/vr/ - Retro Games

>>2617637
Inferno is fine as is.
It's just a fraction for real masters of the game.

>>2617694
Im pretty sure demon farming wasnt intended to be a thing.

>>2617694
Nah breh, they have by far the most lackluster units in the game.

I mean, I wanna like them, but they're just not that great, the best thing they have going for them is the Devils (their ultimate unit), and the Gogs/MaGogs (their ranged unit).
Everything else is just EEEEEEEeeeeeh.

You know a faction is fucked when the only thing they have which is good is their ultimate unit and their shooter stack.

Considering in the lore of the M&M games, even the boring Ubisoft ones, Inferno is meant to be by far the biggest threat to everything it does surprise me that in every game they are the shittiest faction to actually play as.

Nice!
A HoMaM thread!
oh boy oh boyoboy!

>>2617824
The only "threat" they pose is the fact that they get an off-brand Town Portal.

>>2617743
>the best thing they have going for them is the Pit Lords, and the Demons

Fixed

>>2617927

this, even devils aren't that great compared to other T7s. id take archangels or titans over devils any day.

imps are one of the shittiest T1s. Magogs suffer from friendly fire issues which far outweighs how often you will get to take advantage of the splash damage. devils are a mediocre T7, and efreeti are weak as fuck, their only benefit is you can grab them super early in week 1. which leads just pit lords/demons, both of which are also mediocre so you have to demon farm which is tedious as fuck.

inferno is basically "hard mode" for those who have already played the shit out of other factions

Why is Heroes 4 so damn shit?

How do I have fun in this game?

>play local multiplayer with my bro
>build up a decent army with tower fairly quickly, plenty of gremlings (and some master gremlings)
>start with a nice morale artifact, find a nice helmet outside my door, find a crunk-ass +4 flail, with all kinds of treasure and gold
>most mines, mills and resource outlets are unguarded
>scholar teaches me pathfinding, another teaches advanced pathfinding
>gremling workshop nearby, enforcing my gremling growth, as well as being close by that I can pick up free extra gremlings each week with little effort
>don't have diplomacy but still manage to get people to line up to join me, pick up a shooter stack here, a meatwall there
>fire elemental confluxes all around my area, they do their part in engorging the strength of my army


>plays as dungeon, has the potential to build up a character with high spell points and then doubling those with his mana vortex, giving himself an obscene pool of spell points
>start with necklace which provides +1 unit speed, fucking feet of the legion lying on the ground outside his doorstep, for free
>brother actually gets diplomacy, the game is in going to be in our favor now, picking up rogues and other early meatwalls

I love how you can just boost and build yourself in this game, it's like a wacky fantasy Monopoly with violence and siege warfare, and there's just boons, bonuses and perks all over the board.

>How do we fix Inferno

Make demon resurrection automatic based on enemy losses at the end of each fight, relative to the amount of pit lords you have - similar to necromancy.

Make magogs do no friendly fire.

Sacrifice works on enemies if you have Devils in your army.

Familiars channel a portion of mana back even from your own spells.

Devils have same speed as Archangels (all other stats unchanged). They can also cast Sacrifice once per battle, similar to archangels.

>>2618117
>Make magogs do no friendly fire.
How about no friendly fire to Inferno units only. Just like the Liches from Necropolis.

And the familiars things is overpowered.

>>2618117
>Make demon resurrection automatic based on enemy losses at the end of each fight, relative to the amount of pit lords you have - similar to necromancy.
Naeh.
Should be based on your living losses, but making it automatic would probably be nice.

>>2618018
I doubt you can ever get fun with feelings like this.

>>2618169
>And the familiars things is overpowered.

what? He is saying you can sacrifice enemy stacks to heal yours? Am I misunderstanding?

>Inferno
>rush efreeti
>no armageddon
>quit

>>2617904
>2 dead peasant stacks

how do you even get in a situation like this?

>>2617960
>one of the shittiest

nah, unless you count peasants, imps are THE shittiest level 1 mob

>>2618018
what makes you say its shit? im guessing you are that guy that hated on it in all the previous threads

>>2618117
>sacrafice working on enemies
>insta kill 10 hostile azsure dragons to ressurect 1000 archdevils

seems fair :^)

>>2618471
>what makes you say its shit?

It's slow (levelling, building your army, etc.).
It has so few units and you're forced to get even fewer by the retarded exclusive structure upgrades.
The spells are also worse, a lot fucking worse.
Fire/Water/Earth/Air Magic based spells, which were supported by the Might and Magic RPG series as well >>> "Life/Chaos/Order/Nature Magic".

The only good thing about it is the music.
Even the graphics were better before 4.

>Black Dragons
>'I can take them, bro, it's probably not that many'
>Seven stacks of Black Dragons with very good morale
That was hard to watch.

>>2617960
>efreeti are weak as fuck

They have fire spell immunity, so you can run around armageddoning everything.

Efreeti Sultans are also the only units in the game with a guaranteed counter, even if they die from the enemy attack (unless the enemy has magic immunity... can the Resistence skill affect efreet sultan fire shield, though?).

>>2618471
>seems fair :^)

Well obviously it would need some limitation, like you can only kill as many enemy units as your magic power is. In that sense, it would another attack spell just with the perk of resurrecting your units as a bonus.

>Armageddon is no longer fire based in Heroes 4

I hate
I HATE!

Sultans are a great early game map clearer. Cerebri are reasonably quick and have no retaliation. If you managed to find the wait button devils are another great map clearer. Demon farming sucks though.

Inferno isnt that great but it's a whole lot more versatile and better than fucking tower.

>>2619087
Wasn't fire based before homm3

>>2619117
What's wrong with Tower?

>>2619194
- Slow
- Costs an absurd amount of money and resources
- very rigid build order
- worst set of heroes

>>2619194
slow, shit early units (master gremlins are not bad tho), insane resource requirements (they need the most special resources in the game, as I recall).

>>2619194
Nothing, it's just the Tower hater.

Tower > Stronghold > Fortress > Inferno.

>>2619246
>insane resource requirements (they need the most special resources in the game, as I recall).

Got curious and decided to compare unupgraded dwelling buildings for dungeon and tower.
A little more expensive than dungeon when it comes to resources, but I can see dungeon being an expensive town too. A lot cheaper when it comes to gold, but unupgraded cloud temple is absurdly cheap.

>>2619341
Too bad an unupgraded cloud temple is crap.

>>2619298
J-just wait till I learn some cool spells! And get Titans! Come back in 3 months, y-you'll be sorry then!

>>2619341
Try comparing upgraded costs as well, as well as the cost of prerequisites. Arch Mage dwelling requires the fucking library (5 of all resources), and Titans need 30 gems.

Dungeon kind of balances out with the dragon cave and upgraded dragon cave costs, but then again Black Dragons are crazy good.

>>2619407
>Try comparing upgraded costs as well
Figured I'd do that as a seperate one.
Getting dwellings before a week change is different than having them upgraded for a week change.

Should add in other prereqs that aren't covered though.
Like not mage guild, but library should be in there, stables should be in there.

>>2619429
Oh I see total costs are covered here.
http://www.heroesofmightandmagic.com/heroes3/towncosts.shtml

Still gonna break it down a bit.

>>2619194
I love Tower, their Tier 1 unit shoots when upgraded, and you get LOTS of them, incredibly good to have.
They also have another ranged unit, the Mage, which you can further stack
Finally, their Tier 7 unit is also fucking ranged, and it's amazingly good.

Oh sure, it's expensive and building up takes a while, but it's SO worth it in my opinion.
The heroes themselves are alright and cast alright (I don't cast a shitload of spells until I get to higher levels so it doesn't really bother me much).
I like Solmyr as he has Chain Lightning, which can be very advantageous in the early game as it's faster to deal with larger groups of enemies that way (I often have good results with this, and having a fast and efficient start is always good). He doesn't have a lot of other spells to start with though so you gotta have him pay a visit to a Mage's Guild if you want him to have the basics.

Oh, a tip is to buy heroes which have the skill Estates or just a daily bonus of 350 gold, they will pay for themselves over time, especially if you advance their Estate skill.
I once had a hero who had the daily 350 bonus, expert estates, and TWO Endless Bags of gold. Lodse Money

>>2619429
Also, when you calculate total resource costs, you should keep in mind that gold/wood/ore is easier to get then the 4 precious resources, and also that both factions have a Silo that produces either 1 precious, or 1wood+1ore resource per day, depending on faction.

As I recall with Dungeon the silo gives sulphur, and with Tower it gives gems, so it can help get around the crazy resource requirements. That is, a dwelling that requires 5 gems is less of a burden for Tower, than a dwelling that requires 5 crystal.

>>2618831

>>2619441
>Oh, a tip is to buy heroes which have the skill Estates or just a daily bonus of 350 gold, they will pay for themselves over time, especially if you advance their Estate skill.

I always grab those as extra dudes to defend my towns, unless none are available and I need someone to use the artifacts that generate gold / resources / extra units (legion statue pieces).

On some XL maps I sometimes managed to get TWO full Legion statues (combo artefact, affects all dwellings globally). Oh, if they only scaled.

>>2619429

>>2617960
Devils are a great unit. They're not about sheer power; they have a niche. That niche is about winning battles that no other level 7 unit would be able to fight.

A couple of Archdevils with enough spellpoints + some fodder can take a full Utopia with virtually no losses if you can cheese encounters properly. A couple of Archdevils makes encounters like a Throng of Dendroid Soldiers / Zombies / Iron Golems a breeze, though Mass Slow and/or Spirit of Oppression is obviously in high demand.

They are fast and they have non-retal - it makes them really fun to use and really stands them out in some choice encounters. They can do stuff your typical Shooter w/ Mass Slow tactics can do, and then some more.

Also, Inferno's Efreetis are ridiculously comfy to use, being flyers with lots of power and not even particularly expensive.

>>2619298
Stronghold will wreck Tower easily; the speed advantage is enough to reach Titans (assuming you will even have them) with Mass Hasted units. Stronghold is much better at all stages of the game except for extreme late game which is difficult to reach in a multiplayer game.

Almost nobody plays Tower online - it can match a Castle (*the* cookie-cutter multiplayer army aside from Rampart and Stronghold) army and win sometimes but every Tower player will tell you that their heroes are all abysmal shit except for Neela (still has Scholar which is a niche thing, and Alchemists have bad stat progression), Cyra (just because diploborn so you can't use her anyway) and Solmyr (overrated and not main hero material, you pick him for scouting); you have to face ridiculous unit costs, low speed, Giants are really fragile all things considered and not very useful without their upgrade (and you can't afford to lose them)... Learning Tower is more trouble than it's worth unless you're a big fan. Pray for Orrin or Jabarkas in tavern, though.

>>2619447
>Japan

Hah.

>>2619381
You can meme all you want but it's a fact that at worst, Tower is an average city.

>>2619381
Is it slow? Yeah, but it's not like it doesn't perform once it's done.

My Tower is a grower, not a shower.

>>2619496
two words: opportunity cost

>>2619461
I don't really play online so that's fine with me.

Slow and steady wins the race.

So if I choose Fortress as my town and recruited other factions e.g. Mephala(rampart) from the tavern, is she affected by the swamp movement penalty?

>>2619670
The real question is why are you not maining this man?

>>2619691
already got him as main. just need a secondary scout. Tazar ftw!

If you guys could add creatures to the game what would they be. And if they had special mechanics what would those mechanics be?

>>2619697
My nigga

To answer your question the terrain penalty applies to troop factions and not the hero. So mephala with fortress troops doesnt have a swamp penalty

>>2619670
Movement in heroes 3 is determined by the slowest unit in your army.

Heroes themselves have no movement since they're not even real units.

So you've got the swamp movement penalty as soon as you have a creature that's not from Fortress in your army.

>>2619705
I'd add some anime lolis and they're special mechanics would be that they're nude and when they're defeated they say "pomf=3 what are we gonna do on bed onii-chan".

>>2619705
Don't you know that WoG exists for this?

>>2618831
In H2 you could take out Dragon Cities with a healthy stack of hydras and some steelskins. Do not remember doing utopias in h3 this way, but should apply.
However when you face a single stack, you are fucked.

>>2619609
Especially on maps like Barbarian Breakout, right?

You can beat a single player map on 200% by just going random on everything and playing the hand you're dealt. Tower doesn't really have that much of an advantage in that region, you will steamroll everyone later anyway.

Might as well play Castle.

>>2619834
I think you're emotionally invested into this discussion because you're a barbarian yourself. Please leave Greece and take the raft back to your homeland. Thank you.

>>2619841
>I think you're emotionally invested into this discussion because you're a barbarian yourself.

I wish I was the best hero class in the game.

>>2619834
I like Tower, I like the genie heroes, the Master Gremlings are fun and useful, the Arch-Magi has a very satisfying beam (much like the Beholder), and the Titan is just godly.
The golems are meh as hell though and the gargoyles are kind of mediocre as well.

I like the castle they have and the blue roofs, the snow, stuff like that.
Oh, and the landmines for the siege, that shit is cool. Basically they're comfy and fun.
Dungeon is nice too though, and Undead is fun because of the easy exponential growth with Skeletons (and it's fun as hell to cast Haste on a big stack of Skeleton Warriors)

>>2619898
There's nothing wrong with liking any of the towns, fret not; the argument was about pure powergaming.

>>2619087
This is the worst part about it:
>Sorcerers that become a fireguard can be quite dangerous early on, and are a good pairing with Black dragons and the Armageddon spell, as this normally self-destructive spell will do no harm to yourself in this setup.
http://mightandmagic.wikia.com/wiki/Fireguard

>>2618705
leveling is the same as in 3, if you have more heroes the XP is split, considering you get troops every day building an army is faster

ok you are right on the low creature ammount but it depends on the enemy you're facing which creature you should pick... but always ALWAYS pick Cyclops over Ogres and always pick Genies over Naga

the spells are worse? why do you say that it has pritty much all of the heroes 3 spells plus some intresting new ones

(blessing)(damage)(balanced)(summoning)(curse)

they balanced the spell trees, when is the last time you legitametly picked fire magic?

music is nice yeah are a bit too colorfol but you should try to open your heart and give it a chance

>>2619076
for some reason i actualy had this *sacrifice on an enemy ressurects 1000 devils* in my dream last night, no it wasnt some creative dream where i was in the game, it was one of those you dream you are playing a game dreams, yeah....
/blog

>>2619087
>get Chaos
>get Effefiti and Black Dragons
>level up your sorcerer hero and get Armagedon
>get two levels into combat which will be offered every time you level up
>become a fireguard
>blast everyone on the map

if i recal armagedon doesent hit your hero when you're casting

>>2619705

Are the defaults I'm supposed to compete against in the Heroes 4 high scores even trying? Psh..nothing personnel...kidds

Where do I find a good link to download HoMM III HD?

>>2620806
Download the normal game and the unofficial Russian HOMM3 HD (https://sites.google.com/site/heroes3hd/)) with resolution support and some tweaks instead of the UbiSoft garbage

Do the bonuses from Vampiric Touch (you gain 1 HP for every 2 damage dealt in melee) stack with Dark Priest (same thing) and/or Soul Stealer (same thing)?

I'm guessing they don't since that would be too cool, and cool things aren't allowed in IV.

>Peasants
>Zounds

>>2621000
>mfw I thought that "Zounds" meant "lots of" because of seeing it used to describe the highest amount of creatures in a stack possible in homam3

>>2619071

yeah, but the problem is the fireshield requires them getting hit. i'd rather just have a stronger T6 that doesn't require them dying in order to make themselves more useful. sultan's real advantage is their speed + the ability to get them early (week 1) but in the grand scheme fo the game they are just overshadowed by better similar tier units (like most of inferno)

>>2619461

agreed that the no retal/speed can be super useful in some cases like you describe (full tope being a solid example) but the fact that this use is so niche is exactly why they are mediocre when lined up with the other T7s.

>>2621059
Efreeti are immune to fire spells and Inferno has a very big chance of getting Armageddon though. That's something that makes them very useful as well.

>>2621064

id argue still quite niche though. getting your mage guild + high level enough hero w/ adequate spell points will take several weeks, and that assumes you even get armageddon in the first place. most games are pretty much over by the end of the first month which means it'll be pretty rare where you can make good use of this specific situation.

trust me, i understand that there are some circumstances that can be handy with inferno, but you could make that argument for almost any creature/faction in the game. hydra + teleport can be fun and useful for example but id still almost always prefer ancient behemoths or archangels for a variety of reasons. inferno is just...bad.

>>2620989
Please answer onegai

I'm almost 100% sure that they don't stack / all three of these effects are coded the same way (enabled/disabled instead of numbers adding up).

>>2620817
You are a saint.

>play on easy
>the computer basically meanders around in the general area of his town but doesn't ventute farther than thst
>leaves piss poor defences in his town
>only built a few buildings
>has a mixmaster army with mostly mooks between tier 1 and 4
>never launches an attack on your town and runs if he sees you

I wish there was a step between easy and normal, this is pathetic.

>>2620361
>Days: 15
>Zanfas' Challenge
Maybe if you weren't such a cheater Anon

But honestly bragging about score in HoMM 4 is kind of pointless since it has potato AI. You can have fun with that game if you've got the right mindset for it, but it's not really a strategy game.

>>2617637
>month 2 week 2,all those resources, all the money, no arch angels...

the maker of that screen failed

>>2621752
>Maybe if you weren't such a cheater Anon
If you cheat you get "Cheater!" in your high score. No need to be salty, anon.

>>2621818
>If you cheat you get "Cheater!" in your high score. No need to be salty, anon.

Not if you use a trainer.

>>2621929
>using trainers
Yep, I sure would want some viruses on my computer to get a high score in my least favorite Heroes game of all time.

>>2619194
>playing Wog as Tower
>with the hypnotize hero
>he randomly casts hypnotize on enemy stacks

>>2620989
They don't.

>>2621929
could you use a simple hex editor to edit the high score?

>>2622442
At that point it'd be easier to photoshop a screenshot.

>>2622479
Here's a screenshot right before the high score screen.

>>2622482
Another game for today.

>>2621705
git gud, even on hard the AI is weak, the difficulty comes from the map

>>2621752
>attack some devils
>victory but my hero dies becasuse *unshatens scythe* *teleports behind u* they get to move first and always kill my hero before i get to attack them
>load autosave and attack them with quick cobat on
>victory with only a few level 1s dead

i dont even know anymore

>>2622043
>the hypnotize hero

Astral is dissapointed

>>2622482
>15 days
>43 vampires

it doesent add up fam, i remember one map had a glitched quest where you could get your reward (12 nagas) an infinite ammount of times

>>2622696
It's p. easy with Grandmaster Necromancery on Impossible. Even fighting some Level 1s will get you Vampires with the huge stacks of them.

>>2622703
>getting GM necromancery
>in under 15 days

Is there a balance mod to fix the issues of H3.
Or are we forced to wait for vcmi to be fully playable?

>>2623016
Try HotA

>>2623016
WoG

>>2623016
>vcmi
>look this up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rLiDSgrhio

Oh so it's just another shitty WoG fanfiction mod.

>>2620338
>they balanced the spell trees, when is the last time you legitametly picked fire magic?
I pick it over Air Magic all the time, hell sometimes even over Water Magic. Air Magic is worthless with Fly and Dimension Door disabled. Water Magic is only good if you can get Prayer, even Teleport is a niche pick and Prayer/Bless is worthless for Undead. Fire Magic improves Blind a lot and even better it improves Berserk's AoE which in some scenarios is even more valuable at abusing the AI than Blind. In other words, I almost always get Fire Magic after Earth Magic on my magic Necropolis hero.

>>2623498
>Fire Magic improves Blind a lot and even better it improves Berserk's AoE which in some scenarios is even more valuable at abusing the AI than Blind
I'd pick Fire Magic solely for the extended Berserk AoE, because that shit's fun, but does it improve Blind really all that much? If you have around 10 spell power, why would you need extra turns for your Blind?

>>2623539
Normal Blind allows attacked blind units to counterattack. Expert does not.

That alone can make a big difference.

>>2623567
I didn't know this, cheers anon.

>>2623471
No, VCMI is not a mod. It is an ultra-bloated and buggy rewrite of HoMM from scratch

>2015
>Boost
>a billion other bloaty dependencies

>>2623498
>Air Magic is worthless with Fly and Dimension Door disabled

air magic is 2nd only to earth magic solely because of haste.

water magic is inexcusably bad. bless is useless compared to slow/haste. prayer is great but much too high level/expensive to be as useful as slow/haste.

blind is OK, but you are 100% better off casting mass slow or haste than blinding a creature that the AI will just dispel next turn anyway.

berserk is fun, but once again useless compared to mass slow/haste.

in short, the entire game practically revolves around mass slow/haste.

get it?

>>2623582
No, Air Magic is not worth it just because of Haste.

>You cast Expert Haste.
>I cast Expert Slow.
>3+ Levels of Air Magic go down the drain.

Not to mention that Slow in general is better than Haste. Almost every faction benefits from slow, but Haste benefits only in special cases. Ranged armies benefit from enemies being slowed much more from themselves being Hasted. Ultimately, the only good thing that Haste is for is removing the enemies Expert Slow and that means that you're basically banking on that the enemy AI is capable enough to put that together. Whereas Blind/Berserk on Expert Fire magic is always good.

Doton >> Katon > Suiton = Fuuton

>>2623582
>in short, the entire game practically revolves around mass slow/haste.
Maybe in multiplayer which is cancerous anyway ("You can't use: all the good spells, all the Heroes you like, all the good units and the faction Necropolis. Actually only Inferno vs Inferno without Gate, Efreeti, Devils, Pit Lords and Cerberi is allowed. :) Balance:)). Have fun!").

In singleplayer: Mass Slow = always good, Mass Haste = only good for like one or two factions offensively, defensively (to remove Slow) you are literally praying that the enemy actually gets a Mass Slow hero to begin with.

AoE Berserk is much, much, much stronger than Mass Haste (or any other spell other than maybe blind to be honest). I won against literally impossible odds with Fire Magic's Blind and Bersker. I could never win those battles without Fire Magic Expert. Meanwhile, there are no battles I couldn't win without Air Magic Expert.

>Heroes 3
>faction called Inferno
>has no semen demons
Shit game dropped.

>Heroes 5
>faction called Inferno again
>"I bet they have no semen demons aga-"
>see Succubus Seducer
Muh dik. 10/10, best heroes game.

>>2623691
>>Heroes 3
>>faction called Inferno
>>has no semen demons
>Shit game dropped.
That's actually pretty impressive of them.
Admirable restraint.
7 units and no semen demon. Had to put some more thought into the creatures.
Also same reason why Rampart is more interesting than later forest factions with elf 1, elf 2, elf 3, etc

>>2623691
are you one of the developers for the game?
Hmmmm

>>2623706
The unit modeller probably didn't know how to draw womyn.

>>2623582
>get it?
Not really.
Can you explain it to us slowly and then explain it to us quickly?

>>2623691
I know that's a bait, but fuck off and back to >>>/v/

>>2623753
He's got a point though, Inferno is really lackluster and could be greatly improved by replacing those ratfaced demons with some sort of Succubus.

>>2623619
>No, Air Magic is not worth it just because of Haste.

It also has flying, dimension door, chain lightning, lightning bolt.

And also counter strike. Which can be pretty hilarious - just not as good as being able to overwhelm and destroy the enemies army before they can make a move.

And regards fire magic, Berserk can be absolutely hilarious, especially if you cast it on, say, Chaos Hydras.

>>2623498
>>2623539

>mass haste worthlesss

leveling up blind isnt worth it at all, the only important spell is Berzerk but whoops you cant use it on undead so no need to pick it, water magic is also nice becasue of cure,water walk,summon boat and clone, nothing like cloning your stack of titans against an army that cant hit the illusion

>>2623567
>>2623576

>have your seventh slot be a single spoopy skeleton
>attack blind creature
>1 dead skeleton just saved you a skill slot and 3 levels

still not worth it

>>2623582
CLONE
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>>2623619
half of your army will be dead by the time you get to cast

>>2623691
>not knowing that big titied Semen Demons were added in WoG

>>2623862
>half of your army will be dead by the time you get to cast

Yeah sure. All your troop stacks will be faster than my fastest creature just because of Mass Haste. It's not like I have an Archangel or something and cancel your shitty Mass Haste right away with my Mass Slow. Or perhaps my fastest troop was faster than your fastest troop to begin with and now your fastest troop and three others around him are too busy killing each other because I cast Expert Berserk on them.

>Air Magic Cucks

>>2623862
>have your seventh slot be a single spoopy skeleton
>attack blind creature
>1 dead skeleton just saved you a skill slot and 3 levels

Okay, now try that trick when facing 300 Archangels.

>>2623875
implying I'm not Sir Milich with pendant of swiftness and ring of speed on grass terrain with expert tactics

Psst... nothing personal... kid...

>>2623883
>blind one angel and kill the rest
>use ressurection to fill up my army, summon some elementals and get them to fight the angels

done

>>2623896
Oh yeah? Well I have a Phoenix in my army and that alone is enough to slow you down right after you cast Haste which means that maybe your fastest unit can kill my Phoenix but he comes right back anyway.

Easy as fuck.

Air Magic Cucks are the worst.
>implying Mass Haste would even do anything for Mullich with the items you described and Expert Tactics

>>2623918
>Conflux
>beeing allowed in multiplayer
>ever

The one thing I remember most fondly, are the numerous times I've run into weird and crazy bugs whilst playing with friends.

>Be Conflux
>In battle vs friends main necropolis army.
>Just one group, though over 2500skellingtons.
>Have high lvld caster
>Almost no troops though (Lost them in a suicide attack by his secondary army.)
>I ponder my move, my options are limited.
>See that i have 450ish spellpoints, loads of spellpower and summon water elemental spell.
>Maybe if i can buy enough time i can wittle him down.
>Friend exclaims over skype "I have you now!"
>Realize it wont be nearly enough, but what the hell.
>Rebutté "HAHA, I STILL HAVE MY ULTIMATE SPELL"!
>Cast Summon water elemental.
>Fairly nice stack gets summoned.
>Then again (Wtf...)
>Then again...
>My hero keeps spawning more and more water elementals.
>Misubunshinnojutsu.jpg
>Friend goes WHAT THE FUCK!
>It just wont stop summoning.
>Finally stops after 1 minute of nonstop summoning.
>The battlefield is about 95% filled with water elemental stacks.
>Friend leaves.
>"What the fuck was that cheaty spell!!?"

Apparently on his screen it looked like i cast unending magic arrows, slaying his one and only mega group of skellies.

>>2623939
>conflux

>>2623951
To be fair, since we played with the WoC-mod Conflux isnt overpowered in any way.

>>2623923
>implying Mass Haste or Sir Mullich is allowed in Multiplayer

>>2623958
the one where all the elementals are replaced with neutral monsters? Eww thats awful!

>>2623972
but the point still stands, faster creatures get to act first

>>2623862
Now this is misogyny in video gaming.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/337210/
though?

>>2623972
>Mass Haste
Of course it is allowed you retard.

>>2623619

i said 2nd to earth magic. obviously slow is better.

also, to your point about ranged, if you are facing off against a bunch of ranged, then haste will be better than slow.

>>2623629
>Maybe in multiplayer which is cancerous anyway

this is a stupid argument, if you're talking about playing vs the AI then who gives a shit what spells you use, you can win 10 times out of 10 by taking scholar, scouting, water magic and eagle eye

berserk is really only useful against big map monsters, not enemy heroes. if you are up against a jacked up enemy hero he will have plenty of spells to counter your berserk no problem. even the dumbass AI knows to dispel your berserk or blind.

>>2623939
>MFW

>>2623706
TBH, I prefer having 3 different elves than 3 different horses.

>>2624121
After reading about it, I think this might be a waste of time. I would like to see its creature list though.

>>2621052

Until this very moment, I had always thought the same and just now decided to check on a dictionary.

>>2619194
Not him but I was always bothered by the fact that they're the only faction in the game to have 3 shooter units (all other either get 2 or 1), and yet their heroes are almost never offered Archery as a skill.

Tower armies are best led by Rampart heroes, who almost always have Archery.

>>2624121
Already downloaded it as torrent. TPB's version doesn't seem to work. The uploader has a high reputation (pink skull). Why is that?

>>2623918
The entire point of having Expert Air is that if you cast Haste, it won't be so easy to just go with the Expert Slow counter. If I'm Hasting, that means pretty much all of my units will go ahead of yours - and if I'm playing something like Stronghold, my Behemoths/Wolf Riders/Rocs will smash your fucking face in. Necropolis players want their skeleton stack of doom to reach the frontline ASAP as well.

Why the fuck would you skill Fire Magic? Blind doesn't get much better with it and Berserk is primarily a single player spell to tackle encounters like the hordes of Nagas in Armageddon's Blade, and it can be shutdown with basic trinket artifacts or just countered in an endless game of berserk-dispel. Armageddon is a hit'n'run spell in most cases (lol shackles of war) unless you're going into the final battle with just blackies or something (for whatever reason).

Expert Haste is also really useful for shooter heavy maps and enemies, reduces losses like a motherfucker.

>>2624970
>Why the fuck would you skill Fire Magic?
Yes, Exper Haste is much more useful to deal with 7 stacks of 999 Nigas coming at you than Expert Berserk.

tbh I am getting quite bored of this fam

>>2625394
you still didnt explain how you got GM Necromancy in under 25 days

>>2625394
Stop cheating, anon. Maybe you could try some of the campaigns.

>>2624993
>Yes, Exper Haste is much more useful to deal with 7 stacks of 999 Nigas coming at you than Expert Berserk

but this never happens in a real game. that's the point. of course certain spells are useful in highly specific situations, like for example the random campaign map you are referring to. but in the average multi game (or even avg random game vs AI) mass slow or mass haste are more useful 99% of the time. plus, once again, the game will often be over before you even have the mage guild or time to get berserk. assuming you even get berserk in the first place, whereas haste/slow pop up all the time since they are 1st level spells.

>>2625935
>but this never happens in a real game. that's the point.

It is much more likely to happen in a single player game when playing on the highest difficulty than either facing an AI opponent with Mass Haste/Slow or playing a multi-player game where Haste and Slow aren't banned (along with all other spells that are good; my guess is that in an average MP game you're only allowed to cast Quicksand, Landmines, Summon Air Elemental and... Dispel - that sounds perfectly fair, one spell per each level & one spell per each element!).

>>2617743
The eefrit sultans are baller

>>2626357
And the Cerberi and Devils too.

The only bad thing about inferno are Magogs not having the same aoe attack as Liches in regards to inferno (aoe doesn't damage other Inferno units).

And Pit Lords looking ugly and being the worst level 4 unit.

Fix those two things and inferno is fine fine fine

>>2625874
See >>2621818.

>>2625841
It's very easy, all you need is to open the map beforehand and edit Map Properties > Map Difficulty > [whatever difficulty it had] -> to 'Impossible' for the 150% score bonus.

And then you just edit in Grandmaster Necromancy to your main hero to balance it out (& choose Custom Level - 1, so it doesn't bloat your experience unnecessarily). :^)

>>2626402
pit lords are level 5 fam

>>2626476
gee that sure is nice, i also gave myself 500 mega dragons

but it aint cheating tho :^)

>>2626560
500 Mega Dragons is no challenge. You still have to be good at the game to get the Vampires from the huge stacks on Impossible to begin with. Smh fam.

>finally get lucky and manage to Freeze a stack of 8 Mangadragons with my 16 Ice Devimons
>game freezes too
>cursor keeps being a circle
>no way of going back other than crash

Nice game Dotards.

>>2626660
>a stack of 8 Mangadragons with my 16 Ice Devimons

You know, a Heroes style game using Digimons would be pretty fucking cool. They have a big enough monster base, and you could substitute magic with some kind of "hero program overwrite" which is basically the same thing.

Only thing that would be problematic is the monster evolutions, and maybe the game factions.

>>2626660
Holy fucking shit. Finally managed to beat the Demonary of Doom quest on Champion. The stack of 64 evil sorceresses was literally unbeatable. Thankfully I realized that the "Retreat" option in Heroes 4 is overpowered as fuck (at least against neutrals), so even though they beat me three times, they never got the Demonary/my dead Heroes.

It's almost ridiculous that as long as you have one hero left alive he can retreat with all the other heroes corpses and the artefacts said corpses were wearing to the nearest town and get resurrected. I could have done the same with the anime dragons I mentioned in this post but ultimately it was a pointless endeavour since it was an optional fight / they guarded just some shitty torso item.

>>2617637
Isn't Inferno generally pretty economy friendly? They just need like Wood, Ore, Mercury, and maybe a bit of Sulfur.

>>2627204
Yes, inferno is the best!!

>>2626402
> Pit Lords
> Ugly

Nah

>>2627642
>>2626560
I was obviously talking about Demons.

>>2626567
>you have to be good to get vampires
>wait,hit the monster, retreat, if the vampires are ever harmed they will just life drain all of the damage away
>fly hit run
>fly hit run
>get hit drain all the health
>win
>get 4 or more vampires per battle
>somehow the AI who cant get their sawmill till week 2 will be a chalange for the legion of vampires

you might aswell go play Heroes 3 with Cloack of the Undead King at every scenario start

>>2627204
economy isnt that important in H3, you can keep your jew gold for shitty jew soldiers while i spend all of my money on a real army

>>2626567
>>2626476
Get out.

>>2627865
Are you retarded? Or have you never played Heroes 4?

>'micro' vampires like this
>meanwhile the huge stack of Trogdolytes I am not attacking because I am too busy hit and running 300 bandits with 2 vampires kills my hero with necromancy
>implying I wanted to get more than 2 vampires
>both of their units gain a morale bonus and rape my 2 cuckold-pires

>>2627958
So salty.

>>2628093
You are complaining about the game being too easy when you just edit in bullshit for the sake of 'Balance' which completly breaks any sort of challenge.

Conflux a best

https://www.humblebundle.com/weekly

"upgraded" heroes bundle

got it played heroes 6 and it felt weird and I only got the tutorial level and shade of darkness and nothing else? why is it called GOLD?

>>2626172

>multi-player game where Haste and Slow aren't banned (along with all other spells that are good; my guess is that in an average MP game you're only allowed to cast Quicksand, Landmines, Summon Air Elemental and... Dispel

why are you even posting? haste/slow are never banned. the only spells typically banned are TP, DD, and fly. my point is just that a good player will move the game so quickly that by the time anyone has L4 spells, the game is probably already decided, even on XL maps.

>>2628093
>now slowing them down
>not giving them bad morale
>not summoning spoopy monsters to kill them
>not quicksanding the shit out of the battlefield so that they get stuck every with every step
>imlpying you arent baiting them with a stack of imps around

Which grail is best grail and why is it Colossus?

>>2628516
>>now slowing them down
Chaos Magic, you cuckold.
>>not giving them bad morale
The only thing you can actually do with Death Magic on the list.
>>not summoning spoopy monsters to kill them
Death Magic has no Summons unless you also get Nature's Magic Summoning and you need to be an Expert in both to get a good summon.
>>not quicksanding the shit out of the battlefield so that they get stuck every with every step
Nature's Magic, you cuckold, and not worth casting.
>>imlpying you arent baiting them with a stack of imps around
Yes, they definitely going to target my shitty tiny imp stack (it would take weeks to get more imps than the average level 1 stack at the highest difficulty) instead of my joocy Necromancer ass.

>>2628614
Aurora Borealis.

What is best, hota or wog?

>>2628614
See >>2628813.

Nothing beats Conflux Grail Building.
Followed by the Skyship (the knowledge bonus is meh, but a free permanent maphack is just overpowered), Soul Prison, Carnivorous Plant, Warlord's Monument, maybe no Colossus, Guardian of Earth, Spirit Guardian and finally Deity of Fire.

>>2628832
Dota.

>>2628797

seems like you havent played heroes 4

>chaos magic
arent you supposed to be necromancer? they have mass slow
>death dont have summoning

except they do, you can summon undead from the stacks that took casualties

>nature magic rant
except h4 quicksand is too good to be true, makes nonflying mele units useless, which is like half the monsters in game

also nature and death magic are a nice combo because of demonology, probably the most over powered class out there

>theyre attacking me

then get teleport and zap around the battlefield, shit nigga i aint gonna play the game for you, stop cheating yuo cuck

>>2628614
Soul Prison, gotta make them skellies

>>2628863
>arent you supposed to be necromancer? they have mass slow
http://www.heroesofmightandmagic.com/heroes4/spells_order.shtml
MASS SLOW
ORDER MAGIC
LEVEL4
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>except they do, you can summon undead from the stacks that took casualties
Those are NOT summon spells, those are RAISE spells, you fucking turd. And they are useless if you have nothing to kill those stacks with.

>Teleport
ORDER MAGIC AS WELL

YOU ARE SHIT, SHIT, SHIT, SHIT

A loser like you would need a lot more than Grandmaster Necromancy to even beat a single stack on Impossible.

>>2628868
>http://www.heroesofmightandmagic.com/heroes4/spells_deat.shtml

>Fatigue
Fatigue - 3 mana
Combat - Curse
Fatigue causes the enemy target to move at half speed and movement.
Keep the enemy away as long as you can, and pick them off one at a time. One-on-one battle is for fools and knights!

ok my bad i though there was a mass Fatigue, sliped my mind havent played 4 in a few months

>raise spells are somehow diffrent than summon spells

you kill mobs with your no retaliation vampires

>teleport

i never said you shouldnt get order magic as it and nature are good combos for necromancer

a "loser like me" would still win without editing the map, maybe not in 25 days but atleast i have my dignity :^)

>>2628938
>you kill mobs with your no retaliation vampires

So you need to have Day 1 Vampires just to get by? Alright.

>a "loser like me" would still win without editing the map, maybe not in 25 days but atleast i have my dignity :^)

You are clearly garbage at this game and you wouldn't even live past Week 3, much less defeat any game on Impossible. Kill yourself tbh.

>>2628940
no i would just win without cheating

smh fam tbh refer to the related picture and stop shitting up my thread

>>2628863
>>2628868
>>2628938
>>2628940
>>2629159
You're both so fuckin mad your red asses melted you into underground.

>>2629159
>my thread

This is *my* thread. I am the OP.

And you would never win a single game of Heroes, ever, you fucking casuel.

>>2629197
I'M SPARTACUS!

how do i git gud?

>>2629972
Level Expert Air Magic for Haste, the best spell of the game, in Heroes 3 and use No Retaliation Vampires in Heroes 4 to clear huge stacks of camps who are obviously never going to get a morale boost or have a ranged attack.

>>2629972
edit the map and give yourself better stats and skills but leave it to level 1 so its fair

>>2630334
>>2630298
I'm talking about League of Legends, not whatever shitty games you are talking about. It's just so hard to main Nunu and Annie.

>>2630335
reddit.com/r/lol

Alright, let's talk about towns.
Favourite townscreen?
Favourite town theme?
Favourite town creature line-up?
Favourite town heroes?
Favourite grail?
Favourite town overall?
You can choose from any retro HoMM game.

>>2628410
Sweet, free HoMM7 beta key.
After you complete tutorial levels (2 of them IIRC) you unlock 5 different campaigns (one for each faction). All faction campaigns consist of 5 maps.

>>2630896
>Favourite townscreen?

Uhhhh, it's hard to choose, they're made nice so I like them all.

>Favourite town theme?

HoMM I: Barbarian
HoMM II: Necromancer
HoMM III: Tower, Inferno and Cove[/spoiler}

>Favourite town creature line-up?

HoMM I & II: Warlock to RULE THEM ALL.
HoMM III: if not Conflux, I think swampy town one.

>Favourite town heroes?

HoMM I & II: Barbarian
Homm III: too many choices. I don't remember them properly.

>Favourite grail?

Sure thing, Conflux one. Though Tower one is nice too.

>Favourite town overall?

It depends on the size of the map and a couple of other reasons. The only thing I can say that knights suck in HoMM I & II.

>>2630896
>Favourite townscreen?

Uhhhh, it's hard to choose, they're made nice so I like them all.

>Favourite town theme?

HoMM I: Barbarian
HoMM II: Necromancer
HoMM III: Tower, Inferno and Cove[/spoiler]

>Favourite town creature line-up?

HoMM I & II: Warlock to RULE THEM ALL.
HoMM III: if not Conflux, I think swampy town one.

>Favourite town heroes?

HoMM I & II: Barbarian
Homm III: too many choices. I don't remember them properly.

>Favourite grail?

Sure thing, Conflux one. Though Tower one is nice too.

>Favourite town overall?

It depends on the size of the map and a couple of other reasons. The only thing I can say that knights suck in HoMM I & II.

>>2630896
>Favourite townscreen?

Uhhhh, it's hard to choose, they're made nice so I like them all.

>Favourite town theme?

HoMM I: Barbarian
HoMM II: Necromancer
HoMM III: Tower, Inferno and Cove

>Favourite town creature line-up?

HoMM I & II: Warlock to RULE THEM ALL.
HoMM III: if not Conflux, I think swampy town one.

>Favourite town heroes?

HoMM I & II: Barbarian
Homm III: too many choices. I don't remember them properly.

>Favourite grail?

Sure thing, Conflux one. Though Tower one is nice too.

>Favourite town overall?

It depends on the size of the map and a couple of other reasons. The only thing I can say that knights suck in HoMM I & II.

How do I play as a necromancer in HOMM3?

>>2630841
litteraly the most jew hero

>>2630896
>tower
>fortress
>i think rampart is very nicely balanced good shooters two sturdy groups of heavy infantry (dwarves and treants), light cavalry (pegasi) heavy cavalry (dragons and unicorns) medium cavalry (centaurs)
>walock because of all that spellpower gain
>soul catcher for the game bonus, the inferno one for aestetics, you know shit's fucked when litteraly satan is in your town
>castle, in every game because im boring like that

>>2631053
see >>2626476

>>2631053
Procure big stacks of skellingtons, then cast Haste on them.
Or Stoneskin if you want to wait for the enemies to come to you.

Oh, and get yourself a stack of liches and deathkniggits, they REALLY pull their weight.

>>2631152
> no mention of necro's best unit.

Necrobabbies really are the worst

>>2631053
>How do I play as a necromancer in HOMM3?

1. get skeletons
2. win

expert mode:
1. get Cloak of the Undead King
2. get liches
3. win

>>2631182
Vampires and Wights are nice, but you can get by without building up huge numbers of them.

Zombies are a decent meatwall, but they're really slow so ditching them for more movement on the adventure map isn't a bad tradeoff, though that'd be a bit later, as you can use all the fodder you can get early in a game.

>>2631076

>>2630975
>>2630978
>>2630980
>2x [Deleted]

Bet this is the Air Magic Cuckold's work.

>>2630896
>Fortress
>Stronghold or Fortress
>Dungeon
>Rampart I think
>Aurora Borealis or Airship
>Fortress or Dungeon

This is only HoMM3

>>2631053
Like other anons have pointed out, get skeletons and win. If you want to maximize your skeleton gain (and why wouldn't you) you can try getting your Necromancy to expert as soon as possible, get a Necromany Amplifier in your town and allow some random enemies to grow so you can get more skeletons from them.

Anyone here tried Bes' Portraits Manager mod? How do I install this thing?

Why is Stronghold (IV) so OP in small maps?

>>2631230
pic related

>>2631515
becasue Cyclops are too good to be true, massive AoE non relatable damage AND a ton of hp

/vr/, what is your opinion obout Equilibris mod?

Having a bad bug in the HD patch for HOMM3 complete. When I right click on a skill or artifact that was given by a map thing, the game crashes when I hot the checkbox. Don't check it and it goes along just fine.

Anyway to stop this? Using the latest build of the HD patch.

>>2631387
>Bes
Look for "modsmann.exe" inside the WoG directory. Use it to launch the game. Pic related. My crash-safe / fail-safe settings. Use it to launch WoG otherwise your WoG would autolaunch with all the default fuckstickery.

Sepinroth = Sepiroth!!

>>2632417
You = nerd

>>2631638
looks intresting but dadly dead

nice screenshot fam

wish i could take part in the world championship

>>2632687
Bet you're the air magic cuckold again.

Is the campaign for 3 and its expansions all worth playing. I got rekt at a mission where some chick is supposed to return to a town and gave up a year ago but i want more

>>2632694

are you the mentaly fatigued slowtard?

How do I git gud?

>>2633141

[Dungeon Starter - Shakti]
Day1: Mage Guild
Day2: Town Hall
Day3: Beholder
Day4: Upg. Beholder Evil eyes
Day5: Mushroom Ring (for increased trogs)
Day6: Citadel(for more increased trogs)
Day7: Castle(for even more increased trogs
Week2 Day1: Harpy Loft
Now go and steamroll some idiot AI enemies XD

>>2633164
My god, it's full of shitty advice.

>>2633164
For mine

Dungeon- the hero with the bonus to logistics Gunner
Day one - beholder building & hero
Day 2 - Medusa building
Day 3 - manticore building
Day 4 - extra week in case no harpy loft /experience bonus building
Day 5 - citadel upgrade
Day 6 - blacksmith
Day 7 - troglodytes bonus spawn building
Week 2
Day 1: Marketplace or harpy loft upgrade if main hero is in
Day 2 onwards aim for max castle and town hall

>>2633127
No, I am Tyris, the Human Female Knight.

>implying golems are for heroes and not for garrison defense

Homm IV question: what pick at each level in each town? I know that Genie>Naga and Cyclop>Ogre, but the rest?

>>2633645
don't play H4

>>2633638
That makes pretty good sense actually, given how they're slow and drop your travel speed.

>>2633728
They also have good HP and defense, so they can take a beating while your castle towers mow down enemies.

It also helps that attack spells only do 75% damage on them.

there is literally nothing wrong with HoMM4

>>2633435
m'lady
*tips helmet*

>>2633645
situational really, depends on the enemy you are facing, its just that cyclops and ginies are sooo much better than their counterparts

black dragons are better than hydras but they are very expensive

>>2633725
Shut up and go playing your 3. 4 is the best for me and game of my childhood.

I HAVE NEVER PLAYED 3.

>>2633990
4 was the (Heroes) game of my childhood too and I hate it today because I played Heroes 3 in my late teens.

>post yfw loading your save

>>2634207

>>2634207
Why would I have a face for this? Loading my save takes less than a second on my iMac.

ITT: Post the best custom map you ever made yourself.

Preferably Homam 3.

>>2628410
That's a ridiculously good deal.

>>2633645
chaos:
medusas>minotaurs
black dragns>hydras
order:
genies>nagas
titans>dragon golems
life:
ballistas>pikemen
death:
vampires>venom spawns
bone dragons>devils
might:
cyclops>ogres
thunderbirds>behemonts
nature:
elves>tigers
the rest is up to your personal choice. it also highly depends on your playstyle

>>2634364
>no Heroes 3, only the shitty bugged new version
>good deal

Maybe it's worth paying $1.00 for Heroes 4 on Uplay. I bought that in the previous Heroes bundle this year (mere months ago, pretty much the same thing).

>>2628452
>the only spells typically banned are TP, DD, and fly. my point is just that a good player will move the game so quickly that by the time anyone has L4 spells, the game is probably already decided, even on XL maps.

so why are these spells banned then? I don't really understand, everybody has a chance to grab them, it is a valid strategy

>>2633435
>Tyris, the Human Female Knight.

HOMM3 was ahead of the curve, having strong womyn

>>2633814
>there is literally nothing wrong with HoMM4

iirc there is a spell sanctuary that grants all your units invulnerability, abuse at your pleasure

Was HOMM2 unbalanced af? I mean paladins and crusaders were dying left and right to a simple lightning while even green dragons were chilling with their 200 hp and magic immunity.

>>2634838
Imagine an FPS game wherein each player has a 1 in 10 chance of spawning with an instant win button.
The instant win button is, obviously, fair. Whoever hits the button first wins. It's a pure test of luck and speed.

But the game is really boring if you get the button, and really boring if you don't. It's not a FPS, it's a roulette. You don't play a FPS for roulette mechanics.

>>2634852
How to win in any HoMM2 Expansion map:
1) Purchase a ghost
2) Congratulations

>>2634852
There was also the fact that the AI always went straight for ranged units first if possible. Even if it was pathetically weak and you had a gang of black dragons.

>>2634331
I posted mine once a few months ago but some guy here laughed at it and called it unattractive even though I put my heart and soul in it to make it look good.

>>2634847
Actually, it was extremely normal and common in the 90s, especially in Western RPGs and Strategy games, to have what you would call today "strong independynt womyn".

However, the feminists in video gaming never played those games (or pretty much any games ever) so they wouldn't know.

>>2634394
minotaurs can be better than medusas because they get that random chance to block hits

bone dragons are not neceserily better than devils, they are slower and cant summon ice demons

>thunderbirds better than behemonts

nigga what

>elves better than tigers

i'd disagree

>>2634838
>stronghold, fortress, castle
>everyoen has a chance to grab them

>>2634975
you had too many empty spaces and illogical placing

>>2635408
I filled the map as much as I could without it being too crowded and all the resources were placed logically from the cheapest to the most expensive ones. If I compare it to random map generator it had much less empty space.

>>2635412
tbh you might be a diffrent guy, post your map again

>>2635417
I don't actually have it anymore, I just realized. I changed my computer since then and I used an external hard drive to transfer my files. The thing is that I actually originally played Heroes 3 as a pirated version / just one .rar with the installed files but then I bought it legally on GOG.com this year and I decided "well I won't be needing this anymore, since I can download it any time from GOG Galaxy!!" and deleted my entire folder with the installed pirated copy of Homam 3 (which also had all my custom maps in it obviously).

It was a really good map I'm just needed to improve the writing. A lot.

This troglodyte method >>2633164
could easily defeat >>2633271

method >>2633271 only has more variety, but less strength. Also the trog method from >>2633164 also produces more gold

>>2635438
this reminds me when i lost a big map with lots of progress because of a mysterious courruption in the editor that would make it crash and unsavable. Had no backups too so it was gone for good.

Then again i think i have somewhat of a half complete map from before 2013 i never got to finish, wonder if i should give it a go if its still on my old computer...

>>2635447
Troglodyte here. I agree, we Troglodytes are the best.

>>2635486
*casts blind on him*
psh..nothing personnel...kidd

So what is the /vr/ approved:
Strongest town?
Strongest AtkDef/KnoSpell hero?
Best builds?

I'd say
1.Dungeon, 2. Stronghold with Crag, 3. Conflux/Necro
Crag Hack/Tazar, Jeddite
Crag offensive / Tazar Defensive / Jeddite earth magic / Quality mixed build (Crag with 50 ATK, 40 DEF, 30 Know, 30 SpePower, with Expert Earth, Air, Fire magic, Expert offense and archery with Golden bow, Expert Tactics and Armorer, with mixed units and Titans) - Yes i had this.

>>2635573
Trogs are naturally blind, kid. They are immune to it.

#REKT

>>2635594
Confux may be the best town. Amazing early game, good specific buildings (Magic University AND Artifact Merchant), very useful creature specials and insanely cheap T7 creature. Also, Planeswalkers have good chance of getting Logistics, Tactics and Offense which is nice.

Crag Hack, Tazar, Sir Mullich are brilliant (and hilarious) heroes.

I thought everyone uses the same build for everything (with maybe 2 skills changed here and there). Logistics, Pathfinding, Wisdom, Earth Magic, Tactics, Offense and Armorer are the skills I usually go for. Leadership, Archery, Luck and Air Magic are good too.

>>2619242
>worst set of heroes

what? they have cool djinns and human wizards and the great thing is that alchemists don't even need to buy a spellbook first.

>>2630896
>Favourite townscreen?
probably Stronghold
>Favourite town theme?
Stronghold
>Favourite town creature line-up?
Dungeon
>Favourite town heroes?
Ash, Geon, Sephinroth, Nymus, Rion, Gem, Xarxas, Astral, Ionna (? some female djinn it was, I don't remember),
>Favourite grail?
I don't know, I only got Fortress grail once and that plant was alright.
>Favourite town overall?
probably dungeon, least favorite is undead, they don't look great in HoMM3 and in 5 they are weird looking too. HoMM6 got them right.

>>2634853
these metaphors dont work, original post says the game is long over before lvl4 spells, so you could have a chance of 1:1000 instawin, which is not necessary an instawin. I would take a good starting location over it any day of the week and play the game instead of arguing about the one and true ruleset which is a slippery slope anyway like this thread demonstrates.

>>2635408
you pick your factions, you should factor that into your choice

>>2635438
if you vaguely remember it, you can make it again in no time, designing is way harder than implementing

>>2635594
The strongest towns are Necro and Flux by a reasonable margin, at least on M+ sizes. Other towns are more or less balanced.
Strongest hero is probably Crag (because of Barb skill tree), then Gunnar (overlords are also good) or Tazar. After that it probably is logistics/armorer specialists from other cities. Magic heroes generally suck, so i guess the best ones are those with relevant early game, so solmyr or the one with fire wall.
Im excluding necro heroes because they are kind of detached, but mostly good, the best being Galathran and Necro specialist naturally.
Best build is Wisdom/Air/Earth/Logi/Offence/Armorer/Tactics/Diplo prolly.

>>2635408
behemonts are too slow to really be good and you also get to buy more thunderbirds than behemonts weekly

>>2634838

TP, DD and fly are just too broken. DD and fly would allow you to access parts of the map without properly fighting creeps, TP is hands down the most useful spell in the game..

it reallly boils down to mobility being the #1 most important resource in heroes so therefore the spells that break mobility break the game

>>2635720

if you dont understand why TP/DD/fly are banned, i can tell youve never actually played homm3 multiplayer before. (hotseat with your capitol-rushing friends doesnt count).

they just impact the game too much. yes most games will be over by the end of month 1 but those spells are too good because of mobility. berserk on the other hand no one will ever really use, but it's not good enough to warrant banning. (or using at all really...) likewise expert slow/haste are great but neither lets you teleport into your opponents area/DD behind a stack of T7 monsters to grab relics.

diplo is also usually banned for similar reasons, doubling your army size without actually doing anything (e.g. RNG) is just too broken

>>2633164

dont do this, if the map has $$ on it (like jebus) just build as many high level creature dwellings as possible during week 1 along with citadel/castle if possible.

usually ideally you build t7 + castle before week one is over on jebus, but dungeon is probably the only town where this often isnt possible so up through t5/6 + castle is usually solid

you can build town hall > city hall > capitol later once you start clearing crypts, treasuries etc week 2 or 3.

also never ever build mushroom rings. lol

>>2635836
Yeah. Berserk is probably the single best tool against ridiculously outnumbering neutrals and - it's true - can help you pull off wins where no other spell could. However, in, huh -competitive- setups or just when two players have similiar skill, it all boils down to mobility, because if you have even one of these spells, you can pretty much always dictate when to fight and when to bail.

>>2635836
>yes most games will be over by the end of month 1 but those spells are too good because of mobility.

I can tell you are not into logic because you just keep contradicting yourself with that damage control

feel free to play however you want, hell edit the map and show us your high scores, but the way h3 is meant to be played is the last official release and not your house rules, please stop

>>2636061
I'm not that guy, but please explain what do you mean by that last sentence.

>>2636061
>but the way h3 is meant to be played is the last official release

You mean Ubi's one? :^)

>>2631720
please respond

No idea what's causing this.

>>2631720
>>2636095
Never have I even heard of this error, sorry Anon

>>2636061

>damage control
>house rules

literally any online homm3 game will ban TP/DD/fly/angel wings, etc.

this is not "my opinion", it's just a fact. i dont know what else to tell you.

for the record, i still play with those spells if i am playing single player all the time. i'm not saying they arent "fun" or "shouldnt be in the game at all", but for multi they are just too OP to play with.

and if you honestly believe that taking fire magic over earth + air will help you win games, this only further emphasizes that you have never actually played multi.

head on over to http://heroescommunity.com, tell them your opinions, and let me know what they tell you.

>>2636110
Not that guy, but I watch some streams of russian league (theres one guy who plays in english) and they allow those spells. But yeah, every sane player will beeline for them if possible and blue hat (that one that gives you all t5 spells) is one of the most coveted topy drop because of DD. But its generally pretty lenient ruleset, they allow necro and flux with some changes (no pixy/firebird upgrade, no vamp upgrade and no expert necro for necro specialists).

>>2636096
Maybe if I try to describe it better.

Let's say there's a scholar, you go to him and get your skill while you right click to check what it is before you hit ok. Strangely enough if you right click the skill and hit OK later the game crashes, yet if you dont right click it, it runs all dandy. Same happens in witch huts as well.

Like I said, this happens with the HD patch with HOMM3 Complete.

Oaky, I know that many of you hate H4, but what is your favourite town in this game?

http://strawpoll.me/5303699

>>2636163
I dont -hate- H4, actually first HoMM game I owned. And I vote chaos, because I was like 10 when the game came out and direct damage and dragons were the tightest shit back then.

>>2634838

They tip the balance of skill and luck far too much towards luck.

You can see the same problem in card games like Magic where if you were to truly play with unrestricted card rules, i.e. you can use any official MTG card ever printed, the biggest determining factor in winning or losing would be the opening coin toss to see who goes first and of course who has the money to buy the cards rather than any kind of skill. So the game as it is played in tournaments is in formats with different sets of ban lists. Some just use the latest cards while some only ban the most unbalanced cards. Meanwhile formats like vintage don't ban any cards but rather just restrict the powerful ones to only one being allowed ot be in a deck.

>>2619242
>- worst set of heroes
>>2635696
Exactly, Tower has Neela-chan who is like the third best Armorer hero (potentially even better than Tazar who can always get ruined by something much worse than Scholar if you get unlucky on Levelup - i.e. first levelup you must pick between Max Armorer or Basic Eagle Eye and on second levelup you must pick between Basic Learning and Basic First Aid.

Also, irrelevant but I just stumbled on this randomly when I wanted to look up the skill list on Heroes 3 wiki:

http://heroes.thelazy.net/wiki/Badge_of_Courage

Are you fucking kidding me, why was this never fixed? This is like the most OP fucking artefact in the game (considering it's cost and placement).

>>2636117
Could it be that you're running an older and faulty version of HD and you need to reinstall it?

>>2636194
Well, I'm speaking from PvP perspective, but alchemists are bottom-tier. That is because Alchemists have shit skilltree (too much magic skills wich are usually undesirable). Neela is workable because Armorer spec is that strong, but you almost always would rather have Tazar or even Mephala. Or just any Barb/Beastmaster/Overlord for that matter.

>>2617637
Was the ps2 game "HoMM: Quest for the Dragonbone Staff" a good representation of the HoMM games? I really like that game, still haven't beaten it.

>>2636203
No, I'm using the latest build from the site.

GOG installer auto put it in the x86 program files folder, but no idea how that could be a problem given that the rest of the game runs perfectly. Might try it without HD+

>>2636212
I -think- it is a remake of Kings Bounty, which was the precedessor of HoMM games. So it is likely to be simplified, whith little to no city management and less battle depth, but the premise is mostly the same - first 3 HoMM games were largery iterations on previous parts (with HoMM I being laregely based on KB), with III being almost universally regarded as the best in the series and perhaps the genre. Somebody correct me if im wrong.
And even if not, just play it, seriously.

>>2635873
So in other words Air Magic is only good in "competitive" (aka for autistic neckbeards) multiplayer games and useless in singe player (which is the majority of games played ever) and most multiplayer games that normal people play where Fire Magic shits on Air Magic from afar.

Here's a taste of the actual multiplayer rules these days, for those interested:

>2.2 Heroes-specialists of magic 4-5 level and Thant can use their magic against opponent in the following situations:

>2.3 Isra and Vidomina can't take Expert Necromancy. If they take it - player must dismiss these heroes during next 4 turns.
>2.4 If player rescue Mullich > 3 level or Isra or Vidomina with Expert Necromancy from prison - player must dismiss them during next 4 turns.

>2.5 No Red Rush (Red player can't attack Blue heroes or towns or guarded mines or flag Blue's unguarded town on Day 1 of ANY week using some NEW army
>2.6 No Hit & Run. Attacking hero can't flee in round 1 if he used some magic of direct damage. Defending hero can cast a spell and run away.
>2.7 No Joiners (you can''t join wandering monsters even without Diplomacy skill).

>2.12 Must Fight misplaced guards. If there is no guard between zones - you can move between zones.

>2.15 You can dig Grail after 5 week of game.
>2.16 No upgrade of 1, 6 and 7 unit levels in Conflux. Starting hero in Conflux must be random.
>2.17 No Necromancy Amplifier in Necropolis.

It makes me, as a girl, want to puke that there are people with so much autism (misogynists too probably) playing the game that I like.

>>2636234
No, even in single player Air Magic will probably shit on Fire Magic. I even pointed out that it also applies when two players of similiar skill battle. Fire is useful only (or rather, mainly) for either campaign walktroughs or Armageddon Squad cheese.
Also, nice bait at the end.

>>2636234
Wow man I just smh

how can anyone even have fun in these games??

>>2636243
>No, even in single player Air Magic will probably shit on Fire Magic.
Yeah, your Expert Haste is so much more useful against Zounds...! of neutral stacks thank Expert Berserk.

Just kill yourself you misogynistic loser.

>>2636247
O-kay then. Looks like you got me, shame on me I guess.

>>2636110
>this is not "my opinion", it's just a fact. i dont know what else to tell you.

you see, the only facts are coded in the binary of the game, designed and developed by its creators, everything else is subjective as are your or anyone else house rules.

I do not know why are you talking about the magic schools, I'm not your guy, and in fact, I agree with that, but it is an opinion.

Everyone is whining that necro is OP, conflux is OP, TP is OP, diplomacy is OP etc. There simply cant be that many OP features, first, anyone can pursue any strategy, second, they will just cancel each other out

>play everyone as necro

>>2636191
The organizer of the tournament is free to pick whatever rules she wishes according to her taste, but only wotc can change the rules and rebalance cards and debating that is stupid. Every popular game has updates, SC2, DOTA that rebalances things.
In the end H3 is a game of luck as it is. You really just go through the motions with very little planning. You get shooter stacks at your mines while your opponent is looting joocy utopias. Where is your fly now?

>>2636256

necro is OP, conflux is OP, diplomacy is OP, TP/DD/fly/angel wings are all OP. that's why most people ban them in multi.

if you want to call that 'house rules', fine, but that's like saying "well the NFL and CFL have slightly different rulesets, and i dont like the NFLs, so they use house rules"

its just how it is, i dont know how else to get this across to you

>>2636247
>Just kill yourself you misogynistic loser.
>>2636234
>(misogynists too probably)

what the fuck

honestly cant tell if i am being trolled

>>2636247

in 99% of games you will never fight zounds of anything

using berserk on a small stack of 5 T7 units, on the other hand, is next to pointless and a waste of a turn vs. using mass slow or haste, and is a far more likely scenario in any game, single player or multi

>>2636194
I love Tower but I have to agree with >>2619242 . Tower's creatures are sluggish as hell and its might heroes have serious problem with their skills. And that freaking creature cost. Jesus Christ.

>>2636429
There was supposed to be 'total cost', not 'average cost'. My bad.

>>2636234
Jesus Christ. I am so happy I don't play competitively.

>>2636234
Damn those rules are insane.

Air magic is still very good in singleplayer.
Getting up to 4 dimension doors in a single turn is amazing.

>>2636447
>>2636458
You know, those rules are actually pretty slim. They can be summed up to
>nerf Confulux
>nerf Necro and necro heroes
>no scumming
>grail restraint
And while they are a bit complex, they are arguably better than just banning 2 cities as a whole.

>>2636460
>hit and run & avoiding 'misplaced' guards (something the computer himself does all the time)
>scumming

multiplayer apologists are the worst

also not to mention that those autists are naturally extremely angry about "novice players" who "dare" to not know all those retarded rules and who "dare" to get bored when a turn takes more than 5 minutes for they do not realize that a 1v1 takes at least 9 hours when two autists fight against each other (they estimate 9-14 hours)

I guess being a NEET autistic retard also means not having a job / anything else to do in your life other than playing a dead game "competitively"

Knock knock.

>>2636503
*casts Expert Air Magic Haste*
*wins because we're playing autists multiplayer*
psh...nothing personnel....kidd

>>2636503
Fuck off Sandro im not letting you in you piece of shit.

>>2636510
CURSES!

Sandra is really shit in Heroes 4 though

just like all the other big names from 3

they all lost their uniqueness

>>2636535
Sandro wasn't top tier in homm3 either, but he was a legacy hero and a spooky skeleton

Thats all, Inferno is OP

>>2636570
I was demon framing with a necromancy specialist, 1 necromancy amplifier and necropolis grail.
Was neat.

Apparently this was the best idea CPU came up with after it learned dimensional door.

>>2636597
Jokes on you kid, you actually had to defeat that hero to win the scenario.

Now he has won.

>>2636597

>>2635438
Ok I found a link to an older version of the map I uploaded previously.

http://pastebin.com/X7QBd0aZ
**i use pastebin because it says it's spam if i link it directly

It looks similar but I haven't tested it out so it might be a bit too easy. Please no bully.

>>2636659
>Jokes on you kid, you actually had to defeat that hero to win the scenario.

Won't you win if you just take all his towns and wait a week, for the heroes to abandon the player? Or do you specifically need to defeat that hero in battle?

>>2636858
If you set the condition to defeat a hero then you have to defeat the hero.

>>2636471
You are so ridiculously angry at the idea that people enjoy playing this game and pushing it to its limits in the highest possible skill environment.

>hit and run & avoiding 'misplaced' guards (something the computer himself does all the time)

You're not playing against a computer, you're playing against someone who is capable of outsmarting you. Levelling the playing field is just a nice way of subverting the otherwise inevitable Necro/Flux wars every single game and avoiding some of the poorer or less suitable design choices.

You're the only angry one here.

>>2636926
more like you're the only multiplayer apologist here

'outsmarting' has absolutely nothing to do with hit and run and avoiding guards

that's actually part of outsmarting,smh

just because you enjoy your 15 hour long games on a tiny map doesn't man that normal people do

>>2636926
>enjoy playing this game and pushing it to its limits in the highest possible skill environment.

kek

>>2636936
>hit and run
You keep saying this, but in effect, every single use of it only prolongs a multiplayer game, since you have to keep renewing virtually the same fight over and over and over again for the sake of an exploit - and you already have said enough about autistic, smelly neckbeards with too much time on their hands. Hypocritical.

>avoiding guards
These are a result of the random map generator being flawed, as misplaced guards are an RNG hiccup and, again, it's in the best interest of people playing multiplayer to level the playing field as much as possible. I do not see anything wrong with this.

>>2636978
>You keep saying this,
i don't keep saying this, that's literally what's written in the rules explicitly how they call it
look man you clearly suffer from autism and you are already extending your turn to 120 minutes now, which is understandable and perfectly normal at your high levels of plays, but i think even your elite Patient Partner(tm) wants to get his turn now

>>2636982
>i don't keep saying this, that's literally what's written in the rules explicitly how they call it

which is never something that I argued about, we're talking merely about you taking an issue with it

>look man you clearly suffer from autism and you are already extending your turn to 120 minutes now, which is understandable and perfectly normal at your high levels of plays, but i think even your elite Patient Partner(tm) wants to get his turn now

I don't even play this game online - not my cup of tea to, indeed, wait for the turns - but the few spats I've had with people made me appreciate it more and taught me a few tactics which a typical single player person just does not get a chance to know. Multiplayer teaches you some good playing habits. A guy who only plays MP on Sundays will win pretty much every time against a guy who can brag about beating Adventures of Jared Haret on 200%.

>>2637001
>I don't even play this game online
then listen to the advice of this great singer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-V82PKea58M

>>2636234
>>2.5 No Red Rush (Red player can't attack Blue heroes or towns or guarded mines or flag Blue's unguarded town on Day 1 of ANY week using some NEW army

>>2.7 No Joiners (you can''t join wandering monsters even without Diplomacy skill).

>>2.12 Must Fight misplaced guards. If there is no guard between zones - you can move between zones.

>>2.16 No upgrade of 1, 6 and 7 unit levels in Conflux. Starting hero in Conflux must be random.

>>2.17 No Necromancy Amplifier in Necropolis.

These are perfectly reasonable though.

>>2636806
>come to water magic hut
>says it's been abandoned for some time
>but I dont have water magic

SHIT MAP

>>2637219
That's a weird bug.

>>2636862
But that's just it, the hero gets defeated anyhow. Or does the game tell you "sorry someone else defeated that hero, you lost"?

>>2637279
i

>>2636163
Haven, i liked the cavaliers becasue of their large numbers and cheap cost

also only reddit hates heroes 4
>>2636234
tbh necomancy is overrated
>muh 30 skellies after battle

>>2636806
it is too empty anon

look at how plain and boring the dirt regions look, they might aswell be corridors
green's mines are placed way too close and conviniet

the rough barbarian area is like that too, also having monsters that will always fight you just gets annoying, want me to beauty up some regions?

>>2637335
>reddit hates heroes 4
so now we know where you come from. explains all the tbhs smhs and fams.

>>2637335
>necromancy is overrated
>only retards hates heroes 4
>tbh
Please shitpost less.
Thank you.

>>2637380
*casts Expert Haste on himself, the strongest spell in multiplayer and hence obviously the strongest spell everrrr*
psh...nothing personnel...kid...smh tbh fam

>>2637383
*casts Expert Berserk on your Hasted units before they can make a move*
*they kill each other*
*teleports behind you with expert water magic and slices your head off with his kataner*
Fire+Water best combo

>>2637404
*dimension doors behind your hero and takes your town and steals your new week dwelling before town portaling back home to safety*
Earth+Air, now that just ain't fair

>>2637538
>*dimension doors

HAH, that's exactly what I wanted you to try. Now the Elder Gods (who have banned Dimension Door from all multiplayers) will infuse me with their power and I can defeat you where I could have not before, Shao Kahn. If only I didn't have to kill Liu Kang to do this. Oh well. *shrugs*

HOMM4

>terrible interface
>balance issues
>bad graphics
>basically an unfinished product they rushed to shit out because moneyz
>implying it's even pre-2000

The series ends with 3 guys.

>>2637695
I still liked HoMM IV. It's worse than III for sure, but I occasionally still play it. It has the best adventure map in the series if nothing else.

How do I into \VI? There seems to be a shitton of versions and patches.

>>2637695
it's a great game you can clear huge stacks of units with your No Retaliation Vampires (can be sekretly built by all factions somehow) hit and run who are also immune to ranged attacks and slow down all faster units than them and prevent spell casting :^-)

>>2637726
You just dont.

>>2637726
If you want to play Heroes with better graphics, play Disciples 2. The graphix there are just... I nutted.

>>2637741
What the fuck are you saying m8?

>>2637747
Sorry I was Expert Hasted I wasn't thinking straight...was thingken of fast..........

>>2637748
>>2637741

H4 not even once

>>2637756
Actually these guy is just (probably) one of the autists who argued that fire magic is better than air magic and now want to push this meme into every fucking discussion.

>>2637758
Fire Magic is better than Air Magic though. It's an objective fact.

>>2637759
Earth Magic is better than both

>>2637764
Yes, I agree see >>2623619
>Doton >> Katon > Suiton = Fuuton

>>2637764
I cannot disagree, earth magic has the best of all worlds really.

>>2637764
It works much better with a high spell power hero though. Unlike water and air which are more independent of SP. For a "might" hero I go with water.

>>2637771
Could you elaborate? I dont really see it, unless Im just missing something.

>>2637773
Water is more about enhancement with high base numbers, air/fire/earth is about damage or enhancement that is highly dependent on SP (like resurrection).

>>2637776
Ok this post gave me cancer.

>>2637776
Not really. It's true when it comes to animate spells and to damaging spells, but every school has damaging spell and it's not really a main draw of either of them (you just work with whichever you have at the time), however the best spells from all schools (haste, DD/fly, to lesser degree precision / berserk / slow, shield, TP / bless, dispell, prayer) are not depended on sp besides duration, which is almost universally the same for all schools.

>>2637703
I unironically liked some of the campaign stories

>>2637790
I agree, Half-dead campaign was in particular really well-written.

>>2637790
The story in II is genuinely good and engaging.

>>2637338
>>2637380

>europe is beeing fluded with milions of niggers
>blacks in america are gonna overthrow the whites like they did in haiti
>not learning nigger speek for when the white race gets elimnated
tbh smh fam, its like you guys want to get killed

>>2637695
its still decent, stop beeing a ubicuck

>>2637759
as seen on www.reddit.com

Favorite non-custom map?

>>2636471

you realize that you can play competitive multi sometimes, and other times play whatever the fuck you want, right? they are not mutually exclusive. the irony is you used the word 'autists' in your post.

>>2636936

>i am terrible at homm3 and enjoy rushing capitol against the AI

that's fine kid, others enjoy playing it competitively, and some even enjoy doing both from time to time.

>>2636659
I continued that scenario and I just had to wait around a week or two for them to regen the spell points to warp out.

I had fly and dimensional door on my hero, but that spot where the CPU got stuck was a single tile, so it would've been a softlock if above hadn't been the case.

Still found myself quite amused, though.

Jesus this thread is horrible.

For all of you who enjoy the poorly made, non-retro game "Heroes of Might and Magic 4", please return to your home in /v/ where you can call each other cucks and niggers and use anime avatars to your heart's content.

>>2638112
I'm sorry your feelings got hurt by people liking what you dislike

>>2636256

Just because there is elements of luck doesn't mean that the entire game is about luck. better players will lose fewer units, get more resources, more more efficiently on the map and so on.

>>2637759

i bet u beat the AI every time with ur epic strategy

>>2631638
are there new campaigns in that mod?

>>2638073
and by 'others' you are of course referring to literally nobody in this thread

>>2638112
>Jesus this thread is horrible.
it's all been ruined single handledly by that smh/tbh/fam spamming turd who just came here over form reddit to defend Air Magic, which is the worst school of magic in Heroes 3 if you're not playing autistic multiplayer (="competitive" multiplayer) which nobody here does, even HE HIMSELF said that he never played it

>>2638370
>he has to reply twice because his ass is still so hurt
it is an objective fact whether you like it or not

See
>Fire is strong against wind because the air feeds the flames but weak against water because it cools and smothers them.
[source: http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Fire_Release ]

>>2638784
Oh yeah? I have a Sharingan (Expert Eagle Eye) so I can cast back any spell my opponent throws at me!!

>>2638784

i am not the dude spamming anything, and air magic is objectively better than fire in single player or multi barring highly specific maps like the armageddon's blade on you seem to repeatedly reference (>muh 9000 naga queens).

multi is worth bringing up because in single player you can win with virtually any arrangement of spells or skills. it. does. not. matter. what. you. use. you can beat the AI handily even by giving them a week head start. in contrast, playing against another person with fire magic vs air will end in you getting beat virtually every time. end of story

>>2639013
>and air magic is objectively better than fire in single player
Ok this is just pure retardation. Air Magic is even worse than Water Magic in single player. You are just a sore loser who doesn't want to admit that the school is useless outside of autistplayer. All I need to do is pick up Loynis from the Tavern and Air Magic lost the only spell advantage that you circlejerk here over. On top of that, Water Magic also has Mass Bless, Cure/Dispel, Teleport and Clone. Air Magic? Nothing. You cast haste, wow you have a +1 speed over my Prayer which also gives me +Attack and +Def, that is definitely gonna make a difference you fucking cook.

I bet you fucking turd (and I know you're the same fucking guy, you keep typing just like him) didn't even ever finish Adventures of Jared Haret on 200% just like you never fucking played the "competitive" multiplayer that you keep jerking off here. You are the worst poster who ever posted in these threads and I hope you die of cancer. End of line.

>>2639050

>cure, bless, teleport, clone

am i being trolled?

did you just pick up homm3 for the first time this week?

i am genuinely confused

>>2639142
no, you are genuinely shit at this game

you keep talking about it without ever actually having played it (either the multiplayer - you admitted that yourself - or any single player hard scenario on 200% - that is obvious from you implying Air Magic is anything but the worst SP spell school)

>>2639050
>Air Magic? Nothing. You cast haste, wow you have a +1 speed over my Prayer

Haste gives you a way bigger bonus than Prayer, and given that whoever has higher speed will attack first, this can mean that you kind of won the battle.

Also, air magic has Lightning and Chain Lightning, some of the best attack spells in the game. Plus Counterstrike (rarely used but it can be absolutely hilarious), and DIMENSION DOOR AND FLY.

I think it's retarded to argue whether Air or Water magic is more useful. Both of them are better than Fire, and worse than Earth magic. Beyond that, any area where they are better or worse are situational.

>>2639305
>Haste gives you a way bigger bonus than Prayer,
ONE

YOU RETARD

+4 VS +5

KILL YOURSELF

>>2639331
One point of speed is a major difference.
I waited and have higher speed, so you have to kill yourself first.

>>2639346
>he says, with his 9000 Hasted Peasants, vs my 30 Prayered Archangels

psh.....nothing....personnel.....................................................kidd

>>2639050
>>2639159

I bet you fucking turd (and I know you're the same fucking guy, you keep typing just like him) didn't even ever finish Adventures of Jared Haret on 200% just like you never fucking played the "competitive" multiplayer that you keep jerking off here. You are the worst poster who ever posted in these threads and I hope you die of cancer. End of line.

We're actually two different posters and I don't see any similarities between the way we write.

Also - consider the fact that Expert Haste gives you opportunity cost. Consider that it's much, much easier and faster to get a level 1 spell like Haste (especially if you get a Scholar hero or just visit a Shrine, you might not even need a Mage Guild), and even a might hero can get a magic specialization as early as level 5. It's not unfeasible or unheard of to have Expert Air or Expert Earth very early into the game. Having either of these magic schools experted gives you powerful spells which will either pave way for your non-retal and/or shooting stacks (Mass Slow) or allow you to reach large shooter stacks within the first round (Mass Haste).

You bring up Loynis. He's not a particularly good hero and his magic hero nature will naturally make him weaker against any might hero, who not only will have plenty of spell points to cast all sorts of magic, but also stronger Attack and Defense than Loynis, prayer or not. If we're to make a more balanced argument, then why not bring up Terek or Cyra, who not only are arguably more useful than Loynis (Cyra brings Diplo, which is really strong, and Terek is a Battle Mage with their amazing stat progression and high chance of getting Earth Magic) and whose Haste will definitely be stronger in terms of speed than Loynis' Prayer?

Really, dude, chill. There's like 3-4 people in this thread saying the same opinion as myself and you're the only one who calls people retards, throws tantrums and makes projections. You're the one making this thread all the more toxic.

>>2639351
>take 9000 Peasants
>put them into the Skeleton Transformer
>Haste the effect
>shit on the Archangels

:^)

>>2639353
Nice copypasta dude. Are you a Navy Seal too?

>>2639353
Don't forget that expert prayer indicates the usage of two skill slots, one for water magic and one for wisdom.

>>2639363
Oh the humanity!! Who would ever want Expert Wisdom since the game was designed by the devs to have all spells 3 and above level banned (well the good ones at least).

Oh wait, I forgot, only autist cucks from Slavlands ban Town Portal, Dimension Door et al.

>>2639373
You might go entire games without ever using high level magic depending on the scenario, both in SP and MP.

I can't imagine giving a hoot about high level spells on maps like Barbarian Breakout.

WIsdom is just situational.

All spells of level above 3 aren't banned. In fact, off the top of my head, Ressurection, Implosion, Chain Lightning etc. enjoy quite a lot of use.

>>2639382
>In fact, off the top of my head, Ressurection, Implosion, Chain Lightning etc. enjoy quite a lot of use.
Wow, how can you justify that?? RIOT PLEASE!!

>>2639331
>ONEYOU RETARD

+1 difference means that my troops attack first, and they rush down and eliminate 90% of your forces before you can even move. Your only options remaining then will be Armageddon or Retreat/Surrender.

So yes, +1 difference in speed is huge.

>>2639387
Combat spells don't have any restrictions aside from the rather understandable rule to prevent endless hit'n'run cheese with Armageddon + high level mages (which kind of skews the game towards artifacts like Shackles of War and is overall not fun to play against or watch). You are free to use these spells because they offer a solid combat edge without entirely dominating the flow of the game. Spells like DD, Fly and Town Portal, on the other hand, offer a strategic, world map choice whose mere inclusion skews the game towards their introduction; these overworld spells end up encouraging turtling tactics and/or a particularly mean luck element (a scroll of DD/Fly in a random stash isn't something that a human player can prepare for in advance).

You should play some Hot Seat with some friends, it's great fun.

>>2639409
>+1 difference means that my troops attack first,
Yeah...they sure will.

>I'm playing Castle
>He is Fortress
>I cast Prayer first because I have an Archangel...he has a Dragonfly

Personnel, etc.

>>2639438

>I'm playing Fortress
>He is Castle
>I cast Haste first because I have an Archangel of my own from a Castle I got or upgraded a Griffin Conservatory reward in an appropriate fort or I have a shitload of +speed artifacts or an even faster unit like a Phoenix etc.

The above is also very probable. If your argument hinges on building more and more strawmen, it's not worth replying to.

>>2639457
Well that's really cute but I am also Sir Mullich (had him from Day 1 because I was Castle at the start, duh).

Oh and your Archangel got a bad morale when his turn started, oops! Too bad!!

>>2639478
Strawman.

I can't find the option to make a random generated map in Heroes 4. Where is it hiding?

>>2639490
What strawman? If I'm Castle, I will pick Mullich. Your Archangel's morale was irrelevant, he's already dead.

>>2639497
It's the same as when you proposed likely battle scenarios like 9000 Peasants vs 30 Archangels. You simply won't have Sir Mullich/Castle in every game.

>>2639501
then ill just teleport behind u irl and rek u with my kataner kiddo

>>2639492
In Heroes 4?
There was never such a feature.

>>2639416
>nerf high lvl spells
>magic heroes are worse than might

seems about right

>>2639605
Why did you take it away??

>>2639604
Might heroes have access to the exact same spells. The problem is with the nature of the game. With all the endless +Knowledge artifacts and effects like Dungeon's Mana Vortex, and all sorts of other spell enhancers, any Might hero will be a competent Magic hero. A Might hero can also completely shut down a Magic hero with artifacts like Orb of Inhibition, but that's a fringe case, although a mage doesn't have anything comparable. He will usually suffer less losses (better physical stats) throughout the game, have better secondary skills offered (Offense, Tactics, Armorer are more likely to be offered to a Might hero and they're still guaranteed to get a magic school, Magic heroes often get duds like Eagle Eye and Mysticism). Some spells, even Blind and Berserk, can be completely nullified by the mere virtue of carrying some random trinket artifacts with you. The fact that you can only cast one spell per up to 7 monster turns discourages blasting.

So, even in a completely unrestricted game, might heroes rule.