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It can be beaten with many combinations of classes. I beat it twice- once, with two fighter a white and black mage and then again with a fighter, thief, red mage and black mage.

>>2598376
Thanks for the input. I might try the two fighters with the white and black mage since I've always been more of an offensive style player for rpg's.

>>2598365
I'm using the default class. Pretty pricey early on, but you'll learn to appreciate the diversity of the Red Mage.

Fighter: Main Tank, hits hard, can take hits. Expensive armor and weapons, but not as long as you think.

Thief: Fighter diet lite™. No redeeming qualities except speed and luck. This class is good for running and not much else, and is a moocher in my eyes. After the class change though, it makes up for lost time.

Black Belt: A glass cannon. Capable of hitting hard, cheap to maintain, but the problem lies with defense. Can become the most powerful damage dealer. At level eight, un equip everything. Absorb equals level, and he can hit harder without weapons at this point.

Red Mage: Jack of all trades, master of none. Access to some Fighter weapons and armor, as well as magic. The only mage who can efficiently defend himself without sucking up magic resources. His spells won't do as much as damage, or be as effective compared to other mages, but still effective nonetheless. By class change his flaws start to show, (hence master of none. His stats by mid game are mediocre), but everyone else will be so jacked it won't matter. A decent mage, just choose spells wisely.

>Four White Mages? It'll never work
>Oh God Dammit.

>>2598448
Nice detailed descriptions bro. You should work for ign or something.

>>2598453
I'm sure someone has done it at some point. Probably got to 99 before entering corneria lol.

Toss a 6 sided die.

1 = Fighter
2 = Thief
3 = BBelt
4 = RMage
5 = WMage
6 = BMage

This thread again, huh?

>>2598471
Just giving my two cents. You really can't go wrong. But the rule of thumb is, the crazier a team sounds, the larger the catch. A team of four fighters for example are expensive as all hell, despite being potentially game breaking.

>>2598501
you know it floyd

>>2598505
Naw, you're doing it wrong then.

Your fighters can find ample equipment lying around in chests and people's homes.

Buy one piece of the good stuff for your front man, then hand-me-down the line.

>>2598515
Not the same game, but I'm doing that with FFII. Any spells I find I give to the person I designated as a fighter. Gives him some diversity. I'll try that some time. I can save money and time, and it's not like the fighters can't take a hit. Even without equipment they're surprisingly sturdy.

>>2598478
Yeah, people have. It's pretty impressive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0uSWauDG3g

>>2598501
Hey, how am I supposed to know every thread that has ever been made on this site? I bet most threads on here have been done at some point or another.

>>2598478
With the casting items (zeus gauntlet, white shirt, etc), the game is playable regardless of class.

4 White Mages, with Ruse, is actualy a cinch.

>>2598539
Still must be slower paced though. White Mages aren't actually attackers.

>>2598546
Still doable, though.

The only party that's ever truly been impossible for me was a solo Black Mage / Wizard.

Currently having fun with fighter, thief, RM, WM. Almost to Lich on this playthrough, and abused the shit out of the PNEOP after finally discovering it almost 25 years later.

Done it before but figured what the hell. Once you have two casters for haste nothing will stop you.

Playing it for the first time.
Fighter x2, Black mage, White mage.
Did I fucked up?

>>2598554
Solo Thief is torture. Astos is a fucking prick.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRWmwMlqFCs

>>2598508
The only right answer.

Two tips: party of fighters, and use every item (weapons etc) in battle to see if it casts spells.

>>2598978
Nope Im currently using that party. (Though not in that order)

Fi, Fi, Fi, RM is considered the fastest party, although that assumes you already know what you're doing. If you're new to the game, you most certainly want a White Mage for generous Heal spamming. The Red Mage unfortunately cannot learn Heal spells.

>>2598365
4 White Mages if u aint a bitch

>>2598978
Fighter x2, Black Mage, Red Mage is a favorite of mine.

>>2599253
Wait, he can't learn any? I thought the only spell unavailable to him were level 8 magic.

>>2599283

The Red Mage can learn only a handful of spells from either school of magic. Although he can learn the Cure series of spells, he can't learn any Heal spells. (Heal being the spells that restore HP to all party members at once, instead of just one party member at a time)

>>2599293
That sounds like it would be challenging without heal. It also doesn't help that potions are pretty much useless and there are no pheonix downs.

Once you muscle through Marsh Cave, the game gets easier right? Finished the dungeon and collecting some lute.

>>2599323
Paralyzed!
Paralyzed!
Paralyzed!
Cured!
Can't run!
Paralyzed!
Paralyzed!
Paralyzed!
[repeat for 5-10 minutes]
Slain

>>2599352
well you should git gud or play easier rpgs like skyrim

>>2599302
All bosses die in 1-2 combat rounds.
You only have to heal between battles. There you can just drink one potion after another until everyone is fully healed.

>>2599352
I'm that anon you replied to. Happened so much I just ran from battles. Seriously, it's not worth it to fight some of them. It's not that you're under leveled, it's just that you're not able to get fully ready for that dungeon. Run from some. The enemies aren't bad on their own, but in a dungeon...they're pretty bad, since you have to go in, get stuff, fight a boss, then get out, AND find the nearest asylum.

>>2599378
Just go to peninsula of power and grind away. You should level Up enough to make the enemy's a little less annoying.

>>2599365
How strong is the red mage's attack? Better than the thief or not so much?

>>2599385
Well I'm through it now, and the peninsula of power is pretty ass kicking at that point. Good for grinding at the point you get to Melmond I assume?

>>2599385
Actually, I did it before. I think I just over grinded early in the game. I'm always extremely over leveled in rpg's simply because I like experience grinding.

>>2599395
The above reply was meant for you. My bad.

>>2598384
Thief manages a good damage output.

>>2599810
Thief is objectively the worst class, every other class has an advantage over him. His one "ability" is bugged in the NES game and doesn't even work.

>>2599815
I noticed that. I keep trying to flee with him and always fail hard. It's usually the black mage or warrior who escapes on my team.

>>2599000
Nice trips.

>>2598521
>Any spells I find I give to the person I designated as a fighter. Gives him some diversity.
Oh boy. You're going to regret that in the long run. Attacking physically makes your magic weaker and using attack magic makes your physical attacks weaker. You can't have both in that game.
So every fight is probably taking you about 4 times longer than it should due to your crazy ideas about diversity.

Another thing to consider is class change. If done properly you can do this before the fire orb. The largest determining factor is your play style. If you don't want to strategize go heavy melee. Otherwise pocket wizards will carry you when you don't oneshot everything.

>>2601270
Well I haven't used it all that much yet, so there's nothing to lose if I didn't use it. My fighter should just stick with physical attacks then? Also, my black mage, the one with the arrow, I've been using only fire, which is good because while my other spells aren't leveling up, her intelligence is, so if I attack something weak against a specific element it'll still do a lot of damage.

>>2599815
Yeah, but he's an investment. The Ninja is awesome.

I prefer the fighter or red mage over the theif. The theif can be kind of useless early in the game.

>>2599274
Why? Curious.

>>2598365
everyone here has beaten "this fossil"

>>2601780
Or at the very least played it and knows how it works. Now it you wanna see a real fossil, or rather a barebones JRPG, Dragon Warrior/Quest for the NES is for you. It was the first.

>>2601780
Good then you won't mind sharing your opinion, it would beat the shitposting.

4 Red Mages. Best party. Trust me.

This is the op. I already picked my team and I'm currently playing through the story. Thanks for everyone's input, but there is no need to keep bumping this. Please just let the thread die.

>>2599323
>>2599378

>>2602986
Least Sorcerers don't get a pre-emptive strike 90% of the time like the Mages. When the Mages do, you're fucked, since they always start with Rub.

>>2598526

Lurk more fagit.

>>2603207
Way to respond to a two day old post retard.

>>2601793
fair enough. its been a good while tho, but what i remember is that its great to have plenty of fighters, get those super rings that make you immune to death or something and remember that weapons can be used from the items menu in combat for special effects

>>2603442
>weapons can be used from the items menu in combat for special effects
Thx for the heads up. I'm on my second crystal and I didn't even know that.

>>2602951
Eh, people will still talk FF mang. Threads don't just die when something is solved, they derail into something related, may it be barely so or otherwise.

>>2603468
Yeah I am starting to realize that. Lol

>>2598948
blog update: did the ice cave/ordeals before the volcano on this playthru for the first time ever, as such route was mentioned in another prev thread iirc. ran into this>>2602986 and the whole party got OHKOed from bane (poison[origins ver]), what fun!

>>2603823
Bane?

>>2603823

best parties, 1st for strong balance, 2nd for game breaking:

fighter
redmage
blackbelt
white mage


fighter
fighter
blackbelt
redmage

>>2604825
Why Red Mage in the second group instead of White?

>>2604949

my thinking is that redmage provides balanced magic coverage. I guess you could swap him out for white.

Has anyone here played the FF Restored hack? Is it any good compared to the original NES version? I know it fixes bugs and stuff, but does that make the game better or worse?

>>2604963
I played origins a few years back, but I would recommend the psp version since they added more optional bosses.

>>2604980
I don't really wanna play any version of the game after origins since they go from spell charges to MP, which alters the originals' DnD gameplay too much for me.

>>2604992
If I didn't play the game for myself I would say it's not that much of a difference. But it is a large difference. Makes spells more valuable...for better or for worse.

I always liked the fighter, black belt, white mage, black mage setup.

Get interesting when you can unequip the black belt and he starts unleashing tons of damage.

>>2605140
I'm sticking with the default party. What can I say? It works.

>>2605140
Yea, he really saves you money in the long run. Plus he does damage on par with the warrior if not better. The only downside to hI'm is that defensive stat.

>>2605153
Beats having the thief though.

>>2605237
Just like every other job.

>>2604963
I played FF Restored. Thought it was pretty great, except for the graphical changes they made. Mostly, the menu's bugged me.

But as a collection of bug-fixes it's on the right track.

this game is hard as fuck

>>2605597
Not really, although it's not easy mode like later FFs. Just make sure you always have enough tents and potions.

>>2605678
Potions barely do shit. All they do is waste my gil.

>>2605741
dat Pure tho

>>2605741
Having 99 of them is good for later game dungeon crawling.

>>2606232
Having to buy them individually is a total drag, though.

>>2606232
Yeah, but once you have the airship and teleport they aren't really needed.

>>2606562
They are pretty much mandatory if you're playing with 4 warriors.

Now that I have Life I was looking forward to not having to backtrack to a town every fucking time someone gets killed. First guy to get killed is my white mage.

>>2606579
I guess so. That's probably the one reason I wouldn't run a 4 warrior squad.

>>2606579
By the end game, everything only does 1 damage to warriors. The only REAL worry is if they get smacked with one of those insta-kill attacks the illithids all seem to have - and even then that's only for versions of the game where the anti-insta-kill equipment doesn't work properly.

>>2606818
>By the end game, everything only does 1 damage to warriors.
You obviously haven't tried going through the final dungeon at level 20.

>>2606821
>you obviously haven't tried the final dungeon woefully underlevelled

Keen observation. Did you know it's even HARDER to do it at level 1?

>>2606825
>woefully underlevelled
Beating the game at level 20-30 isn't "woefully underlevelled". I breezed my way through all the dungeons fighting every monster on the way and ended up somewhere in the lower 20's. You would have to do some serious unnecessary grinding to end up at a level higher than that.

>>2606825
You grinded for hours to get to level 50 just so you wouldn't have to use potions?

>>2606825
This is exactly why I hate fucktards who say RPG's are all about grinding. They're too dumb to figure out how to beat the game without levelling for hours and they call anyone that plays the game at a normal level "underlevelled". It's not rocket science to figure out that buying potions is more efficient than brute-forcing your defense to the max.

>>2606818
>everything only does 1 damage to warriors.
Not true even disregarding magic attacks.
Kraken in the Chaos Temple can easily one shot a warrior with physical attacks, especially due to its high Crit. rate, not to mention all the Dragons, Golems and other stuff, adding all the monsters using breaths or magic into the fray Warriors still have a hard time unless you grind to 50, and even then there's instakill attacks and magic.

>>2606874
But your ability to strategize in this game is crippled by the fact that you have to choose all your commands in advance.

>>2606961
That's what strategy is. Being able to choose commands in real time is closer to tactics.

>>2606948
>instakill attacks and magic.
poison is broken as hell in this game

Best team setup black belt ninja Red wizard White wizard

Four black belts, no class change, no equipment, punch punch punch.

>>2607469
And no healing no defense no moves

>>2607471
Who gives a shit? They do obscene damage without equipment once you hit about level 8, and it only gets crazier from there. Use a turbo controller to load up on 99 potions and away you go.

>>2607473
Standard potions don't do s*** and again no defense if you don't kill the boss he's dog and everybody you have in one hit

Take it easy guy's don't start flaming.

>>2607481
Potions are for healing between battles. You'll lose somebody now and then, but it doesn't matter much, because everybody hits so god damned hard.

Who is flaming just pointing out a ridiculous flaw

>>2607491
Oh yeah and after one person dies you have to go back to town just to revive them

>>2607495
Or just keep going and punching your way through everything. When you've got four atomic bombs, losing one of them isn't going to cripple you. You'll end up back at a town eventually anyway.

>>2607504
That keeps your characters levels uneven tho.

>>2607507
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

All in all, the most broken team is two warriors, a black belt and a red mage.

>>2607521
Autism's a bitch huh?

>>2607521
Jesus. I'd love to see you play any AD&D game.

Or even Dragon Quest from 2 onwards.

>>2598365
My favorite combo was always 2 knights and the white and black mages.

>>2606961
>But your ability to strategize in this game is crippled by the fact that you have to choose all your commands in advance.

You know, before communications technology, real life war was exactly the same. Armies would be raised, mobilized, and positioned based on plans made months or even years prior.

The quoted statement gives me an uneasy feeling somehow.

>>2607713
Even then those plans would be based on some kind of intelligence. FF1 is like
>I'm going to have my army move here and hope the enemy happens to be heading here too.

>>2607792
I guess I see your point. FF01 ain't the Citizen Kane of strategy simulators.

My first playthrough was on Origins GBA with Fighter, Thief, R Mage, B Mage.

I'm aware it's possible to beat Chaos with an all White Mage party, but what about the bonus bosses?

>>2603465
i dont think u have any weapons that do anything special yet at that point but as i said its been a while, its worth trying them out, esp since its nice for ur mages if u have any to be able to do something without wasting spell charges

>>2607816
The original game only had warmech and he isn't even that hard.

>>2607816
>Origins GBA
Oh my, you've been spoiled.

>>2607792
Your information is your precious experience. You learn how enemies act and plan your reaction accordingly.

>>2598365
>need some ideas for a party

Look no further then pic related.

Are you looking for a walking fucking Viagra pill?

Are you looking for the greatest combination of slayers and ass fuckers?

Bam! Nigga , then this party of Mac daddies and pussy slayers is your go too party.

>classy as fuck red Mage, check.
>bad ass with cool fucking hair tank, check.
>sweet Bruce lee look a like, check
>mother fucking thief to ninja class change , he'll fucking yeah check.

Create this party or go through life knowing what you could have done, you pussy.

>>2607826
Spoiled how?
I was a little bit disappointed when Death Gaze was weaker than Omega and Shinryu in the shrine before it.

>>2607851
Not him but a lot.

That version lowered difficulty and switched Mage spells from numbers of uses to mp, which in effect gave you a lot of spell use that we didn't have in the original. Basically without going in to a lot of details it cut the difficulty in almost half.

>>2607845
Thief is dead weight and Ninja sucks for damage and magic. Might as well use another Red mage.

>>2607863
Well, I still enjoy the hell out of it and this just means I still have a challenge ahead of me.
I've never encountered War Machine before, so now I'm climbing back up to the Flying Fortress with my LV 99 party to get me some Genji Armor. Most of the enemies are running away.

How did FFII fare with Origins?

>>2607851
The Origins game made the game a lot easier...it put in auto targeting, buffed the classes, and upped the experience and gold...and added a traditional MP system(which breaks the game, since it wasn't made with that in mind). The game was pretty much modernized. Sounds good right? Well, the game was made as a mediocre button mash fest as a result(for most), a huge step easier than the original game to the point of being different.

The game wasn't really made with these additions in mind, and while it did it modernize it, and made it more accessible, things that made the game great were lost. I'm probably exaggerating this more than I should, but personally this version is not my ideal one.

>>2607872
first of all, you are retarded. Ninjas are always fucking awesome, it's like a universal rule. See real ultimate power. Com for proof and source.

Second: that's why you play with gronds bug and balance fix. Thief gets two weapon and all spells are fixed. Problem solved picky faggot. If I could hate you to death for being gay, I would.

>>2607878
Origins on PS1 definitely does not give a "traditional" MP system. Its the same X number of casts before resting as the original. THere is still no MP.
>>2607845
>"Optimum party"
>Thief in it, ever.

>>2607875
Not sure, but considering how much more grindy the game is, couldn't have been a bad improvement.

>>2607881
He said game boy version idiot. Which does. Learn 2 read mate. Let me guess, your American ...

>>2607881
Let me refer you to this >>2607879

P.s. You are gayer then a tranny with a boyfriend .

>>2607886
His American what?

>>2607916
He is American because he's so stupid. Do you have reading problems also? Let me guess , your are from the American south also...

>>2607886
Britfags hating on Americunts.
10/10 thread

>>2607896
>playing hacks
>ever

>>2607928
Exactly, as much as I love American entertainment , I love hating Americans just as much .

>>2607932
>hacks
They are called patches you faggot of epic proportions.

>>2607936
You lost the war you red coat.

>>2607920
>not getting your error

>>2607939
Nigga, we gave you the war. Inb4 General corn Wallace gave up . Deal with it you American cucks...

>>2607886
GBA version is called Dawn of Souls... Origins is on the PS1. So this guy >>2607816 fucked up and meant Dawn of Souls, not Origins, or vice versa. Either way >>2607878 is wrong saying Origins changed to MP and is >>2607881 is right. So make sure you know what you're talking about before typing, okay?

>>2607942
your takin tha b8 m8

Great posts, fellas.

>I've never encountered War Machine before, so now I'm climbing back up to the Flying Fortress with my LV 99 party to get me some Genji Armor. Most of the enemies are running away.

Every third word in this is simply wrong.

>>2607947
Shhhh. Don't tell them that. That is half the fun you need!

>>2607946
Origins is just the International title for the bundle of the PS1 remakes of 1 and 2 which were sold as separate games in Japan.

>>2607943
Cornwallis gave up and put out

>>2607956
???
Doesn't change the fact that >>2607878 should have said Dawn of Souls and not Origins. Which is what prompted >>2607881 to misunderstand and correct them.

PS1 (Origins) retained spell charges.
GBA (Dawn of Souls) changed to MP.

You can't just interchange the "bundle names" when talking about them as their changes are radically different.

>>2607961
Just like your mother. ;)

>>2607964
I should've said Dawn of Souls, but I didn't know the title of the GBA game other than that he was referring to that version.

>>2607990
Britfags don't have mom's.
Just two fathers.

>>2607964
You could call it Final Fantasy 1 2 Advance. Or Just Final Fantasy 1 Advance when just talking about the first part.

>>2608008
So then how were the Americas born if they came from two Brit fathers ?

Well, once upon a time there were some colonists that wanted escape the tyranny of this fag country (britain). So they set out to find a new way of life (straight) but this wretched country pursued the colonists to try to lock them up In the rape dungeon, but to their suprised the colonists kicked the ever loving shit out of them and laughed as they flee'd back to fag land many lulz were had.

And just like in the war the redcoats flee.

>>2607845
>Are you looking for a walking fucking Viagra pill?
I dunno about that analogy. I think a party with both a Red Mage and Thief will have some trouble staying up.

Frankly only BALS TO THE WALL fits the description. They stay stiff (parylised) and upright and can take a beating.

to clear up the MP vs charges argument about origins...

the game gives you the option to choose one or the other

also lets you choose to enable hold circle for dash, auto-retargeting so you don't swing at dead monsters, and a couple other things

one thing I don't like is that they did not fix the bug regarding special properties of weapons not working (wyrmkiller, flame sword, etc.), did they fix that in the dawn of souls version?

>>2608392
Probably, they also didn't even fix the intelligence bug, so Black Mages are still useless.

>>2608395
The ps1 version did.

>>2608392
>one thing I don't like is that they did not fix the bug regarding special properties of weapons not working

Dude, that's been fixed since the Wonderswan version. It was certainly fixed for the Origins release.

>>2609153
How did they fix it then? Im not noticing any extra dmg or hits vs the "weak against" enemy type, nor any less dmg or hits vs the "strong against/resists" enemy types

>>2608395
>didn't even fix the intelligence bug

I don't think you can actually call that one a bug. It's not like they fucked up addressing a memory location or were off by one in a loop. They had no intention of tying INT to spell effectiveness at all initially.

They later went back and redesigned it for future versions to behave in a more sensible manner, but it wasn't really a software bug.

>>2609347

They're doing bonus damage in the corrected versions. It's just not a massive amount. iirc it's the equivalent of having 4 more points in your damage/atk stat if you hit something weak to it, so it starts out pretty meh on the early game weapons and ends up completely unnoticeable on your fighter's excalibur.

>>2608987
No it didn't, the ps1 didn't fix the intelligence bug.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/561981-final-fantasy-origins/60842922
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/561981-final-fantasy-origins/62392030
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Intelligence_Bug

>>2609987
Source for them having no intention? All I know is that Kawazu based the fight mechanics on Dungeons and Dragons, but I would think he would have been vigilant enough to notice that two classes are almost worthless for anything outside of having a monopoly on certain, higher level spells.

>>2610251
What is the intelligence bug exactly?

>>2610734
why don't you try reading the links in that post?

>>2610743
He's affected by the bug.

>>2610734
Basically it's a worthless stat, it should have an effect on how well a spell is cast (increasing the effect of it), but that doesn't exist. It really fucks the game up and seriously devalues the White Mage and especially the Black Mage since outside of their spells they aren't quite so useful.

>>2610763
What bug?

>>2598478

I got to the final battle this way. It was MUCH easier than I expected, thanks to the spell items. Those things are overpowered.

I would have finished the game but my cartridge was dirty and the game crashed right at the end, erasing my save file. Oh well.

>>2610874
>oh well
I would have been pissed, especially if you were running all white mages

>>2610886

I wasn't greatly interested in the playthrough anymore at that point. I was just finishing it to finish it. It was too slow and easy. Nothing can beat you once you have a nice set of spell items and healing spells, but it still takes a while to get through battles, since you don't have any powerful single-target attacks until the very end.

>>2610920
I hear you. I'm kind of a perfectionist when it comes to rpg's so I would have probabaly broke my system.