/vr/ - Retro Games

Those mid 80s Capcom games were very memorization-based, you simply don't like that type of difficulty.

>>2718756
>artificial difficulty
You missed /v/

>>2718776
Stop assuming things about me.

Find me another Capcom game from that time that has traps like Black Dragon that are completely invisible until you trigger them.

Go on. I'll wait.

>>2718778
How would you know it's /v/ if you yourself are not a /v/ user?

>>2718780
Trojan, Gun.Smoke and Tiger Road are a lot harder than Black Dragon, if you suck at Black Dragon those games are beyond you.

>>2718808
>Find me another Capcom game from that time that has traps like Black Dragon that are completely invisible until you trigger them.

I'm still waiting.

Don't avoid my question and go off on a tangent.

And once again you're assuming things. Gun.Smoke is one of my fave arcade games of all time, and I'm quite good at it. I can beat the difficult arcade version using a quarter, and no I don't use autofire.

I'm not complaining about difficulty, I'm talking about fucking traps that are designed to kill the unaware player.

Nice of you to completely miss my point.

>>2718841
Your point is pretty dumb anyway, the falling rocks have a recognizable SFX so they are quite avoidable, many of them are visible before falling too. You sound like you desperately want to start a discussion.

>>2718841
>I'm not complaining about difficulty
>I'm talking about fucking traps that are designed to kill the unaware player.

>I don't complain when the game's hard
>But when the game's hard I complain

try SonSon II

Spiritual Sequel on PC Engine, difficult but beatable

also has a translation patch and fansite with maps and items here

>http://www.changevworld.com/sonson2/sonson2.htm

>>2718889
Oh no, wanting to start a discussion on a discussion forum.

Usually when somebody bitches about "artificial difficulty" it's something that would be bullshit if it worked the way the complainer described it, but it doesn't actually work that way

But I haven't played OP's game so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Guess it's like Black Tiger?

>>2718937
>But I haven't played OP's game so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I doubt anyone here has. People here are too quick to defend everything even without knowing what the issue is about.

Imagine this.

>Play Black Tiger
>Fun albeit shallow game
>One of the easiest arcade games to 1cc
>Very relaxed and comfy game to spend 40 minutes on with 1 quarter

>Play Black Dragon
>Expect the same thing as Black Tiger
>Same game for the most part, except now there are about 3x as many falling rock traps placed in spots with other distractions (enemies, ledges, etc) that are meant to kill you

Basically, Capcom realized that Black Tiger was too damn easy, so when it came time for the Japanese release (Black Dragon came out after Tiger), they took the easiest route possible of adding difficulty to the game.

I guess it's the exception, because Japanese version of games are usually the easiest.

>>2718756
>>2718780
>>2718841
>>2718934

Hello there friend. You appear to have gotten lost. Here is a board that might suit you better:

>>>/v/

>>2719029
Are you autistic or just very sheltered? Are you unable to take any criticism of things you like?

>>2719046
Hello there friend. You appear to have gotten lost. Here is a board that might suit you better:

>>>/v/

>>2719102
Okay, buddy, see you there.

saged
Why are you so defensive OP?
As >>2718889 said, rocks have a falling sound effect, so you shouldn't die to them after 3 or 4 times playing.
And when your point gets refuted you jump to this >>2718934 for some reason

Its like you don't want to be wrong, but still can't accept the right facts.

>>2719120
Because his point was irrelevant. Even with the sound effect, the rocks will hit you the first few times you play through the game. Let's take a new player who starts with Black Dragon (not Black Tiger), he'll make it to a certain point in the game where a hidden trap kills him. He dies to it 2-3 times for him to get it into his muscle memory to avoid that trap in the future. Except, the problem is that he has to go through the same process again and again for other hidden traps deeper into the game.

Arbitrary traps are not good game design. That's my point.

>Its like you don't want to be wrong, but still can't accept the right facts.
I was never even proven wrong, fam.

>Black Tiger is the casual version
>Black Dragon is the hardcore version
Bitch about the hardcore version because it's too hard.

I still don't get your point OP, just play Black Tiger and quite bitching like a little girl.

>>2719163
If you don't get my point then you're just stupid.

and you probably haven't even played Black Dragon yet.

>>2719140
Its an arcade game, you should know what bullshit to expect already

>>2719140
You will never win this. Nothing that makes the game harder can ever be bad, you just have to git gud. /vr/troopers will die a thousand times on this hill before they will give it up.

I have played black dragon tons and never even realized the rocks were an issue. OP is a shitty I think. Shitty at viddy OP end your life.

>>2718778
>>2719029
>>2719102
>MUH VEE

>>>/a/

I usually only make threads like these when i've rage quit because i suck too much. Everyone just hears whining anon. If it is too difficult and you aren't enjoying it, why the fuck do you persist on playing it? Its like banging your head against a brick wall then blaming the wall for hurting you. You want someone to reprogram the game to suit your ideal difficulty level? Fuck off with your whining shit. Yes old games have flaws, but no one is forcing you to play the fucking thing.

You guys mad, bros?

aaaaand no one in this thread has even played Black Dragon.

>>2719594
because were not little ADD modern gamer retards like OP and realize the traps actually have a cue as to when they go off? Fuck off kid.

>all these faggots missing the point
>all these faggots defending cheap shit
>g-g-git g-gud f-faget c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-casual

Whatever, man. Arcade games are supposed to be bullshit. I get it. But you'd think they could have added something a little bit more cerebral than "falling traps, lol" whether it has a cue or not. What they did was a shitty, uninspired way to add "difficulty"

>>2719623
It doesn't add difficulty though it just adds a few extra button presses the game is still fuckin easy. If your brain is too retarded to associate a motor reflex to a sound cue maybe you shouldnt be gaming.

>>2719617
What about deaf gamers you goddamn nigger? Or what if someone is kidnapped and terrorists hold a gun to your head and tell you to 1cc this game or else they'll blow your brains out and drop a nuclear bomb on San Francisco. B-b-b-but I c-c-c-can't hear anything? I need headphones, b-b-bruh. M-m-muh audio cues! And then what if they say 'no headphones stupid American asshole.'

What then, nigger?

>>2719658
LOL I would love to see you play counter strike.

>>2719654
I'm not saying it throws me off.
I'm just saying it's a lazy way to add "difficulty" whether it actually achieves that or not. Did you not actually understand what I said?

>>2719669
it doesn't add difficulty though it just adds extra work, the medusa heads on the second loop of castlevania don't make the game any harder. If you think they do it's because you're bad. It's just more tedious and therefore more oppurtunity to fuck up. If you fuck up that is your own fault for not paying attention.

>>2719673
...Hence why I said "difficulty" Goodness.

>>2719673
It's not the difficulty that is the point.

It's the cheap game design. It's the tacked-on nature of it.

>>2719679
how can it be cheap game design when it keep away retards like you?

>>2719682
That literally makes no sense.

Also, I love Bubble Bobble. What's the point of posting it?

>>2719686
My reaction image folder its corrupt and I had Bub on my desktop

>>2719689
Do you like Bubble Symphony (part 2) and Bubble Memories (part 3)?

>>2719694
No, only the OG Bubble Bobble

>>2719623
So? Write them a letter explaining that they should build a fucking time machine, reconsider the whole falling rock problem you are having since you are clearly the authority on this topic and add something "more cerebral"

Consider the following:
> load up black dragon
> oh look at that, more rocks
> this sucks, i prefer black tiger
> turns off black dragon
Pretty simple solution cocksucker.

>>2718756
>le artificial difficulty meme
the entire fucking game is "artificial", so how does that make some of the "difficulty" more "artificial" then the rest?

>>2719689
outline is a lower resolution than colored pixels

>>2720159
>muh semantics

>>2720163
semantics are important

>>2719673
>second loop of castlevania don't make the game any harder. If you think they do it's because you're bad
Did you read this before you pressed post

>>2720309
Yah the game is still piss easy just more tedious

Oh God, this game has atrocious background music. And you have to listen to a remixed version in every single stage.

Just because of the background music I can't stand this game.

>>2722620
It's worse in the Capcom Collection version, bad sound emulation

>all this dicussion and butthurt for such a mediocre game


Also, worst background music ever, and you have to listen to it on every stage. I played this game last night and woke up this morning with the fucking tinny-ass background tune in my head. Even at the moment I can't get that annoying shit out of my head.

Never touching this game again.

Garbage.

>>2722760
It's not that bad :(

Let's sing along the theme song, /vr/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPW1Gkrfmqk
DURRR DURRR DUDUDURRR
DURDUR DURDUR DUDUDURRR
DURDUR DURDUR DURDUR DURDUR
DURDUR DURDUR DUDUDURRR

>>2722775
That song is awful.

>>2722818
It starts to grow on you, mang

>>2719658
Jesus m8 calm down. You're never gonna finish the game of you keep rage pooping.

>>2722775
the real black tiger hit is the name entry music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AY05PBM2TH8

>>2718756
>I'm even worse at games than my ancestors for whom the Japanese already dumbed down games.
It seems the gotgud gene which resides on the the Y chromosome is steadily being bred out of the western population. But thanks for playing. Here's you're gold participation star.

>>2725005
The vast majority of games that were released Stateside were made HARDER not easier.

Looks like you need to brush up on your video game history.

>>2719452
>MUH EE

>>>/b/

>>2725009
Thats not true. Its a total crapshoot.

RPG's were generally made easier, action games could've been made easier or harder depending.

>>2719658
damn son

>>2725082
RPGs are irrelevant.

More often than not, action games were made harder, especially on consoles

>>2725005
What drives a man to this level of shitposting

>>2725009
>I regurgitated the first google thing I found on google
Good for you kiddo

>>2725270
Says the shitposting child

>>2719658
You're one step away from asking "what about the blind gamers?"

Games are an audio/visual activity, and by definition aren't necessarily going to be inclusive to people who have deficiencies regarding those elements. I'm not going to require that hurdles be shorter to accommodate dwarfs or paraplegics; they just can't participate properly because of limitations.

>>2725082
>>2725515

Here you go, fuckers, dozens of examples of games made harder or at least having the lower difficulty settings removed for US/International release:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DifficultyByRegion

>>2725515
>sucking this many cocks
Posting isn't for everyone

Perhaps you should take a break

>>2725547
>tvtropes

>>2722775
Holy shit that's bad

>>2725560
says the idiot posting on 4chan

>>2725547
And dozens of examples that show the original was harder. What kind of causal even considers the lower difficulty settings anyway? Oh, you and the reast of the summer crowd.

>>2725558
Shitposting isn't for everyone. Perhaps you should take a break

This is quite possibly the worst thread I've ever seen on this board. If we don't get some better moderation people are going to start leaving in droves, replaced by the angry teenagers and NEET early 20 somethings threads like this are full of.

>>2725737
There hasn't been a single drove here since two summers ago.

>>2725731
>Shitposting isn't for everyone. Perhaps you should take a break
>NO U
Jesus fuck stop or at least spellcheck your posts

>>2725737
>angry teenagers and NEET early 20 somethings
Welcome to 4chan

>>2718963
Mostly it's the other way around I think?

>>2726186
Nope, you're wrong, nigga.

RPGs are irrelevant because they're not skill-based

>>2726147
>he called my bullshit so I'll resort to asping over a typo. waaaaaaaa!

>>2718949
>Basically, Capcom realized that Black Tiger was too damn easy, so when it came time for the Japanese release (Black Dragon came out after Tiger), they took the easiest route possible of adding difficulty to the game.
Was is it with certain Japanese companies distributing their arcade games first in America before releasing in their native country? I think Konami used to do the same shit too.

I just 0 CC'd Black Dragon. OP is a fucking cuck.

>I was patient and waited
>LOL BET YOU USED SOUND WHAT ABOUT DEAF GAMERS

The sound cues are part of the game. Might as well ask what the blind gamers are going to do.

You a bitch nigga.

>>2725731
>dozens of examples that show the original was harder

No. The ratio of harder to easier is like 4 or 5 to 1. READ IT.

>casual
>summer

You know where you need to be, /v/. Jesus Christ, calling me summer in the middle of fucking October.

lmao i'm hard of hearing and beat this game 1cc . fucking pleb

>>2725737
>This is quite possibly the worst thread I've ever seen on this board

You haven't been here for a long time, have you?

>>2726254
>nigga
>>2727135
>You a bitch nigga.
>>2727135
>OP is a fucking cuck.
>>2727059
>asping over a typo

quality thread

>>2727148
>read a whole bunch of shit can tally the results because some sperglord says so.
No U

>>2727169
And you made it so much better.

>>2727526
Bump

>>2719140
>the rocks will hit you the first few times you play through the game
It's almost like they wanted people to keep playing it.

>>2727526
too stupid even for spoon feeding, oh well, try not to choke to death on your own drool

I think it's pretty cool that Capcom released this game for free on PSN as a starter game for Capcom Arcade Cabinet. You guys did know this, right? It has both the International and Japanese versions.

>>2725560
>hating on tvtropes
>posting pedophilia garbage

>>/v/

>>2727526
You did read it, didn't you. And you realized you were wrong and used dumb memes to try to cover your stupid ass right from the get-go.

>>2726186
I always thought so too, but it seems like the more I learn the more I find the opposite to be the case.

I think the assumption was planted into me by Super Mario Bros 2. They were right to not release that here because it was too long and demanding to not have a save feature (which the disk system original did have).

A few off the top of my head:

Ecco the Dolphin: Japanese version had save points throughout the levels. US version removed them.

Contra Hard Corps: Japanese version had a health bar. US version removed them.

Haunted Castle (Castlevania Arcade): US version has enemies doing 2-3x more damage, making it a great deal more difficult.

These were all done in the name of money, the home games for rentals and the arcades for quarters.

>>2730410
>I always thought so too, but it seems like the more I learn the more I find the opposite to be the case.

That's usually because "that kid" always talked shit about games being SOOOO much harder in Japan, and how Japanese kids are basically combat-bred super video game soldiers.

>>2730354
Not him, but TV Tropes is 20% useful information mixed in with 80% bullshit.

>>2730410
>Haunted Castle
Pretty much any Konami arcade is a harder in the US version.

>>2730436
>and how Japanese kids are basically combat-bred super video game soldiers
Well, Japanese arcade players are less likely to credit-feed than murricans, so probably that's why they have fairer arcades.

>>2730451
Didn't realize that it went for all Konami arcade games. Even beat'em ups?

>>2730436
And right, that's the stigma that was instilled in me by a past of "SMB2 was kept in Japan for being too hard" and "check out this japanese guy playing invisible tetris holy shit!" or Daigo doing it at 3S.

>>2730354
>Pedophilia garbage

How is the hot chick from Chrono Trigger pedophilia?

>>2730489
Yeah, Simpsons, TMNT, Turtles in Time, Metamorphic Force, Crime Fighter etc. All of them much harder in the US version.

>>2730410
>Ecco the Dolphin: Japanese version had save points throughout the levels. US version removed them.

Kek. ecco is a western game. japanese version ADDED them

inb4 m-muh semantics

>>2730519
Had no idea, in that case it's a rebalance more or less.

>>2730507
I never liked the time limit in the US version, if the operator wanted a harder game all they had to do was set the machine difficulty from 4 to 5 in the service menu.

>>2730912
It was bullshit. Turtles in Time USA is impossible to 1cc without exploiting the time limit bombs. Only one person in youtube has 1cc'ed game in default difficulty.

>>2718921
Cool. Confirmed my suspicion. First time I played Son Son II I immediately thought of Black Tiger. Even the layout of one level followed what I remembered from Black tiger.