/vr/ - Retro Games

Tales of Phantasia (SNES)
Made especially obnoxious by the combat being in real-time, and thus slower than menu combat and running away requires walking against one end of the screen for 5 seconds or so. Fun.

Skies of Arcadia encounter rate is pretty absurd.

Beyond the Beyond is pretty bad for that.

>>2645116

>Lagrange Point

Everytime... https://youtu.be/drwX7MbB_IE?t=688

>>2645127
Eh, can be a bit much when you're trying to figure out where you're going, but when sailing in a straight line or running through dungeons it is just fine.

>>2645125
yep that kept me from finishing the game because it just pissed me off too much

>>2645127
Came here to post this.

Phantasy star 2.

How did people actually finish that game...

>>2645116
Breath of Fire 3, I'm almost at the point of dropping the game due to how much of a slog it is.

>>2645338
Mostly getting good.

>>2645348
There's an item for that

SFC Dragon Ball Z RPG
Lufia foul water level, exept it's standard

>>2645338
equip two swords on both hands, equipment is far more important than levels in this game since levels only raise your hp (your str and def stats don't do anything)

>>2645416
What's it called?

Mother 1
FFII

>>2645435
Mother 1 is anti-fun, it's a shame when the sequels are so good

Blonde Lunch is my waifu

>>2645338
Probably because it's a masterpiece.

>>2645127
The only time SoA really bothered be was when you have to sail against the current in the South Ocean. If you weren't prepared, the encounters would cause you to lose a bit of progress through the area making it take way longer than it should.

>>2645505
It's a shame you think that, because it might actually be my favorite, but I understand not liking it too.

The game about random encounters and grinding. Sometimes about Saiyans.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dD5Ix-VA0Mk

>>2645116
What Dragon Ball game is that model from?

>>2645116
I coudn't do anything in breath of fire IV without hundreds of random battles, i quit it because of that.

>>2645697
Not OP, but that's from Origins on the DS.

>>2645338
>How did people actually finish that game...
>How

more like "Why"

> mfw chaos shrine

Later versions of Final Fantasy 1 ramped up the encounter rate, or at least it's more noticeable as a result of auto-dash.

>>2645116
>What game has the most obnoxious random battle encounter rate?
off the top of my head FF2 snes(FF4 easy type) had one every few steps later on in the game.

>>2645127
They lowered the encounter rate substantially in Legends, and it's STILL higher than most RPGs.

>>2645127
This is exactly what I came here to post.

The sluggish, animation-heavy battles do not help this in the least.

I may give it a shot again given I have a decent computer now. Maybe I can abuse fast forward.

>>2646105

Get the Gamecube one, much more reasonable encounter frequency and some extra stuff to boot.

Breath of Fire 1 and 2 were pretty high iirc, but I think the GBA ports fixed it a bit.

I don't understand why designers back then ramped it up so high. Double the enemies' HP and cut the encounters by half. It's the same end result but psychologically it's easier on the player.

>>2645127
the battle rate is annoying and kinda hurts it a bit, but it's still a fairly good game.

now if you really want sadistic, play the original mother like the anons above have said. I feel no shame for using an emulator for that game.

>>2646124
The common thought was that us westerners preferred harder rpgs.

>>2646150
I thought the thought was westerners hated RPGs and that's why they refused to localize so many?

>>2646150
No, the common thought was to make it harder so you couldn't rent the game and complete it in a weekend

>>2645505
spotted the bitch casual

Not retro, but Mega Man Star Force 2 was a fucking nightmare.

>>2645116
All fo these fags don't know about the most annoying game in history of videogames
ARABIAN NIGHTS FOR THE SNES
THIS GAME HAVES THE MOST HIGH ENCOUNTER RATE IN THE HISTORY OF GAMING!

Mother 1 when you try to use a game genie and you put in a bad code. It ups the encounter rate 10 fold, and it feels like every other step is a battle.

>>2647007
Also, Mother 1.

>>2645434
Not that anon but it's a fairy village thing. I don't remember what it's called though.

>>2645423
>your str and def stats don't do anything
Why would anyone do this?

I mean sure there's the FFVI evade bug and VII spirit bug, but that takes the cake for stupidest broken stats.

>>2645423
>>2647143
Honestly, as stupid as that is, it kinda makes me wanna play the game more now. On a mechanics basics, it makes it so the challenge is always pretty balanced, since you're mostly only as strong as how far you are.

>>2646923
my favorite RPG series is SMT, i enjoy a challenge, just not one thats in a cold uninteresting world, Mother 1 is anti-fun

>>2647151
beware of blasters

>>2647151
also, you can never get preemptive strikes, but enemies can

The Legend of the Ghost Lion

You can't grind for experience. You only get stronger by beating dungeons.

>>2645116
Most early Final Fantasy-games including 7.

FUCK NO I DON'T WANT TO FIGHT MORE SAHAGINS I AM DREAMING OF SAHAGINS NOW STOP PLS

>>2645116
I've never heard anyone else complaining, but I remember the sailing parts of Suikoden 4 could be fucking ridiculous.
You could literally not even see the your boat and get dragged into another battle.

>>2648115
>One blaster dead
>Party still in good shape
Photoshopped.

I'm sure there is worse examples out there but to me it's first Fallout and classic Pokemon games.

>>2647004
>there's a time limit for the good ending
Th-thanks, devs

>>2645116
Mother 1. So glad they fixed it in the 2nd one.

>>2648115
>>2648726
Sh- should I just run from them?

>>2645116
Wild Arms 1 and 2.

>>2645116
>What game has the most obnoxious random battle encounter rate?

Sigma Star Saga.
If I weren't playing on emulators with a speedup button, I don't think I ever would have bothered to finish the game.

>>2645143
Beyond the Beyond is pretty bad in general.

>>2649323
If you encounter just one you might try your luck.
If you encounter two you are already dead.

>>2648759
They absolutely nailed it in Earthbound. Low level enemies running away and insta-wins are features I'd like to have seen in more JRPGs.

>>2650329
they always come in pairs I believe

>>2650438
Nah, fairly sure they can appear alone. I played the game fairly recently (Janurary... holy crap where'd my year go) and I remember being able to fight & handle a single one without too much trouble, but the two Blasters always wrecked my shit in one round and left me with a couple of corpses by the time I successfully ran.

>>2648742
I think Fallout is pretty fair on that regard. You're walking miles after all. The combat is pretty quick once you know what you're doing.

>>2645116
The encounter rate in Breath of Fire II's final dungeon is the epitome of absolute fucking bullshit.

Final Fantasy IX gets a special mention if only because of how long a battle takes to even begin.

>>2645125
I never ran from random battles in Tales of Phantasia.

I was level 99 by the time I beat it.

>>2645116
Legend of Dragoon, because it's literally Spam Attack to Win: The Game and the addition system draws out the mundane battles longer than necessary.

>>2645125
For whichever reason, the encounter rate didn't bother me to much, maybe it's because a lot of the dungeons are kinda short.

Aside from the optional Moria dungeon of course. Like 50 floors with hardly any save points. I finished it once but on my second playthrough I died after a few dozen floors or so and couldn't be bothered.

>>2645127
Did they change the encounter rate in the GCN version? That's the only version I played and didn't have any problems.

>>2645561
Except here. Didn't help that a lot of the enemies have instant kill Eterni spells which target everyone iirc. Grinding until you can cast Lambda Burst at the start of an encounter helped.

I'm playing through FFIX now and the encounter rate is bothering me a lot. Battles are so slow with the camera panning around a bunch of rocks for half a minute every time. Later in the game a lot of enemies cause Heat and Doom too, which you can't do much against (although you can equip an immunity to Heat)

Not a retro example but I remember the Gamecube version of Mega Man X Command Mission and that Inuyasha game for the DS just having absolute bullshit encounter rates. Literally every 8 steps on average.

>>2645116
SMT I on SNES. You get an encounter every 3 steps or so. Keep in mind that more often then not the enemies get reinforcements so in most encounters you have to fight 2 battles or more. At least you can auto-battle most enemies after you get the nerve bullets.

>>2645127
Yeah this made it a shit JRPG. The encounter is obnoxiously high but if the battle started as smooth as in dragon quest for example it would be only half as shit. The real problem starts when you need to wait a minute till the battle starts and the fucking animations take tons of time too. What a shitty game.

far and away Phantasy Star II

I've always hated frequent battles. Even when running tabletop D&D games, I prefer there to be only 3 or 4 battles in an average 10 room dungeon. There's just so much more to dungeon crawling than combat encounters. Retro games were more than capable of making them more exciting.

I thought Arcana was pretty bad for frequent battles.

>>2658965
Legends is amazing though. And the world and cheaters) characters are still some of my favorites from any rpg. Plus I loved the discovery system. Encounter rate alone does not make a game bad.

Dragon Quest 2 end game is fucking terrible.

Mother 1

>>2645116

I remember 7th saga on the SNES being absolutely terrible. You had this orb in the corner of your screen with dots that move around randomly and if you touch one, you have to stop for a 1-2 minute fight. You'd be stopped basically every 6 or 7 steps. Still a great game, but the constant battles get old quick. Thank god I was playing on an emulator, otherwise I couldn't do it. It's easily a 50+ hour game

http://theromdepot.com/roms/?dir=SNES

You can get it there, along with pretty much any other game you could want too. Though it's annoying, it's still worth playing in my opinion. I can see why people were turned away though.