/vr/ - Retro Games

>>2611789
Infernal Machine > Fate of Atlantis.

>>2611794
yeah no.
Adventure game with solid art direction>fucking jumping platformer with shit puzzles

>>2611789
If the 4th movie had released in 1992, it would have been GOAT.

Released in the wrong time period.

>>2611794
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I oughta slap you

Why was there never a Lucasfilm Games/Lucasarts Star Wars adventure game?

>orichalcum is precious the entire game
>get to atlantis
>get machine running
>so many beads the game stops telling you how many you have

>>2612052
That's a good question, honestly. They made approximately one gorillian other shitty Star Wars games.

>>2612065
It always does in the floppy version (which I think is the best, since I don't like voice acting in this game), the max you can possibly carry is 121 without cheating.

Anyway OP, great game indeed. What is your favorite path? Did you know a group of fans are trying to remake it? Some screens look especially hideous to me, can't even put my finger on why. They're also probably going to butcher the god-tier synthesized soundtrack with some orchestra samples too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qCX-c93XKs

who /zakmckracken/ here?

>>2612186
Why would they mess with literal perfection?

The only thing that can make the original game better is proper music performed by an orchestra.

Nothing else needs tampering with.

>>2611789
Loom.
Also, what would be the best version for the music?

>>2612037
good joke.
>>2612052
It almost happened actually.

>>2612196
Take a look:

http://remakeofatlantis.blog_spot.it/

I get they want to create a definitive version but I would've just left well enough alone. I also don't think the soundtrack would be performed well on an actual orchestra, since most of the tracks are purposely going for unrealistic effects to create music (like the drops in Knossos labyrinth or jungle sounds in Tikal). What I mean is, a competent director could try to replicate synthesized sounds by mixing various instruments to get different attacks and sustains, but it would eventually feel poor compared to the original I believe, best bet would be doing a partial recording and then mix the rest with synthesizers to try and get close to the perfect soundtrack. Also, which one would they try to replicate, MT-32 or Adlib? Because most tracks are totally reinterpreted in each version.

>>2612198
Definitely Adlib/OPL2. Although the music was composed on an MT-32, extra care went into making the OPL2 version sound the best, which often resulted in further developing the tracks or finding or finding their own soul/personality for that specific synth going as far to even change instruments, and what feelings the track originally conveyed.
MT-32, while good, sounds like an unfinished beta soundtrack in comparison. This also happened in Monkey2/DOTT, although in Monkey2's case the MT-32 soundtrack nails it so much it overshadows any improvements they made for the OPL2 tracks.

>>2612316
http://www.mirsoft.info/gmb/music_info.php?id_ele=MjA0Mg==
They have: GM, GMV, MT32 and original(?) midi.
What should I do with BassMidi driver? The beginning of the opening doesn't feel too nice imo.

>>2612330
Whoops, I thought you meant FOA.

Those are basically Tchaikovsky's tracks, so I guess it depends on your timbric taste, but I would highly recommend MT-32, since it's the official version actually played in the game.

>>2612186
How can you not like the voice acting in this game?

>>2611789
>Also orders of magnitude better than the shitty 4th movie.
>tfw that was never made into a movie
>tfw me and my sis reading that comic and loving it

>>2612394
It just doesn't fit the writing, I think the same applies to the first two Monkey Islands and Loom (except it was actually terribad in Loom).

>>2611789
Should have been an actual movie.

>>2611789
I seem to be the only person who grew up loving Indiana Jones and thinks Kingdom of the Crystal Skull was legitimately awesome and a good addition to the series. Actually better than Last Crusade in my opinion.

>>2612186
OP here
Honestly, I think Team makes for the best Indy story most of the way, but not as good gameplay wise since it's kind of Easy Mode.

probably my personal favorite P&C

>>2611816
>solid art direction
What does this even mean?

>>2612756
it means the backgrounds and textures don't look like literal shit.

>>2612762
If the best thing you have to say about a game is that it has good backgrounds and textures then kek.

>>2612203
>It almost happened
Is that so?

>>2612756
it means good graphics

it does look pretty good

>>2612832
This isn't even one of the better backgrounds. LucasArts could pull wonders with Deluxe Paint (FOA was the last game made without the use of scanners).

>>2612736
Originally there was only the Team path, which panned to all the available locations, until they decided to increase the replay value by having two more designs for the central part which split some locations accordingly, and this pushed the development time at least 6 months more than the original goal.

>>2612824
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4ET6yCBfiI

>>2612316
I'm not saying they should REMAKE the midi music with an orchestra. I'm saying that Lucasarts could've just given the game an awesome soundtrack like they did with monkey island 1 CD. If they had, then the game would've been perfect

>>2612186
I actually think the voice acting is surprisingly good for a 90's video game.

>>2612316
It looks like bad 90's prerendered graphics.

Am I the only person who HATED the intro I heard how amazing this game was long before I got around to playing it, I am a huge fan of the movies so I started up the game expecting the beginning of this epic adventure to be some sort of puzzle involving trilling high stakes adventure like disarming a bomb or escaping a crashing train, but no instead Indy falls from floor to floor like a Mr Bean sketch and yes I know it's point and click adventure game so you can't really do action sequences but I was at least expecting something like the start of broken sword 2 where you have to escape a burning house.

>>2612909
I see. Well, first of all I don't really like the CD soundtrack of MI1, since they inexplicably changed some notes/instruments and I'm not a fan of the synth they used to rerecord the soundtrack. It doesn't nearly hold up to the MT-32 original imo.

As for FOA, the way the music engine (iMuse) works would make mind-boggling any attempt at interactive tracks using CDDA, it won't ever work. You can achieve that nowadays by streaming digital tracks from the HDD, but there are some nuances which just can't be reproduced without using MIDI (as they also failed to do on MI2SE). iMuse was revolutionary for its time.

>>2612949
I didn't hate the intro, but I did find the tone in the first 1/3 of the game really offputting. I'm fine with comedy in these games, but it was too far in the realm of farce, with stuff like the scientist getting frozen in the ice and silliness in the jungle.

It gets much better once you choose your "path," and everything from the dig site in the desert onward is aces.

>>2613036
TLC was even worse in that regard I think. There's even talk and some evidence to believe that the recurring joke "Why are you wet?" and "Don't ask." were deleted scenes from the original script.

But what can I say, I'm all for a Threepwoody Indy, LucasArts decided to follow that path for most P&C adventure games.

>>2611816
>the kind of game I like is better than the kind of game you like
>children's opinions

>>2612949
Video games was mainly for kids in the 90's and kids like slapstick.

>>2612950
>Well, first of all I don't really like the CD soundtrack of MI1

I don't think we can be friends anymore :(

But I respect your opinion since you know what you're talking about. For me, I first played Monkey Island CD as a little boy. The game actually came with my SB16 card, along with a couple other Lucasarts games. I found the music to be very memorable.

>>2613185
S-Sorry if I kinda broke your feelings but I'm autistic as fuck towards LucasArts games and some of the CD changes were really puzzling (they also removed a couple of easter eggs), but I don't think it's that bad, and the ambient sounds are nice.

The music doesn't really change much, but just the fact that it does is enough to irk me.

>>2613216
I forgot to include an example of the most criminally altered track that I can think of:

Original:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeBJIl_naY8 (3:32)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWPa7BEIjqI (3:49)

CD:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rShSMeuLzSk

Special Edition because why the hell not (they also did the right thing and restored the original flute track):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWPa7BEIjqI

pls don't hit me, I got an SB16 card too but didn't get MI1 on CD
dat fucking slider game

>>2613185
>>2613216
I forgot to include an example of the most criminally altered track that I can think of:

Original:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeBJIl_naY8 (3:32)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipkkdjGymCQ (3:49)

CD:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rShSMeuLzSk

Special Edition because why the hell not (luckily they also did the right thing and restored the original flute track, some other tracks felt lackluster though):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWPa7BEIjqI

pls don't hit me, I got an SB16 card too but didn't get MI1 on CD
dat fucking slider game

>>2613304
that's my first time hearing the Floppy-version music. I quite like it.

Also, I think i got the game in a CD-drive+SB16 package. It also came with Loom and another game or two which I cannot remember for the life of me. Loom, I've heard, got chopped up quite a bit in the transition to CD.

>>2613360
>CD-drive+SB16

Me too anon, but I recall getting Grand Prix 2 instead. Maybe it was a regional thing.

Was it this CD drive by the way?

>>2613304
>CD

holy shit.
that's absolutely disgusting.

>>2613395
No bullying pls.

>>2613387
Holy crap, the memories.. I got a chill up my spine just now from seeing that CREATIVE logo.

Not sure if that's the exact drive I got (it was a 4x speed) but it was definitely a Creative

>>2613434
Well, the Sound Blaster brand is owned by Creative so it had to be theirs. Sorry if I can't give you a clearer pic right now, that one is pretty old.

Doesn't seem to open.

>>2614307
It is fairly linear

>>2614387
Doesn't seem to close.

>>2612756
It means that the visuals are of high quality due to whoever was in charge of the visuals didn't have his head up his ass.

>>2612949
I loved that shit, it's a simple and easygoing intro.

>>2613036
I personally think it's pretty consistently good over most of the game.

>>2614941
I can't pick that up.

>>2617805
I don't think that will work.

>>2612194
Yes. One of the best LucasArts adventures.

>>2617807
That'll just make a mess.

Indiana? Sounds like the name of one of your states, or of possibly a cat.

>>2612442

I don't think that would work.

>>2611789
Fate of Atlantis is a great game, but this "objectively" stuff is a bad /v/ meme.

I'd be really interested in some sort of insight on how LucasArts created their backgrounds back then.

I know that MI2 had physically painted backgrounds they scanned in, and I think you can tell. But the stuff before that?

>>2618708
/v/ policing is objectively worse than /v/posting.

>down in the dark hole in the dig
>feeling your way around
>feel ?
>feels like a hose, or a sleeping snake, I hope it's a hose
>feel sleeping snake?
>indy's face when

>>2618842
Policing of /v/ policing is subjectively worse than /v/ policing.

>>2618842
Any board board policing is shit.

>>2618857
Eat a dick.

>>2618610
I can't move it!

>>2611789

I always thought this would have made a great fourth film. I'll never understand why they completely ignored this game. Heck, even a Young Indiana Jones episode mimicking the events of this game would have been cool.

>>2621140
Because Crystal Skull was supposed to be the second movie for decades but Lucas and Spielberg could never iron out the finer script details.

More complete scripts for Temple of Doom were started and Skull was put on the back burner, but returned to the forefront after Doom wrapped.

Once again, nothing became of it, Last Crusade got scripted, filmed and wrapped, and they pretty much mothballed it. When they finally got all the principles in place to make Skull, it was years later than they had intended.

A great deal of plot elements from Skull still retain aspects of being set immediately after Raiders even in the final product. Note that most of (maybe all of) the stupidity of that movie comes from the aspects of the movie that had to be changed from being set in 1937 to 1957.

>>2621172

That does make a lot of sense when you say it now. If it was shot after Raiders it might have been a more memorable film. Hell, it's even got the Alien connection stuff that Spielberg was so crazy about at the time.

Damn man, never looked at it that way.

>>2620932
It's a greasy old towel.

Indiana? Sounds like the name of one of your states, or of possibly a cat.

>>2622445
Actually, it was the name of a dog.

>>2622457
Sophia!

>>2621175
Lucas has been obsessed with the legends about crystal skulls for almost as long as he's been working on Indiana. Maybe longer.

>>2612830
I love the indie adventure games but the graphics were nothing outstanding, even for the time, though since I'm dealing with lucas arts fans here I'm probably going to get a tirade of ugly hateful posts defending the graphics to ridiculous proportions as if they are the works of the bests artists of the world.

>>2618708
mentalities aren't memes, I'm really hating that for some reason every fucking tiny thing that is on the internet is suddenly a meme, the word is getting way over used this year and no one is fucking saying anything, dear fucking god, stop

>>2622667
Well are you genuinely suggesting that Fate Of Atlantis wasn't a beautiful game?

>>2622675
You fell for the meme meme my friend. Everything is a meme, nothing is a meme. Complaining about a everything being memes is as much a meme as Millhouse is not a meme is a meme.

>>2622667
No need to be this salty. We are only acknowledging the excellent art direction, which can be compared to any game regardless of its technological feats. While Infernal Machine had its own set of artistic touches by Bill Tiller (The Dig, CurseofMI), FOA had a way more characteristic color palette and sense of detail. I get these things were hard to get into 3D, but, although it looks dated, FOA aced its atmosphere so much you don't even care about pixel drooling because the backgrounds were so majestically composed. They also blend perfectly with the soundtrack and feel of the game so that's a plus.

>>2622675
Comported with the Dawkins definition of meme, which is the only proper one.

I love both Last Crusade and Fate of Atlantis, although the former has a higher camp/cheese factor. It has more of that Monkey Island touch and doesn't take itself as seriously as FoA.

>>2624887
That's mainly because of Ron Gilbert and David Fox's (Monkey Island/Zak) heavy involvement in the game. Noah Falstein was the more down to Earth fellow.

Is that a ship rib in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?

>>2621172
>>2621175
>>2622636
They also delayed it further because Spielberg felt that they couldn't upstage the spectacle of the aliens in Independence Day.

They finally got around to make it because Spielberg got sick of listening to Lucas naggings about making the movie. So Spielberg didn't exactly go in with great motivations and probably just wanted to be done with it.

>This game hasn't been ported to tablets
>This game hasn't been ported to phones
>This game hasn't been ported to the 3DS

The fuck hasn't this happened for already? It's a point and click game, it's one of the few games which actually jives properly with a touch screen!

This would be an EXCELLENT game to play while on a long car ride.
Shit, why haven't a bunch of old SCUMM games been ported to tablet?

>>2627571
Disney presumably owns the rights to them now and I guess they don't care.

>>2627574
Too busy with Marvel and Star Wars to give a shit about Indy, that last movie didn't exactly set the world on fire.

Anyways, isn't there a SCUMM VM for Android? I'm sure there is.

>>2627571
That'll just make a mess.

>>2612186
>It always does in the floppy version (which I think is the best, since I don't like voice acting in this game)

It's not as good as DOTT's voice acting, but it's adequate.

>>2627574
>find some decent programmers and pay them to make a tablet port of the talkie version
>it's a small product on the market so they can save money by just announcing they're releasing the port, gaming press will pick it up and talk about it, doing the advertisement for them, no advertisement costs, this will reach the very most of the audience this kind of project would be aiming for
>put it out in online stores for like 10 dollars
>thousands and thousands of people buy it

They could then do the same with a bunch of other old LucasArts point and click games, now, it wouldn't be a gargantuan cashflow for Disney, but it would be very modest investment which would generate a small, but still noticeable income for them, but also it would be a good looking PR move.

>>2627597
I don't really think it would, I mean, touch screens are iffy for a lot of things, but something like Fate Of Atlantis, basically the entire game can be played with the mouse alone, that's really easy to transition to a large touch-screen like a tablet with no real difficulties or problems.

>>2627656
>that's really easy to transition to a large touch-screen like a tablet with no real difficulties or problems.

I dunno, you lose the mouseover ability, and that's a pretty big part of scanning the screen and finding out what objects are and what's interactive even before you try to do anything. I guess you could just tap on everything in sight but that's more annoying than it is with a mouse, plus you lose the precision of knowing exactly what object you're pointing at. It's a nontrivial problem.

>>2627591
>Anyways, isn't there a SCUMM VM for Android?

Get this: cursor doesn't follow the absolute coordinates of your finger, you're supposed to move it like you were using a trackpad or something.

>>2628348
>Anyways, isn't there a SCUMM VM for Android?
Get this: cursor doesn't follow the absolute coordinates of your finger, you're supposed to move it like you were using a trackpad or something.

>>2627591
>Anyways, isn't there a SCUMM VM for Android?
Get this: cursor doesn't follow the absolute coordinates of your finger, you're supposed to move it like you were using a trackpad or something.

>>2612756
For example, Yoshi's Island had God tier Art direction. You can argue about its soundtrack or physics or length, but whoever was in charge of the art had a deep understanding of color theory and laid it out in a consistent, pleasing art style. That's art direction.

>>2627781
>mouseover
Aaaah shit! You're totally right, that is an issue!

Fuck, I thought I had a great idea ;_;

But wait, what if you just drag your finger over the screen where there is something/someone, and then the game gives you an indicator?

>>2628358
That sounds mega retarded.
Is it a software limitation or were the devs high?

>>2628438
I don't even think it's an official build, there's barely any Android related setting.

I figure it might also have something to do with multi-touch screens incompatibility.

>>2611789
This was honestly no where near as good as the Last Crusade game.

Indy's character model looked to buff and had no style, was too serious, they took out the fun bits like boxing and made everything really soulless, removing the swastickas (from the version i played at least) and recolouring the nazis to look like, well, nobody.

Fate of Atlantis sucked and I cried.

Loom was great.

>>2628483
>Indy's character model looked to buff

??? He looked pretty sleek to me.

>and had no style

At least he had some grace.

>was too serious

Seriousness is relative, I can't help but to crack up everytime some funny slapstick comes out of Indy and doesn't match his face. Same thing happened with Guybrush.

>they took out the fun bits like boxing

Boxing has been given new shape and it's a lot more exciting in FOA due to the music playing, what are you talking about?

>and made everything really soulless

It wasn't as cartoonish as the EGA version which is my favorite from TLC, but the use of color temperature was majestic.

>removing the swastickas

They didn't really butcher it like the German version of TLC, but they didn't change it too much, so Germany could get the same graphics.

>recolouring the nazis to look like, well, nobody

Nitpicky argument, since you only need to look at the clothing to guess they're nazis.

>Fate of Atlantis sucked and I cried.

I enjoyed having an adventure three times longer (albeit more linear) than TLC with lots of more animation and (interactive) music. Please give the game some other chance. Maybe you just need to drop the voice acting.

>Loom was great.

Nothing to say here, I hope you played the original EGA version though. Or at least the Turbografx CD.

>have Fate Of Atlantis on disc, talkie version and all
>sick of futzing with DosBox and mounting and all that shit so let's try this newfangled ScummVM
>find torrent of talkie version
>download it
>browse through the .rar
>comes with the soundtrack, a walkthrough, list of cheats, full scans of the cover and the manual, everything

This is beautiful, it's a full package, there are people out there who really do care!

>>2628881
>comes with the soundtrack

You mean that crappy rendition from soundtracks.mixnmojo.com? Kill it with fire.

>>2628887
I don't know where it's from honestly.

Goddamn trying to steer the submarine is aggravating as shit, finally did it.

>>2629597
Also, when I picked up the plunger, I expected at the least that Indy would make some smartass comment when you try to use it on the toilet chair.
He does when you just pick Use on the toilet.

>>2628483
Criminally shit taste.

>>2630851
you are crazy. TLC shits all over Fate of Atlantis.

I didn't make the mess, I'm not picking it up.

It's the stuff dreams are made of!

What's your favorite inventory items?

I really like the food items, like the sandwich, and I really dig the wax cat because I just like the idea of Indy lugging around a big chunk of wax in his pocket for no reason.

The crab trapped in the ribcage is fun too, because it's actually animated and you'll see it snap with it's claws at you in your inventory.

I truly wished Spear of Destiny and Iron Phoenix got point and click adventure games. Great comics though and LucasArts was even working on Indiana Jones and the Spear of Destiny before it got axed because it would be nearly impossible to sell in Germany due to the huge P&C market there.
What with the storyline of Hitler being resurrected. Iron Phoenix was barely in the planning stages before it got axed.
To me in an alternate universe Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis, Spear of Destiny and Iron Phoenix were the 1990's Indy Jones sequel trilogy.

>>2634083
Germany fucked everyone again.

They also gave us the green blood in the Doom GBA ports, and gambling has been removed from western releases of Pokémon because of the fucking krauts.

>>2611794
>implying

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=130Id_HKRxM

You don't pull a button

I can't move it!

>>2613395

He is a liar, they didn't change the main theme in the cd version

It's full of... air.

Sophia was one of my first waifus.

>>2643216
Hands off, Jones!

>>2611789
Agreed.

There are a few gripes. Team mode, specifically.
The end part of the maze in Crete was a bit obtuse. How would you know to use the orichalcum detector? Maybe I'm just dumb.
The ending felt a bit padded with that bullshit try-every-door maze AND the stepping stones, and the final conversation took some experimenting.

>>2613170
Adventure games are for adults, platformers for kiddies. It has always been so.