/vr/ - Retro Games

>>2641129
Hasn't Daggerfall been available for free directly from Bethesda for a while? Pretty sure GOG has given the classic Fallout games away for free at some point before as well.

>>2641148
Yeah, GOG's giving Arena and Daggerfall away free.

>>2641129
>>inb4 poorfags shrieking about pirating for free
But paying for Doom? I seriously hope you guys don't

>>2641157
Nah, I wouldn't do that.

The biggest thing of note here though is Fallout 1/2 being back on there (including the Steam re-release version) and Quake actually having music ingame. They haven't ever gotten that right out of the box digitally.

>>2641129
Did GOG do anything fancy for these releases, or are they using dosbox?

>>2641207
It varies from game to game. If they can't reprogram them to be compatible, they give a pre-configured dosbox which is really all you can do for many of the older games.

>>2641207
For these in particular that came out, this is what I know:
>Doom games use DOSBox, but few actually care because sourceports.
>Same as everywhere else.

>Quake uses a combination of GLQuake and nGlide, I don't think nGlide was ever used before.
>All music is included and plays.

>Fallout 1/2/Tactics are the same as Steam, it's actually a separate item from the one owned before they were taken off of the catalog.
>Not very worth the purchase if you already own "classic" because of Fixt/Unoffical patches except it's multilanguage now.

>Morrowind is same as Steam

>>2641281
Quake also has WinQuake and DOSBox

Really interesting that they put in every way you could possibly run it without a source port, GOG usually does two at the most when a Win95 version is around.

>>2641281
What about Arena and Daggerfall?

>>2641148
>Daggerfall been available for free directly from Bethesda for a while?
yes, however there was no support. hopefully the gog release has support. i never got it configured correctly in dosbox and had to download a pre-configured version with an installer from elderscrolls wiki(iirc).

>>2641179
and differences between the old fallouts that they used to sell and the 'new' fallout classic? also what is special about the steam re-release version?

>>2641365
I recall Daggerfall from Bethesda's site coming with a fairly detailed PDF telling you how to set it up and get it working step by step.

>>2641394
I remember getting instructions from somewhere(that either didn't work or I failed to follow correctly) but I don't remember a PDF.

>>2641148
yes, but this time a real online retailer is giving away a one click install working version of it for free

Wow, viral marketing.

>>2641281
im really surprised doom is using dosbox. at least they should use chocolate doom for fucks sake

I already got the Dooms from steam on sale a few years ago but still haven't played them because they run like shit. I don't know what the problem is, it just doesn't work very good. I'd try the Gog ones but unless they're a buck each I'm not re-buying them.

>>2641403
Hi /v/

When lots of /vr/ related games go on sale it's a common courtesy to your fellow anons to let them know so they can reap the rewards too.

>>2641429
sounds like you need a sourceport

import those DOOM isos you bought into one and have some fun

>>2641335

Arena and Daggerfall also use DOS box, but Bethesda has had them free on their website for over a year now.

>>2641447
>>2641335
The ones on GOG are the CD versions where those are floppy disc. You get voiceovers.

So it's not much, but it's something new.

>>2641520
>hey, people want to play our older games
>we're gonna release 'em for free™
>hey, Todd, we got the server thingy all ready just slip in your old copies and upload
em
>Howard looks lazily around the office, lifting beers from the numerous CDs littering his desk to see if one of them was the source code. He had it around here somewhere. Looking to his shelf, inside an old and beaten up boxed set of the original D&D, he finds a yellow folder labelled ELDER SCROLLS CAMPAIGN DONUT STEAL OR LOSE, ESPECIALLY YOU TED. Nostalgia of his first assignment with the CD version come flooding back. He opens it to find.... the floppy.
>eh, good enuf

>>2641157
I'll buy Quake for the soundtrack and Morrowind but yeah, Doom's wads have been everywhere for decades now. Who cares?

It's not like the money's going to the original devs so even if you wanted to do it for moral reasons, what's the point?

>>2641129

>no terminator: skynet

am I the only person on earth who likes this game?

I'm starting a first ever play of Fallout tactics.
Any good build for a close ranger fighter?
i want him to use Shptguns and SMG, less mele and hi crit stat.

>>2641559
>It's not like the money's going to the original devs so even if you wanted to do it for moral reasons, what's the point?
To live honestly and respect the efforts of those who currently own the legal rights to the game, typically. But Doom? Yeah, that's been passed around too much to matter anymore.

>>2641661
If you're playing turn based, you'll need to bring your agility up to 8-10 as well as take the Fast Shot trait. Small frame or Gifted as a second trait to bring up that agility. You safely drop endurance to 4 and charisma to 1 (use a high charisma squad mate for trades, but be aware that low cha players get slower promotions and equipment access from the quartermaster), and bring up your perception (7 I think) and luck(whatever you have left) so you can get the Sniper perk later and have a ridiculous critical rate. If you're playing real time combat then don't worry about agility too much.

Also, be aware that certain hit calculations are bugged and if you miss any burst fire shots they will all hit other people in your (very broad) line of fire: mainly your own squad. So don't let your people stack up when shooting.

>>2641713
Actually, disregard the perception and luck stuff if you don't care about crit: drop luck to if you want (might miss some special encounters) and keep perception as is or 5.

>>2641713
Sniper perk is broken

>>2641661
Is that a high rez mod?
What's happened to the game?

Are redguard and battlespire worth getting? They look fun but seem to have very little in the way of a community

>>2641936
Redguard: Yes
Battlespire: Meh

>Quake with soundtrack

Well fucking finally, why did that take so long. I just want to play WinQuake with music without going through hoops.

>No one talking about Battlespire and Redguard being for sell for the first time in over a decade
>No one talking about Battlespire having multiplayer
Come on

>>2641403
I don't understand people that don't like GOG on /vr/. A game company that specializes in selling retro games for crazy-cheap, including all the extras like manuals and maps, makes a point that all their games are scrubbed clean of any form of DRM, also allows you to own the games instead of renting them like Steam and lets you share them with friends, AND the games cost practically nothing.

The only two reasons I can see people hating it are extreme poorfags to whom a couple of dollars is never going to happen, or resellers who discover that their $150 copy of Redguard is now for sale for $3.

>>2642128
Yeah, the most expensive game I've seen there is Morrowind at 30 bucks, and that game can last you years.

>>2642139
Says it's $13 where I am.

>>2641570
This one looks nice.

Isn't Redguard supposed to be super tough to get working?

>>2642128
>Selling free old games, scene cracks with names removed included.
They sure are doing me a favor! Lucky for you I am just a poorfag or a reseller.

>>2642208
You sound bitter enough to be both.

>>2642128
You forgot they do the bitch work of making them work on modern systems too.

>>2642154
The cost of the games changes acording to the place you live in, another adventage over steam
>>2642208
>Baselessly denigrating this hard to defend your shitty opinions
>>>/pol/

how good is red guard?

it though the game looked really cool first time i found out about it.

>Try Battlespire
>The gameplay is actually a bit of a improvement over Daggerfall combatwise
>This happens
Oh
>>2642397
It's really interesting, but gameplay-wise it's... a game of it's time. Tank controls, having to stand in a precise location to trigger things, shit like that.

So is the GOG version of Redguard fully compatible with Windows 7, and ready to go?

>>2641429
Screaming /v/ doesn't make you not a shill. Fuck off we already got Youtubers and retron threads out the ass here.

>>2642221
>Baselessly

>>2641157
>paying for Doom
There wasn't anything wrong with this when id Software were a thing. Now the objectionable thing is giving money to Bethesda, in which case why single out Doom from this list?

Why do YOU think buying Doom is a bad thing?

>>2642686

Haha, I've always thought download sellers were scammers but not that much

>>2642176
>Isn't Redguard supposed to be super tough to get working?
It was. But the GOG version comes prepackaged with DOSBox and nGlide already set up. Until now I've been using a virtual machine to play my copy because it ran like shit when I tried to set up my own DOSBox configuration with dgVoodoo a few years ago, but I just tested the GOG copy and it ran very well, with video and audio working smoothly.

Don't forget to the "DOSBOX" subfolder and run nglide_config.exe to increase the resolution. I recommend checking "keep aspect ratio" as well. Redguard was the first Bethesda game to support hardware accelerated 3D graphics, so you can render it as high as you like and even apply the typical enhancements (AA, AF, etc.) through your graphics card drivers by targeting dosbox.exe in the root of the installation folder to get it looking like pic related. If you prefer the jaggy charm of the original resolution or have a CPU as old as this game then you can just run it as is - I experienced no issues on Windows 7 64-bit. Can't speak to how well it would work on any other setups, but these results are promising.

>>2642759
>I recommend checking "keep aspect ratio" as well.
Small correction: I meant to select 4:3 aspect ratio in the nGlide config instead of the default "Fit to screen" option. If you've selected a non-4:3 resolution and use Fit to screen, it will simply stretch (distort) the 4:3 image to fit rather than rendering fully at that resolution. Some people prefer this to the black bars, but those people are retards. The advanced settings tab in the GOG graphics options, where you'll find the "keep aspect ratio" checkbox, have no effect on the game's rendering: only the nGlide settings are relevant.

>>2641918
That's the maximum resolution the game allows without modding. Menus aren't built for it, so you get this black border around the screen, but in-game takes up all that space.

>>2642686
>implying that proves anything at all

>>2641281
Worth noting that gog's dosbox setup for Doom is vastly superior to Steam's, and easier to configure. Also interestingly includes the once rare id anthology versions of the final doom iwads.

>>2642821
Huh? What doesn't it prove? It's right there in the screenshot.

>>2642686
>They use cracks done by someone else
So? Those games can have obscure shit that breaks under the smallest presure, sticking to solutions that are proven to work isn't bad.
Besides, you have yet to make an argument for the included goodies like released-with-the-disk material and design sketches, which can be sexy as fuck.

>>2641153
Arena and Daggerfall have been free for like a decade now? Are you 10 years old literally?
>>> /v/

>>2641670
I preferred the fanmade stuff and spinoffs anyhow.

>>2641661
>Close
Use the race mod to make a Roboto-san. Then kill everything with kicks. Robot's charisma is shit though, so you won't be able to recruit high-tier squad members. For a less cheesecake race, play as a supermutant.

>>2642154
>13 dorrars
How Vladimir Putin? Good?

>>2642759
Glide is shit in dosbox though. And the worst-corean version of Dosbox already has that feature.

>>2641129
oh look, it's GoG viral marketing again, been a while guys, how you doing?

>>2641129
Morrowind isn't retro.

That being said, I already own Morrowind, Doom, Doom 2, Quake on CD-ROM, and the Fallout series on GOG digital. I'd like to have the Arena and Daggerfall games in my GOG digital library, but I can't pull the trigger on buying something I already own.

Does anyone know if you get the copies of Arena and Daggerfall if you buy one of the games as a gift? If this is true, then I'd be willing to hook a fellow poster on /vr/ up, but only if I were to get the Arena and Daggerfall added to my GOG digital library.

Thanks for considering my request.

>>2641148
>>2643346
this is what GoG does, they buy up shit, even stuff that was previously free, and then offer them at a discount of free for a limitied time to draw attention to the fact that they used to be free or less than they are going to sell them after the promotion from the company and then people on boards like this praise them. It's sickening really

>>2643378
>Morrowind isn't retro.
Whatever you say, jannie.

>>2643385
Morrowind was released in 2002 and so is not considered retro on /vr/.

>>2641148
>>2643346
this is what GoG does, they buy up shit, even stuff that was previously free, and then offer them at a discount or free for a limited time to draw attention away from the fact that they used to be free or less than they are going to sell them after the promotion from the company and then people on boards like this praise them. It's sickening really

>>2643387
arena and daggerfall are still free

>>2643383
Previously a lot of the games on GOG are in copyright hell. Not exactly freeware but harmless to pirate for anyone.

You can't really blame the slavic shits, when some shitjew dev or publisher decides to sell their rights to the slavs. Jews gotta jew, sanchez.

>>2643387
No. All the previously actually free games are still free on GOG. For example, Tyrian 2000, several ultima games, beneath a steel sky, flight of the amazon queen etc.

If you are talking about "Abandonware", you should know there is no such thing, legally speaking. The "abandoned" games were never actually free, you were just getting illegal copies of them.

>>2643391
>Buy 1 get 1 FREE. Except it was already FREE.

Paying a fraction of a dollar for FREE is still jew as fuck.

>>2643395
You aren't paying for Arena/Daggerfall you are paying for the other game you are buying.

Might as well be bitching about how the game isn't free because you have to pay for electricity to run your pc.

>>2643391
no they are not, they are part of the elder scrolls bundle, which is "at a discount" of $21.37 right now, how generous of them to give us this wonderful discount.

>>2643404
>>2643395
hey idiots, you can still download them for free from elderscrolls.com

go do that and fuck on off back to /v/

>>2643404
No. They aren't part of a bundle. You get them free if you buy ANY bethesda game, individually or in a bundle. That means any of dooms, fallouts, quake, or elder scrolls series.

>>2642693
Wasn't referring to ebil Bethe$da, just source ports. Not much sense "paying for convenience" when the free alternative is more convenient anyway, unless you're too squeamish to hunt down the iwads.

>>2643412
with the cheapest of those games at $6 I would hardly call that a deal.

>>2643409
this is true but it probably want be that way for long

>>2643416
won't*

>>2643414
If you want to be a thief and steal the games, that's your prerogative. I prefer to follow the law, but hey that's just me. Being a good law-abiding citizen is worth a lot more to me than saving $6 on a game.

>>2643416
>at $6
A snack costs two times that where I live, and a small soda bottle three times that.

>>2643430
where do you live? $6 doesn't buy much where I am from anymore but you can at least get a fast food 'meal'

>>2643423
>>2643430

you can get the games free from bethesda's website and source ports, as people have been saying over and over in this very thread, no pirating involved.

>>2641365
Already mentioned a couple posts above yours, but the "new" Fallouts are the Steam release, so they have an HD patch and easier multilingual support. FO2 at least has Sfall installed.

The "classic" originals are the only ones that have (albeit outdated) Mac support and more extra downloads for some reason. On top of that if you already own them, it's not worth buying the new one because Fallout Fixt/Unofficial Fallout 2 patch do everything they have plus bug/text fixes and the like.

I'm sure Bethesda did that because they didn't want to jump into something that was given away for free last minute, but the important thing is that they exist on the site again.

>>2643430
>A snack costs two times that where I live, and a small soda bottle three times that.
do you live in the center of LA or something? You can still get a small bag of chips or a soda for $1.50 or less here. If you are from like Australia or something, we are talking US $ here.

>>2643439
Show me where you can get a free legal copy of doom 1 and 2.

>>2643439
Yes, I get that, but he was talking as if 6 bucks where the stuff of dreams or something. At least where I live, that much is what you give a kid to buy some candy.
>>2643443
Argentina, but doom also costs 6 pesos here, a snack costs 10 and a soda bottle 20.
Take into account that a dolar is around 20 pesos atm, it costs like 25 cents of dolar for me.

>>2643452
huh, a bit odd and unfair that they would convert $6 to 6 pesos, since that is much less than 6 US dollars. They probably just don't care because most of their business is in the US are UK.

>>2643457
He's lying. GOG uses fair pricing, not regional pricing.

>>2643457
Normally they convert the price if it's over 10 bucks or something like that afaik.

>>2643463
Some games do regional, some don't. GOG gives you a gift card for the difference if it's regional and you're at a disadvantage.

>>2643470
that is the most retarded thing I have ever heard of

>>2643463

>>2643482
Ok it's $6 just like I said.

>>2643473
It was an apology because they had introduced regional and everyone went apeshit.

Good thing is only a handful actually use that price model, and all of Bethesda of course are on the list.

>>2643375
You realize just because you're a pirate doesn't mean that EVERYONE here is, right? Some of us appreciate the heads up when retro games go on sale somewhere because we like having an official and paid for copy. It doesn't bother me that you pirate, why are you so assblasted when people buy the game?

>>2643423
Still have my copies of Ultimate and Final Doom but I suppose you're free to continue being a faggot. You can spend spend your allowance however you like, but I'd advise anyone who wants to play Doom to use a source port.

>>2643506
Honestly if you can't spend six bucks then you are the one on allowance.
Not saying that anyone should buy Doom at this point because it's been pirated so much that not even Steam gives a fuck and the original iD crew didn't give so much of one at any moment, but still dude. Six bucks?

>>2643510
Did you just now figure out the only person that would not only put the effort into stealling a game that costs pocket change, but throw a tantrum when someone else wont, is a kid?
Welcome to summer.

>>2643510
>>2643598
>only a cheapskate summerfag would hesitate to pay $6 for a game he already has a much better version of
Really I'm only trying to help

>>2641157

I did because fuck the police

and because I never actually owned it even though I played the fuck out of it years ago and wanted a sense of ownership, now it's mine forever

>>2643423
>he thinks copyright infringement is theft
>he hates copyright infringement because a corporation told him to

It's 2015, how are we still having this argument?

>Have adblock installed
>This thread is still here

>>2643798

I saw this post and instantly bought doom just to spite you :^)

>>2643793
It is theft, what it isn't is larceny.

>2015
>people still not knowing the difference

>>2643430
>18$ soda

Is that in pesos?

>>2643870
No, it's copyright infringement.

"Theft" and "Piracy" are just loaded terms corporations use to guilt-trip people into THINKING they're doing something wrong. It's the same as anti-abortionists who use the word "murder" to describe abortion.

>>2643947
You do realise most of /v/ are far-right /pol/ tarts who are pro-lifer WHITE catholics, right? RIGHT!

>>2643960
lel I can't get over the retards who felt for the /pol/ack conservative bait

>>2643409
>>2643404
>>2643416
>>2643418
>using smallcase unironically
>>>leddit.ubersite.facebook.tumblr.com/

>>2643965
But you've just used it yourself...

>>2643416
>>2643409
>I do not read the thread
It was already determined that the GOG copy and the one you find for free are two different cases.

Then again you can find the CD version on any abandonware site most likely, so that isn't a huge issue.

This is probably a retard question but what's the difference between Doom and Ultimate Doom? Just more content?

>>2644018
/vr/oom knows more than me but:
>It has the Thy Flesh Consumed episode
>It's patched to 1.9

>>2643441
Checked the "classic" versions that GOG used to giveaway, that were published by Interplay. It's separate from the "new" versions. I can still download all the extra "goodies".

I'm sure there's a torrent for that version with all the stuff, or you can just find them one by one on fansites. I uploaded most of the artwork on /wg/ months ago. One of the PDFs is interesting if you like /tg/.

>>2644018
>>2644018

Ultimate DOOM just includes an extra episode. No biggie. Might as well play fan conversions and WADs.

>>2643960
/v/ is pretty leftist, at least by /pol/ standards.

>>2643965
It's called quoting.

>>2644036
You meant Nationalist Socialist.

>>2643825

>Somebody complains about about advertising

>deflect the debate into an pro/anti-piracy shitstorm

OY VEEYYY

>>2643947
Copyright infringement is a form of theft. Taking something that doesn't belong to you is theft. Now, what you take and the manner in which its taken is what determines the type of theft. In this case, creating unlicensed copies without compensating the IP holder is infringement. That doesn't make it any less theft.

>>2644064
*sigh*

>>2644069
You are thinking of larceny. Piracy is not larceny, but it is theft of intellectual property.

>>2643793
Because the guy you're talking to is either a retard or a jew.

>>2644064
>>2644069
It's cloning. We're genetic science officer terrorist freedom fighter! Just like Cloud Atlas!

>>2644072
Why not both?

>>2644069
Piracy is theft, retard. Taking a physical object is larceny.

>b-but i have this jpg

It's wrong.

I don't know why pirates feel this overwhelming need to morally rationalize their stealing. Hell, I pirate a shitton of stuff too, but I recognize that it's still stealing.

>>2644036

Most of 4chan never had any particular left/right leaning. You could say it's always been anti-authoritarian, but back in the day it was closer to just a nihilist outlook. The kinds of things everyone says LOL EDGY FAGGOT about now, are the sorts of things that were common around the time this started up- Nobody gave a single two fucks about piracy or racism or drugs or anything like that, because this was fucking 4chan. What the hell were you even doing here if you were some kind of normalfag who actually cared about people doing any of those things? We have come a long way that is for certain.

It's been so long since I cared about any of this shit, but I actually can't remember now if the Occupy bullshit started from a genuine 4chan type "raid" like in the old days or not. Either way, that right there is the only reason /pol/ is so retarded nowadays, the whole ultra-rightwing thing is just a desperate hipster ironic attempt to distance themselves from the Tumblrinas and Redditors who infested Occupy.

>>2644057

now I bought the elder scrolls bundle :^)

I already own doom on floppy, CD, Steam, and I just bought it on GOG.

And guess what, you can't stop me :^)

>>2644089

>Nobody gave a single two fucks about piracy or racism or drugs or anything like that, because this was fucking 4chan.

Man true dat.

Except cats. Cats were sacred. There was that one time /b/ got the guy arrested for animal abuse or some shit.

Jesus christ I just realised that fucking cat memes and all that stuff started on this site. And now it's mainstream culture. I think I'm gonna just an hero.

>>2644089
makes sense
something awful became full SJW as well and the channers wanted to distance themselves from there

>>2644071
>>2644081
OK, so maybe theft isn't the technical term, but you know what it meant.

There is literally nothing wrong with downloading old as fuck games. I have to assume these dudes are trolls, do you avoid playing every single game that isn't commercially available since companies think you're a bad boy, and patiently wait for a possible shitty digital release or remake?
Anyone who pretends to posses moral highground on piracy is hilarious.

>>2644131
No, theft is the term. The type of theft is copyright infringement. Your picture is trying to imply that no theft took place because it wasn't larceny, and that's incorrect.

>>2644131
I know what it meant. It's propaganda made by criminals to make it seem like they're not really breaking the law. But it's just a lie, what more could you expect from a petty thief after all?

>>2644086
this,

i pirate because i want something and don't want to pay, and i certainly don't make it out to be some kind of moral/political statement

>>2644138
No, but pirating it when there is a commercially available copy is theft. 90% of the pirates out there are fine with acknowledging that fact and don't give a fuck. It's that last 10% who try and morally justify stealing it by pretending it isn't stealing that pisses everyone else off.

No one gives a fuck if you steal it, just don't be a faggot and pretend that's not what you're doing.

>>2644086
i don't even see why the word matters. it's either illegal or it isn't, you either think it's wrong or it's ok, and whatever you've decided from that either bothers you or it doesn't. semantics doesn't change anything, so it's irrelevant if etymological and legal meanings don't align.

but yeah, you hit the nail on the head with it being rationalizing.

>>2644138
>There is literally nothing wrong with downloading old as fuck games.

You mean besides the fact that it's illegal?

>do you avoid playing every single game that isn't commercially available since companies think you're a bad boy, and patiently wait for a possible shitty digital release or remake?

I still have my original copies from when I bought them back in the day. Plus there's always the secondhand market.

In the worst case it's not going to kill you to not play some obscure out-of-print game. There exist more games than you could ever play in a whole lifetime, if you can't get a legal copy of the game you want, just buy a different game and play it instead. Stop being so entitled.

>>2644141
not an obnoxious piratefag but software piracy is a victimless crime

>>2644152
Except for the people that spent money on purchasing the IP getting fucked by people stealing the game.

>>2644164
>#SlavLivesMatter

This faggot.

>>2644174
>it's not stealing if i don't want to pay for it

Gypsy pls

>>2644145

I feel bad when I download a new game that actually brings profit to the developer. It's a bit fucked up that people can get games from piratebay before they're even released sometimes.
I gave up pirating that kind of shit since I have enough of a backlog anyway.

But downloading something that was released on a console several generations ago or ancient computers that need to be emulated? Yeah sorry that's not stealing. Companies wouldn't have you reselling things if they could have it their way, I couldn't give two fucks about their neverending disney copyright.

>>2644174
take it to either /v/ or /pol/ faggot

>>2644150

>playing obscure games that are impossible to obtain is being entitled
>you should only experience it if the publisher wants you to, video games are only a product thatt they can freely ban

What a life you must lead with your pathetic corporate worldview.

>>2644186
Generally speaking, I feel bad if I pirate any game. I mean, not bad enough that I won't pirate something I want to play and for whatever reason can't buy a copy, but still. I'd rather own "official" copies of a game whenever possible.

>>2644213
>resorting to strawmen

Not even the guy you're responding to, but honestly, it's not like every game you've pirated was 100% impossible to acquire except through stealing.

>>2644223

It's not about me pirating games, it's about his disgusting position on works of art that should be preserved and available to experience. He's so deep down the legal bullshit hole he doesn't even see it. Presumably he is also against fantranslations of games, anime fansubs, romhacks and many more wonderful things that people have made available through the Internet and put hard work into. All because the publisher would be butthurt over his precious copyright.
Of course people will respond if you denigrate it to thievery since you're a dumb retard.

>>2644256
Video games aren't art.

>>2644256
But it is thievery. People putting hard work into something doesn't make it more or less honest. I'm curious why calling it what it is seems to be so offensive to you?

>>2644256
You mean the fansubs that have killed the market for professional anime translations? The anime companies don't bother making their own English subs because they know the entire market for it will just translate their own pirated versions of it. So now instead of having a proper localization, we get a substandard literal "translation" (* TL Note: Kawaii means cute) by some autist.

>>2644268

Most popular mediums aren't art in the academic sense of the word, that doesn't mean shit, they have worth. They're complex mediums of expression, whatever. Is a derivative monthly comic book artistic but not a game? Yeah right.

>>2644286
So it's OK to steal comic books then?

>>2644291
I think that was the exact opposite of the point.

>>2644284

Good. The audience has demonstrated that they don't need their "professional" hack localizations and can do just fine themselves, and mostly have a more faithful experience in the end. Only a jew shill would think this is a bad thing.

Monetizing something is about providing a better service than the person would receive for free. Clearly the service isn't necessary if dedicated groups do it all the time. Vidya pirates thrive for the same reason. If you just package your game and slap it on a website, usually with some terrible DRM and client-dependency you're not providing a good service.
The whole system of how games are distributed needs to be heavily rethought, and no shaming is going to stop pirating since it provides a functionally identical or better service.

>>2644268
I would agree that video games aren't art, but only because when something gets called art it might turn to shit. I.E. depression quest.

I still think all games should be preserved for all to play because every game tells a story or provides hours of entertainment.
I mean, how disappointed would you be if your favorite game no longer existed for your grandchildren to play.

>>2644286
>Most popular mediums aren't art in the academic sense of the word
What the fuck does that even mean? Art is literally just anything that takes creativity. It doesn't matter whether it's shit or ont. I'm sick of you stupid fucking retards that assign arbitrary connotations to the word.

>>2644356
>I would agree that video games aren't art, but only because when something gets called art it might turn to shit
That's the dumbest, most arbitrary reason for ignoring the literal meaning of a word I've ever heard. Maybe we should also stop caling games "games" because some of them are shit.

>>2643212
Does it even include setup.exe this time?

>>2644365

Dude, you literally just assigned your own subjective view on it.
As nobody can agree what art is, I tend to feel the only way is to go by what is academically studied and accepted as art. Video games aren't in this category yet. It's simple.

>>2644138
I always pirated everything. on PC. Been like that since the end of Commodore. Just didn't have the heart to shell out money for a platform I never liked. Hell I don't even buy my PC hardware new. It's all the same old shit, 40 years of backwards compatibility crap with more megahurtz and ram so this year's extra bloated crapware can run somewhat ok. Fuck that, they should be paying me to use this crap.

>>2641403
>>2643798
No really, I agree that these are /v/. And the devolution into "games are art" proved it.

/vr/ and GOG have been around since the start, and it was only recently that the opposition even started.

>>2644138
That said, I agree with this. Nobody's going to give a fuck if I purchase an old game or not. I'm probably still going to buy Quake though.

>>2644069
>Invader Zim

>>2644223
>I'm an ignorant fool who is clueless about old software
Thanks for taking up space on my screen champ.

>>2644268
>>2644356
Cool opinion bros. Fortunately everyone who makes the rules disagrees with you. Art is about creativity, which clearly includes games.

>>2644571
>Art
>Rules

I agree with you, and even I think you're being an idiot.

>>2644284
>You mean the fansubs that have killed the market for professional anime translations?
What market?

Fansubbing exists because up until about 2000, very few companies were interested in translating anime for the English-speaking market. And most of the anime we got was dubbed, not subbed (if you're old enough to know what a VHS tape is, you might recall that they only had one audio track).

Do you have any idea what it was like to be an anime fan in the 80's and 90's? Try watching something like English dubbed Windaria and tell me that shit's acceptable.

Just started playing Battlespire...R8 my build? First time through.

Picked a sword, cure health and dispell magic, increased magery x3, regerate SP,

>>2644685
>not /vr/
But I'm daijeobu with "Robotech" amurika dubs. Don't remember clearly about other dubs, 'cause I mostly watch chinked dubs. The more recent wallmart's Prisma Illya was actually pretty gud compared to 80's-90's dubs, which all sound like they were done by 2 people playing all the characters.

>>2644727
Just play it like an FPS and avoid getting surrounded and you're good to go.

>>2644571
video games are art but the idea that art has "rules" is retarded. are you one of those people that wouldn't consider games art until the museum of modern art told them it was ok?

>>2641148
>>2643346
>>2643387
If you actually looked into it, the version up on GOG is the CD one already setup and prepackaged with DOSBox. While the one at Bethesda's site (or wherever it is) is the floppy version and needs to be set up before playing.

>>2644840
>If you actually looked into it,

>>2644840
>Paying to have someone else set up an emulator
Nigger, you could just set up the fucking emulator and do it for free.

>>2646068
But you aren't paying for Daggerfall, Daggerfall is free with your purchase o f a different game.

>>2644727
>That font
Not as bad as Ultima 7, but they're trying.

>>2646081
>>2646068
Like IE on Microsoft failows is FREE.

>>2643393
>The "abandoned" games were never actually free, you were just getting illegal copies of them.
Who cares?

It's not your intellectual property, why are you white-knighting for corporations?

If Bethesda (or any other company I've downloaded games of) wants to take me to civil claims court, that's their right. But they haven't, which means I get to assume they're cool with it. That's how civil law works.

>>2648793
Not pressing charges or taking someone to court doesn't mean you're "cool" with it. It can also mean that it's not worth the effort to pursue it.

Same way it's not worth the effort to pick up the dead bird I saw on the motorway this morning. I'm not okay with dead animals lying about but it's not worth my time or effort to toss it wherever.

>>2648812
>Not pressing charges or taking someone to court doesn't mean you're "cool" with it.

Actually, it pretty much does. Civil claims basically boil down the a principle of "put up or shut up."

If someone violates your civil rights, you can either file charges, or not file charges. But you don't get to idly complain about it. That's called slander/libel.

>>2646132
Windows is free without a key.
Also, you're trying way too hard.
>failows
really? That doesn't even rhyme with windows.

>>2643767
Some points for you to ponder:

You don't legally own anything, the ZeniMax group does.

The feelings that you should buy this game now (many years later) wasn't something that came from you, but something from many decades of mass corporate brainwashing. If it really was a genuine feeling, you would have bought the game long ago before playing it (or maybe after playtesting it and being assured it was worth the money). Then your money might have actually gone to the creators instead of basically a corporate sinkhole.

You should have spent the money instead to buy a physical copy on ebay, that way at least you'd have a nice box (with cool artwork), a colorful game manual, and some floppies to show your kids or whatever. Also, no money to useless corporate sinkhole that way.

>>2648857
That is not even close to slander or libel. Complaining has nothing to do with either. Damage caused and being untrue are pretty much the beginning and end of slander and libel.

Or you live in an oppressive 3rd world dung pile. I suppose that might be true there.

>>2648857
>But you don't get to idly complain about it. That's called slander/libel.


Stupidest thing I've read all week.

>Doom
>Bethesda game
This still makes me angry. I might consider picking up quake though. Played it when I was a kid but it was one of those games I just never went back to.

Also are Redguard and Battlespire any good? Are they full on RPGs?

>>2649486
use Darkplaces with the HD patch to play quake. Its pretty amazing.

Battlespire is a pretty cool dungeon crawler in the Daggerfall engine. Im having fun with it. Redguard was a shit game when I played it years ago, I might have just had poor taste then though.

>>2649353
>You don't legally own anything, the ZeniMax group does.

>Has the installer
>The installer has no DRM in any shape or form
>He can do anything he wants with the installer
Goddammit, feeling euphoric is all fine and well but the fact that you actually own the game is like GoG's entire point.

>>2649491
>Darkplaces with the HD patch
EEEEUUUUUUUUGGGHHHHHHH BAD BAD BAD
Use quakespasm, disable the texture filtering because it makes everything look muddy as hell (gl_filter nearest_neighbour or something like that iirc), and download the lit files to get colored lights, that and the music is all you need to enjoy the game.

>>2649536
why bad? It looks great

>>2649596
Could you post a link to the one you are talking about? The only HD pack I've seen was one of those that burn your eyes with bloom in a game about gloom.

>>2649604
cant quite remember which one it was, it was a couple years back.

might have been rygels?

>>2649604
Darkplaces is a bit of a shit to set up, but textures shouldnt affect bloom.. That'll be settings in engine.

>>2649613
Ah, you mean only textures? then I'll leave it at opinions, even if I still prefer the original textures better.

>>2649617
yeah, I confess in the couple of years since I played it I've gained more affection for original textures in early 3d games. I just recall it was quite taxing on my (shitty) system and looked very new and atmospheric.

>>2649373
> Damage caused and being untrue are pretty much the beginning and end of slander and libel.
Not entirely true. If the plaintiff is a professional such as a doctor, lawyer, or professor, they don't have to prove damages.

Please don't talk about law if you don't actually know law. Believe it or not, your ignorant misinformation is pretty harmful!

>>2649373
>Oppressive with a capital 'O' 3rd world dung pile.
Jokes on you. I am singapoor.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/11/07/us-singapore-blogger-lawsuit-idUSKBN0IR0VV20141107

Go back to
>>> /reddit/

>>2644380
Yes.

>>2644145
>making a copy of something
>theft

If I make a cheeseburger at home am I stealing a cheeseburger from McDonalds?

Checkmate moralfags

>>2653584
No. Unless Apple buys out Mcdickles and decides to sue everyone who looks at them funny again.