/vr/ - Retro Games

I have never used anything besides charmander.
Usually in re-play throughs I can never, ever switch anything up. I think I try to capture the feel of the first time again.

>>2665503
Meant in general by the way, not just this game.

Charmander without a doubt. Charizard was amazing and looked badass when you were a kid. Also as far as I'm concerned Charizard is the mascot over Pikachu for me.

What Pokemon was /vp/ hate?

The sphere on the left of course

>>2665508
/vp/ hates Charizard, but then again I'm pretty sure /vp/ just hates Pokémon in general.

>>2665508
Charizard looks like an obese dragon with a chubby body and a skinny-ass head.

Just saying. Yeah.

>>2665528

/vp/ hates first gen. If you don't like later gens you're a filthy poser apparently.

Bulbasaur all day erryday

>>2665540
According to /vp/ each new gen is better than the last which isn't the case at all. After playing through a couple hours of Diamond I almost quit the franchise it was so bad.

Bulbasaur is my favorite, but I always feel cheap because he's considered the "easy" route since he can wreck the first couple gym leaders.

And then of course in Gen 2 my fave has to be Cyndaquil.

>>2665547
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1yUwziYN10

>>2665540
>>2665559
I thought even the modern fans thought ORAS was underwhelming.

>>2665563
Well R/S was okay and most of the younger fans started with that game so they hype it over what it was. Then all the kids got excited to ORAS, I bought it and beat it. It was okay, it felt the exact same as ORAS mixed with X/Y. I never liked the Dex Pokemon in Ruby and Sapphire just boring Pokemon.

Also, they loved Ruby and SApphire so much most of the underage kids on the board forced themselves to love ORAS.

I liked Squirtle the best for the objective and scientific reason that he was the first starter i picked.

Wasn't Bulbasaur the best based on his eventual abilities though?

>>Bulbasaur
Easy
>>Squirtle
Normal
>>Charmander
Hard

>>2665578
IIRC Poison Powder was OP as fuck in Gen 1.
>>2665579
To beat Brock with Charmander you had to grind the fuck out of him to make him Charmeleon.

The water type is usually the most balanced starter in most of the pokemon games, but for many people it ends up being a case of leveling up past what your opponent can handle which is also fine I guess. I knew more than one person who'd catch a caterpie in Viridian forest and make that their main for the rest of the game.

A friend of mine completely lost it when his lone bulbasaur kept dying to the second trainer in Mt. Moon. Flat out refused to catch anything else or even to go around that particular trainer. Went into a complete meltdown when lunch break ended without beating her.

First Evolution: Tie between Bulbasaur and Charmander, Squirtle is a close second (the only generation where I think all 3 starters are fucking awesome).

Second Evolution: Wartortle hands down

Third Evolution: Charizard

I picked Charmander as a kid because fire, when I went back and replayed it with Bulbasaur I was surprised how much easier it made the game feel. By the time you get past the 2nd gym you have access to a pretty wide variety of pokemon, but if you start with Charmander you really have to grind up a few levels to deal with Brock.

>>2665585
Nope, just get a mankey before you fight him, karate chop those stone bastard to death. I didn't know this at the time so I'd grind a caterpillar into a butterflies and beat brocks ass with him.

>>2665596
You can't find Mankey until after Misty's gym in Red and Blue.

>>2665596
You couldn't do this if you had blue version, though.

>>2665596
Brock was way harder in yellow with Pikachu as your starter. The (shit) guides at the time all said to train to level 16 for quick attack.

>>2665607
Man those were shitty guides. Pikachu is much faster than Brock's pokemon anyway, so quick attack is no more useful than tackle. However, pokemon yellow added Mankey to route 22 making him accessible before the Brock fight, so you can get a fighting type to even the odds.

>>2665603
Yes you can, you just take a left after the first city, mankey spawns in some bushes on the way to the Pokémon championship.

>>2665614
Obligatory.

>>2665615
Not in the original red version according to bulbapedia, although I could be wrong on this one as I only have blue version. He was added to that route in yellow and the 3rd gen remakes.

>>2665614
>>2665607
They said to grind to that level because that's the level where pikachu can actually learn an attack that can affect Brock's Pokemon. His pokemon resists thundershock.

>>2665632
I see, I'm probably remembering wrong, it's been a long time. I know you could catch a Pikachu on red in the first forest towards the end, he made it easy to kill misty.

Fire is utterly useless in the first game. If you picked Charmander you might as well start the game again.

>>2665620
Jesus Christ, Nintendo of America what were you thinking.

>>2665639

Pokemon is easy enough that you really don't have to think about that type of stuff.

As a kid I picked Charmander. I liked his design.
Now I would say the best starter is Bulbasaur, useful early and late game. In the newer games Charizard only holds onto relevance with the mega evolutions, though I do have to admit that Charizard Y appeals to me somewhat, I used Sun teams in Gen 5 OU and Uber.

>>2665639
Or, you know, catch some different pokemans. I'd always try to have a charmander, pidgeotto, butterfree, pikachu, and Abra by the time I fought misty.

>>2665620
>B and down to make sure it stays site
shut

Everyone has their tricks for the Pokeballs, like tapping a, or holding b, (I still do, even though it doesn't do anything) I heard you can manipulate the rng in game to have an easier time though.

>>2665615
You're thinking of Nidoran not Mankey. Nidoran learned Double Kick in Yellow but just normal attacks in R and B.

>>2665654
It seemed to help if you time it right, if you did it just as the ball came together and held it.

>>2665656
Probably so, I had red and yellow, it's hard to remember the specific Pokémon on each

>>2665656
Mankey learned low kick which completely devastates Brock's team

>>2665620
Would catching 150 really give you a mew?

The only way I ever got a mew was to name my char BLUE (on red version) and naming Gary (BLUE) then doing the missing no trick, sometime a lvl 100+ mew would spawn

I think all three evolution lines are incredible well designed. Even the second forms look amazing. I really can't decide on one favorite in the first gen.

Bulbasaur = king

The best starter?

Oh....yea know....a little guy called 7H3 CH13F

>>2665705
Doom 3 was better on all fronts except multiplayer

>>2665498
>>>/vp/
you have a whole fucking board for this

>>2665713
There's a reason one of those franchises is dead and the other has its 5th installment that will sell millions.

Oh but don't worry they're bringing back Doom and copying all chief's ideas. 1 million sales tops, small time game for babies.

>>2665640
I had that in the UK. The original version and the rerelease for Yellow.

I really don't remember it being THAT full of shit though.

>>2665705
Why are you even here?

>>2665716
There's also a whole fucking board for video games. Better not post anything on /vr/ at all.

>>2665728
To laugh at babies who play easy old games because they can't handle the one true FPS

>>2665718
Yeah, because halo can be shat out year after year with no changes while ID actually tries to put out GOOD games.

I love the HALO troll, he always baits a couple retards.

>>2665739
lmao good one buddy ID sucks shit and has always made games for toddlers.

You stick to your diaper n00b game, I'll stick to a game played by MILLIONS who COMPETE at the HIGHEST LEVEL KNOWN TO GAMING

I'll see you on the pro circuit someday right bud?

haha gtfo here you can't beat the chief

>>2665739
>id actually tries to put out GOOD games
Good technology anyways. The games have been pretty shit lately.

itt: random Halo bait and replying to bait

>>2665498
R/B? Bulbasaur all the fucking way.
G/S/C? Motherfucking Cyndaquil, but I have a soft sport for Chikorita.

>>2665559
Platinum fixes a bunch of shit wrong with Diamond, but you might just dislike Gen 4 on a deeper level.

>>2665498
I picked Squirtle, named him Squirt and had a level 40 Blastoise named Squirt by Erika and couldn't win. Friend showed me those darn element weaknesses and the game opened up, so Squirtle. I wouldn't have found out about that if it was Bulbasaur or Charmander. Those pokemon lead to retardation and thinking that Gen 1 didn't have the best designs ever (of course they did, they used all their good ideas first)

>>2665740
I, for one, welcome Halo becoming a meme on /vr/.

>>2665498
Charizard m'

>>2665753
It's pretty easy to discover elemental weaknesses/strengths with any of the starters, since it's a major part of the game. You encounter pokemon that are both weak and strong to all three of the main starters well before you fight Erika.

>>2665498

Best ?

Bulbasaur, since gym 1 & 2 are rock then water, its easy to beat em.

3rd is electric so you wouldnt take that much damages

>>2665767
when you do the no starter trick, you start with 256 mons, the one that you use is not charizard m' because it will have level 0 and max life 0 and min life 0.

The mon you use will be mon 16 or 17 if I remember

>>2665674
Look up the Mew glitch sometime, anon. It's pretty cool.

>>2665734
0/10
Apply yourself next time.

Mother fucking BLASTOISE

Just look at this bad ass

>>2665858
Nigga could learn
Surf
Ice Beam
Earthquake
and some other move of your choosing
nigga was THE KING
THE BEST OF ALL TIME

>>2665929
Charizard could learn fly.
The best skill in the game.

Clearly, HE is the best

>>2665932
not in r&b. Zard is shit in r&b.

>>2665932
Only in Yellow oddly enough.

>>2665954
>>2665960

Hmm what the fuck.. Could have sworn I taught him fly in R&B.

Guess my memory is total garbage.

>>2665967
You could teach him fly in Yellow and trade him to Red and Blue

Charizard as an HM dump. Useful for kicking ass, and just getting around the map. Misty's gym is going to suck unless you recruit and train another Pokemon though. Not that it should be difficult to win with any of the Pokemon you can catch nearby.

>>2665983
Why would you put HMs on anything other than pokemon you wouldn't mind fainting and never getting up?

>>2665561
This guy gets it.

>>2665932

If he's the best, why Blastoise kept assfucking him ?

>>2665998
>Why would you put HMs on anything other than pokemon you wouldn't mind fainting and never getting up?

The alternative is wasting a slot on an HM dump that's too weak to be used in battle. Charizard is a powerhouse. Putting HMs on him won't diminish his battle ability, and you'll have five slots left over for your strongest Pokemon.

>>2666015
Because fire is weak against water.
If blastoise is so good, why's that nigga weak against grass? like you could pick up a blade of fucking grass off the ground and KO that dumbass turtle.

>>2666026
too bad solar beam takes two turns lmao!

>>2665998
Surf is great though, would be a good move even if not an HM.

>>2666026
>If blastoise is so good, why's that nigga weak against grass?
He'll Ice Beam the shit out of your gay grass b4 u get the chance m8

>>2666064
:O

>>2666029
mess with da bess
die like da ress

Bulbasaur: easy mode
Squirtle: normal mode
Charmander: hard mode

>>2666109
Char: retard mode
Bulb: slow fatass mode
Squirt: best mode

Why are so many people saying Venusaur is the best? Someone explain to me.

>>2666128
Squirtle is for pussies who can't beat Brock a legit way.

CHARMANDER MASTER RACE.

It feels like I'm in Kindergarten again. Goddamn, /vr/, you guys can shitpost about anything, can't you?

>>2666135
Super Effective on first gym
Super Effective and water resist on second gym
Electric Resist on third gym
Grass resist on fourth gym
Super effective on eight gym
Super effective on two out of five Elite Four members
Spongey as fuck
Razor Leaf crit rate broken as fuck in Gen 1
Cannot be poisoned.

>>2665620
Holy shit I still have this guide in my cupboard somewhere. Wasn't this the one with the slightly shiny (like a moderately rare trading card) cover that was kind of reddish-pink and with a picture of Pikachu on the front?

>>2665547
My man.

>>2666146
>pokemon in kindergarten

Dear god you're not even underage are you

Squirtle just dominates.

>>2666141
you can beat Brock with a fucking weedle if you wanted to. There is even a glitch to skip Brock completely.

Squirtle for gen 1, Cyndaquil for gen 2. To be fair though, they're all fine choices (apart from Chikorita).

>>2666168
1998 was just last week

>>2666159
I don't know shit about pokemon but how are there five members in the elite four?

http://strawpoll.me/5421134

It begins...

>>2666180
there's 4 members and a Champion.

>>2666180
The big reveal of the first pokemon generation games was that your rival had already beaten the elite 4 before you arrived, so you must defeat them as well to claim the title of champion. So now each game has a new elite 4 and a region champion you must defeat.

>all these Anons liking edgy dragon Pokemon

You all have shit taste.

>>2666214
>not liking dragons
Fuck, you.

>>2665932
>Had glitched Charizard
>Had Recover and Amnesia
>To this day, my high school friend who was in to Pokemon refuses to play against me on grounds of cheating.

I don't care if I caught him on Cinebarr Island, he was still fucking awesome.

>>2665998
For just playing the game, I'll dump HM skills on my primary pokemon, but I have a second set of pokemon that are specifically designed for Pokemon Stadium with only important stuff. Sadly, Gen1 wasn't exactly the greatest thing in the world for PvP.

How are the HMs not dropped from the games yet? They are a waste of space and you are made to carry around a useless Pokemon.

I have an affinity for Charmander because it was my first starter. The Easter following Pokémon's North American release, I received Red version while my brother received Blue version. I selected Charmander and he selected Squirtle.

If we're talking about the best starter against gyms, Squirtle is the best, followed by Bulbasaur, and then Charmander.

If we're talking about the best starter against other players, I'm not too sure. I've heard Venusaur.

grass is objectively the worst type

Back when I was a 90s kid I liked digimon instead

I didn't have a lot of friends :(

>>2665585
>To beat Brock with Charmander you had to grind the fuck out of him to make him Charmeleon.
Not really. First time I played, wandering throu the forest was enough to evolve. Bug catchers are just xp fodder. Add wild encounters and it should be enough.
My main problem was that Charmelion wouldn't listen to commands, because it had too high level too quickly.

>>2666368
That only happened if you traded pokemans

>>2666347

For good reason too.

But in all seriousness, were any of the Digimon games good?

>>2666026
Blizzard is GOAT.
>>2666029
Sunny Day, Solar Beam combo. It also weakens water type attacks considerably.

>>2666174
Chikorita is definitely the hard mode and requires more team building, which is sad because Meganium is pretty decent.

>>2666347
Didn't Digimon seem like a blatant ripoff to you?

To me the first time I saw it was "oh man they didn't even try to make it seem like they weren't ripping off pokemon"

>>2666216
>>2666214
Pokemon reinforced my love for dragons. In gen 2 the steel type is GOAT

>>2666372
Thats weird, as I played on emulator.
Must have been a rom thing.

>>2666401
I never got into Digimon but asides from name and the whole monster aspect, didn't the two share nothing alike?

>>2666401
Digimon started as a tamagotchi ripoff with battles if I'm not mistaken.

>>2666415

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Monster_%28virtual_pet%29

>>2665498
bulbasaur and his evolutions learn moves sooner that the other two, and he makes the first two trainers a breeze, so i used to think he was the best, but i think it's been found that squirtle is objectively the best one to choose (i forget why, though)

>>2666582
Blastoise was a beast, he had some good stats

>>2665508
>>2665528
>>2665540
>>2665559
/vp/ nitpick a small minor things and makes it equate to "this game sucks!". They hate the franchise. But yes, liking Gen I on /vp/ makes you an irrelevant genwunner. Liking Charizard makes you a faggot because it's overrated.

>>2666060
Yes, I realized not HMs are bad after hitting send strictly because of this one. I can't remember if it went on Blastoise or Lapas, or both.

>>2666818
Fly was good too if you used it right.

Fighting something thats gonna use a move with only 5pp, toss in that fast ass bird pokeman and fly till that shit is used up.

>>2666060
Surf is pretty much the ONLY good HM, I dare say for all 6 generations. The rest are just useless normal type attacks which aren't effective against anything, nor do they offer any significant strategy. I'd say Flash is a more accurate Sand Attack, that's about it.

>>2666945
The AI in the first gen games ignored PP usage, so that would offer no advantage. They did in gen 2 onwards.

>>2665674
in japan it would

that's the worst thing about that advice- it actually worked for the original japanese versions

>select all images with pick-up trucks
oh captcha, you mock me so

>>2666960
i was talking about dueling with your friends. I facerolled through the elite four with nothing but a high lvl blastoise

>>2666968
so you're telling me the dirty nips were getting mews be we got fucked.

fucking shit

>>2666968
No, it didn't. Cite sources.

>>2665620
Lol @ Pokegods acknowledgement.
Main reason I asked my grandmosther to preorder Pokemon Gold was because I heard Pikablu was in it..

Starters
> Gen I: Charizard - Pick him for the difficulty. gets overshadowed later in the game by Pidgeot.
>Gen II: Totodile is my child. I have fucking loved that crocodile to death since I was a child... nothing more will be said...
>Gen III: Treecko, just because he has always seemed chill and at the time was the only gen IIIer I knew except for Plusle & Minum... no Gen III isnt as good as Gen I & II... Gen III was ok though...
>Later Gens = shit... dont even know any of the pokemon nor do I care...

>>2667004
pikablu was just a fan name for Marill, so you weren't entirely wrong.

>>2666770
Are you speaking for /vp/ or do you agree? It's really not debatable that Charizard is the most popular Pokemon and they hate him solely because of that.

Yeah...any gen after gen III is straight shit. You are kidding yourself if you think otherwise.

I got my first pokemon game when I was 10, and it was the recently released ruby version. In that one I chose Treecko, so when I got ahold of a copy of red version later, I gravitated towards bulbasaur.

For most people Charizard is a cool flying dragon, but this is 4chan and we love our counter culture so we have a tendency to hate whatever is popular with the normies, so Charizard gets more hate than it probably deserves. At the same time those people also say things like "hurr durr why would you get a flower dinosaur when you could get a flaming dragon," so Venasaur tends to get a bit more love than others.

Also /vp/ hates us because we're retro, so they assume that were just a bunch of stupid genwunners that don't acknowledge the flaws of the early games.

I've only ever played Red and Blue. After that I had absolutely 0 interest in Pokémon.

I always liked Squirtle. If I ever decide to play Pokémon again ( it's been about 15 years ), I'd probably still pick Squirtle.

>>2667035
>If I ever decide to play Pokémon again ( it's been about 15 years ), I'd probably still pick Squirtle.

You should. I beat it two years ago after not having played it in a long time and I had a ton of fun. I played Crystal afterward, and I liked it even more.

>>2665596
mankey was available to the left of viridian only in yellow

>>2665498
Charmander simply because it was like a fire dragon. First one I chose ever. Also the one I chose most of the time for consecutive playthroughs.

>>2665498
I always went for Charmander as a kid but now I've been finding Bulbasaur to work out much better.

>>2666374
>>2666401
all the digimon shows and games tended to be good in all the ways that pokemon wasn't, but also not good in all the ways that pokemon was

they got real deep on the character development side of things for no real necessary reason, and go way off the deep end in terms of world balance and verisimilitude and sociology

in effect digimon is like a digitally inspired drug trip full of life altering revelations compared to pokemon's normalfag everyday addictive obsession, and all the games associated with digimon are inconsolable trainwrecks that are either completely insufferable or unstoppably entertaining depending on your own disposition.

>>2665656
Well, Nidoran does learn Double Kick in Red and Blue, but not until like level 43 or something stupid meaning its useless.

Yellow made it more reasonable, with it learning it at like level 12 instead.

>>2666315
Blakc and White very nearly made HMs optional, there's exactly one tree in the whole game you need to cut and nothing else. Every other HM wasn't required at any point unless you wanted some items.

>>2665528
To be fair, Charizard is the most vulnerable and in many ways the least strong of the three starters.

>>2666414
Basically this, ither than being about monster fighting the two are wholly different in style and tone.

>>2666968
This rumor is still being passed around?

No version gives you anything other than a Diploma for completing the Pokédex.

Other than glitches, there is no way to get Mew in Gen 1.

>>2667391
he still was somewhat viable because of speed being so good in gen1.
Venusaur with its high special was better though.

>>2667389
Does this include surf?

>>2666326
>If we're talking about the best starter against gyms, Squirtle is the best, followed by Bulbasaur, and then Charmander.
>If we're talking about the best starter against other players, I'm not too sure. I've heard Venusaur.

Actually, from best to worst it's

GYMS: bulbasaur, squirtle, charmander

PLAYERS: I forget but I know Squirtle is best, just cause it can learn wider array of move types, specifically two that are good against things it's weak against (grass and electric, ice beam and earthquake, respectively.)

>>2667398
They also gave them away at Nintendo of America events, prolly like less than 500 kids got them across the whole US. Basically a Nintento plot to ensure only That One Fucking Kid got one.

>>2665561
Cyndaquil really get completely shafted on his moveset. it's total ass

>>2667584
>kid from school gets one
>uses link-cable dupe trick to clone them for everyone
>everyone in school has them now

>>2665620
There's so much bullshit here I have a hard time believing it was actually published

HMs are fucking stupid.

>>2666171
>There is even a glitch to skip Brock completely.
no shit?

>>2666315
Most pokemon games I end up having five HM slaves and one pokemon for battling, this is including TMs with an effect outside of battle, I want to have those on hand too just in case I have a use for them. I don't like getting to a spot, especially in a cave, where I need an HM to get through but not a pokemon with it in my party. Walking back to a PC is a hassle.

I mean fuck, why not just give your trainer a smart phone with PC capability, and other apps, built into it? It'd be like the PokeGear, PokeTech, and probably some other gimmick I don't remember the name of had a baby.

>>2668308
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IL3dt06QpgI

Squirtle is literally for just bulldozing through the game with one Pokemon like I did as a kid, completely ruining everything that makes Pokemon good.

I mean sure any of them could do it, but his superior defenses and typing essentially meant that no mid-route trips back to a Pokemon Center were needed while doing so, you went to a Pokemon Center when your PP ran out instead. And he gets any bullshit move you want including super-strong grass-killer and electric-killer moves (Blizzard was 90% acc in Gen 1).

Blastoise's only bad quality was Starmie existing.

>>2668543
I let gary pick blastoise as repentance for murdering his ratticate on the SS ANNE.
Poor kid.

Turtwig. But keeping it retro, Chikorita. I don't care if he's a pile of garbage he is the cutest. And yeah, I went gen 2 because it's better than gen 1. I like every generation of pokemon though, honestly, they're all great

Reminds me, I need to get back into playing my japanese cart of crystal. Shit's fun, and rather good for helping me learn some nip nong.

>>2668543
>Pokemon good
pokemon is meant to be broken, glitched and sped through as much as possible. Its the only way to get any enjoyment out those shitty games.

There's one aspect about Charmander no one ever mentions; it's special stat, and how broken that is in RBY. I never had a problem with Brock in RBY using Charmander because his Pokemon's special stat is so weak you can just ember them to death, even if it's "not very effective".

>>2668569
Pokemon's entire source of fun is variety is all I meant. There are endless ways to put together a team and play through.

>>2668575
Yeah but then a Starmie embarrasses your lizard at a swimming pool full of girls and it's middle school all over again.

>>2668543
I remember when my Wartortle got wrecked by a lass using Oddish and Misty. I think the Oddish was like level 20 or so, and it had leech life and a couple of debilitating spore moves.

What starter in red/ blue (or firered/ leafgreen) can have all Hms needed to complete the game?
Im looking for a HM slave so I can do my solo magicarp run.

What HMs are strictly necessary?
I know you dont need fly, need cut to get to one gym, need surf, dunno bout strength.

>>2668659
If you're planning anything beforehand you're already having a bad time in Pokemon Red and Blue. Half the game is lost when shit isn't a mystery.

>>2668659
>solo magicarp run.
How?

>>2668676
this is how

>>2668684
Not related to reply chain but my main reason for picking Squirtle both in Red and again in Leaf Green was to make sure my rival didn't wind up with that dumbass eggtree.

>>2668684
Gonna need a better explanation than that.

>>2668684
I love how even to this day they still go easy on us by having bosses use some pokemon with only 3 moves.

>>2668674
I already played it , not much mystery to have.
I just want to challenge myself. And beating pokemon with the weakest pokemon solo is challenging.
>>2668676
>>2668684
Nah, I mean as legit as you can.
>go throu the game fighting as little as possible
>glitchskip brock
>buy magicarp
>beat the game with magicarp
No evolving, no other pokes, just grind.

The only problem is I dont remember if struggle works on ghosts.
It used to be typeless move. Not even physical, just typeless, so works on ghosts. I think it was in G1, but not sure.

>>2668659
you need strength for victory road and fire mansion.
you need cut for 2 gyms and to get to east side of map
you need surf for one gym and victory road


you dont need flash, only used once and you can "see" if your display is bright enough. I did it by mistake my first playthrough in '98 on my old gameboy in the backseat of minivan on a road trip becuase I didnt have flash.

and like u said u dont technically need fly.

>>2668713
So, strength, surf and cut.
Can a starter learn all 3?

>>2668707
Think struggle is normal in G1

>>2665498
i cheated every time and took all three of them.

GASP! i'm a monster

>>2668707
You have it backwards, it's NOW typeless because of the problems you're about to have in Gen I.

The best starter is the one that gets you to the end game fastest.

None of those pokemon are good enough to cut it on a real 6 man squad and would get stomped.

Not even a single starter in OU.

>>2668723
>>2668734
So, that means that I wont get past Agatha on Elite4, or maybe even wont get past tower in Lavender?
Fug.

Squirtle. A water type is necessary to progress the game and Blastoise is a great defensive asset to have, especially later on.

>>2668750
The weakest starter is now the best guys!!!

>>2668759
>surf destroys charizard
>ice beam destroys venusaur
Uh huh.

>>2668718
nope

>>2668762
>Speed: 78

Why would you use Ice Beam on Venusaur when Blizzard is available? Are you 10?

Furthermore, guess Venusaur's speed, I'll give you a hint: It's over 78.

Wanna know something else dumbass? It knows sleep powder.

Eat shit fuckface.

>>2668732
did you also get mew under the truck?

>>2668771
I always got the farfetched so he could cut/fly then put strength and surf on a gyrados i think.

obviously you only put flash on a shitty magnemite

>>2668774
What are you implying?

>>2668772
You seem really mad. Like, exceptionally mad that someone used a different starter.

Are you 10?

>>2668779
Just think you're a moron for suggesting Blastoise, the worst of the three is now supposedly the best.

Stay braindead, child.

>>2668772
know what happens when sleep powder misses like it always does?

>>2668783
This right here is what autism looks like, ladies and gentlemen.
This is the face of /vp/.

>>2668783
bulbasar is the worst by far. any shitty bird with fly wrecks his ass.

>>2668783
Be honest, you only picked Bulbasaur because it won you the first two gyms without having to try.

>>2668785
Blastoise fails to 1HKO due to the Sp. Def of Venu and his shit Sp. Atk?

>>2668786
Stay destroyed, prove me wrong.

>>2668790
This is why Venusaur is in the BL tier and the other two are UU, yes.

>>2668792
So I could get to the end game, aka the real game, player versus player with real pokemon. It is indeed the fastest method to get to the real game, rather than playing against the computer and using a starter past age 13, yes.

I mean if you guys want to lose to people because you feel a pokemon is "cool" that's great, I'll take my free wins.

>>2668798
I know how to get lvl 199 mewtwos, nobody ever beat me unless i let them.

>>2668807
>Not a level 245 Mewtwo with Boltbeam, Psychic, and Recover

>>2668823
>Boltbeam
you wot

>>2668771
>>2668740
Oh well, FR, multiple HMslaves and giving myself old rod at the beginning it is.

>>2668825
Thunderblot and Ice-T Beam.

I'm not a sperg so I'm not gonna obsess over which is best or worst in some pseudo-ironic debate.

I like all 3, they all have unique strengths, weaknesses and personality that makes them all great.

>>2668774
game genie game shark action replay monster brain every single one of these had a code to let you take all three starters.

also the mew was a lie i hacked one in with a gameshark

>>2665498
For the purpose of beating the game, Squirtle is far and away the best choice.

>>2669136
Who gives a fuck about starters for end-game when you can solo the elite 4 with Slowbro?

>>2669138
Not only end game, it's the best of the three through the entire game.

>>2667541
Yep, Surf is only needed for Postgame shenanigans.
B/W 2 however went back on it, you do need to use HMs quite a bit to progress, but it's still not as awful as Gen 3 and 4. Mostly just Surf for the water routes it added.

>>2667584
Well yeah, Obviously the events were the only legitimate way to get Mew in any region.

I was refering to soley using ingame methods, which other than using Trainer-Fly you can't.

>>2668903
Related: pisses me off that monster brain doesn't work with the japanese games. I accidentally set the day wrong on crystal, and unlike the international versions, the japanese version doesn't have a secret clock restart.

At least the damn thing's only 10 bucks, but a GS is gonna cost me like 30...

>>2665574
That's not even true. Most of /vp/ hates ORAS because it felt like a lazy cash grab, in part because there was no battle Frontier.

In my opinion, gen V(B/W and B2/W2) was the best gen, and I'd recommend it to anyone wanting to get back into the series.

Gen I just feels unplayable to me today, and I played the shit out of Red as a kid. It's slow, buggy and movesets are so retarded you can't even use some pokemon (Voltorb line didn't learn any electric moves, scyther didn't learn any bug moves or any reasonably strong moves) , and the only Ghost move that didn't have fixed power was Lick. And ghost wasn't even super effective against psychic due to a bug.

The first good gen was II. With the GBA games available there's no reason to play gen I at all.

>>2665716
>>>/v/
You have a whole fucking board for you shitty attitude. Fuck off.

>>2668684
Is Blue the only Gym Leader in the series who doesn't use just one type of Pokemon?

Just a reminder: Thunderpunch Kadabra is the best Pokemon and cannot be defeated. You can solo Red, Elite Four or anything else life throws your way with it.

>>2669441
the triplets from B/W who force you to use one of the stupid moneys.

>>2669541
They don't force you, its just marginally easier. They just use the element good against your starter, you can also use literally any other thing that isn't weak against it.

>>2669505
You can solo literally any game with anything. They're not hard games and if you only use one mon it'll get very overleveled very quick

>>2669584
I can solo your team too unless it's made of Thunderpunch Kadabras.

My team is 6 mega rayquaza :^)

R8 my team mates.

I think I can take on misty now

>>2669661
You better be using that Mew as a HM slave.

>>2669710
Why?

>>2669731
>Using legendaries in single player
Why? The game is easy enough as it is.

squirtle is the best for just running single player in gen 1

>>2665498
I always thought that charmander was easy mode, squirtle was normal, and bulbasaur was hard mode.

>>2668798
Just gonna point out that no one gave a FUCK about link battles back in 1998 when you had better options like Mario Kart and GoldenEye. Even when Stadium came out, all anyone ever played was the minigames. At school, cards were more popular because they were easier to hide. So you can talk about competitive and tiers all you like, but that has nothing to do with how things actually were.

As for which starter to choose, that's easy. You pick the one whose picture was on the box.

>>2669753
You could not be any more backwards.

>>2669740
Not getting poisoned with bulbsour is also nice.

>>2669756
I remember the sad day when my asshole principal at school banned gameboys on the playground in 1999. Before that my friend would always kick my ass in battles.

>>2669813
Holy shit, gameboys at my schools were banned basically immediately after they came out.

Squirtle to stomp Brock then after that you should have switched to Nidorian as your main.

>>2665498
Squirtle
When he gets to be wartortle, I don't let him evolve itnto blastoise.

>>2665498
Bulbasaur

>Leech Seed
>Toxic
>Everything not Poison is sapped to death

>>2667031
Nah that's IV. After that was when they started catering to their intended fanbase of kids even more than they used to, because they started complaining about the size of the region.

It was still trying to be good at that point.

>>2667031
I thought silver/gold was shit personally

>>2670428
It did a lot of things both good and bad. It fixed a few of the worse bugs of Gen 1 and introduced a damn good day/night/week setting, but since the based compression technique came in last minute they didn't have much time to balance out Kanto.

It would've been more fun if after the Elite 4 they didn't throw level 30s at you for most of the time. Crystal had the first introduction of the Battle Tower at least.

>>2670439
That all may be so, but the monsters sucked

>>2670451
Agreed. Fuck baby pokemon yo.

>not playing Pokemon Yellow
>1998

>>2669647
>>2669505
>Thunderpunch Kadabra
SeismicToss/Soft-Boiled/Toxic/DoubleTeam Chansey says hi

>>2670439
Too bad that clock feature kills the battery. I've never actually completed G/S since I put them away before beating them and by the time I came back to them the batteries were dead.

>>2670519
>getting your mutually exclusive mons from pokewelfare
>not winning them at the gym leader castle in Stadium

>>2670586
>Speed 50-218
Good luck landing a single hit before Kadabra one-shots it. Psychic also has 100% accuracy.

How could you not instantly love this smile? Saladfrog all the way.

>>2665498
It's so hard for me to choose the best starter. Gen 1 had the best group of starters out of all generations. I can pick favorites in later generations, but not gen 1. They all look good and have their individual perks.

>>2670912
I think all the starters are pretty good looking, except for gen 5 trio.

Good fucking god, Serperior and Samurott are just an eyesore.

>>2670940
imo you can see a gradual decrease in all pokemon from one generation to the next. I will agree that Gen 5 has the worst starters.

And the mega evolutions for old starters... don't get me started on how bad those look.

>>2670723
It can't one shot Chansey, it has the highest HP and some of the highest Special in gen I. Psychic probably does less than 30%to it.

>>2665498
Always went water for some reason

Elder God Tier:
Gen I

High Tier:
Gen III

Mid Tier:
Gen II
Gen V

Low Tier:
Gen VI

Shit Tier:
Gen IV

I got sick of using starters so i normally ended up starting with a nidoran or mankey

>>2671338
Gen I is only good if you're looking through nostalgia goggles.

Gen V is the best. BW1 was like a reboot of the series for people looking to get into pokemon again and BW2 just had so much sheer content. Unfortunately it was the last good gen, there will never be a pokemon game worth playing ever again.

>>2665498
every single time i flip a coin between Charmander and Squirtle

>>2667004
>Totodile

muh nigguh

>>2670586
Brick break Raichu says
#rekt

Squirtle is the best overall. Water is a really strong type and he can learn both ground and ice type moves to counter his only weaknesses.

That said, Bulbasaur is fun too, if only for the hilarious Leech Seed + Toxic combo. Makes the early game a little too easy, though.

Charmander has no redeeming gameplay qualities whatsoever. Charizard couldn't even learn any flying-type moves in Red and Blue. Disgraceful.

>>2670907
>Best argument for bulba itt

>>2669441
Diamond/Pearl had the idea of faking you out in Gym Leaders every once in a while by throwing in a non-type that had the ability to use the type. For example Ice-Type had a Medicham that could Ice Punch.

Unfortunately it got old and stupid in the Elite 4, where you had a Fire-Type user in a region with only two Fire-Types use a shitty Steelix.

>>2670907
Rare Pepe!

>>2670650
>buy a save backup device for your game.
>back up your game
>then you repair the battery
>resume the game

>>2665498
Squirtle.

I liked that everyone liked Charizard. It made it that much easier to fuck everyone up.

Charmander

For the number crunchers, Bulbasaur is the way to go because gen 1's "special" stat was both special attack and special defense. And since special is his highest stat, it's like having two standout stats as opposed to one. Not to mention he's good against most of the gym leaders.

However, I always have to go with Squirtle because Blastoise is on the cover of my game cart so I feel like I'm betraying him if I don't.

Squirtle

>>2666770
No one on /vp/ actually hates gen I. They just hate the deluded casualfags that think everything after gen I sucked. And to be fair, gen I was a glitchy mess with no post game, and the lackluster sprite art hasn't aged well.

That being said, most people on /vp/ don't just blindly accept the newer games as better by virtue of their novelty. In fact, a sizable number of people on /vp/ think Gen II (or its remakes) are the best Pokemon games despite being 15 years old now.

Charmander all the way. I've always loved the fire starters

>>2672020
>In fact, a sizable number of people on /vp/ think Gen II (or its remakes) are the best Pokemon games despite being 15 years old now.
Which is the objective truth.

>>2671780
>take back cover off of Game Boy
>take apart game
>plug into Game Boy and turn on
>switch the battery
>put everything back together

>>2672024
Twisted firestarters

>>2672028
I agree with you wholeheartedly but I think since the release of Gen VI /vp/ has been looking back on Gen V with rose-tinted glasses lately. The /vp/ crowd is generally quite unhappy with Gen VI.

Chikorita.
I always go for grass pokemons.

>>2672040
To be fair a lot of people weren't very happy at VI. It felt rather lazy on many levels and the big deals GF were pushing were:

>Complete 3D which wouldn't be a big deal now.
>Instead of giving the normal amount of actual new Pokemon, they instead gave old Pokemon a way to boost themselves into sky-high levels with a sprite change. Alongside a buttload of balancing in moves.

I mean sure it's somewhat better than burning the franchise to the ground and some megas look nice, but what's the point if you're not into customizing your character and view Megas as absolute bullshit (and therefore souring you on every game onwards because Megas are a permanent fixture)?

1st gen? Venusaur by far, thanks to the toxic+leech seed glitch and the razor leaf glitch doing always critical hit damage (and thus being a move with 165base power that ignored status modifiers with near perfect accuracy)
Add to that how uncommon decent grass types were in contrast to how many good water types were and how useless fire types were.

Blastoise is my favorite tho

all gens onward? It is irrelevant, they are all equally good

>/vp/ hates gen1, charizard, hates etc etc

no we fucking don't?

when are people going to learn that you can't speak for a whole board or to think that all the posters from a board think the same?

>>2672059
The region had lots of available pokemon, and there were a lot of good ideas. There wasn't anything PARTICULARLY wrong with Gen 6 (other than that fucking godawful engine), unlike in gen 4 which has more underwhelming original Pokemon and INCREDIBLY samey environment (look at maps on bulbagarden, they all use about three different tilesets).

The big problems is they arent as good as gen 5. Gen 5 just felt so tight and well executed.

>>2672064
>you can't speak for a whole board
>no we fucking don't

Is hearthgold/soulsilver worth picking up?

>>2666968
No it didn't, even in Japan the only way to get Mew was from an event.

>>2672073
>No we don't
I can say that because it means that your claims are wrong, not making a claim myself

>>2672075
Yes, Pokemon following you was a cute touch and it has a pretty great roster, especially with the gen 4 evolutions that fix a few of the really shitty gen 2 pokemon statwise

Also Johto is the first game where the region feels a little thematically interesting

Know there's no online anymore though

Also, use a shuckle when you get to Cianwood, it's a great Pokemon

>>2672083
Ah, great. Now to remake my Chikorita/Onyx/butterfly/Alakazam build.
By the way, can you evolve alakazam and onyx without pokemon trade now?
For fuck sake I should be writing why do you do this to me /vr/

>>2672075
It's in the midst of some kind of speculative bubble right now, so it all depends on how set you are on playing it. Short of trying to find sealed copies of the Gameboy pokemon games, it is probably the most expensive game to pick up of the series right now. Used CIB it usually runs north of $50 (current ebay prices), whereas a sealed copy is anywhere from $80-100. If you're on a budget just try to find the cartridge alone without manuals or the pokewalker. That device added very little to the game anyway.

But yes HG/SS along with black and white were the best games in the series to come out on the DS imo.

>>2672089
Nope! If you want to do that you need a second ds and game. Sucks.

You could always play a romhack that fixes that, or sacred gold which fixes that AND mixes up the game a little. But sticking with a real cart, you're SOL. Sorry.

>>2671324
This, seismic toss chansey was so broke they removed chansey's possibility to learn it in every gen afterwards

>>2671440
Even if it could have brick break in gen I, chansey still win. I don't think you understand how broken chansey that could learn seismic toss was.

>>2665498
When I was a kid and first played it, I chose Squirtle.

Playing it now, all three of them have their own merit: Blastoise can learn Surf and Blizzard, the best coverage in this game, Charizard can learn Slash which can critical through the entire game, and Venusaur which can learn leech seed + toxic, a deadly combo in gen 1.

>>2665656
Nidoking is by far hands down the best pokemon in the game. Can completely wreck any trainer with BoltBeam, Horn Drill, and Earthquake.

>>2672140
>Horn Drill
Only good with x accuracy tho

>>2672140
He's only great early to mid game, by later levels his stats aren't that great and his type is kinda shit.

>>2672192
X accuracy doesn't affect OHKO moves

>>2672248
In Gen I they made OHKO moves 100% accurate, skipping checks for things like double team and sand attack even.

Can't use items in player battles though.

>>2672071
Don't forget that not only did they blatantly copied the 3d models from that 3ds pokedex (so they put in minimal effort) and STILL managed to fuck it up. Turning on 3D makes framerate in battles drop to horrible levels of 2-5fps. And out of battle it still looks ugly as sin.

GF 's newest trend is making the most money with the least effort. Pokemon will never be good again.

>>2672334
Never knew that. Must try!

>>2671525
Wanna learn a fun combo? I did this with a Pincer. Use toxic then keep using wrap. It's literally like seeing your prey die in your hands. It makes the opponent so helpless.

After play Pokemon and then other RPGs, I feel like I have to tune on a whole different mindset when playing the games now.

Th-thanks Final Fantasy.

>>2665498
Late to the party but although my favorite was Bulbasaur, Charmander was in my opinion the best :
Yes first badges aren't super easy but they aren't so hard either; the rock pokémons you encounter have really low SDef which means your flameattack whatever it's called in English still does quite a bit of damage.
Anyway the reason I think Charmander was the best was because of Slash being bugged, doing 140% dmg 99% of the time. With that it wasn't exactly hard to clear the whole game with just your Charizard, from the thousands of hours played on Pokémon Stadium doing run after run inn 3x speed to level teams to level 100 I can assure you Charizard was the easiest and fastest out of the three.

>>2666174

Bulbasaur is my personal favorite due to the more defensive style in game and because I just like the plant/animal hybrid concept.

I think it's kind of well known that because of typing of the early gyms, the starter are basically a difficulty choice for the single player game. Bulbasaur is easy, Squirtle is medium, and Charizard is hard.

My periodic checking on this thread makes me want to start a gen 1 or 2 run as a side from the non-/vr/ stuff I'm playing.

Far as it goes, when I was a kid playing G1 for the first time, I went with Charmander in Red, and Squirtle in Blue. Never did a Bulbasaur run back then.

Pinsir doesn't learn Wrap tho

Not too /vr/, but in case anyone here didn't see it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sj2iQyBTQs

We're trainers IRL now.

>>2672992
Actually, in classic red and blue, at the level you fight brock bulbasaur hasn't learned any direct damage plant moves, just leech seed, whereas squirtle has bubble and dishes out the damage like crazy. Even charizard's ember does better.

Misty is a different story and by the time you're at lt.surge it's bad news for squirtle, but by this point you have access to a much larger range of other pokemon available to you (not just pidgey, caterpie, weedle, pikachu, nidoran male and female, mankey and ratatta) and it's easier to type-match.

So It's actually squirtle = easy, bulbasaur = mid and charmander = hard. At least early on. Later on there are around 40 water types to pick from, oddish or bellsprout for decent plant types and just arcanine (or moltres if you're a person who uses legendaries without feeling like an asshole) for fire, so the benefits kind of reverse.

I think they fixed this in leaf green and fire red tho. You get vine whip earlier or something?

>>2673205
Yep you get vine whip early on, which is alright. The problem with it though is that it has low PP, but it's pretty damn powerful because move types were still being calculated by stats instead of certain moves being specifically physical or specifically special.

I use Charmander to fight Brock head on, and my reasoning for this is because Charmander's Ember in Red and Blue while not being very effective, you have a chance of Burn, which is the thing that'll make the fight go by faster.

>>2673125
I meant Bind. Same attack, different name

>>2673163
It should be illegal to make ads like this.


>that cringey music
>not one bit of actual gameplay
>normies playing a childs game

>>2673374
>normies
What is this? Monster High?

>>2665498
From a usefulness standpoint, at least in gen1, Squirtle. Is just straight up overpowered, especially for a move you can get relatively early. It also ensures that you won't need to worry about Blaine or Giovanni.

From a personal standpoint, though, Bulbasaur. I think it's adorable, and it's the best for the early game, before your team has had a chance to really get established. It's a solid choice for the late game, and its type means it can carry you to where the good mons are without any problems.

>>2672029
Does this actually work?

>>2665585
pick carterpie, evolve him to butterfree and grind until he learns hypnosis
pick nidoran, grind until he/she learns double kick

>>2675718
Sure. Even if the SRAM loses power (not sure on this), you'd just need to make sure to load the game before touching the battery and save again once you've got the new battery in. No different than if the battery were to run out while you're playing. Though I'm not sure I'd be confident at prying or soldering the battery with the cart in the Game Boy, and there's no reason to do this for Pokemon when the transfer pak exists.

Besides that, there's also apparently a flash module you can use as a drop-in replacement for the SRAM on Game Boy carts for non-volatile saves. But it costs something like twenty CR2032s so it's kind of pointless.

>>2665585
>pidgey
>sand attack x3
>chip away at onyx health while he flails helplessly missing every attack
>repeat till dead
2EZ

>>2668785
You use sleep powder again because it's faster?

>>2672210
All you need is high speed and decent att and sp.att. X speed & x accuracy are needed though to solo the entire game. Give or take around 10 x accuracy and 5 or so speed ones.

I always just used the pokemon on the cover of the box.

>>2665498
Each has their own perks, but you could easily crush your rival once you Evolve an Eevee into the opposite Element of the Rival's Pokemon.

>>2675916
>sand-attack
>the attack missed
>Onix used Tackle!

Or something. If he has a rock move, that's even worse, it's super-effective.

>>2665585
Not really, because both of their specials are shit. You can abuse this with Ember and Confusion. Especially after you eat up Brock's Full Heals, you can get a lucky burn in.

>>2669541
Did those fuckers ever get thrown out / executed for that blatant ass cheating? There's no way their routine is even remotely according to league rules or the actually strong leaders would be using it to become unbeatable.

>>2676046
>unbeatable
for chrissakes go catch a few pokemon. even if you have the worst luck in the world, you've run out of trainers so you can't get more money, you spent all your pokedollars on pokeballs that failed, you have no friends to trade pokemon with, you have just your one starter and the given pokemon?

go grind. grind your balls off.

>>2666347
Digimon (the show, never played the games) had GOD TIER music.

Hey digimon, hey digimon: monster friends to the boys and girls. Hey digimon, hey digimon: CHAMPION of the digital world.

>>2672071
>There wasn't anything PARTICULARLY wrong with Gen 6 (other than that fucking godawful engine)
How about the fucking difficulty level, asshole? The thing that made all the huge amount of variety in Pokemon feel 100% cosmetic and your choices not matter? Gym leaders never reaching above 3 pokemon, elite 4 with only 4, boss villains with 4 and 2 pokemon respectovely (a 2-shitmon postgame boss! really!), not one opponent requiring any strategy or with high levels, then ontop of it a completely broken exp share concept and easymode stat training? There are 3 trainers in the region with 6 pokemon: one is the champion, one is your genderswap and only in postgame, and the other is the dead horse known as the Magikarp joke trainer whose HILARIOUS job is to waste like 10 minutes of slow animations' time in punishment for talking to him in your search for one single interesting battle.

I have to wonder if the whole game is some kind of a jab at France.

>>2676054
We read entire posts here, not the first few words and the last one.

>>2665998
at least you can talk

>Blastoise
There are about 8 other water types that I prefer over Blastoise
>Charizard
Gains a weakness to electric/2xrock types after evolving
>Venusaur
Shitty powder moves, poison type

>2015
>still using a starter

In a not-being-outclassed way, Bulbasaur is the best choice because Gyara and Starmie blow Blastoise out of the water (Slowbro and Vaporeon work too, Gen I introduced so many of the best water types) and Moltres/Arcanine shit on Charizard if you think Fire types are important. Venusaur's competition are basically strict downgrades of itself except Exeggutor who is more of a sidegrade.

In pure muscle to bulldoze the game, Blastoise does it easiest because the base power of Hydro Pump and Blizzard make him stronger than Venusaur (FYI anyone talking about Ice Beam is a Gen III tagalong talking about non-/vr/ remakes) and he can never be left stumped in coverage like Charizard.

So compared to each other, Blastoise is the best, but Venusaur is the only one who should merit consideration for any 'optimal' Gen I team, if that concept is actually meaningful for a game this easy. It's a lot like talking about character strengths in, say, Chrono Trigger: purely academic discussion on choices that ultimately don't matter.

>>2676149
I still use a starter, but technically speaking there are pokemon that outrank your starter. The thing is though, a starter is supposed to help round out your team and get your feet wet in the game your playing.

Also nice pic, fits perfectly well with your post.

>>2676149
Nothing wrong with using the starters that are unique in some way. Keeping 2nd or 5th gen starters except for the Totodile line (who BARELY tiptoe around the 'outclassed' stamp) longer than you have to is a crime though. Even Torterra from 4th gen is close to being worthless even though it's quite unique and really fucking cool.

>>2676182
Also it seems like choosing a starter was more significant in gen 1 and 2, because those three types (leaf, fire, and water) were actually somewhat rare in the wild.

>>2676154
Robo >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
Ayla (for charm alone)
> Crono = Magus (triple techs are actually a trap anyway and his elemental spells are stonger versions of other characters' so he's really versatile)
> Marle (Marle Helms lel) = Frog (nice 4th-best at physicals you got there, legendary swordsman)
>
>
Lucca (imagine having to live with a person who can never bring anything by fireballs to any situation, ever. Worst wife)

>>2676212
>water types
>rare

You're definitely right about the fire types, though. It's hard to get ahold of good fire-types until near the end of the game in gen 1.

>>2676212
Water types have never been rare. They have to dedicate a lot of tiles to only-water-pokemon encounter zones and implemented fishing, so they've had to fill out every dex with water mons.

>>2676217
Is the path to Celedon really that late?

>>2676212
>leaf
get out

>>2672121
How? Did it work in a special way for Chansey than for other Pokemon? If I'm thinking of the same move, it could only deal as much as 100 damage. I honestly think Chansey with a few special moves, like Psychic or Blizzard, would be more of a threat in Gen 1, since it had a really good special stat.

>>2676217
>>2676221
IIRC, there's only three fire pokemon available before Cinnibar Island.
charmander, growlithe/vulpix (depending on version), flareon.

>>2667584
I can confirm this, because I was one of those Fucking Kids. But I tried to make up for it by duping it with my friends until we accidentally duped a Rattata and somehow lost the Mew forever.

>>2676231
Chansey is a tanky pokemon with high defense and shittons of HP, but a rather weak attacker.

BUT...

Seismic Toss always deals damage equal to the user's level (so 100 if Chansey is level 100). It's not affected by type strengths and weaknesses, it just always does 100 damage. Period. It's a devastating move that perfectly complements Chansey's solid defense.

>>2676256
But I'm sure that the other attacks I listed could probably deal more than a paltry 100. The lowest HP Pokemon you could encounter at that level would be something like 250/300, which needs three successful hits.

>>2676256
>Chansey is a tanky pokemon with high defense

b8

>>2676308
Doesn't Chansey have high special? So that means she can use some special attacks for decent damage?

I always liked to pick Charmander, but thinking about it now, Squirtle is probably the best choice.

If you want a water pokemon that isn't a Magicarp, you gotta wait until you get the Good & Super Rod. Which you can't get until after all the bs with the underground Team Rocket base and Pokemon Tower. That's halfway through the game. You can get a Growlithe or Vulpix after you get to Lavender Town. That takes a while, but at least you can get a fire type before Erika. And for grass types, you can get a Bellsprout or Oddish before you fight Misty, so you can get grass type really early compared to the other two types.

Basically, it takes a while to get a variety of water pokemon to choose from... And it makes the first couple and last couple of gyms easy.

I remember way too much shit about this game.

>>2665585
>Onix used Bide
>Charmander used growl
>Charmander used growl
>Onix unleashed Bide
>but it failed

God damn, it's like Dark Souls level of difficulty

>>2676378
kek

>>2665498
always picked fire starter because fire type is the least common type out of water/grass/fire

>>2665585
I did an experiment a few months ago. I rushed through the game straight to Brock avoiding almost all battles and catching no other Pokemon. All three starters were able to solo Brock fairly easily. Charmander has it the hardest and you may need to use the potions you find early on but you can beat Brock with Charmander as soon as it learns Ember. It's funny, I used to think that Brock was totally unfair for Charmander players but it's almost impossible to lose to him unless you're trying to or something.

I consider Squirtle to be, objectively, the best starter in 1st gen but, as for 2nd gen, I can't decide. They all seem equally... useless. If you got a female Totodile you might as well just fucking quit.

>>2676217
>>2676219
Water types are rare through HALF of Gen I. Up until you get to Celedon your options are Squirtle and Magikarp (and don't give me that "but it evolves" line, training a Magikarp is a stupid way to waste your time). After Celedon you can evolve an Eevee, get one Lapras, and, eventually, get a better rod at which point it's all water all the time but up until the fourth/fifth badge it's really only Squirtle.

>tfw

>>2665620
Fuck, I remember hearing about Bill's Secret Garden all the fucking time as a kid. When went back as a teenager and actually got there, it really wasn't impressive hahah

>>2676023
Onix has the same attack stat as Caterpie though. Its not exactly an offensive powerhouse.

>>2676764
Always thought 255 was the max stat value in the first gen for some reason.

>>2676820
It is for a lot of things, but not stats.

>>2676371
Why would you want a water pokemon that isn't a Magicarp?

>>2676606
>Water types are rare through HALF of Gen I. Up until you get to Celedon your options are Squirtle and Magikarp
>HALF
no. almost all of the water types become available only 3 or 4 gyms in.

Not to mention there is a vast abundance of water TMs and HMs that the game force feeds you to hold your hand. Water Gun is obtained before you fight a single rock trainer aside from Brock, and 70% of the Pokemon up until then can learn it and one hit KO any rock type. Then there's the ridiculously overpowered bubble beam you get after just the second gym.

Then as soon as you leave Rock Tunnel you have access to the Pokeflute, now you can head south, get the Ultra rod, go to Fuchsia city and get HM3 Surf the best water move in the game, and all the other water types in the region are yours for the taking. Yeah you can skip ahead a bit, that is the beauty of gen 1. All of this can be done before you challenge the 4th gym leader, less than halfway through the game.

Fire types: You can get 1 by this time. Growlithe/Vulpix. Ember is the only good fire move until flamethrower. Vulpix doesn't learn flamethrower until 35 and is quite shit until then. Charmander at 38. The rest over 40, way deep into the game.

Grass: Only Oddish/Bellsprout or Paras. Bellsprout learns razor leaf at 33, oddish Pedal dance 33. Paras none. Otherwise your're stuck with only megadrain until then.

tl;dr water is much more abundant than all other types, you just have to get the pokeflute.

>>2677161
> as you leave Rock Tunnel you have access to the Pokeflute
you left out a little, you had to clear the rocket hideout and the pokemon tower.

I actually did that on my first playthrough, I watched the anime and thought Sabrina was supposed to be the 4th gym leader. Koga and Erika really disappointed me.

>>2677193
That's right. You have to beat a couple small dungeons in the rocket hideout and then lavender tower but that's pretty simple

>>2677202
4 to 5 trainers in the gyms are even simpler though.

>>2665498
Bulbasaur has always been my favourite, so I always go with that. He/she also works well against the first couple of gyms so it felt like a good tactical choice.

ITT: Let's act like the polar opposite of /vp/ and hate every new gen

>>2672028
>objective

>>2677347
u got memed kid

But really, it is the best gen.

>>2676764
>that scaling
consult a doctor or a bottle of bleach

>>2676308
Chansey has always had above average Special Defense and the Best HP stat in the serries aside from Blissey.

In Gen I Special Attack and Special Defense were rolled into a single "Special" Stat that was used for both.

In Gen I what would become Chansey's Sp.Def stat was it's over all Special stat, meaning not only could a Chansey take a good deal of punishment from special attacks (which due to Special being so broken most of the heavy hitters in the metagame were Special Attackers) because of it's high HP and SPC, it could also do a good deal of damage with Special attacks as well, which made it a staple in RBY Meta.

Also Sesmic Toss Gave it a means to deal steady chip damage to anything except Gengar, which it could just nuke with high powered Psychics anyway.

>>2671359
>Gen I is only good if you're looking through nostalgia goggles.
That's the only context in which anybody should regard pokemon.

Gen 1 was cool when I was a kid, and gen 2 was cool because it expanded on gen 1. As far as I'm concerned, everything after that was just rehash for a new generation of kids.

When I heard they remade the gen 3 games, I knew my world was fucked.

>>2666372
No, it can also happen if you overlevel your pokemon without the appropriate badges. The reason it isn't noticed is the cap is high. The Cascade Badge let's starts at level 30. You'd have to be grinding the fuck out of your 'mons to be level 30 before Misty.

>>2678764
>>2671359
Gen II is easily the most balanced, and I'll fight anyone talking shit.

>>2676203
The fuck are you on about with the Torterra thing? Gen 4 had the best starter line and were amazing in game. Plus it learns Earthquake upon evolving Grotle, easily the best STAB after the 4th gym.

>>2677193
Fun fact: you can use a pokemon doll on the Marowak without having to go through the game corner hideout.

>>2678340
What's bad about it/how should it look like? I'm pretty new to emulation purism.

>>2678935
Ideally, every pixel should be the same size. If you look closely, some pixels are 2 high but 1 wide. You could play with a smaller screen at the original resolution, or use a blur filter. Honestly for pokemon, a blur filter wouldn't look any better than this. That other guy just needs more human contact in his life.

>>2666326
>The Easter following Pokémon's North American release, I received Red version while my brother received Blue version
I received my first gameboy color and a copy of Blue that easter. Hard to believe it's been so long already.

>>2665578
WRONG
Confusion Butterfree

Pikachu.

Remember when Pokemon designs weren't dogshit?

Maybe a long shot, but does anyone know what, if anything goes missing from the map when you use the Jr. Trainer west of Nugget Bridge to get Mew before beating Misty? I've already checked Cerulean City and Route 24 and nothing seems to be missing, but the wiki makes it sound like this glitch should always remove something from the map. Could the glitch be clearing the rival battle before Nugget Bridge, which you have to clear anyway before starting the glitch?

>>2679048
It's not that their bad(some may be) it's just that you're not used to them. For example, I thought Unova was weird, but now I adjusted. Some Gen 1 designs aren't that great either, like Muk, Electrode, or in the case of Tauros, simply a bull with multiple tails.

I think people who complain about the new designs are blinded by nostalgia to some extent.

>>2679048
Is that really Zygarde?

>>2679197
i did it a couple days ago, didn't "remove" shit.

>>2679210
My complaint is this doesn't look like a Pokemon. It might as well be a fucking Gundam.

>>2679405
What defines the look of pokemon? That's more of an opinion thing as opposed to universal standard.

>>2679405
it looks more like a Zbot, man those toys were the shit.

>>2679210
>I think people who complain about the new designs are blinded by nostalgia to some extent.
>There is literally always a nostalgia-related flaw in the analysis of a long running series

When does entropy in a series ever begin with you people? What even is a defining characteristic of a series? Does the concept of an uncharacteristic design even register with you? What is aesthetic critique? Nobody even mentioned Gen 1, Christ, but sweet comparison bro

Brand loyalty is a powerful thing...It doesn't feel like some people will ever feel there's a jumping off point for this series. It'll just lay down aces forever, huh?

A speedrun I watched indicated that Squirtle was the best starter IIRC, but that you quickly replaced them with Nidoran male. That was in red version though.

>>2679048
Not really.

>>2681837
Yes, Squirtle is only used for surf, but there are other runs where they only use Blastoise and is only couple of minutes slower than the Nidoking runs.

>>2665498
Objectively Bulbasaur. It destroys the first two gyms and after that you have enough choice in Pokemon that the Starter doesn't matter anymore.

>>2665607
Just get pokemon with growl and tail whip and spam them.

>>2666159
Don't forget poisonpowder/leech seed combo.

>>2665498
Charmander was shit in the beginning but got much better towards the end.
Bulbasaur's line could abuse status effects to hell and back in gen 1 and had a great start because the first two leaders were weak to it.
Squirtle's line quickly faded in usefulness after Brock.

So Venusaur but I prefered Charizard.

>>2679417
>It'll just lay down aces forever, huh?

The thing is, that Pokemon isn't being made to appeal to the people who played the last one, it's being made to appeal to the new generation.

From an objective standpoint, the games have been steadily getting better and better. With more pokemon to choose from, more creative and varied type combinations and more gameplay options. Though the Mega evolutions in some of the newer ones are genuinely bad, overall the series has been improving.

But the thing is, that even for people who are big fans of the series, there's only so many times you can play through essentially the same game. That's why most people get the impression newer games suck, because they don't do a lot different from the previous installment and usually after a few games players want something fresh.

But as stated before, that's not what Nintendo is going for. Nintendo doesn't care about the people who played the last three games, they care about the kid for whom this is his first game. They're hoping he'll like it and then play a couple more before moving on. By which time a new crop of kids will be just starting and the cycle continues.

Nintendo knows exactly what they're doing, and it's been working out very well for them.

>>2684148
That makes a ton of sense. To me, the core game is still pretty good, even if I think a lot of the new 'mons are stupid. I just get overwhelmed by all the side shit like super training and whatnot and I lose interest in the game.

>>2665559
this isnt right
Pokemon Diamon Pearl are seen as very flawed, and the last gen is seen as very underwhelming, for technical reasons (Gaemefreaks first 3d games, lack of postgame content, easiest games yet, and mega evolutions breaking even more the balance)
The DS games after Diamond Pearl are seen as the best, Platinum, the GoldSilver remakes, and Black White 2 (not the first one).

>>2665498
Pikachu

I'm surprised by the number of people who would pick Bulbasaur when Squirtle is clearly superior in every way.

Bulbasaur is only good against Brock at lvl 13 and beyond, while Squirtle can curbstomp the gym at 8, and Bulbasaur almost completely loses its usefulness in battle after beating Misty, while Squirtle continue going strong thanks to its way superior movepool. Squirtle learns fairly powerful normal type attacks to replace Tackle through leveling, while Bulbasaur has to be taught TM's that can be taught to Squirtle as well. Squirtle can also learn Dig to deal with pesky Electric type Pokémon, and Ice Beam and Blizzard to make some of the tougher Pokémon at the end of the game much much easier to handle. Bulbasaur's only decent damaging move outside of TM's is Razor Leaf, which is not that impressive. You are also handed plenty of powerful Water type TM's throughout the game, like Bubblebeam and Surf, while Bulbasaur pretty much only gets Mega Drain. Not to mention that Water is such a good type both in defense and offense, while Grass type in general is pretty much crap.

>>2682741
in generation one i killed the entire elite four with sleep powder/poison powder/leech seed/mega drain the entire elite four

>>2684456
There isn't a fucking Grassyados, Grassmie or Grassporeon in Kanto, that's why.

>>2684648
>not listing Grassbro and Poligrass

>>2684661
>Poligrass
Did you not want to say "Grass Wog"?

>>2684456
Are you min-maxing in a children's game? It's easy enough already.

>>2666326
>picking a Pokemon based on how cool it looks rather than stats and countering the 1st gym

I picked Bulbasaur because I felt like he didn't get enough love in the anime.
Childhood was a nice and simpler time.

>>2681837
>>2682383
Whoa, what's Nidoking got that Blastoise doesn't? Is it about Fire Blast? You'd think more things are weak to water than that.

>>2682383
Nidoking looks tough at first glance and has a cool sprite, but he's a fucking poke-manlet

>>2676154
>anyone talking about Ice Beam is a Gen III tagalong
?

I loved that you could buy evolution stones in Gen I. Bothered me in every main game since, it was okay in X/Y since you found plenty (except Moonstones I think but those you couldn't buy in RBY either) but it sucks that you can't evolve so many Pokemon because it's so difficult or stupid to get them.

>>2685141
True that. I had Crystal and was stuck on 250 Pokemon for months because I needed a fucking water stone for Cloyster. I don't know whether I ended up trading one in or what. I think it was fisherman Tully that was supposed to call you randomly give you one? Useless bastard.

Couldn't open one of the treasure rooms in the Ruins of Alph either because the guide we had told us you needed to attach Mystic Water to the first Pokemon in your squad. Years later the internet told us you actually needed guess what? Another fucking water stone.

One item has literally ruined that game for me.

Doesn't really matter, Jynx is objectively the best Pokemon in RB for ingame, and her STAB moves are Super Effective against every Gym Leader and Elite Four member's Pokemon after Lt. Surge except Blaine and Lorelei, and has the most accurate non-Spore sleep move in the game coming off of one of the best Speed stats in the game. And you can get her best Psychic move (Psychic) and her second best Ice move (Ice Beam) pretty much immediately after you get her. She also has the best forced Nickname ever.

But as for the actual topic at hand, I guess Bulbasaur. STAB Razor Leafs with 100% crit chances are pretty fucking great.

>>2685092
Blizzard has 90% accuracy in Gen I, as opposed to 70% in every game afterwards.

>>2685092
Blizzard had 90% accuracy in Gen I. You would be a superchump for using Ice Beam or even talking about it like it matters.

>>2685190
If you're not abusing glitches you only have one TM of each.

>>2685192
If you're not abusing glitches you literally are not playing Pokemon Red or Blue. It's unavoidably a glitch festival.

>>2685194
Abusing is not the same as encountering, and you know damn well what I mean.

>>2685189
so what about gen II then?
my friend had one of those guides for that, so I assumed it was the same in gen I too

>>2685202
Do you not understand what every game afterwards means?

>>2684960
Nidoking sweeps the entire game after it gets Horn Drill thanks to X Accuracy being horribly bugged in Gen 1.

>>2684960
Horn Drill. Fire isn't very useful in gen 1

>>2685206
then how does it mean people that talk ice beam are gen III tagalongs?

>>2684548
No you didn't. You don't have enough pp to get past Agatha, her mons are immune to poison.

>>2665579
>bulbasaur
>vine whip
>2 hit geodude, 1 hit onix
>catch a pikachu in viridian forest, rape misty's face

>>2665508

charmander, bulbasaur was the worst and even got its shit wrecked with squirtle, especially in the beginning of the game, didn't make sense to me as a kid and years later when i replayed it again it still didn't make sense but theres other shit involved now that i think about it, just didn't bother thinking about it as a kid.

>>2666164
>>2665547

go fuck yourselves shidiots

>>2685937
Because they're talking about Gen I as if it were a later Gen, specifically Gen III was the first Gen after Gen I to have Ice Beam as a TM and thus readily available.

>>2685197
The only glitch I use in Pokemon Red and Blue is Missingno for Rare Candies, and I only use it to level up my pokemon to like 50 something right before the Elite Four, because grinding is a bitch, and the Elite Four is quite the spike.

>>2686770
Ice Beam is TM 13 in Gen I.
Available in the Celadon Dpt Store.

I think Squirtle is ultimately the most fun because your rival Green has a better team since I consider Exeggutor to be kind of shit

>>2665498
people don't really hate on it because it's popular, but because it's fanbase, no matter want generation, is a bunch of immature losers that like to spout pointless memes, invade other threads, and pretty much act like spoiled children that think the universe revolves around their beloved franchise.

>>2687281
Exeggutor was good in gen I, blue just had an awful moveset for it.

Speaking of awful movesets: look at that shitty Rhydon holy crap

>>2687464
I'm equally amused by Arcanine knowing ember as its Fire move.

>>2665498
Good ol' buddy Charmander always has my back
I never evolved him

>>2687476
Admittedly Arcanine could not learn Flamethrower. Only Growlithe could, at level 50. Blue had evolved it before that, and there was no Flamethrower TM yet. You do get a Fire Blast TM from Blaine, but maybe Blue got a different bonus when he beat that gym?

>>2684456
>Bulbasaur doesn't learn any powerful moves outside of TMs, which is bad
>proceeds to fill half his Blastoise's moveset with TMs/HMs

Then again, Venusaur also can't learn a lot of good TMs aside from Body Slam. It's still the best Grass type in the game, while there are plenty of good Water types available. Same for Charizard - It's the best Fire type, but there are not that many great Fire types available. Arcanine and Ninetales are good, but you need to use their base form for a long time if you want them to learn all their moves, unless you're planning to just use the one TM for Flamethrower or Fire Blast you get. Blastoise is just another good Water type in a game full of good Water types.

Tentacruel, Slowbro or Cloyster, for example, were much better examples of good Water types. Cloyster even gets STAB on Blizzard. It's got crazy Defense, and its special defense wasn't even terribly low back then because there was only one Special stat. Tentacruel has the bonus of having one of the best Special stats in the game and being pretty fast. Slowbro had the bonus of being partly the best type in the game, namely Psychic, and learning largely the same TMs as Blastoise (like Earthquake).

>>2687053
I think what he meant was that Ice Beam was not available as a TM in gen II.

Also, note that you can't buy it in the dept. store - There's only one TM13 available, and it's on the roof. Same for Blizzard though, there's only one available, so it's not like you can just choose to put Blizzard on everything.

>>2687528
>maybe Blue got a different bonus when he beat that gym?
My headcanon is that Gary didn't get shit from any gym because while Ash was polite and sportsman-like about gym battles, Gary probably acted like a right cunt before and after each gym so the gym leaders just gave him the badge and told him to get the fuck out.

>>2687558
The game characters are canonically named Red and Blue, not Ash and Gary. Aside from that, that makes sense.

I usually use squirtle. His original sprites look dumb, but once he learns mega punch he can basically fuck the entire game.

>>2665508
Charmander was the best, Squirtle second.

Charmander has a tricky start with the first 2 gyms, but it pays off later in the game (I pick up a Pikachu in the forest to take out Misty). Squirtle rapes the first gym, can handle the second, the only real challenges are Surge and (I forget the grass leader), possibly the poison dude too.

Bulbasaur is a potato starter. Kicks the first three gym's ass but then get's pummeled when shit starts to get real.

>>2666326
Holy shut dude I also got Pokemon on easter, blue version, I remember it was blowing up but still months till birthday so my conniving little ass went and nagged my mom

>>2667032

This is bait right?

>>2667032
>normies
What is this, Monster High?

>>2688816
Those girls are hot, but no, Family Guy invented "normies" in the episode where Peter becomes beautiful.

Honestly, I picked any starter - the first time it was bulbasaur - and then ditched it as soon as possible when i caught another pokemon of that type.

Even as a kid, I hated people who just played with their starter that had level 99 whereas all other pokemon in their team were either on level 20 or completely unused.

I never really used legendary pokemon or ubers either. I caught them just for the sake of completeness.

>>2667032
I agree.