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2707265 No.2707265 [Reply] [Original]

What do you prefer
Playing your old games on real hardware or play them on Emulator like on your phone?

>> No.2707274
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2707274

>>2707265
I don't really know what point that image is trying to make. The right image has obviously been altered to make emulation look better, because my Dreamcast's video quality has never been that shitty.
To answer your question, pic related. Why not emulate to try out games you plan on buying and play games that are too expensive while also collecting for and playing on original hardware?

>> No.2707279

>>2707265
>Why not emulate to try out games you plan on buying and play games that are too expensive while also collecting for and playing on original hardware?

It baffles me that people don't just do that
I buy games when i can, but some stuff is just too expensive or i will never find in my country. So i download and emulate them. Best of two worlds, i have fun collecting, i have fun playing.

>> No.2707282

Emulate that which is emulatable.
Hardware for the rest.
N64 on actual console because no other stick plays like the N64 stick.

>> No.2707285

>>2707282
>implying you can't use an actual N64 pad for emulation

>implying implying

>> No.2707287

>>2707274
>The right image has obviously been altered to make emulation look better
It looks like an average composite signal capture to me. At least the dreamcast has vga. OP should have used an N64 or PS1 game for this.

>> No.2707290

>>2707282

I've been using the (shill warning) Mayflash adapter with my N64 controller. Works pretty well, but you have to mess with calibration and sensitivity to get it to work correctly

>> No.2707293
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2707293

>>2707285
>Still emulating N64 when nearly all N64 emulators are shit
>Zimbabwe
>>2707279
I wish more people had your mindset. What country are you from? Is it hard to get your hands on retro hardware where you live?

>> No.2707297
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>>2707274
This. Both. I probably emulate more than physical these days, because I like playing portable. Each is different but fun.

>> No.2707304

>>2707293
Brazil
It's near impossible. I used to import most stuff but the economic crysis made even the cheapest games crazy expensive to import now. So i need to rely on emulation way more. Still buy games every time i have the chance (and the money) when i'm looking around retro shops here though. Collecting is pretty fun.

>> No.2707323

>>2707279
This guy all the way
>$350 for a snes game
No fucking thank you

>> No.2707326

>>2707274
The one one the right looks like it was taken from a youtube video.

>> No.2707359

My goal is to become a millionaire and then just pay someone to collect all the games and movies since 1988 for me, like Louis CK did

I'm sure sitting around playing fucking videogames all day isn't gonna contribute to that dream coming true

>> No.2707407

>>2707304
Vai se fuder seu br heuehue dilmaaa

>> No.2707430

>>2707279
>>2707293
>>2707304
Master Race right here.

It's hilarious that I have to bro out with hues about it when your entire scene is totally different than it is here in the US and my collection is guaranteed way bigger than yours

Still though I emulate all the time. Probably more than I actually play. Collecting and playing are two distinct but related hobbies.

>> No.2707435

>>2707430
>Collecting and playing are two distinct but related hobbies.

I wish more people on this board were as reasonable as you.

>> No.2707456

>>2707265
I only own a Famiclone and a handful of games for it.
Would buy more if I know some sources. 10ya there were people selling bootleg by the hundreds, wonder where did that all go.

I play real whenever I have enough motivation to plus a cart and console to the TV.

If I don't have a game, I emulate.

>> No.2707457

>>2707265
Stop using composite, you dipshit

>> No.2707460

Who knew that playing on the real console added video compression artifacts?

>> No.2707479

>>2707293
>>Still emulating N64 when nearly all N64 emulators are shit
If the experience is better on emulator (good framerate, acceptable resolution) on games like Zelda, I'm ok with it.

>> No.2707504

original hardware on CRT through RGB

>> No.2707519

>>2707265

This image is insulting my intelligence

>> No.2707521

>>2707519
>implying you have intelligence

>> No.2707530

>>2707521

OW THE EDGE

>> No.2707564

>>2707521

I don't know how you discovered that I'm an artificial shitposting bot but the authorities are on their way to your location

>> No.2707569

>>2707265
Play that emulator through Composite video on a 50'' LCD flatscreen, and then tell me how it compares. This is cherry picking at it's worst, My Dreamcasts' video through VGA looks a ton better than either of those pictures.

>> No.2707619
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>>2707265
I kinda cringe at the notion of emulating anything that's not turn based on a phone.
>Don't try to shill me a moga or some other garbage.

>> No.2707678

I basically play on anything official (Virtual Console, Playstation Classics, original console). Though I play on CRT whenever I can and pirate stuff mostly on the Wii. I feel like I can never beat games I just download from a rom site randomly and it's easier to keep track of your games contained on a console hdd. The only thing I really collect physical for is PS2 and the occasional SNES cartridge, but I will never pay $60+ for either.

>> No.2707702

>>2707326
The whole image OP posted was taken from youtube, look at the artifacts on the left image and the file name

>> No.2707796

>>2707274
I got an sd usb adapter from mnemu, i get all the benefits of emulation on the real console

>> No.2707818

>>2707265
http://store.steampowered.com/app/71250/

Why emulate a PC game? Are you retarded or something?

>> No.2707854

>>2707818

>steam
>calling other people retarded

>> No.2707857

>Dat image
>on your phone

Y'all niggas be posting in a troll thread.

>> No.2707916

>>2707265
I mostly emulate but I would never emulate on my phone. I prefer having actual buttons without having to buy additional bulky attachments.

>> No.2707989

>>2707818
Forget the steam version. Get the 2004 disc version. It has more content and can be modded for full hd and proper widescreen.

>> No.2707995

>>2707274
>my Dreamcast's video quality has never been that shitty.
Maybe it was recorded using an RF Switch?

>> No.2707997

>>2707279
Glad there's someone else that does that. If I find a game for a decent price out in the wild, I buy it. Otherwise I emulate. It definitely feels better to have it on real hardware, but we're not in 2005 anymore, this is the unfortunate reality.
>tfw having a hard time finding a Master System and Saturn for a decent price
Once I get those...flash carts take me.

>> No.2708006

>>2707274
>my Dreamcast's video quality has never been that shitty.

Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure

>> No.2708010

>>2707997
import a master system from brazil

they still sell the goddamn thing there

>> No.2708014

>>2707619
This. Anything besides JRPGs are a bitch on a phone. Even atari games don't play as good as I want them to because no real buttons.

>> No.2708017

>>2708010
How? From Amazon? Also the import fees might kill me.

>> No.2708019

>>2707293
Just get a flash cart. It still uses original hardware.

>> No.2708029

>>2708017
it's pretty cheap to import from brazil actually, specially now. a dollar equals to 4 or 5 of their current currency, it's cheap as hell. and they have some versions with a bundle of games in the memory already

and yeah amazon or ebay would be your best bets

>> No.2708034

>>2708029
Can't find it o Amazon

>> No.2708040

>>2708029
not him but I'm interested
link?

>> No.2708046

>>2707997
Just get a Genesis and a flash cart, it's backwards compatible.

>> No.2708053

>>2708046
you need an expensive as fuck powerbase converter, a model 1 (best but still) genesis, and a separate master system flashcart
unless the megaED got real fancy all of a sudden and nobody told me

>> No.2708057

>>2708034
>>2708040
Not that guy, but i think you guys can order them from Walmart, non? I think they can ship to the US just fine

https://www.walmart.com.br/master-system-evolution-tectoy-blue-132-jogos/2030966/pr

>> No.2708065

>>2708057
>45 USD
I get where you're coming from anon, but I don't even think it has a cart slot
its a phone-in-a-box like the retron, isn't it

>> No.2708069

>>2708053
The Everdrive for the Genesis does natively support MS roms, as it bypasses the need for a passthrough port which is something that individual master system carts needed to fit into the system.

>> No.2708071

>>2708065
>but I don't even think it has a cart slot
i'm pretty sure it has one under that sonic shit (which opens and close)

>> No.2708073
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2708073

>>2707530
>random insults are edgy
I bet pic related is the edgiest shit ever to be aired on television.

>> No.2708080

>>2708053
You just stick the ms roms on a genesis flashcart, it even has the pause button built into the cart.

The converter doesn't do anything fancy, it's just a pass through. So loading the roms direct from a Genesis flashcart works just as well.

>> No.2708085

>>2708069
>>2708080
well fuck
thanks anons, that's great
now if only I had a magic segaCD disk

>> No.2708093

>>2708085
*disc
Also, the Flash cart can serve as a backup RAM for saving files, and you can burn games effortlessly for the Sega CD

>> No.2708097
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2708097

>>2708057
>Master System with 6 button controllers

>> No.2708101

>>2708097
It has some ports of a brazilian quiz game called Show do Milhão which use the different buttons for different answers

that's the only reason i can think off though

>> No.2708113

>>2708093
damn I got it mixed up with the saturn's protection
nice, excuse my stupid

>> No.2708238

Why not just play the PC version with fixes

>> No.2708281

>>2707287
Who the fuck uses composite...?

>> No.2708313

I enjoy games more on the original hardware on a crt tv, To me, preserving the nostalgia in an authentic way is almost as important as playing the game. Owning the systems and cartridges makes it feel like a have a mini museum in my apartment.

>> No.2708342

>>2708281
The guy who made the picture, apparently...?

>> No.2708421

>>2707297
how many times will you post this picture?

>> No.2708432

I can't be the only one who noticed the player is performing better at the game on real hardware.

>> No.2709439

Bit out of the emu loop. How's the dreamcast emulator these days?

>> No.2709453

>>2707619
>>2708014

phone + dualshock3 + SixAxisController app + GameKlip

i already had a dualshock3 since i had a ps3.. so thats one less thing i had to buy.
GameKlip attaches the ds3 and phone together.
but you can pair other controllers with your phone.. and you play without attaching them.. maybe have two books in varying widths to lay your phone on when laying down.

im enjoying emulating this way.. porch couch emulating nights.. fuck yeah!

>> No.2709456

emulate

I like playing old school games every now and then, but I don't want to be one of these people whose living room is pointlessly cluttered with obsolete consoles, game cartridges and tangles wires that barely even work on modern TVs

that stuff is fine if you're in your early twenties and living with a bunch of stoner room mates who can enjoy that stuff with you; but when you're 30+ and living in your own place, it just looks kind of sad

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>>2709453
Part of it is that I'm in my 30's and not going to be seen in public with a controller playing games on my phone. It's a bit too juvenile tbh. The kind of thing coworkers would look down on if they saw. Tell them you game at home and no one is going to give a shit so long as it isn't the only thing you talk about..

>> No.2709494
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>>2709456
That's why the retropie project is so badass. It emulates a fuckton of consoles and I've got it tucked behind my tv where it's mounted on the wall and no one can see it.

>> No.2709512

>>2709456

Are you and your wife going to try and sell me a retron now?

>> No.2709519
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2709519

>>2709512
Say what you will. But you will have a much harder time even getting a GF in your 30's if you have a living room full of garbage. There are far better options than a retron 5 though. Unless you have a fuckton of money you're only going to pull trash tier women that are ok living in a dump.

>> No.2709527

>>2708101
>Show do Milhão
this is who wants to be a millionaried, the brazillian edition.

>> No.2709529

>>2709519

I'm over 30, in a long term relationship and I'm not an autistic slob who leaves consoles lying all over the floor. We have these lovely inventions called entertainment centers now, or TV stands if you're poor.

>> No.2709535
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>>2709529
I bet you and your gf are hideous.

>> No.2709536

>>2709529
Oh so you fill your entertainment center with trash... At least you have a bin for it. Now you just need to empty it from time to time.

>> No.2709537

>>2709519
>But you will have a much harder time even getting a GF
You dont get girlfriends in the same way you dont go to the cinema.

You dont wake up and think "I must go to the movie theater", you are living your own live and by some reason see there is a good movie on theater and go to see the movie.

The same happen with gfs, with movie theater being the act of dating and the movie being the girl

>> No.2709541

>>2709535
If only he bought a Retron 5, like the other families in the neighbourhood.

>> No.2709546

>>2709541
Better alternatives than buying a fedora for your tv.

>> No.2709815

>>2709535

No u

>>2709536
That's an entirely different argument now. The issue before was "cords everywhere", shit looking cluttered and not being able to find a girl. With that gone, what's the issue that makes them "trash"?

>> No.2709857
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>>2709815
Perception. Women will perceive you as a man child. They look at you emulating on one device and think nothing of it. They see you with ten consoles and look at you like a giant man toddler. I didn't invent women bruh. Don't hate me for the truth.

>> No.2709914
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2709914

>>2709857

Quentin, get off /vr/

>> No.2709919

>>2709914
Not him but I don't get the joke. Who's quentin?

>> No.2709967

>>2709857
Honestly they will. You collector fags with gf's don't realize you could emulate and have better looking grills. Women are fickle tbh.

>> No.2709985

>>2709967
Can confirm my ouya works better then my attempts at mastering the mesmo stare at getting bizz-ay with the ladeez, 8-bit style.

>> No.2709992

>>2709919

A tripfag who used to post on /v/ years ago

>> No.2710832

>>2708281
Non-autistic casual gamers who still own retro consoles? The average consumer didn't really give a shit, and composite was widespread.

>> No.2711041

>>2707265
On nullDC I find sonic tends to run through fences and stuff on that level (basically making it impossible to complete), causing him to fall in the water and die.

Am I just playing it wrong, or is nullDC set up wrong? My recollection is that this level was really easy on the the DX version.

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2711081

>>2709857
>>2709967
>Literally changing yourself because of the opinions some woman may possibly have of you
>Giving a fuck about women to begin with
>Being a neurotipical casual and not just doing what you love
Why even bother coming to /vr/ if you're just gonna shit on people for liking old games? Unless you're just shitposting, which is probably what you're doing here, in which case go back to /v/.

>> No.2711086

>>2710832
>Non-autistic casual gamers who still own retro consoles
Is this a thing? It seems like a contradiction to me.

>> No.2711108

>>2711086

friend of mine's brother is pretty hardcore normie and he's been playing his Dreamcast after the Shenmue III got announced

>> No.2711138

>>2709985
>he bought an Ouya to impress grils

DO YOU EVEN RETRON 5?

>> No.2711304

I do both.

>> No.2711316

Collect the systems not the games. Buy few games that are worth playing and can't be loaded onto a flashcart or some other media emulation device. Collecting is pointless

>> No.2711323

>>2707265
Dude, I'm far from being an original hardware elitist, but Sonic Adventure on my Dreamcast never looked this shitty. And I play it on a LCD screen.

>> No.2711604

>>2711316
I'm with this fellow. I still have a few games I own physically but collecting games is a slippery slope.

>> No.2711650

>>2709857
>all the fags in this thread complaining about vidya and gf's
>"waahhhh too many wires cockblocking me!"
>not having a gf who also collects
If she has a problem with your games, then she has a problem with your hobby, and if she has a problem with your hobby, then she's not worth the effort.
>no one else ITT has felt the joy of cuddlefucking while playing goof troop

>> No.2711659

>>2711650
More like if she has a problem with you in general, you should have a problem with her. Stupid as fuck.

>> No.2711670

>>2711650
This. My collection is well organized and only takes up a corner of my shelf. If I brought a girl home and she was turned off by that, Shes not for me.

>> No.2711684

>>2707265
i prefer emulator because of clearer picture and render in hd or 4k.

>> No.2711689

>>2707279
why collect things? who has space for this shit when you just can get a hard drive? lol old people these days

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>>2707293
you obviously never played ocarina of time in 2160p with anti-aliasing and tripple buffering. i pity you, geriatric pleb.

>> No.2711698

>>2711689
Different people do it for different reasons. Some do it cause they have OCD, some want the authentic experience, some actually like the benifits of playing the original stuff on a crt and some just do it for nostalgia. Also collecting old videogames, especially cartridges, is not a terrible investment as the prices have been going up rapidly in the past few years. If you don't understand any of it, that's fine, have fun emulating and saving yourself a ton of money, but don't try to ridicule people who do it, you just look dumb

>> No.2711702

>>2711692
It must suck to be a graphics whore. Oot wasn't designed to be played at those settings and looks like shit in high res

>> No.2711708

>>2711702
nope it doesn't you're just jealous. 2160p downscaled to 1080p and smoothly antialiased + wide screen hack looks like heaven. i pity your CRT inferior experience, as you are bound by nostalgia, like an bulimic is bound to puking.You are missing out so much.

>> No.2711717

>>2711708
Lol how insecure are you? I have the game on an emulator as well as the real cartridge , not im not jealous, you child. You're trying to argue that n64 emulation ,which is terrible, is better than the real thing because you like sharp pixels

>> No.2711718

>>2711698
i don't ridicule other people, it's actually the other way around, they praise themselves up, like it's something special. its okay if the do their thing, everyone his way, but this total crt + cartridge is the ultimate experience is just bs. or rather it's what you define the ultimate expereince: if you are looking for nostalgia and 100% accurate emulation as ultimate experience then yes cartridge + crt is the ultimate experience, but if you are like people like me looking for the experience with the best picture quality then emulation is the way too go. so actually there is no ultimate experience as both have ups and downs and its all about what you value as a gamer.

>> No.2711721

>>2711717
LOL listen up you coon, i also have n64 here and the original cartridge yet i play on emulator. GUESS WHAT? i enjoy it more because it looks better. i'm not stuck in the past like you.

>> No.2711729
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>>2711650
>>no one else ITT has felt the joy of cuddlefucking while playing goof troop

You're a dirty fucking degenerate

>> No.2711732

>>2711718
Exactly. Why are gamers so concerned about how others enjoy their games. I wish ppl would stop using the way they game as an identity trait.

>> No.2711758
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2711758

>>2711650
>>no one else ITT has felt the joy of cuddlefucking while playing goof troop

wtf is wrong with you anon?

>> No.2711778

https://youtu.be/_LQcFbYp2Ds

>> No.2711795

>>2711650
liar

the only possible interaction while playing goof troop with someone else is the intention of strangling them with the controller cord and then burning the body

>> No.2711867

>>2711795
>strangling them with the controller cord and then burning the body
I know
;)

>> No.2711875

>>2711778
>Project 64 is an emulator that lets you play Nintendo 64 games on the PC
>It's pretty good

I can't watch this video.

>> No.2711886

>>2707265
Consoles at home. Emulate on the road. Some people here make it sound like you'd have to be a schizophrenic evil genius to do that.

>> No.2711893

>>2711718
>if you are like people like me looking for the experience with the best picture quality then emulation is the way too go

This is such a load of horseshit

If by picture quality you mean DA NUMBERS ARE BIGGER sure, but standard resolution games look like a sack of ass on HD displays. Your only experience must be on shitty CRTs or you're just addicted to big numbers

I admit polygon games don't look as bad as sprite games though

>> No.2711912

>>2707265
The left is different enough from the original that it isn't retro and doesn't belong on this board.

>> No.2711920

>>2711893
This is no horseshit. You are horseshit. Resolution is bigger, yes. Anti aliasing is better. Colours and Colour Range are bigger/better. Signal is clearer and better. Emulated picture is always superior unless a console can transmit picture via HDMI. Everything else is horseshit.

But I agree sprite games is a special case and is a matter of preference of how the game is wanted to be perceived. But polygon games clearly win with emulation. You can render them in 4K and downscale to 1080p and it looks superb.

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>>2711875
You are obviously in denial.

>> No.2711927

No emulators troubleshooting thread around here, so let this thread be it.
Picodrive 1.51 on PSP, Test Drive II doesn't properly work. Should I change emulator or a ROM?

>> No.2711961

I use this for emulation these days. SNES RPGs/SMW romhacks, and some PS1 and N64 games run pretty well. Been playing through Quake 1 as well. ScummVM would be nicer if the screen weren't so small, and the controls less shitty.

I have a second one for backup when this one goes tits up.

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>>2711961
Forgot image

>> No.2711969

Emulation all the way. So many advantages. Sure it's not 100% accurate, but it's accurate enough.

But I do tend to buy some games I really enjoy just to add to my collection though.

>> No.2711992

>>2711961
>>2711963
i had this thing for a while. it fared better than psp 1004 i had used for emulation. pretty cool stuff.

>> No.2712025

Emulation on a PC. I tried doing it on my phone once and it sucked so never again.

>> No.2712036

>>2711920
Increasing the resolution you render a polygon at doesn't increase the number of nodes in the model. Maybe you like the bright colors and lack of scan lines but you're just making boxes bigger and maybe filtering.

>> No.2712043

>>2712036
For me its the fact that these old games have tiny ass textures which are limited in resolution. They look slightly more appealing in lower resolutions. This is only for fifth gen though, dreamcast games look fine in HD.

>> No.2712208

>>2712036
still looks better. clearer signal, better colors, clearer picture, looks really good especially if you render in 4k and downscale to 1080p or 1440p. but the best thing besides best signal is no interlaced shit/scanlines, poor progressive picture, how it is intended to look when it was created back then on computer monitors.

>> No.2712209

>>2712208
*pure, lol sry

>> No.2712324

>>2708421
get this hothead outta here

>> No.2712346

>>2707297
looks comfy :)

>> No.2712528

>>2712324
hot as heaven

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2712534

>>2707265
What about a native Windows version?

>> No.2712535

>>2707274
Higher rendering resolution. Emulated games run at a higher resolution than 640x480 or whatever Dreamcast games ran it. Same method that applies to the modern DSR of nVidia; render the image larger, but squish it down to a smaller size and it looks clearer.

>> No.2714564

>>2707297
god I love my psp

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2714607

>>2714564
>tfw I lost mine 2 weeks after modding

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2714615

>>2714607
>tfw you lost it after being on a awesome trip to a metallica concert
>tfw i had modded it and had my favorite ps1 games on it along with my 12 hour save game of mother 3
i swear to god if i ever find the fucker that didn't return it to the train station i will fucking kill him

>> No.2714630

>>2707297

What emulators are you using on the psp ?

>> No.2714638

hard game like ninja gaiden or battletoads = emulator

easier games = original hardware

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>>2714638
>2cool4caps
>openly admitting to savestate/slowdown abuse

>> No.2715151

>>2712534
running old windows games is nowadays more difficult/annoying than running certain emulators

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>>2714638
I really, really want this post to be bait.

>> No.2715279

>>2709453
I would never be seen out of my house with that. And in my house I have consoles.

>> No.2715281

>>2714638
No reason to, tbh.

>> No.2715284

>>2709857
>Being this scared of women

>> No.2715298

>>2715284
Some guy's wife actually sold off his collection at laughably low prices, and this post reminded me of that. Earthbound complete for like about 100 if I recall. She won it in a divorce among his other collection.

>> No.2718296

>>2707456
Poland/post-commie?

>> No.2719903

>>2715298
yeah i saw that recently. what a terrible experience.

>> No.2720168

>>2715298
This is why you should never trust a woman.

>> No.2720173

>>2711108
Sounds like a real Shenmuedandy

>> No.2720179

>>2711081
>>Literally changing yourself because of the opinions some woman may possibly have of you
>>Giving a fuck about women to begin with
>>Being a neurotipical casual and not just doing what you love

Fucking this. The only truly pathetic pieces of shit are people who change themselves to suit others.

>> No.2720198

Dreamcasts aren't expensive and they easily play burned games...So what's the point in emulating them?

>> No.2720252

>>2711692
Nice upscaling m8. I'd rather play at the native 240p image on my PVM then have the image blown up 9 times and it look like shit.

>> No.2720272

>>2720198
The Dreamcast will one day cease to function, replacement parts will eventually be unobtainable, and the original discs will all be too deteriorated to play (yes I know you mentioned burning). If it weren't for emulation development and backing up all these games, the entire catalog would've been lost.

The simpler answer:
>Dreamcasts aren't expensive and they easily play burned games...So what's the point in emulating them?
So you don't have to buy a Dreamcast and burn games. Different strokes, my friend.

>> No.2720274

>>2720252
Nice job taking bl8ant b8, m8. You sure showed that frog.

>> No.2720276

>>2707297
>he still uses a PSP for emulation

>> No.2720587

>>2711041

I remember this happening all the time on NullDC too, sometimes Sonic's physics will just be all out of whack and the analog control of the emulator has been broken since fucking version 1. I'd suggest playing the PC version with a gamepad or a console version (not the PS3/360 tho as that's a fucked port) instead.

>> No.2720774

>>2707265

I'm a poorfag so I emulate most things. 6th gen and up I use real hardware because it's cheap and emulation is too inaccurate.

>> No.2720795

I just use a Dreamcast with a VGA adapter. works fine for me.

>> No.2720827

>>2720276
It's a decent portable device with buttons that you don't have to pay more for. Kinda sad there's little to no more support for emulation.

>> No.2721158

>>2707265
Hardware.

Not trying to be an elitist or anything. But I can't stand the input lag that emulators have. I also have a hard time ignoring graphical and audio glitches.

The one console I prefer emulation over actual hardware is the NES.

>> No.2721446

>>2721158
>input lag
Why is that meme even a thing? Why would anybody even think that an emulator introduces lag, especially when it's emulating the machine at equal or higher performance?

>> No.2721460

>>2721446
Not that guy but

input lag is not lag from the game, it's lag from the inputs on your controller in relation to what happens on the screen. Like, on a console + CRT screen, there is basically 0ms of input lag, whereas with an emu, there's about 50-100ms of input lag or more. It's completely quantifiable and can make or break a gaming experience.

For someone like me, a speedrunner, I do a lot of frame-perfect input type of things in games, so no input lag + actual hardware is essential to me.

>> No.2721467

>>2721460
where do you think that lag would be coming from? The time it takes for a signal from the controller to the machine is identical, as that's hardware. The time it takes for the machine to react is identical, as it's emulating at full speed. The time it takes for the screen to display is identical, as you could as well be hooking up the console itself to that screen.
I'll tell you where the lag's coming from. It's all in your head.

>> No.2721478

>>2721467

>The time it takes for a signal from the controller to the machine is identical, as that's hardware.

actually, that is false! Because of the way USB 2.0 works and to a certain extent, 3.0, the signal from the controller has to travel to the USB port, THEN through to the operating system, THEN through to the emulator. This is apparent on snes9x v1.53 and other versions as well. Comparing the likes of snes9x to the actual console, the difference is like night and day in terms of input lag.

I play super metroid, and at the beginning of the game, there's this series of walljumps you have to do perfectly, called "the climb". It's much easier to do on console, because of 0 input lag. It's also easily testable and quantifiable side by side. If you sit a CRT screen running super metroid beside of an LCD screen emulating super metroid, and test how long each screen takes to respond, it's very clear that there is a difference in ms. Try it for yourself.

>> No.2721482

>>2721467
if you'd like more information, you can visit these links:

http://emulation-general.wikia.com/wiki/Input_lag
https://forum.speeddemosarchive.com/post/your_reaction_time_and_sensitivity_to_input_lag.html

>> No.2721490

>>2721478
For windows the best you can do is reducing prerendered frames. It definitly helps.

>> No.2721492

>>2721478
>a CRT screen running super metroid beside of an LCD screen emulating super metroid
False dichotomy

>> No.2721493

>>2721482
I actually agree with what you're saying, but in that wiki page:
For wired controllers, this lag is negligible

The other causes of lag in a computer (Like people having Aero on.) are of course completely valid.

>> No.2721496

>>2721492
I should have included more examples. Obviously, there are also computers built specifically for emulation that use crt monitors. I've got one. Even still, I have tested this and there is still slight input lag.

>> No.2721501

>>2721482
from your link
>Image processing (such as upscaling, 100 Hz, motion smoothing, edge smoothing) takes time and therefore adds some degree of input lag
Why would you use a monitor/tv in anything but unprocessed mode, when feeding it gaming input? They have that mode for a reason.

>There is video latency caused by the GL drivers in Windows/Linux
Yeah, that's of course why Windows and Linux games are unplayable by default. All of them, the whole lot. Or ... they aren't. How can that be? Maybe the people responsible for these drivers don't just do a lot of shit, they do it in a time efficient manner, to produce output as quickly as necessary, since that's kind of their job.

>> No.2721502

>>2721493
Yes, the lag may be negligible for a casual player, or for non action-y games like RPGs, but for speedrunning, it's totally noticeable, when you've done hundreds, maybe thousands of runs, and your muscle memory notices something's just a little bit off.

>> No.2722762

>>2721482
>wikia

http://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/Input_lag

>> No.2723129

>>2721502
I have never seen a speedrun on old consoles. They always do it on PCs for image quality.

>> No.2723135

>>2723129
hes probably talking about nes. that explains why you probably never have seen a speedrun on a crt. i dont watch nes speedruns either. n64 speedruns are much more interesting.

>> No.2723752

>>2715151
I suppose so. I find it funny how a game from 2002, DN Manhattan Project, can run flawless (and with improvised widescreen, to boot) on a modern machine and a modern OS, but a newer game (2007's BioShock) will have a myriad of issues. Vista was the curse of PC gaming.

>> No.2723757

>>2723752
it's not Vista. It improved a lot of things, actually, and suffered mostly bad marketing. The real issue is DirectX. There's an incompatibility gap, with modern DirectX not supporting stuff like DirectX 3 to 7. If you're trying to run games in that range, you'll need a VM or dedicated install of an old OS.
What kills modern games compatibility is DRM. These are usually extremely low level drivers, deep in the kernel, or close to it. Whenever MS changes the kernel around, their compatibility breaks. For example Securom protected games may not run on Windows 10, simply because the Securom driver uses unsafe mechanisms to hook into the system, mechanisms that have been removed in Windows 10.

>> No.2723792

playing gameboy roms at 7680x4320 resolution.

>feels good.

>> No.2723797

>>2723792
That better be 4800x4320

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If I install a modchip on my PS, can I play my backup without swap discs?

>> No.2723945

>>2723824
Yup.