/vr/ - Retro Games

FAIT ACCOMPLIS BORE ME SILLY. I HUNGER FOR A WORTHY OPPONENT

>>2620580
What.

>>2620582
SO LONG WEENIE KING, WE WON'T MEET AGAIN

>>2620582

>>2620582
You're lucky to be alive. Pick up your livers and go!

It makes me so sad what happened to SNK. They made such amazing games, and King of Fighters was the best fighting game around for many years. Then they dumped all their money into the Neo CD and Neo Pocket, which were cool but doomed the company to be bought by Pachinko makers.

Now there's just a sad corpse left of what was once a great company and Playmore poops out ass ugly garbage like KoF XII and XIII.

I'm with you, Leona.

>>2620871
Hey, XIII was actually pretty good.

Although now since they're owned by some random Chinese company, you might as well kiss goodbye to a KOF 14 dream match.

>>2620871
Does that mean their daughters are in J-AVs now to pay off their debts to the Yakuza which they couldn't make good on

>>2620892
I've decided that I have to accept that there are people who are okay with XIII because otherwise the arguing never stops. But boy ohh boy do I disagree with you. Both gameplay and aesthetics wise it looks looking nothing like King of Fighters at all to me at this point. Look at Athena and Yuri here... gone is the cool stylish realistic look the games used to have. Now they look like sickeningly over the top moe fap bait. Also that you had to pay for DLC out of the box to get a colour scheme for Athena that looked even close to her normal ones made me rage. I say good riddance.

http://youtu.be/SOKRBCQTZDk

>>2620897
God, I hope so.

>>2620927
Come on, nice guy!

>>2620924
>Athena and Yuri

>>2620924
So much hate yet all you can say about the game is that they turned Mai into "fapbait".
Seriously?

Because athena totally was never moe fapbait before, no sir.
btw the bikini and schoolgirl outfits are references to her two arcade games from the 80s. This ain't nothing new.

>>2620924
>gameplay...wise it looks looking nothing like King of Fighters at all to me at this point

What does that even mean? Are you complaining about how it plays or just how the moves look?

>>2620927
AGAIN CHANGES TO HELL

>>2620952
Yeah, clicked on the wrong thumbnail but it all looks the same.

>>2620954
I think the complete change is aesthetics is pretty huge. KoF used to look unique and now looks like just another Korean fighter.

>>2620964
There were apsects of the combo system that I didn't like and the controls in general felt strange. More like Gulity Gear than traditional King of Fighters. But also that said, I only played the game for about a week before my disappointment in the game outweighed the price I paid for it and never touched it after that.

I still have all the old ones, and I like playing with a Dreamcast pad the most anyways so it's not a huge deal. But it just makes me sad that it's another old franchise I used to love, but the new entries in it are completely different from the games I enjoyed in the first place.

See also: Tomb Raider, Castlevania, Final Fantasy

>>2620871
They were recently bought by a chinese company.

http://www.gameranx.com/updates/id/29886/article/snk-playmore-acquired-by-ledo-ip-going-marvel-but-heading-to-pachinko-first/

>>2620527
lmao

>>2620963
Don't combine KoF 2000 graphics with Garou backgrounds unless you want to reveal your MUGEN-ness...

>>2620963
Not that guy, but I don't like how Athena was somewhat moefied starting from 2002 with those huge eyes either. Many of the new NESTS characters looked stupid enough by their own, but then big eyes Athena was the beggining of the end for the aesthetics of legacy characters. They did the same to Yuri in 2003, but it's even more offputing because many of her animations still have the old face.

They also forgot the "martial artist" aspect of the character and went too heavy with the pop star part. Earlier designs mashed both aspects perfectly and that's why she was so cool, pic related.

Why do you post a mugen screenshot though?

>>2620924
You can actually unlock the colours for free just by having enough playtime with the character.

>>2620583
ABSOLUTE KARATE, THAT'S KYOGUKEN.
AND DON'T YOU FORGET IT, DWEEBINHEIMER.
>>2620927
"I'm destined just to die."

>>2621034
pffft, rip in piss

>>2621034
why didn't capcom buy them?

>>2621425
with what money, Sony's?

>>2621425
Capcom doesn't make fighting games anymore, SFIV is actually by dimps or whatever.

>>2620924
What do you mean by "not playing like KoF"? The removal of small/super/duper hops and jumps?

>>2621429
everyone becoming a rushdown character and playing nothing like previous iterations, for one.

>>2621429
>>2620964
Honestly, I can't describe it very well because I played the game for maybe a week at most before never touching it again and that was like five years ago now.

By far the biggest thing was the change in character designs. I really liked the look of the older games, where people were exaggerated but still proportioned more or less realistically.

The new designs really do look to me like they took Falcoon's fan art and made that the basis for the actual sprites. I actually like his work, but I don't think the style fits when put in the game. Not just the female characters either, I don't like that Ralph, Takuma etc are now cartoonishly massive. I fully cop to that being my extreme pickiness about aesthetics, but I love the look of the older games and hated the look of this one. It's my bad for just buying it blind and not even looking at screenshots.


So all that said I went into the actual game with a bad taste in my mouth. But something still felt just off somehow. The cancels felt weird and a few other things like that. Had I liked the way the game looked I might have stuck with it, I'm quite fond of 2000 and 2001 even though they're not generally liked. But I didn't, and I'm the type of person who only keeps playing a game if I really love it so that was the end for me.

It's all good though because two years later, Netherealm who's games I'd never been too fond of released a superhero themed fighter that ended up near perfect for all my weirdo tastes and keeps the fighting games part of my brain happy to this day.

>>2621509
Injustice?

>>2621509
It's alright, it doesn't matter anyway since SNK is dead.

>>2621512
Yeah, I don't know why I didn't just name it. This has already gone into kind of non-retro territory. So I wont go into it ,but that game is near perfect for my tastes.

>>2621515
Yeah and the old ones are still great, so there's that. And I want to be clear that I think it's good that there are people out there who did enjoy XIII, it just wasn't at all for me.

How sad is it that a search for SNK gives you Attack on Titan results (Shingeki no Kyojin)...

>>2621551
Fucking pisses me off too.
It was easier to look for SNK stuff before, and now I hate that anime solely for this reason.

>>2621551
>>2621554
Huh?

>>2621556
I get the same results. Also who just play googles "SNK" and nothing else? It really can't be that confusing.

>>2621425

Capcom doesn't even touch their own fighting game series not called Street Fighter nowadays, what interest do they have in using others?...

>>2623254
Which is really pretty weird. SFIV is a nearly perfect version of that franchise, all they needed to do was keep it around and keep fleshing out the roster. But now they've gone and started all over again.

I can't understand why they would put such development resources into that when a new Darkstalkers or even Rival Schools could probably have done really well.

Which is better? 98 UM or 02 UM?

>>2623308

Apparently Darkstalkers never sold that well, and after years or tournaments and minute refinements SFIV was probably starting to feel impenetrable to more casual players - marketing-wise, it makes sense to rely on something famous to sell while promising new enough gameplay to stand a chance as a newbie.

>>2623387
98 for balance, 02 for character roster
I love me some Vanessa.

>>2620924
KOF started to lost it's soul when the artstyle changed.
You can't turn a formerly realistic game into animu shit.

COME ON, BOY!

GO HOME TO MOMMY!

>>2623387
This pretty much >>2623397

They're both really, really solid. I have a hard time deciding between the two.

>>2623390
> Darkstalkers never sold that well

It's sad but true. Capcom makes really well designed fighters, but SF has always been my least favorite of them with very few characters I actually like. Makes me sad that it's the one that got the most popular and now dominates their development.

Quick /vr/ post your favorite SNK music

>>2623541
Metal Slug character select

>>2623541
By a longshot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jS7EPzE-R8s

>>2623541

Can't go wrong with the original Samurai Shodown as a whole: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLo7KQ-LNtw
Same for KoF94, although I can't find a single video with all of it.

XIII version of Goodbye Esaka is also one of the greats: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsaKw1WgXNw

>>2623460
Darkstalkers never sold that we'll because it is basically an SNK game made by Capcom. It feels way more SNK. Capcom purists shit on it when it was released, but it has a nice cult following.

>>2623308
Powerstone is the game they need to make. It had a cult following and was accessible to everybody. Especially with Smash becoming popular again, it seems like it would be a no brainer. The sad fact is Capcom as we know them are dead. They should just change their name to super rising resident street fighters of evil at this point because that's all we are going to get.

>>2623732
Interesting, you know I never thought of it like that but it makes a little sense. And I've always loved SNK fighters but find Capcom's more hit and miss with me.

>>2623742
To be fair, they still make Monster Hunter which is still pretty awesome. But yes, they've dropped from many franchises to only a handful, and it sucks. Most of the Japanese devs are in similar trouble.

>>2623774
Yeah think about the odd non SF standard move inputs and the shorter charge move times. Just like SNK.

Yeah its sad where games in general are right now and the Japanese devs are only making "bankable" games. When Megaman isn't bankable to Capcom and Inafune has to leave to make a new one, they are circling the drain. Especially after 9 and 10 were pretty big successes. I still enjoy SF4 it's a pretty deep fighting game and I think 5 will be good as long as they don't fuck up the charge characters like they are toying with and making them all motion inputs. Guile 4 life here.

>>2623732
>It feels way more SNK.
How so? It uses Capcom style motions, has typical SF2 character roles (shotokan, zoning, grappler, etc) and had a flashiness that certainly wasn't SNK's style.

>>2621509
KOF's always been a product of its time, the look and designs have always been made to fit with what was the contemporary anime look of the era.
that being said, there's a ton of shit about 13 that bugs me stylistically (everyone who had a hint of muscles before looks like they're the physical incarnation of steroids now)

It plays like 2002 on steroids though. Just about all of the systems in it are from KOF02, but revamped, and you can feel it.

>>2623541
KOF2000 is fucking amazing with music. Easily my favorite that SNK's ever done.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4jMFcu-rOM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB4SX3hdla8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TPz_23v0C8

>>2623742
You know, if the Power Stone games had PS2 ports, I'm pretty sure it'd have been more played. That shit was fun as fuck.
the DC dying so quickly really hurt it, everyone I knew with a DC loved playing Power Stone

What is the best Metal Slug game on Neo Geo?

>>2620527
you achieve Victoly with that post.

>>2625048
Speaking of this, which is the best Samurai Shodown? V Special is the only one I've really looked at

>>2623541
For an underrated one, the Best Arrange version of KD-0079
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QAxnxASJ54
Also has a slow version of Rhythmic Hallucination https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oByiiH3ZoSI

>>2625063
read up on the censorship drama about that game, it's pretty important since you can't fight the last boss unless you pull off a fatality in the previous fight

>>2625063
They are all good and play different enough from each other to be worth checking out. 1 is a bit slow but its still a good introduction to the series. 2 is considered the best by some, 3 is decent it added some new mechanics removed some moves and changed things up a bit the art style was a bit darker, 4 adds some characters back in that were removed like jubei :'( and the art is back to the earlier style. 5 I dont know much about but 5 special is considered one of the best. I havent played much of it though.

>>2625076
lol listen to this garbage synth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJlUFlehzM4

>>2625063
Samurai Showdown II

>>2625076
Also forgot one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCpIZ7h7V14
KOF 98 arrange version of Esaka from the first game. Skip to 2:00 for when the song really starts.

>>2625094
samsho 3 is basically the world warrior to samsho 4's champion edition. You should stop playing after 2, though, they removed the brutal looking huge characters and added a bunch of moe anime trash after that like rimururu and shizumaru.

>>2623541
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7qelH4aDEA

>>2625027
X.
3 is cool but 1ccing is almost impossible.

>>2625119
I just want to fuck shit up with hanzo or jubei so stabbing moe characters is alright. 3 added the bust and slash character types though so it was pretty fun. I like the saturn version at least never played the original. 4 has the bust and slash too but with better art and some other differences. I do agree 2 is the best but I still think the others are worth playing.

>playing fighting games alone
You can't possibly be this pathetic.

>>2625149
>getting good at an outdated fighting game where you have nobody to really prove yourself against
you can't possibly be this pathetic.

>>2625163
Exactly, what's even the point? These games were only good back at the time when they came out, they have aged like monkey sperm.

>>2625179
Garou will always be infinitely better than fucking SF4 bro

>>2625179
fun

>>2625179
It's fun to play through the single player and figure out a strategy for each opponent then finish the storyline. Its for fun meng not to prove anything

Do any Metal Slug games let you shoot fucking diagonally? What the fuck is this shit?

>>2625190
sure is a lot of fun getting your shit curb stomped by the cheap boss at the end

>>2625193
gun force 2 did
heavy machine gun can fire diagonally btw

>>2625198
Except you cant lock it.

>>2625193
All/most weapons besides the pistol let's you shiir diagonally.

>>2625206
>shiir
shoot* what the hell.

>>2625205
That's how it is, and there's notjing wrong with it.

>>2625196
Yes, sometimes that is fun. The feeling of accomplishment when they're beaten is great.

>>2625205
SNK had bad programmers, implementing shooting diagonally was too hard for them.

>>2623774
>>2623803

I worry the most about who is going to fill the gap. I'm not convinced that the current market is in any condition to replace what we've been losing over the years.

>>2620871
>poops out ass ugly garbage like KoF XII and XIII.

One thing I particularly hate in these are the stages. They're so bland and uninteresting.

>>2625223
'Murica, Scandinavia and the EU will. Alot of the Japanese guys like inafune, Igataki and the other expats from the big Japanese developers, are heading out of Japan to find people interested in making real games. They are working with teams comprised of like minded guys from all over the world, instead of just the same Japanese ones. Alot of developers love the retro gaming movements in the USA and the UK and they keep getting bigger. We really support the shit out of indie development and crowd funding, so it's kind of like a new horizon for gaming. Hell there are new game systems in the works to play 16 bit style games. As for SNK, I think the Chinese might be good for them, they love some KOF and not the new ones. KOF '99 is still huge in China. I think maybe we will see some new games coming out of SNK and not just "collection" type shit we have been getting served from playmore. Honestly any new game is better than no new games. I know Last Blade was big in China and I've been waiting for LB3 for along time.

>>2625876
surely you meant KOF 98.

>>2625876
People hyped the new KOF but then it turned out to be pachinko, lol. And you fags are still overly critical about moe.
Good grief, I say, their time has clearly ended. Fuck SNK.

>>2625886
No I meant '99, it's still huge in China. For some reason they love it. It's not a bad game it's just way unbalanced.

>>2625889
I honestly liked KOF 13 better than SF4. I just don't live in cali, so there is nobody to play with. SNK isn't done either, it will live on with the guys doing their thing elsewhere. The first time SNK died we got Arc System Works out of the deal, so I'll stay glass half full over here.

>>2625892
why 99, though? it doesn't even have the most popular characters and the armor and counter systems reappear in 2000

>>2625907
Ida know, I ain't chinese.

>>2625892

Don't you mean 97? It's he one that keeps getting rereleases and remakes in China, and 98 gets a pass for basically being 97 with more characters.

>>2625892
97 is big in China, not 99.

>>2623541

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZn2wPK-ow

>>2625128

Is it weird that I liked their "Boss Themes" from Fatal Fury 3 more?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRbe2fZ7HoM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnrHgqLD_PI

Also, I always liked Yamazaki's theme.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpXp6B9BXKM

>>2626519

No, those are amazing too. They're definitely more dramatic also dat suite orchestration.
I still really like the RBS one though, must be that epic chord progression.

>>2626580

It's all good. The few friends I have that are "Into fighting games" thought I was retarded for liking them is why I asked.

>>2626587

They probably prefer more upbeat "rocking" tunes than orchestrated pieces.

By the way this is basically cheating but anyway
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oj-V0VB_Zi8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mClXf0bLtZw

>>2626619

Nah, they all like dubstep/trap/mu/-tier garbage. I stopped hanging around with them after that.

>>2626627
Hey, dubstep's cool. Stop confusing it with brostep.

>>2625119

They made moeshit cause that's what the fanbase wanted. They just didn't tell them "Oh you can perform brutal as fuck fatalities on them" and 2ch had a shitfit over it during the location tests. They were one of the reasons a censored version had to be done on top of the Sasebo slashing.

But then fanbases were just as fucking weird. They wanted a maid character so they ended up with Iroha in that Atomiswave game for one.

>>2626779
>remove all gore and trim down all the violence
>put a blatant porn character
SamSho VI would've been a great all ages game if not for Iroha.

>>2626779

They also brought in Andrew Fucking Jackson as a playable character. That's a decent trade in my book.

>>2626779
Ugh, such a dumb, otaku-pandering character.

>>2626812
>Ugh, such a dumb, otaku-pandering character.

SNK Character Designs Post 2002.TXT

>>2621425
Why didn't Sega buy them (not in their current state but back in the day)

>>2625119
>tfw playing 5 Special with some friends
>fuck up in a match, get killed
>fucking watch Rimurimu get bisected
>mfw

My jaw fucking dropped. That was fucking cool.

>>2626779
>They just didn't tell them "Oh you can perform brutal as fuck fatalities on them" and 2ch had a shitfit over it during the location tests. They were one of the reasons a censored version had to be done on top of the Sasebo slashing.
man fuck otaku

>>2627494
back in the day, SNK was a bigish company that was doing pretty well for itself, so a poor target for an acquisition
when SNK went bankrupt, Sega was in a hilariously awful financial state

at no point did it make sense for Sega to buy SNK -- early on, Sega's arcade efforts were much more impressive than SNK's games
later on, during KOF's popularity, Sega was busy trying to not hemorrhage money, the whole 1995-2002 period was completely awful for them financially.

>>2625892
Really? I know they love the fuck out of '97, but I didn't know '99 was big there.

which is odd, 2000 is so much better it hurts

>>2628112
Cuckold_porn_for_game_collectors.jpg

>>2628112
Dion, pls.

>>2627737
I guess the term "buying" was used a little loosely. I meant something more like the two companies doing a merger. But your point makes sense.

>>2626801

I they'd make one more game where that Andrew Jackson got to meet Black Hawk from the 3D SS Sen - that could get interesting...

>>2626903

Shen Woo, Adel and Oswald are still pretty fine in my book.

>>2627494

I wish they'd just make a Sega/SNK crossover - both companies have a lot in common to work from.

>>2620927
BE DEAD DOWN HERE
YOU PERSISTENT GUY

>>2628380
For real, they were testing waters with the NGPC and DC compatibility

>>2628897
What were they testing waters for? They are compatible. There is only 5 or 6 games it works with though. I didn't know of any plans to make a SNK Sega crossover though. I thought it was mainly for Capcom SNK cardfighters.

>in another thread, I mention that I liked KOF XI and wished that SNK stuck to the tag team style instead of jumping back to the old style of team battles

>get a HURRRR PLAY MARVEL VS CAPCOM IF YOU WANT THAT SHIT response

>>2626779
There's the sasebo murder you've mentioned and the fact that V Special also coincided with the creation of the CERO ratings. You complain about the removal of fatalities, but VI didn't even have blood at all, not even white sweat, nothing. I don't think it was just 2ch whining on the internet.

>>2629129

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sasebo_schoolgirl_murder

>>2629118
The way they did Tagging in 2003 just led to even more infinites.

>>2629118
To be fair, that is the proper response. That was one of the worst things about XI to most KoF fans. If you like it like that, there are other fighters out there for you.

>>2629129
BY THE WAY they made another samurai shodown in 3D and the fatalities were put back in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeMIqulje-o
I don't think Otaku had anything to do with the censorship, you're just looking for an easy scape goat.

>>2629150
>>2626779
BY THE WAY they made another samurai shodown in 3D and the fatalities were put back in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeMIqulje-o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkoKqFNcNFE
I don't think Otaku had anything to do with the censorship, you're just looking for an easy scape goat.

>>2629129
>>2626779
BY THE WAY they made another samurai shodown in 3D and the fatalities were put back in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeMIqulje-o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkoKqFNcNFE
I don't think Otaku had anything to do with the censorship, you're just looking for an easy scape goat.

I'm fucking triggered because there was a murder and the creation of the CERO boards but the thing you want to blame is 2ch and the Otaku.
I mean, fuck, how much confirmation bias can you be?

>>2629105
I mean they were testing waters for a long-term partnership by having compatibility with each other until both companies failed.

>>2626779
>fatalities
the ones in 4 and 5sp felt tacked on to me, I was fine with the occasional slice in half or blood shower of the first 2 games.

>>2629118
>tag team style
I think having it as an option wouldn't hurt, but then you have Kizuna Encounter for tag gameplay(although it has a small roster).

>>2629161
is this the xbox 360 game?

>>2629247
yup

>>2629180
be lucky certain other groups weren't mention and be sure to take the appropriate actions (i.e, reporting on sight) whenever said groups are mentioned even in passing

>>2621034
SNK as it was for the last several years was run by insane businessmen who refused the opportunity to make easy money by letting Capcom license their characters. Maybe under new management things can get better.

They sure as hell can't get worse.

>>2623390
>Apparently Darkstalkers never sold that well,
Wrong. All 3 Darkstalkers games were top 5 sellers in arcades.

>>2620871
12 sucks but 13 is awesome

>>2621551
fucking can't stand that, the anime might be good too but i'll always hate it for stealing those letters

speaking of snk what are these crazy comics i found before

>>2632797
Probably a Chinese manwha. Lots of fighting games had them and they can get pretty crazy.

>>2632797
Probably a Chinese manhua. Lots of fighting games had them, and they often get pretty crazy.

>>2632808
i definitely wanna see this one

>>2620871
XIII was still a major improvement over XII

Would've like something like 98/02 for Ash saga, though.

>>2632797
The SNK Vs Capcom Chaos manwa - it actually got an official English translation.

A bit of an odd piece, but I love the fact they worked the Card Fighters characters into the story.

>>2620819
Didn't this guy rape Mai?

>>2632762

Capcom barely use their own - no Darkstaklers, no Capcom-only Versus game... what makes you think they'd bother with SNK's stuff?

>>2633627

Nope.

>>2633627
yes

>>2635997

Based on what?

>>2625063
IV has the best atmosphere.

>>2627737
>fucking watch Rimurimu get bisected

Mine was

>check out Zetsumei montage for SSVS
>Kusaregedo flat out eats the fuck out of Rimu and spits out her skull
>Rera stabs niggas, particularly Nakoruru

It was fucking cool, indeed

>>2629118

Personally XI is a favorite KOF but in hindsight they should have stuck with the non-tag 3v3 format. Also the combo system on that I find was nuts. I loved it.

>>2632797

Chinese Manhua, most likely by Andy Seto or probably the dudes who made the Another/Maniac Strikers (also from China). I've only actually read the one for KOF 2002 and some of the older ones, particularly 99 where Kyo runs around in his underwear looking for clothes in the NESTS lab.

Thouse out of the way, QUICK /snk/! Who is your favorite artist?

>>2640525

> favorite artist

Hard to say:

* Shinkiro's stuff can get a little samey at times, but putting together the definitive Geese portrait, as well as several slice-of-life pictures for many characters (the stuff from Fatal Fury Special, and occasional stuff like Heidern teaching Leona to shoot) added a lot to the world developed in the games.

* Hiroaki's stuff has a really nice roughness to it - his takes on the characters make it a lot easier to imagine the characters getting into fights

* Senri Kita IIRC did the most of the Last Blade illustrations, and those really fit the game's tone of being a more elegant, subtle experience when compared to the "louder" Samurai Shodown

* Ogura's stuff is plain solid an a worthy follow-up to the artists above that defined the look for SNK's games - I'd like to see him handle stuff being portraits, maybe more slice of life stuff, assuming SNKP manages to put some budget aside for that.

>>2640525
obari

>>2640724
>Senri Kita IIRC did the most of the Last Blade illustrations
You mean artwork like pic related?
That's Tonko, she also did the main artworks for Garou.

>>2641012

You're right, my bad - both names tend to pop up in the same places when SNK games get discussed, I should have checked before posting to be sure.