/vr/ - Retro Games

>>2652865
Because
>hipsters
>people who think avgn is god
>"raytro" gamer kids

>>2652865
A game so bad that video games would never be the same after its release, is suddenly worth hundreds of dollars. What a surprise. Literally the same as collecting nazi memorabilia

>>2652927
This.
These people are shelling out ridiculous wads of cash for LITERAL GARBAGE.

Pic related sold for over 60 million dollars in 2008.
Art is retarded, more news at 11.

>>2653395
Introducing my latest masterpiece, let's start the bidding at 10 million.

>>2653408
11!

>>2653395
Looks like something out of a Sonic Team game. It's cool, although that price really is retarded.

>>2652951
>A game so bad that video games would never be the same after its release
ET is no where near a bad game.

>>2653558
It has a worse reputation than the actual gameplay deserves, but you can't honestly say it's not bad?

>>2653558
Its not the worst game ever made as people often say, but it's pretty poo compared to some other 2600 titles

>>2653558
Literally so many copies of the game were returned that they had to bury them in a landfill. Players hated it, critics hated it, and people continue to hate it even now. By what metric is it not horrible? It may be over-quoted as the worst game of all time, it's true - it's probably not as flawed as, say, Big Rigs. It was still bad, though, even if it wasn't the worst.

>>2653565
What's worse than the gameplay itself is Atari expecting it to sell more than there was consoles.

They did this a lot, their best selling game ever was a port of Pac-Man, it was a crude, but ultimately adequate port of the arcade hit.
Problem was, despite unrivaled sales, Atari had made a few million more cartridges than they could sell, because they were retards like that.

If E.T hadn't made Atari keel over, some other game would, they did not have healthy business practices.

>>2653558
Yes it is.

>>2653574
>more copies then there were consoles
That takes a special kind of retard to make that mistake.

Hell, even a 1-1 would be too many.

>>2653598
It was intentional, they thought it would be such a smash hit that people would line up to buy a 2600 just for E.T

10 000 000 consoles in North America
They made 12 000 000 cartridges
They sold maybe 3 000 000 (someone correct me if I'm wrong) cartridges, many which would be returned.

The license for E.T was also very expensive. The game itself was rushed out in 5 weeks in time for christmas.

ET wasn't actually a bad game at its core. The problems stem from the incredibly rushed dev cycle.

http://www.neocomputer.org/projects/et/

>>2653637
The final product is absolutely sunstandard though.

>>2653573
>Literally so many copies of the game were returned that they had to bury them in a landfill.
Tons of games were buried in that landfill. Doesn't have anything to do with their quality.

>>2653637
I'm glad people like these exist. I also think E.T. had something wrong and even in its final state was severely underrated.

>>2653573
>games were returned
No. Some idiots made more copies of the game than there were 2600's made

>>2653624
I remember some documentary somewhere saying "IF we had just taken Pac Man and replaced Pac Man with ET's head, it wouldn't have been as bad as what we made. I kind of wish we just did that,"

>>2654009
>"IF we had just taken Pac Man and replaced Pac Man with ET's head
So make the E.T. game exactly like the Alien game for Atari?

>>2653565
It's also pretty decent compared to some other 2600 titles.
The 2600 was all over the place. It was a playable game. Nothing great, nothing terrible. Just kind of, eh, that's it then. Walk around, collect some shit and there ya go.

>>2653667
This, Atari buried EVERYTHING there.
The crash hit them hard, they were sitting on huge inventories which nobody would buy, and which was costing them money to store.

It wasn't JUST E.T, there were 2600 systems, home computers, peripherals, and games of all kinds, good games and bad games.
You were just as likely to find Pac-Man, Space Invaders or Yar's Revenge as you were to find E.T
They dumped all kinds of inventory because they had to. After kids began scavenging the fill they eventually decided to pour in concrete to make sure nobody would dig there.

>>2654009
That was Steven Spielbergs idea, because he liked Pac-Man.
He had asked for Howard Scott Warsaw in particular, and he was expecting him to come in with some typical arcade fare.

HSW had a bigger, more ambitious idea though, which prompted Spielberg to ask after the presentation "Couldn't we just make it like Pac-Man?"

I'd say that the game having been made by HSW on his own, in a mere five weeks, is the key factor to why it became the mess it did.
He saw it as a challenge, bur he didn't make that challenge.

This wasn't some asshole with no experience either, he had made some of the most beloved titles of all time for the 2600.

>>2654221
Yeah, hard to believe he was the man responsible for Yarr's Revenge.

IDK I like et about as much as indiana jones. Never had any problems with either.

>>2653558
And then there's this guy.

When I first heard they were gonna dig up the landfill and put stuff up for sale, I wanted to buy one myself. You know, to own a piece of history and such. It's just that my ceiling was 50 dollars, and it was immediately clear that these pieces of dirt-caked plastic were never gonna be that cheap.

>E.T.
>a bad game
look at all these kiddies ITT.

I'm still shocked people buy some games just for rarity sake instead of games they really want.

>>2654258
So you genuinely think this was a good game?

>>2654258
The game was already in my home when I was born in 1986. I've owned it since then and it's always been a pile of shit. This 'ET isn't bad' contrarian hipsterism is beyond fucking retarded and you people are all shitheads.

Howard Scott Warsaw is one of the best games developers of the 8-bit era. His development on this game was rushed. Had he had enough time to finish it, it would no doubt be one of the best games for the Atari 2600.

>>2654264
Actually the fixed version is pretty fun.

>>2653573
Atari was so retarded they made more copies of ET than there were systems to play it on. It was a notoriously bad game but that's only a small part of why they dumped so many cartridges in a landfill.

>>2652865
I can not imagine why a bunch of collectors would be interested in a historically-significant, previously extremely rare game with a great story attached to it. Sounds like something only retards would be interested in.

>>2653395
What battle is that?

>>2654398
Well yeah if you fix some of the really standout flaws it's not too bad.

But that's not how the game was, that's not what people got when they bought the game and played it.

People don't remember the romhack, they remember the game itself.

>>2653408
>>2653395
I work in a private university's art gallery as a curator. You know what these artists say? "Modern art of this type is meant to invoke emotion and expand our thoughts and imagination beyond normal bounds," or some such sophistry.

My MA is in philosophy. Say what you will about the practicality of that field of study, but it sure beats nebulous ideas of "creativity" that certain sects of the art world are obsessed with fawning over.

Video games. At least they have art assets.

>>2654529
i call it money laundering scheme

>>2654529
>"Modern art of this type is meant to invoke emotion and expand our thoughts and imagination beyond normal bounds,"
Well that IS exactly what the suprematist movement (which this painting was the catalyst for) was all about...

>>2654437
>previously extremely rare game
Yup, YouTube youngfag detected.

>>2653395
it's got a neat sense of style to it

reminds me of this in the broadest sense

>>2654529
Modern art has been lazy like that for at least 70 years now. When can we go back to actual art that takes actual talent and actually looks like something?

>>2654865
>at least 70 years
More like 150.
The problem is that artists only have one way of showing how stupid modern art can be, and that is by ridiculing it with art, which gets praised, perpetuating it.

Warhol tried to show how retarded art is with his cans, and now it's praised as real art making a splatter of a menstrual blood enema farted onto a linen canvas considered "art" instead of "an artist making fun of shitty art".

Compare it to shit like Baneposting and stupid memes, the mainstream misunderstandings of them are really similar. In-jokes taken at face value by people who don't know the context.

>>2654860
That is some really cool artwork, not even kidding.

>>2654865

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67EKAIY43kg&feature=youtu.be

>>2654982
>"His work can exist in perpetuity, beyond the confines of his own life"
>Requires a pamphlet on his life to be understood
This is why art is retarded.
This shit is universal, as long as you put it in a very specific context.

No wonder these faggots can't get real jobs.

>>2654860
I thought of the SAME cover..

>>2654227
He's a talented guy, he just had too little time to do a, at the time, less common concept.

He himself said that with him having made one of the best 2600 games (Yar's), and one of the worst (E.T), he had the greatest range of all 2600 game programmers.

>>2654273
It was kind of on his accord though.

They asked if he could do it in five weeks, he pondered, and said yes, "it'll be a challenge"

>>2653395
Dude was a visionary...

>>2653395

Anon, art isn't about complexity, paying that price for any piece of art is retarded that's for sure.
But shitting on stuff like your pic or pollock it's just plain ignorance.

>>2653558
I'd post a picture of a smug anime girl, but the servers still aren't fixed, so you'll just have to imagine one.
>shinoa_smug.jpg

>>2653558
Oh, oh, wait, I can now!