a very low bit rate, which is also a thing for most TV shows that weren't ripped in the last few years. Mind you they still look a lot better than upscaled on a LCD, but it's not going to magically make everything look good.

That said, I prefer to watch 720p content letterboxed on my PVM sometimes instead of on my nice PC monitors.

>Use MadVR
Kinda goes along with above, it's got good upscaling and downscaling which you'll need.

>PVMs have no (good) speakers
Don't forget that. But, I like the speaker on mine. You'll need to combine the signals to run stereo through the single speaker, best way to do that is in software. Even then it sometimes gives you strange results.

Also I've noticed some minor shadowing on my sets. It's a bit worse through svid but generally not that bad for videos, but if your mouse cursor happens to pop up you can notice a horizontal band wherever it is on the screen.

If you watch a lot of newer content you might be better off trying to hunt down a SFP tube set like a XBR910 or 960. They aren't any good for most /vr/ content but are much better for video content. They go a great job of smoothing out source impurities and have better blacks in my experience.

All of that being said, with the right content, PVMs look fucking great. And there's a certain amount of nostalgia knowing that the show you are watching might have been produced on a set similar to the one you are using.

>>2747894
CVS2 actually looks good in 480i via rgb scart on my trinni

>>2747894
480i also has scanlines, just not in the same way 240p does.
480p does too, btw, depending on your monitor. Usually very thin though.

>>2748607
I've been getting pretty good snes sound from my y-splitter to single audio input on my PVM.

This is gonna sound dumb, but I bet the news/CNN is AWESOME to watch on a PVM.

Also I just remembered I had the Star Wars clone wars cartoon series on DVD. Looking forward to trying it out

can someone recommend me rgb scart cables that will work on my trini, i got some a while back but they were pretty shitty and everything was a shade of green and pink, and i dont know how to solder\ have a soldering iron to fix it

after playing other consoles in rgb i cant go back to composite

>>2747843
>>2747836

Are you niggers retarded? SF3 has a 240p mode. At least FOR ME on Dreamcast. If you're playing it on Xbox or PS2, then it sucks to be you fams.

>>2748186
i think he's saying that if you slap 240p sprites on 480p backgrounds you'd mask the fact that the sprites are 240p sprites somewhat if you're running at 480i; the interlacing will hide it precisely because only half of the sprite is visible every other field.

sup /br/

>>2748713
what are those splashes? did you cum all over your crt?

>>2748713

>>2748713
4 8 0 p

posting oldie a but a goodie

megas shot for a mega thread

>>2748713

Looks fine to me. Half of the fags in this thread don't even care about playing the games and just wanna rub their faces across their TVs.

>>2748747
We have these magic tubes that are capable of displaying a perfect picture with every color possible, yet you're going to limit the shit out of it with shitty cables?

>>2748717
yeah
streaks from wipes, after all these years i cant clean screens properly

>>2748737
(You)- COMPONENT

>>2748713
(That Guy)- COMPOSITE

...Am I missing something?

I live in China, want to get a decent monitor, how much do these usually go for?

>>2748774
Some more of the bmv selection on taobao

>>2748652
see
>>2748291
I'm aware; Third Strike is one of the few games that have a 240p, 480i, and 480p mode.

>>2748628
Scanlines refer to the lines left by 480i running with its field overlapping, creating 240p. Standard 480i has offset fields and 480p has single frames, so while they do obviously have gaps in illuminated phosphors, they do not have scanlines in the traditional sense.

>>2748627
480i can look pretty good, especially on larger screens. I've noticed it can be much more jarring the smaller you go.

>>2749027
>480i can look pretty good, especially on larger screens. I've noticed it can be much more jarring the smaller you go.
complete opposite of my experience

Man guys clean up your damn set-ups. They're a fuckin mess god damn

>>2748664
Wouldn't the persistent phosphors on a SD tube just make the 480i just look like a blurry 480p? It wouldn't be able to hide that the sprites are line-doubled.

>>2748282
I feel the exact same about you, troll.

>>2744956
What is the name of this beast?

>>2749223
>It wouldn't be able to hide that the sprites are line-doubled.
calling it now: truly ignorant, not a troll

>>2749314
Explain in physical terms exactly what you think is happening on the screen.

>>2744956
whoa, why does this thing have an early format memory card slot? o.o

>>2745151
>>2745156
I'm not some reddit hater... but still, this isn't reddit

>>2745132
>trying this hard to get a professional shot for a picture you intend to post on an anonymous image board
do you ever question the direction of life?

>>2745948
people still try to do this tired old troll? Also those girls are not hot at all.

>>2747963
>This is S-video.
umm... ok.... how did that pointless observation add anything to the conversation? why did you feel compelled to point that out? why should anyone care?

I posted this question in the previous thread but I don't think anyone replied, so I will try again:

Is the cable between a BVM and a BKM-10R remote/controller/panel just a male-to-male DB-9? Picked up a BVM-D20F1A the other week for $50, waiting for a BKM-10R to show up in the mail but I still need a cable.

>>2749234
The BVM 14F5U? I just have the BKM controller for the D20F1U on top of it since I can't stack the 14F5U on top of it (doesn't extend back far enough so gravity would cause it to tilt back).

>>2749070
Agreed, this whole area needs a lot of work. For one, I need to scrub off that sticker residue on my monitors and I definitely need a rack with more width (and tiers) for my consoles. Bonus clutter from all the parts I'm still selling off and repairs to my brother's PS3.

>>2749343
I can confirm it's a male to male DB9 RS232 Serial cable (still waiting on a male/male serial coupler for my male to female cable I had for a programmer).

/co/ here

would you rather emulate nes, snes, genesis and pc engine games on a hacked wii, and play them on a crt, but with composite cables, or emulate them on a pc with a 24 inches 1080p monitor, but with all the filters and fake scan lines available?

I am not sure on what to do and I dont want to search for another crt when I already have one in my kitchen.

>>2749371
Probably the CRT for the 0 lag and motion quality. But I'm a CRT fanatic so I'm very biased.

>>2749318
ur mum's getting down with a pack of homeless blokes m8. that's as physical as it gets. now tell that trampy minger to stop tweeting me this shit bruv.

after that maybe you can open your eyes instead of hypothesizing on what things would or wouldn't look like if you tried it yourself.

>>2749371
>emulate
casual

>>2749387
I dont deny it

>oh hey a 20m4u
>alaska
> my sides

>>2749384
>open your eyes instead of hypothesizing on what things would or wouldn't look like if you tried it yourself.
Says the guy that thinks 480i has visible scanlines

>>2749362
Rockman VI Complete Works, anyone?

>>2749371
If you choose a wii you have access to a whole slew of superior cables. Limiting yourself to composite is stupid.

>>2749398
>taking that ridiculous troll post you replied to seriously at all
why even reply to that garbage?

>>2749412
Mega Moire, indeed.

>>2749414
Maybe his TV only takes composite.

So maybe you're stupid.

>>2749423
Wonder if anyone's discovered the burn-in yet.

>>2749432

>>2749436

Repostan.

Launch Super Famicom using c-sync and an official GC SCART on a Sony PVM-20M4E.

>>2749438

That's it for now.

>>2749432

Looks like some stuff on the far top-left in the Rock/Rush/Beat image. Not like you'd really notice except for the occasional solid-color still image.

>>2749429
you were right

But I just bough a 21 inches philips crt in order to be able to use component btw.

Just asking (because I wont be using this)
I have an old crt pc monitor, and a tv tuner that can do from 800 x 600 lines to 1080p.

Could I connect the wii to it? I think 480p is less than 800 x 600 lines.

>>2749454
It's mainly on the top, left, and bottom perimeter. Seems like numerical markers for some old test pattern. Really faint but it's usually only visible on solid white or if I'm staring hard at the monitor.

>>2749454

>>2749471
*Top, left, and right perimeter.

Fucking cardinal directions, man.

>10

>6

>>2749469
Why not just connect the wii to the monitor directly?

>>2749480
the monitor has only accepts vga


I would need to buy an s video cable for the wii and I am not sure it would even work.

>0

>>2749506
There's 3 ways you can connect a Wii to a 480p VGA monitor that I can think of:

- A PAL Wii, or homebrew to change an ntscWii to PAL to get RGB. Then a rca to VGA adapter.

- A Wii "VGA" cable. Somewhat janky, because it uses a passive-ish converter to get RGB from the component video.

- An active component to RGB VGA converter.

>>2748779
>>2748774
The 20" BVMs should be about 1500Yuan. They're not worth the prices there. You could get some overpriced set shipped from the US for much less than 9600Yuan.

>>2749531
>- A PAL Wii, or homebrew to change an ntscWii to PAL to get RGB. Then a rca to VGA adapter.
won't work. The Wii won't output RGBHV to begin with, it only outputs RGBS, and that only at 480i (or 240p, of course)

>>2749535
>1500yuan
Assuming the prices worldwide are any guide. ATM you're looking at $200-250US for a good 20" PVM/BVM.

Just found this big bitch while digging around in the crawlspace of my aunt's house. I'm too lazy to drag it out and bring it home to check the model and all that right now, but are all Trinitrons pretty much quality CRTs? I only have a PS1 and a PS2, but my current CRT is a cheap piece of shit from 2005 that doesn't even let me use compnent cables.

>>2744956
nice bullshot. why are you faggots doing this anyways for what purpose? You literally cant take pictures of crt without giant black lines.

>>2749632
please go and stay go

>>2749610

I have the same Sony Trinitron and love it. I got lucky and found it at a yard sale for 10 dollars.

>>2749051
Maybe it depends on the screen in question. I just know that it's pretty hard to tell when something is interlaced on the Megaview.

>>2749412
>tfw none of my burnt RMCW discs work correctly

>>2749610
Can't really tell the size exactly, but it's probably something along the lines of a 32fs12 or similar model in that range. If the convergence on it is decent, it's a pretty nice CRT.

>>2749698
Nice Toy Biz Resident Evil toys. The Toy Biz RE toys and Marvel vs Capcom toys from the late 90s were awesome.

RIP Toy Biz.

>>2748652
The earlier sf3s have it but Third Strike doesn't unless you patch it.

>>2749840
It's times like this I'm glad I chipped my Playstation 1. Never thought it'd come this much in handy. I only wish it weren't so flaky with anti-mod games like Strider 2 though (Rarely works. I probably botched one of the connections for the 7-wire mod. Probably just going to burn a patched version soon).

>>2749443
Please fix your raster

>>2750296
I was debating chipping one of my PS1s, but it seems that my 7501 has completely shit the bed, and I slightly damaged the ribbon cable on my 1001 model.

The weirdest thing about it is, the games themselves technically load, but the audio is completely botched (sfx don't end, overlap and play at the wrong tone) and often plays in slow motion.
I don't know if it's just the games themselves or that they just don't like my 9xxxx PS2.

>>2749959
I don't have a retail copy of 3S, but to my knowledge, the only thing it needs patched for is 15khz RGB output; All three video modes are available stock.

BVM - 14g5U
Thanks to a Bandridge scart switch and the bvm extra component board I can hook up all my 6 pre HD consoles.
$60 bucks with shipping included, will never get a better deal anymore.

Snes games looks superb with this, cristal clear picture with lovely scanlines

I will have to replay everything I played as a kid again with this superior quality

what model of SNES ? Looks too nice to be a 2 chip

>>2749840

>>2750313

I'll tell you right away, it's not just you. I had some bad audio skipping on my copy as well.

I've narrowed down issues like this with PS1 games to typically being caused by bad rips.

I found this out with Misadventures of Tron Bonne. Absolutely horrible audio and FMV skipping (intro) before I burned a copy of the Redump version. Rarely had an audio skip since (inevitable on CD-Rs for some games due to lower reflectivity than CD-ROMs unless you have a godly laser). Of course, my disc in question probably needed cleaned too but you get the idea.

>>2750392
SNSM-001 (BRA) ,never opened it or modified it

>>2750379
>>2750382
>>2750387
Oh wow nice find that is the best deal on a BVM I've seen. Do you just have RGB and Component support? I tried to get composite and Y/C support on my BVM but the card was RIP. I got a refund but after that the only cards for sale went up in price.

Make sure to terminate the outputs if you aren't already.

>>2750408
Nice shot
Yeah, it was a really nice deal with dirty cheap shipping for a 23kg thing, Yeas I have 2 boards, one use the scart adapter the other I use the PS2 with monster component cable. The board with component has other connections , in and out, I tried to hook composite cables in it but couldnt find the channel.

>>2750408
>Y/C support on my BVM
i needed a bkm-24n or bkm-27t and there weren't any on ebay. there was a 27t for 250 ameribucks, i offered 100, they came back with 150, i declined and it sold for the 250 a day or two later

then i decided it's not worth it. my ngc is the only thing that needs s-video support and that's only until that clone component cable finally is available.... if it ever will be.

the boards I have is equal this picture

>>2750431
>The board with component has other connections
probably SDI, which is pretty much completely useless to any of us.

>>2750439
when these tv guys realized that we wanted this monitors for retro gaming , hell the prices went way to high, I got lucky the seller was a noob.

>>2750440
Oh yeah that's what I got in mine when I bought it. I've found that all 14G5Us come with the BKM-20D. I wanted to swap it out with the BKM-24N which would support everything I needed while still having the stock RGB/YPbPr card. I'd still like to do it but like >>2750439 said it isn't worth it as the prices are way too high. All that just so you can get composite and Y/C on a BVM.

Found a couple today while hunting and was wondering what you fellas input was. Firstly this Samsung which is pretty small like the one I have at home but it includes RGB which I'm planning on upgrading my SNES mini and N64 to. Thoughts?

>>2750594
Here's the back side.

>>2750594
>>2750596
That's YPbPr not RGB. Component.

>>2750594
>>2750596
that's not RGB, that's component.

unless you were talking about the set you already have at home.

>>2750602
Would they be labeled RGB instead of say Cr Cb Y? Sorry for the noob questions.

>>2744956
Hello, my CRT has some leaking going on in the screen. No matter how I turn the colors (on and off) the sprites will always double to the left a little bit, a red shadow that contours the characters the left side for about 2 pixels.

>>2750610
Yes it would be labeled RGB. If the input supported both it would be Y/G Pb/B Pr/R or something like that. I don't think American consumers sets ever supported RGB though.

>>2750623
So I can only get true RGB with like a Sony Trinitron BVM or something like that?

Could it be that this is all I need to play the ps2 and wii on a pc monitor?
it looks too simple to be truth, obviously I would also need speakers or a sound system.
can crt monitors, and I mean the normal office ones, not the pvms, display 240p and 480p?

>>2750627
Pretty much yes. I believe Euro consumer TVs had RGB via SCART but that never happened in America.

We used to have a nice infographic for this thread does anyone have it?

>>2750594
>>2750596
If you "rgb mod" your SNES mini & N64, then get a scart to YPbPr adapter (goes by many names- CSY 2100, Scart to Component, ect...see amazon link) you will be fine and it will work.

http://www.amazon.com/SPECIALTY-AV-SCART-Component-Converter-Genesis/dp/B004XSSDPO

>>2750631
OP again. Pretty much all you're going to find in that domain will display 480p (640x480) but are technically incapable of displaying 240p. The reason for this is most modern computer monitors (CRTs included) cannot display 240p since it requires a 15KHz horizontal refresh rate (most are about 31KHz). Unless you specifically have a monitor with multisync/multiformat capabilities, you will not be able to display 240p and 480p on the same monitor (without a scaler, at least).

>>2750596
Jeez, I hope you were degaussing that monitor when you took that photo.

>>2750619
Can you give us some specifics? What kind of monitor you're using, what kind of video are you feeding into the monitor, etc. Take some photos so we can see for ourselves.

>>2750631
OP again. Pretty much all you're going to find in that domain will display 480p (640x480) but are technically incapable of displaying 240p. The reason for this is most modern computer monitors (CRTs included) cannot display 240p since it requires a 15KHz horizontal refresh rate (most are about 31KHz). Unless you specifically have a monitor with multisync/multiformat capabilities, you will not be able to display 240p and 480p on the same monitor (without a scaler, at least).

>>2750458
Jeez, I hope you were degaussing that monitor when you took that photo.

>>2750619
Can you give us some specifics? What kind of monitor you're using, what kind of video are you feeding into the monitor, etc. Take some photos so we can see for ourselves.

>>2750651
Yes.

Here's a shot of my grandma's TV from the early 80s.

The blue connector is fully wired (RGB) and the other one is just composite (because the manufacturer got cheap); the set supports SECAM, PAL, and NTSC. Consumers were expected to daisy-chain SCART stuff over the RGB connector, hence most cheap TVs having only one RGB SCART. I'm guessing the manufacturer here understood that not all devices would be daisy chained, hence the second port (probably for VHS, since that's only composite).

>>2750619
A red shadow to the left of the sprite? Do you have blue on the right? Maybe a convergence issue?

>>2750727
Nope. That's what composite signals looked like through the aforementioned broken BKM-24N on my BVM. This >>2746385 shows the scrambled signal on the BVM to the left while the output on the PVM to the right is perfect. I wish I new what was wrong with it and if it was fixable. I still have it boxed away so if anyone has any ideas I wouldn't mind tinkering with it as long as it doesn't blow up my BVM when I plug it in.

>>2750729
>other one is just composite
Are you sure it doesn't do S-Video?
>(because the manufacturer got cheap)
Virtually all sets with 2x SCART inputs are like that, even the ones from Sony.
One does RGB and the other S-Video.

>>2750651
here in france even old ass TVs with 6/8 mechanical channel buttons and cog tuning had scart plug with full rgb support. Some of these oldtimers even supported 60hz, much to my surprise.

>>2750651
>We used to have a nice infographic for this thread does anyone have it?
This? Or did somebody make another?

>>2750631
I don't think that will work on a wii, but it would work on PS2 at 480p on some sony monitors. PS2 can output sync-on-green RGB with a component video cable. Not all monitors support it, but I think most sony ones do.

>>2750765
>Are you sure it doesn't do S-Video?
No clue, haven't experimented with that set at all. Could be.

>>2750832
"WHAT THE FUCK IS SCART"
Written like the US is the center of the world when it is actually lagging 30 years behind, 11/10

>>2750865
It's how most people (americans) getting into retro video react.

>>2750865
The info graphic is likely written by an American, especially with the disclaimer noting that he say he isn't familiar with Euro standards.

...also to be a bit tongue and cheek. C'mon America is kinda the center of the world.

>>2750865
Someone doesn't get it.

>>2750832
Yeah that's the one. Saved for future threads.

>>2750832
>>2750942
Needs to be updated, condition trumps model when it comes to FD trinitrons.

>>2750979
I also think whatever updated infographic comes out needs to do a better job of separating into Low Quality: RF & Composite, and High Quality- S-Video, Component and RGB.

Depending on the quality and size of the TV/Monitor used, chances people won't see much of a difference between S-video and RGB Scart.

If I would have known that a few years back I would have spent more time and effort buying a better quality monitor. I likely would have focused more on getting an 800 line BVM by S-Video instead of a 600 line PVM by Scart/RGB

>>2751001
at some point BVMs are basically computer tubes. High TVL count becomes counter productive for old content.

>>2751001
>>2751024
The updated infographic should cover TV lines because I still don't completely get that vs. resolution. How is 800 lines useful when I can only do 240p or 480i on a 15khz monitor?

>>2751027
TVL is a horizontal mesure. Consumer / lower end PVM are what, 300/400 TVL ? It causes blooming / blending, which provides a natural softening. High TVL reduces blooming /bleeding so you kinda lose the benefits of CRT.
High TVL would probably be great for 480p and beyond

>>2751027
Here's my understanding of it:

Basically, the resolution of the tube is based on the speed of the circuitry that controls the yolk. The Electron gun in the back of the tube shoots out a lil stream of electrons, and the yolk uses a bunch of electromagnets and complex electronic magic to bend the stream and scan it across the face of the tube. Remember that it scans left to right as well as top to bottom. A very rough example of this in maths:

15khz horizontal refresh rate means that it takes ~0.000066 seconds to scan one horizontal line. So if you multiply this by say, 240 lines, you get a number pretty close to 0.016, which just happens to be 1/60th. Thus, it can do that 60 times in a second, or scan 60 frames per second.

What does this have to do with 'line count'? Nothing! That's the whole point! Line count is just something about the grill/mask on the tube and the phosphors? I'm not sure about the details but basically it's how small the phosphors on the screen are, or something to that extent. It makes the image sharper, but has no effect on the resolution.

Also, when you think of how exactly it works, it's a wonder bad convergence and purity isn't an issue a lot more often.

>>2750979
It says that afterwards in the "general checklist" section.

>>2751296
It's still a bit vague, models are important with professional sets as they actually have different specs. I'd argue that any FD trinitron in good condition is going to look very similar to any other, if being used with YPbPr.

>>2750678
>>2750651
>>2750832
Awesome info. Thanks again /vr/
I swear this is the most informed and helpful board on goddamn 4chin

>>2751024
In your and some others' opinion. Some people actually enjoy the ultra sharp display of PC CRT monitors and top end BVMs. Is the lack of pixel rounding and super thick scanline gaps polarizing? Maybe, but at the end of the day, they still have the most important benefits of CRT technology, which is great contrast, colors, viewing angles, motion, and no display lag, all in one package.

Hell, I'd argue even PC CRT monitors displaying line-doubled 480p still look great.

>>2749340
It's my TV, I can see first hand the quality, and I was agreeing. wtf

>>2750749
Uh yes there's blue on the left of the sprites
Sorry I was at work, I'll post a pic

Oh God people actually want to revive the infographic meme spoonfeeding project

>>2751391
>spoonfeeding
>a bad thing

Are we just here to circlejerk our sekret hobby?

got the 1943md in today shipping was no problem it was packed very well looks great for being make in march 1992

>>2751027
As I understand it, TVL is the number of individual dots/RGB phosphor sets in a horizontal section equal to the vertical height of the tube, *assuming* that the horizontal phosphor density were the same everywhere as it is at the centre of the tube, if that's relevant to the set in question i.e. aperture grill.

For CRT's, "resolution" often refers to TVL, and is thus an estimation of clarity, where "definition" refers to signal format. 720p is a signal format, not a resolution. With LCD, they both need to match.

For CRTs though, the number of horizontal pixels is NEVER going to match the number of phosphors, but with the halation (pixel glow) and the fact the grill/mask will chop the electron beam anyway (and light up half a pixel, say) this works out fine. GroovyMAME's switchres works amazingly well, using the (horizontal) super resolution of 2160 or whatever it is because the resolution is high enough that you can't tell the difference. It's genuinely not possible to tell the difference between that and, say 320 across, because the grill or mask is chopping things up anyway.

>>2751024
>at some point BVMs are basically computer tubes.
>>2751130
>High TVL reduces blooming /bleeding so you kinda lose the benefits of CRT.
Sort of, but not really. Old master, editing and display monitors have what's known as a "Grade". This is basically the quality of the phosphors, and how much light you get out of them. BVMs are Grade 1 monitors, PVMs started at Grade 2. Take a look at Ikegami's two current offerings and note the difference in price. One is Grade 1; the second is Grade 2, and is half the price. When new, before any misuse or fading, even Grade 2 phosphors are really, amazingly vibrant and colourful without smearing the image all over the place, and...
>High TVL would probably be great for 480p and beyond
...480i has the same number of pixels, remember, just a lower, staggered refresh rate. High end SD tubes like in PVMs and BVMs normally compensate really well for this with that higher phosphor quality. (Not retro, but melee looks fucking incredible on a BVM).

Occasionally, for older 240p content on a worm-out high-TVL tube, things can feel a bit square, but if you sit 30cm further back things often balance out again.

>>2751471
...consumer CRTs never really hit as high as Grade 3, and were considered Grade 4 or 5 for the most part depending on quality. It hardly mattered though because no one was using them for editing or broadcast production so the industry didn't formally grade them.

To that skeptic from the previous thread: this is all from the mouths of production techs, some retired, some still working :)

>>2751402
I'm not interested in accelerating the inflation and depletion of finite resources. Freedom of knowledge is one thing, raising my own prices is another.

Telling people what to look for and how to be smarter about it is great. I'm all for that, let's do that all day. Model recommendations though...holy shit talk about counterproductive.

>>2751501
>he hasn't already hoarded all the CRTs he'll ever need

PVM in communion?

>>2746361
Just get a 4xxx series ati card, shit works fine.

Make sure to get the calamity_emu drivers for windows 7, been doing that with the same model ikegami and it's fucking gorgeous.

>>2751471
>>2751483

Now, where do computer monitors fall into all of that?

OP again. As you can tell, the D20F1U is up and fully functional. Testing Component (Color Difference) via PSP.

>>2751556

>>2751501
>tfw price inflation and craigslist blocking inoreader searchfeeds

>>2751560
Not sure how well the 480p image is coming through this lens. Then again, we're talking about the PSP's "480p" with the huge letterboxing on all sides.

For some reason (and I may photograph this later), the port of Castlevania SOTN on the Dracula X Chronicles looks strangely blurry (maybe some built-in antialiasing filter?)

>>2751572

>>2751587

>>2751592

>>2751596

>http://a.pomf.cat/rpclmd.wav

>>2751554
I have to admit i don't know how PC monitors were tiered in terms of phosphor quality. The brightest PC CRTs you used to see were a little bit brighter than SD consumer trinitrons, when both were new. The trinitrons would have been going at 480i, but the PC monitors that were everywhere wouldn't have been very high-end. But video editing was never done on PC, save in circumstantial cases or for CGI and stuff, and by the time it was, things might already have been in flux with the rise of LCD.

I think I heard somewhere,though, that the D series BVMs and later were using the same tubes as like the FW900? Different chassis of course, and that makes a huge difference because the sets are intended for different uses. Some helpful anon might be able to shed more light, and maybe might invalidate some of what I said above. I'm sure you already know that the fact PC monitors won't scan below 31kHz makes displaying 240p far less bright vs an older SD set, everything else being equal. Even 480i might have been driven harder, older BVMs do have that capability.

>>2751610

>>2751678
Shoutout to /u/ for revealing to me this game's existence.

>>2751683

>>2751690
>>2751678
Missed one.

>>2751695
That's enough for now.

Moire to come later.

>>2751695 (You)
That's enough for now.

Moire to come later

This already looks better than my old TV and I haven't even messed around with the settings or found my component cables yet.

>>2751721
What game?

>>2751750
Mobile Suit Gundam Federation vs Zeon

Component wasn't working but maybe that's because I switched to a PS1 game. The sound is really nice.

Maybe I just have shitty cables or something. It looks nice enough with composite so whatever.

>>2751787
>Mobile Suit Gundam Federation vs Zeon
How do you rate it to Zeonic Front?

>>2751787
For PS2 dont you have to enable component cable output through the menus?

Maybe that was the problem?

>>2751812
It's a different kind of game because all you really need to do is get into the rythm of when to dodge, when to fire, etc but it's pretty satisfying to just play for a half an hour when you want to destroy shit. It's hard to get into at first (it was for me, at least) but after a while it feels fun to play.
>>2751818
That was part of it, but the color is still off. This is a good example, it can't show reds and there's a lot of little lines flashing across the screen.

So, my city is about to do the Analog to digital change, i know late.

So everyone is getting rid of their SDTVs , which TVs should i hunt for? they all will be $5~10.

>>2751948
lurk more

>>2751948
Do you even have any idea why you'd want one?

>>2751948

in the USA everybody recommends the Sony Wega tvs as best normal crts.
I am not American and in my experience the Philips Real Flat tvs are just as good as the Sony Wega tvs.
Something important is that the tv should be able to receive component cable, or at least s video.

I'm trying to sell my pvm-8220 on craigslist, it doesn't fully work as the screen rolls and none of the controls can fix that. I'm also selling a portabrace carrying case with it. Is 80 dollars too much?

I've looked up the same carrying case and they go for over 100 and I figure the 8220 is worth something

>>2752173
Just fix it. Once upon a time TV repairman was a job. That's from that time. Just read a manual.

>>2752173
Just be sure to let the eventual buyer know about the screen roll problem.

>>2752074
Yes try to make sure it has component or at least S-video. You should be pretty satisfied with the results.

>>2746097

I'm still curious about this.

>>2752189
I'm not a tv repair man and I've heard you can get dead by tinkering with these kind of monitors.
>>2752190
I'm planing on making it very clear.

So 80-90 dollars is reasonable?

>>2751721
Speaking of Gundam...

inb4 DW:Gundam isn't retro

>>2752235
Just read a guide and where some thick rubber gloves if you're afraid you missed something.

>>2752243
It's not even the exact model I want so I'd rather get rid of it and use the cash for a model I do want

>>2752235
It's a bit steep but with the bag included and if the buyer knows it's fucked, as a seller is be able to sleep easy about it.

Enjoy cashing in on the meme.

>>2752235
>>2752173
That's far too much money IMHO. A fully working one of those is worth $15US. With the case MB $20.

Earlier in the year I picked up 2 PVM-9045QMs in almost perfect nick for $20AU each.

>>2747539
this sounds fucky m80..

I was trying to watch some DVDs on my 20L5 through my PS2, and widescreen DVDs were being displayed in 4:3...I don't know if the sides were cropped or not, but it was stretched vertically to fill the screen. When I went to the DVD settings, it showed that my "TV" type was 16:9 and it wouldn't let me change that option. The 16:9 button on the monitor would probably be helpful if it didn't show those rainbow artifacts (if there's a way to get rid of those, please let me know...I assume all monitors have those since both of mine do).

Is this a problem with the PS2 or monitor? How do I fix this?

>>2752431

those are always gonna be there. theres supposed to be a shield that covers the top and bottom parts of the screen for 16:9 use only.
ive never seen said shield out in the wild though

>>2752436

So, basically, there's no other way to get a widescreen DVD to display correctly on a PS2 or another DVD player without putting the monitor in 16:9 mode?

>>2752443
i dont think so. when i play a 16:9 ps3 game in 720p on component thats the only way to display a picture.

anyone correct me if im wrong but i think thats how all 16:9 media looks on the L5s

I need a good capture card that I can capture from my monitor (through composite, s-video, and component) for streaming. Obviously an HD card that uses HDMI isn't going to work...So I need a decent SD card. Any suggestions?

>>2751501
Then why don't we make a new graphic that says spending more than $200 for a 20" BVM is stupid?

I'll write that shit up if someone wants, but I have 0 photoshop skills.

>>2752463
supposedly PEXHDCAP60L is "shut up and take my money" tier. There was a comparison chart but I can't find it anymore. All I remember is that it was the clear winner.

>>2752495

Well, I wish I had that kind of money, but I don't...Anything less expensive but decent?

>>2752509
Avermedia h727
it's decent, had composite s-video component hdmi (no rgb support tho)
but sometimes it's a bitch to get it to synch to the color burst and even then it shows huge glitches like a vertical bar in the middle, mainly for composite.

>>2752509
Empia 28285 is what I have.
I didn't tested the audio inputs, non-interlaced works perfect for component.

Long time reader, first time poster.

Saw a nice looking CRT dumped on a street near me this morning, Sony, flat screen, maybe about 21'. Inputs looked like two SCART, component and composite. Really tempted to try lug it to my apartment if it's still there this evening, but worried it probably doesn't work any more (then I have to deal with disposing of it myself)

>>2752468
Would that statement apply to the multiformat (240p/480i/480p/720p/1080i compatible) versions of the BVM as well? What's the community's opinion on how to gauge the prices for that anyways (The D series, specifically. I already know the A series doesn't always come with an Analog Card and doesn't have the same card slot type as the regular BVMs).

Mini-rant below:
I don't want to be a downer to anyone but the apparent rise in prices isn't shocking at all if you have even a basic grasp of economics. With a static supply of healthy working monitors of high quality, no further production of any more units/parts, and demand that is only rising with a community becoming more aware of their existence, the supply vs. demand principle comes into effect. If more people want more of something but there is less available, the prices tend to rise due to a lack of abundance in the "market".

>>2752342
habeeb it

>>2752537
I'd say the only time you should pay over $200 for a set is if it's got very low hours AND it's a top end BVM, F1 sets and the likes. PVMs shouldn't be over 100 with the exception of the 20L5 (~150), and no one should ever pay more than $20 for a FD trinitron. Ever. That shit needs to be stopped right now.

And since the demand won't go down, the only thing we can do is try to get all the dumb normies with money to lowball the fuck out of the ebay shills. Some of these guys simply don't know what they are worth and have more money than sense, and because of them all of us are having to deal with sellers trying to move BVMs for $600.

Has anyone had any experience with this eBay seller when it comes to video cables?

>http://www.ebay.com/itm/NINTENDO-GAMECUBE-S-VIDEO-HIGH-QUALITY-FULLY-SHIELDED-GROUNDED-GC-SVIDEO-/201449980260?hash=item2ee75ac164:g:bowAAOSwPcVVtnkk

I am looking to get an s-video cable to use on both my GameCube and snes. This cable shows the signs of being high quality like having thick cables in general and using a thicker cable for the s-video. If I were to only use my intuition, I would say that the cable would be worth a purchase. But, it never hurts to ask others for their opinions.

>>2752546
Normie buying power can't be regulated like that once shit hits meme status. I see intentional undervaluing on this board in many threads all the time, as if it's possible to lower prices by repetition and sheer will.

>>2746045
Sorry for noticing late. It looks your PVM is set to YPbPr and is missing the Y (luma) component. Your console appears to deliver a YPbPr signal. Check that all the wires are in place on both the monitor and the console and that there's not bad contacts.

>>2751549
looks like it's just a tv bro

>>2751572
SOTN was made for 240p so it will look weird on 480p

>>2752569
Replying to myself: the Y component also carries the sync, so I doubtful. Even if it was S-Video, the picture wouldn't sync at all (luma also carries the sync). So, is that Genesis using external sync, along with Y, Pb and Pr components?

>>2752618
Well the monitor can handle the sync internally can't it?

I need your help /vr/

I have a Macbook and a CRT with component input. Will I be able to output a nice image with a Firewire/HDMI to Component cable?

what is the best position for a tv to be with regards to my head?

same level as my head, or a bit over my head?
as I kid I played on the floor with my head looking up.

>>2752568
Better than doing nothing.

>>2752546
>>2752568
1st off, everything is circumstantial.

I got my 36 inch trinitron for free, but paid $100 to have it picked up, delivered and put in place by movers.

But for a TV that you are able to move and transport yourself, $20 is a good price. I wouldnt feel bad spending $50 on a nice 27incher.

>>2752568
Since the PVMs have reached meme status because Sony CRTs were unwanted and unloved we have to find the "NEW" unwanted and unloved item and recommend item.

This is an un-natural alternative but a basic 4:3 lcd screen computer monitors are easily available locally for $30 and under. Toss in a scanline generator and you could get a pretty nice desk set up.

How big were 4:3 lcd monitors made? I know you can get 17ins and 19ins, did they ever go any bigger than that?

>>2752817
4/3 lcds are early tech, with loads of ghosting and bad response times.

>>2752824
Then how about those bulky original computer monitors.

I know that a bunch of those Dell monitors were made by Sony tubes. Should be high quality right?