/vr/ - Retro Games

>>2709705
I've never seen a PVM from behind before. I am not even sure what to look for.

>>2709701
wow those crts are making my mouth water

>>2709715
You will know cause it has a million things you won't know how to use.

>>2709701
Looks like deformed zombie heads wearing ruffs.

>>2709701
>Dat PVM-14M2U & Olympus offbrand 20M2MDU
If my wife had let me bring this Megaview home, OP and I would be identical CRT bros.

>>2709715
You wanna see PVM ass? Here, second result in google imagesearch.

http://www.broadcastbaron.com/picsandpdfs/pvm20l5sony2100589back.jpg

>>2709750
Sell wife acquire CRT waifu.

>>2709790
Nowhere near as good as some of the older NECs though.

>Trying to sell my 20L2
>Check prices of 20" PVMs sold on ebay
>Almost everything is 200-400+
Jesus who the fuck is buying these

>>2709819
>who is buying
The public is ravenous for a perceived dwindling supply. Don't ruin this for me, I've gotta offload my own extra 20L5 to pay some bills.

>CRT ass shot
Oh fug that's hot. What's the model?

>>2709301

You're really asking the wrong group of people

Will an LCD technically display your game? Yes. If you don't mind the input lag and shit blacks and upscaling and so on. Will it be as good as a CRT? No.

Hell why are you even asking this, you know the answer. Yes, you can play Duke Nukem and Doom on an LCD if you want and maybe even have a good time but it's an inferior display.

>>2709865
I had assumed that post was bait.

>>2709750

i wish my girlfriend would understand my CRT hobby. I'm gonna have a 3rd PVM soon and havent told her.

>>2709895

Mine seems to be at least amused by it, and admits they're pretty nice. We don't live together though so the space doesn't really affect her

My roommate should hate me, but he loves it lol. I told him about my second 36" before I brought it home, mentioned I made a huge mistake (buying it when I already had a 36" in our living room) and he though the huge mistake was going to be passing up on the opportunity to get it

Now our living room has 3 CRTs in it

>>2709921
You're surrouned by good people. Good for you.

>>2709819
Holy crap. What is the Model number? What are these NEC monitors called?

>>2709140
Is it a PAL N64? If it's really washed out and too bright, the extra 75ohm termination might have come off the composite video line (inside the console-end plug/backshell)

Google etim's RGB board as well. You can get RGB out of any N64 with one of those. Too fiddly for a beginner to solder though, and you have to figure out which RGB cable you're using.

Otherwise, S-Video, remembering that a PAL N64 needs a special S-Video cable. And that PAL N64 S-Video can be fiddly to use on a PVM. (I've had problems, at least. Can anyone confirm this?)

>>2709505
That's us, yep

>>2709839
>What's the model?
I'm guessing a section of PVM-20L5

>>2709140
>>2710158
I've recently gotten my N64 RGB modded. Surprisingly, it turned out that I have a very rare brazilian model that has the VDC NUS A chip, meaning all I needed was the RGB Amp.

It looked amazing. If you're going to bother doing something to the N64, skip S-Video and go straight for the SCART cable, which will also double as a SNES cable if you don't already have one.

>>2710168
Nah dude I was talking about the NEC model.

requesting kya's webm of the crt array

>all these megaview pics

brehs....

Are we doing ass-shots? This is my PVM-2030's rump

>>2710405
Here's the XBR960, this thing's gotta fat ass

>>2710305
>>2683614

>>2710421

i feel dumb

I havent turned on my bvm/pvms in ages and I have irrational fear that they will be dead. what do i do?

>Asked for asses
>Got asses

Thanks /vr/. Never change.

I'll get a PVM eventually but for now the upscaler is still the best for me, mostly because I can record from it using my Elgato. If I could record directly from the SCART I would but there's no equipment that does that.

>>2709839
>>2709963
That specific model is the NEC 3PG or PG-2710.

>I've gotta offload my own extra 20L5 to pay some bills.
I doubt you'd want to ship it all the way up to PA, but if it was an alright price, I'd be tempted to take it off your hands.

>>2710305
>>2710423
When and if I get this new camera, I'm going to take a new one. Probably going to need to get more RCA cables by then too, since feeding RGB to all three at once as in the OP takes nearly all I have.
It'll be even more wild if I move the 20M2MDU up there as well.

>>2710372
Anything specific you'd like?

>>2710435
Have another.

>>2710462
>Exposed insides

Censor that shit, bruh. This is a blue board.

>>2710463
Nah

>>2710469
Stop, I don't want to fap tonight.

>>2710469

>>2710476

>>2709839
>>2709963
>What model?
It says PG-2710 right there guys.

>>2710515

oh my sweet merciful jesus

>>2710515
That looks fucking nice. Now you just need curtain to cut out that awful lighting reflecting on your screen.

>>2710462
>if I get this new camera
And now it is no longer an if.

Now I just have to wait; Here's hoping it is in as "excellent" condition as best buy says.

>>2710515
SL's CRT photos always make me jealous. They just look so well composed.
Needs to get off his ass and post some photos of his 20M4 though.

>>2710538
What camera did you get?

>>2710538

what camera did you get?

my phone takes good pictures but im wondering if my moms point n shoot does better

Any CRTs out there that don't weigh a ton, don't give eye strain and are efficient on power?
imo retro games look fine on a lcd running at 1080p on my cfw PS3

>>2710538
>>2710548
To give a hint >>2700613 Didn't get it for quite as cheap as that anon did, but $240 before s/h/t isn't bad at all.

>im wondering if my moms point n shoot does better
That all depends on how decent your phone's camera is, but that's exactly what I've used: My mother's Kodak M863 that she probably took a total of 30 photos with max, then a used one that I got for <$15 after her's broke. It gave me a hell of a lot of photos though. 12000 or so before it went.
I've been wanting a new one for a while now, but the big thing that's pushed me is the replacement I bought was acting up and refusing to focus properly for a while.

>>2710552
>Any CRTs out there that don't weigh a ton...?

They're called 9" PVMs and they're awesome. 8-9kg of goodness in a tight little package. They even come with a carry-handle on top.

>>2710550
Le overrated RPG gaem

>>2710617

Was this post really necessary?

What do you guys think about
Sony trinitron KV-27S42

I just got a trinitron kv-20fs120 but I'm thinking about trading up for the bigger screen and then finding a small one to accompany it.

Is the s42 a good model? Also re-assure me it won't suffer from any input lag as I use the crt for ... Melee

>>2710683
Nvm the 27s42 only supports composite and s video as opposed to component which my fs120 does support

>>2709839
>on't ruin this for me, I've gotta offload my own extra 20L5 to pay some bills.
L5s are actually worth money though. 600 line RGB models are fetching 300-400 and even some of the sub 600 line or non RGB shit was getting 200+.

Sony kv-1514? Anybody know shit about this

>>2710424
Just never turn them on again and sell them to someone who doesn't give a shit.

>>2710731
When are you going to take pics of your 5" pleb

>>2710435
>record from scart
Well there are some capture cards that do handle RGB input over regular old phono connectors, as long as sync's on green. I would use a cheap Extron interface to do it instead though, since that would probably handle resolution switching on the fly better than the capture card ever will.

I'm setting up rack full of components to make livestreaming RGB sources simple and modular. Kinda want to start a retro studio where almost everything is analog.

>>2710706
I'm going to try and sell my extra 20L5 locally first for less, then put it on eBay if there's no takers. I have a box sized for a BVM 20F1U that the L5 should fit in decently and a bunch of high grade foam to surround it, but I'm not about to take a loss on shipping.

>>2710735
Guts or just running? I can snap a photo on my phone before walking out the door in 15 minutes to get to work. Guts will have to wait until this afternoon.

>>2710750
Why not take it to work? It's only a 5".

How much are you trying to get locally?

>>2710753
I could take it to work but I did that yesterday and don't want to make my coworkers think I'm actually crazy. They already are suspicious.

For the 5041Q? $15 locally. For the 20L5? $200 locally.

>>2710758
>200
That's not too bad.

I've always wondered if there is any major different in PQ between the L5 and low-mid end 20" BVMs.

>>2710759
Download the brochures and compare specs if you really want to be sure of the differences. The Sony sales sheets are pretty useful.

>>2710764
Well I'm pretty sure they use the same phosphors and have the same line count, but does that mean the picture quality will be the same? Could there be differences simply between two models of tube even if they are spec'd the same?

Shame it'd be virtually impossible to amass a collection of sony PVMs for side by side comparison, since the differences in wear/setup would likely offset the differences in PQ.

>>2710768
I'm collecting monitors right now to do that. Currently have:

1x BVM 20F1U
2x PVM 20L5
1x PVM 14M4
2x PVM 5041Q

Working on getting some 8s, 9s and 14s.

Anyhow, if two monitors have the same line count and phosphors the main difference will be inputs, build quality/depth or availability of on-screen menus and what addons/accessories Sony developed for each set.

I know my BVM has an probe port for auto setup, so a while ago I grabbed a NIB probe off eBay for $15. Haven't got the chance to use it yet.

>>2709701
I've been trying to find a good small TV/VHS set for retro gaming and movies. Anyone got a good suggestion? 9-13" is my range.

>>2710796
Would you say there are any major PQ differences between the M4>L5>F1 for 15k inputs? I've read the F1 is crazy sharp, almost like using a PC CRT. I -think- they all use the same or very similar phosphors, so the main differences should be sharpness?

I'd deff swap out one of the L5s for a 600 line set.

>>2710812
I got the BVM last week but planned for it for over a year lel. Haven't got the chance to test it yet. It was used at Harpo Studios in Chicago to edit Oprah shows before she shut down and moved to California. I expect it'll be stupid sharp, judging by the photos I've seen from others. I have a decent SLR camera and macro lens, so whenever the set does get turned on, I'll deliver some softcore phosphor porn.

Does anyone have a list of the different Sony PVM model numbers and which are the best worst? Have some money to finally pull the trigger on buying one...

>>2710949
This is how the Sony naming scheme works.

Production/Professional Video Monitor (PVM)
Broadcast Video Monitor (BVM)

Size in inches diagonal (5, 8, 9, 14, 20, 24, 32).

Quality/features level (L#, F#, etc.). This is where things sometimes get murky, because Sony didn't always follow a perfect pattern.

The last letter on a model is often omitted because it doesn't matter much. E for Europe, U for States denoting the area the monitor was originally meant to ship to. Doesn't matter much because it only really changes some default on screen language settings.

Please correct me on this if I'm mistaken. I'm writing this from memory at work and I'm 90% sure that there's an official document out there that is more accurate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-eokXK9mB0


has anyone ever done this trick?
I have a euro trinitron but no remote so I can't.

>>2711040
This is pretty much all correct. The older models, I think sometime around the early/mid 90s, used a four digit system. The first two numbers were the screen size, i.e. 1953, 2030, 8053. It gets a bit weird because I believe the 19/20 models and 13/14 models would basically have the same screen size. Actually I'm not sure if they ever used 13.... Anyway, the smaller sets had the size as the first digit, so 50 and 80 were 5" and 8". The second two models were used for quality and features, for PVM I believe 53 was usually the higher end 600 line sets. BVMs and sub 13" sets used different number sets.

Finally, MD was added at the end for medical units. I'm still not sure if they had any more shielding or anything otherwise different from the studio sets aside from color and splash guards.

Here's the important ones I remember.

xx53 (13/14??/19)
>600 line PVM, RGB inputs, I believe these could be set to YPbPr like the later M2 models?
xxM2 (14/20)
>600 line PVM, RGB, yPbPr capable. Introduced mid 90s?
xxL2 (14/20)
>600 line PVM, RGB, YPbPr options. Very similar to the M2 models but with newer menus and no aperture knob. I don't ever find myself wanting to tweak that knob anyway. These were introduced early 00s if memory serves, and I think were the last new CRT PVM model introduced.

xxM4 (14/20)
>800 line PVM, RGB, YPbPr option. Higher line count tube version of the M2, but still 15khz input only. This is the same line count as most BVMs.
xxL5 (14/20)
>800 line PVM, RGB, YPbPr option. multi scan tube with 480p/720p support. I believe the tube goes up to 1080i, I'm not sure exactly how it handles scaling but this is basically the highest end PVM you can get. It's pretty much a BVM with some built in components instead of being based entirely on add on cards. They are also sought after, and the holofag is selling one if you want to visit the shithole that is florida.

(cont)

>>2710515
THERE HE IS AGAIN


your tekken 3 photo is so famous

>>2711059
xxL1 (14/20)
>600 line, composite+svid input only. These I believe used the same or a very similar tube to the L2, but had greatly reduced controls and no RGB input. Introduced around the same time as the L2.

xxN6 (14/20)
>500 line, RGB input but no YPbPr? Also very reduced controls like the L1.
xxN5 (14/20)
>500 line, basically a N6 without RGB input.

I'm pretty fuzzy on all of the number models and BVMs, but chances are those are the important ones you'll come across. Some of the letter series have 9" models (i.e. 9L1), but the 9" tubes are usually a much lower line count and should be avoided unless you really want one.

>tfw have to pick between two CRT
>tfw can't bring myself to throw one away

>tfw was waiting to go and pick up my grandma's old CRT
>one of the flat Sonys from like 2002 with progressive scan and composite, s-video, component hookups, and widescreen
>she gave it away like last week

>>2711123
Those don't handle SD signals right anyway. I managed to get a guy on a facebook group to post a macro shot of one he bought running SNES over Svideo and it was disgusting.

>>2711107
Craigslist? Why would you throw a crt away

>>2711107
Dreading the day I have to move in with a fiance.

>27 in Trinitron
>36 in Trinitron
>25 in Sony PVM
> 27 in Zenith 480 CRT
> 40 in Flat Pioneer 4:3 Plasma CRT

Plus my regular old 42 in Vizio. The Zenith is the first to go. But it is really going to be hard to pry that 27in Trinitron from my hands.

I think can keep the Pioneer, 36' Trinitron and the PVM since I've done a pretty good job of documenting wanting them for a future mancave arcade setup.

>>2711059
I love you man.

>>2711069
Some dude got into a bidding war with me over a 9 inch Sony field monitor yesterday and won. He ended up paying $150 for it. Way too much for the thing, in my opinion. Maybe he really wanted the portabrace bag it came with.

>>2711165
> 40 in Flat Pioneer 4:3 Plasma CRT
wut

>>2711159
They are big & bulky, and it may take a while for someone who actually cares enough to come pick it up to take it.

>>2711210
This, not my image. I dont have the attached speakers though.

>>2711210
>plasma CRT
I don't even.

>>2711290
It's like killing off a dying breed though. Shame on you.

Sony pvm-14m2e for 280.
Should I get?

>>2711302
I'm sorry, I know its not technically the correct terminology but thats the best way to describe it because if you just say "Plasma TV" people assume the modern style slim plasma screen and not the 85lb plus tv that this monitor is.

>>2711312
I've seen 3 of these monitors in real life ever and never have I ever seen the speakers. They did not come with the monitor, they are just recommended accessories.

If I knew what the speakers product number is I'd go on a quest for them though.

God damn I love this game

>>2711301
It's just a plasma, no CRT here.

>>2711320
>280
That's a lot of money.

Then again I personally don't like the idea of paying more than ~75USD for any 600 line.

>>2711159
Well, not literally throw away but I'd have to get rid of it. Probably give it to someone else. I've got really limited space so keeping two CRTs and my CRT monitor is pretty much impossible.

I've got two LGs right now, one is small and pretty damn sharp and flat and the other is bigger which is better if I keep just one. Just can't decide which one looks better.

>>2711165
If she says the CRTs gotta go, get rid of her.

>>2711510
I can understand throwing away cheap consumer models, but the nice stuff stays.

You can usually argue that the wimminz got shoes or some other useless junk around though.

>>2711450
I know. See >>2711353 for my explanation of calling it a "CRT"

>>2711320
Yeah that's too much for 14 inches.

Here's a photo of the guts of a 5041Q. the side boards (wings!) aren't spread because I have the tube on making sure the NTSC decoding circuit doesn't shit out on me.

>>2711301
Wow! That is a weird fucking thing. 640x480 native resolution?

Would it hurt my eyesight to put a 21 inches crt next to my pc monitor, and play games on it from the same distance I work on my pc?

>>2712138
Wow, could you be any more vague and subjective? I'm going to assume that your monitor is also in the 20" range and say no, although you may find it to be a bit on the large size to play so close up on but we don't know how far you sit from the PC either. Why don't you emulate some games in different size windows on your PC monitor and figure out what the ideal diagonal size is from that distance?

>>2711320
Far too much money.

>>2711915
Hawt

Assuming my set up is this:

PSX, Modded Top Loader NES both outputting SCART

into an SCART to Component converter/scaler box

into an HD CRT


Would it be worth hooking an SLG SCART into the chain? I have the opportunity to purchase one second-hand for $20.

>>2712173
For $20 try it and see. Even better would be an SD 15kHz set.

>>2712182
Hmm should add a 15kHz set to the wish list, I've only got a PVM-1380 and a KV-30HS420.

I suppose I don't have much to lose, just a little offput by the seemingly mixed reviews of the SLG SCART, that said it the reviews seem to be quite tainted by circumstance

>>2712191
>PVM-1380
That is a 15kHz set, surely? So old it probably doesn't say so, though the design is still pretty smooth.

>>2712140
cool shot

>tfw badassconsoles still hasnt put out the gamecube component cable clone

jesus i am dying inside. 3 more weeks till prototypes are tested. I'd rather wait then buy all the spensive components and solder shit though

>>2712397
>Not playing your Gamecube games on a Wii
inb4 GBA player

>>2712460
Not just that. Apparently, the GameCube has sharper component output than the Wii does.

>>2712460
>>2712461

i have a wii to play gc and gba games on

as much as i'd like to have scanlines on my gba games, the aspect ratio and vbaGX dont wanna cooperate.

I'd love to get more use out of the one gamecube with the digital port i have

>>2711301
That thing is so sci-fi. It's awesome. Like you can just imagine how they thought that looked in 1999 or whenever that thing came out. This was brand new, state of the art technology, so they would've designed it to look as "cool" and "futuristic" as possible without being silly. And that beautiful profile is what they got.

Damn, no 15kHz though.

>>2711915
>tube on while fussing around with the insides

Please Help!!
I'm thinking about picking up this panasonic monitor.

I know it was the inputs I want, and even a built in speaker.
But look at pic-related. It seems like it only displays 480i.

Does that mean I won't be able to play super famicom and the like, or am I an idiot?
I should be able to get it pretty cheap but I want to know if it's any good. Thanks!

>>2710515
Is there an American equivalent to this incredible beauty? No joke I audibly gasped when I opened this picture

Currently running a Commodore 1702 but looking to branch out and because CRTs are a helluva drug

>>2712556
It'll work with 240p as well. 240p is essentially the exact same signal as 480i, just made to skip every other field.

>>2712556
You should be able to play your Super Famicom no problem on it. 480i is just the highest res it will be able to use. So 240p and all that will work.

>>2712531
>the aspect ratio and vbaGX dont wanna cooperate.
Only the fork on GBAtemp properly does 240p at the correct aspect ratio.

>>2712556
480i is standard definition video, and what 240p is technically based on.
Aside from being a bit on the small side, it should play perfectly fine with any old consoles.

>>2712559
You mean to the CRT itself?
The PVM 1390 uses the same design; Doesn't have a SCART connector, but still accepts RGB over a CMPTR connector.

>>2712565
>>2712564
>>2712561
Thanks y'all

thoughts on late model widescreen quintrix's? There's one with scart ports in my area.

$4.30 SCART Cable + 3 resistors + a few scraps of wire to jump ground to more than just 2 pins = Not that bad actually

There are a bit of jailbars, but it could be much worse and was before adding the resistors and extra ground connections.

>>2712832
Image is messed up for me, no idea why. Thumbnail looks odd and fullsize is all white.

>>2712846
https://a.pomf.cat/nbcckt.jpg
How's that?
Maybe the large resolution? 9840x2460 is pretty big.

>>2711947
not that guy, but 4:3 plasmas did exist.
i considered bidding for a lot of 3 1024x768 4:3 panels a while back, but decided against it because they had splotchy discoloration of unknown origin (was part of a mobile surgery vehicle so for all i know coulda been some sort of biological fluid damage).

incidentally, some of the older "monitor" plasma displays state they support 120Hz vga input, which is moderately interesting

>>2712138
why would it? they made 21 inch crt pc monitors you know.
i have a (now a bit old pva) 1920x1200 panel side by side a 1600x1200 dell trinitron

>>2712848
Okay that worked. Very nice.

Have you color balanced your sets though?

>>2712957
I haven't touched the 14M2MDU or OEV203 at all service menu wise, and the Megaview has only seen a bit of fiddling around with in it's menu here and there.

I will say that both of the former, in those photos, have both the brightness and contrast turned down to compensate for leaving the Megaview's outputs open. Same thing with the OP, except I didn't do as mush as I probably should have with that one.

Still not sure how I'm going to go forward with fixing the 14M2's discoloration issue. Putting a speaker next to it works just like with the Megaview, but is a real bother for a smaller set like that.

>>2711947
>>2712902

Yes 640x480 native.

I'm a dummy so I'm not familiar with the "15Hz" terminology. But the video input I use is standard VGA input.

Set up is
Component Softmodded Xbox
Component Backward Compatible PS3
Scart to Component Sega Saturn

to

Component Switcher

to

Component to VGA adapter

to

Arcade Forge Scanline Generator

to

4:3 plasma monitor

I had some screen close ups in the previous thread. I also need to pull out my legit camera to take some nicer pictures.

>>2712565

ooh theres a fork? well i know what im doing with californias first rain day.

>>2713092
http://gbatemp.net/threads/new-vba-gx-fork-2-3-0.371284/

>>2713105

oh man thanks for the link kya!
looks like i was downloading mGBA.

Have the people who say they hate scanlines ever seen a PVM or BVM or some other high quality CRT in person?

>>2713189
No.

>>2712543
How else do you think people make adjustments on these things?

Is the Sony bvm-20f1u the best retro gaming monitor for nes-gcn?
This site says so, would like to see what y'all think

http://www.tested.com/tech/gaming/456719-best-crt-retro-games/

>>2713304
Tested.com's article (RIP Whiskey Media) was written by a dude who basically interviewed RetroRGB.com's operator for most of his information. Basically it's an article by a plebian who quotes a pretty knowledgeable nerd. Anyone with a week's worth of free time and three hundred dollars can assemble a better guide to RGB monitors and upscaling. RetroRGB.com tries to be that introduction guide but fucks it a up with the least well designed interface I've ever had the displeasure of using. That said, the store there sells some very useful mods and is generally reliable.

Someone needs to come around and give RetroRGB a facelift or make something better. The domain is pretty much perfect though.

>>2710305
>>2710421
>>2710423
The thread is down now and archive.moe searching backend is down too...

>>2713362

>>2713450
CAPCOM

>>2713464
Soon I should have a new one that isn't so blurry.

>>2713450
I can hear the music without it actually being there. Fucking Megaman X enveloping my formative years.

I wonder if any regular poster here has ever slipped up and killed himself working on his CRT, and we'd never even know

>>2713470
I did as well

I'm surprised that, while I like X4's Japanese opening song better, it just doesn't work for the intro like the western one does.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpF2xrfE5QA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7-KGcOYpt4

>>2713497
needs moar electrical communication

HA. Just got an email from the guy who I bought my PVM from 2 years ago. Hes now selling the same model for DOUBLE the price.

Oh the times, they are a changing.

>>2710515
Sauce

>>2713753
Wow good for him. I'm wheeling my two 20L5s out tomorrow, balancing them and comparing them. One is from 03 and one is from 04. Once I figure out which one I want to keep, the other is going on Craigslist and on my local retro game store's bulletin board. I'll take a photo.

psst kid

ova here
wanna buy some BNC adapters?

>>2714015

holy shit these things are cheap, they feel like dorito frail and light and make this scratchy grindy noise screwing them on and some don't screw on all the way.

I am almost ready to go the AV shop down the street and get 6 more quality ones at a stupid higher price

>>2714042
Yeah just buy from a reputable store. RadioShack is overpriced but decent quality. Amazon should have some good dealers. Avoid eBay.

>>2714078
>tfw the RadioShack in my mall closed

Not the guy you replied to, btw, I'm just saying it kinda sucks.

>>2714084

the radio shack ones look and feel just like the ones i get at my av store, but they're 3.40 instead of 5

>>2709701
Have a shitty cam, but here's my Commodore 1084 model.Picked this up at my college during an electronics sale in 2012. Was in an attic for years. Using Composite cables from my Model 2 SNES. Seated on top of my Kotatsu.

>>2714078
>Avoid eBay.
The 20 I got the other day seem to be of decent quality, all things considered.

>>2714190

yeah i went back to look at yours for reference. The good quality ones reflect, but the ones i got look kind of like dirty nickel.

>>2714084
My local Radio Shack also recently closed.

>>2714078
I've bought eBay ones and one of the center poles did break off inside one of my BNC jacks.

I think I'd need to scrape enough of the plastic around it away to get a grip on it with needle-noses and that ain't cool.

I had no idea their was a CRT thread in here...
I have a couple questions.
>pic related
I want to put a CRT monitor next to my LED screen monitor for my PC/TV monitor
>Ive looked at well over a THOUSAND CRT monitors I've always loved them. tracking some on ebay...etc.
I am in love with the Sony Trinitron PVM 20f
but I can go smaller to save money. avg price I saw was $300+ (my budget is more around the 200 range)

I really want to use it for the S video. But is that dumb? to not use the scart? Im not sure.
So my question is what should be a good price for a PVM 20 or a BVM 14"?
also what other models would look good?

>>2714236
Fix your wires

should i avoid curved screens?

saw a sony triniton today pretty cheap, but the edges of the screen had pretty sharp curves. anyone have any idea what model it was? i forgot to look.

>>2714369
>saw a sony triniton today pretty cheap, but the edges of the screen had pretty sharp curves. anyone have any idea what model it was?

Every trinitron made from the late 60s to the late 90s.

>>2713845
Do those have hour counts on them?

>>2714386

Im pretty sure the only models with hour counts are BVMs

>>2714315
its an Ikea table with about 3000 dollars worth of equipment on it. I need a new desk let alone the wiring situation.
But about those PVM's...

So I need help, it's an odd problem.

Previous owner messed with the service menu and I think that's the cause. When setting my TV to 16:9 it displays a whole picture though stretched however changing it to the correct aspect ratio of 4:3 causes it to cut off some of the picture on the left side but never the right. Only seems to happen with the Dreamcast too.

Anyone able to help with this? I just want the picture to be consistent regardless of what I run on it. The service manual for this model is here:
https://my.mixtape.moe/hhqyxb.pdf

is olympus the generic brand of sony or what? I seen some that I thought honestly looked better than PVM's..

>>2714425
>Generic
Just a rebrand.

>>2714195
They only cost $5.59, so I really don't know how high of quality they could be.
I do know that the 5BNC->RCA/5RCA->BNC set I got have been pretty shitty; Should probably switch them out.

>>2714369
"Flat" CRTs often run into more geometry problems than their older, curved brethren.

>>2714236
>>2714394
>PVM 20F
I'm assuming you mean the BVM20F1*.

>also what other models would look good?
There are many different PVMs and BVMs that would give you quite a nice picture.
I honestly think it would be a waste to buy a high line count BVM(like the 20F1) and only use S-Video.
Do keep in mind most PVMs and BVMs are 15khz only monitors, and won't connect up to a computer without some work.

>>2714425
Rebrand/Rebadges to my knowledge.
Same idea as there being HP badged variants of the FW900.

>>2714435
>and won't connect up to a computer without some work.
I'm going to do a write up on this soon after I get another graphics card in.

>>2714380
this wasn't your typical looking curved CRT. the vertical edges were almost like 45 degree angles

>>2714435
SONY Trinitron PVM-20M2MDU
OLYMPUS OEV203

I am staying up right now negotiating with medical supply company on getting one of these?

If I get one or the other what materials will I need to get SCART-RGB video connected to 1ChipSNES /Genesis? as far as cables, adapters, and connectors...

>>2714439
that thing was probably a 79 model or somthing I've seen them with that real deep curve looking shitty.

>>2714435
Not the same anon, but could you link me to a how-to guide to connect a PVM to my pc. I have tried googling but nothing comes up.

>>2714462
See: >>2714438

>>2714445
>One
Usually medical companies have fucking pallets of these things. Buy at least two if they are a good price.

Someone might be interested in this:
http://www.shopgoodwill.com/auctions/Atari-SC1224-RGB-Color-Monitor-24561021.html

>>2714438
I'd like that, since it's something I've still yet to do anything with.

>>2714445
They're essentially the same monitor, the Olympus just has a different color case/badging.
Sight unseen, you have to take a bit of a leap on the condition of the monitor, both physically/cosmetically, and in terms of visual quality.
A really beat up looking but unused monitor can technically have a pristine image where an immaculate one could have countless hours on it and be suffering from said wear and age.
If they were both in the same exact condition, I would personally go for the Sony as it's the original branding and I prefer the white face plate of the medical series to the dark grey of the standard series and Olympus models.

I have an OEV203 in the OP, and the little brother of the 20M2MDU, the 14M2MDU next to it; This is the said 20M2MDU.


What prices are they asking?

>>2714462
Wait for the anon's guide; I have a very vague knowledge of what needs to be done and don't feel comfortable giving people advice on it as such.

>>2714472
well I dont know what's really going on with these wacky prices on ebay and amazon but its looking like 100$ for the olympus and Im trying to get the indian guy to come down to at least 150 for the Sony. He wants 175 and I will admit this this is very clean looking and has not been opened and fucked with. but I am NOT going to spend more than 200$ after its all said and done (ideally)

>>2714489
>this this is very clean looking and has not been opened and fucked with. but I am NOT going to spend more than 200$ after its all said and done (ideally)
Are you saying it's in the box or some shit, or it just looks like it hasn't been disassembled or what have you.
If the former and it hasn't been used at all, even $175 is a damn good deal. I doubt that is the case though.

Either way, neither price sound terrible for what stuff is starting to go for these days, but obviously the lower you can get them the better.
Personally, I wouldn't want to drop anymore than a bit over a hundred at this point for anything outside of a Multiformat set, of which those aren't; But that's just me.

>>2714496
nah But you can kinda see that it was babied a little bit. It looks good but it isnt mint apparently it was used for endoscopy ( lol )

Yeah I really didnt want spend more than 90 getting into this shit but when you see things like...
>SONY trinitron ( 8inches!) $400 it turns on...

it gets a little discouraging
especially when there are bids on it.

>>2714236
You need the Y/C option cards for the BVM's otherwise S-Video won't work. Most would have used RGB, and won't even have the right card. And i *think* s-video might come in different PAL or NTSC formats...? Anyone?

>>2714462
I'm going to assume you have a SCART TV/PVM/BVM/RGB monitor...

To plug a PC into a 15kHz RGB CRT you first need a graphics card with VGA out, or DVI-I and an adapter, and then a cable/way to get the signal into your RGB CRT. Google VGA to BNC, or perhaps VGA-SCART

If Windows - search for crt_emudriver, that's the easiest way. There's an amount of reading involved. And it only works for ATI gfx cards of the 4000HD series and back, thus far.

The guide below will get you start4ed with groovyMAME and crt-emudriver. Keep playing around with the VMMaker.ini file until you get the right modelines, and use ArcadeOSD to change modes. This is all done most easily on a second monitor so you can play around and windows doesn't fuck up.

http://geedorah.com/eiusdemmodi/forum/viewtopic.php?id=290

Guide is for Win 7, but there's a link at the bottom for XP.

After that, to plug PC into CRT by other methods you could use, soft 15kHz or CRU or powerstrip, though none of those is much fun.

If Linux - win. Just alter the modelines. Of course, you have to know how to use Linux.

If you can't handle any of this, or don't want to, there are graphics cards that will output S-Video, though it looks like shit for the most part. Or you could try a VGA-component converter, i think?

My card is supposed to be in by next friday, so I should have the writeup done by next weekend.

To holofag/kya/anyone else, do you have more details on the effects of bad sync/'out of range' signals being displayed on CRTs?

I live in Europe and want to import a Sega Saturn and Japanese games for it. Does it matter what region the console is? Should I get a PAL one and get an action replay or am I better of by getting a Japanese console? And are the ram carts/action replay cart itself region locked?

>>2710462
why are the Capa's doing the wave in there.?

>>2714510
It does look pretty nice. Without seeing it turned on and displaying something, you really can't tell how much wear it's possibly seen.

>apparently it was used for endoscopy

I feel ya. I luckily got my first monitor right before people started to get really interested in them and caused the prices to skyrocket, and fell into the other three.

>>2714530
>And i *think* s-video might come in different PAL or NTSC formats...?
Chroma needs to be encoded into something, so yes; It's only once you get to pure color transmission that you can do away with color encoding and the like.

>>2714546
>effects of bad sync/'out of range' signals being displayed on CRTs
You mean what they can look like, or what they can do to a monitor as in like damage or whatever?

Also, what card did you get? I've had an X600 laying around that I plan to use at some point.

>>2714556
?

>>2714571
4350. I've got a 2400XT right now and I'm pretty sure it's the source of various issues I've had.

Yeah, in terms of if/how they can damage the monitor. I've heard people talk about that vaguely but never read into it much. I've gotten some funky outputs from my PC on various occasions and the flyback makes some rather unhappy noises.

I think >>2714556 is asking why the capacitors are kinda leaning over.

>>2714190
Is that Anthony B in the background mirin' your bowl of BNC adaptors? Schway.

It's really the luck of the draw with eBay (or finding the few good sellers). Now that I have a little expendable income, I prefer to order from Markertek or B&H or other broadcast outlets.

Funny thing about Markertek: they're the only place I can find that sells windscreens for my Shure VP47AL mic. Shure's distribution system sucks ass.

>>2714236
>wants a 20F1U to fit next to his LCD on what's probably a particle board piece of furniture

Bro I hate to break this to you, but a 20F1s may not fit where you want it to go. Not only is it large in width and height, it is very, very long by CRT standards. Also it is very heavy. I'll post a side pic later this morning.

>>2714386
No, PVMs did not track hours on or hours in use. The best way to compare two identical PVMs is to color balance them and compare their output at maximum and minimum brightness and contrast. After that you'll probably want to get up close and see which has better convergence by default and test all inputs for issues.

One more thing to look at would be red bloom on the NTSC color pattern or on a full-red test. Red is often the first color to show issues when a tube needs to be revitalized. I don't recommend revitalization ever really except in the most extreme circumstances. Once you start, it often becomes a bad habit.

>>2714510
Man I really want one of those metal TV carts so bad for my future studio. Hard to come by now in my town.

>>2714546
Bad sync will only "hurt" a monitor if you leave it in that state for an extended period of time. Bad sync is very obvious, normally seen as a very quickly vertically or (less often) horizontally scrolling image with incorrect colors.

I haven't bothered going the graphics card route with adapting PC output to TV monitors. Instead I've purchased specialized boardroom/classroom presentation equipment (Crestron/Extron). I haven't done my own testing but I believe the RGB interfaces have very little processing time. The me are very affordable and have one VGA in cable or input, one VGA out for a normal monitor and one set of BNC connections for RGB out to your monitor.

My local PVM hookup is getting a few large format PVMs in stock soon. He's getting five PVM-2530s and three PVM-2950s. I'm just so tempted but I seriously don't have the room for such a big monitor. He quoted $295 for the 25 and $395 for 29. I've never seen these for sale what kind of price sounds reasonable?

>tfw you'll never play time crisis 1 and 2 with a light gun because you have no CRT

Fuck

>>2714792
Holy shit those are big dinosaurs. If they have low hours (test them side by side) then his prices may not be too far off the mark for what they may sell for on eBay. Still, a friend would cut $100 off the top in my opinion.

Are there special modules for some broadcast monitors? Some guy I talked to when looking into something on craigslist was saying that some of them were more expensive because they had extra cards or boards in them, but he didn't specify what they were for.

>>2714929
Uhhhh yeah lol have you read the thread?

Here's a picture of one module >>2711915

BVMs and some other types of monitors are modular. For example, our PVMs are built to only have so many inputs. Both of mine do Composite, S-Video, Component, and RGB but some don't. A BVM might only have a card in it capable of doing RGB for example, if its application only required that.

>>2712252
It seems to me its 50kHz? I believe that I remember reading that off the back, I'll have to double check that though.

It is an aesthetic little set but I believe it's beginning to suffer with some problems and I'm not sure how to recalibrate it or anything of the sort myself.

I'd have to down step from SCART to BNC somehow as well.

>>2714943
Nah, I'm a retard. Thanks for humoring me and taking the time to give a good response though, I appreciate it.

>>2714950
>It seems to me its 50kHz? I believe that I remember reading that off the back, I'll have to double check that though.

Not him, but what you've read was 50Hz and that's the AC frequency.
The 15kHz they were talking about was the horizontal sync frequency of SD sets, and the PVM-1380 is an SD set.

>>2714792
Ha, your guy is my guy. >>2713753 is me. I got that same email. He sold me a 2530 for $150 two years ago.

I will say he knows his stuff and it is likely great condition and he does repair and maintenance of the stuff himself. If and when you get to his place it is a broadcast media wonderland. He'll let you test anything you want right there on the spot.

He is selling these hard to find items for a premium because they are hard to find, but he is also keeping and maintaining them for optimum condition.

You likely aren't gonna get a great deal, and I doubt he is super flexible on price because he knows what hes got. But you are likely going to get a really good monitor handled well and with care.

Also he is a really nice guy, we talked for a while about various topics and he asked about gamers getting into these monitors and why.

I considered getting back to him about upgrading from a 2530 to a 2950 but I dont think it is worth the hassle.

>>2714971
Oh, no kidding... I guess I can give that SLG SCART a test on a 15kHz set then, just need to rig up a SCART to BNC adapter.

Thanks for the info

Well, I think my GDM-W900 is dead. For a few days the whole picture was slowly "sliding" downwards and now I mostly just get the power saving light flashing amber. Looking at the service manual this apparantly means "horizontal/vertical deflection failure". When I do get it working It only works for like a minute at most before turning off. Is there any hope?

>>2714973
Huh small world. His place is awesome. A lot of cool stuff in there. I bought a 1910 from him a year ago and saw he had a 20L5. Couldn't get the 20L5 off my mind and came back months later to buy it from him. I don't know if the 25 is worth that much for only 5 more inches. The 29 is tempting but costs more than my 20L5 so that's not gonna happen.

Anyone know anywhere other than ebay or Craigslist to get a PVM around Seattle? I swear it's impossible to find anything around here...

>>2715030
Good luck local, bro. Ever interested in having someone help you pick up heavy ass CRTs on a weekend or something let me know.

throwaway email: quiethumor at gmail

>>2715076
I don't know if you're willing to look there but, look in Portland too. There was one in Bellingham recently for like a month but its not there right now.

>>2715030
Where is this magic man's place?

>>2715153
Contacted the Bellingham guy but it sold shortly after... Dude just left the ad up.

>>2714694
the ikea desk is crap and im about to move the two TVs will more than likely be split up into two different places. this one's and MD unit not the BVM.

>>2715348
I didn't know Ikea sold bad desks.

>>2715348
>Dude hanging by the duct tape is playing
I never noticed that. Glorious.

I also like how you can see what's on the screens even though flash is on.

>>2715356
well it's not too bad but its a book shelf full of books and a desk full of crap.

If I could get a real nice Roll Top desk for like a grand Id like that. But, not a desk thread lol.

There's some d00d on ebay selling a few nice PVMs/BVMs at non absurd prices right now. He's shipping from VA so if you live around there, you might even be able to avoid shipping charges.

does anyone know where i can pick up a bkm 129x? there are a few on ebay, but theyre basically the same cost as a PVM.

>>2711059
Adding a bit to this since I dug up some more info. Maybe this could be added to the pastebin?

>xx44Q (13/19)
>600 line PVM, RGB inputs, supports 'component' but mentions nothing of YPbPr in the manual. Seems to be an earlier or possibly lower end version of the xx53. Has a somewhat different set of inputs
I'm somewhat confident about the line count, but it's based on retailer/medical website info instead of a sales brochure. The manual/front of the set says it has a 'super fine pitch' tube/resolution. Also comes in medical flavours.

>xx42Q (13/19)
>600 line PVM. RGB inputs, but no 'component' option. Instead it has a 'digital RGB' input which is basically a single plug for your various RGB inputs. Online manuals easily found on google have the pinout listed.

There is someone that will sell me a Pvm 1340 for $100 but I can't make myself bite the bullet. Should I do it?

>>2715783
1340?

It's sub 600 line. Not worth that kinda cash.

https://docs.sony.com/release/pvm1344Q.pdf

Try like, $25.

>>2715795
Thank you anon. I needed to hear it from someone.

Are there any good CRTs that are ABOVE 20 inches? All that shit is too small imo.

>>2715798
Could get an HD CRT in the 30"+ range

Depends what console you've got but they generally have S-Video and Component inputs so you're pretty well set if you can find one for a good price.

>>2715813
Isn't HD bad for low-res games?

>>2715819
High Res not High def

>>2715798
For easy mode into retro crt gaming:

Early 2000s Trinitrons+S-Video cable.

Range from 24in to 36in. They are is big and bulky and silver housing. Check the free section of your craigslist and you can usually find them just being given away because they are too heavy for some home owners to move.

Got my 36 in trinitron for free, but paid $80 for movers because it was too heavy to move myself and I dont have a pickup truck.

Lel the deal is off the Prices for these things are dropping like hell right now its like you can watch it happening.

My friend found a bunch of PC monitors in a dumpster, in particular this Vivitron, which is apparently a pretty high end piece of hardware (or was, at any rate) from Gateway. I mostly use a Wii w/Retroarch (the older version that can do 240p) for my emulation purposes but is there any way to do that sort of thing from a PC on a 31khz monitor without all this CRT emu driver stuff, or at least something that looks authentic (i.e. better than just using the scanline filters that all the emulators come with).

>>2710405
Finally gents, I found the one...
its not sexy as the PVM that that indian medical guy had, but it has all the features,im now waiting on my NEC

>>2715971
http://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/Display_FAQ#240p.2F480i_Emulation

>>2716005
Thank you.

noticed a small nick in my anti glare that I know wasn't there last time i played a game. Now that I've seen it I can't unsee it, it warps the picture in 2mm spot. I suspect my girlfriend.

>>2715994

i dont know much about NECs sadly, but is one that does 480p?

>>2715994
>The old NEC logo
Always sexy

Posted a few months back
I love my CRT's. Here are some.

Apple IIe composite color monitor
Pretty decent, NES games look superb.

Here's a SNES game, though: A Link to the Past.

>>2716351
heh, love that youre using composite on that ontop of a 14l5

>>2716351
And under that, a PVM-20L5 (free!)

This pic was taken today so the white balance may be a little different. But it looks GOOD.

>>2716362
And a Panasonic BT-H1390YN (broadcast monitor, RGB inputs).
Also free.
This is an older pic so it should have about the same white balance as the apple pic. Sorry about that difference - I realized I never actually photographed LTTP on my PVM.

>>2716360
*20L5

It was to show off some CRT's. :)

I had the apple one before I ever got any broadcast monitors.

And trust me, the apple one actually looks pretty nice in person, despite what that photo would suggest. I think it's my camera or some trick my eyes play on me.

>>2716362
man that does look sweet. I wish i had a 20L5, but im happy with two 14L5s and a 20L2
>>2716364
this one seriously looks wayyy too good

>>2716367
best picture I have of a 14L5 I think.

>>2716367
and for hoots sake initial D running on composite on a 14m2mdu, my first TV.

>>2716369
Nice!

I've got better 20L5 pics than the one I posted, just not of LTTP :)

Here's a decent one of Kirby's Adventure in composite on my PVM. More to follow if I find them.

>>2716370
Your first ever TV was a PVM?
Was your dad a station engineer or incredibly wealthy or both?

>>2716374
and forgot pic. Nice.

>>2716375

Final Fantasy III's shaman/white mage!

I think those ears on the hood are adorable.

>>2716376
One more I forgot about because I leant it to a neighbor kid who I was sure would treat it well, because I don't have room for two 20 inch PVM's when I'm sharing space with someone else.

on the left is my PVM-20L5, on the right is the (currently leant out) PVM-1944Q that I got from another place in town, also free. This one's much older but in good shape, though I think I have the red cranked up a tiny bit too high in this pic.

Transferring several GB of video files using an SD card reader that seems to refuse to go any quicker than 1 or 2MB/s is painful.

As is not having a single image small enough to post at full res without lowering the quality.

It's going to take so long to figure how to use everything correctly.
https://a.pomf.cat/lmpgcc.JPG

>>2716432
I lied.

Bit of moire, but oh well.

>>2716367
>despite what that photo would suggest.
It looks pretty decent to me.

>>2716381
How would you say the picture difference is between the two? It looks like the L5 is a bit blurred in that pic.

Do you guys enjoy the speaker on your PVM? Even though it's mono I find the sound really fits for retro shit.

>>2716572
You miss out a bit on the lower frequencies, but for something so small, it sounds pretty nice.
It's especially fitting for stuff that only outputs mono, be it NES or GenesisM3.
https://my.mixtape.moe/rwhmya.webm

>>2714979
>>2714979
Nononono, the SLG is only good for 31kHz and above sets (480p+). You can't feed the signal from the SLG into an SD/15kHz set, it won't work. It might work with your HD/31kHz+ CRT though.

>>2709819
>who the fuck is buying these 20 inch PVMs
People who can't get one free :)

>>2716527
the L5 is slightly crisper and the pixels look 'squarer'. If you don't need 480p/720p/1080i, the 1944Q is an excellent monitor. It takes more work to calibrate and the controls are all analog (not via OSD) but that wasn't a huge deal for me since I knew how to calibrate old TV's.

>>2716527
the L5 looks crisper IRL but only by a tiny bit when you have your nose up against the tube. The 20L5 IMO is only worth it if you can get it really cheap or you need 480p/720p/1080i support. For 480i/240p, the 1944Q does a great job, although it took a bit longer to calibrate.

>>2716591
the speaker on my panasonic broadcast monitor knocks the socks off of my 20L5. But thats okay because I have a proper stereo system.

>>2716614
Mind doing a writeup on CRT calibration? It'd be nice to have.

>>2716629
Honestly I feel like analog calibration knobs or pots are easier to work with than on screen menus. I'm having a shitty time right now with my two 20L5s. Going to get some magnets and start fucking with the purity rings soon.

>>2716669
Goin' hardcore son.

Do document your progress though, CRT calibration techniques are very hard to come by nowadays.

>most CRTs I can find are RF only
>only seen one PVM in my entire search and it was composite only
>goodwills in my area don't carry CRTs anymore
>can barely even find CRT PC monitors

Living in the midwest is suffering

PVM2530 owner.

BVMs give me scanline envy.

>>2716780
Go to a upper-middle class neighborhood and go door to door and ask if anyone has any lying around, you can even offer them a bit of money.

>>2716362
>>2716364
How did you manage to get these for free?

>>2716328
its a piece of shit is what it is I had to return it.
Now im waiting on a OEV 203

>>2716780
>returned
r00d

What are the materials list required to be able to play an SNES with 1 chip (SCART to BNC)?

>>2716626
In a perfect world, I'd be able to use my KG4s for everything, but that's not happening anytime soon.
The Megaview's speakers work very nicely for the attic setup though.

>>2716879
Original model with 1CHIP?
System, cable, breakout cable, and monitor.
SNES2/Mini?
RGB mod it, then same as the above.

>>2716892
did some comparisons pics with sor a while ago.
was a pain because of shitty cam with little adjustments available

composhit

>>2716915
svideo
you can immediatly see the gain in clarity. Reds still bleed because NTSC a shit at red

>>2716921
S-video, all day.

>>2716921
and RGB, reds get perfect. Still the jump isn't as huge as with svdeo over composhit

>>2716374
Sorry, I mean, my first crt back into retro games.
>>2716381
Oh man, I remember this from the first CRT thread I walked in on. I'm still looking for a 20L5 at a decent price. I really wish i could have the one from Jacksonville.
>>2716572
I just use a Y adapter to fit the right and left audio channels on one speaker and I'm very happy

Usually I prefer a sharper image, but with megadrive games I'd rather use composite to properly blend the dithering.

>>2716986
>properly

The same techniques were used with RGB-only systems, and are still effective even without the patterns being completely wiped-out by noise.
It's okay if you like it like that, but just don't say it's the proper way to display these effects.

>>2716986
Some games are colorful and contrasted enough that even with dithering made for composite, the clarity gain is worth is. Both Earthworm Jim games are good exemples.
Eternal Champions get a bit too grainy with higher quality connection.

The most extreme exemple is Vectorman. This game was so carefully crafted for composite display, it loses almost all it's luster when all the blending tricks are exposed.

>>2716780
>midwest
I had to buy my PVM's off of Ebay and pay for shipping. I have yet to see any worthwhile 15kHz CRT's on Craigslist or in any shops, and I live in the largest Midwestern city in this area. Don't think I'm ever going to get one of those good 25" or larger CRT's without paying stupid shipping costs.

Can someone explain the benefits of playing retro games on CRT televisions over up-converting and playing on newer TVs?

>>2717192
naturally present scan lines, no geometry issues like on flat screen crts from what I understand

>>2717192
Objectively

No native screen resolution
Faster response time
Better colors, especially blacks
Better viewing angles
Lightgun games work on it


Subjectively

Many of us prefer the look of the games with scanlines. (inb4 developer intentions)

Does anyone have any tips for properly setting up the image brightness / contrast etc? My CRT is only a cheap model with a few issues but I always feel paranoid that I'm going to kill it if I make the image too sharp and vibrant.

It's already worrying me that brighter lines appear to bulge outwards compared to darker lines. Is this a sign that it's failing or just bad construction?

>>2717192
>>2717218
I'll expand on this by adding that "no native resolution" means that the source content isn't being upscaled (digitally at least), which makes it look like absolute ass. Stuff like dithering also never works on LCDs (see: >>2716986 ).

Honestly the best thing you can do is go find someone with a SD FD trinitron or buy one for ~$10 on craigslist and see for yourself. Unless the set is majorly out of whack, it's immediately obvious what the differences are for 240p content, and even 480i stuff looks a lot better.

>>2717328
>Does anyone have any tips for properly setting up the image brightness / contrast etc?
Use a SMPTE pattern.
First lower the brightness.
Set the contrast to around 40-50% or better at the point where the colors appear nice and vivid to you. If you not use RGB then you only take the white as reference and then set the saturation at the lowest point where the red bar only lights up red phosphors, usually I tend to set the white point to 'brighter than a piece of white paper' for gaming/watching purposes.
Then set the brightness in the way that only the right part of the 3 black blocks under the red bar stands out a little bit, the other 2 black blocks must be black. Readjust the contrast if needed.

>but I always feel paranoid that I'm going to kill it if I make the image too sharp and vibrant.
Only if you use it too long.

>It's already worrying me that brighter lines appear to bulge outwards compared to darker lines. Is this a sign that it's failing or just bad construction?
The high voltage generators can't keep up with the beam current. If it happens with on a proper calibrated screen then it's rather a sign of bad engineering or maybe a worn out tube but I'm not sure on that one.

>>2717351
Yeah, I have that thing with the picture/raster changing sizes with my PVMs. It's really noticeable with some old arcade games, where you don't have much overscan to play with and big explosions and the like will move the menus right out to the edge of the screen.

getting a PVM offering $80
>says 2 in stock
>one doesn't have label he says
>nigger better send the one with the label....

>>2717362
>That ugly ass film on the screen
Maximum ew

That a 1944Q?

>>2717218
went to the website on that sticker BTW...

>>2717371
mmm kinda its an MD model..used for endoscopy shit as usual....AND HE ACCEPTED the offer literally just now P_P 1944MD

>>2717371
lol thats just some equipment right in front of it machine wrapped in front of it.

>>2717380

yeah its just a reflection

>>2717382
somthing about this reminds me of jail...

>>2717376
Close enough. They're a bit old but they should still look pretty sweet.

>>2717380
Oh, welp. Guess there aren't any scratches on the tube then!

There's a guy on ebay that was selling a PVM with an hour count listed, I messaged him and asked how he got it and he said to email him again on tuesday. Judging by the equipment he was selling I wouldn't be surprised if he knew some kind of service menu wizardry that will pull up an hour count in PVMs.

But, he is selling studio sets and I have medical sets, so it might be a studio only thing.

>>2717385
its a 93.

does anyone here have gamecube component cables and willing to compare them to wiis with gamecube games? I really want some more comparison shots of how much sharper they actually are besides that one with fzero gx.

>>2717413
While I've never done a side by side, I certainly never felt like the component output from my wii was lacking. If there is any difference in the cables I doubt it's enough to justify hunting down one of those expensive ass motherfuckers.

>>2717413
I'd hold off on getting a GCN component cable for a bit to see what comes of the homemade solution research. It is probably only a matter of time until there is a cheap, easy option.

>>2717425
Chyeah HurrRight

>>2717413
What monitor/tv are you playing on?

>>2717418
Its been ages since the GC came and went and in that time no third party has come out with GC component cables. Its likely not going to happen, and certainly not going to come out "soon".

The gscartw (another retro "av" project) was COMPLETE last year, and outside of extremely limited run of pre-orders, nobody has them and they arent available for sale to the general public yet.

I'd feel comfortable saying if you are lucky, you'll get GC component cables in 2 years minimum. You are better off just either biting the bullet right now, or saving up little by little and buying in a year so so.

>>2717450
http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=51450&start=300

>>2717450
a pvm 14L5

800 lines 480p mode

>>2717450
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMpSMagFTyI

>>2717454
>>2717457

Yes, I know. I got excited about when I learned about it...LAST YEAR.

Is it cool, yes. Would it be wonderful for retro gamers, absolutely. It just is highly unlikely to be mass produced and able to be bought from an organized retail outlet, or even by a reliable seller on ebay.

If you can do the work yourselves according to the layout available, I'm sure you could go through the headache of doing it yourself or having someone specially make a one off for you. But I highly doubt that *insert retro game website here* will be selling them as a retailer anytime in the next 2 years.

>>2717457
If you've already got an OG Wii and a great monitor, I think you're best suited using it for GC games. Is it BETTER than a GC+Component, no. But it is still pretty darn good.

Saw this 13" Toshiba CRT at the Goodwill and it was so god damn cute that I couldn't pass it up. Told my girl that I wouldn't get any more CRTs unless it was a PVM but the cuteness factor let me pull it off, lol.

Composite, component and s-video.

OK /vr/ id really appreciate some input on this
How does this sound

Sony 37" Trinitron/ KV-36FS100
(manufacturer date 7/2003)
w/ 4 video outlets

I'm going to check it out Monday but the guy is asking $40

>>2717534
Try to talk him down to 20, it helps if you have enough people there to move it yourself. I'd bring two, the 36" shit is very heavy and bulky. Maybe bring a dolly with some padding as well.

If you want to check it, the best thing to bring is a wii with 240p test suite. Two biggest issues I've had with FDs are geometry and convergence. Scroll tests work pretty well for the former and it has some good patterns for the latter as well. Naturally check the colors while you are there, but that should be pretty obvious.

Hope it goes well.

>>2717534
Ive got a 37 KV-XXFV310. Even with some slight geometry issues, the thing looks awesome. If you don't already have a decent CRT id definitely go for it. Especially for 40$.

Do any of you guys live in Kentucky? There's some guy in South Shore (?) That has some video equipment ebay keeps telling me is close enough to me to pick up even though it's totally not and one of you guys should pick them up because I'm Todd of getting notifications salt then every night.

http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=131609669870

http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=131563367030

I'm sure either could be had for under $20

>>2717543
Thank you
Im new to most of this what do you mean by FDs
everything else i was able to google and figure out what you meant.

>>2717552
thanks man

>>2717534
Do you have a pick up/SUV and a friend who will help you pick it up and move it.

It is INCREDIBLY HEAVY. Don't underestimate it. It is a great TV and you should absolutely get it. It is fantastic especially for light gun games. To my knowledge, it is probably the most reliable, larger size screen light gun compatible TV.

40 is a pretty good price, especially if they will help or be very convenient with you regarding transport.

>>2716675
I really ought to try my hand at writing something about calibrating a PVM without owning an oscilloscope or pattern generator or literally anything that most repairmen owned a decade ago. Adjusting convergence using only a SNES and the 240p test suite isn't impossible, just difficult. The service manual assumes you're a wizard, which was probably accurate just a few years ago.

>>2717526
What game are you playing here?

>>2717763
vagrant story

>>2717690
Or the test suite on the wii, I think more people would have access to that, but I guess it's the same either way.

I think the most important thing would be getting major geometry and convergence issues sorted. That seems to be the most common issues on consumer sets.

>>2717526
What is the CRT to the right of the 13 incher? Looks pretty big.

>>2717218
damn that looks gorgeous, what monitor and hookup for ps1?

>>2717797
32" trinitron xbr from 1990. My main CRT right now.

>>2717690
hey anon of Jackson, is there any way you d ship your spare 20L5? I understand if you don't want PayPal to take anything from it, just curious

someday i'll get a decent monitor

Do most Sony PVM's come with flat screens? If not is there any way to tell from the model number or anything?

>tfw I found an NEC MultiSync A500 in my basement that I thought was dead but ended up working beautifully

God Unreal and Doom look great on this.

>>2717871
post! id like to see

>>2717917
Sorry it's not the best quality picture. I don't have good lighting in this room and am forced to use a cellphone camera.

>>2717869
No PVMs come with flat screens that I know of. Flat screens fuck up geometry.

So it seems people find the Trinitron the CRT television to go with? Where should I go hunting for one?

>>2717953
Goodwill if yours still deals with CRTs
Craigslist
the trash

>>2717940
jesus christ that bezel

>>2717959
It's been sitting unused for probably over 10 years and it used to be for the family computer.

Haven't gotten around to cleaning it up yet.

>>2717962
not that
the fact its ginormous

Might get my hands on one of these, I'm not very familiar with pvms but this one doesn't look like the usual models that I have seen.

>>2717953
>>2717993
you guys are about to enter a world of window closing hell . I had to return an NEC and an Olympus to finally ending up with a 19" PVM prices are rediculous on ebay, screw amazon they dont have any except those stupid (yet portable pvm 8" shoot for a PVM 20m2
>thats a pvm `14n1u I believe. I wouldnt get it I think that one only has S-video if im not mistaken.. and I think only 450 lines.

>>2710515
If I walked into a bed and breakfast and saw this I'd shit.

>>2716629
>Mind doing a writeup on CRT calibration? It'd be nice to have.
I think someone else posted his own but mine differs slightly and has exceptions to his rules. I'll get working on writing something up.

>>2716870
>How'd you get those free?
I knew a PBS station engineer and was a volunteer at the station. When they were getting rid of stuff I asked them if there were any CRT's that were still in good shape. Turns out there were.

>>2716962
I had to bypass the online routes to get mine. person-to-person is far more likely to result in a low price than a public ebay auction, I think.

First off, there are already many sites that describe how to calibrate a CRT. Most aim at professional sets but most stuff applies to consumer sets too.

I think this is probably the nicest guide I've seen:
http://www.videouniversity.com/articles/color-bars-and-how-to-use-em/

FFmpeg generates good color bars, here;s some done by it.
Remember that you cannot accurately represent the NTSC color bars (particularly PLUGE) in RGB color space, so you'll want to calibrate over S-video, YPbPr, or composite. But burning this picture to a DVD should work. Many color bar images if you do a google search are oversaturated or otherwise wrong in order to appear better on RGB systems like PC's.

some pointers on calibration that I can think of quickly:

Remember to make sure your set is set to a 7.5 IRE black level if yours offers that setting (usually only in ones with an OSD). Set it up for 7.5 IRE, and then when playing on a japanese game console, you will need to change it to 0 IRE, brightening the image.

On analog sets without an OSD you will have to tweak the brightness dial up so you can see differences between all three PLUGE bars and only the darkest actually looks black.

If you want to know why this is, look up NTSC-J.

Okay, it's 4 AM here. Good night, I'll try to answer questions tomorrow if I wake up and the thread isn't dead.

>>2718203
p.s.
note that the 7.5 IRE thing means that the other calibration advice was definitely right for american NTSC systems, but not for japanese ones like my famicom which output a darker signal intended for a black level of 0 IRE.

>>2718204
p.p.s.
by 'the other calibration advice' I meant this guy >>2717351

>>2718207
P.P.P.S. remember to let your CRT warm up for 20-30 minutes or so before attempting this. And I do mean 20-30 minutes, not seconds. The longer you can wait the better, actually.

I think that's really it and I can go to bed now.

>>2718212
>>2718203
Sorry, one more thing. I noticed I made a mistake in claiming that those color bars would work fine.

You see, to make a color PNG ffmpeg has to convert the YUV color space to RGB. So that picture is WRONG.

You will want to run:
'ffmpeg -f lavfi -i "smptebars=duration=5:size=720x480:rate=30"-target ntsc-dvd output.mpg'
(or for pal, '-target pal-dvd')
where duration is time in seconds (in this case 5 seconds), size is the resolution (for a DVD it's 720x480, NOT 640x480), rate is the framerate (usually 30), and 'output.mpg' is the output.
-target=ntsc-dvd sets the color space to yuv420p, which is what we want. It also makes the mpeg file able to act as a .TS file, which is more convenient for burning and doesn't need re-encoding. This preserves the correct color space.

>>2709701

I wish i had the space for 32inch CRT, but i'm glad i bought the Framemeister

Bought this beauty just recently for 90 Euros.
Fell in love with it at first sight. I think 35k hours are OK for this kind of monitor (especially for the price). I didnt't even have to mess with the geometry or color options or anything.
The picture somehow doesn't do the monitor justice. Photo was taken with my iPhone then downscaled by 50%. Maybe I upload some better pics with a proper camera later.

If people are interested i could also take some photo requests. (SNES only for the time being)

>>2717843
Yeah I'll ship it, I've got a nice box and foam to encase it in, but you're looking at probably upwards of $50 shipping. I don't have an accurate quote to give you right now, but if you want an estimate then go ask FedEx/UPS how much it would be to send about 80lbs with insurance on value of $300.

>>2717869
Sure, the BVM D and A 24/32 E1WU models. Expect to pay upwards of $1,000.

Can I convert VGA to Composite easily?

I want to use soft15khz to get 240p on my computer so I can use fightcade and older PC games on my CRT TV.

>>2718547
>Can I convert VGA to Composite easily
no

Got a dumb question about scanlines. Given that CRTs output an image in terms of odd and even scanline fields when interlaced, which of the two actually "comes first"? Like, if I were to make a game output in 240p at first, then switch to 480i suddenly, which of the fields will be the first to be output?

And for that matter, when a game outputs in 240p, is it the odd or even fields that are displayed in the picture?

>>2718612
Also related, there's a RetroArch shader (inb4 shitposter) that mimics interlacing when it detects a vertical height of over 400 pixels, and outputs scanlines when it detects less. This shader has an option to output the "top field" i.e. the odd fields first, though the default is the even fields. Which one is actually accurate? Is there even a right answer?

So. I was going to test playing ps1 games on my ps2 and ps3 using component cable. They share the same cable. My 1080i Trinitron picks up the ps2, but it doesn't seem to pick up my ps3 using the same cable. Why?

>>2718632
Heh. Never mind. Did a hard video reset and it's working

>>2718094
Actually I did some research, and the pvm is a 14n6u with RGB inputs.

I have an NTSC-J dreamcast (I'm in a pal region and I'm still waiting on my RGB scart cables and VGA cables) and I only have composite cables.
Since most of the ripped games are self booting, everything I play is in black in white regardless of the region because of the dreamcast itself, is there any homebrew stuff out there I can use to force PAL or PAL60 ?

>>2718612
Neither odd nor even has to come first. Each field has some extra sync pulses that let the TV know whether the field is odd or even. It depends on whatever the hardware outputting the signal wants.

Looking at the output from my NES and N64 (running Pokemon Stadium, which switches between 240p for 3d and 480i for 2d), when consoles are outputting 240p they just don't have any of those pre-equalization or post-equalization pulses. I'm guessing that the 240p fields are taken as "odd" from the perspective of the TV.

I got a new TV the other day, a 27" ilo. I've been using a Toshiba of the same size (dont remember the model at the moment) and its worked fairly well so far. But now that I've got both of them on at the same time, the Toshiba is looking kinda shit. It seems like its not as bright, both in the amount of light coming from it, and that the colors are a little darker.

I've got 240p test suite running on them right now, and I'm checking out the test patterns, but I'm not entirely sure what I should be looking for.
>toshiba has the full grid and good linearity
>ilo has better color, but some of the grid is missing and the linearity, while not bad, isn't as good as the toshiba
The ilo also kinda feels like, the best way to describe it as if the image from the screen is on rollers. its subtle, and when I stare at the edges or watch a certain square on the scroll grid, I cant see it. But if I look at the center I notice it occasionally, granted it might be my viewing position.

Is the ilo fucked? Any particular images I should post of them?

ps2 with chinese scart cables

Those colours.

I missed CRTs.

Are CRT computer monitor any different from CRT Television in quality?

>>2719113
There are cheap PC monitors and cheap TVs, as well as professional PC monitors and professional TVs.

In my experience I'd say PC monitors generally have better geometry and convergence as long as they are in good condition. But, they'll never be as good as a 15hz monitor for low res content IMO.

>>2719113
They're closer to PVMs and BVMs in quality than to standard TVs

I found a great sales PDF today that Sony put out in 2004 explaining a lot of core display concepts. I'll reupload it somewhere tomorrow or paste the name here if I can remember it. Very helpful for those struggling with general concepts.

>>2719113
Computer CRTs have much smaller phosphors to be able to display the higher PC resolutions.
Because of this, the electron beam is also much narrower.
these 2 difference make bleeding/blooming much less present, which is the reason why simulating scanlines still doesn't looks like a regular tv

Also, phosphors are less persistant, which can induce flicker at 60hz.

>>2718649
If you're using CRT, use the PS2. The PS3 won't output 240p, only 480i, and it'll look like shit most of the time.

>>2719191
thanks
very informative

>>2719121
>15 hz
>so slow you can see the electron beam moving
pretty sure you need to multiply that by 1000.

>>2716381
Was digging around in my old photos and I found a better comparison of my 20L5 and 1944Q. Turned the lights out and didn't use flash, and you can see the difference more clearly.

>>2719215
a reminder: 20L5 on the right, 1944Q on the left

>>2719208
That's horizontal scan, not vertical.

We need a disclaimer about that. In these threads the terms 15, 24, and 31hz are referencing horizontal scan and not vertical. In fact we basically never talk about vertical refresh, everything here is 50-60hz vertical.

>>2719221
Yes, I am aware. And he meant horizontal of 15khz, but he said '15 hz'. So you would see the electron beam moving across the screen.

>>2719221
No, you're still wrong. The horizontal scan frequency of a monitor displaying 240p is 15kHz, not 15Hz. Horizontal scan frequencies are hundreds of times higher than vertical scan frequencies because there are hundreds of lines in one frame.

>>2718794
Is the Ilo a plasma? My Ilo branded hdtv is.

>>2719225
correct.
We must combat this misinformation.

PVM-20L5, really, really, really, really close-up (closer than you can focus with the naked eye)

>>2719257
I think everyone in this thread knows that 15kHz and 31kHz are horizontal scan frequencies and that 50Hz and 60Hz are vertical refresh frequencies.

I'm not seeing any "misinformation" about that.

>>2719269
>ctrl+f 15hz
>>2713059
>>2719121
>>2719221

They are off by three powers of ten.
(multiply 15hz by 1000 and you are correct).
That is well outside standard deviation. They are wrong.

BTW, for anyone wondering, 31khz is the horizontal rate of progressive scan 480 lines (480p), because the gun and deflection magnets have to move twice as fast to cram twice as many lines into every frame drawn, when compared to 480i/240p.

480p PVM-20L5 (component video from a wii)

>>2719272
>They are off by three powers of ten.
I understand this. My first comment in this thread was
>>2719225
>The horizontal scan frequency of a monitor displaying 240p is 15kHz, not 15Hz.

A lot of people seem to by typing 15Hz instead of thinking about what that number actually means and realizing it must be on the order of thousands of cycles per second instead of just a handful, but no one seems to mistakenly believe that 15kHz has anything to do with the vertical refresh frequency.

>tfw pvm are ultra rare in your area

>>2719268
Get closer motherfucker. Don't make me do it for you.

>>2719275
Thanks for the fap fuel Nintendo.

>>2719312
different PC trinitron under magnifying glass

>>2719296
>tfw you get a free one in the midwest that everyone is bitching about them being rare in

>>2719329
>(scanlines intensify)
But we need to go deeper.

>>2719390
Here ya go.

So Best Buy recycles TVs and my friend who works there says he sees like at least 5 crts there a day, I told him to send me a pic of any that say Sony or NEC. Are the Mitsubishi ones any good? Maybe I'll add that to the list too.

>>2719495
Mitsubishi licensed the Trinitron tech and called it Chromatron or something I think. Could be good, might be cool.

>>2710515
So FUCKING BASED

>>2719495
Best Buy worker here. I believe once an item is tagged for recycling, no one can do shit but to send it off. As in, nobody can take anything, even managers.

>>2717526
Dude love smaller CRTs! I picked this little guy up at a thrift store even though I have a larger one already. Only problem is that it only has one SVideo port. I run my NES off RF and my SNES off composite

>>2719538
Man that's bullshit. Why do retail stores love throwing shit away? Someone could offer to buy something they were gonna throw out for like a thousand dollars and they still would rather see it go in the trash or recycled. It's really irritating.

>>2719219
Or the other way round, dude ;)

>>2719553
You better believe it is bullshit. Some time back a manager told me a story of some people from a school who came in to drop off like 20 Macbooks that were only a few years old, still usable, and very much still worth a pretty penny for recycling. Just like that. He and a few other managers were interested in maybe taking a few for themselves, but the GM was adamant that store policy forbade it. They all got sent off.

>>2719549
Why not get a splitter for S-Video (SNES + N64) or composite (NES + SNES)?

>>2719603
I'll second this. You can find a composite/s-video splitter pretty easy.

What kind of AV out does the NES Toploader have Composite or RF only? I'd imagine you may be able to do composite all the way around if you wanted to...but S-video for SNES & N64 are ideal

>>2719638
there are rare (or less common at least) top loaders that do have AV output. But all the ones I've seen in person are RF only.

Apparently there is also a revision of top loader with better RF output (jailbar reduction). I've not seen this either, but I have been told by people in the nesdev community that they do in fact exist as well.

You can mod the top loader for composite out, same as the original famicom (which is also RF only). I've done it to both.

Pictured: AV modded original famicom connected to Apple IIe composite monitor.

>>2719549
fixed.
Do it right next time and strip EXIF tags and rotate before you upload. GIMP will do it.

>>2719961
>>2719549
P.S. I like your setup. Very cute and homey. Wish I had a gamecube + game boy player + component cable... but that cable is $200.

I need a way to liven up this dorm's wall. Guess I'll be getting some more posters or some shit.

>>2720004
In case anyone's wondering how I use the famicom with cables that short, here's how. I replaced the player 1 controller board with one from a NES and soldered the famicom motherboard connector on the end. Also had to swap the red and yellow wires on the PCB. After that, it worked smoothly.

Not an option for player 2, sadly, because player 2's controller has an extra wire for the microphone.

And that giant stuffed bear is my chair when I'm playing games.

Another pic because this thread is too quiet.

Inside that bases loaded II case is an Everdrive N8 flash cart. In case you are thinking of getting one, DON'T. I have bugs in Fire Emblem, as well as the first Final Fantasy (but only when playing it on a front loader), as well as several MMC5 games like Just Breed flat out not working right at all.

I'd wait for Kevtris's flash cartridge that he's been working on. It's going to do everything, even Lagrange Point's VRC7 expansion sound.

>>2720294
MMC5 isn't supported by any flash cart (except for castlevania III because it uses like 2% of MMC5)

N8 is the only cart still being updated. AFAIK Kevtris is still working on NESHDMI, which does provide all expansion audio, IF you have the game or a flashcart ; it isn't a flashcart by itself.
Right now, the only way to have Lagrange Point with sound outside of having the cart is NESHDMI and the N8 (N8 supports VRC7 without sound)

Here's my 1702 setup with a C64 and a VIC-20.
Sorry about the quality.

>>2720313
>N8 is the only cart still being updated. AFAIK Kevtris is still working on NESHDMI, which does provide all expansion audio, IF you have the game or a flashcart ; it isn't a flashcart by itself.
Well as someone who hangs around on NESdev's IRC, I can tell you that kevtris is making a flash cart that uses the code from his FPGA NES project (a personal project of his) to replicate the mappers. And the HDMI board is called 'HDMINES'.
>Right now, the only way to have Lagrange Point with sound outside of having the cart is NESHDMI and the N8 (N8 supports VRC7 without sound)
yes, I am aware of that, but lagrange without sound is barely worth playing. So I'd wait for a few months for the flash cart.

>>2720340
I like it. I have the C64 and VIC as well, but the C64 died recently and I haven't gotten around to fixing it.