/vr/ - Retro Games

===NEWS===

[09-26] Quake Live beta almost complete - keys available
>>2703896
https://twitter.com/SyncError/status/646877259534499841

[09-26] Monument (final version) released
https://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1401888
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom/Ports/m-o/monument

[09-25] The /newstuff/ Chronicles #483
https://www.doomworld.com/php/topstory.php?id=4495

[09-25] Ultimate Doom II: An in-progress expanded remake of Doom II (Note: nothing to do with Ultimate Doom!)
http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=46911

[09-24] Public Service Announcement: Do not compile GZDoom with both FMOD and OpenAL, it will break.
http://forum.drdteam.org/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=6698&p=57351

[09-22] WadC v2.0 released
https://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1419243

[09-21] DoomRL Arsenal v1.0 released
http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=37044

[09-20] Developer Opinion - Gun Feedback
https://youtu.be/tf-xxGkkWPs

[09-20] Anon's birthday cake >>2691441 >>2691447

[09-18] 50 Shades Of Graytall released (late news)
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/?id=18205

[09-18] The /newstuff Chronicles #482
https://www.doomworld.com/php/topstory.php?id=4489

[09-16] Doomworld now available via https
https://www.doomworld.com/
https://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1420875

[09-14] Icar2015: a 11-map set for Icarus, by Eternal
https://www.doomworld.com/vb/wads-mods/74589-icar2015/

[09-13] Strange Aeons v3.5
>>2679170
http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=49369

[09-12] Anon mod release: Mugshot / Ammo display HUD
>>2676321
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/48332341/dumbhud.pk3

[09-11] Reelism X3 released, right on schedule!
http://www.thekinsie.com/reelism/

[09-10] The /newstuff Chronicles #481
https://www.doomworld.com/php/topstory.php?id=4487

[09-08] Hocus Doom update
http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?p=858445#p858445

[09-05] Anon mod release: arrow.wad
>>2663984
https://www.dropbox.com/s/pinkzcnlfe6wd6m/arrow.wad

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>>2709435
>[09-26] Quake Live beta almost complete
Is it just going to be a "testing" beta like TF2 has, or is there another major update coming that I missed?

Real pity about Stronghold. 7 years of work down the drain. This can be such a shitty community at times.

We could have had a 1.1.

/doom/, how do I pimp my Wolfenstein 3D?

>>2709471
>Stronghold
What's going on with this?

>>2709471
what are you talking about?

>>2709471
Literally what

>>2709495
>>2709502
>>2709510

I couldn't find anything on R667 about it. I assume the guy's just being stupid.

>>2709471
as far as i remember it came out and was playable, and had some patches a bit later.
i had fun with it, i don't know what the mythical 1.1 would've had but to me it was an impressive bit of work.
i don't know what you're on about

2010

https://www.doomworld.com/vb/doomworld-news/53184-stronghold-v1-0-released/
http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=27763

Much gnashing of teeth.

2015

Still no update for such a large mod.

Mod isn't perfect. Things could be improved, things which are not Torms mapping style.

this looks pretty neat

>>2709625
>Pixellated mess of a gun
>Barehands

Not feeling it.
What makes this special?

Unless we're talking about the level itself, then that looks fine.

>>2709632
some gimp made a dm wad for gzdoom

>>2709450
They're ripping out the "BUT IT'S IN A WEB BROWSER SORTA" stuff and just making it a Steam game with proper in-engine menus, custom servers and I think some form of Workshop-based mod support. There'll also be a DLC (so as to appease ze germans) to bring back gibs.

>>2709474
http://maniacsvault.net/ecwolf/

>>2709660
Oh shit, that sounds pretty cool.

Question regarding GZDoom
Any way to make the icons a little bit bigger without having to change the screen size? Because this is way too small for me

>>2709679
hud_scale 1

>>2709679
yeah, something about fullscreen HUD scaling you'd have to turn on or off

I'm thinking of getting into this series, guys.

Any games to try first? Any games I should try to avoid?

>>2709625
That lighting looks really nice, however I would suggest using GLglows to optimise it more.

>>2709695
Thanks, that fixed it

>>2708018

Chiquito.wad circa 1998

It replaced every sound with chiquito de la calzasa voices.

>>2709623

So a mod hasn't updated after five years.
Okay...?

...Are there any other of the umpteenzillion other mods that fit this category you want to talk about?

>>2709702

>>2709702
avoid the bfg edition

I just finished playing through a kickass Ultimate Doom Episode 4 replacement called Apokalypsis.

After the victory text of a cute little poem, shows the normal ENDPIC.

I've questioned this for many years. What is up with the buildings in the background here? Warped perspective? As a kid, I assumed it was just some sort of rectangular frustum-shaped military base blowing up.

pls help, can't get GUS emulation to properly work on Chocolate Doom 2.2.1. I even have Doom 3 BFG so it should be automatically finding the patches and the timidity config.

>>2710096
That doesn't work that way. You gotta find the GUS patches yourself and both GUS and Timidity are different.
http://www.doomworld.com/idgames/sounds/eawpats Here's a good GUS patch.

>>2710126
The README.Music.txt says it does work that way, it may have been deprecated.

>>2710126
Also, the 8MBGMSFX patches:
http://www.doomworld.com/idgames/utils/sound_edit/8mbgmpat

I prefer them to EAWPATS, but that is my opinion, ymmv.

>>2710086
>What is up with the buildings in the background here?

I always saw it as hell warping reality, essentially the forces of hell pulling reality into a hellish dimension via some sort of portal.

>>2710086
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbvxlvSIIww

>>2710136
Say I wanted to compose noise music for a vanilla compatible WAD which patch would I use?

>>2710149
>noise music
I can't tell whether you actually mean "noise", as in "ambient noise", a la Quake, or "nice".

If noise, I wouldn't use GUS patches.

If nice, then really, its personal preference. As long as the patchset has the 128 instruments and the drumkits specified by the General MIDI standard, then its really whichever one sounds best to you.

There are also the actual GUS patches that came with the Gravis Ultrasound sound card back in the day and the "Pro Patches Lite" update for those, floating around on the net somewhere.

Bobby Prince allegedly composed Doom's music on a Roland Sound Canvas 55 MIDI synthesizer.

>>2710157
I mean noise as in the sort of industrial ambient sounds on quakes ost but not ambient in this use

>>2710175
maybe I could make a DeHackEd patch to play like 5 tracks at once.

>>2710137
That is an interesting interpretation.

>>2710148
I'm not so sure fisheye is the type of distortion here.

What is everyone's favorite vanilla compatible mapset?

>>2710261
Looking at that picture made me wonder if someone made a full mapset called Agitation yet.

>>2709951
What's really wrong with the BFG edition? I guess it's kind of gay that the health pickups are censored and that the swastikas are removed from the secret levels, but other than that the levels are where they are and the gameplay is at it was.

>>2710401
Leaving out the fact that they buggered up the source port itself, it desyncs with anyone using the original copy.

>>2710401
>censored health pickups
>two levels ruined
>SSG sound damaged (and its one of my favorite sounds right behind the arachnotron's death cry)
>the original team won't get a cent from your purchase

>>2710401
Fast monsters doesn't work also

>>2710401
It's a butchered port and it's not even compatible with original uncensored copies.

That's why.

>>2710460
>the original team won't get a cent from your purchase
Welcome to the fucking game industry. NOBODY gets money now for dev work they did in the past.

incoming oc

>>2710489
partial invulnerability.png

>>2710491
>partial invisibility.png
FTFY

>>2710494
yeah that

>>2710401
lmao they totally butchered the fucking sound pitches by randomizing them for no fucking reason whatsoever

kek, what game difference does it even make for zombiemen to moan higher

fucking bethesda

also the db shotty sounds like a middle aged man in the forest taking a shit and stepping on some leaves

I just finished Quake 1 for the first time! I did it on normal.

I have some questions for you /vr/ now that I've finished the game. I want to know what you think.

>why are secrets harder to find in this game than in doom? I probably found only around 30% on my first runthrough.
>do you still giggle at spelling shub niggurath scrub niggerwrath?
>was not including a BFG equivalent a mistake?
>do you think that the 3D allowed for sufficient variance in level design to distinguish Quake from Doom? Do you think John Romero even without using the 3D to its full extent managed to create levels that felt significantly different from Doom?
>are hitscan enemies still bullshit?

>>2710508
>>was not including a BFG equivalent a mistake?
not for the most part, considering the engine wasn't able to handle a major number of enemies anyway due to the fairly limited stuff they could fit on most PC's back then and it would be pretty redundant. You'd have to rebalance the game around the necessary amount of ammo for it enough to make life easier/harder for the player depending on the skill level he/she is playing on, and buff the amount of enemies in each level up a notch as well.

The thunderbolt was a very good choice when you think about it, really. Don't get me wrong, I personally would have loved to see a BFG equivalent in Quake too but then again there weren't many enemies that were able to stand that much damage anyways. Mostly vores, fiends, and shamblers could take as much damage as, say, barons or archviles, and anything bar a rocket launcher would be mostly overkil for them.

>>2710508
>the new gameplay additions like jumping, crouching, swimming, freelook etc. allowed for more creative hiding spots than unf-able walls
>i guess??
>the thunderbolt is basically that give or take
>it should have but quake in general has a really awkward, obviously mishmashed tone which made for something much more confusing and unmemorable than doom
>no not really

>>2710528
>>the new gameplay additions like jumping, crouching, swimming, freelook etc. allowed for more creative hiding spots than unf-able walls
no automap either
i severely missed doom's automap in quake
even though i know it wouldn't have worked at all

>>2710508
>was not including a BFG equivalent a mistake?
Lower monster count and nothing as beefy as the Doom bosses doesn't really necessitate a BFG. The deathmatch would have even less weapon balance that it already does with a BFG, too.

>do you think that the 3D allowed for sufficient variance in level design to distinguish Quake from Doom? Do you think John Romero even without using the 3D to its full extent managed to create levels that felt significantly different from Doom?
Yes.

>are hitscan enemies still bullshit?
Quake has just the one, yeah? Nah. Grunts appear in 5 maps total and they're not a problem in any of them.

>I did it on normal.
Oh shit, what are you doing? This is a classic FPS from the time when higher skill levels were actually more fun, not less. Do it again on Nightmare!

>>2710508
>>are hitscan enemies still bullshit?
>>2710524(me)

grunts were fairly spread throughout the game, making appereances only in the first level for each episode. They weren't that annoying due to appearing in smaller numbers and occasionally joined by dobbies and enforcers (the later being projectile-based laser-shooting guys) and they were used pretty flawlessly imo

Not enough to be a fucking nuisane who never miss their shots and sometimes make you go "ugh, these fuckers again" like the shotgunguys in Doom, but that they could land their shots pretty accurately and the ludicrous amount of damage output they could shove in large groups were both pretty fucking stupid imo. still like them, though

I could never figure out if they were actual zombies or just random soldier guys though. the enforcers do yell "freeze" and "stahp" at you even though they had red eyes implying demonic posession of sorts iirc, that always seemed sorta confusing to me

>>2710539
>I could never figure out if they were actual zombies or just random soldier guys though.
The manual says they're just your dudes with a bit of cyborg crap stuck in their heads.

>>2710541
In usual Strogg fashion. And they say there's no continuity in Quake...

>>2710489
haha i like this
>>2710492 >>2710497
don't get these two though, what's the reference?

>>2710541
>become near full-fledged cyborg
>red eyes bc le evilzzzz!!!1

ah well, fair enough

also,
>quake actually has some actual continuity to it towards quake II and IV
well shit, now it sorta makes sense to have blabbering zombies yelling random shit at you in both quake I and IV i guess

still that does it for me

>>2710551
It's a reference to this

>>2710560
i see, thanks. never seen that before. yes, i do live under a rock, before you ask.

>>2710501
Randomized sound pitches was actually part of the original release of Doom 1! It was accidentally broken in v1.4 of the engine, and not officially fixed until the XBox ports included in Doom 3.

http://doomwiki.org/wiki/Random_sound_pitch_removed

>>2710489
>mfw that d-o-f baron

it's the little things.

>>2709435
>[09-26] Quake Live beta almost complete - keys available
"Feature complete this Tuesday" means the update will go live or that all the features will be in the beta client, and after testing will be released?
I'm assuming it's the second one
>>2709450
Major update.
They are turning off loadouts by default, leveraging Steam accounts (somehow), turning most of id servers after a while but letting people host their own (which also means LAN support), Quake 4 style crouchsliding as a server option, no more ranking system by id but support for it if peope wanna make it, maps being retouched and there's Steam Worshop support for usermade maps, gibs will be reintroduced as well as a +18 DLC (with new blood effects), LG damage might or might not go up to 7 again. And of course the client is being restructured and shit.
Also Steam Achievments. Call me a faggot but I love those.

>>2710497
>PC Speaker
*BOOP INTENSIFIES*

>>2710626
d-o-f?

well holy shit.

>>2710640
bloody
how did you do this?

>>2710559
>quake actually has some actual continuity to it towards quake II and IV
Yeah, I dunno if I'd go that far. The cybernetic implants are pretty much unexplained but the implication is that somehow "Quake" is responsible. As little sense as that makes, considering that's the manual's name for Shub Wobbly-jelly.

>>2710652
smooth doom with blood splats and SSG gibbing enabled + droplets mod

although this >>>>>> brutal doom
when to slowing your toaster to a crawl it comes to, I wouldn't really recommend it to anyone with a shit PC (such as me), I just did this to see how much of my framerate would be slayed tbh

>>2710669
>considering that's the manual's name for Shub Wobbly-jelly

I don't know if it counts as canon, but the ending to dissolution of eternity claims that -SPOILERS-by killing the dragon and shutting down the teleporter, you actually manage to stop way of part of quake's infantry from invading earth iirc so wouldn't that imply that the actual quake is still alive and kicking in some strange dimension and that shubby was nothing but a mere pawn in a much larger thing to come?

to think about it I would actually hate to think that ID actually had an actual fleshed-out full story for quake that they were meaning to continue but never did due to lack of interest from the fans and the fact that quake II was more popular and showed to be more profitting and memorable to them later on

Big problem with DoomRLA is uneven challenge. It is more challenging when you begin to play, because your guns are worse than vanilla guns and you still have to fight stronger versions of monsters. But as soon as you make couple of strong assemblies, the game becomes really easy. I think that there should be some kind of dynamic difficulty thing, where the chance of the monster getting replaced by stronger version should increase when player has superior weapons and advanced and master assemblies in his inventory.

Also I would really like to see health bar on stronger monsters (Cyberdemons, Spiderminds, maybe Barons as well).

>>2710678
>roll a 6-6-6 in reelism
>can't do shit because i'm stuck in a small room in the contra map
well, fuck me
also i hate how the trees survive everything, including fire from an hyperpowered tank

Where's the go-to for Duke 3D maps? Google is bringing up mostly broken links.

Is there anything that rivals the idgames mirrors?

>>2710685
http://dukeworld.duke4.net/ has a bunch of stuff from 1996-2001, and some stuff from afterwards.

hey guys
how would you like a doom clone in ue4?
been thinking about making one since I got 40% of skills and time to do it.

okay, this is actually starting to frustrate the fuck out of me now

why the fuck won't SLADE execute? the windows process manager says that the process itself is executing but the program just won't show up, there's no loading screens at all and windows keeps saying the program is working

I tried uninstalling and installing it back up like seven times now and tried looking it up on regedit but I couldn't find it

has anyone else had any trouble of sorts? how do I get this fucking program to work again?

>>2710703
absolutely - especially if we could just.... Man just graphically update the game, add physics, keep everything else pretty much the same

>>2710729
hold on buddy, keyword here is "doom clone"
there was already some guy doing a doom remake in ue4 and he got C&D, instead I would rather do something like freedoom in ue4, call it "NotDoom" for now and say that action is taking place on planet Venus.

>>2710709
forgot to mention, the program reads as running in background

what the fuck? why should it not work properly?

>>2709660
>>2710629
Well this sounds promising

What about the premium faggotry?

>>2710751
It's not clear yet. Premium lets you spawn (not host, afaik) a server with a lot of custom options (currently missing from the new free start a match option), more arenas (I haven't checked but I think all arenas are available now, not sure if just for testing), extended match history (I haven't checked but I think it's there).

>>2710754
Oh I forgot a big one: only premium users can vote for maps at the end of a match. I haven't checked that one.

>>2710740
>there was already some guy doing a doom remake in ue4 and he got C&D
fucking jewimax

This isn't panning out very well, I guess I could do the other idea of having it fly straight forward, randomly shooting at monsters, though I'm not sure how I'd go about making it shoot -AT- monsters, rather than just randomly spray projectiles around.

I don't know, this is driving me batty

>>2710767
i'd say making the thing more or less like a lost soul (except that it goes trough the enemies?) would probably be cooler

>>2710776

Yeah but how useful would that be as a BFG tier weapon?

>>2710778
well if you can summon a few and they just keep charging through and through enemies i'd say it could be pretty good for cleaning hordes of weak ones, or a few big ones

>>2710709
pls respond

>>2710778
Very.

>>2710709
It might be getting caught on some other process you have running that's preventing it from doing anything... somehow. I had a similar problem when installing Soldier of Fortune 1 recently, where the installer would hang in a similar way if Adobe Creative Cloud was running.

I can't remember how I diagnosed it, though. Event Viewer, maybe?

>>2710842

Fair point. Though the axe has an attack like that, I could always make this particular projectile last longer, destroy enemy shots, and explode violently when it ends.

>>2710848
I'll try killing any other processes next time I boot it up, thanks for the advice.

I've just let my PC on with the program running in the background hoping to see if waiting for it to actually open gives out any results. I'm crossing my fingers.

If all else fails, then I guess it's time for a little reformatting I guess. I legitimately spent the entire night trying to fix this shit and I'm tired as shit.

Will try and report back in a few hours.

yo guys look, I found a new pic at the Doom website in the snapmap section

i think it looks fairly cool

>>2710909
It's, umm, brown. Yay, I guess?

>>2710937
I think the term you're looking for is "piss filter"

>>2710909
Memery aside, the snapmap section does show that new enemy people discussed a while back. The demon that looks like an armored mancubus.

>>2710909
here's another one

>>2710942
Ooh, and now it is grey. Gosh, I'm so hyped! That's whopping two colors so far!

>>2710942
Why are you even posting this? It's not new or interesting
Are you trying to bait or something

>>2710942
>>2710941
I only came here to post these because of some retarded inspect element shenanigans I was jostlin' around with

so I stumbled upon these and thought I might post 'em

I think ID is being really overzealous about the stuff they choose to show though tbh, most of these pics kinda give off that E3 foundry-vibe, mostly nothing has quite anything to do with what was shown at quakecon last year

>>2710948
neither new nor old*
*retro

>>2710950
it says campaign. ffs

>>2710952
>not retro
yeah I can see where you guys are coming from

I should have just posted those on a link at least to begin with, sorry bout that

>>2710954
doom 4 being offtopic on /vr/ never seems to stop people posting about it. plus this thread is really slow by vrdoom standards. how many were you going to post?

>>2710978
only those three and nothing else, one from each section of the website branches

I recall some guy posting some supposed armored mancubus shots in the snapmap section some time ago and he didn't get called out for not being retro content whatsoever, not sure what's triggering so many people this hard now really

>>2710950
>decide to check out the official site
>notice that pre-orders are available
>fuckyear.jpg
>check to see if steam has a page for Doom 2016
>nothing there

Will Doom be available on Steam at any point? I mean, Fallout 4 is on there so I'd imagine Doom would be aswell. Perhaps it's too early, but I dunno.

>>2711048
I'd be very surprised if it isn't.

>>2710909
>>2710950
>>2710953

Ehhh, I know.

>>2710456
I played it on PS3, so I never really had the option of playing with anyone on a different system (not that I played online).

>>2710460
>SSG sound damaged (and its one of my favorite sounds right behind the arachnotron's death cry)
Wasn't that the old sounds from before the earliest patches?
Either way it's the reloading sounds, not the boom.

>the original team won't get a cent from your purchase
Well that was the original agreement from the days back at id, it's what they all came up with and agreed upon when they were a small team of devs, that if someone left, they wouldn't get any more royalties from anything they had made at id.

>>2710464
Well that is an issue.

>>2710472
Well obviously the port it comes with isn't really anything great, if you're on PC there's little reason to get the BFG Edition, but I think it's decent as a console port (though Classic Complete is much better).

>>2710501
>randomizing them for no fucking reason whatsoever
That's an old behavior that was broken in an early patch, though I do wish there was a way to turn it off.

I guess the idea was that it'd add a bit of variation to the general sound of the game, so that if you mow down a whole bunch of zombies in a row, it all sounds more varied.

>also the db shotty sounds like a middle aged man in the forest taking a shit and stepping on some leaves
What?

>>2711074
>Either way it's the reloading sounds, not the boom.

It could be argued the reloading sounds are just as, if not more vital to the SSG's sound design

To the complete faggot trying to defend BFG Edition, here's what's wrong with the SSG:
The engine ignores the sound effects' sample rate, and instead uses a fixed rate of 11025 Hz. "The "item respawn" sound(DSITMBK) and some super shotgun sounds (DSDBOPN, DSDBCLS, DSDBLOAD), however, are still sampled at 22050 Hz; therefore when they are played back they are slower and lower pitched than intended."

This was from the Doom Wiki which has a whole list of what they fucked up that you can read for yourself.

http://doomwiki.org/wiki/Doom_3:_BFG_Edition#Differences_with_Doom_and_Doom_2

>>2711048
Yeah, that seemed sorta strange to me as well looking this morning. The game comes out april next month, after all.

>>2711105
>april next month

:VVVVVV

>>2711119
>>>>>month
FML
M
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>>2711134
Caught ya, time traveler.

>>2711145
you mean you most probably will or have already had.

you never know. or knew. or maybe will never know.

>>2710909
>>2710942
>>2710950
>endless agitation
nice meme
>return of id multiplayer
it looks slow as shit compared to an average doom 2 deathmatch
>a relentless campaign
I can't wait to get weapon upgrades from the item drop killmoves

>>2710978
>doom 4 being offtopic on a doom thread
I want this meme to end

it was fun, you guys.

>>2711192
This is a thread where we discuss video games from Doom series, not anything with "Doom" in its name. We don't discuss "Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom" here, for example.

>>2711250
forcing it doesn't make it any funnier

>>2711192
it's not a meme, it's the rules. the point of this board is old video games. doom 4 isn't the slightest bit retro. if you want to talk about modern video games, there's another board for that.

>>2711245
>BAAAAAW I'M TOO MUCH OF A PUSSY TO ACTUALLY DEAL WITH /v/ INVASIONS IN THE PROPER WAY

Good fucking riddance

>>2711294
yep, fun times

What you guys don't want is shitposting. Say it. Doom 4 being inherently a modern game doesn't bring the exact kind of discussion that /vr/, specially /doom/, wants. And you simply want to avoid any troubles.

A bit petty, but that's how it came to be. We COULD discuss the new game normally, but we CAN'T. And it doesn't necessarily mean that only one website or subforum is to blame, modern remakes of old games will always have these kind of problems.

>>2711310
>>2711250
>This is a thread where we discuss video games from Doom series, not anything with "Doom" in its name.
>Doom 4 being inherently a modern game doesn't bring the exact kind of discussion that /vr/, specially /doom/, wants. And you simply want to avoid any troubles.

No, you don't want dissenting opinions.

The amount of knee-jerk "not retro! NOT RETRO!" posting about Doom 4 brings is baffling, considering people are happy enough to discuss DoomRL (not RLA), the Doom movie, the Doom mobile games, and other non-Doom games--including the new Shadow Warrior and RotT.
Posting about Doom 4 is perfectly fine, there's just not a lot to post because it hasn't come out, and some people take offense to forming opinions about the game before it comes out. Whether the opinion is "whoah, looks cool!" or "whoah, looks like shit!", we should be able to discuss it.

Trying to cut it off arbitrarily when there's plenty of other equally-"off-topic" discussions is kinda dumb.

>>2711084
Well I'll agree on that, the CLICK CLACK noises are pretty damn good feeling.

>>2711104
>To the complete faggot trying to defend BFG Edition
Hey, I'm just saying that as a console port, it's ok, I'll defend the GBA ports and those were pretty shitty, even if the second game barely cut anything at all.

I'll defend Snes Doom and that shit is ROUGH.

>>2710953
what are they supposed to call it

>>2711497
hotdogging, obviously!

they should also do away with the yellow filter, because there's just no fucking feasible way in reality that all environments and objects in the vicinity get a yellow color from being in a molten steel refinery!

it's almost as if they couldn't do anything right!

>>2711523
I have no idea why the industry keeps filtering like that. SweetFX turning off the bluefilter for bf3/4 makes it look so much better, imagine it'll be true with the pissfilter as well

>>2711497
the same as whatever it was Doom / Doom 2 called it. "campaign" is a CoD word.

>>2711536
i think calling it megawad would be a bit confusing and prob not even technically correct.

and no, campaign was a word before the cod boogeyman

>>2711536
>"campaign" is a CoD word
For the love of god STOP.

>>2711523
>A Relentless Hotdogging
witnessme.jpg

>>2711539
>megawad
Doesn't fit anymore since it's not using the .wad format.

>>2711536
It's campaign. They used to run D&D campaigns and talked about how their campaigns would affect their development. As other anon said, don't be dumb.

>>2711545
>Doesn't fit anymore since it's not using the .wad format.
..that's what i was saying anon

>>2711536
>"campaign" is a CoD word.
You're a dumbass.

>>2711413
>"campaign" is a CoD word.

This is the epitome of how CoDfish and /v/ have disgraced the shooter genre. Let me guess, you also think that Splatoon isn't a shooter because of it's aesthetic? FOH

>>2711536
>>>/out/

>>2711553
oh god i'd take cod fanboys over splatoon autists anyday

>>2711553
>CoDfish

clever/10

>>2711563
>autism meme

Keep digging your fucking hole

>>2711539 >>2711542 >>2711551 >>2711553 >>2711557
sorry lads. idiotic post deleted.

>>2711579
that wasn't me, that was someone else. i posted the original idiotic statement and just deleted it.

>>2711579
not even him. just fed up with these /v/ pedos getting all defensive over muh GOAT that i only like because of the r34

>>2711585
I didn't realize my mistake until after you deleted your post. That said, it's a useless gesture because that's one bit of comedy gold that I will always remember.

>>2711579
>still taking every single post ITT at face value
kek

>>2711587
>/v/ pedos
>that i only like because of the r34
if you like porn of underage girls, they might not be the pedos

>>2711594
>that reading comprehension
i wasn't talking about myself, dicktree

>>2711587
in all fairness, the doujins are pretty nice...

>>2711603
sure you weren't, pedo

>>2711605
see?

And yet this sort of backlash literally didn't exist when The Last Of Us was a thing...

I have a feeling that a certain other trait has played into this suddenly appearing backlash...

>>2711603
>that i only like because of the r34
>i wasn't talking about myself
>that i only like
>i

Yeah, nah.

>>2711613
>muh GOAT that i only like because of the r34
>muh
>cant into basic 4chan lingo

>>2711587
>i only like because of the r34
WHOOP WHOOP SOMEONE GETTIN V&

>>2711621
>backpedalling this hard

Yup, caught you.

So uh, I'm really getting into DRLA and want to set it up for co-op with a couple of friends. What are some good WADs for Co-op DRLA?

>>2711623
>>2711626
you gonna keep going with this or can we go back to doom talk

>>2711628
oblige wads are always a nice pick

>>2711628
equinox

zdoom netplay is p ass btw

>>2711628
total control

>>7511170

i was not prepared for this

>>2711647
wrong thread?

>>2711629

It's a bit late for you to try and change the subject now, but sure, I'll play along.

>>2711651
anon just stop. i'll delete my borderline shitpost if it will make you stop projecting

>>2711648
sorry, i don't know how to post things from another thread

>>>/gif/7511170

ignore my retardation, fixed it

>>2711661
i like how nobody there gets it

All doomses were GPL'd so far.

With Cuckhesda being the publisher is there any chance the new "DooM" will be open sourced as well?

>>2711669
i can't see it happening, especially not now carmack's gone

>>2711669
>cuck

leave

>>2711673
Fuck them then.
I noticed idtech 5 still has a proprietary license.

I really enjoyed having the possibility of having doomses in the repos of even the most stallman friendly distros. Everything good has to end one day doesn't it

>>2711647
>>2711657
That should've done it but /vr/ hasn't reached 7m posts yet.
Or is it a thread from another board?

>>2711682
>Everything good has to end one day doesn't it

I'm just one nerd, but I've been putting the code of everything I release on open-source for people to use, tweak, modify, or expand on as they see fit.
Even if I move to an alternative git sites for private repos for more commercial projects (looking at GitGud at the moment), after release I'd probably open up the code for people to dig through as they see fit.

>>2711728
anon posted something in the wrong format, & then he rectified it here >>2711661

>>2711730
>but I've been putting the code of everything I release on open-source for people to use, tweak, modify, or expand on as they see fit.
I appreciate it.

>Even if I move to an alternative git sites for private repos for more commercial projects (looking at GitGud at the moment), after release I'd probably open up the code for people to dig through as they see fit.
It is possible to make money and still keep the source open.
You just have to cope with the fact (depending on the usefulness of your software) that there will be people who will try to use your software without monetary compensation just like unauthorized copies exist for proprietary software. Same shit, same result.

>>2711730
>>2711754
The old id was able to make gobs of money licensing their engines and open-sourcing the previous generation after the new one had been out for a while. (They also preferred the GPL for this, precisely because they could go on licensing old engines to people who didn't want to open source their own modifications.)

The new id is part of Zenimax. Motherfuckers wouldn't lift a finger to help Jesus if he was on fire.

>>2711779
I just don't understand their policy though - id made lots of people multimillionaires, and they shared everything pretty openly. It's sad to see what it's become

>>2711781
Zenimax is really ruthless all around. They have no compassion for their fans and no loyalty to their own writers and artists (in Bethesda or otherwise) and they don't give a fuck about their public image. That's the norm for American businesses these days, though. Recently (like the past 10 or 20 years) it's also become normal for big companies like Zenimax, run by sociopaths, to buy up all the smaller ones.

>>2711779
>>2711781
Th difference between old and new id is that old id was a small studio that did whatever the fuck they wanted. It was their time, their skills, their resources and their money.

New id is a subsidiary of zenimax media which is a corporation, which has it's stockholders which are usually over-middle-age kikes interested in mad dosh. It's their skills, but the money, time and resources ain't.

I could go on and ramble about ebil corporashuns turning everything they touch into pile of shit but i think most of us get the point

>>2711661
why.jpg

>>2710261
tvr, scythe, memento mori... i could never pick one, it varies from week to week

>>2711793
i think the only big game company that isn't ran by ruthless greedy cunts nowadays is CD Projekt RED

>>2711817
>CD Projekt RED
Because the CEO and other key people in charge of it are the same people that started it. And those people actually like videogames.

This will probably change, CD Project entered warsaw stock exchange this year.

>>2711781
>I just don't understand their policy though

Ultimately, it's a matter of whether you want to make more or whether you want to get more.

Releasing open-source code and modding tools means people are able to do more with it. The community can do more, but you won't be able to get credit/profit from it. Plus, there's a high amount of chance people just either won't do anything with it or will make a monumental pile of shit.
Look at the RPG Maker community, for example. There's a couple really good games! There's also a monumental pile of shit and sub-bar nonsense. Most of the time Enterbrain never even sees a dime for any of the successful games and releases. And they don't often even enter people's minds when they go "oh, Yume Nikki was a great game made by a creative person!". I actually hate Yume Nikki but it's the first example I could think of.

If you keep things to yourself, you're able to exercise a higher level of quality control. Put airquotes around the words "quality" or "control" if you like. Or both.
More importantly, however, you benefit directly from it. By releasing your own extra mappacks and products for your, well, product, you get to reap in more of the credit, the cash, the acclaim, and whatever.

Me, I just see it as paying it forward.
I've done a nice chunk of stuff in modding, but a good 90% of it was built thanks to other people's works, them consciously spending their time and effort so that someone else can expand on it and make something cool.
Likewise, even if someone doesn't like something I make or thinks they can do better, or just wants to study to experiment with and learn how to do things, I can keep things open and available for them to play with as they want.

Boy, this sure was a tl;dr seriouspost.

>Infected Mastermind removed
;_;
>Gamemode with grapple
Could be fun
>it also has Team Arena runes
Oh god pls no

>>2711834
>And they don't often even enter people's minds when they go "oh, Yume Nikki was a great game made by a creative person!"
As someone who used to be a miniscule proponent in the Yume Nikki community, this is utter bullshit. Yume Nikki gets constantly tied in with how RPG Maker can be used to create interesting, non-linear, near-visual-novel style games. In fact, I'm sure it made quite a few turnarounds in product purchase.

Ao Oni did the same thing, in fact it could have been called "RPG Maker XP Scripting: The Tech Demo"

>>2711898
This is how the grapple looks btw
Low settings but you can see how it works

>>2711903
maybe to you guys
yume nikki to me is more representative of the japanese indie scene rather than any rpg maker schlock

>>2711906
this is quake live?
what the fuck, i thought it was supposed to be q3a in a browser

>>2711906
They textured it?! WOOOOO!

>>2711917
>Low settings

>>2711909

Wouldn't a better example to that be Cave Story, or Touhou?

>>2711903
>Yume Nikki gets constantly tied in with how RPG Maker can be used to create interesting, non-linear, near-visual-novel style games.

I have never heard this in my life.
If that's a bad example, though, then I'm man enough to admit I'm wrong. Feel free to swap in another example, like Chloe's Requiem.

>>2711917
It hasn't been technically on a browser for a good while now, couple years iirc
And it is q3a but with more stuff that previously were mods and shit, with tweaked balance and stuff
Q3A had a grapple, but it was accessible only through cheats, btw

Speaking of QL, has it been confirmed whether or not the Blood DLC will be free or not?

>>2711942
<syncerror> Gibs coming in an 18+ DLC
<syncerror> But we're not allowed to sell it in Germany due to the current rating of QL.
<syncerror> We're not using the Q3 blood.
<syncerror> It's Q3 gibs + new blood effects.

Paid, I assume.

We'll know by tomorrow, I think.

>>2711925
>I have never heard this in my life.
Maybe it is amongst the small community, but I know there was always this cycle of "YN was cool, what was it made in?" "RPG Maker! That's why the assets are so open." "Wow, that's pretty neat what it can do."

>>2711945
SyncError seems like a p. cool dude.

>>2711945
I can see it being free DLC. Not as a patch that they just call "DLC" but it having its own Steam store page and lets itself be installed for free as long as you have the game installed, but that store page for it cannot be accessed in Germany.

That's how I'd do it anyway.

>>2711647
>>2711661
I don't get terry culture honestly...what's so fucking funny about it?

Why did terry ever have to start this utter cancer?!

I pray he goes straight to hell and gets raped by an imp's thorny penis for this.


All it is is wasting talent and throwing away good ideas for a cheap stupid laugh.

>>2712118
I'm the kind of guy who finds random loud noises funny (mostly because I have ADD, Tourettes and Assburgers all at once) and only found that aspect funny the first time I played it, for the first few minutes. I guess there isn't enough variety in the noises. As for the writing, I thought it started off funny, but then it becomes a lot of the same shit afterwards (i.e. "eyyy im da boss n im gunna fug yo ass fuccboi")

>>2712127
This.
It was funny when there was only 1 to maybe 2 or 3 terry wads.

But then everyone just started making the same fucking thing to the point where it became a tired concept.

I wish people would be more creative with their troll wads then just following in terry's footsteps.

>>2711898
>>Gamemode with grapple

of course, taking a page off ut's book now that the new game is coming soon :^)

>>2712339
You ever play Threewave CTF?
It had a grappling hook.
Threewave predates Unreal by a couple years.

>>2712347
>:^)

You really shouldn't have responded.

>>2712350

now call it a boogeyman

>>2711906

>the grapple is making it in

Fuck yeah

>>2712354

or a meme, that also works

>>2712354
>>2712359
>Literally mad because I made a rational post

>>2712359

Or a retard.

Now let's talk about how cool the grapple is. More arena shooters need hookshots.

I wonder if it's capable of dealing damage to other guys. The hookshot in the chaosUT mod for unreal tournament spiked enemies for like ten damage a shot, and could be fired fast

Hey guys, were can I get Project MSX ? Is it still up somewhere ? Which one is the best version ?

>>2712389
http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=25836

Latest version is 0.2a

>>2712392
Thanks anon. That was quick.

>>2711834
You're correct, but a balance can be struck. Id released first party map packs, and made tons of money, and still gave fans creative freedom and people have made millions of hours of content for their game.

I just finished the first Scythe wad, and whoever thought map 28 and map 30 were good ideas should fuck themselves with a rake sideways.

Also, what the fuck is going on with all these party hats over the images what is happening

>>2712496
It's 4chan's birthday, newfriend.

Loving Icarus

what do you think of Community chest 1
map 29: citadel at the edge of eternity

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufu-RVLXg_U
mark is at it again, it seems

>>2712562
not a big fan of the tank but the chopper is ok

Any recommends for a map/wad where you have only just enough ammo to clear it without resorting to fists? I want to use it for ammo balance testing.

>>2712562
the heli's neat but the blade's animation needs some work

When are we playing Hexen together /vr/?

>>2712575
sounds fun

>>2712101
I really don't think so, specially if Premium goes away.
And Sync said "sell"
>>2712339
UT didn't have a grapple, though, did it?
>>2712375
>More arena shooters need hookshots.
I'd rather them come up with new movement mechanics on their own.
In any case, Cliffy B new FPS has a character that has a hook, but it doesn't pull you, just lets you swing, I think.

>>2712575
i can host if anyone's interested

>>2711285
It's within the rules of /vr/ to discuss post 2000 titles if they are in relation to a /vr/ title, such as discussing Doom 3 or 4 in relation to Doom 1 and 2, like for instance making comparisons.

>>2711523
>>2711543
>Hot-Dogging:
>"The act of sexual outercourse where the man slides his penis between his partners buttocks."

>A Relentless Hotdogging

>>2711668
Wouldn't be funny if they got.

>>2711523
>>2711535
the filter only appears in hell outdoors, it seems

>>2712551
There is a lot of cool maps and a lot of total fucking garbage. Community Chest was cool but really it became fucking amazing at CC3.

>>2712562

So a player on top of a desynched-moving actor and a flying player?

>>2712562
>Trees explode when you touch them
Okay.

>>2712616
>tanks runs over tree
>it falls apart
what's the problem here

>>2712593
>new movement mechanics

All surfaces are walkable surfaces, you can just as easily walk on the walls and cielings/if they're there.

Assisted platform jumping

>>2709695
I played a Wrath of Chronos server the other day and the damn game forces you to change hud_scale back to 0 for the new hud but at 1920x1080 the hud is so goddamn tiny and i dont want to use a lower res just for that

>>2712594
id be interested, no one plays Hexen anymore

>>2712650
>>2712594
I am also interested

Its why I suggested it

>>2712609
but it looks fun anyway.

>>2712651
>Deathkings' DM maps overwrite half of the 3rd hub
Why would they do this?
Every time i want to try a full playthrough of Hexen into Deathkings you go to the Silent refectory and end up in Transit because Raven Soft forgot they put Heresiarch's Seminary maps in the 20s and 30s maplist

>>2712660
uhh, what? Did you mean to reply to me?

>>2712656

>>2712665
sorry, must have misquoted
just griping in general

>>2712670
to add, i guess its also a general warning that if you want a server with Deathkings also then youll get fucked on those maps, though i saw a german server with some new "Hexen Coop" mod that i guess fixes some of these issues and adds better key sharing and puzzle sharing, since Hexen Coop was a bit fucked in vanilla

>>2710308
Maybe in the spirit of Halloween we could do something agitation related, or at least skeleton related. Like another speedmap project, for example, but with the restriction that every map needs to be in some way spooooky.

>>2712595
no it isn't

>>2712707
Discussing doom 4 in relation to 1/2 is relevant, as the topic is directly related to a retro game.

Technically, posts solely about doom 4 wouldn't be kosher, but are you really enough of a shitcunt to care about a doom game being discussed in a doom thread?

>>2712714
>>2712707

It's worth noting that mods have actively been in and trimmed up the threads and that the not-shitposting Doom 4 posts have been left alone.

>>2712671
Thanks for the heads up.
Hopefully the Host will have fixed these problems.

Meanwhile I have my made my own bed of seeds that I have sewn to deal with.

I am incredibly nauseous and just drank a tall glass of chocolate milk

>>2712728
Yeah it already 5:15, i got work tomorrow, if its gonna happen soon, im out till next night

>>2712604
well at least it kinda makes sense in the context of sulfur and shit everywhere in the air

>>2712969
avoid replying to shitposters tbh fam

not our fault they skipped art the day they chose to bring up color theory

Well I'm just done playing Quake 2: The Reckoning for the first time.

Fucking amazing add-on. Some of the best FPS fun I've had in YEARS. The last few maps on the moon were especially great.

Xatrix are underrated.

>>2712568
Anyone?

>>2713086
the later episodes of scythe might come close. i remember e2m1 of valiant making me go out of my way to get more ammo sometimes.
but most of the time mappers it seems there is tighter control on health rather than ammo, so it's hard to say

>>2713086
STRAIN might be a good one to check out, I recall ammo being pretty tight in it.

The doom 4 invite alpha will start this month. Expect a post about it in the next few days to next week.

>>2713231
post proof or else I'm snitching

>>2712714
>are you really enough of a shitcunt to care about a doom game being discussed in a doom thread?

i have no interest at all in doom 4, so it is a problem for me when the threads become overrun with discussion of it.

i don't think having no interest in doom 4 makes me a shitcunt, but you seem to be suggesting otherwise. i don't think that's a very reasonable position to take.

>>2713231
>>2713247

I'm assuming he got selected from the DOOM '16 beta pool and he was notified about it

>>2712568

http://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/s-u/sp1

Be careful though, the "just enough ammo" part is really literal here.

Oh yeah, while I remember: Quake 2, 3, Wolf3d/Spear and RTCW are on GOG now.

>>2713254
>i have no interest at all in doom 4, so it is a problem for me when the threads become overrun with discussion of it.
So you're saying that nobody can talk about something that you don't like?

>>2713313
Q3 for 20bucks. What a fucking rip off

>>2712509
Been on here since summer of 07, just never on the first of October for some reason. Although now that I think of it I kinda remember this happening once before a few years back.

>>2713313
Does that include the expansions?

>>2713343
> Does that include the expansions?
Yes, it also includes Q2 Netpack... though that's just a bunch of mods and shit from the late-90s internet, so you're not missing much.

>>2713254

With all due respect, I don't think "people talking about something I have no interest in" is a very sympathetic problem.
I have no interest in DoomRLA but I don't complain about the constant discussion. People are talking about stuff they're interested in. Trying to steer it away from that is just silly.

>>2713254
>this is not my preference
This is okay and a completely reasonable position to have, thank you for your input
>THIS DOESN'T BELONG ON THIS BOARD MODS MODS MODS
Go fuck yourself.

Exaggeration intentional, for emphasis.

>>2713350
I see tons of flaws with it and I still love the fuck out of drpg/RLAM, but to each their own I suppose.

>>2713343
>summer of '07
Fucking summerfags, I swear

>hyperpowered dog mode
>vs the optical invasion
well, that was surprisingly unsatisfying
maybe if the altfire made you spit homing bees...

>>2713350
>With all due respect, I don't think "people talking about something I have no interest in" is a very sympathetic problem.

i'm not looking for sympathy. it's a simple statement of fact: this is the retro games board, not the "whatever the heck you want to talk about" board.

>I have no interest in DoomRLA but I don't complain about the constant discussion.

there are several common topics i've no interest in, pretty much all zdoom mods, or anything related to zandronum, for example. but they're perfectly well on-topic for a doom thread on a retro games board.

however, doom 4 is not a retro game, so i see no reason why it's unreasonable to tell people to stop talking about it here.

>People are talking about stuff they're interested in. Trying to steer it away from that is just silly.

maybe they should go talk about the things they're interested in on the correct board for it?

>>2713461
>however, doom 4 is not a retro game
neither are any doom mods, especially total conversions that make new games out of the engine

>>2713461
>this is the retro games board, not the "whatever the heck you want to talk about" board.
>maybe they should go talk about the things they're interested in on the correct board for it?

You know if it was really an issue, the mods would be deleting it, right? We've already had deleted posts in the thread, so it's not like mods are dead anymore.
This looks like an issue only you think is an issue, friend. Especially considering how we've had discussions of new games on the engine (Nido Force, Nocturne in Yellow, Adventures of Square), discussions of new games related to old IPs (Shadow Warrior 2013, Rise of the Triad), and media tangentially related to Doom that are definitively neither retro nor game (plushies, DoomRL, Doom movie). Specifically ragging on Doom 4 discussion seems like extreme cherrypicking.

You don't need to play backseat driver. Let the mods do their job. If it's inappropriate, they'll take care of it.

Does anyone play OBLIGE generated WADs?

How do I fix my broken colors in Chocolate Doom?

>>2713556
Yes
With DRLA

>>2713562
how are they broken? screenshot?

>>2711830
>This will probably change, CD Project entered warsaw stock exchange this year.
Yeah, god forbid people try to make some money.

>>2713556
>"scarce bfg spawns"
>two bfg spawns on first map with only zombiemen and pinkies

Have you backed up your projects lately?

>>2713603
Nevermind - turns out I was using a really outdated version of Chocolate Doom from 2008. Color issues are fixed now, as well as the crash I was getting at the end of E1M2.

Now I need to figure out how to get the GUS emulation to work. I downloaded the patch, and told it the exact directory, but it's still not playing any audio.

>>2713629
>Implying we do stuff

>>2712707
It's within the rules to discuss modern ports or remakes of old games too, yet someone like you will show up and shout "NOT RETRO" whenever someone brings up Enhanced Edition of Baldur's Gate or the like.

>>2713607
keep in mind that the shareholder mindset is "how do we make the most money possible" and other concerns are tertiary.

not that it's automatically bad, it just becomes easier to imagine gog saying "we have an agreement with x game studio to distribute y as long as it's only downloadable through the galaxy client" and other annoyances popping up

How do I run Smooth Doom? All I get when I run it with an iwad is errors and stuff.

>>2713631
>Now I need to figure out how to get the GUS emulation to work. I downloaded the patch, and told it the exact directory, but it's still not playing any audio.
Does anybody know what might be causing this?

>>2713525
Those mods are still built on the Doom engine, so they're on-topic. Doom 4 has nothing to do with Doom beyond its name. It's not built on the Doom engine, or even by the same people (except Kevin Cloud, maybe?).

>>2713629

I actually keep all of my projects on hosting services for this exact reason. Everything's either on a Dropbox folder, a Copy folder, or a Git repository. Sometimes all three!

That way, every time I change something, it's automatically backed up in case something happens to my computer.

>>2713671
>Those mods are still built on the Doom engine, so they're on-topic.

The ZDoom engine for something like Adventures of Square is so far removed from the Doom engine it's not even funny.
It's like saying Half-Life 2 was built on the Quake engine. It's technically correct, but only because it was used as a basis.

>>2713685
How do you spend so much time digging for drama and still pretend you're not in the same league as your average forum shitter?

>>2713696
>s-stop talking about Doom 4! stop it! STOP IT!
>Doom 4 discussion is fine
>it has nothing to do with Doom! despite being a sequel and despite being a continuation of the franchise and
>neither does any of this shit but it's still fine to talk about
>YOU'RE DIGGING FOR DRAMA

Sure, okay.

>>2713629
I cringe at the thought of the sound the barrel probably made as it was being crushed

>>2713718
Did it take all two of your braincells for that one?
You do this shit all the time. I've seen it on /vg/, /v/, /tg/ of all places. You home in on one thing and then blow it out of proportion, but you never know what the fuck you're talking about. The minute someone calls you out on that, you fall back to shitslinging because that's all you know how to do.

>>2713724
https://youtu.be/b7ex3ejXnEo?t=51s

>>2713639
no it's not. the image you replied to quotes the /vr/ rules in their entirety and they are quite clear. why do you continue to make shit up?

i want germany to leave for good

>>2713738

It looks like you're the one shitslinging, mate.
You either don't like my argument or don't have a rebuttal to it, so rather than respond to it you're throwing a temper tantrum.
It's fine to admit that you're wrong, anon; being wrong on the internet isn't really that big a deal.

>>2713685
It's still Doom engine. You can load up a vanilla Doom map and play it in ZDoom. I very highly doubt you can play Quake maps in HL2.

>>2713226
Valiant's e2m1 seemed to have plenty ammo for all weapons by the end, I might have to check Scythe's later levels again.
>>2713230
Trying out STRAIN right now, there were a couple maps where ammo was really tight, thanks! afraid I won't get that again in later maps after getting a backpack, though.. Is STRAIN balanced for pistol starts?
>>2713310
Sadly this map was mostly a SSG-fest (and balls hard), the ammo usage was ridiculously precise though (also limiting ammo in a map with PEs and Viles is pretty lame).

Thanks guys, I appreciate it!

>>2713759
>You can load up a vanilla Doom map and play it in ZDoom.

If we wanted to get into extremely nitpicky territory, you can only do that if you load Doom's data via an iwad. By itself, ZDoom can't play vanilla Doom maps. If you try, you get <!> and blue/white grids everywhere.
This could be a fine point of experimentation. If you loaded Quake's data in Source, could you play Quake maps? gmDoom suggests yes.

>>2713758
Just put your trip back on.

>>2713770

I don't have a trip. Are you confusing me with someone else?

>>2713751
>the image you replied to quotes the /vr/ rules in their entirety and they are quite clear. why do you continue to make shit up?

It's hardly "making shit up", it's "shit that actually happened". As much as you vehemently deny to the contrary, when mods intervened, discussion of modern games has been allowed and off-topic complaining about them have been the ones that were deleted. This means it's permissable within the rules.

>>2713769
No fucking shit you need an IWAD. You need one to play Doom at all. But you can't just take your Quake .pak files and throw them at hl2.exe and start playing Quake.

>>2713769
this argument seems like bunk to me because the 1.9 version of doom (doom.exe) doesn't run doom by itself, it needs an iwad, just like all the source ports do

>>2713231
why the fuck am I this jelly

>>2712631
>Assisted platform jumping
what would that entail

>>2713813
>>2713815

Fair point, my mistake.

>>2713823
Hi Mark

>>2713842
nah

>>2713764
Couldn't tell you if STRAIN is balanced for pistol starts, but it's so old that it may very well be designed with the possibility in mind

This is gonna cause some heavy shitposting on esreality. Particularly if MG to 6 applies on TDM.

>>2712604
lol

>>2713932
I don't get why they want unified damage across the board honestly. I really think it won't work.
>>2713960
I wasn't justifying it.
But in any case, it's not just the sky anyways.

why is Doom so f*cking good lads

>The Son Of A Bitch

Awww yee--FUG

>>2714172

Well tuned simplistic gameplay in sprawling maps. Demons are cool

A new slaughtermap I'm working on. Will post more screens.

Hi guys i loaded nuts.wad with shotguns.pk7

>>2714265
cool story

Also, I'll post more screens if anyone wants them.

FVCK

Shotguns indeed.

>>2714275
More shotguns

>>2714276
what is the shotguns per second anon?

Doom II is $4.99 on Steam. I already have Wolfenstein 3D. I may get this game when I get paid, what is so great about it?

>>2714292
Everything. You honestly don't need to buy it, the people that created the game won't get a penny, so I honestly think pirating is more ethical, lol.

The game is an undying classic and still has a massive playerbase and community to this day for a reason.

>>2714292

Save your money, pirate the Doom 2 IWAD and buy Dangerous Dave on the App Store instead

>>2714292
It's the greatest FPS of all time and a step up from Wolfenstein in every way

you shouldn't pay for it though because the money just goes to Bethesda/Zenimax and they're terrible

>>2714292
Don't buy. There's a download link somewhere in the OP where you can get the entire series. It's way better than Wolfenstein in every way and there's a reason we are all playing this game over 20 years after it was released.

>>2714292
It takes the power fantasy concept a LOT further than modern games.

>>2714297
>somewhere in the OP
In the FAQ that is.

>>2714274
>>2714275
>>2714276
haha
why are there grey ones and red ones? do they signify something? just curious, never played this mod

>>2714347

hah, they're not gray, they're blinking.

it's shotguns.wad, it 'should' be on best-ever

>>2714292
Doom 1 + 2 are simply solid FPS games. After that you have a fuckton of user made stuff.

Nobody involved in the creation of the first two Doom games (as well as Final Doom) work at iD Software anymore, so you'd really just be giving money to Bethesda.

>>2714383
motherfuckers act like they forgot about kev

>>2714397

wow

do you guys like or have any favorite Doom speedruns or TAS's

pic related, it's me

>>2714397
Like any of the money goes to him now that Zenimax is in charge

>>2714416
yeah he probably gets paid the same salary regardless

I started playing Final DOOM

>>2714459
haha that's a great picture
if you made that, nice job

>>2714459
Cute pic.

>>2709435
TNC 484
https://www.doomworld.com/php/topstory.php?id=4498

i do like it being weekly again. it's not been weekly for like a decade...

>>2714275
>>2714276
so funny

what is the purpose of this

Okay, this is driving me up the wall.

I want to make a mod in pk3 format because it's more ordered than WAD, but New Game always starts at Entryway. My map is in the "maps" folder, and I think I defined it properly in the MAPINFO. (map "name" "name {}).

I must be doing something wrong.

>>2714647
Remove all existing episodes with clearepisodes and then define a new episode starting with your map.

>>2714657
Huh. I thought DOOM2 doesn't have episodes?

Or did they define the entirety of it as an episode, hence why it is required?

>>2714659
In ZDoom, Doom 2 has one episode. As a result, ZDoom skips the episode select screen because, well, what's the point.

So, you'll want something like:

episode "MYMAP"
{
name = "My Custom Episode"
key = "m"
}

>Tfw you have gr8 wad ideas but no skills and nobody whose willing to use the idea.

Guess it's time to learn.

I'd love to make an adventure wad based on the killswitch creepypasta. It could work pretty well and given doom is in first person ghast being an invisible demon wouldn't be a problem.

alright, lets have couple of opinions here

what makes a good E1M1 or Map01?

>>2714682
An ideal first level is sort of a mission statement for the rest of the mod. Small, memorable architecture and a slightly relaxed monster count while setting the mood and tone for the rest of the map pack and basically saying "Yo. This is how it's gonna be. You in?"

They may not be very long or difficult, per-se, but they stick in your head long after the rest of the mod. First impressions are crucial!

>>2714681
it can't be that good an idea if nobody else is interested

>>2714693
well fuck you too buddy

>>2714663
Yup. Now it's working. Thanks!

To get rid of the red "MAP01" in front of a level name on the Automap I defined a cluster, set it as a hub, and made the map part of that hub. I don't actually plan on any hub based maps, but I wanted to be rid of the MAPXX indicator. And this seems to be the only way.

Why is Quake 2 so perfect bros??

>>2714710
Please kill yourself anon. Sincerely from the bottom of my heart.

>>2714260
>slaughtermap
try making something that actually involves strategic gameplay. Your maps look nicely detailed but a slaughtermap is a guaranteed way to turn me off of a mapset.

>>2714736
slaughtermaps often require a great deal of tactical and strategic planning anon. you appear to be labouring under the misapprehension that the term means "hold down the BFG fire button and win".

that said it is Nambona the Terryfag so i don't expect much.

>>2714723
look at this angsty little autist /vr/oom

Imagine if they start inspecting the PC from that fuckhead from Oregon and find BD in it.

>>2714682

Pretty much >>2714692 nailed it, but you should also consider doing what Romero did, start working on the first map once you know how to create a map. The last map should always be the first one because of this.

>>2714736
>dis nigga doesn't know that ammo is more about stategic activation than killing things in slaughtermaps

It's like you don't even holy hell

>>2714993

But Holy Hell is like, the last example one would use for a slaughtermap. Sunder, Whales and Sunlust beat it any time of the day.

How do I add custom fonts to a pk3? I know they should go into the graphics folder, but as a lump or PNG? And what should I add to FONTDEFS? Neither the wiki nor the forum were very enlightening to me on that matter, it's one of the things I wish there was a tutorial for.

>>2715020
Depends what file format. If it's a BMF or a Zdoom font compiled by Imagetool, just throw it in the base of your PK3. Simple!

If it's individual images for every character, you'll need to use FONTDEFS and I don't know much about that. Sorry.

>>2712519
It gets worse, especially 12 and 28.

>>2715037
Thanks anyway! The wiki entry mentioned something about explicit definitions but not how they are structured.

Looking at Hocus Pocus, it goes something like this:

FONTNAME
{
CHARCTER FILEPATH
}

With each new line being a new character. That seems like some excessive workload. What's the benefit of this as opposed to a BMF or a compiled font?

>>2713860
It's not. Play continuously or with a mod to make the pistol starts easier.

>>2714693

You're a dumbass.

>>2714723
>>2714743

And so are you.

>>2714260
>>2714263
>>2714268

Looks pretty. Getting a very newgothic vibe from it.

>>2715047
ehh, 12 is quite nice apart from that what-were-they-thinking barrel opening. it's so worth it when you turn the power back on and all the plant bays light up.

>>2715117
but it ultimately doesn't matter since you found a way to appear smarter than all of them right now, right? ;^)

What's the best way for a Doom noob to get into the series? I'm playing through the first episode of Doom 1 in Chocolate Doom (on Ultra Violence). Should I finish all of the first game episodes then go right into Doom 2, or are there WADs I should play before that?

Also, best WADs for beginners?

>>2715156
>Should I finish all of the first game episodes then go right into Doom 2

my sources say yes

>>2715156

Yeah, that seems about right. Don't feel the need to blow all the way through Doom 2, since at the midway point the levels start to turn shitty.
As for best wads for beginners, take a look at >>2709920 and see what stuff looks interesting.
My personal suggestions would be Scythe and Scythe II.

>>2715172
>Scythe and Scythe II
>for beginners

anon, what are you doing

do you want him to suffer anon
do you
do you
do you
do you

h
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h

>>2715187

Pre map26 Scythe is excellent for beginners, same with pre map23 Scythe II. The slaughtermap levels don't really come until extremely, extremely late.

did anyone else play doom2 first? i didn't get original (ultimate) doom until a year later

>>2715132
I tried to pistol start it. Even once you get through the barrels, hide behind the shotgunner there are two chaingunners that will finish you off half the time. Then you have to do the barrel part again. Once you finally survive both, you're low on health MUCH too low on ammo vs. packs of mid-range monsters. Then there's the arachnotron out in space.
>>2715187
>>2715198
The first part of Scythe 1 is playable after beating Doom 1 and 2 on UV. That's what I did. The last 10 maps just bumped me down to HMP. Avoid Scythe 2 for a while though. The third episode is out to kill you.
>>2715204
I feel bad for you. I played them in order and felt Doom 2 was much worse than the original.

>>2715205
>I feel bad for you. I played them in order and felt Doom 2 was much worse than the original.
exactly, if you play them in the right order doom2 seems like a disappointment. but if you play doom2 first, it's not...

>>2715212
also i had had a year to practise so when i got to e4m2 it wasn't unplayably hard

>>2715204
lol same here

though I longed and mourned so long to play Doom 1 for so many years when I was a kid that when I finally did I loved every second of it, it's just so comfy and entertaining to blaze through

though my thoughts on Doom 1-inspired mapsets and custom episodes is that most are kinda boring tbh, I never got through Classic Episode or the first DTWID.wad because of that same reason, like it gets really tiring and boring and samey for me for some reason

I just can't get past a couple of levels without just dropping it for a while and going back to Doom II mapsets from feeling so burned out

>>2715218
heh yeah when i actually got ultdoom i pretty much 100%ed the original three episodes in a day, it was too easy, but it was beautiful.

i don't share your burnout - i love both mapsets you mentioned - but i think i understand it: there isn't the variety of monsters, so you're always basically fighting one of three kinds of enemy, a hitscanner, a melee charger, or a slow-moving aimed-straight-at-me projectile thrower.

wew

fun game

>>2715345
congratulations!

>>2715416
>once you slap the big fat asses

>>2715345
Time for episode 2!

>>2715470
It's currently kicking my ass right now (E2M4)

On the subject of D2 being worse than D1, that's pretty much only in the graphic design. Doom 2 by itself had just fine level design, gameplay-wise.