/vr/ - Retro Games

woooooooooooooooooo

I found a Sony Trinitron KV-EX34 on someone's verge during council cleanup.

Ordered in some component cables for my Wii.

This is my first S-Video crt is, it's too bright with my 3rd party n64 s-video cable.

Will have to order an s-video cable for my Dreamcast since the tv doesn't have vga.

Apart from the EX series being (apparently) the worst of the Trinitrons is there anything I should know to get the most out of it? Will post 240p tests.

288p (I'm in australia, on wii composite)

288p

240p

>>2640873
pal N64 svideo need some additional components, often missing on 3rd party cables because they're made for NA. If you use small ones you can fit them in the plug

>>2640906
Thanks, fortunately i'm decent at soldering, I don't think the cable will be pretty though.

judging by the manual, it has a game mode, that's the first high-end crt I see that has one.
You got to try it.

>>2640918
I saw the game mode option

I have no idea what it does since its not like it has any input lag

>>2640921
try the drop shadow test in the 240p suite, see if you get flicker or blending.
also, try the manual lag test with and without game mode to see if there's any change

Dear vr/oss, next week I am getting a PVM-20N5E and I have been using a PVM-9 for some time.

I use the internal speaker but trying to get something better (and small) for the audio, do you think one of those Bose SoundLink Mini II is good ? I see they have audio input with jack 3,5"

If not, any other option ?

I also saw the mass in the manual
>84 Kg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqu6gelq0II

>>2640925
I get flicker on drop shadow regardless
Manual lag test is 0 frames regardless

>>2640930
I had to get a trolley and wheel it home, also had to get someone to help me lift it to where it is now

>>2640935
I see, well the last thing to test would be light gun stuff

>>2640938
do i need a lightgun?

I'll also turn up to this thread in a week when my component cables come in the mail

>>2640947
yeah, nes zapper needs zero lag and no processing for example.

>>2640929
If you're playing retro games on retro hardware with a CRT, why not have a decent retro sound system too?

I have two sets of pic related (Altec Lansing circa 1997) that I still use for everything. The thought of someone running a CRT video monitor and a hyperbranded Bluetooth Bose speaker designed for the iPad generation just doesn't sit right with me for some reason.

>>2640367
You're making me jealous, man!

I have to think it can't be that hard to make a VGA adapter for DC by hand. My understanding is that you pull a couple pins on the AV port to ground, and then you get RGBHV on some more pins. I would think you could just wire those to the right pins on a DE-15 and plug it right into any VGA monitor. But if that's the case, what's all the circuitry in those VGA adapter boxes for?

>>2641018
Following up, ohhhh, I see, you need some passive components to regulate the sync lines a bit, and some caps on the colors. OK. Still not too bad.

Just bought a trinitron. What are these screws in the back? Is it for adjusting the picture? I would think so, there's no options in the menu.

>>2641037

>being this young that you don't know what screws on the back of tv are for.

you can screw the feet from this thing here (as well as an antenna back when those had a purpose) onto those...

>>2641037
securing the sockets to the plastic.
you need to access service menu for image adjustments

>>2641037
>The TV was so well-designed that screws, a tool man has used to fasten objects for decades now are now magically used to adjust a picture on a television.

>The user must adjust the picture by going to the back and adjusting said fasteners.

Welcome to the stone age.

>>2641042
Oh, I know what those are, I just didnt think they were for those forks, since they're kinda in an odd spot.

>>2641042
I know what those are, of course. I'm not that young. These screws aren't for an antenna. The 300 ohm wires would be next to the coax jack, which is present, and would have metal backplates.

>>2641046
>Service menu

Alright thanks. I was getting a little worried. I would be really surprised if it didnt have image adjustments.

>>2641018
Don't be too jealous, I believe there is something faulty with the Tomee VGA cable I have. The video artifacts that I thought were being caused by my Megaview also show up this Sony, which doesn't have said problems when fed from a PC source. Sadly, I have no way of throwing the lines high to solve it with this monitor.
One of the things is shadowing/reflections off of stuff like the Start prompt. I'll end up internalizing a VGA mod at some point, but this is decent for now.

>>2641037
>dat S-Video cable
Holy shit it's so thin.
Do you even get a quality picture with it?

>>2641062
It's just something cheap as hell I bought a while back. I plan on getting better stuff later, dont worry.

>>2641062
Whats a good place that does good PS2, Genesis, SNES, Gamecube, ect cables anyway? I know retrogamecables, but they only have scart stuff. I'm looking for S-video

>>2641071
official or diy or modding 3rd party. see op of svideo pasta

>>2641062
ur cable has to look like my dildo cuz da thickness of da cable determines da quality of da electro-databeans sent thru the wire

>>2641073
Fucking coconut audio jesus fuck

http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/vgm/5191029547.html

i was looking for a cheap wiiu in seattle when i found this. Seems pretty cool

>>2641364
Test deck is pretty cool. Sucks it doesn't have its original monitor though.

Would be an amazing candidate for NES RGB modding.

>1200
A bit steep, I may pick one up if I can get it for like 600-800 that. Same with the Sharp NESTV, but I haven't price checked that in awhile

Got my SLG Scart earlier today. Shit got nothing on my Trinitron but I'm still pretty happy with it.

>PVM-20L5 on craigslist for $75
>Already have a nice monitor
>Don't even really have anywhere to put another

My Mega Drive on a PVM that I have sitting on my desk.

>>2641750
holy fuck anon where do you live

>>2641037
The are to hold the inputs in place so they dont recess into the tv and break when you plug something in.

Any tips about how to find RGB monitors on Craigslist? Searching for "PVM" works well enough, but I feel like by doing that (or BVM) I am missing out on all other non-Somy brands. "RGB Monitor" as a generic search term only finds me game resellers who specifically mention retro gaming in their ads and charge commensurate prices.

>>2641809
Some more MD screenshots from the same monitor.

>>2641915
Search for other brands? NEC, JVC, Ikegami, Panasonic... Olympus... and i can't think of any other brands.

Also try "Broadcast Monitor", or "Medical Monitor" with and without "CRT" attached.

>>2641995

>>2641998

>>2642002

>>2640912
You can also just add the components inside the N64 itself.

>>2641073
In a clean environment you're fine. If you have a nest of vipers a little shielding goes a long way. But up to you.

>>2642009
Peachy. Which model PVM?

>>2641816
NYC

>>2642081

Yeah i did some google fu, if I weren't in cali i'd pick it up and probably still keep my 20 and 14 inch PVMs

>>2642051
It was a PVM-8044Q. It's not very big, but if you want something to sit on your desk then it's pretty great.

>>2641809
Sexy as fuck. Do you have any mods on the megadrive or is that how it looks standard?

>>2642192
You're preaching to the choir - I have two 9045QM's (among other, larger units). I actually use PS3 on them exclusively :)

What line count is the 8044, btw? Any info online you can link to?

>>2642212
Not him, but the MD puts out RGB out of the box

>>2642227
The 8044 is a nice 450 lines which is perfectly fine for a monitor of its size.

Here's where I got my information from:
http://www.broadcaststore.com/store/model_detail.cfm?id=12596

>>2641750
I'd probably buy that up in an instant, not another thought put towards it.

Essentially my "holy grail" monitor, aside from perhaps a D24 under certain conditions.

>>2642280
>"holy grail"
Possibly the same, but i've never seen one in action. If the 15Khz is indistinguishable from a 20M4, then omfg yes.

>>2642260
What's the difference between the 8044Q and the 8045Q, i wonder? The latter is obviously the slightly newer model, but what's been changed?

>>2642407
The only difference I could really find between the two is the addition of two more buttons on the front. Other than that they seem pretty much identical.

hi /crt/

I'm having a geometry issue with my BVM, and looking for some guidance. The lower left corner of the screen is slightly raised, relative to everything else. Which adjustment(s) do i want to use to fix this? Rotating the whole screen would be better than nothing, if that can be done without moving the yoke.

>>2642398
It almost certainly is. The M4U has an 800-line tube, so the performance should be similar. If you like the look of a very sharp tube doing 15kHz, it should be fine.

I-i-i-it's not like my 14L5 is too small or anything.

>>2642459
>>2642398
>>2642280
for the love of God anon please get that monitor. I promise you the 800 line scanlines on 15Khz are to die for

and at $75 its freaking highway robbery

Would something like this give me the best quality out of my N64? Also, do they look like decent cables? I've had s-video cables for my N64 before and they've had heaps of crosstalk. I've heard that can be eliminated with good quality cables though

>>2642839
forgot link
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/NINTENDO-64-S-VIDEO-HIGH-QUALITY-FULLY-SHIELDED-GROUNDED-PAL-N64-SVIDEO-2M-NEW-/201401704911?hash=item2ee47a21cf

>>2642459
at least you have an L5

I-i-i-it's not like I wish my 14L4 could do hi-def or anything

Just snagged one of these. How well did I do?

Sony Trinitron KD-32DX150U

>>2643004
You did good. That shit right there is one of the best SD 16:9 monitors. Excellent picture quality and geometry.

Did you enjoy the workout? IIRC those 32" behemoths weight like 170lb+.

>>2643325
>SD
You sure about that? A look at its manual mentions DRC and 100hz support, making me think it might be an ED/HD model.

Is a PVM 2130QM worth it?

I could get one in good condition with speakers... planning to use it mainly for 5 and 6 gen. Are 420 TV lines enough?

>>2643325
Yeah, I gotta pick it up on Saturday, luckily I'll have people to help carry it.

Set me back a whole £20, I think I can live with that.

>>2643421
This good or bad?

>>2643821
>This good or bad?
There's nothing bad about it at all.

>>2643854
Afraid I'm just a bit of a newbie when it comes to CRTs, I was told to look out for Sony Trinitrons and S-Video and found that one.

>>2643821

If it's an ED/HD TV like Kya think it is then it's not exactly the best kind of stuff to get for older consoles, with the exception of the Dreamcast. If it's an SD TV like >>2643325 say it is, then there's absolutely no problem.

what model?

>>2643945
From what I've read up it does have things like DRC and 100Hz, there anything that will definitively tell me if it's an ED/HD TV?

>>2643421
Fuck sorry, guess I should've been more clear.

It's a 576i PAL CRT. (PAL SD = 576i)

>>2643864
Don't bother with S-video, that model has 2 RGB Scart sockets.

>>2641003
Altec Lansing speaker systems of the 90s were ace!
ACS48 and Altec Lansing 641 here.

>>2644235
Even better, I'm told RGB is the best quality you'll get.

Well maybe time to share some pics of me set.

>>2645149
Alright not sure why the pic is posting sideways but ok.

>>2643698
It's on the low-end for 20 inch monitors, but has some pros:
-built-in stereo speakers
-accepts RGB over Scart
-s-video too
-the cube form is very attractive, and relatively easy to carry around

the cons:
-low line count
-like the 2030 and 2530, geometry adjustments have to be made by taking off the case and fiddling with screws
-RGB signals by default are off-center, favoring the left side of the screen

If the cost is low (50€ or less) it'd be worth getting as an entry-level PVM. Should be fine for 5th and 6th gen, although 6th gen titles would be more ideal on a higher resolution monitor

>>2645149

Those are some of the cleanest medical looking monitors ive seen

I had a 14" m2mdu that had a cracked speaker grill, cracked bezel and loaded with scratches. I'm happy I have a 20L2 with a bkm 129x though

>>2643986
Doesn't seem to have any HD badging, and it lacks HD inputs like component, DVI, or HDMI, so it should be the PAL SD standard, 576i like >>2644235
says.

At the same time DRC was Sony magic for upscaling video signals to HD resolutions, and a 100hz refresh rate can support 1080i. The manual does not list any supported resolutions whatsoever

>>2643821
Post some pics of retro when you get it Saturday anon!

>>2645336

It seems to me that you are preparing a glorious exit.
I mean when you are old and dying in a hospital bed, wouldn't you like that the silly screen with the life line turned to Gradious...thus helping you pass in the great beyond with a game?

Model: filename

Systems: NES, SNES, Gamecube(w/GBPlayer) & PS2FATBOI

Question: What cables on what channels for what systems? 1x VHF/UHF, 2x Composite, 1x S-Video & 2x Component (+ 1x Composite on front)

nobully.pif

>>2643984

Look like a PVM-1370M monitor, with the exception of the front panel's buttons.
Must be an similar model.

>>2643984

Look like a PVM-1370QM monitor, with the exception of the front panel's buttons.
Must be an similar model.

>>2645419
with no modding, component for PeeEssToo and GeeSee (tho the component cable for GC is absurdly expensive and rare), S-video for SNES, composite for NES

>>2645425

Thankee sai

>>2645432
if you can't get a component cable for GC, get a Svideo for GC and you can also use it with SNES, supposedly the other way around (SNES cable on a GC) should not be attempted.

>>2645361
I'll try but I need to dig out my retro stuff

>>2645437
>supposedly the other way around (SNES cable on a GC) should not be attempted
all cables are compatible

except for pal GCN, as it doesn't support S-Video

>>2645781
from NoE support pages (now gone)

Stereo AV Cable and Scart Adapter
...
NOTES:
The Nintendo GameCube stereo AV cable is downwardly compatible with the Nintendo 64 and the Super Nintendo.
With the Nintendo GameCube, only the Nintendo GameCube stereo AV cable or other products licensed by Nintendo must be used.
Do not connect a stereo AV cable to the Nintendo GameCube that is intended for the Super Nintendo or the Nintendo 64.

Game has a white tint
The image problem occurs in all games:
Check whether the Nintendo GameCube was connected to the TV with a Super Nintendo or Nintendo 64 stereo A/V cable (can be seen from the dark grey multi-out plug) - the original Nintendo GameCube stereo A/V cable has a black multi-out plug).
Connect your Nintendo GameCube - if possible - to another TV to exclude a defect on the TV.
If possible, test the Nintendo GameCube with another original Nintendo GameCube stereo A/V cable (recognised by the black multi-out plug)....

Might only apply to PAL land, but you never know...

>>2645824
>NoE
>PAL

I've used my original SNES multiAV cable for my SNES, N64 and NGC since forever. No issues.

hey /vr/, this isn't strictly CRT but are there any good HDMI to Component converters? like ones that would give me better video quality than S-Video? I have my 360 hooked up to my CRT but unfortunately component doesn't work right.

I read something about 360 component being digital and incompatible. I wouldn't mind but the text becomes unreadable for newer games

>>2645949
huh, doesn't 360 supports vga with the right cable ?

>>2645992
it does, unfortunately my TV doesn't have a port for that

>>2646029
Apparently, it's a common oversight with developers, many didn't account for non HD res for text. Using an adapter won't solve anything because ultiamtely it'll be scaled down again
At what resolution are you playing ?

Do any of you use a dual monitor with a CRT VGA monitor? What software should I use to save me the headache of getting full-screen games on the other monitor?

>>2640367
Just bought a 32" trinitron, ask me anything

It was 11$

>>2646101
Specific model number?

>>2646107
Still in the car, holding it so it doesn't fall over

>>2646113
Make sure to post pics of it when it's damaged.

>>2646131
Not damage just need to fix tilt

What's THE BEST CRT that meets the following criteria:

>Support for both 4:3 and 16:9

>Support for RGB/BNC/SCART

>Support for both 50Hz PAL and 60Hz NTSC

>Support for consoles from the Third Generation (NES etc.) to the Sixth Generation (Gamecube etc.)

>>2646058

480i, though the game renders at 720p, and is actually meant to be played in 1080p so, obviously, some issues. It wouldn't even be that bad if I could get pure component or even better, 480p but, ugh

>>2646162
Tilt fixed

Ez pz

>>2646163
Why the fuck would you ever need Pal and ntsc?

Your best option is always just to have 2 TV's.

>>2646169
Because I am lazy and do not have the space for 2 TVs.

>>2646167
Nice one anon. Enjoy.

>>2646163
>>2646169
>>2646171
PVMs take all standards. NTSC, PAL, SECAM

for the most part.

>>2646174
Thanks m8 $10.85 tax included, worth it imho looks good

>>2645781
Cables for NTSC Nintendo consoles don't need any components for all available video lines except the RGB lines of the SNES needs capacitors in between.

Cables for the PAL systems need 75ohms to ground and then via the capacitor to the TV/Monitor and the exception here are the RGB lines of the GC which don't need the resistors.

By default (without modding): normal SNES outputs everything but not the mini/Jr., N64 outputs never RGB and no S-Video on some newer PAL revisions and GC outputs S-Video if NTSC or RGB if PAL but NOT both.

I'm the only one here who can perfectly memorize this?

>>2645838
Perhaps they meant 3rd party cables or official NTSC cables.

>>2646163
>>Support for both 4:3 and 16:9
TVs made before the late 90s could be modded to support 16:9, if it has trimmers for vertical size and pincushion (needed for larger sets) then these could be partly disconnected from the chassis and connected to a relay which switches between the original trimmers and new ones adjusted to 16:9.

>>Support for RGB/BNC/SCART
If you want both SCART and RGB via BNC on the same set then you're going to search forever.

>>Support for both 50Hz PAL and 60Hz NTSC
>>Support for consoles from the Third Generation (NES etc.) to the Sixth Generation (Gamecube etc.)
I recommend a European high-end Trinitron with full NTSC support made in the early 90s, just properly converge and adjust it and it will beat your neighbors HDTV with it's excellent black level, Super Scope/Lightgun support and reliability.

>>2641003

That's sexy, anon!

>>2646181
Do you know of any places I can buy a PVM in Europe?

>>2646221
>>If you want both SCART and RGB via BNC on the same set then you're going to search forever.

I meant RGB via either SCART or BNC.

>>I recommend a European high-end Trinitron with full NTSC support made in the early 90s, just properly converge and adjust it and it will beat your neighbors HDTV with it's excellent black level, Super Scope/Lightgun support and reliability.

Alright, I will see if I can find a Trinitron.

I am giving up trying to find a BVM D24E1WE with a low amount of hours used. Those that exist have been used extensively or so it seems. Sticking with my OLED TV and Framemeister for now.

>>2646254
>I meant RGB via either SCART or BNC.
I hope you realized how much "RGB/BNC/SCART" made sense to me.
You should have written "RGB via BNC or SCART".

>Alright, I will see if I can find a Trinitron.
Keep in mind that what I mentioned doesn't include 16:9 support but like I said it can be made possible with relays. I know it because of personal experience with this.

>>2646107
Alright model number is
KV-32FS12 and it is WEGA

also weighs 210lbs

Anyone here use a PC CRT monitor for watching movies and anime? From what I've heard, you can take advantage of the fact that they can output at 72Hz to get around 3:2 pulldown on 24FPS content. I have created a few modelines for this, but I still get stutter sometimes regardless. This is using MPC with MadVR and ReClock. Seems like the latter has some options that would work well for correctly syncing 24FPS content, but I don't know what I'm doing half the time.

Then again, I can't seem to figure out if content that states it's playing at 24 or 30 FPS is lying or not at times. Most of them state in the video properties that they run at 60Hz, but that is very obviously not the case.

>>2646282
fucking heavy ass bitch

>>2646284
Also, I would ask on /g/, but I know all I would get would be a bunch of implications, advice on installing gentoo, and general elitism on why my autistic ass is still using a CRT and not just dealing with the stutter on my LCD. I figured you guys might know best.

>>2646284
keep in mind 99% movies (included bluray) actually runs at 23.976 (3:2 pulldown applied on 59.94 ntsc frame rate).

>>2646289
now mod that genny to s-video

>>2646310
It's a nomad, but I want to mod my genny to svideo, but I use an AV splitter for my console

Can someone help me calibrate my newly acquired CRT monitor?

I've never done any sort of CRT calibration, and would really like to get the full potential out of this thing.

The factory default for it is 100% contrast, 30% brightness, and the colors seem kinda yellow compared to my LCD's that are sitting beside it, is that just because their screens are too blue?

Text seems a bit blurry as well, but I understand that's just the nature of the game on CRT monitors.

Pic related is the model,resolution and refreshrate I'm running. (1600x1200).

Also does anyone know if SuperBright mode muddles the colors? 9300K seems more normal to me than 6500K, even though I know that's probably the "correct" temperature.

>>2646301
Yeah, movies are a no-brainer. The issue is anime. Do those run at 24 or 30?

>>2646335
If your monitor's SuperBright mode is anything like mine, it shouldn't do anything to the colors. It's literally a boost in brightness, and the color temperature can be adjusted to be the same as the regular mode.

I only recommend using it if you're using scanlines on emulators, though. You don't want to wear the tube down by keeping it on all the time. As for calibration for stuff like brightness and contrast, look up some test patterns online. Anything further, such as getting correct gamma and such, you'll probably want to get professional calibration hardware.

>>2646340
anime (modern tv anime especially) is a can of worms.
Regular animation is 30 I think (well once again, 29.97 because of good ole ntsc), but CG stuff is usually 59.94. The solution for rippers is to use variable fps possible with wmv and mkv.

>>2646293
/g/ HATES crts. They won't imply that any previous technology is better in any way other than IBM thinkpads.

>>2646284
>Anyone here use a PC CRT monitor for watching movies and anime?
I use a 15KHz Trinitron via VGA-SCART, with MPC and ReClock.
>From what I've heard, you can take advantage of the fact that they can output at 72Hz to get around 3:2 pulldown on 24FPS content.
I rather prefer the PAL speedup method (speed up 24fps to 25fps for 50hz) for that content, it saves me time and ensures ultrasmooth playback.

You know, I had some tearing problems and fixed these by switching the audio decoder in ffdshow like for AAC I had tearing with libfaad2 but not with libavcodec. Also set the "target VSync" somewhere in the middle to reduce stutter.

>>2646293
/g/ is a quite "anti-retro" board, everything older than like 3 year is fully obsolete and useless or "depracted" to them and using that makes them think that you're unable to afford something (brand)new.
They're never going to "grow up".

>>2646301
Does not matter to ReClock users.
That program ensures that the video frames gets updated consistently along with the refresh rate of the screen and it slows or speeds up the audio to keep it in sync, for example 48khz audio gets played back at 50khz if the video is played back at a faster rate.
Before this, video players used play the video at the original frequency completely unsynced to the refresh rate of the screen which either caused tearing or stutter to some degree.

>>2646289
>Road Rash

Mah nigga.

>>2646356
I'm not going to be running any emulation on this monitor really other than dolphin, Just games like q3a, ut2k4, WCIII, cs, stuff like that. I'm just put off by the uncertainty that I may never know if it's actually calibrated how it should be, since I don't know anything about it. There's not anybody around to really get a good look at it in person.

>>2646363
>speed up 24fps to 25fps for 50hz
No. Fuck. This. Shit
Sped up sound fucking sucks.
Living in 50hz land I suffer each time I hear a song I know being sped up on a tv show or a movie.
As an example, listen to this, for some reason it seems they took 50hz version (sped up) for it :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aENX1Sf3fgQ

>>2646371
For example, a lot of games seem VERY dark. I usually have to resort to using super bright mode in Q3A so I can see the contours of walls that are shrouded in darkness.

>>2646379
I feel your pain, I reel every time I hear a song on the radio that I personally own, and can tell that it's been every so slightly sped up for whatever reason.

>>2646029
Does it have RGB?

>>2646387
another exemple, fr version of Highlander intro
https://youtu.be/CI_6EO844YY?t=18s

>>2646101
I had one of those 32" 200+ lb behemoths in an apartment I lived in a couple years ago. The landlord basically couldn't be bothered to throw it out because it was too heavy for anyone to carry down the stairs. We needed like 4 guys just to lift it onto a stand when we moved in. It was actually nice to have though. It was out only TV so we watched Netflix on it via a Wii, and I hooked my NES to it to enjoy some Duck Hunt (which is amazing on a large screen with a handful of drunk guys).

Speaking of which, why is To The Earth so fucking hard?

>>2646405
Wow, I thought I could read at a pretty good pace in french, but now I feel like a retard.

>>2646364
Love that shit man

Is the sony PVM-1380 shit tier? One is on sale in my area. $45. buy?

>>2646423
Road Rash II is better, but they didn't keep the "relation" thingie. I liked that Natasha said that she would wait for you, but if you hit her she would go angry faced with a "go away" text.

>>2646357
No, animation has never been 30 fps or 29.97 fps. For the most part at least. Both anime and most western cartoons are presented at 23.976 fps. Occasionally they are overlain with things like scrolling station text or credits that are 29.97 fps, so that's why anime encoders use variable frame rates. For what it's worth, mkv doesn't even have a frame rate, it just has timecodes for each frame and sample.

That's probably the origin of they problem that other guy is having with 72hz, by the way. A modern anime encode will drift from rate to rate depending on the IVTC and on how x264 identified duplicate frames.

>>2646426
looks like it's composite only. I wouldn't

>>2646426
Anybody?

>>2646445
I see. Thanks.

>>2646423
First game I ever played on the Mega Drive. Pretty much defined the console for me.

>>2646435
no way stuff like panning shots or scrolling backgrounds is/was 24. Half NTSC makes pulldown not need. Maybe now it's more prevalent because of generalized progressive display, but not old stuff. And I'm not talking about "cello" or drawn frames.

>>2646426
>>2646449

Like >>2646445 said, it's composite only. If it was sold for 10 bucks, I'd say it would have been a nice monitor for composite-only consoles,.but it's definitely not worth the 45 bucks the seller ask for.

>>2641037
Are you seriously asking what screws are for?

>>2646484
Not as obvious at it may seem to the younger generation

Hint: They're not for structural reasons

>>2646459
same actually, that's why I love the console

>>2641042
uhm no, those screws aren't for the antenna grandpa.

>>2646473
>>2646445
Same story with the Sony PVM-14N1U?

They're selling one of those as well.

>>2646468
Consider that "old stuff" was shot on actual film which was played back at standard 24fps projection rate.

I'm pretty confident that 24fps (later 23.976 with NTSC) is a longstanding tradition in animation. I've heard of some anime series from around the film-to-digital transition era that used 24fps hand drawn scenes and 29.97 half-NTSC digitally animated scenes mixed together (e.g. external shots of digitally rendered mechs), but those instances were not the rule.

If you think about it, it doesn't really make sense to have 30fps pans and 24fps animation, because you'd have to execute the pan AFTER a hard telecine.

>>2646486

The signs on the side of the scews show that they're neither antena nor convergence screws, but just screws used to secure the case

>>2646493

It does have Y/C on top of composite, but that's it, it's still not worth 45$. Got my PVM-1444QM for 50€, and it has RGB/component on top of 2 composite and 1 Y/C input

>>2641037
if not video game/antenna connectors. They are picture adjustment screws. usually a menu built into the tv but whatever.

Did I ever tell you young whipper snappers about the time I stripped a monitor down to the bones and was this close to being electrocuted
by 50,000,000,000 billion volts when I was about 8.

>>2646520
>They are picture adjustment screws.

Except they aren't, those little pictograms next to the screws tells you they're here to hold the case in place, nothing else.

>>2646532
More to the point they hold the board with the RCA jacks firm to the back of the case so that it doesn't fall off when you push cables into it.

>>2646550

You're right, it's more of a way to secure the interfaces, not really hold the case on the monitor.
But anyway, my point was that they weren't antenna nor adjustment screws, else they would have had additional informations, not just a little screw pictogram.

>>2646289
>the sudden realization that you can play lightgun games
i feel like a fucking child i'm so excited

>>2646620
Yep, my first thought was playing Time Crisis again on the PS1. It's not quite the arcade version but it's better than nothing.

>>2646363
ReClock only works for audio and not video, right?

>>2646379
It doesn't annoy me if the pitch is off about 4% but over 20% is something I do notice for sure.
I wouldn't notice it in the first place if the pitch was about 4% off until I hear the 'correct' pitch shortly afterwards and then I still simply don't comprehend it why people get so butthurt over this little difference, not everyone on the world is a trained musician that can tell the notes apart.
All what matters to me is that the animation and camera panning appears as smooth as possible and of course that the audio is in sync, if the pitch isn't more off than 10% then I'm not really gonna notice it at all.

>>2646620
You shouldn't take it for granted just because it's a CRT but in this case there doesn't seem to be any lag inducing processing inside aside from that VM in the picture settings menu, better set it to OFF.
Also if it doesn't work good then increase the contrast but it doesn't need to so bright that it strain your eyes, in that case something either wrong with the lightgun itself or the TV delays the signal.

>>2646638
No, it is selected as (DirectShow) audio output but it does of course affect the video because you can force it to play at a another framerate.

how's this for guily gear in 480p?

rate my crt, /vr/

I flipped my CRT to the side to play a vertical shmp and the colors changed. Like from orange to green. Is that normal an I should just adjust the picture for when I do that, or is there something wrong with my tv?

>>2648241
Degauss it after you turned it.

>>2648241

Did you flip it when it was on? That's something no one should ever do.

Anyway, just degauss it.

>>2647078
This is Dwight's TV, right? The image was obviously edited in.

How much should a GDM cost? Not talking fw900 since I can never see getting a good deal on that.

>>2648241
I did this in the last thread, listen to their advice.

I have a Sony GVM-1311Q and it used to work a long time ago. I tried to hook my NES up to it but only 3 blue 1 cm lines show up in the bottom right corner. Should I just throw it away?

I saw a Sony KV-27FV16 at my local salvation army, it's a trinitron, so it should be a good model so long as it's decent shape right?

>>2649451
I have a 32'' model from the same general line as that one and it's pretty nice.
So long as there aren't any glaring issues with it, it should be pretty good.
How much are they asking for it?

Was watching the early 90s movie Clifford (don't ask) and saw this monitor. Dude uses it for architecture stuff looks pretty high end with seperate RGB inputs. Can anyone shed some light on what it is exactly?

Recently picked up a SyncMaster 955DF for $15 from a kind old man who was replacing it with a flatscreen. It runs 640x480 at 160hz, making it ideal for playing some of my favourite games - like Quake 3 Arena.

Recorded with a relatively long exposure, in order to catch every frame. The picture clarity and lack of input lag is absolutely insane.

>>2650441

Syncmaster 955b owner here. Great choice! Even though the dotpitch isn't really adapted to high resolution uses above 1600*1200, it's a great monitor for lower res but high refresh rates. Mine can go up to 180Hz, so I think you should be able to do so too if you force it a bit.

>>2650449
Are you sure? The max rated vertical refresh is 160, and I don't want to put myself in danger if I mess with timings to get it higher. I don't know much about CRT's, admittedly!

>>2650449
Double post here, but I actually can't even get it to go any higher than 161 (which by itself causes the screen to start artifacting heavily!) before getting an 'Sync Out Of Range' error.

>>2650459
>>2650461

Hmm, well too bad, maybe the DF models can't go that high unlike the B models. Mine is rated 160Hz max too, but somehow i managed to force it to go a little higher.
But anyway, it's not that bad, 160Hz is still pretty cool too.

I want to do this with Nes, Snes, N64 and genesis but I have a feeling my 100 pound trinitron would destroy an ikea shelf. Just one part of the CRT struggle...

Ok guys, is there something about the 14" sized PVMs that make them get warmer faster or that they dont displace heat as well since they're smaller?

I had a 14m2mdu that always managed to get pretty warm rather quickly, and now I have a 14L5 that gets even warmer faster.

But my 20L2MD was used for 7 hours straight last night and it wasnt warm any side at all.

>>2651009

Well the enclosure being smaller might be one of the reasons.

>>2650957
>100lb trinitron
see >>2646289
trying to find a shelf that will hold 210lbs.
Don't know where the hell i'll find one.

>>2651103

A DIY one with real wooden planks and a non-retarded design would suffice I guess.

>>2651108
I was thinking about that. Not probably going to use wood, will probably use galvanized steel or something like that.

>>2651108
>>2651103
>>2650957

100lb trini? Is that a real estimate or some mock up?

a 20" pvm is like 70lbs and my 7 dollar ikea lacke table has held it fine and isnt under any serious stress I can see >>2645336

Granted its not like a dresser or other ikea stuff thats wider. I really need to figure out stress weight limits of ikea furniture. I'm fine with having a 14" pvm on my desk though

>>2651393
Ikea shelves are rated for like 60lbs usually. yours looks like a table so maybe it's rated for more but my 32" tv is going to destroy some of that ikea shit I literally just need to set it on a block of wood.

>>2641750
what show is this gif from again? I remember it being pretty hilarious and forgot wtf it is

>>2651520
curb your enthusiasm

>>2651507
You're right, i remembered half way through that you got a 32"

Yeah, imagine it'd be extremely difficult to make something with the slots for consoles as big as they are in that picture with decent support for it not to cave in

>>2651530
Yeah, That's why I'm going to set up side shelves and just build a big woodblock for it to sit on instead. Don't want my modded saturn to be destroy while playing some games

Okay, Nerds I got a problem with my PVM that's mildly irritating

>Brightness pot is wonky.

It's not a systemic problem since I can switch over to use presets and adjust the brightness rock solid... onliest thing is that I can't raise the volume on the user presets without a 20-pin parallel remote setup of some kind...

SO !! Should I:
>Try to figure out the remote protocol/find a remote
>Take it apart and spray some contact cleaner into the brightness pot
>Stop trying to listen to its shitty internal speaker and hook up some amps
>Something else I haven't thought of ?

It annoys me that the monitor doesn't have a switched audio out and I'd have to leach it off the loopthrough outs. This is going to end up with me hooking up my good stereo that's needed speaker wire ever since I moved like five years ago.

Newfag here, sorry for the stupid questions. I just bought a BVM-20F1U, and I want to connect this to my PC. The input appears to be 4 BNC cables (R,G,B, and sync), but most of the VGA to BNC cables I've seen are 5-cable BNC (with h-sync and v-sync separate, like on a FW900). Will this be a problem? Can I just use http://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=568 to connect my PC without any modification?

Of course, I would also like to connect consoles to the BVM - how can I connect Composite and S-Video to it? Is it worth looking for input cards?

Do I need the BKM-10R control unit?

Thanks.

>>2651925
I've been studying on using these things for my pc too, someone on shmups said they needed a Y adapter to fit the two sync channels into one bnc/ phono and put it in their 14L5 and it worked, but as i recall it used some lower weird resoultion even though it supported 45khz.

So go check shmups, i'm unaware of if you need the remote or not

>>2651925
Combining the syncs with a Y adapter will work fine for testing, but i'm not sure if it's the best idea for permanent use. Merging the two lines, then feeding through a ~680R resistor and a ~200uF cap is probably better.

The 20F1U is a 15kHz only set, i believe, so after the above methods you need your PC set up to output low resolutions, yes?

>>2651925
>2652097
>http://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=568
No idea what that cable is doing. It probably straight-up merges the syncs, but it doesn't say.

Sylvania, Memorex, Symphonic, Magnavox. What is the best of the worst?

>>2645149
Deathsmiles Xbox 360 faceplate

Nice.

>>2650367
Looks like some high end vga monitor. There are some on ebay like that from time to time. My nerdy ass checks "crt monitor" sorted by newest first regularly. Theres always a few that are similar. Big ass monitors with bnc's.

>>2652165
Magnavox is definitely the best of those four. I don't think the other three ever even manufactured anything, just rebranded shitty Chinese shit (which is also now what Magnetbox does)

>>2642445
Bamp

How good or bad are Daewoo CRT TVs?

>>2652275
I have/had a Memorex with an LG tube in it, so korean shit.

>>2652275
Thanks. I was in a habitat for humanity store today and saw all the names that I mentioned. The Magnavox was the only model that wasn't a flat screen. How important is the flat screen? There's a few trinitrons on Craigslist. I might jump on one of those.

>>2652469
Was it really that bad?

>>2652494
To be honest, I had it at a time where I really didn't know or care jack shit when it came to picture quality; I wasn't even using composite for most of my shit, rather RF switches chained together.

I remember it having a bit of discoloration in the one corner, but I'm pretty sure that was my own fault.
Ended up dying after not being used for something like 4 months. All that'd be probably be needed to fix it is a fuse, but the power cable has also seemed to have disappeared at some point, so it's not that likely to happen.

>>2651925
S-video can't be plugged in unless you have the right board (you don't) I think composite will plug into the top left bnc input on that pic make sure you put a terminator on the next bnc input below it

>>2652539
you should use RGB+sync to get the best picture btw.

>>2652539
also you will need a bnc adaptor on the end before you can plug the composite in

>>2652486
Flat screens are a gimmick and generally not worth it. Think about how a CRT works. Beams of electrons come shooting out of the neck towards the screen end of the tube. If the screen isn't curved, the beam is going to need to be significantly longer to hit the corners resulting in - yup, bad geometry.

PLUS think about the strength issue. A curved tube is like an egg shell, it can be strong while being relatively thin. A flat screen needs to be made of thicker glass so they're heavier. Deeper too for I guess one, the other or both of tjose reasons.

That being said, if any of them had Svideo or component inputs get that one, assuming it works.

>>2650297

less than 10 bux

>>2652810
They all had at least s-video. I believe the Memorex and one of the others had component.

trying to take a photo of a 50hz game with a phone is hell

>>2653450
why is there a line on the topright?

Just snagged a new in box Olympus OEV143 on ebay, which is basicallly a rebranded PVM-14M2MD... for 133euro (ca $149). I thought I would never get the chance to score somthing new/mint without paying a fortune. Does anybody know how well the original packaging of PVMs protected these monitors?

>>2653708
its just a black bar you get when taking a photo\video of a crt , it just showed up really small

>>2653767
The screen looks a little messed up.

>>2653785
Not an original pic.

The one I posted seems to be photoshopped to hide the reflections.

>>2653830
>being that ugly

>>2653767
I'm sure it's better packaged than this KV-M1450D (14" consumer Trinitron) which also new in the box and was sold for 75€ buy it now within 3 days, I wasn't to interested in it because I already have that one in my attic because I don't like it that much (BE-4 chassis with shitty Motorola chips).
The receipt was also included in the photo gallery, dated 10.12.96 17:32 and this TV did cost 399 DM (Deutsche Mark, currency in Germany before 2001).
Some people keep some weird stuff in their attics but how often does it happen to be a never used quality TV that was in it's original box for almost 2 decades.

>>2653908
The Olympus appearently was some kind of demo unit... so I must just hope the package is still komplete. I can speculate if it was just mounted for some time with the whole endoscopy equipment and then put back into it`s box... and maybe turned on several times for demonstration, or maybe not used at all. The guy is selling monstly professional camcorders and lenses, and has a good scoring so far... so when he says new/demo and in original box, it will be so.

... otherwise I will come crying in the next CRT thread.

Anon with the KD-32DX150U here posting some pics.

Tell me what you think and how to improve picture quality, using component at the moment, will be switching to RGB soon.

>>2654153
I think you used the wrong word:
>component
instead of composite.

Oh yeah duh, I'm an idiot sometimes.

But yeah, how do I access the service menu on this thing?

>>2653908
Why is color spelled wrong?

>>2654153
More from me

rate me

>>2654285
9/10. I also have a 1084S. It's a pretty sweet monitor.

>>2654285
Very, very nice.
What a amazing condition, I'm sure I will never really going to get a Amiga other than the popular 500 in such a nice looking white.
>QWERTZ
German?

>>2654303

It is a German keyboard, yes but I'm a UKfag. I bought the 4000 from a bloke in Germany. Just got the 1084S today but it needs a good clean!

>>2654285

That's some really good looking monitor you have there, it looks better than my 1085S-D3. Also, nice Amiga 4000.

>>2654318

Thanks...Doesn't have much inside it apart from an 040. It's gonna cost a fortune to get all the Zorro cards I want.

>>2654323

Well at least it does have a built-in IDE controler and a few other nice things you don't find on earlier stock Amigas.

>>2654323
I'm still on the lookout for accelerator cards for my Amiga 2000. Being an Amerifag Amiga fan is suffering.

>>2654334

Yeah I have an 80gig HDD in it and a CD-ROM connected to the IDE.

I also have a 500+, an A1200 Tower (just bare for now), a CD32 and my 1200 with Blizzard 030/50 (32meg), IndivisionAGA...Fucking love my 1200.

>>2654340

I want a Picasso IV but they go for stupid money (as do 060s)...

>>2654217
someone correct me if im wrong but thats kinda common spelling in the UK afaik

>>2654217

>>2654415
color colour

>>2654419
People like you are why Europeans make fun of Americans

>>2654420
People like you are why trolls enjoy doing what they do.

>>2654432
>is a retard
>hurr I was just pretending

>>2654420
>people like you are why Europeans are petty and immature

I have a NEC MultiSync E700 for my PC and I love it, but I'm not sure I'm gonna keep loving it if I ever have to move, or even take it to the living room.

Anyone else get attached to their TVs and get anxious/sad about getting rid of them? I replaced my 20" Philips CRT with a 20" Trinitron that I like better and now I'm putting the Philips on craigslist. I feel like it's going to end up in a landfill or "recycled."

Okay seriously, I need help.

Anyone know the best settings in the service menu for the KD-32DX150?

Previous owner has played around with the settings and it's not right, need it to be recalibrated.

how many of you use external speakers for your retro setups?

I remember someone a couple threads back to using a retro sound set or something.

I Think the pvms have good sound and volume, I use a Y-adapter to get R and L onto the mono speaker though.

>>2654285
make me some free perler pls

Need some GPU advice.

I'm using an old PC CRT for contemporary FPS gaming, and looking to upgrade my GPU. Are current gen GPUs still made with the capability to output analog video (any DVI-I port will do that, is that right? Or is it DAC related?)

Which current gen cards have the capability and which don't? How soon before the capability is dropped compeltely, in /crt/'s opinion? If no cards do anymore, what's the most powerful card i can go?

(Ideally I'd like to drive 3 screens from the card, but only one is for gaming at any one time, and only one is CRT/Analog)

For purchasing a PVM/BVM, how many hours would you say would be too many to consider it a decent buy?

30k? 40? 50?

>>2655251
depends more on the condition of the set. Hours isn't a bad way of judging, but i've seen sets that had over 100k hours and still looked great

>>2646284
I just use my regular crt tv to watch oldschool animu. No amount of remastering oh hd-fication can make anything that's come out in 4:3 resolution look better on lcd.
I got the idea when sat down to rewatch evangelion. I was just watching it on my pc and I was thinking to myself "boy, even this show hasn't aged well." A few episodes in I decided to output that shit on my crt and suddenly it felt like the show had just come out yesterday or something. The colors and the picture and that neon green on unit 01 blew me away; looked better than the movies that are coming out now. Stuff like lain, akira and cowboy bebop also look awesome. Anything 640x480 looks fucking perfect, but if the resolution is lower you can see the pixels and the magic is gone. I haven't tried it with movies though because finding older 4:3 releases is impossible. There's a lot of 80s and 90s anime and ovas in 4:3 that look like complete archaic shit on lcd because of things like specific shabby-looking coloring. You'd be surprised how well composite compliments them. They don't look as nice on vga.

Tfw cheap magnavox and no s video.

>>2655251
15K-20K.

What is wrong with this CRT? There is a very green tint and some strange green lines. It's this one:

http://www.cnet.com/products/dell-p992/specs/

I just picked it up from some guy for $35. He said it was in "good working condition".

>>2655584

>>2654153
RGB will blow you away quality improvement-wise

>>2655657
What?

>>2655584
>>2655586
Either the "SCREEN" voltage at the flyback transformer is wrong or the tube is fucked if adjustments don't help.
And yes, you have to open it to adjust it.

>>2655821
He's saying that you will see great improvement once you switch to RGB.

>>2655584
Look thru the OSD for a "color return" function. You will probably need to leave the thing turned on for 30 minutes before it will let you use it tho.

It's a known 'feature' of some late model trinitrons, the monitor gradually boosts the output over time to fight loss of brightness with age - but of course here its boosting it far too much too early.

>>2655657
>implying anyone can tell a difference between RGB and component

>>2655836
It's VGA from a PC

Some one please stop me from making terrible decisions with my money.
I just got those two monitors from that /vr/ anon; Now is not the time to be looking into buying another. Especially for what they're asking.

>>2655873
I can if component color space is 4:2:0 vs RGB444.
The first time I connected my monitor with hdmi, all I could see is green smudge around letters, then I found that you can change color space in amd control panel, changing to RGB444 restored crispness

>>2656014
>Feelio when always wanted my uncle's Wega
>Feelio when he wants me to have it now
>Feelio when no room
Seriously I have far too many monitors already. Don't tempt me.

>>2656316
I was saved by some wealthy bidders.
It didn't have a bid until about the last half hour, at which point it just skyrocketed.

Why are CRTs worse than TFT for my vision? My eyes get tired after some time. Any tips to avoid this?

>>2656528
computer crt ? Refresh rate, 75hz minimum, 85hz is probably ideal compromise.

>>2656516
$510??? Was it never used or something? Or is that somehow a reasonable price?

>>2656551

>$510

It's far from being a reasonable price anon.

>>2656528

Use them in a room with appropriate lighting, and calibrate the brightness and contrast of your tube according to these conditions.

>>2656548
i am forced to use 60 Hz unless i go down to 1024x768 where i can get 85 Hz
do games locked at 60fps look okay at that refresh rate?
>>2656584
thanks, will do

>>2655362
Yeah i think i would rather watch Akira on blu ray and on a plasma tv lol.

>>2656587
do you have model ref to see max refreshes ? Cause modern windows are fucking annoying when it comes to higher refresh rates, have to either remove a pin or mod edid

>>2656642
Probably one of countless low-end CRTs from the early 00s with a scan limit of 70khz.

If it can do XGA at 85hz, you should be able to get XGA+(1152x864) at 75.

>>2656642
its a trinitron multiscan200es
this is what it says in a pdf i found online

>>2656692
pic

So Auschoice have put two pallets of ex-ABC monitors on EBay.com.au. One pallet is 14" sets, the other 20" sets. Description says they all have issues ranging from utterly fucked to screen-burn and flickering.

Once again I wish I was in Brisbane (and had a large garage).There's going to be a few good sets worth of material in there, at least. Not to mention a shitload of work to extract it.

Lastly, pic related, what set is that at the top right? It looks to be marked HR in the top left and also Multiformat at the top right of the frame, but it's also clearly a 4:3 set and NOT a D20L5A (20L5) or.. what was the model of that multiformat medical PVM, M7 something? It also doesn't really look like a D20F1U as those controls at the bottom are part of the unit.

It looks like some kind of BVM I haven't heard of.

damn this thread.

I used to use an old no-name Amiga monitor from when I was a kid for my RGB gaming. Want a Proper RGB Monitor (like a PVM), but they almost never come up on craigslist or near me on Ebay, when they do on craigslist they wont settle for anything less than $500.

My No name Amiga Monitor no longer works, and now I am stuck with a shitty CGA to VGA scaler attached to a LCD monitor.

>>2656595
I'm with you. I understand that crts are awesome and have their place, but come on. Good anime is beautiful in HD.

my camera isnt very good

>>2657019
looks clinical comfy

>>2656958
>It also doesn't really look like a D20F1U as those controls at the bottom are part of the unit.
>It looks like some kind of BVM I haven't heard of.
BVM A20F1U perhaps?

>>2657048
it is JC Penney branded oddly enough, tho i think it was actually manufactured by goldstar

>>2657075
on examination, i think it's a D20F1A with a control box, but the control box appears to be part of the set...?

Pic related. The set in question is top left in this photo. Not also the set in the top right. That's a BVM of some kind, i reckon, and again the lower portion appears to be part of the unit.

I'm guessing they're an earlier revision than the D-series BVMs produced later/concurrently with the A-Series.

Is a Sony PVM-1342Q worth 80 bucks? Think I should haggle lower?

>>2658545
Too much for an older, smaller monitor like that, in my opinion.

Composite NES to composite Trinitron has heavy downward waves. Resolution issue or shirty cables?

>>2658875
I'm retarded; not resolution: refresh

>>2658875

I'm not trying to be a dick, but...

>Beast light

COME ON NOW

>>2658895
Official sponsor of the World Poker Tournament...

But seriously, shitty cables? Or is it a refresh rate issue..?

>>2653767
the motherfucker just arrived. it was in its original box. Not one fingerprint or scratch on this thing. Pur bliss

maybe this has been done before but we should all decide on one common game then everyone should take a photo of it, and then make a /crt/ collage

>>2659157


Oh my god this.

Lets try and decide a console first, I'm gonna have to vote snes

>>2659172
i was thinking a streets of rage game but maybe we could do a strawpoll or something

>>2659172
sega doesn't what nintendon't
Sega Saturn

>>2659178
in relation to
>>2659180
i'm down for sor

>>2659184
>>2659180
most of us have wii's too , if not an actual md\genesis or snes

so i think 4th gen would be best to go with

>>2659178

>>2659180
>>2659187

something the wii could emulate would be great,I dont own any RGB consoles, all I have is component

>>2659180
Picked the one Sega console I don't have.

>>2659149

congrats anon, i was blown away when i had my first ultra shitty 14m2mdu. take good care of her.

>>2659187
Road Rash?
>>2659191
Let's do something like Road Rash for MD then
>>2659192
Get one bruh, mod chip, burn discs, or use the Rhea thing, it's fucking baller.

>>2659187
>>2659191
Couldn't find the files for the SNES and NES emulator on the wii, mind throwing them in a megaupload for me?

I can't take a good pic

I've been checking ebay and craigslist for the past month trying to find a PVM. a 20 inch came up a few weeks ago but it was a bit too far away to go pickup, but it was a shame since it seemed perfect. Anyone got any ideas? Any luck at all finding them at thrift stores or something? I don't really feel comfortable going into hospitals and asking for their tech guys or w/e but maybe if I don't find one soon I'll try it.

>>2659149
Posting some mor pics.

This is the box it arrived in.

>>2659296
And this is the manual and the splash covers the medical pvms usually had... and some extra cable i dont know wtf it is for.

>>2659304
And another pic of the this itself. I still cant believe everythig went so smooth and no retard delivery guy dropped it... i saw so mony gore pics and vids of shipped pvms.

>>2659304
That cable seems to be intended for screw terminals that carry mains voltage.

/vr/, tell me how good this is. I've found a place looking to get rid of their CRT. It's a Toshiba, I'm not sure of the exact model but it almost looks exactly like this with the only difference being that there's a door on the front composite plugs. I'm guessing it's 20 inches, maybe 23. It only seems to support composite, but it is in fucking pristine condition, with the remote, TV stand, and everything.

Does anyone know if this would be a good CRT? Would it be worth the trouble of moving around to keep?

>>2659394
Crts with built in DVD/VHS is usually a no-no. I'd hold off for another one.

>>2659439
I know they tend to be more fragile/more shit, but this one still works fine. And besides, they don't affect any vidya hooked up to the TV, do that?

>>2659394
nah fuck composite anon, wait for something that atleast has svideo, you will regret getting something with composite only

>>2659394
Are CRTs that hard to find in your area? Searching for TVs in the free section on craigslist gives me about a billion flat screens with component input.

>>2659180
I'll warm up my Radiant Silvergun.

>>2659669
Warmed up bby

>>2654773

fuck that...I will if you pay me though.

>>2659439
>>2659447
Aside from usually being lower end and having more shit that can break, you should be fine using it the same way you'd use a similarly spec'd standalone TV.

>>2659180
>>2659669
I'm in if you give a week or two for a mod chip to show up.

Something able to be easily emulated on a Wii would be more inclusive and probably garner more/better results though.

>>2659249

Sure anon, i'll try to get it up in a bit.

I know, i couldn't find them once on the homebrew wiki and thought they vanished forever, fortunately, I got some backups.

>>2659304

Man i just realized you got the racks and the plastic shield too. Congrats anon, looks like you got a steal. You never see the plastic shield on the medical ones cause those seem to get treated poorly the most.

>>2660568
Yeah the cover even were still in the original plastic bags. But I can understand now why they trash/break them. The front cover is extremely annoying to open... it looks really nice on it, but I think I wont put it on again.

Some little detail I found out: this one seems to come direktly from the Olympus headquarters in Hamburg (Germany)... the guy who sold it is also located there. The Box even says "Olympus - Hamburg Germany" on the top cover. So I guess they had it sitting in their basement this whole time...

Noob question: At what gen does playing on CRTs start hindering the experience instead of enhancing it? If I use my crt that I love for playing Genesis/SNES games, will it still have the same positive effect for PSX or even PS2?

>>2660882
Anything up to PS2 and Xbox, including. Dreamcast is better off on a VGA and the next generation of consoles after that is HDMI on a modern TV.

>>2660884
Thanks!

Dis shit normal?

>>2660929
Not that there's anything wrong about it, but if you can adjust overscan on your set that will fix it.

>>2660929
50hz land ? yes it's normal

>>2661205
Balls. Stupid PAL region.

>>2661216
mod your megadrive dood, you'll get rid of those upper and lower bands, and restore original speed.

>>2660509
Thank you m8 appreciate it, tried to find them on the homebrew wiki and they vanished. Checked the source forge and they only have it uncompiled which is a pain in the ass.

where in the world is this guy getting his price for a 14L5

he sounds firm. so glad I got my 14L5 for a steal. I was playing a ps3 game on it to just see how good the 720p was it honest to god looks better than most lcds in my house. shame its so small though.

>>2661457
lol I just saw this too. Did you also see the guy who was selling that nec XM29 for $1300? LOL
Some people just want to make a profit a little too much.
I got my XM29 for $50 from an av company

Post Mega Men

>>2661489
I DID
he also would have taken $1000 and a 20L5 or something crazy stupid.

what part of Cali are you in?

>>2661412

https://mega.nz/#!SwVVQAyA!W6lB_VEriyhlu1MwoSJ8kq9mnugvQfpO9EPjPVW-sSg

here you go anon, nes, snes, coule of sega stuff and some loaders that may or may not be useful to you

>>2661737
>https://mega.nz/#!SwVVQAyA!W6lB_VEriyhlu1MwoSJ8kq9mnugvQfpO9EPjPVW-sSg
Alright thanks dood, asked the /vg/ emugen a while ago and they told me to fuck off, glad you could help

I know I know, not retro, but guilty gear xrd looks fantastic in 720p on CRT.

>tfw CRT shaders are getting really good

http://b.1339.cf/ctgkymq.png

Now we just need 120Hz 4K OLED displays and we'd be good to go

Hey /vr/ I love crts but they are just too damn big/heavy for me. What's a decent (not super expensive) CRT that isn't super heavy/fat? Preferably around 30"

Should I do it?
http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/ele/5182845699.html

So if I come across a Trinitron, should I try snagging it?

>>2662672

$75 for a 20 inch 600 line tv is a steal, hit him up anon.

>>2662670
getting a crt thats 30 inches and not heavy will not happen.

>>2662682
Yes, if you have bad luck /cant shell money out for a PVM get a trinitron wega or something.

>>2662687
I'll start keeping my eyes open at thrift stores, just in case I see one.

I already have a CRT, but I keep it more because it's the one I had as a kid in the living room.

>>2662687
>$75 for a 20 inch 600 line tv is a steal, hit him up anon.

He sold it already :(

I JUST FOUND A PVM FOR $25!!!

>>2662691

as someone went to every thrift store and good will in a 50 mile radius, go to the dumps and recycling centers too.

>>2662692
Aww shucks, sorry for your loss anon. Don't worry, I was rash once and bought a really banged up one on ebay, but a few months later a couple appeared on craigslist near me and I have much nicer ones. Good things will come, just check craigslist daily.

>>2662694

What model anon?

>>2662696
PVM-5041Q

Just emailed him, hopefully he hasn't sold all of them

Is a 9 inch 250 line PVM with only composite and Y/C (s-video) worth it? Craigslist seller has two and is offering them for $29 each or $49 for both. I think I'd negotiate a bit in any case if I even decide I want them. Pic related.

Somehow 9 inches just seems uselessly small.

>>2662705
the 8 inch ones are OK, I'd get one if I could get it for $20 as a lil desktop one.

>>2659157
Let's pick a rare game that one of us bought for bragging rights on a console that 85% of us don't have and have no interest in paying collector's prices for.

this will be most suggestions and the reason a single game will never be chosen

>>2662697

Shit m8, do you want a gameboy screen? Thing is a 5" monitor.

>>2662682

No, nothing is systematic when it comes to CRT.
First you check for the model number, then you check the size, then the inputs available on this model, if everything's okay for you, then you buy it.
If you buy stuff based on the fact they're trinitrons, you'll end up like the other anon I answered to buying a tiny tiny 5" gameboy color monitor and/or a shitty combo VHS TV.

>>2662881
Alright, I'll remember that. Which model should I look for?

>>2662887

Don't limit yourself to specific models nor you should limit yourself to trinitrons either if you buy locally. Check the picture quality of the sets and the inputs available -- if you're in the US, both composite and S-video is a good thing, and component is a plus, but itf you're in Europe, if it doesn't have RGB SCART, it's a bit of a low-end model and it would be better if you found one with (if you're French, never ever buy a set without RGB SCART that isn't a professional monitor, every TV sold since 1981 are supposed to have it). If you like it, then it's good enough for you.
When it comes to professional video monitors, they usually have a nice picture quality, but be careful to check the inputs (some sets only have composite in and out, having at least RGB and Component is better), the size (the two first digit of the model number indicate the size of the set, 14xx is 14", 20xx is 20", 27xx is 27", but 90xx is 9", 80xx is 8", 50xx is 5"), and for display issues it may have caught by displaying shit 24/7 for 5 years.

>>2662926
Well I'm in the US, so should I bother looking for SCART?

And I understand picture quality comes first, but if the overall set isn't aesthetically pleasing to me, I might pass

>>2662938

No reason to search for SCART stuff in the US, almost no set had this kind of inputs.
As for the aesthetic of the set, it might be a plus, but unless you're searching without caring for the inputs (like, a set for some really old computer or those RF only consoles), I don't think it's the best idea to give it too much importance either.

>>2662947
That reminds me, I should probably get a smaller one for my Atari 1040, and maybe get a smallish one for the older things, like pong sets.

Though I only have one pong set, and it's a complete in box Radio Shack one, with Styrofoam and everything.

But I'll definitely keep your advice in mind.

>>2662949

>Atari 1040

An ST computer? You're better off with the official Atari monitors or compatible RGB and/or monochrome monitors. Check infos about the low/medium res and high res Atari ST monitors.

>>2662959
Alright, I'll keep that in mind

So I've been thinking of getting a DSLR lately, and the thought occurred to me about how much better pics of my CRT would look with one compared to my shitty cellphone.

Anyone have a DSLR and use one to take pics of their games running on a CRT? I'm wondering what kind of lens would work best to capture fine details like the phosphors and such. Perhaps a prime or macro lens of some kind?

>>2663595
I summon the kya!

is it just me but are scanlines not as strong in pal games compared to NTSC games ? its the resolution right?

>>2663669
Yep.

>>2663682
hmm, maybe ill force ntsc with GSM and see what happens

anyways, hows my trini ?
kv21m3l via RGB scart

pretty good for 5 euros i guess

So a friend kindly bought me the first CRT I've owned in about 9 years. It's Sony KV-29X5U and I've been trying out some of my old consoles with it but have a small issue. As you can see from pic related (sorry for the shitty quality), there's a small amount of the left side of the screen cut out and the aspect ratio is all wrong.

I didn't get remote with it so I had to order a replacement one - it turns out that replacement doesn't have the right button to change the aspect ratio so I'm stuck until I order another one. The replacement remote was pretty cheap so I'm not that bothered about that but my main concern is that even if I manage change the aspect ratio with a new remote, the left hand side will still be cut off.

tl;dr - Does anyone know if this will fix itself if I get a new remote to go with it and change the aspect ratio, if I need to fix it in some kind of service menu or is this set a non-starter?

>>2663773
Stop using a wii

>>2663773
that kind of offset happens frequently. You need to access service menu to fix it, but I think you need a sony remote, I've read that replacement remote don't enable service menu.

>>2663778
Anon, please. I'm using flashcarts, sure (although I do have a fairly healthy PAL SNES collection).

>>2663787
Thanks. Will any Sony remote that reasonably fits the period of release do it or does it have to be the remote that was specifically released with this model?

>>2663773
if you have an IR blaster on your phone you could be able to get into the menus with a IR remote app, worked for me but this was for changing brightness etc

>>2663773
It looks like you're using RGB.
This kind of left shift (by about 0.8µS) is normal, unfortunately.
Maybe the TV has a special RGB input mode which corrects it.

Now if you do like >>2663787 says then you will encounter that composite or S-Video signals are shifted right.
If you're intend to only use RGB and nothing but RGB then you should change it but write down the original settings.

>>2663807
Thanks. There is an RGB specific mode for it - apparently activated by pushing the AV button twice. Same issue, sadly. I'll need to get into the service menu then, having looked at the menu I think it's the "HORZ-CENTER" option, which I think should allow me to shift it.

>>2660929
If 50Hz, yes. PAL has a higher resolution than NTSC. Some games actively account for it (eg, Streets of Rage will draw more graphics), but most will just display borders (which wouldn't show on a NTSC display due to overscan).

>>2661489
>from an AV company

fuck
Where are the AV companies and hospitals I can bug for their old shit.

>>2661457
You have a CRT that does 720p?
Is there no input lag?

>>2663787
>>2663807

Alright, with a bit more persistence I've been able to get into the service menu. Now the option that I think I want to change (H-Centre) is, annoyingly, the only one I can't make changes to. I'm not sure why.

Also, confusingly, using PAL sources instead of NTSC ones has actually made everything okay (correct aspect ratio, no shift to the left). I'm not sure why that would be (obvious CRT newbie here) but it would explain a few things I guess.

Thanks for the help everyone.

>>2664005
Usually service menus don't allow to change the value if the signal format does not belong to the territory (also NTSC/60hz on a PAL TV).
Just like I said, you better write down all changes.

>>2664019
It's alright. The only change I would have made was the Horizontal Centre option - since I can't change that I've no need to fuck about with the settings. Unless I'm being very, very dumb today (which is entirely possible) and you're trying to tell me something else.

This TV will do for my more modern stuff (PS2/Gamecube), it's back to the drawing board for my NES/SNES/MD.

>>2663962

chances are the hospital ones are all gone anon. all the MDU PVMs were at the latest made in 2004 i think, i doubt any hospital has held on to them for 11-12 years.

Yeah, does 240,480,720p and 1080i. No input lag at all.
see
>>2661858

>>2661569
near SF so you may see another one on CL someday if I sell.
>>2663962
I got mine through the 2nd result. They were getting rid of old stock.
http://www.yellowpages.com/san-leandro-ca/audio-visual-equipment-renting-leasing

>>2664084

Some hospitals still use them. Saw some reports on the news showing footage of a hospital earlier this year, and they were still using 20" PVMs in there.

>>2663654
Someone with actual knowledge of cameras would be much better qualified to answer that, as my noisy-ass photos are all done with an extremely cheap point'n'shoot. This is particularly noisy, as I needed to push the ISO setting up to 200 from 64 to properly capture both sets at the same time without catching the beam shadow.
That said, the equivalent to "macro" on said camera gives the clearest and best photos for my purposes.
I really want to get a better camera, this one can't even focus at its default position and shuts down if you zoom too far to get it to actually focus.

Need to figure out what's up with the 14M2. The entire screen has discoloration seemingly from magnetism; Flipping it on it's head doesn't even solve it now. Not like I have enough cables to chain it as well, but still.

Hey, Kya. I haven't posted in a CRT Thread in a while and have never had a trip but it's nice to see you keep the home fires burning.

>>2664232
I lied, one of the ISO64 shots came out pretty good.

I have the Megaview's inputs left high to clean its picture up, which requires the PVM's contrast to be cranked down quiet heavily. Otherwise everything is very heavily overblown. I wonder how having the Megaview feed into the PVM would change things; Maybe its termination would give a cleaner picture without making everything go to shit.

>>2664342
Thanks, I try.

Also, these are in the attic which is one of the few places in the house that actually have properly grounded, three prong outlets; No ground cheaters on these.

bump

>>2663773
>>2664005
This is me.

I just wanted to say thanks - I was less than awake last night but having rested a while and come back to it, I have of course fixed the issue by changing the settings outside of the channel that uses the RGB input.

I just realized I never posted my ape escape shots

freaking file size limit.

https://docs.sony.com/release/specs/cpdg520_sp.pdf

Is this monitor good?

>>2665868
Got an asking price on it?

I'm clueless when it comes to CRTs, is a Philips Cineos a good choice?

It's 29', flastscreen (which I want), 480p/720p/1080i and has progressive scan.

I'm mainly looking to play PS3 games in widescreen and Wii and emulators in general without black borders.

>>2665912
If it's worth playing a PS3 on, it's not good for retro. HD CRTs mostly suffer the same problems as LCDs.

>>2665696
I forgot how fucking deformed the models are in Ape Escape but shit, it's still one of my all time favourite games.

>>2665918
I don't think it is, though. It's probably just marginally better than your average CRT.

>HD CRTs mostly suffer the same problems as LCDs

What problems? Keep in mind I'm not looking for the best possible CRT, just something able to play modern consoles in widescreen and retro ones without black borders.

>>2665896
80 third world coins (around US$21)

>>2665912
I think this one isn't really HD Ready (it's something like "HD prepared"), it actually downscales signals that exceeds the tube resolution.
Despite this, it apprently gets rave reviews from 360/PS3 users, so mitebgud if you get it for a fair price.

>>2665924
Input lag mainly. These old consoles output to 240p which is mostly unsupported on HDTVs so there's some lag introduced by the TV upscalling.

>>2665924
>able to play modern consoles in widescreen and retro ones without black borders

Sorry if this comes across as ignorant, but how would that ever be possible? A screen will either be 16:9, and display vertical borders for 4:3 aspect ratios, or be a 4:3 screen that has horizontal black borders when playing 16:9 signals. Maybe I'm just misunderstanding.

But what you're looking for is a multiformat monitor capable of high-def resolutions, as I understand these are exceedingly rare. Most consumer HD CRTs will upscale 240p signals and introduce input lag, which is often pronounced on HD CRTs since they were such early examples of HD technology and usually didn't have great upscalers built in.

Someone who's more educated on the subject might be able to fill you in on some specific models to look out for, but from a standpoint of practicality it's usually best to aim for either good low res performance or good high res performance.

>>2659149
That picture is gorgeous.

>>2661457
>he sounds firm
He will firmly never sell that then.

Running an NES emulator on my everdrive 64.

>>2665696
How is that so impossibly sharp. Gimmie some details.

What's a good fairly sized CRT for a poorfag like me? Something that isn't a complete energy hog either (somewhat of an oxymoron)

>>2665936
Go for it, it's not much and you can't really go wrong with a Trinitron.

Oh hey, there's a marketing slogan about 20 years too late.

>>2665868
>>2665936
There are an extreme few PC CRTs that could match that model, let alone beat it in specs.

For $21 its a steal, assuming it's not a total wreck.

>>2666385
>N64 NES emulator
How is it?

>>2666867
Its not so bad. A little more sprite flickering than normal but it's playable.

>>2652097
What kind of filter are you making with the resistor and cap? That's ~1Hz for the cutoff frequency. How does that help merge the two lines?