/vr/ - Retro Games

>most desired
You can count the amount of people that want this piece of shit on one hand.

Not fox and grapes. This isn't some beta from a good developer. The only interest in this beta is as a curiosity to laugh at.

>>2609870

It's probably a shit game, but this isn't the only /vr/ hoarder going NEVER EVER on everyone else.

>>2609865
the only reason you want it is because you can't have it

the only reason you can't have it is because you won't buy it from the guy who has it

the only reason you won't buy it from the guy is because you don't want it as bad as he did

>>2609873
They bought the shit. Can do with what they want. It's shitty and they'll be known for being shitty people.

Eh, I don't really care. Outside of novelty factor, didn't the game get mediocre reception from the reviewer who made it? Sure, there probably aren't many opinions out there on it, but something about it just makes me think that the Socks and US politics gimmick is the most interesting aspect.

That being said,
1) I imagine it is on EPROM. While those can be lost, I have games with EPROMs from the 80s that still work fine as far as I know.

2) Is he talking all the time about how he'll never sell it? As far as I know he was trying to or did already obtain the rights to the game so he can sell legal repros (which means a public ROM release won't be too far behind, either from the guy who has it or someone who buys one).

3) I think the guy who uploaded the video on YouTube isn't the guy who has it or something.

It'll be neat to see if it does wind up getting released, but I'm not losing sleep over it.

>>2609880
From the reviewer who played it. Fuck. And I'm too lazy to look it up, but I thought it was kinda lukewarm.

>>2609865
There are too many complete, incredible games, hell, too many fucking tolerable games for me to give a fuck about some shitty generic as fuck unfinished SNES platformer.

>>2609876
The guy won't sell it.

>>2609865
it's his, he can do whatever he wants with it, fuck off.

btw, he's said multiple times on the forums that anyone who wants to go to his house and play it, can, and several people have taken him up on it and posted photos.

>>2609880
he says he's been working to get the licenses to release it, but so far he hasn't made any significant progress.

>>2609958
>btw, he's said multiple times on the forums that anyone who wants to go to his house and play it, can, and several people have taken him up on it and posted photos.
So why doesn't some autist steal it and dump it, or some ebin trole go and "accidentally" pour coke over it?

Not that I'm advocating that, it just seems that's a pretty big security flaw if you're willing to piss people off by refusing to dump it.

>>2609865
it's a shit game, why do you care? lol, someone should examine what little footage we have and construct a snes game with similar graphics just to take a little wind outta his game

>>2609973
Probably because most people young enough to actually do that wouldn't be able to go to his house. For as much shit as people may talk online, it takes a special kind of idiot asshole to carry that behavior over into real life. The game was probably over $1k, so I guess if it seemed evident that you damaged it intentionally, I guess he could try to take you to small claims court or something of the sort. If he doesn't have it backed up but does have the distribution rights, then maybe he could try to sue for more than the value of the game PCB itself.

Besides, I imagine he has it backed up on his computer anyway.

>>2609865
Adress and state, I will go to his house and rob the prototype and promise to upload that shitty snes game

>>2609865
He probably already has dumped the rom (for preservation in case the cart dies) but just doesn't release it.

Its not like you can't do the same thing. Hell, theres probably a guide out there on how to dump roms using the retron5 at this point.

>>2609865
If you want it that badly, simply get him doxxed, find and rob him of it.

Bonus points: tie him up and dump the rom in front of him, burn the rest of his collection.

>>2610494
awwww made me smile

>>2609982
>>2609973
yep, because if you were some rando who came to my house and tried that, I would literally shoot you in the face.

>>2609865
Honestly don't care as i doubt it even comes close to the 16 bit platformers already available to us.

>>2610618
who said anything about going to your house, faglord?

you're not the one with a rare game

>>2609865
He's a dipshit, no doubt about it, but I'm relieved it's such a shit game that I don't really care if it's never dumped. Let him have his feeling of superiority for owning such a worthless game since it's clearly the only thing he has left to cling to in his life.

>yfw Socks is dead now
On the other hand, he DID live 20 years. That is stupid old for a cat.

>>2610927
The sad part is Socks didn't even get to spend his final years with the Clintons since they dumped him off on some friends so they could have their dog instead.

>>2609865
Who gives a fuck? Its a shitty shovelware game. They cancelled it because it was so shitty.

>It's a shit game
True, but think about the hacking potential.

>Socks the Cat vs. /pol/

People have a right to history.

>>2610989
Your medical records are history. I have a right to see them.

>>2611009
They're not history until he's dead. Until then it's an on-going file and isn't free to be viewed.

>>2611009
You heard it here folks, unreleased video games are comparable to medical records. This means anyone can sell them if there's a market for it, and the customer is granted the right to hoard them indefinitely.

Where's the incentive? Pull together $100,000 and see if that might change his mind. Just expecting the guy to devalue something rare he owns seems foolish.

>>2610927
>That is stupid old for a cat.
considering the oldest cat was 38, not really.

>>2611051
The oldest living person was 122 but that doesn't mean living to 100 isn't still incredible for a person.

>>2610989
Not everything is historically relevant.
I have the world's only copy of a portrait of a local art dealer. It's "history" in the same sense this game is, but it's not historically significant and you don't have any inherent right to a copy.

>>2611090
Literally apples and oranges, I think I have a right to a photograph of that portrait, since you can't clone a paint. You can clone a video game though, both physically and virtually.

I think this game is pretty historically relevant. History is only relevant to people who acknowledge it anyway.

>>2611103
>I think I have a right to a photograph of that portrait

No, you don't. Nothing guarantees or entitles you to that "right."

>>2611109
Stop censoring history and let us see the portrait.

>>2611116
Give me copies of every single photograph of you and your family. They're "history," because they exist, and I'm entitled to them.

Most desired? Yeah no. It's just a generic 90s platformer with Bill Clinton's cat. If the guy wants to hoard it and act all elitist then all the power to him, cause I doubt anyone genuinely gives a shit.

Now if the guy was hoarding a Super Mario World prototype or something, that'd be a whole nother story.

>>2611123
I kinda wonder if the prevalence of internet piracy has led to some holding an idea that if it was made by someone, it should be freely available to everyone at any moment for free. I personally do think that this game should be preserved, but if neither the original creators nor the current owner(s) choose not to, that is their right. I can live with some people having things that I do not have, but I sometimes feel that the basic nature of someone having some data that cannot be freely downloaded at the drop of a hat really upsets some people, even if their interest primarily stems from the fact that thy can't download it.

>>2610618

>rando

The entitlement of some people nowadays astounds me. In an age when so much content is so readily accessible, people actually feel slighted when something is not freely available to them. The assumption that access to of any bit of culture, no matter how insignificant, is somehow a right and not a privilege is a modern idea that is upending how we create and consume media and ironically destroying a great deal of it.

>>2611357
It's called self-entitlement, and it is no more hard to understand than not wanting other people to enrich their life and feel good. I get there is money involved, but sometimes it just feels like plain caprice.

>>2609865
>tons of shitty games readily available
"I'm not going to waste that time on that shit"

>one shitty game not readily available
"I NEEEEED TO EXPERIENCE THIS I AM BEING DENIED AN ESSENTIAL PIECE OF GAMING HISTORY HELP ME GUYS I CAN'T SLEEP AT NIGHT"

It belongs in a museum. Donate it to the Clinton library and I'm sure you could get an amazing tax write off

>>2611391
That's not the point. No one really wants to play this turd, but at the same time we don't want it to be forever lost to the annals of time.

>>2611449
You want to save a turd because it's less common than other turds, despite the fact that it is, nevertheless, a turd. That is ridiculous and not all that different from a hoarder's mentality.

There absolutely are games that have already been forever lost to time. You'll never even know what they were. Writhe in despair.

>>2611462
That's the whole point. It has happened before, so why allow it to happen again? We can prevent it.

>>2611492
Because we don't need to preserve literally everything, especially if it's worthless. Omitting the irrelevant makes sense, and is done in virtually every other field.

>>2611497
It's not up to you to decide what is or is not relevant. The game exists and deserves to be archived.

>>2611498
>It's not up to you to decide what is or is not relevant.
It's... not up to you, either. And yet you speak absolutely. You are likely someone born in a time such that digital copies and internet caches have always been the norm and presumed available and accessible.

>>2611497
This.

Look at /lit/, and look at the community of literature historians at places like Oxford. Those people genuinely love literature, and are passionate about maintaining libraries of ancient books.

But you don't see lit historians picking up trashy tijuana bibles, screaming "R A R E BOOK", and acting like they're actually worth something. You don't see movie buffs picking up some hick's home movies at a yard sale, crying "R A A A A A A A R E", and saving it. You just don't.

I have a floppy disk with some "rare games" that I coded in QBasic when I was a teen, and they're technically retro (i.e., written before 2000) but you probably don't want them, and I don't want to go get them. Like who cares?

>>2610883
and if I was the faglord with a rare game, and you came to my house and tried to take it... I would shoot you.

like a fag.

faglord.

i love how you poorfags think you're entitled to play this.
you're not.

i love how you poorfags thinks he's obligated to dump and release.
he's not.

I swear, if you dipshits knew the shit people have stashed away, you'd all probably die from a collective brain aneurysm

but guess what? it's fucking theirs, and they don't have to do anything they don't want to.

fuck off.

>>2611539
Autism.

>>2611510
To be fair, this was an officially licensed game by a professional developer. I do think it would be best if it were preserved, but I don't think he has to give it away for free or anything, nor do I understand why people get so upset if it isn't freely available (outside of the previously mentioned apparent mentality that all data created should be free for everyone at any time).

I mean, what is in it for him? He paid presumably a lot of money (for a game, at least) for this, and it is his property. From the sound of it, he might be or might eventually be the owner of not just the prototype PCB but also the data/copyright/distribution rights/etc. It holds some value due to its uniqueness, so sharing it could potentially significantly devalue what he owns. Just because what he owns is rare doesn't mean he has an obligation to freely share and devalue what he owns.

I do think it would be awesome of him to share it, of course. I do wonder if some people don't think that way, but rather think that distributing it is the norm to be expected, while not sharing makes him a fucking asshole. If he openly shared it, probably the most he'd get are some posts on a forum saying "Thanks!" or "What a great service to the community! Cool!" For some that is enough, for some such comments are worthless.

>>2611570
>To be fair, this was an officially licensed game by a professional developer

That doesn't make it good or valid or automatically worthy of reverence. Unless you care to explain how the preservation of Chester Cheetah games have been important to video game history past, present, and future, "it was a REAL game!" fails to serve as a compelling argument.

>>2611498
>It's not up to you to decide what is or is not relevant.
What an ironic thing to say.

>>2611589
Just letting it get destroyed gives NO ONE the chance to EVER decide. All I'm saying is keep it around. Once it's gone it's gone. I don't know why that's so hard to understand. Just because it's a bad game doesn't mean it deserves ultimate death.

>>2611570
>I mean, what is in it for him?
It's pretty obvious he likes rustling jimmies a whole lot. That's his prerogative.

You know what I like? Libraries. When there's a book I'd like to read, I see if they have it. If they don't, I don't get assblasted over it, I choose another book from their vast collection.

>>2611591
You keep operating under this weird false idea that an object somehow has an intrinsic value that gives it rights.

>>2611592
They will special order you any book you want.

>>2611591
You will one day die, and when you're gone, you're gone. There's nothing you can do about it. It's inevitable. You will not live forever. You are more important than a shitty video game and even so, you will not be preserved forever.

>>2611581
Did you even read my post? I just thought it'd be for the best if it were preserved, but I don't think I have a right to it nor do I think it is integral to save it for the sake of history. It would just be a shame if it were lost forever, same thing with someone's home movies. The fact that it was an officially licensed game with some internet notoriety just means that it is of interest and more significant to more people than a redneck's home movie.

Wait what?

I had this game.

It sucked but I got it for next to nothing. Long gone now though.

>>2611603
>It would just be a shame if it were lost forever, same thing with someone's home movies.
It would be a shame for the family of those in the home movies, but largely inconsequential to the rest of the world. This really means nothing to most of the world, outside the people who made the game and a few obsessives who believe they NEED to experience it. I guarantee that the Clintons themselves do not give two shits about this game.

>The fact that it was an officially licensed game with some internet notoriety
The only reason it has notoriety is because of its scarcity. If this was available on emuparadise like any other SNES release, we would not be talking about this at all.

>>2611615
>The only reason it has notoriety is because of its scarcity. If this was available on emuparadise like any other SNES release, we would not be talking about this at all.

This. The guy is only holding on to the game to wave the fact around on some Internet forum so he can derive some pleasure in his otherwise pathetic and meaningless life.

>>2611625
Not to mention derive some ire from similarly pathetic and meaningless lives. This guy knows his audience.

>>2611551
"a mental condition, present from early childhood, characterized by difficulty in communicating and forming relationships with other people and in using language and abstract concepts."

I thought I was pretty fucking clear, faglord.

stay poor, enjoy never playing socks.

>>2611592
it's pretty obviously he wants to make money off it; why do you think he's trying to do a repro run? out of the goodness of his heart?

it's to make money.

>>2609865
I don't really care but it feels so damn good that entitled little shits like you get butthurt about it. And he has dumped it dingus. He just hasn't given you a copy. Honestly, I hope he never dumps it. It's one of the quickest easiest ways to determine if someone here is a cunt.

>>2609880
>legal repros (which means a public ROM release won't be too far behind

That reminds me, that that one guy ever dump that Lobo cart?

>>2611750
No, he was especially a faggot. This was apparent after the first day.

>>2611591
>NO ONE
Technically the current owner not only has the chance to decide, but has decided.

>>2611750
>Lobo cart
kek. He never even got it. He was just being an attention whore.

>>2611750
>>2611757
>>2611831
What's the story behind this?

>>2611867
Some guy posted on /vr/ a few months ago claiming he had a cart (maybe a prototype, I forget) of some SNES Lobo game, he pissed everyone off by cockteasing it to the point where people stopped believing him at all, while simultaneously derailing his own thread by getting extremely offended and going far out of his way to complain about the way people typically write on this site ("-fag" suffixes on everything, just the usual)

>>2611867
oh, shit, LOL. I forgot about this!

https://archive.is/Ok8BB

I'm the guy in there that said he was gonna get the cart himself and dump it.

I actually got the cart, didn't dump it yet.
I'll do it tonight and start a new thread.

BTW, I am also this asshole >>2611539
Just saying.

Just play Bio Force Ape, a formerly unreleased game that was worth the effort to find and release.

>>2611878
update: ufo pro 8 won't read it, either as a passthrough to play from cart, or dump to DRAM/SDC. the cart plays fine if you connect it directly. Already tried cleaning the connector. tried a SNES and a Super Famicom (different mobo revisions), and I also tried 3 different power supplies, no dice. also tried jiggling around the cart while it was plugged into the UFO, still nothing.

any ideas?

>>2611920
Can you open it up and post pics?

>>2611927
sure, it's already open (thought it might help to plug it straight into the UFO). give me a couple mins

>>2611928
pics

>>2611941
one more

it's nothing special, just mass produced Chinese bullshit with a Sanyo flash rom

>>2611943
anyways, the UFO won't read the fucking thing, so I am giving up for now unless someone has a bright idea.

>>2611945
>>2611941
>>2611943
I can dump that, if you are willing to mail the cart to me. Mail me at rorirub@gmail.com.

>>2611956
you can buy it off me and do whatever you want with it. not just gonna send it to a random anon, sorry

>>2611961
I'm the guy from the last thread who posted the pic with the lobo comics and the Willem programmer, if that is of any consolation.

I don't have $50 to waste on a Lobo cart, I'm too busy buying up undumped Saturn games.

>>2611391
I don't like the idea of something existing if I can't get a copy of it.

>>2611968
sorry, if someone wants to try their hand at dumping it, they're gonna have to pay me what I spent on it. it was like 70 shipped.

otherwise, someone better figure out why the ufo won't read it, cause i'm done fucking with it for now.

>>2611969
I want everything from that game on... the... INTERNET. I'll send you complaints, I'll send you threats, I'll send in everything in my POWER! Just get it on the internet.

So yeah, please, get everything on the internet, NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW!

>>2609865
Maybe the guy who owns this will die from a sudden brain aneurism, and the cart will show up at his estate sale.

>>2611462

That's bullshit, we want all the more common turds saved too, they just already have been

>>2611943
Is it some sort of bootleg hack or something?

>>2612092
Repro cart.

>>2611670
>copied and pasted dictionary definition
Stopped reading there. If you didn't write it, don't expect me to read it.

If you want to argue, try doing it in your own words, Temple.

ITT: Mental gymnastics

>>2611945
You need to weld the cart to a breadboard I know because I did it once before.

>>2611997
That's even more like a hoarder's mentality.

>>2612132
>If you didn't write it don't expect me to read it.

The fuck you doing on 4chan then, idiot? The fuck you even doing on the internet? There hasn't been an original thought on the internet since the second person connected.

>>2612132
>" If you didn't write it, don't expect me to read it."
>"If you want to argue, try doing it in your own words"
>spouts "autism" as a catch-all insult

>>2612427

Okay.

>>2611598
technology will allow us to preserve people sooner than we think. BUT MUH BITROT AMIRITE? AHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA I AM really SANE
SOMETHING ABOUT A NUMBER AND NEEDING CUTTING implements.

>>2612359
could you elaborate a bit, please? i'm not entirely sure what you're getting at.

yes, I know what breadboard is, I just don't get how doing this would help.

>>2612860
I'm thinking he's getting at some way to get around whatever the reseller did to prevent the rom from getting dumped.

>>2612852
Biological immortality almost seems like something we'll see within our generation.

>>2612359
Well, no. The issue is that the Super UFO 8 uses a high-capacitance decryption technique to analyze the data from the cartridge. The issue here is that most cartridges have enough on board sub-RAM to power the UFO's micro CPU. This reproduction board lacks said component. Without this, the UFO is unable to decipher the PRG bitstream (it SHOULD be able to convert and store the CHR datapackets, however, but that's just half of the equation). You'd need to remove the flash chip and weld it onto a flash-converting SNES/SFC breadboard (standard SHVC development boards would not work). The standard conversion RAM on the board should be enough to make the data interact properly with the UFO, but if not, you might consider welding a 75 kohm 10V acceleration-grade resistor package between the flash chip's 3.3V and data-out legs.

>>2612852
Underrated post.

>muh entitlement
>if the creators decide that the game shouldn't be available you shouldn't play it
Absolutely disgusting capitalist brainwashing, makes me think of that euro gamer article on emulation.

Everything that has any demand should be archived. We can backup anything and there's no legal or other rules that take precedence. If the game isn't commercially available anywhere there is absolutely nothing "entitled" about archiving

>>2613049
yeah, there is about a 0% chance I will be desoldering flash roms from any PCB anytime soon.

any other alternatives here? I assume the resistor trick you suggested still requires the flash rom to be desoldered from the board?

>>2613121
It's not the "archiving" that makes them entitled, you can stop straw manning.

It's thinking you have a right to anything that someone owns solely because you want it. That is entitled, and that is childish.

If the guy doesn't want to give it to you, the guy doesn't want to give it to you. And no amount of feelings-based browbeating is going to change the fact that the guy has his own criteria as to who can access the game and what is done with it, as that's exactly how it should be.

It has nothing to do with capitalist "brainwashing," and everything to do with the fact that you and the people like you in this thread think that someone else's property should also be yours. It sounds almost like communist brainwashing in that aspect, putting it like that. Or did you just want to say "capitalist" to try to sound intelligent or something?

javascript:quote('2613198');

I am not asking to own anything for free whatsoever, nor is anyone in this thread that I can see. No one wants to be given a cart of this game, YOU can stop strawmanning.

What we are talking about is digital preservation, because everything possible should be preserved in that way and nothing is preventing it.
Fuck off with your entitlement high horse bullshit.

I am not asking to own anything for free whatsoever, nor is anyone in this thread that I can see. No one wants to be given a cart of this game, YOU can stop strawmanning.What we are talking about is digital preservation, because everything possible should be preserved in that way and nothing is preventing it.Fuck off with your entitlement high horse bullshit. You clearly lack any sort pf appreciation for the vast amount of work that has gone into preserving data on completely legal projects like archive org. I guess every one of those dumpers is a entitled little cunt.

>>2613228
>No one wants to be given a cart of this game
I didn't say that anybody wanted a cart.

I'm talking about this "digital preservation" crap.

>Fuck off with your entitlement high horse bullshit.

I'm not the one thinking someone else's property should be made mine solely because I have an idealistic worldview about things being preserved because I say so.

If you want the damned game so much go fucking buy it maybe? You're nothing but a damned GR.

>>2613198
>If the guy doesn't want to give it to you, the guy doesn't want to give it to you.

That's not why he's keeping it and keeps advertising the fact that he's not going to dump the ROM, though. He's just an asshole

>>2613253
Who cares why or why he isn't keeping it?
It's his, and you don't have a right to have access to it.

>>2613239
>nothing is preventing it
Actually, the only known person to possess the game (and possibly unknown person(s) who possess copies) are preventing it, as have the game publishers themselves.

>everything possible should be preserved in that way
oh you

I actually posted a pretty good gameplay video of me playing this game for roughly ~15 minutes or so, as DreamTR's offer to let people play it was legit.
It's just your standard everyday platformer.

ITT

>>2613256
>it's his
No it isn't, nobody owns a cultural piece such as a video game, movie, book or whatever, they belong to history and demand to be preserved for the future. Publishers and rightsholders cannot be trusted with
is task and their objections are ultimately irrelevant in the scope of things
You pieces of shit are probably the same type of peoole whto would argue that nobody should be able to experience the original Star Wars movies since the creator doesn't want you to. You disgust me on a deep level

>>2613303
IT IS HIS, YOU DILDO.

>>2613303
You hear that everyone? You don't own anything.

>>2613239
>completely legal projects like archive org
You mean grey area logic warping "legal" projects? That site hosts full rom sets for Nintendo consoles, pretty sure there's nothing legal about that. Don't kid yourself.

>>2613303
>that nobody should be able to experience the original Star Wars movies since the creator doesn't want you to.

Except the creator spent all of that money and effort just so public consumption would ensure that the Star Wars saga would be shared with them and all the world, peehole.

And if he himself didn't want to share it, gasp, he doesn't have to because it's, gasp!

HIS! And he owns it!

>Nobody owns anything if I say it fits my completely arbitrary criteria for ownership

Entitled communist-tier idiots.

>>2613303
>nobody owns a cultural piece such as a video game, movie, book or whatever, they belong to history and demand to be preserved for the future
This is so completely wrong, all three parts of this statement are untrue.

>>2613310

Is this news to you? Do yoh think that buying the latest console releases means the gamd belongs to you now exclusively? Do you have mental issues?

>>2613303
https://news.yahoo.com/original-star-wars-trilogy-unaltered-002200388.html

I suppose this is the part where you balk at having to pay for copies of a movie you intrinsically own because they belong to the culture.

>>2613327
>releases
But the game in question wasn't exactly released now was it f***hole?
And even with your stupid logic, the producers own that cart in such a world and they could decide what to do with it.
But guess what? Here, in this instance, the producers have zero say. NONE.

>>2611945
CUM ON THE CONTACTS THEN TRY AGAIN IT WILL WORK TAKE PICS

>>2613327
>Do you think that buying the latest console releases means the gamd belongs to you now exclusively?

"The game" as an intellectual property/code? No. My physical disc? Absolutely. I paid for it, it's mine, and you have no right to acquire the code from my disc. Get it somewhere else, if you can.

>>2609865
Pics or it didn't happen

>>2613303
>getting this mad over video games

>>2613292
this thread is hilarious

>>2613348
For an extra shot of hilarity, scroll up to OP and refresh your memory as to what everyone is bitching over.

>>2610927
Holy crap tuxedo cats are adorable.
Anyway, I personally think someone familiar with assembly language should just look at the footage and make a homebrew based off it. That way if Mr. Fagbag doesn't dump it it doesn't matter that much. Not that it really does anyway, I personally feel like it would've been a Bubsy clone, and do we really want that?

>>2613340
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McDVmiYFdKw

dumb touhou poster

>>2613372
>A video game about Bill Clinton's cat causes severe outrage on the part of communists

>>2613383

>>2613330
They are only available now because people have preserved them, gotten hold of the original footage and done incredible work on restoring them in high definition, all against the wishes of the "rights holders", whose claims are relevant to history as much as an authoritarian regime banning media.

The difference between people like me and you is that we think about the availability of a cultural work in the span of decades, while you concern yourself with petty transient legal matters. Disney is going to prolong the expiration date for their properties until infinity and people will actually defend them instead of thinking about the works in themselves. It's pathetic

>>2613393
You're objectively wrong about all of this, I just thought I'd point that out.

>>2613393
>It's pathetic
He says, bemoaning the apotheosis of loss which is of the lack of a dumping of an SNES game about Bill Clinton's cat on a slow 4chan board.

>>2613327
Yes. If I go to the store and buy a game that physical copy of the game belongs to me until I break, sell, misplace, give it away, or have it stolen from me. Do I own the copyrights to the game? No, I don't.

>>2609865
man, could you imagine a AAA release based on Obama's dog or something?

>>2613415
Fuck that, I want pic related to be reality.

>>2609865

This game is undoubtedly shit. The only reason you want to play it is because you can't. There are countless crappy games you *can* play, but of course you don't as they're crappy. If someone said "There's a rotting dog in this box, and I have the key! You're never getting in!" would you care? Nope, so you shouldn't about this.

>>2613420
>The only reason you want to play it is because you can't.

Don't underestimate the amount of people who want it so their favorite Video Game Youtube Celebrity And Friend By Proxy can make videos about how terrible it is.

>>2613420
Actually yes, some people would care, for better or worse.

While I really do not see a compelling argument as to why it shouldn't be preserved, the game is his and the fact that the board contains an unreleased game is pretty integral to the value. For example, the Japanese version of Monster Party used to net over a grand (actually a few thousand I think) when a copy was sold, but once it was dumped, it then sold for like $400-500 range. Even if you aren't interested in the money, you do lose trade bait and you do lose whatever cool kid points you had for owning something with rare data held within.

This all seems kinda unwarranted since as far as I know the guy who bought the game from DreamTR is supposedly planning to officially release the game.

>>2613253
>>2613256
>>2613303

1) it IS his, he paid money for it, it's tangible personal property

2) he's said over and over and over he's trying to do a legit release of it (he's registered TMs and everything in preparation), he wants to make money. it's an investment.

again, please fuck off.

>>2613467
Why did you link >>2613256?
I'm in agreement.

>>2613472
I know you were, sorry if I seemed to imply otherwise. Was just tagging the whole exchange for context.

>>2611591
Honestly I'd like to see someone smash it to pieces if the guy has no back ups.

It seems a fitting response to him refusing to share it for some reason. Possibly because I find myself in the position of thinking refusing to make a ROM dump is a dick move, but thinking most people who expect a ROM dump make shitty arguments for why there should be one, so the end position I find most enjoyable is one where nobody is happy.

>>2613467
>he's said over and over and over he's trying to do a legit release of it (he's registered TMs and everything in preparation), he wants to make money. it's an investment.
So he's creating artificial scarcity in the market, then.

The cart itself is his property: The data on the cart is trivial to copy once it is on a computer system and restricting access to that data (in the context of non-personal data) is wrong. But more than that, I don't see how failing to just upload a ROM immediately benefits him to any reasonable degree. If he makes a repro cart, it will be on ROM sites almost immediately.

Anyone who buys his carts beyond the first guy (who has to dump a ROM) just to experience the game is an idiot.

>>2613142
A wise decision. If you can't tell these suggestions aren't serious you best stay away from the soldering iron.

I assume you've tested the UFO dumping another cart and it worked fine?

>>2613303
Everyone else in the world except a few die hard commies and crusties say you're wrong.

>>2613809
The scarcity isn't artificial. It is a rare game and rare data. Only a few copies were ever made. The data is rare, him simply choosing to not share the data for free isn't creating artificial scarcity because it was always scarce and any previous owner or potential buyer had the opportunity to dump it. Sharing the data would reduce the scarcity, but not sharing it is just keeping things as they are.

If he has plans to legally release it, letting the ROM out for free could reduce hype and possibly deter potential buyers. Even if it doesn't, what does he get from releasing it for free?

>>2613809
He should at least make a backup of the ROMs. Multiple ones are better. If he doesn't, the data is in danger of getting destroyed, since EPROMs will lose data over time. And then all his investments will be destroyed.

i hope he has no backups and the data is lost so he can go down in nerd history as the guy who killed a game to fellate his ego

>>2614285
>I did NOT back up that game cartridge.

>>2614289

>>2614289
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLswUGD8kxA

>>2614284
Holly shit! I totally didn't think of that. I've been collecting for years and spent a lot of money acquiring this cart but never thought to back it up. You're a fucking genius!

>>2613467
Good luck to him, I guess. I can't see anyone buying this trash unless it's specifically to give him the middle finger by uploading it for free.

>>2614371
People will surely buy it. If he does a limited run, they'll probably sell for a few hundred within a couple years of release.

>>2614389
>>People will surely buy it.
why? literally the only reason to buy it is to get a ROM dump to share with everyone else.

it's not earthbound, there's literally no point in buying a repro of a dead and mediocre game who's sole point of notability comes from 54 angry autists arguing whether or not a ROM should exist.

>>2614284
>>2613791
>>2614285
attention idiots: he has dumped it, so did the previous owner (Jason Wilson).

>>2614416
because collectorfags are autists and have to have everything. the repro market is huge, these will sell like hotcakes.

>>2614416
> literally the only reason to buy it is to get a ROM dump to share with everyone else.

The only reason to buy something is to give it away to beggars? Haha, wow.

However, I do not quite understand the fascination with repros/modern-day releases. One of those Cheetahmen II Lost Levels things from that Kickstarter sold on ebay last month for $184.06.

>>2614550
>The only reason to buy something is to give it away to beggars?
in this case? yes. especially since the beggars will give you an e-blobjob for taking the guy who declined blowjobs because he wanted dollars off his high-horse.

>>2614554
I think for some, e-bjs do not amount to much. I do wonder how much money people who demand ROM dumps would be willing to shell out to get the preservation they want. I can see not wanting to spend a grand, but I do wonder if some would literally spend nothing.

>>2613809
>and restricting access to that data (in the context of non-personal data) is wrong.
What the absolute fuck is wrong with you.

>>2614550
If preservation is just "giving stuff away to beggers" you have no right to read things like wikipedia, or history books or any other source of information you don't pay for, fuck off retard.

>>2614916
What the absolute fuck is wrong with YOU?
You don't even understand the spirit of Wikipedia anyway, WHY they're archiving that information to begin with.
Wikipedia and other such information aren't a subscription service you fucking penis, that's what the point of this is.
They're doing what they want with the knowledge and content that they fucking have, and that is to give it for free.
It's all about ownership and the desire to do what you wish with your ownership of something. Holy fuck.

>>2614443
So where are the dumps then? How do we know he isn't just lying to get us to shut up?

>>2614921
Wow you really do have reseller cock up your ass lol.
What repro of a prototype did you pay in to?
I hope you enjoy paying for everything in your life. I have a bridge in New York for you to buy too. Stop reading my posts, these are for paying patrons only, scum.

>>2614969
I like how you deflect like a total bitch and then start making accusations in the form of questions, and then continue to act like a faggot throughout the rest of your post with ridiculous hyperbole and straw manning.

If you can't argue the facts, fuck off.

>>2614916
>comparing the universal gift of knowledge to someone's personal property for reselling
really? really, faggot?

>>2614550
> The only reason to buy something is to give it away to beggars?

No, just purely as a middle finger gesture.

>>2609865
It's his copy so he can do whatever the hell he wants with it. My issue with him is more about accusing everyone of being thieves who want it for free despite him never putting up or accepting any offers to buy it from him.

>>2614985
But that does make them thieves, because the majority of those people bitching aren't offering. Ever.

>>2614986
So what? He can't jack himself off for being morally superior if he doesn't even allow anyone the chance to do the option he views as morally right. I can understand him being frustrated if he did offer it for sale but everyone just begs for him to dump it instead but that's not the case.

>>2614987
But he has made offers.
Someone already bought it.

That's how I know you're wrong.

>>2614989
Well my bad then. I thought the guy OP was talking about was the guy who posted a video if it on Youtube and then lashed out on anyone interested in the game. I had no clue he finally sold it.

>>2614990
Yeah, he is talking about that guy.
But that guy made offers that nobody wanted to meet, and even let people play it at certain festivals.

>>2614986
No, that isn't how that works. In order for them to be thieves they need to have actually stolen it.

You can't just go and call people thieves because they're already aware of the fact you won't accept any offers.

>>2614995
They want something without paying for it.
While you're right, it does make them have a thieves' mentality.

Him calling them thieves is a bit odd I have to admit.

>>2614995
>You can't just go and call people thieves because they're already aware of the fact you won't accept any offers.
Yes you can it just won't make sense. And he accepted an offer so what are you talking about.

>>2614997
Beggar is definitely the more appropriate word. While they want it with no strings attached, he still would have to upload himself.

>>2615000
When and where?

>>2611103
>literally apples and oranges

Fuck off.

>>2609973
>So why doesn't some autist steal it and dump it

Seems like a really bad idea to steal and essentially tell the whole world you stole a copy of a game with only one known owner.

>>2611497
>especially if it's worthless

The fact that people want it dumped proves it's not worthless.

>>2614550
>One of those Cheetahmen II Lost Levels things from that Kickstarter sold on ebay last month for $184.06.

Holy shit that actually got finished? I hadn't heard a damn thing about it since a week after the kickstarter even happened.

;_;

/vr/, you were meant to be /v/ but not shit.

Why /vr/ why?

>>2615059
Look, we are actually talking about a game. What more do you want?

>>2615059
/v/ got shitty

>>2615059
You retards have been saying this board turned to /v/ whenever you see a thread you don't like since a month after this place was created. Make up your damn minds if it's /v/ or not already cause I'm sick of seeing these posts nonstop.

>>2614947
Are you retarded? The dumps are stored safely away from faggots like you. You know he isn't just saying that to get you to shut up because you haven't fucking shut up, have you?

>>2614916
My big question for people who want this for free would be have you put forth any effort or money to preserve an undumped game or an undumped build of a game?

>>2615332
If I had the money I totally would. Personally I don't believe any piece of media should die even if it's a massive pile of shit because there will always be someone who would wanna check it out and there's no reason they shouldn't be allowed to if someone else didn't.

>>2615452
Good thing your feelings-based argument doesn't at all affect the fact that you're objectively an entitled baby.
"Personally I don't believe," good for you.

>>2615541
I'm giving you a reason why I would obtain and dump a copy if I had the money to do so you mong.

>>2615548
Yeah, well good thing your feelings-based reason doesn't at all affect the fact that you're objectively an entitled baby.
"Personally I don't believe," good for you.

>>2615550
How the hell would spending a shitload of cash to dump a game I wouldn't even enjoy just so someone in the future who learns about it can enjoy it makes me entitled?

>>2615554
Because you think that what he's offering is unreasonable solely because you personally don't believe any piece of media should die even if it's a massive pile of shit because there will always be someone who would wanna check it out and there's no reason they shouldn't be allowed to if someone else didn't.

>>2615559
I don't care what he's offering or that he's not dumping it. Anon asked if I had the money would I spend it to dump the game and I replied that I would and my reasonings for why I would. The guy who owns it has any right to do what he wants with it, would I love him to dump it? Sure. Am I gonna whine about how unfair it is for him not to do so? No because they can do whatever the fuck they want with it since they dished out the cash necessary to obtain the copy.

>>2615568
You're just entitled.

>>2615559
I can't tell if I'm drunk and just don't know it or if you write in the weirdest fucking way ever.

>>2615568
I'm pretty sure they asked if anyone here has ever put forth any effort or money, not if you would do it.

>>2615726
>I can't read prior posts
I was essentially quoting him.

>>2615809
Dude use greentext or something for quoting, that post is a mess. It reads like a legal document or a satire on bureaucrats.

>>2615816
It's meant to. That was the point.

>>2615571
That word you keep using doesn't mean what you think it does:

en·ti·tled
inˈtīdld,enˈtīdld/
adjective
believing oneself to be inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment.
"his pompous, entitled attitude"

None of what that anon is saying shows that he believes he is inherently deserving of a privilege or special treatment.

>>2615964
You obviously can't read, as that definition applies to his GIMME GIMME nature wholeheartedly.
Go back to Freddit, 8gag, whatever you kids call yourselves these days. I love smug idiots posting definitions and saying they don't fit the context when they absolutely do.
Leave the 4chan thread alone.

>>2615964
What? What piece of shit dictionary gave you THAT definition?

Entitled means to have a right bestowed upon someone. You're thinking of "self-entitled."

>>2616012
You complete retarded.

>>2615968
I don't see what's so "GIMME GIMME" about any portion of that post. All he said was that dumping the game would be what he would do if it were his property and that it ultimately isn't his call because it isn't his property.

>>2616025
Stop trolling the thread.

>>2616012
>Entitled means to have a right bestowed upon someone

Uh, no it doesn't, dude. What piece of shit dictionary gave YOU that definition?

>>2615968
How so? I fail to see how "I would spend my own money to give people this game for free if I had it" is "gimme gimme nature".

>>2616052
Stop the trolling right now. Post on-topic or not at all.

>>2616018
>>2616052

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/entitle

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/entitled

http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/entitled

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/entitle

So, I've got Oxford, Mirriam-Webster, and Collins, probably the most respected dictionaries you can find. What have you got, again? Dictionary.com and Google?

>>2616071
Alright, the mods can deal with you. You wouldn't stop or leave, so now you don't have a choice.

>>2616052
While I perfectly understand people not wanting to spend the money to obtain an undumped version of a game (though do keep in mind that not all undumped prototypes are as expensive as $1k), but I do feel that expecting someone to dump something for free is a bit much, especially if the the person making the demand has yet to make a similar contribution or been in a position to make a similar contribution.

>>2614989
>>2614990
The original owner was Jason Wilson, who sold it to the current owner. Jason Wilson is also the guy who released the blurry ass Youtube video, and did so deliberately to troll people like you.

The current owner is trying to do a licensed, official run of the game as reproduction cartridges.

Both Jason Wilson and the current owner dumped it. The dumps have not and most likely will not be released; they are solely for backup purposes.

The current owner has stated many, many times that it is not for sale.

>>2616075
So, discussing the intricacies of entitlement, as OP outlined, is off-topic and I'm being banned for this?

The game is his. He owns it, and he has no duty of care to preserve it or make copies of it, as he is ENTITLED to do what he wants with his own property, nor is anyone else here ENTITLED to deny him of that ENTITLEMENT.

That clear enough for you, chief?

>>2616196
>The current owner is trying to do a licensed, official run of the game as reproduction cartridges.

I'm still kind of baffled as to why. Then again, the singular review for it rated it as average so maybe it is better than it appears to be.

>>2616096
He's not saying he expects it, he's saying he is only saying if given the option he would distribute it for free.. He even stated EXPLICITLY that he understand's the owner's right not to distribute it.

goddamn i fucking hate when the word entitled is applied in this situation

i don't care about this stupid fucking game, but i would say that OTHER PEOPLE should have access to it. people go "oh, you're so entitled you think YOU should have the game" but here's the thing, i don't think i should have it, i don't fucking want it, i wouldn't waste the bandwidth to download it it if was leaked tomorrow, but i still think not making it available is a cunt move.

it's not about "gimme gimmie", it's "stop being a faggot and just share your shit with the other kids", no, he doesn't HAVE to, muh property rights and so on, but that doesn't mean refusing to share isn't antithetical to half the mentality of this shit.

no, you don't have to give to charity, that still means i'm going to call you a cunt for the manner in which you told that guilt espousing money beggar to go fuck herself.

A lot of trolling going on in this thread that has yet to stop.

>>2616232
>'m still kind of baffled as to why.
Because it's a rare pepe and he has dollar signs in his eyes.

>>2616259
>Pepe
>>>/r9k/
If we wanted to see and hear about memes all day we'd go to Reddit.

>>2616263
It's a joke. You know, because "rare pepes" aren't actually valuable?
In the same manner as the first person to buy a copy of this game can copy it and share it with everyone, making it just as valuable as one.

I have to wonder what the Reddit circlejerk thinks of Average Platformer: No ROM 4U though.

>>2616271
You could have said it without MEMEING IT UP WITH MY PALS XD and you know it.

2015 4chan is nothing but a memetic circlejerk rivaling 9gag of all things.

That said, who cares what Reddit thinks. If I wanted Reddit's opinion I'd go to Reddit and see.

>>2613049
This is meaningless word salad. Did you have a stroke right before writing this post?

Seriously, almost none of these words are real terms with any meaning in this context.

This entire story reads like a kids sitcom episode, it's perversely hilarious

>Guy gets the prototype copy of a one-off game
>Refuses to dump it as it would undermine the value of the game
>Decides to troll by uploading an incredibly terrible video of the game
>Flooded with requests to dump it
>"No"
>Offers to sell it for $5k, a Medieval Madness pinball machine or a (NES) Stadium Events original box with manual
>Someone accepts and buys it from him
>Promises that soon the public will have their socks the cat
>...In the form of repro carts, not ROMs, that have no obvious release date.

Seriously, this is some Ed Edd'n'Eddy get their jawbreakers only for 'em to be knocked out of their mouths and roll away tier stuff here.

>>2616286
It's almost like the SpongeBob SquarePants episode, "The Secret Box."

>>2616283
Ok then leave. I'm getting sick of half of every discussion here just being people redirecting to other boards when they see the slightest thing they don't like or declaring this place dead. If it's so dead then stop wasting your time shitting up the place and go do something that you'd actually enjoy.

>>2616283
>You could have said it without MEMEING IT UP WITH MY PALS XD and you know it.
I could have, but the comparison between a pointless rare game and a silly meme was obvious and relevant.

>2015 4chan is nothing but a memetic circlejerk rivaling 9gag of all things.
2015 internet as a whole is dead, buddy. Might as well build castles out of the festering corpse.

>>2615082
Well maybe he DID say it to get fuckers like me to shut up, but it obviously fucking backfired.

Anyway, I hope someone gets a hold of one of the repro carts at least and releases a dump online. A working dump of Pier Solar would be kewl too.

>>2616671
>A working dump of Pier Solar would be kewl too.

Why? It's not like it's not perfectly available to play for people that don't want to drop money on a cart.

Unless you just don't want to drop money on the game period, which just makes you kind of an ass.

If he wants to keep it to himself, then fine. It's not his creation or his achievement, and he had no involvement in it's production. That's fine too. Only the only shitty snes game is hardly braging rights. If he decides to treat it that way then, well, that's his only pathetic choice. The only way I'd ever be seriously offended is if he seriously tried to profit from it. The only part he ever played in this game's history is reminding people that it exists. He's a hype man. Hype men aren't shit.

tldr he's a faggot, ignore him

>>2616749
>The only way I'd ever be seriously offended is if he seriously tried to profit from it.
He does, he wants to make repro carts and won't gib ROM because it'd cut the value of those carts.

so tldr he's a faggot, ignore him.

>>2616576
>Ok then leave.
He says right before he tries to redirect me to someplace else in the same breath he bitches about people redirecting others to other boards.
Way to say absolutely nothing and prove yourself a hypocrite.

>>2612427
no, that's archeologists mentality

that's museum curator's mentality

>>2616671
There is a working pier solar rom out there, I played it until the second island.

>>2616615
that's because you apparently only live in the top sites, mass numbers, common denominator meme-repeting adult and youngsters

find niche forums for all the things you like discussing on ledit, you will find that when there are only a few hundred logged members, people don't waste time with idiocy

but its still anonymous and you can write what u want, it has usernames but just there isn't a report button for a legion of thousands of riled up internet warriors to autoban you

anonym img board has only the "no sucking up to popular users", bad it already has all the other negatives about gag, face, ledit..

>>2616710
I'm a filthy fucking pirate and I want to give Pier Solar a try before I drop any money on it... if I ever decide to.

>>2616250
>I'm not self entitled
>I'm 3rd party entitled.
The worst type of cunts because they believe that some how makes them better than self entitled cunts.

We should petition Nintendo to dump the rom. It's probably a shit game but this guy is being a douche and I'd like to ruin his day. I'm sure it's on a drive locked away in a vault somewhere.

>>2617909
Fuck you, nonce. Wanting good things for other people (in general principle) DOES make you better than feeling you deserve good things yourself without putting in any effort.

Unless you go full retard with it, like a male SJW.

>>2618162
>We should do something because I'm ignorant
You'd be amazed how often people as ignorant are you will follow someone as ignorant as you.

>>2618167
>Fuck you, nonce. I'm right

>Except when I'm wrong

>>2618171
The people who made this game never intended it to be hoarded by some faggot.

>>2611539
And then you'd be in jail, like a fag

>>2618179
>In general principle.
>General

>"Most games are on Windows"
>FUCK YOU WHAT ABOUT SOCKS THE CAT

>>2617032

Who woul want a repro of this game? Unless it's surprisingly good? But for knowing if it's good you would have to play it first. Hmmmm... Guess it will depend on the price.

>>2618271
> The game's bosses are caricatures of former Republican leaders such as Richard Nixon and George H. W. Bush.

It sounds amazing.

>>2618192
Who gives a fuck, it's what's happening now and there's nothing you can do about it.

I never intended to come across some self-entitled bitches who think they should own something but here I am. Get over it.

>>2618339
I'm not the angry faggot losing their mind on 4chan... There is nothing for me to get over.

>>2618354
I'm not angry just because I'm using curse words you big fucking faggot.

You're the one who's upset because GIMME BRUH NAO XD.

>>2618360
kek... I'll let you get back to your cock smoking.

>>2618364
>kek
I'm sorry, you get lost on your way back to Reddit there, chief?

>>2618365
How many threads are you behaving like a faggot in?

>>2618378
>Get #rekt for being a childish GIMME GIMME faggot
>Desperate deflection ensues

>>2618365
>>2618378

This is clearly you. Same time frame. Excessive use of caps. Go troll someone who cares.
>>2618356

>>2618383
You're wrong, but nice try.
Mind your own business, you don't want to fuck around in here.

>>2618389
Yeah, I'm sure it's real dangerous what with faggots arguing about whether some other faggot should share his toys.

>>2618404
Alright that does it you fucked around in here too much. Do you know what you've just done?

>>2618271
>Who woul want a repro of this game?
In his head: Everyone who demands a ROM
In Reality: The one guy who'll buy a copy to dump a ROM so /vr/ will call him a cool guy.

>>2618404
LMAO

>>2618415
>LMAO
>>>/t/witter/

>>2618407
What? Is the owner in this thread right now and about to smash the prototype with a hammer?

>>2618419
That would be fucking awesome. I'd pay to see that just to watch everyone lose their mind.

>>2618419
I would piss myself laughing if that happened.

>>2618419
I'd pay him to print a fake cover and tape it over a common-as-muck game, then smash it on cam. That'd be hilarious.

>>2618419
I'm sure this would give me more pleasure than the game.

>>2618458
The colossal amount of butthurt that would cause would tear /vr/ in two.

NO. Do not fucking destroy that game at all, if you do that nobody will get a piece of American history.
>>2618419
>>2618425
>>2618440
>>2618458
>>2618475
What the fuck is wrong with you people?
Stop it. Now. Don't give him any ideas.

>>2618505
SMASH IT ON YOUTUBE!!!! YOU"LL GET A TON OF VIEWS AND MAKE MONEY OFF THE ADVERTISING!!!!!

I pledge to watch it 100 times.

>>2618537
Dude, fuck off, for real. Don't tell him that you fucking twat, he's going to do it then. Shut the fuck up and leave the thread right now.

>>2618539
I want him to do it.

All we are is dust in the wind...

>>2618546
Fucking. Leave. Don't smash the cart, owner guy. Don't listen to this fucking faggot. Release the ROM but don't fucking smash the cart, please.

Fucking hell, he isn't going to fucking smash it. The owner isn't a teenager or some shit. The chances of him ever seeing this thread are slim, chances of caring about this thread are next to none.

>>2618552
SMASH IT ON YOUTUBE!!!!!!!!!!

>>2618558
Fuck off you total fucking faggot.

>>2618561
SMASH IT!!!!!!!!!!! PLAY THAT MUSIC FROM OFFICE SPACE WHILE YOU DO IT!!!!!

Damn it feels good to be a gangster....

>>2618557
I'm actually thinking about it.

>>2618572
No, fucking stop. Dude, please, come on, dump the ROM and let us play it. Don't do this man, this is history in your hands. You're controlling history, don't you get it? Video game history, American history, each intertwining, you don't want to destroy the cart. Please, think about what you're doing.

http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?StartRow=1&catid=35&threadid=62349

Go to page 21 or something if you want to see the PCB.

>>2618575
I want to make money. If I repro the carts one of you will just dump the rom and I won't make any money. If I smash it on youtube however... that's a guaranteed pay day.

>>2618583
Fuck dude, no, stop, please. Look, fuck, I'll buy it. I'll buy the cart. How much do you want?

>>2618575
You realize you're just amusing him/giving him what he wants/making yourself look like a manchild, right?

>>2618589
$5,000

>>2618601
Okay. Okay. I'll sell some things and get back to you shortly but don't fucking destroy that cart. Please. Hold onto it.

>>2618608
I'm probably still gonna smash it.

There is almost no chance that the owner is in this thread. The owner is obtaining legal rights to the game and wants to make money from selling the game as a proper release. He isn't going to smash the prototype on YouTube to piss people off. That would make no fucking sense and potentially jeopardize people's faith in him. If anything he will keep the game for his collection or sell it off once he tries to legally distribute the game. However, no matter how he tries to protect the data, it will almost assuredly wind up on the internet.

>>2618620
NO, DON'T. I SAID I'D FUCKING PAY YOU, JUST DON'T FUCKING DO THAT, PLEASE.

I didn't think this thread could possibly get worse, but now we have

>ITT: Socks the Cat cart owner and desperate gaming historian: The RP

>>2609870
I actually heard of this game in a fucking children's picture book about Bill Clinton many years ago. I need to see this game

>>2610494
I'm against shit like this, but knowing his shitty attitude, he deserves it

>>2618664
That's it. I'm smashing it.

>>2618682
NO! STOP IT!
>>2618664
WHAT THE FUCK IS THE MATTER WITH YOU? HE'S GOING TO DESTROY HISTORY AND YOU DON'T EVEN CARE.

>>2618682
JUST DO IT

>>2618673
>I heard of this thing, I am now required to experiencing it in full

I didn't think this thread could get stupider, but what do you know.

>>2618505
>NO. Do not fucking destroy that game at all, if you do that nobody will get a piece of American history.
Yes, but that means he won't have it, which makes it a perfect ending to the story.

SMASH THE CART, MONETIZE THE BUTTHURT

>>2618620
Smash it and give him a copy of Mario with a duplicate socks label on it.

Don't let him play it until he goes home.

>>2618725
Fucking stop, please!

>>2618726
On the bright side, he'd be playing a good game.

>>2618729
No. Socks the cat must die in the electrosphere as he did in the real world. It's the only way to end his pain.

What I learned from this thread:
>If you want to play a game you always have to buy it
>if you want to emulate a game you have to buy the cart and dump the rom yourself otherwise you're an entitled baby
>wanting to play an old or rare game without paying $1000+ makes you entitled
>being entitled is bad

Wow, good thing not everyone is a corporate shill like the people here.

>>2618816
>Everyone who disagrees with people who don't believe in private ownership is a corporatist shill

Good thing everyone's not fucking stupid like you are, either.

>>2618816
you're a dumbass

>>2618819
you're a jew

>>2618816
Good thing nobody said any of those things in this thread though right? Way to strawman. Since when is telling people that they can't just have what they're not willing to pay for "corporate shilling?" Did you just listen to your first Green Day album and spend a day at a Hot Topic because you just haphazardly jammed both of those words into your bullshit. That sole cartridge is the private property of a sole man and it is his to do with as he pleases, and in no way asking you people to pay for what he wants payment for is a corporate-minded philosophy, it's a capitalistic venture but it's in no way corporate. Glad I could even you out here.
>>2618821
While I'm not that Anon you should go back to /pol/ where calling people Jews is the response from people without an argument.

>>2618816
There's a difference between engaging in mutually beneficial give and take relationships and one-sided giveaways. If you have obtained and dumped an undumped game build free of charge or made similar contributions to the old games community, then you have more room to talk. Otherwise you are just expecting others to do all the work and make all the sacrifices so you can reap all of the benefits without any of the costs or risks.

>>2618827
The thing is, he's the one violating the standard relationship.

The vast majority of people dumped games without any reward (except credit to them for it), why should he be special? You don't have to have dumped a game yourself to say "You are violating the expected social norms of this community."

I don't even care about the game or a ROM, but he's violating social norms n shit, not that anyone cares about culture in 2015.

>>2618839
Because it's his choice and his property.
A lot of you kids don't seem to understand that.
"Expected social norms," wow, feelings-based arguments, cool.

>>2618825
I never said the guy doesn't have any right to his property and that he should dump the rom for the sake of "gaming history", I'm just amazed at the arguments you people come up with to justify that singular point. By calling people entitled or insulting them for wanting to play this game without paying for it all you're doing is looking like corporate shills who will say anything for the sake of money. I'm sure Nintendo would love it if all their console emulators went away so their online store could drum up some more sales, right?

>>2618827
I'm sure a good majority of emulator users don't do a single thing to benefit the community. I wonder if there are even anybody on this board that hasn't emulated.

>>2618851
None of that matters. I'm not arguing he should dump the shitty game, I'm arguing it's completely fine to make a pariah out of him for not following the standards of the community he's in.

You want to keep the cart to yourself, fine, do so, but don't think you're welcome discussing retro games with us anymore. You're not. Freedom of association dictates we're free not to associate with you anymore because you think keeping the game to yourself is more valuable.

>>2618852
You're not using "corporate shills" properly, there's no corporation being shilled for. Stop trying to jam words in like some /pol/tard to give your post more substance, we can see right through it.
There are no "points," just a singular point.
It is his fucking property. Do you not get that?
Are you fucking stupid?

>>2618851
>feelings-based arguments
all arguments are based on feelings you stupid faggot.

property rights fall away the minute someone has a bigger stick than you. they're another "feelings based argument"

where are your magical property rights when the government takes taxes from you? OH RIGHT, THEY HAVE A HUGE STICK. where are your property rights when they confiscate things from you? BIG STICK, where are your property rights in shitty african states where a warlord wrecks your shit and takes your stuff? BIG STICK.

now shut up and suck on my BIG STICK, fag.

>>2618853
It doesn't make you sound any less entitled or retarded for making a pariah out of a guy for doing what he wants to with his own fucking property.
He's made more contributions than you probably ever will in your life to the retro gaming community, so his seat's earned and meanwhile you're just some dipshit on the 4chan thinking he calls the shots about who can and can't discuss retro gaming with "us," like that's a fucking privilege to begin with.

>>2618816
>"learned"

I'm not normally a fan of this argument, but goddamn, your reading comprehension is fucking deficient.

>>2618858
>all arguments are based on feelings you stupid faggot.

Lol, no.

>>2618859
>It doesn't make you sound any less entitled or retarded for making a pariah out of a guy for doing what he wants to with his own fucking property.
Freedom of association.
>He's made more contributions than you probably ever will in your life to the retro gaming community, so his seat's earned
Being nice in the past doesn't earn you the right to be a dick later.
>like that's a fucking privilege to begin with.
Freedom of association.

This is the most autistic thread on /vr/ tbh

>>2618861
whoah, look at that citation.

let me guess, muh property rights are NATURAL rights (which somehow need to be enforced, usually by the state)

you have no rights, faggot. when the chips are down, big sticks win.

>>2618864
>This retard still going on

>When he's contributed nothing

>And is a massive faggot

>And is objectively wrong

Massive kekkles, bro. Other people who want to wheel and deal with the guy can and are obviously still doing so, and a nobody like you doesn't matter. I didn't deny your freedom of association, faggot, stop strawmanning.

Damn, you're a big faggot.

>>2618839
I wasn't aware that dumping games and distributing them free of charge is the norm. Would it be nice and cool of him to do so? Yeah, of course it would. But I just find it hard to see how people who haven't made similar contributions to the community can expect him to do such things. Now, I understand that not everyone can afford or wants to spend thousands on games. There are prototypes that are significantly cheaper than that.

I'd guess that people who go to great lengths to document prototypes and how they differ from retail releases (see: Rockman 7 proto article on tcrf) might have some room to have expectations since they too made significant contributions to the community free of charge.

>>2618853
>You want to keep the cart to yourself, fine, do so, but don't think you're welcome discussing retro games with us anymore. You're not. Freedom of association dictates we're free not to associate with you anymore because you think keeping the game to yourself is more valuable.

You say that as if
(a) he's begging for community acceptance despite him clearly courting controversy
(b) You're not discussing him and his precious game, furiously. yeah that'll show him you don't give a shit

>>2618870
>He's changing the subject, moving the scope of the argument and typing like a typical Twitter user since he can no longer win the original argument

>>2618878
i'm not changing the subject at all: any argument based on "muh rights" is a feelings based argument.
you act like any "i should hav gaem" argument is feelings based, while ignoring that "i hav right not to gib gaem" is just as much a feelings based argument. rights are feelings-based constructs.

>>2618885
>"i hav right not to gib gaem" is just as much a feelings based argument.

And it is also not an argument that anyone here has made.

>>2618825
>your greed is comparable to a humorous stereotype of an extremely greedy person to the point you yourself have become an living caricature.
is this more politically correct?

>>2618885
>He's still trying to change the subject, deliberately misinterpreting the fact that this man has a right to do whatever he likes with his own property and changing it into a "WELL IF I HAVE A BIGGER STICK IT'S MY GAME NOW HA HA HA" discussion
Lol.

>>2618856
And the SNES and ALL of its games are NINTENDO'S property. If you emulate you are entitled and stealing, etc. If you defend this guy and emulate you are a hypocrite.

>>2618901
>this man has a right to do whatever he likes with his own property
no he doesn't, rights are feelings based constructs.
>>2618893
see above. :^)

>>2618853
I want an original label for the most expensive cartridge you own. Please rip it off and send it to me because I want it and feel that the normal thing to do is to help each other out, even at the cost of devaluing our possessions.

>>2618905
>Trying to base the argument on a hypothetical scenario in which I emulate games
Lol.
>>2618907
I'm sorry, I don't see anybody else encroaching on that "feelings-based right," as society at large seems to agree to the right of personal property. Meanwhile you're still changing the subject and I'm not letting you.
Property rights being feeling-based aren't even the scope of the discussion the rest of us are having. What's being discussed is that all of your arguments so far have been feelings-based, which they are. There are no facts backing your arguments and it all comes down to GIVE ME IT OR YOU'RE A CORPORATE SHILL BRUH.

>>2618907
"He should dump the game" is feelings based.
"He should not dump the game" would be feelings based.

("I have a right to not get the game" is not something anyone actually said.)

"He is not obligated to do anything with the game" is fact based.

can someone give me a tl;dr of what's going on right now

>>2618898
Oh wow so offensive, you're really so offensive and it wasn't about you acting like a /pol/tard, I just didn't want you to offend my sensibilities with your so politically incorrect babbling about Jews! Oh my God, I'm triggered!

>>>/pol/

>>2618914
>Physical objects are the same as digital data.
You are the biggest retard alive.

>>2618923
People having fun by arguing on 4chan despite no one having a chance of effectively changing anything.

I personally enjoy it.

>>2618929
>I should be able to have anything so long as it's digital data
You are the biggest retard alive.

>>2618929
Sharing the data would devalue his physical cartridge. He'd still have the cartridge, though it would be worth less. Ripping a label off your cartridge would devalue the cartridge. You'd still have the cartridge, though it would be worth less.

>>2618916
Well if you don't emulate congratulations on being such an upstanding citizen. Personally I would like to still be able to play the SNES library in 20-50 years.

>>2618916
oh, you think i'm corporate-shill guy. hah, you're a retard who can't follow anonymous discussion then.
>Property rights being feeling-based aren't even the scope of the discussion the rest of us are having
oh really?
>What's being discussed is that all of your arguments so far have been feelings-based
right, so my (corporate-shill-acusation-guy?) arguments are feelings based, which invalidates them... but your arguments, based on the societal concept of property rights, which are feelings based... is valid. that makes total sense.

>>2618920
>"He is not obligated to do anything with the game" is fact based.
ob·li·ga·tion
ˌäbləˈɡāSH(ə)n/
noun
noun: obligation; plural noun: obligations

an act or course of action to which a person is morally or legally bound; a duty or commitment.
"he has enough cash to meet his present obligations"

you could argue he has a moral duty to :^)

>>2618928
at least you're honest

>>2618936
kicking you in the balls would hurt your balls. you'd still have your balls, though they would hurt more. ripping the skin off your balls would hurt your balls. you'd still have your balls, though they would hurt more.

that doesn't make the two equivalent.

>>2618940
But "moral" is obviously less concrete and lends itself to feelings. Morality is relative. Legally, it is quite clear that he has no duty to do anything in particular with his property.

>>2618941
>I'm a fucking retard who can't understand sarcasm

I want to play this game because it looks like a unique meme game. I also like Bill Clinton.

>>2618956
rights are feelings based and often inspired by morality. that guy clearly cited property rights while also deriding feelings based arguments. he is a fool.

getting into legality is stupid since most ROMs are illegal anyway, nobody gives a fuck.

>>2618959
see
>>2618959

>>2618960

Is Bill Clinton the final boss of this game or something? Or is Hillary Clinton the final boss. She was the final boss in NBA JAM! HE'S ON FIRE!

>>2618962
I'm just saying, the people who are arguing that he does not have to do anything in particular with the game is not "feelings based," it's a simple fact.

>rights are feelings
If you're going to continue pretending that law is nothing more than an elaborate illusion of "feelings," pat yourself on the back for ebin trollan and have a good day playing anything besides Socks the Cat, which you can't, feelings or not

>>2618962
I agree, all of this is feelings based arguing.

I feel like he doesn't need to post the rom online if he's selling the repros. Those that really want to play it can buy, others will just wait until sales drop enough and he gives it up himself (or copy the repro).

>>2618980

The main character is Bill's famous cat, Socks, and the bosses are apparently caricatures of former Republican presidents like Reagan and George Sr.

That alone makes it interesting enough to me to warrant playing it, really. It's like a culmination of all the shit that got licensed out for games, making a game about the US President's cat.

He doesn't have to post the ROM or sell the cart. All of this arguing about rights by faggots playing juinor law students and thinking they're cute for mentioning retard-tier loopholes while not exercising their beliefs is irrelevant.
He owes you nothing. C*nts.

>>2618945
Both are devaluing one's property for someone else's benefit, whether it is due to the physical condition of the item deteriorating or the data on the thing becoming less unique. At the end of the day one person is sacrificing the value of something he owns for the benefit of other people.

I say it again, I think it would be awesome of him to share it. People demanding that he do so while offering nothing to help cover his loss or contributing something to the gaming community themselves, however, just seem greedy and willing to find any way possible to justify why they don't have to or can't contribute back to the community while other people should do so without benefit.

>>2618981
>I'm just saying, the people who are arguing that he does not have to do anything in particular with the game is not "feelings based," it's a simple fact.
until they invoke property rights, at which point it becomes feelings based.

property rights are feelings. the law which covers the abstract concept of "property" is separate from the "right", hence why certain types of property have differing rights (for example, owning a CD doesn't give you the right to copy the contents infinitely, because the law decided that "intellectual property rights" are a thing and in some cases supersede physical property rights, BUT you can't have intellectual property rights over certain original intellectual creations either because intellectual property (under the law) is distinct from the abstract concept of intellectual property rights.

>>2618993
>He doesn't have to post the ROM or sell the cart.
You don't have to give money to the homeless either, but flashing your wallet at them while giving them fuck all still makes you a dick.

A dick who doesn't have to give them anything: But still a dick. And everyone has a right to call you a dick, but then it turns into an argument about whether he's REALLY a dick because actually he doesn't HAVE to give that money and maybe he doesn't even own that money because RIGHTS ARE AN ABSTRACT CONCEPT, FULL COMMUNISM NOW, THROW AWAY THE MONEY, SMASH THE CART.

>>2619007
Him being a dick is irrelevant. He doesn't have to do anything for you. Nobody cares that he's a dick. But if you people want to act like faggots because he's being a dick more power to you, that doesn't stop you from being criticized especially with your weak ass bullshit about BUT HE OWES US.

>>2619007
Not who you are replying to, but apparently he is going to sell the game as a proper legal release in the future. Assuming he does this, he is giving people the opportunity to play the game, but only if they are willing to sacrifice something (money) themselves, which I'm sure to some people will somehow be just as bad as if he'd never release it at all.

>>2618998
>I refuse to recognize the law
Neat

Nevertheless, nothing can compel him to dump the game.

>>2619013
>Him being a dick is irrelevant
No it isn't. 4chan has a fuckload of threads dedicated to calling people dicks and laughing at them.

He doesn't OWE anyone anything. You don't HAVE to give the homeless guy money, as I said, but he doesn't have to be half as public about it as he was. (He sort of picks up the can from the last owners, who were outright trolling over it.)

>>2619015
I'd expand the analogy to say a rich McDonalds CEO telling an obviously drunk homeless guy "oh, you can get a job at McDonalds and I'll give you the $2 you ask for :^)" still makes him a dick (and probable autist) even if he does it with good intent. He's a drunk homeless guy, he's not going to hold down a job for that shitty $2 and you just look like you're trying to make a buck off him. He's technically giving him a chance to earn that money, but the chance just comes across as self interested instead of charitable.

I mean it's redundant because the minute repros hit, any comparison between physical CEOmoney and the cart implodes because one guy will buy a cart and start printing metaphorical dollars (uploading a ROM). leading to the implosion of the hypothetical economy and the takeover of the hypothetical US by hypothetical fascist paramilitaries.

>>2619038

Unless he asks like $500 a cart, I would hope that most people on the internet could afford a reasonably priced game if they really want to play it. And yeah, I'm sure someone will dump and share it as soon as it goes up for sale. That's just the way of the internet.

I think part of it comes down to some people wanting to spend or sacrifice literally nothing to play old games, perhaps because they've only lived or played the games in a time where they have never had to. That's fine, too. I just don't think people who don't significantly give back to the community themselves should try to take a moral high ground by throwing out what they supposedly would do if they had the game or what they think is the norm for the community and using these arguments to bash the guy.

>>2618923

Socks the cat has a new owner but still won't dump the rom because he wants to do repros instead. People start discussing that the game should be shared which others which others disagree with. This leads to a discussion about "muh feelings" as an argument.
Meanwhile one Anon samefags the hell out of a side story involving him claiming to have the game and being about to destroy it and another poster or more begging and pleading him not to.

>>2619038
I really like the way you equate a drunk homeless guy with the angry children here. It's almost a 1:1 correlation
Can't afford their own place...Check
Mentally impaired...Check
Old enough to drink...Aww fuck.

>>2619093
You'll be sorry. I really am going to smash it. Check youtube this Saturday. I'll be posting it when I get back in town. You fags have made it clear that if I make repro carts you'll just dump the roms. Fuck you all. I'll get paid for this game one way or another.

>>2619234
>wait a week in a thread that's half way to the bump limit and is only 4 days old
yeah that'll work.

>>2619239
Just check youtube. That's all I'm saying.

>>2619234

>Saturday

Does printing a believable sticker take that long? No sports game in the house?

>>2619303
This thread is hilarious.

>>2619234
Here is the photo that the guy uploaded if you want to make your hoax legit.