/vr/ - Retro Games

If you didn't experience when the NES was first released, then you're piece of shit.

>>2721165
No. I couldn't give a shit.

>>2721169
Yeah I tell myself that, but then I remember I'm getting old and I will probably die like 20 years before said piece of shit

>>2721179
You worry about shit you have no control over. That's pretty sad. Like you're jealous of a kid just because he's younger.

You're either extremely depressed or autistic.

>>2721184
If so, he needs to learn that depression gives death meaning, like, thank god it's over.

There's a weird feeling whenever I see someone comment on a PS2-era game and say something like "If you can get over the old graphics, there's a really good game here"

>>2721184
Yeah, pining for the simplistic joy of youth is a harmfully abnormal human feeling and probably indicative of mental illness. Level thinking, anon.

>you can't control it! Why are you worried about it!
You seem like the only one displaying an autistic lack of empathy.

Call him a crybaby bitch if you want, but nostalgia and a fear of aging are pretty normal feelings for all people.

>>2721196
No. It's not normal. I enjoy growing older. I have a good life. I don't sit and worry about stuff I have absolutely no control over. What's the point in worrying about growing old or the past? Pretty sad tbh.

Nostalgic feels are great. I feel happy to have the and memories of the past. Do I sit around and worry about it and feel sad I'm not a kid anymore? No. Not at all.

Here's a tip: Accomplish half your life goals by middle age

>>2721202
But there's just SO many games to play.

The Teens React videos on youtube trigger me.

/v/'s approach to /vr/ is funny to me

it's very serious.

"I only buy digital games because switching discs is too much work lol"

>>2721165
Bitch please, childhood for me was Enduro and River Raid

>>2721171
This is the attitude to have. You know what the good games are. If someone younger shows off their inexperience by praising their 6th gen childhood games, what skin is it off your back, OP?

>>2721165
it's probably just a symptom of your own dissatisfaction with what you achieved in life?

like if you had a wife and a great job and a degree and were making payments on your mortgage with money left over to support your hobbies, if you were doing well in life

you'd probably just be like "haha. kids."

you feel insecure because you made none of that progress. you think "i'm old" and it makes you sad because you reaped none of the benefits of the passage of time

>>2721238
I'm glad you don't give a shit by asking OP to consider his feelings.

>>2721239
>you'd probably just be like "haha. kids."

You've studied the Greeks already, haven't you.

The gen before us probably cringed with our attitudes in the past too, and so the gen before them and so on

>>2721165
Nah. But on the other end of the spectrum I'm heartened and s little impressed when I hear someone much younger talk about stuff like SMB or Commander Keen or any other older games with due reverence.

>>2721254
You probably think video games are art.

>>2721253
I'm just happy I got to experience the /vr/ renaissance when it was new. You can only imagine the excitement.

>>2721218
Our childhood is their history. We're not the youngest generation anymore. Get used to it, it only gets crazier from here.

>>2721259
The fact that I can laugh at the situation is an indicator of my comfort level.

>>2721262
Yeah, when I was a kid I couldn't wait to be an old man so I could be as eccentric as I wanted to be.

>>2721263
Wonder why you held it in.

>>2721169
I experienced the release of the Master System, which had equivalent popularity in my country.

>>2721268
hue?

>>2721246
Fuck feelings. You let your emotions get control of you and you end up on tumblr. Alphas live by cold, hard reason and rationale.

>>2721270
I'm sorry that video games don't make you feel anything.

>>2721273
I'm sorry you still live with your parents.

>>2721268
gee, I wonder if you're brazilian

>>2721270
That's misogynistic AND ableist.

>>2721278
I thought the master system was huge in europe.

>>2721195
I was born in 95 and have feel the same way.
I'm not sure if its because I grew up with a handmedown snes or whatever other reason, because I still consider ps2 graphics good. Maybe it has more to do with games having to use stylization instead of realism for the most part still.

I don't comprehend how people can pass on a video game because of its graphics.

>>2721302
96 here.
I never got it either. If I only cared about graphics, I would have passed on Metal Gear Solid. I mean seriously, their talking animations in just about any cutscene are ridiculous. It's still a great game, though.

>>2721302
you don't really know what it's like at all, man

>>2721267
For... social rreasons? But now that I'm secure with a wife and kids I don't really mind the wild swings of popularity that come from iconoclastic behavior.

>>2721278
No, Australian.

>>2721257
not that guy but it's pretty obvious that videogames are an artistic medium

in much the same way that cinema is, that doesn't mean that Star Wars is art or that Citizen Kane is entertaining

>watch some gameplay video of game released in 2008 or something
>read comments
>some comments say stuff like "wow, I played this game when I was a kid!"
>tfw

Where did the time go?

>>2721327
Good art uses emotions to change your mind.

Video games are just mind athletics.

>>2721250
I try to absorb philosophy without explicitly studying it or taking it very seriously, so that I might construct an understanding of life that is flexible and somewhat useful

>>2721332
Let me know when you get there.

>>2721330
>implying
Yeah, there are many games that exist just to be enjoyed, much like your latest summer blockbuster. There are also plenty of smaller, more artistic games, just like your latest entries in the Cannes Film Festival.

Don't be dense, anon.

>>2721336
Interactive narratives aren't games.

>>2721336
If video games are art then so is synchronized swimming.

>>2721340
That would be more like a shitty book.

>>2721341
But anon, it is considered a performance art and is descended from ballet. So yes, it is art.

>>2721352
It's a white trash version.

>>2721336
Go back to reddit, we don't need your cancer around here. /vr/ stands for a time before you "video games r art!!" fags came around.

>>2721328

I still feel like only NES era stuff and below are considered retro at times then I remember that playing something on playstation in 95 was 20 years ago and not just a few years back.

>>2721378
From Coleco/Atari to NES was history's big leap.

I don't really talk to enough people for this kind of thing to occur. That being said, my close friends reminisce about Halo, which is fine I guess, but I wish I had some IRL retro buds to play games with.

It annoys me a bit, but as other anon said it's not something you have control over, and honestly I don't care if people outlive me. I don't like how technology is evolving and I'm not sure if I will like the future, I'm already not liking the present 2015, I'm severely disappointed, this is not the 2015 I imagined as a kid. It's too boring and social networks suck dicks, which is why I'm on 4chan I guess.

As for videogames, it's good that kids obsess over old games I think, maks me feel my childhood was way better than theirs (which I'm sure it is) and also my old consoles and games are worth more money than they did originally.

>>2721410
Nobody likes new things more as they age (except for brilliant scientists, maybe...)

>>2721435
people with high IQs like to keep learning well into old age

I mean unless they end up with soul-crushing depression or something

>>2721440
most of them probably already had that. the discovery that your consciousness is nothing special and is only the result of a large cluster of nerve endings is pretty sad. None of us are special or have a purpose :( must be nice being a christfag and just having that nice cushion of ignorance to lay on.

>>2721435

I don't know, plenty, if not ALL, of the people I know my age, love social networks. Or at least they are doing an excellent job at hiding their dislike for it.

I'm the only one I know that doesn't use Facebook, for example. Even my parents use it.

>>2721456
as indicates a continuing process, in this case indicating the older your get generally correlates to your being less impressed by new art

i don't consider facebook art

unless we'll just say everything is art and make the word useless

How the fuck is this retro video games? Fuck off

>>2721440
learning has nothing to do with art

try to keep your mind within the context of this thread, or return to your mindless video games

either is fine with me

>>2721471
See?>>2721169

wtf is going on itt

>>2721474
i dont c it at all, mang

If you smoke pot, video games become art.

>>2721479
mind rape

it's an invisible video game

>>2721198
>No. It's not normal.

Not the anon you're bitching at but it's normal. If it wasn't normal we wouldn't be so obsessed with youth, immortality, etc as a species.

Something tell me that in >>2721184
>You're either extremely depressed or autistic.
was you projecting like a god damn lighthouse in the storm that is your own life my friend. .


Totally unrelated is there any game similar in nature to Air Fortress or was that a fart of perfection that Hal let out and no one followed suit?

>>2721447
Dude I'm a precognitive esper speak for yourself I'm special as all heck

>>2721473
but anon art helps us learn about each other :)

>>2721328

http://www.theonion.com/article/fourth-grader-named-jackson-to-someday-fire-you-35370

>>2721494
Baraduke and Bakutotsu Kijuutei, maybe?

>>2721504
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDii69YCh_Q

>>2721498

I'm a ninja snowflake nigga.

>>2721328
>in 2008 they were 5
>now they're 12
>that 2008 game came out over half of their time alive ago

>>2721165
>teens
I've had people older than me call me a hipster just because I still play on old systems.

>>2721887
Heh.

>>2721165
I think everything is all right with you.
I don't care about the game age anymore.

>>2721216

but those are designed to do just that.

>>2721456
I deactivated my facebook a couple of years ago. I'm not a fan of social networks, but I get the appeal.

but I like the idea of anonymity better. I don't like how online communications have shifted to this weird system where everything is connected back to you personally. to me, one of the biggest benefits of the internet is the ability to anonymously voice whatever you feel like saying, without the fear of judgment. there's no lens to see an anonymous message through- no background or context. just words. all biases go out the window.

that's what I like about 4chan and why I use it so much.

>>2721987
fuck you

>>2721987

Agreed. Whenever I argued with someone on Facebook and I didn't know them, they'd go check my profile and then use personal ad-hominem to continue the debate, instead of focusing on just what's being discussed.

In 4chan is not too different though, I mean adhominem is still the rule, but here we're all faggots, nobody really cares.

>>2721990
this tbh

>>2722003
>here we're all faggots

He thinks he's among his own kind, guys.

>>2722016

shut up, faggot

>>2722016
Quit being homophobe, fam.

>>2721302
Honestly, the only consoles I can think of with consistently ugly graphics were the early 3d consoles like the ps1, especially early on. Just look at how ugly the models are in one of the iconic games on the console like FFVII.

Later games got a lot prettier though. Just compare FFIX to FFVII.

>>2722019
>>2722021
Look. Two different shots in the dark. Sad.

>>2722026
It's true though, you shouldn't be a homophobe, we are a diverse imageboard.

>>2722023
Getting away from graphics for a moment and back to the issue at hand: there will never be as big of a quantum leap from "this" to "that" in video games as what occurred in the 80s.

>>2722029
Thank you for agreeing with me that we aren't all faggots.

>>2722032
>>2722026

You are a faggot who can't even handle a little banter.

You are a real life Faggot.

>>2722035
im bi

>>2722036
You're only half faggot, that's cool.

>>2722040
how did you figure that out?

>>2722030
With VR becoming a thing with each day I don't know, I'm sure that will be a pretty big leap in all senses if it manages to take off, if the industry doesn't completely collapse by the time VR is profitable that is.

>>2721165
>walk through my neighborhood
>see home-made playhouse painted up by parents
>has various designs on it for the kids
>one of the designs has "Gears of W" painted
>it's because the mom probably didn't want to paint War
Gave me feels, tbh. I'm glad I grew up with NES/SNES/N64/PSX when games were generally more innocent.

>>2722050
But then there was Mortal Kombat on the Sega Genesis which was all about the gore and extreme advertising.

>>2722045
there's countless toys in countless mediums that get sold on ebay. someone told me that it's generally a 10 year cycle for sellers to cash in on another's nostalgia.

>>2722052
It wasn't nearly so pervasive and the censorship climate was a lot more intense.

MK1 was censored on SNES, for example. Blood was sweat.

>>2722050
You grew up in an era with Contra, shit like Robocop Vs. Terminator, Mortal Kombat, shit hasn't changed you just need to take off your rose tinted glasses.

>>2722063
>envy

it's just reverse jealously

you can measure it in how strong the denial is

>>2722063
Those were all cartoons of barely distinguishable blurs shooting pellets at aliens and robots.

I disagree. Things are a lot more visceral and intense today.

>>2722065
It helps make up for your lack of imagination.

>>2722065
>walk through my neighborhood
>see home-made playhouse painted up by parents
>has various designs on it for the kids
>one of the designs has "Mortal K" painted
>it's because the mom probably didn't want to paint Kombat
Gave me feels, tbh. I'm glad I grew up with Atari/Magnavox Odyssey/Colecovision when games were generally more innocent.

>>2722061
What does that have to do with VR though?
>>2722063
Maybe it's just me but all the Robocops and Terminator stuff is a bit different from most of the gore we get today, I mean, deep down all those things even Stallone or Arnie movies had some kind of finnicky moral at the end of it or some sort of humour and self awareness of their cheesy and ridiculous nature that made the shows not so gritty and serious, Mortal Kombat was like all those gory OVA of the 90's though, gore for the sake of it, though not even as graphically impressive and satisifying as OVAs.

Now it seems to me that stuff like Gears of War or Cawadoody don't have much of that, there's some kind of sterile, puerile fascination with violence for the sake of violence, which is very similar to what I mentioned before mind you, but even then, I still think that back then there was something more to it, it might have been because of the limitations in technology or something but the modern gore and violence don't seem quite the same as the old ones, or maybe I'm just older and have nostalgia googles, I don't really know.

I mean, Big Trouble in Little China sure did have gore and stuff but it was used differently, it was like DMC gore, either dramatic or comedic.

>>2722076
>What does that have to do with VR though?

What narrow aspect of retro video games would you like to have board discussions narrowed to?

>>2722075
>ALL GENERATIONS ARE THE SAME NOTHING EVER CHANGES

When will this retard meme die? If you grew up pre-PSX or on Nintendo products, you didn't have access to convincing gore. It's that simple.

>>2722082
>you didn't have access to convincing gore

You could get that in movies, hun. That generation was well fulfilled.

>>2722082

Are you implying that convincing gore in video games didn't start until the PS?
Or that Nintendo's MK II wasn't full-on gore since the beginning? The whole Mortal Kombat blood thing was with the first one. MK II on wards all had blood in them.

We were filled on the subject, and also getting porn wasn't hard either. My friend's older brothers had tons of porn and even hentai/porn comic books. And the same old man who owned the old book store we used to buy comics from, didn't mind if we took a porn magazine or two.

I'll give you that kids today have it easier though. Everything is at the tip of their fingers. No needing teenage older brothers, or actually buying physical porn not online.

Not annoyed, just saddened by the passage of time.

>>2722164
You must be really enjoying your life to be sad about it passing behind you.

>>2722167

>>2721165
0/5. Made me google ''Gears of War 1''.

>>2721229
Bitch please, childhood for me was pinball and pong.

>>2722167
Jesus man, you want him to kill himself or what?

I stopped coming here for a month and what do i find ?
/v/.

>>2721341
you're an idiot

>>2722187
I usually hate when people say this but the past few days or so truly have been tragically bad, sparse posting and much of it trolling.

I don't because I generally don't go to places where I would read posts like that. But it does blow my mind that someone who was 10 when GoW came out could now be in their early years of college... and despite that sounding like a large span of time, my first year of college 9 years ago feels like fucking yesterday.

>>2722314

I wasn't kidding either, i abandoned this website besides /m/.
Today i see this shit and some other thread with /pol/ or /v/ level arguments, what the fuck ? is this another shithole now ?

>>2722187
/vr/ is more pathetic than /v/, tbh. Too many people can't come to terms with the fact that everything becomes retro eventually.

Even /v/'s memes and style of posts. In enough time, we'll be talking about the PS3 and PS vita as great retro systems.

>>2722341
Well, at least you're not shilling whatever glorified shithole you browse now. So, I'll give you that much.

>>2721165
No. Everything gets old soon enough, anon.

>>2722353
>In enough time
See you in thirty years then.

>>2721165
no, im not an autistic faggot, you probably like dadcore rock and complain how music sucks today dont you? Please don't use homer simpson for your shitty threads OP

>>2722361
shitfied gloryhole

>>2721327
Why isn't Star Wars art? Why the fuck isn't Citizen kane entertaining?

Art can be etertaining, and entertainment can be art. However art doesn't have to be entertaining and entertainment certainly doesn't have to be art so I think that's why you're confused.

>>2721330
>Good art uses emotions to change your mind.
According to whom? Did you just pull that out of your ass?

Firstly, the fact that you used "good" here shows me you don't know what you're talking about. Whether something is art or not has no bearing whatsover on its quality. You can have worthless art and excellent art. So when we're talking about whether video games are art or not, whether they're good art is completely irrelevent.

Second, on the "change your mind" part, where the fuck are you getting the from? Did you mean to say "make you think" instead? That'd make much more sense. The 9th Symphony never changed my mind about anything, however I wouldn't hesitate to call it good art.

I've yet to hear a good argument for why games can't be art. The thing that separates the from film is that they're interactive, so you need to explain why interactivity inherently excludes a medium from becoming art.

>>2721357
I'm sure /vr/ wouldn't appreciate you dictating what they stand for. Why don't you shut the fuck up?

>>2722379
It's just "dadrock."

>>2721165
My childhood ended in the 80's, so lots of things didn't exist. But there were other things, like arcades, and lots of pinball machines. Some of those things are probably gone forever now too. I remember big halls full of old electro-mechanical machines (from the 50's and 60's probably), and not just pinball but weird stuff like baseball games with figurines that move, etc. This was all part of a big fairground, and really just a minor attraction compared to the huge number of rides and roller coasters, etc. But those electro-mechanical things were already old when I was a kid, and I'm guessing many of them have broken over the years, etc. Must be over 30 years since I set foot in that place, no idea what it's like today.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennywood

Of course, more "modern" (70's and 80's) pinball and arcade machines were all over the place, even throughout the 90's. Not so much anymore though.

Times change, enjoy your own experiences.

>>2722384
...eww, anon.

>>2721165
>If you didn't play Gears of War 1 you totally had no childhood

I think this kind of statement is so triggering to a lot of adults because:

1. the poster is a child
2. implies the reader is also a child
3. implies that GoW is a good enough game to make or break one's childhood

>>2722023
I dont consider the models in ff7 ugly
they convey what they are supposed to be fairly well except for bugenhagen.

>>2722353

>not coming into terms with what is retro is more pathetic than the level of bullshit /v/ has

k

>>2721165
well it's pretty cringe-y because Im older than them and as far back as I can remember if I tried to hang with older kids regardless of how good at skateboarding or gaming I was I was just a little fucking shit cramping style and that's the way it should be. It's natural bro.

>>2722394
>>2721330

Good as in effective, sweetheart.

Gears of War came out when I was in college bruh.

Fuck, I'm old....

>>2722394
>Why isn't Star Wars art? Why the fuck isn't Citizen kane entertaining?
I'm sure they are in the same sense that ketchup is food.

>>2723263
Everything is everything. Labels are meaningless, especially when you're a piece of shit.

>>2723063
My point still applies. You can have effective and inneffective art based upon whatever criteria you happen to be using, but even inneffective art is still art.

In a discussion on whether or not a certain medium is art, effectiveness should not come into it.

Just remember, guys. Every current & future ignorant teen can potentially grow up to be a hipster who jumps late on the retro gaming bandwagon, driving up prices even higher!

>>2721487
DUDE WEED LMAO

>>2722394
>Why the fuck isn't Citizen kane entertaining?
Did you actually watch the movie?

>>2723972
Yup, therefore everything is art and the word is meaningless.

>>2724272
Don't jump off the deep end just because somebody mentioned cannabis, its a part of a lot of people's lives

>>2724568
only if your degerate scum :^)

>>2724573
is that the kind of thing you say to pacify your anxiety when other people don't accept you and don't like having you around

>>2724587
I was actually kidding ;^)
anyway I'm glad I'm not a drug junkie, you guys are a bunch of whiny babbies

>>2724285
His great grandfather did.

>>2721165

motherfucker i was 26 when that shit came out and i'd already been gaming for 23 years. grow the fuck up. trying to act all old n shit. puh leez.

>>2725248
To be fair, Halo is very close to the retro cutoff point for /vr/.

>>2725519
>taking a joke seriously

never change /v/

>>2722379
>implying Simpsons isn't the epitome of things that got worse with age

>>2725579
If I took it seriously I would have raged about how those games "aren't retro." What I was saying is that all jokes and memes aside, Halo basically is a retro game.

>>2725519
Except Halo isn't nor ever will be a classic. It'll just be old. It's also not 'retro' it's a modern game.

>A classic is an outstanding example of a particular style, something of lasting worth or with a timeless quality

Unless you want to consider it classic pile of shit babbys first FPS. But really, no one does that.

>>2725626
It's more classic than something like Metroid Prime tbh.

>>2725626
Halo is a 15 year old game. It's too old to be"babby's first FPS." A lot of gamers weren't even in their double digits age-wise when the game was released. It's just a couple of years outside of the /vr/ date range. I'm sorry if it makes you feel old, but Halo is not a new game anymore, and a lot of people do consider it a classic.

>>2725648
i think he meant it wasnt influential enough
anyway this argument is immature.

>>2725620
Thus, taking the joke seriously.

>>2725665
>Halo
>Not influential

Halo just made games three dimensional. Whoopie.

>>2725675
Bullshit, Mass Effect was the first 3D game

>>2725673
Aw shucks, you win ;)

>>2725679
See how unimportant it is...

>>2725681
Even if you think Halo is the worst think ever made, you have to admit that half of every FPS that came afterwards copied it in some way.

>>2725693
That's true.

>>2725693
It just wasn't that exciting. People who enjoy FPS lack brain cells.

>>2721165
I don't know what kind of feels it provokes within me but they come out as stupid whenever I read one of those posts on Facebook

I mean, it was 1989 when I got my first console and it was an Atari 2600. everyone had a NES but I still had a lot of fun with the Atari, even though I knew the games were older than me.

>>2721165
No. It's sad they never will never know what its like to live somewhere that isn't a police state.

>>2721165
Not really, but it does surprise me how a lot of games that I once considered "new" are getting to be a decade old or more by now.

>>2725745
It doesn't surprise me because I grew out of video games once I became an adult.

>>2725749
I grew out and went back into them again many times, repeatedly.

>>2725754
Makes me fee more mature. Thanks.

>>2725749
Why exactly are you here if you "grew out of" video games?

>gears of war
>childhood

Nope. Call me old-fashioned, but I think kids who play games suited for children have a better time.

I consider myself lucky since consoles pretty much grew up with me. NES in the early childhood, SNES in my early teenager years and finally the PSX when I had my "dark and edgy" phase and after that I pretty much switched over to PC gaming (got my first PC in 1998, best year of PC gaming, imo).

>>2725780
Somehow I found the ability to talk about things of the past.

>>2725789
Dude, kids watched horror movies and played gory war games all the time in the 90s. It was the era that gave us NARC, Smash TV, Mortal Kombat, Alien, Rambo, etc.

>>2721165
You know, I used to feel that way until I realized that shitty people with shitty opinions are just shitty people, has nothing to do with age.

I knew that "My first game was Halo" stories were logically going to happen, but if that person can't appreciate games that came before them, then fuck them. I know how to do that with games that came before me, those games can be favorites and appreciated as well.

>>2725805
I pity them. They will never experience what you did.

>>2724285
I could ask you the same thing. I can't tell if you're saying the movie was shit or that it was super serious and therfore not entertaining.

It's one of the most dynamic movies I've ever seen in terms of camera movement. Literally every shot deserves close attention. I'm not saying it's entertaining in the sense an action film is, but yes it's fun as hell.

>>2726609
Some people don't think films are as immersive as video games. They'd rather have simple pleasure than work their brain to absorb a work of art.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNgZFxAnKtA

>>2725809
True, but in a lot of ways their first experiences could have been good in their own ways.

The only thing I pity children growing up with today's games is their mainstream aspect and the existence of internet.

Essentially the social and qualitative aspect of enjoying games is pretty fucked, and I can see that in the less engaged stares kids have as they mindlessly play free mobile games on their parents' cell phones. Today it's so easy to get sucked away by what's popular and easy to get into that they'll never have an adventure choosing games that companies and third parties HAD to labor on to grab your attention, rather than companies with a refined formula, media campaign and global status to keep up.

So yeah the internet probably destroyed what was once a really in-depth and unique experience, but I'd like to think there are at least some parents out there with some taste and patience who can set their children up with the good stuff in the right ways with all the years of experience they have from video games.

>>2727440
The grass is always greener, but nothing will ever beat the power-up in video gamedom when NES was released.

>>2725749
But trolling keeps you young at heart

>>2727470
young at heart is a meaningless idiom

>>2727485
The only idiom I see here is you, retard

>>2727490
thank you for your responses

When the hell did this board get so hostile? For awhile, the most people flamed each other about were filters.

>>2727503
Don't worry, mommy and daddy are just having adult talk. Now, go back your other thread.

>>2727507
>Mommy and Daddy

Which one are you?

>>2727663
whichever voice in your head is the softest

This whole thread is cancer. Kill yourselves.

>>2727695
Cancer can't be killed. It can only go into remission.

>>2727503
since trolls everywhere

>>2727714
you mean the beginning

>>2727734
I think he meant the beginning of the board not your beginning to come here.

>>2721625
>>in 2008 they were 5
>>now they're 12

>>2729237
>in 2 years they'll start posting here, asking why they can't talk about Halo 3.