/vr/ - Retro Games

All of the cartridge had varying different chipsets and amounts of memory. More than just a rom.

>>2608842
>>2608840
Yeah honestly, Neo Geo is one of those systems I wouldn't care about not having originals. Bootlegs would be fine.

if only there was some way to just play them on your computer instead of having to buy consoles and cartridges

>>2608842
The NES was the same thing, yet it did get a Ever Drive.

>>2608850
Yeah, then everyone would do that and the price of games would plummet.

>>2608840
It's probably because there are a bunch of xxx-in-1 multicarts already. Do you have an AES? You know you can play MVS games on it with an adapter right?

>>2608840
Not common enough to justify the development costs, the additional boards would jack up the cost even more and designing a flexible interface that'd load the proper files on both banks would present a challenge.

It'd probably be more cost effective to design an optical drive emulator for the CDZ with support for loading ROMs.

>>2608994
Oh yeah, the CDZ is basically an MVS with a flash drive that loads from disc. I forgot about that thing even though I once almost bought one - or more precisely allowed a girlfriend to buy it for me with her dead grandma money

>>2608850
If only poorfags would stop twisting their jealously into false elitism.

>>2608840
Because NeoGeo collectors are fucking insane and I can easily see them murdering someone who made a flashcart for that console.

>>2608850
if only there was some way for emulator fags to shut the fuck up.
Don't you have some roms to go play for 5 minutes and then sigh because you're bored?

>>2609029
Roms are what flash cartridges run too, Anon.

>>2608863
Is this like the video game equivalent of Scrooge McDuck's money vault.

>>2609029
put a gun in your mouth and pull the trigger, autist

>>2608853
good

>>2608863
yeah but even still some MVS carts are sorta pricey, albeit much more affordable. and even then, the adapters are pretty difficult to find and also expensive. I was seriously looking into buying an AES with an adapter, and a 300 (I think) in 1 multicart but finding the adapter was a fucking bitch and I wound up having to fix my car so I didn't go through with it.

>>2609029
And you think it's any different from storing hundreds of games on a flashcart? If you're bored after 5 minutes it might be because you don't really like the game.

>>2609029
emulator fag who you're mad at here

i have about 10 games loaded in openemu. i don't download full sets, i just keep the ones i see that i want to play or haven't gotten around to. :^)

>>2609025
Took the words right out of my mouth.

Neo Geo collectors are the worst form of autism, even more so than prototype hoarders.

anyone ever seen the 60 in 1 multi? i say a guy in a youtube vid with it but cant find it anywhere

>>2608840
Because no one would sell krikzz their MGD2 to copy.
Also because many carts are hard to reproduce in a flash cart. Compatibility would be low or the price would be high.

>>2608850
kek

>>2608851
No it didn't. You don't have a clue. Probably never even seen a Neo Geo cart let alone the inside.

>>2608863
The multicarts are all shit for the same reason making a good flash cart is difficult

>>2608840

The Neo Geo is a niche console that is extremely expensive and extremely easy to emulate on extremely cheap devices.

A $20 Dreamcast, a $40 PSP, or the Computer you're using to read this post can all emulate the Neo Geo.

Also, a lot of its solid games have been released in official collections over the years so it's easier to play NG games on other systems that cost significantly less.

Anyone hardcore enough into collecting to buy a physical Neo Geo is probably hardcore enough that they would balk at some filthy flashcart.

>>2609902
The dreamcast neo geo emulator is garbage
NO FUCKING SOUND!

>>2609946

what are you even talking about?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NDAgM1iojw

>>2608840
because neo geo is hard

bank switching, etc. all kinds of magic and hardware tomfoolery went into the later titles.

Darksoft is supposedly beginning R&D on one, though. expect the neo geo manbabies to lose their fucking shit once there's a working prototype

also, you can get chinese multicarts for like $50 you know.

>>2609005
uh, the CD versions of the games are missing tons of frames and take eons to load. the CD system is junk

>>2609954
>hard
>bank switching
kek. kids will be kids, I guess

>>2609375
Yeah those Neo Geo guys are fucking insane.

Its not even autism.

I legitimately think someone would take a hit out on someone trying to develop a flashcart for AES or MVS.

>>2610423
it's the neo geo collectors trying to dissuade people from devaluing their precious xboxhuge cartridges.

>>2610423
he's right, also crazy ass decryption

>>2609954
>bank switching, etc. all kinds of magic and hardware tomfoolery went into the later titles.
The NES was the same thing and it also got a Ever Drive, a V2 version that can do 2MB (1MB PRG & 1MB CHR) games and better MMC5/mapper support is needed however.

>Darksoft is supposedly beginning R&D on one, though
Good, please let it be 256MB due to how Neo Geo roms work.

>Cost.
The SD2SNES is also expensive but it still sells alot, a V2 with a pass through adaptor for SA-1 & Super FX games is needed however.

Also games that programs can take the full 4GBs as well and not just for red book audio & FMV viva the MSU2.

>>2610431
It's hard to tell who's serious or trolling these days. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and guess trolling?

>>2610432
>I also don't know what the fuck I'm talking about
Thank God.Until you the Internet only had one.

>>2610570
it's not quite as simple as what they did on nes. it also requires a lot more fucking memory to work.

i'm not saying it's impossible, or that it requires a quantum physicist, I am saying that it's more difficult than something like a NES flash cart, and the ROI is far lower, so no one has bothered up until now.

also, no one wants to deal with the neo community, they are even worse than we are

>>2610620
So it costs just as much as a SD2SNES cart, thats fine.

>>2609427
so functionally, what issues do the multicarts actually have then?

Quick question;

All the AES' for sale on ebay are Japanese models. Does that mean if I don't change the BIOS, all the games will play in Japanese?

>>2609427
>No it didn't. You don't have a clue. Probably never even seen a Neo Geo cart let alone the inside.

Yes it did. Have you even read about what the different NES mappers do? There is a lot of shit the NES wouldn't be able to do without them. They added memory, allowed for different scrolling modes, and in the case of some Famicom carts, even added whole new audio channels.

>>2610649
They can't run any game that's not basically just a ROM, so they can only run about half the library. Despite claiming they run 161 games out of a ~150 game library. kek

>>2611315
Mappers are trivial by comparison. The complexity of Neo Geo carts is more like SNES carts with custom chips.

>>2610570
>The SD2SNES is also expensive but it still sells alot, a V2 with a pass through adaptor for SA-1 & Super FX games is needed however.
No, it's not. What is needed, is a programmer that actually gives a shit. I'm half convinced that Byuu was originally involved with programming the SD2SNES and the guy behind it fucked him over. What other excuse could there be, for why SD2SNES fully supports MSU1, while the C4 chip is STILL running overclocked and basic support for other chips like SA1 & SuperFX don't exist 4+ years later? There's something shady about the whole thing.

>>2608840
Because there's hardly a market for it. Most people who bought a Neo Geo are doing it because they enjoy collecting the games for it. Also I'm sure the bigass cart size is also a factor in it.

>>2611142
yup. you'll need a UniBIOS installed to make them play in English. UniBIOS is best anyway, since you can do shit like play Metal Slug ans SamSho in english, with blood.

>>2611651
because msu adds far simple things.

>>2611664
This. People who just want to play the games emulate, or have consolised MVS'. Only collectors bother with the cost of owning an AES.

And as far a collecting video games goes, there's not much cooler than a CIB AES game. The presentation is tops.

>>2608840
The Neo Geo AES is a rich-man's system OP. Collecting is even more expensive and hard than Sega Saturn collecting.

>>2609046
Some Anon found some lady selling that lot on Craigslist. He tried to buy it for like $100 bit she wised up slightly and he almost gave up but we (mainly I) spooned him through hard negotiation and he ended up getting it for about $600. Still the best deal I ever saw.

>>2611651
A pass through slot is needed in the end for SA-1 & Super FX support and a 16MB program rom cap is not good for homebrew, 4GB is however good and if the MSU2 chip were to ever get made with a much larger program rom cap (16MB to 4GB) and SA-1 & Super FX support though the pass through slot then the SNES will be a much better system for home brew.

If they can do 4GB for the MSU2 chip then 256MB for the Neo Geo Ever Drive will be easy for them.

>>2611668
Wrong, you can just go into the game menu and switch the language to english. WIth a japanese system it will show the blood with no bios needed. If you have a US system then you would need the bios

>>2609902
I have plenty of MVS cartridges and I would welcome an AES/MVS flashcart with open arms. There are plenty of games which are really expensive on both formats(Twinkle Star Sprites, Pulstar, Metal Slug 5, Garou MotW) and also a few games which don't have an official cartridge release.(Ironclad, Ghostlop, Crossed Swords 2)

>>2611668
You can have both English and blood if you use an European BIOS through the UniBIOS or by itself.

>>2612016
Does this always work? I'm pretty sure some games block off the English language option if you use a JP BIOS.

>>2611998
>A pass through slot is needed in the end for SA-1 & Super FX support
Considering the fact that the FAQ says that won't work, that'll never happen.

>Q11: Can enhancement chip XY be realized using a pass-through adapter with the original enhancement chip on top?
>A11: The only enhancement chip where that would work is the DSP series (DSP1-4, ST0010) which are already supported natively. All other enhancement chips have the game ROM “behind” them and control access to it, which a cartridge plugged in parallel to the sd2snes cannot do.

>>2612741
Thats the V1 version of it however, They can fix it for a V2 version.

>>2612741
Thats for the V1 version of it, however they can fix it for a V2 version if it's made.

>>2613041
>All other enhancement chips have the game ROM “behind” them and control access to it, which a cartridge plugged in parallel to the sd2snes cannot do.

>>2613147
Again, thats the version that we have right now, a new hardware version can fix that.

>>2613450
>Tfw the only reason I haven't picked up another SNES is because no flashcart can play the games I want to play.

I know I'm going to get shit on for this, but why can't they just emulate those chips some how? It couldn't passibly be that hard.

>>2613450
No, it cannot. That's what the FAQ says. There will NOT be a new version because all other special chips rely on a direct pipeline to the rom. Learn to read. You dumb fuck.

>>2613557
It obviously is that hard what makes you think it isn't?

>>2614295
>>2614310
REEEEEEE!!!!!!

>>2614310
Idk, why can't they make it do what they are saying it needs to do? Why can't it pass through a chip that emulates the chip it needs to be as it needs to be it? Like, game doesn't need it, it's just a passthrough, game needs Super FX or whatever it emulates that chip. I'm genuinely curious as to why they can't somehow do this?

>>2614295
actually he needs a bigger FPGA as stated in the various threads in his shitty site with the family news, that no one cares to read.
So >>2613450
YOU ARE CORRECT!

>>2614295
LEARN TO READ YOU STUPID ASS PIECE OF SHIT!

IT NEEDS A BIGGER FPGA SO A NEW REVISION IS NEEDED YOU DUMB FUCK!
Q12: Will the sd2snes eventually support every game of the SNES library?

A12: Most likely not. Some enhancement chips are too powerful to be supported by the onboard FPGA, and for some others I can only say I don’t know before I’ve tried. See http://sd2snes.de/blog/status#enhance for the current state of enhancement chips.
Unlikely:

ST-011
requires 54kB of Block RAM; the FPGA only provides 36kB of Block RAM.
ST-018
ARMv3 core with 128kB of embedded program ROM, 32kB data ROM, and 16kB RAM. Out of reach for the FPGA.

>>2614338
Short answer is because it is that hard. They can "somehow" do this. By spending a few more years figuring out exactly how it works and implementing it in logic.

>>2614410
Okay, that's all I needed to hear.

>>2613450
Do you want to pay around $600 just for a bigger FPGA, I don't think anyone would do it.
So everyone have to stick with the current SD2SNES.
Also why does the super everdrive cost as much as the sd2snes if the thing is not as powerful also DOES IT have a weaker FPGA inside?

>>2614684
dude what
SED is way cheaper

>>2608840
Hi. Ever since Igor (the guy behind everdrive) was mentioning that he was about to release a Mega Drive (yeah Mega Drive, fuck Genesis) flashcard, I immediately ask him what were his thoughts about a Neo Geo flashcard.
He told me that he indeed had some research on that, however he said that it would have cost a small fortune due the different hardware all those games utilize plus he wasn't sure of the demand.
It is very feasible non the less. If you Neo Geo fanatics want one, start sending him emails and express your interest.

He did say it was possible, but the cost of such a device would be high due to costs of parts his estimate was about $500

>>2610428

God knows they could afford it.

>>2610428
Its the same with the Jaguar, they are 100% against ROMs all 10 of them (poke) are anti flash cart, besides the Skunkboard that can only hold one ROM and is used purely for development

>>2614979
what if he gets killed by the neo geo faggots and none of us get flash carts anymore?

>>2614376
Man you're ass must be hurting right now, cause a hardware version featuring a larger FPGA has absolutely nothing to do with using a "pass-through solution". And that is what you WERE claiming it needs. Once again:

>>(you) A pass through slot is needed in the end for SA-1 & Super FX support

>Q11: Can enhancement chip XY be realized using a pass-through adapter with the original enhancement chip on top?
>A11: The only enhancement chip where that would work is the DSP series (DSP1-4, ST0010) which are already supported natively. All other enhancement chips have the game ROM “behind” them and control access to it, which a cartridge plugged in parallel to the sd2snes cannot do.

You're an idiot. Please kill yourself.

>>2616359
Again, that the version we have right now, we are talking about making a new version with more stuff in it and a more advance FPGA chip with a modern ARM (a 4 core Cortex A53 with a Cortex M4 for IO/LPCM sound) chip in the cart.

>>2618737
a more advanced FPGA won't change the fact that you need PHYSICAL ELECTRICAL CONTACT BETWEEN THE ENHANCEMENT CHIP AND THE GAME MASK ROMS

>>2618926
With logic that accurately emulated/reproduced the custom chip connected to whatever RAM/Flash/whatever is in this mythical flash cart from the future it would work.

There's no point continuing your argument with this aspie. His whole premise is "if someone makes a new card that works it will work". No shit sherlock. You can't intelligently argue against that any more than you can debate religion with a baked potato.

>>2619259
The point that was made is that the FPGAs available aren't powerful enough and one that is would be massively expensive and unsuitable for mass production.

>>2618737
you can quit trying to change the subject. everyone reading knows you got told and raged like a little cunt. end of story.

>>2619271
So?

>>2619628
So, no matter what you try, support for those chips isn't happening

>>2619630
But it is happening. People are building better and cheaper FPGAs right now and people are working on implementing the chips in them.
When that's all done it will have happened.

>>2615442
Yeah. Fuck neo geo fanbois. They can eat kek.

>>2609013

You honestly think buying a thing is something to be proud of?

>>2622159
but kek is delicious

>>2622273
the delicious kek is a lie

Isn't it easy to get the all-the-games-in-one multicart for the MVS and play it on the AES?
Not really into Neo Geo but that's probably what I would do.

Also, for the price of AES systems, accessories, and games... might as well just get a Neo Geo cab and collect MVS games.

>>2622552
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DfjKtUItsM

>>2622258
no, but he's right that generally the issue with poorfags is jealously and not much else

This is the part of the thread where I bring up the Neo Geo X and how it's actually a decent emulation machine once you hack it.

>>2622602
The MVS multicarts like the 161-in-1 are a very good economic option to get a lot of great games, but they do miss a few popular ones(Real Bout Fatal Fury Special, Windjammers, etc.) and some other games have bad dumps or the wrong version.(161-in-1 uses Garou's beta version which is incomplete) Also, they waste a lot of space on bootleg hacks nobody cares about.

As for the system, the most economic option by far is to get a loose MVS 1-slot board and use a Supergun to connect it to your TV and controllers. A less economic option is getting a consolized MVS, which is a modified MVS board that functions like a home console. Actually trying to get the best games on AES is a humongous waste of money at this point.

>>2623057
Cool, thanks for the info.

Honestly, the prices on MVS games don't seem that bad at all. And you could always just make your own cases if you don't like the way they display. Turbografx feels way more expensive to me.
The only reason I haven't started is I don't have the resources right now to collect for another system. That and Neo Geo just seems the most inaccessible information wise with the least helpful fan base.

>>2623465
MVS really isn't THAT expensive. Most of the really popular Neo Geo games aren't that hard to come by with auction sites, and while prices have hiked a bit in the last few years it isn't exorbitant just yet. For instance, you can get most of the Metal Slug games for quite a bit cheaper than you'd expect, especially if you focus on the ridiculous AES market. MVS is still relatively inaccessible due to it being arcade hardware. Unless consolized MVS systems become more widespread and easy to get a hold of, this won't change much yet.

About information, the Neo-Geo fanbase is really paranoid about price hikes if it goes mainstream like the SNES did or the Genesis has been recently doing. In a way, they are not all that different from /vr/. The Neo-Geo.com forums for instance is probably one of the most difficult to get into; new members get banned extremely quickly if they go against the hivemind there. On the other hand, they do have some extremely useful information and quite a few helpful people if you have any issues with your hardware.

>>2623465
Oh, and about cases, there exist VHS-like cases made for holding MVS cartridges, much like the universal game case for other systems. The same store also prints out custom-made covers as well. This is only really an option if you live in North America though, international shipping is brutal.

>>2622969
thus the console wars, thus fan boys

>>2623004
iirc it's just final burn alpha, nothing real impressive about it

>>2624000
wait, it REALLY was just a FBA version ?

mvs looks like shit.

>>2624379
might as well just emulate at that point

>>2624336
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo_Geo_X
Yes.