/vr/ - Retro Games

Deep Fear on the Saturn is great. I'd put it alongside the original Resi. Shame it wasn't released in NA and the PAL version is really expensive. Also the voice acting, good God - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iW5PpOH-O4o

>>2618180
>And I haven't played any Dino Crisis, how do they hold up compared to RE?
1 is comparable to a top tier RE game.

2 is not survival horror, but an action game with tank controls. It's fun as shit.

>>2618186
Thanks, starting DC1, seems good so far.

>>2618184
Thanks, I'll probably try it.

Are there really no other games like these besides the big franchises?

>>2618180

The "Obscure" series is on steam. Ive heard those are good.

>>2618454

ObsCure 1 is decent survival horror type game although it is devoid of tank controls. It's also co-op and best played with another human being. You got like a few characters with unique abilities but they can all die and they stay dead when killed so you get different endings depending on how many managed to survive to the ending. It captures the feeling of a horror B-movie pretty well.

ObsCure 2 is substantially more linear trash where anyone dying results in a Game Over so they can kill them off in a cutscene later. It's not great.

>>2618454
They're good but not Retro. Plus they're only really awesome if you take advantage of the co-op play which I'm guessing Stream lets you do online?

>>2618319
Another good lesser known example is Nocturne as well add the Blair Witch games. Try Deep Fear on Saturn. There's a ton on Playstation, Project Vampires, Galerians, and Martian Gothic off the top of my head. You might like the somewhat more arcadey offerings on Dreamcast like Overblood and Blue Stinger. There are some non retro indie games in the genre that are much newer, too.

>>2618186
Played through Dino Crisis 1 for the first time a few days ago. Definitely wasn't as good or scary as Resident Evil. I enjoyed myself though, the puzzles were great.

Also how come no one mentioned Parasite Eve 1+2?

>>2618468
Because they're not survival horror games

>>2618498
Thinking about it, you're right. Parasite Eve still had many similar elements, like tank controls, horror themes and even survival aspects to an extend.

What about pic related, is it survival horror?

>>2618509
Nope. All those games are testament to the groundbreaking success of the survival horror genre
> Let's make our J/S/ARPG feel like one of those survival horror games

>>2618509
Saw a video, it looks like what I hoped Parasite Eve would be.

>>2618468
PE is a square RPG moreso than a survival horror game. it doesn't have tank controls either, iirc.

>>2618509
Sort of.

You get random encounters like an RPG, but there are fountains scattered around in safe rooms where you can replenish your vitals, so initially, you would think no, this isn't survival horror, this is just a gothic-styled rpg.

Enemies can, in theory, be ground for item drops, but this is offset by the fact that every weapon your party can equip, even the Ultimate Dagger For Which You Must Do Several Special Things To Obtain, has a fixed and unknown number of uses before it becomes irreparably damaged. So in this sense, yes, it IS survival based because your resources typically dwindle down faster than you obtain them if you aren't playing smart, and could potentially leave your party naked, unarmed and lacking in restoratives, which is one of the basic design premises behind survival horror (as ill-defined as that term is).

>>2620328
It's an RPG where you fight chairs and tables. If you think any game with consumables is survival horror, whatever.

>>2618509
Epic fight music in that one.
https://youtu.be/eJsCLoz-dF4?list=PL7B8AEE4F9D6A5F34

I found Galerians to be an interesting game. Maybe lacking polish, a bit slow paced. I was enjoying it, but just stopped playing.

I think I got a (some) new games, and when I came back to Galerians later, I forgot most things and didn't bother continuing.

>>2620330
I didn't definitely come down on either side of the survival horror coin here, anon. I merely presented two contrasting cases as to how you could, or could not, define it as survival horror.

And I certainly didn't state that "any game with consumables is survival horror," and I'm sorry if you took that to be my point. What I WAS saying is that it's entirely possible, and even probable, that if you treated this game as you would any other JRPG you would quickly find yourself devoid of restoratives, armor, and weapons - things in this game being only theoretically infinite but practically finite in number. Your typical survival horror game places all of items out and it's up to you to manage them properly - Koudelka is similar in this in that item drops from enemies are both uncommon and not particularly valuable most of the time. You won't usually find yourself carrying around 4 or 5 backup weapons like you do in Resident Evil - you live weapon to weapon for most of the game, never knowing if that gun you just picked up is good for 100 shots before it breaks, or 2.

>>2618180

Here's the list (complete, because autism)

PSX
>Resident Evil 1-3
>Silent Hill
>Dino Crisis
>Countdown Vampires
>Ovberblood
>Soul of the Samurai
>Vampire Hunter D
>Evil Dead: Hail top the King
>Parasite Eve 2
>Nightmare Creatures 2
>Galerians
>Alone in the Dark: The New Nightmare
>Martian Gothic

Similar gameplay in one way or another, but not strict survival horror
>Covert Ops: Nuclear Dawn
>Fear Effect 1 and 2
>Dino Crisis 2
>T.R.A.G.
>Parasite Eve
>Koudelka
>Nightmare Creatures
>Clock Tower
>Clock Tower 2
>Resident Evil Survivor

Dreamcast
>Carrier
>Resident Evil CODE: Veronica
>The Ring
>Blue Stinger (sort of)

PS2 (because fuck you)
>Silent Hill 2-4+Origins
>Resident Evil CVX, Outbreak 1 and 2
>Fatal Frame 1-3
>Siren 1 and 2
>Clock Tower 3
>Haunting Ground
>Rule of Rose
>ObsCure 1 and 2
>Onimusha 1

other PS2
>RE4
>Onimusha 2 and 3
>Devil May Cry 1

That's what I can remember off the top of my head.

Nanatsu no Hikan: Senritsu no Bishou

>>2620378
Meanwhile the Call of Duty clones are at least 5 times as large as this list.

>>2620359
>I found Galerians to be an interesting game. Maybe lacking polish, a bit slow paced. I was enjoying it, but just stopped playing.
Weird, that's my exact impression of it as well.

LIT.
It's on WiiWare, but it's not a bad little game.

Kind of an obscure horror/adventure game, although it was released in PAL territories. Different enough gameplay to be interesting.

I really feel like more people should play Fear Effect than do

also I blame the terrible marketing campaign 2 had.

yes the girls are hot, yes they where gay for each other and probably had fantastic girl on girl sex, but the actual relationship between them was a lot more sincere than the adds would have let on and the whole game was far cleverer than they let people believe

Are you guys really posting PS2 games? Come on.

This is a Resident Evil clone for Saturn, the last game to be released for that system in Europe. It's actually pretty good.

>>2618468
Because, like DC, it doesn't have zombies which is the definition of survival horror ITT.

>>2620415
>the whole game was far cleverer than they let people believe
It really wasn't. The sexuality was extremely shallow and was obviously just pandering to teenage boys. The first one was passable, the second one was pretty awful.

>>2620410
http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/hellnight/hellnight.htm

>>2620424

yeah that's why the whole second half of the game is about exploring the girls actual relationship and why they together and why all the TnA and make out shit stopped completely when the story got full swing.

>>2620424
It's Resident Evil with lock-on aiming, what's so terrible about it? The only thing I hated were the many instadeath puzzles.

>>2620302
>>2618468
PE1 is an RPG with survival horror elements
PE2 is a survival horror with RPG elements

>>2620378
You forgot Illbleed for the Dreamcast.

If Blue Stinger's going to be on that list then Illbleed definitely should be.

Koukai Sarena Katta Shuki AKA The Note (EU)

Not great, but if you've played every other horror game on the PS, give it a shot.

>>2620459
not him
RE sort of had lock on aiming. When you pressed the aim button your character would align itself with the target. So if you wanted to not miss shots you would just press the aim button before firing.

My favorite thing about RE was finding weapon enhancements.

>>2620481
Oh yeah, that's true, you had to enable it by selecting control Type C though.

Playing Dino Crisis 2 on ePSXe right now. Huge slowdown during the underwater part. What's the recommended plugin/video setting to fix this? I have an ATI graphics card btw.

So far I'm really enjoying this game, although being able to auto save makes it so much easier to enjoy it. Where's Dino Crisis 4?

>>2620382
>comedy game
>in a survival horror thread

>>2618180
How about Countdown Vampires? It's one of my most favorite games too.

>>2621141
Play the PC version instead.

Make sure to play on Hard. You haven't played DC2 if you haven't played it on Hard.

>>2618180
Haven't played Dino crisis. Dino Crisis 2, as said by another anon, isn't quite the survival horror, but a mix between that and an action game.

First, you have high mobility, and can run and shoot at the same time.

The dinosaurs are pretty cool and the weapons have a real kick to them and are fun as fuck to use, even the smaller ones.

You gain money/credits by killing dinos and you use those to buy weapons, equipment and enhancements. This is where the game stops being a classic type survival horror, since in many areas the dinosaurs just respawn, leaving open the possibility of 'farming' credits.

What I like about Dino Crisis 2 is that it doesn't pretend to be a survival horror anyway, you just have to GO FAST, find keys and kill as much dino scum as you can, which is really damn satisfying because of really cool sounds and awesome blood effects.

There's also a coliseum mode where you can fight dinosaur battles.

Man I love Dino Crisis 2.


Sorry for my bad English.

>>2620480
I love this game. I'm a sucker for this kind of first person graphics on PS1, like Echo Night or ...Iru!
Also the main character is voiced by the same VA as Chris Redfield from RE1.

Only thing that sucked about the game was the rope "puzzle". That one spot you had to use the rope on... how was I supposed to know that?

>>2620474
Neither are survival horror and both are action j-rpgs (with a horror theme).
Tell me, what survival horror elements does PE1 have?
>3D models within 2D pre-rendered backgrounds
Even though this technic was created by survival horror, it does not equal to being survival horror. Plus, the way it's done in PE1 is closer to Final Fantasy VII than to Alone In The Dark or Resident Evil.
>literaly a couple of (simple) puzzles and keys to find
Like many other jRPGs. This is not enough to call it survival gameplay.
>Limited inventory
It's "limited" but actually quite huge, and many other jRPGs did that too. The limited inventory in PE1 is like FF4, not like Resident Evil.

PE2 is more hybrid and takes a little more from survival horror, but it's still quite far from it and nothing other than an action j-rpg with some hybrid elements.

>>2620417
I like Deep Fear, if only it wasn't so damn easy... the survival gameplay elements are so dubbed down, which is a shame because it has tons of good ideas. Like for instance management of air, good idea on paper, but in execution you're NEVER going to run out. Not even close.

>>2621147
That's not so farfetched, there are comedy horror movies. Personaly I consider Evil Dead on PS1 a comedy survival horror game. There is no way they were serious with that VA doing a chicken imitation every 2 mins...

>>2621141
>Huge slowdown during the underwater part

wait as in ACTUAL slow down because do you keep in mind you ARE underwater

>>2621190

good times

>>2621587
c'mon man, don't tell him

>>2621141
>Dino crisis 2 was literally 2 bucks on PSN not that long ago
>Still whining about emulators

I'm disappointed son.

>>2621587
I know, I meant slow as in: low FPS. I just switched over to a software rendering plugin and now it runs great.

That level is really awesome so far. Jumping around and shooting underwater dino's is fun and the art direction still holds up today. 8/10, would recommend.

>>2621603
I don't own anything by Sony that is connected to the internet. I do own a Playstation 2 and PSP though. I'm pretty poor I guess, but I still have more games in my library then actual time to play them, so I guess I'm alright.
And "piracy'' is convenient and emulating means quicksaving.

>>2621171
I'm already hours into the game!

>>2621596
Yeah man, that game is really nuts and has some intense moments.
The final fight is really cool, and killing massive lizards with akimbo sub machine guns never gets old.
Another thing I really appreciate about it is that the animations are really fluid.

The Twilight Syndrome series

>>2621758
Are those the Suda51 games? They're only in Japanese, right, no English patches?

Is it possible to play without being able to read the text?

>>2621797
Yes,Yes and No,it is strongly raccomended to know japanese since it is a text heavy adventure game.

>>2621797
Yeah they're Suda but impssible to play without knowing Japanese sadly. There was going to be a translated version released on the DS but the last we heard of it was 2010.

>>2618319
>Are there really no other games like these besides the big franchises?
Parasite Eve 1/2
The Devil Inside

>>2620421
Bullshit

>>2620424
but unlike recent REs which are just dat ass simulators for the most part Fear Effect was actually a decent game

>>2621436
Good point on PE, I was hesitant to call it an action game as it's a bit more slow-paced in line with most survival horror games. You're right though.

>>2618465
>There are some non retro indie games in the genre that are much newer, too.
L-like what?

>>2620504
Nope, this is standard in all Resident Evil games.

Can anybody tell me the best way to experience Silent Hill 2? I don't have a ps2 so it's either emulation or the pc version.

>>2622562
Not in Resident Evil 2. Or Resident Evil 1 until Director's Cut for that matter. RE2's auto aim was disabled by default unless, like the other guy said, you switched the control scheme to mode C.

>>2620378
Is The Ring really any good?

Seems like all I can find is universally bad reviews.

>>2622572
It's also on OG Xbox, that or the Greatest Hits PS2 are the best. If your PC can handle PCSX2, emulate the PS2 game. Don't upscale the resolution or do anything weird.

>>2620481
That shit is cheating - you can use the autoaim to determine if a corpse is a corpse or a zombie, or if the zombie you just downed is actually dead or playing possum.

>>2622635
Nope. It's pretty awful.

>>2620378
>>Onimusha 1
>Survival horror
I think the only thing that makes it "survival horror" is that it controls like Resident Evil. Honestly nothing survival horror about it otherwise.

Great game though.

>>2622135
Notably Amnesia: The Dark Descent but there are lots and lots. Horror is back, Bro. Check it out.

>>2622657
Exactly. I'm a huge fan of Onimusha trilogy though, it's like Dino Crisis 2.

If you're a fan of Onimusha, you must play the XBOX version. Trust me, I bought an XBOX for it alone and I was not disappointed. I hate the XBOX controller and it's unfitting for tank controls, so I used an adapter that lets me use a PS2 pad instead.

And to make this post retro, here is what Onimusha could have been like in PS1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvOFYZ5Cm2I

>>2622650
I actually remember having some fun with it once I figured out how it worked, same thing (to a bigger degree) with Illbleed.

>>2620421
are you retarded?

>>2622635
the soundtrack alone with drive you mad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEtwh-0KFoY

>>2620359
i'd stop also if i wasn't playing with friends so we beat it. it was okay.

>>2618468
<3 recommended!

>>2620415
also <3

>>2620428
fuck this shit!

>>2622789
>fuck this shit!
What about the later games in the series?

>>2622803
actually now i remembered i only played the second one, so fuck that one. don't know about the first one.

>>2618498
To be fair, OP did say survival horror-esque, so I'd say it fits

>>2622787

>IS THIS OKAY?

>>2620378
>No D or D2.

>>2622572
if you can emulate it, do so.
if you can't, the pc version plays and looks fine, it just has a few...issues without patching.

pros:
>can save anywhere
>has all of the upgrades from the Xbox greatest hits version

cons:
>long menu loading times due to how the tech was implemented. (can be fixed with patching)

>>2622641
dude, RE 1-3 have so many assraped mechanics that autoaim is a tiny smidge compared to certain other things.

for example, if you rapidly mash the run button, you'll glitch your walk animation and halt footfall noises. zombies trigger on footfall noises, so it renders you effectively invisible to the enemies.

>>2622641
>zombie playing possum

you can confirm that zombies are dead by the blood puddle.

>>2624551
D a shit. D2 is alright though.

>>2622753
>I'm a huge fan of Onimusha trilogy though

Hey. Fuck you.

>>2625373
I tried to get into this one. I really tried. It's absolutely fucking boring. They replaced the entire skill based gameplay system by RPG stats and level bullshit. There is a fuckton of shitty characters. It's full of endless terribly written "story". The level design is super bland.
They ruined the franchise.

Now I'm not even against the type of game this one was trying to be, see for instance I absolutely love Castlevania Curse Of Darkness, which is exactly the same type of game, except actually well done.

>>2622572
This might be usefull.

>>2620359
I liked the sequel alot despite non-/vr/. They had the balls to kill off the main girl and also the hero, twice.

>>2620389
cool character design

>Not strict survival horror
>Clock Tower

What? Did you actually play it?

>>2629065
He seems to believe survival horror is a synonym to "Alone In The Dark clones", as he says CT isn't survival horror but Parasite Eve 2 and Onimusha are, while it's the contrary.

In fact AITD clones was only a short period of the genre, for instance first person survival horror have existed for a longer time (and nowadays the majority of the genre and the most famous survival horror games are first person). Pic related, Zombi by Ubisoft, you probably all know its reboot on WiiU.

>>2620389
>>2629051
Never heard of this one. Neat. Wish I had a Dreamcast, though.
>>2620302
Parasite Eve decided to be clever in a way that they could use camera centric controls instead of character centric (tank) controls. No exit leads you to a wildly different camera angle One could argue that makes Parasite Eve's environments bland, but the result is that you don't get disoriented when switching to a different pregen background. This makes camera centric controls viable and it is why you saw this in a lot of RPGs.

Parastie Eve 2 has character centric controls, though.

>>2620426
>>2620410
Hellnight is honestly my favorite horror game. It's one of only two games to ever get my heart pumping Maybe me recommending that game over and over and over again on here actually worked on somebody