/vr/ - Retro Games

Is there anything that I can do/use with the SDI connections on my PVM-14M4A?
Are there converter boxes or anything like that?

How would I go about setting up a bvm to capture footage.

I did try the elgato to hdmi converter to lcd, but the lag is fucking disgusting , so if I could bypass the lcd and play on the bvm while recording from the elgato that would be perfect. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

>>2598954
Buy a splitter? I'm not sure what the issue is if you already own an elgato. Afaik they come with a breakout cable for RGB

>>2598936
are sdi connections the same thing as s-video connections?

>>2599019
These are for digital BT.656 streams in serial form, meant to be connected via BNC and terminated with 75ohms.
The quality could almost as good as RGB.

I thought you guys might like to know about this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maT2M68z3vk

What SCART selector is good? I've been reading up on them, but it seems like the ones worth owning are all discontinued.

>>2598692
nigga are you playing the psx port of alpha 3? rofl

>>2599659
Also released on Dreamcast, Saturn, and PS2, genius.

>>2599659
Not only that, he had to continue TWICE.
>scrib a dub dub, OP is a pleb, etc.

Seriously though, OP, it's ok.

>Been thinkin about getting a good cheap CRT
>Have about $20 in my pocket
>See ad on craigslist today about a 5$ TV sale at some used/pawn shop

I think this is a sign.

>>2598936
SDI is a professional digital video standard. You can get converters from HDMI to SDI, but I don't know about the lag characteristics.

Is a CRT required for retro game consoles? I only have a modern widescreen TV so I imagine PS1 and SNES games will look like shit.

>>2599698
you can tell it's the psx version due to the shitty gfx and resolution, "genius". lurk more.

>>2599635
All the new ones are bad.
>>2600015
>Is a CRT required for retro game consoles?
Depends on your wants and needs.

>>2600015
Required ? no
Nice ? yes, even more with a decent video connection (S-Video and beyond).
As an added bonus, all you need is your arms, as there are tons of decent crts just lying around

Is there such a thing as a CRT TV that also has video output? I know a bunch have audio out through a headphone port, but what about video?

>>2600215
You mean pass through? Not sure why you'd ever want it.

>>2600220
Streaming without having to drop even more money on an amplifier.

>>2600224
What exactly are you trying to do? You're making no sense.

>>2600224
What kind of video connector are you using?

>>2600235
Composite, or S-Video at best.

>>2600238
http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_id=104&cp_id=10422&cs_id=1042204&p_id=1124&seq=1&format=2

>>2600245
The problem with this is that it doesn't amplify the signal, so the result is really dark, is it not?

>>2600250
Should be ok unless you're coming from an N64. You can buy S-Video distribution amplifiers if you need amplification.

>>2600257
>>2600250
>>2600245
That's 2 female connectors to 1 male connector.

Bad idea to have multiple devices hooked to the same port.

>>2600250
build you own amps
THS7314 can drive two outputs, and has 3 inputs, enough for composite + Y/C or even component.
if you need 4 for like RGBS theres the THS7374 which is similar.

>>2600265
I'd be willing to try doing this if it'd save me money, what could I expect to pay for the parts?

>>2599357
Thanks

Anyone ever have to deal with these snowflakes? I only get them on NES games. Anyone know a fix?

>>2600215
The professional Sony monitors have out puts

other thread died before I got an answer. Can a crt flyback transformer be rebuilt or replaced with a higher quality one? Would it even be worth it to do that on an average set or just a pvm?

>>2600298
Also took this shot. Any help would be appreciated

>>2600367
Yes and no. You'd have to look at the power supply schematic Probably not..

>>2600380
thanks for the help

>>2600378
try cleaning the cartridge and system contacts with alcohol. It looks like a small glitch and not something wrong with your tv.

>>2600408
I don't mean to be an ass. What's wrong with your current transformer?

>>2600265
I have no idea where I'd install this amp.

>>2599635
i use 2 Keen Scart Commanders on my setup, but it's been so long i forgot where i ordered them from, all i remember is ordering them from the UK and i'm in the US. they weren't cheap either but they work alot better than most switches and they're automatic.

So how autistic should I be when buying a CRT?

Do I go all out and spend good money on quality, spending ages checking out different makes and models?

Or do I just go grab an old 90s CRT off someone who wants to chuck theirs out?

>>2600589
computer monitor or tv ?

>>2600594
TV

>>2600595
sony trinitron. Try to get a cylindrical black one, but seems that silver gray flat screens are found more easily. Try to get at least S-video on it.

>>2600589
If you just want a CRT just get w/e model SD Trinitron.

>>2600609
Plenty of those available nearby. Should point out I'm a Britbong so video output's going to be abit weird I think

>>2600619
you should have models with scart right ? With 1 scart you have RGB, with 2 or more there's usually svideo support on the others (in addition to an possible front panel socket).

and if possible get it with the original remote as you need it for entering service menu, can't do it with a clone

>>2600628
Yeah, used SCART plenty of times before. I'll probably go pick up Trinitron some time this week then. Thanks for the help.

>>2600639
trinitrons are damn nice, in my youth I only had shadow mask tvs, recently I went with a flat tube philips before finally getting a trini, could finally understand the hype back then. Colors and brightness are great. And if you can try using RGB on it, it's amazing

>>2593698
Google "hitbox," because that thing is both a stick and a hitbox.

>>2599659
>>2599698
>>2600040
It's from the Dreamcast, hexedited to enable RGB SCART output in 240p.

>>2599723
Nah, I think you had it right the first time, scrub a dub dub. I am quite shit at fighters; Something I'd like to work on to be honest.

>>2599979
They're both digital standards, so as long as the monitor supports the resolution, there shouldn't be too much in way of processing lag.

>>2600215
Professional sets tend to. A nice number of the bigger FD/WEGA Sonys have a composite video+stereo audio out, but you need to be feeding it composite and viewing said video input for it to do so.

Do the sharpness / color / contrast et.al controls actually help or hurt a low-quality CRT picture? I live in the middle of nowhere and all I could scare up so far is a generic Korean 20" TV with composite input. It has these digital picture controls that I can adjust so I wonder if I can compensate with those?

>>2600265
You really shouldn't need to amp the sync line anyway.

>>2600795
I'd imagine that it'd depend on if there's anything wrong with the image. If it is too dark, up the brightness. If the colors are dull, turn up the contrast. You could make the image worse depending on what you adjust, but if you feel like you're going too far one way, adjust it back the other way. If you have some means of outputting color bars from whatever console you have hooked up it can make adjusting picture settings easier.

>>2600795
I've never seen a sharpness setting that actually did anything at all. What is that setting meant to do? Is it like the aperture setting on a PVM? That setting works pretty well...

>>2600413
That's weird. It does this too all my games even the Famicom ones. It didn't do this on my other crt. Thanks for your reply tho.

>>2600634
I've done it on my apex with a universal remote. Tho apex weren't known for quality.

>>2600858

It's artificial edge enhancement the set does. It just makes edges 'harsher'; doesn't really seem to affect the picture quality much

>>2600215
On SCART it's pretty much standard to have AV outputs for example to be able record on a VCR with the TVs currently tuned channel without needing to connect the VCR to RF, just via the SCART cable alone but only composite is supported by this.

>>2598692
>alpha 3 edition
does zero 3 count too?

Considering proposing a side business to a local bar that's going to open up here in NYC: bar is an arcade bar. I want to propose a Beat the Geek where I bring in old NES and SNES games and charge people to play vs me. Obviously can't lug around a 200 lb (exaggeration) 36 inch TV. Are projectors suitable for quality or did they make lighter, flat screen ish CRT?

>>2601596
you could just drop an old tv at the bar and leave it there right?

Going to be a fancier brand new bar. They try to trendy and sleek. If possible I'll try that though.

>>2601584
Only if you're a filthy weeb.
Yes

Is it even worth it to buy an 8 incher

>>2602134
8 inch vga?
YES

>>2602134
Some people like the tiny CRTs. I don't get it.

>>2602173
they're lightweight, don't take much space, and make 320x200 look pretty good.

>>2602206
>they're lightweight, don't take much space
There's another technology out there if those are your main concerns.

Which is better?

>>2602210
weight and size are just a nice bonus in small tubes. we all know the alternative technology is inferior, especially on 320x200.

>>2602245
RGB scart on SD tv.

>>2602283
>weight and size are just a nice bonus in small tubes. we all know the alternative technology is inferior, especially on 320x200.
Do we need this lcd vs crt war debate in every CRT thread?

Fuck "flat screen" CRTs, needlessly heavy pieces of shit.

>>2602245

BVM

>>2602245
Standard. Those phosphor patterns actually look exactly like mine.

Spotted a Panasonic CT27d10b out by the trash down my street. Got rained on and power cord is cut. Worth the attempt to try and save?

I only ask because it's dated 2000 and has component input. Seems a bit early so maybe it's a higher end Panasonic?

>You will never own a Sony D24E1WE/U

>>2602539
tfw

>>2602134
If you're looking for something to use at a desk for single player games and the like, it'd be fine.

>>2602538
Also it's set to rain again tonight. Guess it's destined to go to the dump.

>>2600015
Not required but trust me, you'll want one.

>>2602245
apples and pears.

>>2602134
I have two, they're great. People who rag on them obviously haven't used them. The clairty is nice, and they work well for 480i as well, for example on the PS3. The only ones worth getting IMO are the 450TVL models though, like the PVM-8045Q/9045QM or the Ikegami TM-10 17R.

They're portable, which is actually nice if you have friends, and i use them to test console/cable builds with so i don't hurt my 20" sets. PVMs are so fricking durable it's pretty much impossible to do that last anyway, but you never know.

>>2602245
>>2602472
BVM

>>2602538
They dry out in a few days in a warm room. You'd still want to be pretty careful turning it on the first time, to make sure. And those Panasonics are nothing special. Trinitron preferred.

>>2602809
>Nothing special
>compared to what everyone considers the top option

Any CRT is better than no CRT.

>>2602809
one day I have to get a 8" with 12v plug, and go on a retro trip in my car in the middle of nowhere.

>>2602809
>And those Panasonics are nothing special. Trinitron preferred.
Well I figured you guys were the place to ask. I guess I'll just leave it. Been looking for a decent CRT just to play around with. I know the Trinitron and Mitsubishi stuff but not the other companies.

I looked up the manual and what does solid state chassis mean? Just marketing mumbo jumbo?

>>2602245
SDTV is how the games were played and actually tested at the time.

Whats a good source for sony service manuals? I'm looking for a KV-9PT60 specifically, but a collection of them would be nice too.

>>2602829
Was that how they were tested? The Super Famicom had RGB out of the box. Nintendo even sold a cable. I really am curious to know. Anyone have photos of developer work areas from the Super Famicom days?

>>2603060
Depends on the developer studio. Many had production monitors, PC monitors, etc. Regardless they all has some kind of consumer TV though.
In the Crash videos you can see some of the stuff they used https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSYlbS5vGNA

The pictures are a bit tough to find if you just search direct terms. Rare posted some picture of their old office that I'm trying to find.

>>2602539
I will someday buy one of the overpriced ebay d32e1wus. My 14L5 has spoiled me for other crts. Just need a couple thousand dollars to burn.

>>2603231
The D32s seem to have a widespread issue with purity, especially in the corners.

That and I've had more than enough "fun" moving the Megaview(217lb) around, and I'd rather not experience that again(D32 is 210). The D24 is still quite hefty, but both its size and weight(110) are much more manageable in comparison.

>>2602539
For the ignorant. What's so special about this one?

>>2603093
I also saw this:

http://www.chrismcovell.com/secret/weekly/How_Games_Are_Made_DQVI.html

Looks like the PS unit has composite, but I can't tell much about the rest.

>>2603284
MultiFormat Support - Will display anything from 240p/480i all the way up to 1080i properly without processing lag.
Very high TVL count- 1000 for 16:9 and 4:3 versus 800/600 for stuff like the 20L5. This is its horizontal resolution, or how much information it can resolve horizontally without losing any clarity. A set with 600 or so is more than enough for almost anything retro, but if you have any plans 7th gen, 8th gen, or perhaps just watching higher res video, a higher count can definitely come in handy.
It's also a native widescreen set, so displaying widescreen content doesn't result in any letterboxing; This does result in pillar boxing for 4:3 content, but the size of the monitor still results in a picture the same approximate size as a 20'' model.

The D32E1WE/U shares the same specs except in a large size, but is plagued by picture quality issues.


Some people dislike the higher TVL count as being too sharp and giving a picture more in common with a filtered LCD than a standard CRT, but this is up to personal taste. Lower line count, MultiFormat sets like the L5 series are a bit of a middle ground, as they have a lower line count but preserve support for higher resolutions.

>>2603364
Ah neat. I'm gonna have some spending money soon and been debating if I should spend it all on games or maybe some new hardware to mess with. This seems a bit more than I'm willing to spend though. And displaying anything over 240p doesn't matter much to me.

So much information to read on these old CRT monitors.

I just found this trinitron on my areas classifieds for $30, anyone know what model it is so I can get more info?

Looks fucking great.

>>2603590
nice tablet, whiteshirt

>>2603590

Figured out its a KV32XBR400 32" fucking sexy

>>2600776
>It's from the Dreamcast, hexedited to enable RGB SCART output in 240p.

any chance you can do this with Capcom vs. SNK/other games?

>>2603667
Alpha 3 is one of the games that are already capable of outputting in 240p on their own. It was actually the RGB output that needed to be enabled. Capcom disabled it on at least a few of their games, including Third Strike; I can only assume it was to not compete with themselves on the arcade front.

I was actually looking around for a 240p edit myself, and there doesn't seem to be much of anything for it.

Other games that supposedly output 240p are
Bangai-O
Black Matrix A/D
Gunbird 2
Jo Jo's Bizarre Adventure
King of Fighters Dream Match 1999
Last Blade 2: Final Edition
Marvel vs Capcom: Clash of Super Heroes
Princess Maker Collection
Street Fighter 3: Third Strike
Street Fighter 3: Double Impact
Street Fighter Alpha 3
Twinkle Star Sprites

I can personally confirm the Street Fighters, Twinkle Star Sprites, MvC, KoF, JoJo, and Bangia-O. Holding Start+L on boot is usually how it's enabled.

You might have some better luck looking for PS2 ports with hex edits available, but even those are a bit slim.

I want to plug my Atari 2600 into my PVM but I'm not sure how to go about it. Would an RF to RCA adapter work or should I run the Atari through something like a VCR?

Welp, just had a second CRT suffer from vertical collapse. This time, an RF only GE(Thomson) that we've had since the mid 90's. Not the first, but one of the first TVs I ever played games on.

It's had a fuzzy picture and smearing in the reds for years now, but it's hung in there pretty decently otherwise. Sorta sad to see it finally go.

>>2603785
The PVM wouldn't have anyway to decode the RF signal, so a VCR or similar RF->Composite box would be needed.

As promised if I ever had to part with my CRTs I would let you guys know. Search for Trinitron on gumtree.com.au most recent.

Sony Profeel Trinitron KX-27PS1 + Sony VTX-100E analog tuner, Sony Trinitron KV-XA34M31 and Sony HR Trinitron PVM-D20L5A.

Pickup from Sydney Australia.

love those scanlines

>>2603865
$400 aus for that pvm? greedy fucking Australian cunts

>>2603915
Oi cunt it says negotiable! The exact same model went for $425 on eBay.com.au the other week.

>>2603865
>Trinitron
I would jump on this if i didn't live in qld

>>2603785
viletim just made a 2600 rgb board, get it modded for rgb.

>>2603785
>Would an RF to RCA adapter work
No.
>should I run the Atari through something like a VCR?
Could work but a very recent VCR might digitally process the signal and interlace it.

>>2603956
I must say that RGB for 2600 is quite overkill while S-Video could look neat while keeping the chrominance resolution near or sightly above original composite/RF signal.
I bet the next product will be the either the C64RGB or more likely something that plugs into the digital AV output of the Gamecube.

>>2603956
based tim

What do I need in order to play old console games (NTSC) on a CRT computer monitor? A scan doubler/scaler? How much would I need to spend?

Wii has component out, so I imagine that one would be easy. I have pic related but, not surprisingly, it doesn't work.

>>2604119
get a genuine gbs 8220 from jamma boards (I bought a fake one and it was shit) and get a scan line generator like the ones on ebay from norway (based on the retro vga2 design which is the best imo) you also need to mod the gbs to accept rgb via scart (plenty of guides out there)

once you're done all that there is also a guy on shmups forum that wrote some better firmware for the gbs scalers, you need a raspberry pi to use it.

>>2604010
>or more likely something that plugs into the digital AV output of the Gamecube.
Someone has already done that. It's primarily just a matter of actually finding a way to connect to the damn thing; Proprietary connectors are always fun.

i posted this image and said the same thing in and older thread but 50hz is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo bad

>>2604165
neat, thanks. will any of this stuff introduce more than a frame of delay?

>>2604236
GBS you're looking at 1-2 frames iirc.

http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?t=52172

That's the firmware upgrade thread

>>2604119
XRGB3 is the best thing for that. Only gets 2ms of latency in line doubling mode

>>2604119
XRGB 3

For Wii you need a Component to vga transcoder. They're pretty cheap.

Picked up a JVC BM-H1900SU today for $20. Very pleased with picture quality in RGB. Excuse the crap camera phone quality.

>>2604386
Where? Where do you find these? I cannot find a decent CRT for the life of me.

>>2604490
Just checked my local area craigslist and surrounding areas craigslist. It's really down to luck when a good one pops up. Was lucky enough that I only had to drive an hour to pick it up.

>>2604503
>craigslist

Oh...

my city despite having a decent population doesn't have its own craigslist instead it has kijiji and some other piece of shit website and like 10 different facebook pages where admins ban people

This is my shitty CRT. Sanyo 20" DS20930 TV, how fugged am I?

>Still have this 20L2MD hanging around
>No /vr/bro to pawn it off on
Fuck living in this shithole

>>2604650
What shithole?

>>2604676
SE US

>>2604386
>JVC BM-H1900SU


I picked up a BM-H1900SU a couple of months ago too, have a bunch of pvm's and this one woops all of them in terms of geometry , how is yours?

Only thing I wish it didin't have was the bowed side bezels (pvm's are only bowed on the top and bottom)

Looking through my Craigslist I saw an ad for a really nice trinitron but it has some issue with red green and blue bands at the top.

Tried google and found all sorts of answers. Some say the vertical deflection is fucked or it's just a capacitor issue. Apparently there's a ghetto fix of adjusting it out of the screen too.

Any help? Just pass on and continue the search?

>>2604686
Please be in Louisiana or East Texas

>>2603865
The consumer trini i'm not so wild about, but the others. man that's awesome. No way am i going to be able to get them to Tasmania though. The BVM i tried got rekt.

Hope some friendly anon helps out, and that you drop the price a fair bit too... I realise it's a D20L5A, but there have been three or four of those for sale recently, and the two on gumtree sat there for almost a month at $300 apiece.

what are the best RGB cables for a PSX? My CRT is a PVM 20L5 that accepts RGB.

>>2604970
Make your own.

Unless the girl on ebay started actually carrying them.

>>2604714
This is the best I could get it to look by configuring it through the 240 test suite. Not sure if there's advanced geometry settings elsewhere.

>>2603915

And if he was from anywhere else you'd be saying "greedy fucking [insert demonym] cunts".

>>2604880
Further north and east.

>>2605107
You in NC?

>>2605125
Close, bit west.

>HEADON
>APPLY DIRECTLY TO THE FOREHEAD


also, fuck my shitty camera

is this allowed on /vr/?

>>2605026
You need to expand the image until you can't see the light blue anon. That's called overscan

>>2605259
I would but it stops at -10 and +10 for all size and centering options in the menu. Couldn't find any kind of service menu options in the pdf file for that monitor.

This thread just makes me envious as fug

>>2605267
Oh well, doesn't seem like you have any geometry problems at least

>>2600434
From time to time the high pitch sequel that most crts make becomes significantly louder on this set. I have a relative with hearing problems that cant even hear the sound that most sets make but he can hear this. So it's either trash it, save up for a pvm, or attempt to fix it.

Currently I use a GTX670 and use the DVI-I port and an adapter to connect my CRT monitor for "retro" emulation.

I'm planning on upgrading my GPU to a Radeon R9 390.
I know the R9 390 does not have an analog video port, only digital video in the form of HDMI, DisplayPort, and DVI-D ports.

Would there be a way to output to a VGA monitor using this GPU?
The motherboard I'd be upgrading to has a VGA port, but I understand it would not go through the GPU at all, making some emulation a bit lackluster.

I know this is heresy but does anyone have any experience with 120Hz LCDs with lightboost and black frame insertion? I'm having so much trouble with geometry issues that I'm seriously considering getting one and hopping off the CRT ride for good.

>>2604970
>>2605013
I don't think RCA has been selling them, but retrogamingcables started offering Playstation SCART cables a couple months back. No idea on the quality of them though.

>>2605653
>does anyone have any experience with 120Hz LCDs with lightboost and black frame insertion?
What do you need to know?
>I know this is heresy
I use a Sony with a strobe and a XRGB 3. Will never use a CRT as my main display again. Imo it's superior in all ways minus no light guns ever. I still enjoy the CRT threads though. They have their place and nothing is ever going to replace CRTs. I and everyone else who played these games when they were new used a CRT. It's not something I'll forget.

Not to be an ass or anything but BFI and the strobe technologies like LightBoost are two different things. BFI adds a black frame. The strobes are blank frames. At least from what I understand about LightBoost. It could just be BFI. Strobes work much better. Strobes will give as little blur as a CRT does, none.

One thing of note with monitors is LightBoost is controlled by Nvidia graphic cards. I don't believe you can use the strobe with a scaler or emulation. BenQ is the other company that has an option. Theirs works differently so I think it'll work with a scaler. Don't hold me to that. I believe they're the only two monitor companies with some kind of Strobe. And Asus also but they use LightBoost.

Threads and forums of interest if you'd like to research the technologies.
http://www.blurbusters.com/
Good sight and goes into a lot of detail along with having tests for blur.

http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=48662

Best TV for gaming you can get. Unfortunately the new models of this TV appear to be shit. The C models. America never got that specific version either.

>>2605687
Is there not a smaller desk-size version?

>>2605728
Think the smallest Sony TVs go down to is 40". Maybe 32". Those aren't sold in America except for the occasional budget model.

You need a monitor for that. Like I said I'm not 100% sure how they work with scalers but LightBoost probably wont work for sure.

Going for a walk around tonight, council is doing their furniture pickup round tomorrow so everyone's dumping their old CRTs. Anyone got any good stories about random good finds for encouragement?

>>2605816
You just reminded me that I saw an Dell down the block earlier.

Just went and checked it out. E773, a bit roughed up but still has it's cable attached and turns on. If it cleans up well enough and has a decent picture, I could hypothetically switch it out with my dimming e770; No increase in resolution but it might give me a brighter picture. Otherwise, it'll probably get paired with a cheap c2d I got a couple weeks back.

Actually surprised it wasn't worse off, considering it was supposedly sitting right in the middle of the road and that it rained recently.

>>2605653
I find BFI to be complete shit. Makes things look flickery, somehow, even when they aren't flickering. Makes motion jerkier (than at full 120Hz) and things get really, REALLY dim.

>>2605576
*Can* you output through the VGA port on the mobo when there's a discrete GPU in the system? If you can you should be halfway there, as a VGA port is only going to output VGA. Then all you need to do is use linux... :)

Might be easier with a converter box of some kind? Like a downscaler...

so would this work for a PSX to RGB monitor?

https://www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/sony-playstation-1-2-ps1-ps2-rgb-scart-cable-lead

(with Euro Scart and Luma Sync selected)

+

https://www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/sony-pvm-scart-converter-bnc

Also what is the difference between that and this?

https://www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/female-rgb-break-out-scart-to-4-x-bnc--2-x-rca-for-sony-pvm-monitors

>>2606001
looks good.

The second, more expensive breakout adapter has a built-in sync cleaner, as the listing states. Earlier/display PVMs might need the sync cleaned; anything from the 14/204x series on up, won't.

>>2604946
Sold it for $350! The guy is a keen CRT/RGB retro gamer. He offered me $400 when he heard the next guy in line had offered $470! I told him $350 was fine and he was first in best dressed. I must be getting soft in my old age and less cunty. :p Just glad it's going to a good home.

>>2605267
pic looks very similar to mine, I've been meaning to check the inside for pots that adjust it even more than the osd.

>>2606172
the cuck who paid $350 is an even bigger cunt.

Does a single table exist that could hold two 37" CRTs? I'm looking to relocate both of mine to the same spot.

>>2606712
And a related question, has anybody ever had an experience hiring somebody to move a CRT?

>>2606727
>>2606712
Get a table made is probably the only option.

As for movers call some house moving people. Sure they can help. Probably not cheap though.

>>2607161
>>2606712
Actually now that I think about it a little more. Look at computer desks meant for multiple computers. Those can hold a lot of weight.

>>2606195
Not the seller, but chill. In Aus, if that thing was in good condition, and it looked to be, it was always going to sell for at least $300 in today's climate. If you think otherwise you're kidding yourself.

>>2606172
Out of interest, why were you selling?

>>2606712
Nothing cheap or recent, that's for sure. I'm sure the coffee table I'm using for my TVs could support the weight, but even with it's size, the only way I could see two of that size fitting is if they were placed ass to ass.

Something custom would likely be your best bet; Even then, it'll either have to be quite squat or decently reinforced to support the likely 400+lbs across the ~2 meter or so span.

>>2606712
>>2608424
Another thing to consider is that CRTs could interfere with each other if they are placed to close to each other unless it's in a metal case like a PVM/BVM or you never have more than one running.

When was component input a thing for American TVs? like the very late 90s?

Also I'm curious. What were the best TVs you could get during the NES era 85-90? Also what about the 90s?. Does anyone actually have information on the history of CRT TV sets like that? Specific information not broad.

>>2609508
Considering the sheer number of television models produced in a year, let alone a decade, demanding "specific information not broad" is a bit ridiculous.

>>2609513
Why's it ridiculous? It's history...
We have tons of data on all sorts of electronics.

>>2609519
Oh, we do? Neat! Go look it up yourself.

Hey /crt/ - I'm a bit new to using high quality CRTs (only ever had RF cheapos as a kid). I have a 20 year old Sony 13" PVM (1344Q I think) for my RGB enabled consoles.

Here's what I'm wondering though - I own a certain non-retro Nintendo console that doesnt output anything better than component, and only displays in 480i or 480p. What I'm wondering is, with it being a non-HD but non-retro system, would it look better on a modern TV or a CRT, do you think? Theres a thrift store nearby with a 20" flat CRT Trinitron KV-20FV300 with component in for cheap - do you think that'd be better looking than my PVM for that kind of thing, or should I just stick with the LCD I'm using it on now?

Sorry for mentioning > 1999, but you're the best place to ask.

>>2609521
I can't find much if any which is why I asked. Thanks for being a dick though kid.

>>2609526
>I tried to do my homework but it was hard so I want someone else to do it for me!

So, what, you expect some anon to recite specific details of a decade's worth of incremental television evolution to you? How do you not realize how absurd that is? Demanding that people not speak broadly about a topic as fucking vast as this is what's dickish.

>>2609529
Oh cool memetext. Thanks kiddo.
Sony has no information for anything pre 2002 it seems. Wiki has very little. Google has no database I could fine.

You could still do me a favor. Go back to /v/ and don't come back.
>>2609523
GC or Wii would be best on a good LCD. They're ED resolution. If you want CRT a PC monitor would probably be best.

>>2609530
It's darling that you mock use of "memetext" (do you know what that term means?) while continuing lobbing /vr/'s preferred button-pusher derogative. The fact that information is so hard to come by should tell you something. There isn't some sage on /vr/ who has vast knowledge of what you're looking for. What ARE you looking for? For someone who says "no broad pls," asking "what's the history of CRT?" is pretty goddamn broad.

>>2609543
Stop shitting up the thread instead of failing at reading.
Just because you're a fucking retard doesn't mean there aren't people here with some information to share.

>>2609547
I'm sure it's coming annnnny second now.

>>2609549
Do you want to contribute anything or you just here to shitpost?

>>2605576

DisplayPort is designed to be backward compatible with VGA analog. You just need a cheap adapter and you should be good.

>The motherboard I'd be upgrading to has a VGA port,

Dunno if you can use onboard video at the same time as a PCIe discrete card. Some chipsets can do it but not all.

>Order a noice AV receiver
>temporarily put one of the satellite on my sony crt
>some hours later, realize
>turn on and display a white pic
>discoloration where the satellite was
SSSHHHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETTTT
>remember that degaussing on regular tvs is done by turning off, unpluging and waiting
>few hours later, discoloration is gone
phew...

Let this be a lesson, AV speaker / satellites used to be shielded, this is most likely no longer the case because no one cares about crts anymore.

>tfw browse craigslist for CRT TV's for literally like 4 months for a small (9-20 inch) CRT for my desk
>Only people posting are fucking monster 32"+
>Finally bite the bullet and buy what I'm really looking for on eBay
>13" silver CRT with stereo sound and a built in DVD player. DVD player wasn't mandatory but a nice touch
>Waiting for it now, should be here in about a week or two.

I like sitting on my couch a lot, but I think having a little station next to my computer will be really nice just for a quick romp when I'm on break from game dev.

>>2609697
>tfw when nosing around a thrift store to kill time
>stumble across a 14" silver CRT with stereo sound in great shape
>it's the exact same model I took off a relative's hands not long ago
>$5
>now have two decent 14" CRTs not currently in use at all

Figures, don't it?

I'm looking into finding stands that are just the right size for the TV + small speakers for some cozy dedicated (S)NES & Genesis stations

>>2609586
>DisplayPort is designed to be backward compatible with VGA analog
I had no idea. Just looked into it and it seems easy enough to get a cheap adapter. Never thought a newer standard would be backwards compatible with VGA.

>>2609586
Does that mean DP is outputting analog RGBHV?

My CRT looks good in action but pictures I take of it are always crappy.

>>2609708
Oh there were a few tempting medium to large CRT's. I'm a sucker for a matching stand as well, and theres just something about the silver finish that makes it.

The rca hookups and stereo sound were the deal breakers though, and its pretty hard to find a small one with those.

I'll probably get a big ass CRT once I move to a bigger place, but I don't have room for a 50" lcd and a 32" inch CRT so the 13 will be a nice addition. Plus, if I was ever going to like a cabin or something it'd be small enough to take with.

>>2609586
>>2610080
Looking this up seems to suggest that it requires an active converter rather than just a passive adapter.
No idea on how much processing it'll do, but I can only see it being of use for PC monitors. Outside of getting more video processors, I can't see it doing terribly well with anything low res.

>hooking Dreamcast back up to Megaview
>end up playing GGX for a few
>decide to fiddle around with the terminations switches for the BNC inputs
>switching them all to high removes all the weird artifacts around the play area, gets rid of the signal reflections, and makes the tube even brighter than the PVM
>adjusting brightness and contrast gives a correct, not blown out image
I have no idea why this works, but I think this might just be the nicest and best looking picture I've seen out of a CRT, bar none.

This was over VGA, I wonder if it'll carry over to SCART and other systems.
I've messed with these switches before, but NEVER got results like these.
The few photos I took didn't come out that well, and the while the video came out decent, I want to try and redo it; Might toss it up on youtube and delete it later.

>>2610202
interesting. There might be more at play if you're losing the reflections with the terminations open. Do we know if certain consoles terminate the video line(s) for you?

>>2599635
That one in your pic is great. I use two for my setup and there's no loss of quality whatsoever, plus it has phono audio outs so you can extract the audio before it reaches the TV.

I got mine like two years ago so they shouldn't be hard to find.

>>2610223
The artifacts outside of the active area have only appeared like this with the Dreamcast's VGA output in particular.
I'm wondering if a modded GC component cable would have a similar reaction under these conditions. I'd like to try that if I ever get around to doing said mod.

I just can't get over how bright, crisp, and clear it looks.

I was able to get the colors on my BVM to line up well everywhere but the top right and bottom left. Blue starts creeping up in the top right and down in the bottom left. Anyone know what I can/should adjust?

I need your help:


Today I was going through my moms attic in search for a CRT (she has like 12 CRTs up there). I came across a Mitsubishi CRT, that kinda looked like pic related, but not quite. Not sure if it was a "Diamondtron" or how it's called.

I was quite happy, until I noticed there were no AC cable. I checked the whole TV and found a tiny bit of wire sticking out from the side. I shit you not, someone was cutting the wires of ALL the CRTs (wasn't my mom, there are some more people living in the house).

So my question is, how do I repair a cut wire? Can I just cut another wire and kinda stick them together?

>>2610908
>I shit you not, someone was cutting the wires of ALL the CRTs (wasn't my mom, there are some more people living in the house).
These damn *insert something racist here*.

>So my question is, how do I repair a cut wire? Can I just cut another wire and kinda stick them together?
This is very easy to repair but you might need to open each set if the cable is too short, and do it anyways.
However, always consider strain relief and make sure that every cable you fixed can withstand a strong pull or else a accident (where your fixed cable gets loose) can fuck up the chassis, yourself, attached equipment and maybe cause a house fire.

>>2610908
open it up, unsolder the wires from the circuit board, resolder new cord, secure strain relief, done.

for a quick and slightly dangerous fix, see pic related.

>>2610965
>unsolder the wires from the circuit board
Devices with nondetachable powercords usually have an (special) internal connector like pic related.

>for a quick and slightly dangerous fix, see pic related.
>dangerous
Please explain.

>>2611010
it could be "dangerous" if you place the screw terminals on the remaining wires outside the case, since there's no strain relief.

used on the inside, before the strain relief, is perfectly safe of course.

There's a TOSHIBA 32DF46 listed for sale for $25

Is this worth the pickup? Can someone with more experience with CRTs please help advise?

I have a really stupid ass question. Have any of you tried an HDMI to S-video or HDMI to VGA to S-video adapter for emulating older games? I can't seem to find much documentation of it. I would like to hook my Raspberry Pi 2 (Maybe my PC for some N64 games that I can't buy yet). I'm mainly concerned that most of the adapter board things always say that it outputs 480i since most retro games run in 240p. I'd hate to blow $50 on this shit just to have 240p "upscaled" to 480i and look like dog shit.

I apologize for that being maybe stupid as shit. But I've spent a few days looking for shit now but finding nothing but poor documentation or nothing specifically asking/stating what I am looking for.

>>2611368
I do not have experience with that specific model, but I own several Toshibas, including a 32" model that seems to be the equivalent of yours, at least in terms of inputs and resolution and such. I think Toshiba CRTs are pretty great, but do note that it cannot do more than 480i if you plan to use it on anything that is capable of higher resolutions.

>>2611409
It doesn't upscale 240p, then? Tha

>>2611368
Actually the TV is a 32AF46C if that makes a difference.

>>2611508
Mine's a 32AF45. A cursory inspection suggests that yours is a minor revision of mine, the exact differences of which I cannot discern. In any case, the 32AF45 is quite nice, so I imagine the 32AF46C is as well.

>>2611513
Looks like the speakers are the most immediately noticeable difference.

Looks like I'll have to try to find a spot to put it and pick it up. Apparently the beast weighs 140 lbs or so.

>>2611524
Nevermind, they look the same, oh well

>>2611524
It comes with the manual, sweet! Note that that's not the original remote. Just be sure the remote has an input button as it's the only way to switch.

By the way, in my experience, composite on these TVs looks surprisingly good for what it is.

>>2611382
Nevermind. I figured out a way to do it without using an Extron Emotia. For anyone interested in the method I found, Google/Search "PC Emulation on SD CRT?" and it is on the Racketboy forum on the second page.

>>2610202
>>2610223
It seems like the video lines being left high affect the artifacting the most(in that it gets rid of it) with setting the sync lines high is what instigates the sharpness and clarity increase.
https://youtu.be/8Kb0qbNIMRc

>>2612143
Neither my camera nor youtube's compression+scaling do it any justice at all. Everything is just so vivid, with stupidly deep blacks and darks that are dark but not to the point of black crush.

I can only imagine this is what it would have looked like optimally in an arcade, except with a much larger screen.

>>2607346
Sold it as I wasn't using it and needed the cash. I really want something at least 29" I had a NEC XM29 at one stage but the scratches on the screen bugged me so I sold it to a guy for his arcade test bench. Hopefully one day I'll find another XM29 or a bigger PVM BVM in good condition.

>>2612148
hot. keep posting.

>>2612435
That's just an excerpt of the video in >>2612143 . Youtube blowing it up to 2x-3 times its resolution just makes it look considerably worse.
Doubt anyone will want it, but I converted it to mp4 and uploaded it to mediafire if anyone wants to try their hand at making webms, I don't really know what else might be interesting enough for it to be worthwhile. Doesn't look to have been any decrease in quality from a quick glance at it.
http://www.mediafire.com/download/t6wblc7cwir7atu/100_6460.mp4

I think my wiis chinese scart cables are outputting ybpr instead of rgb , how do i fix this

Picked up a Sanyo DS24425 for $5 today. I can't find any RGB CRTs nearby, so component/s-video is fine by me.

>>2612826
Here's a picture of it in action, since >>2602245 used Super Ghouls and Ghosts as a reference (mind the shitty tablet camera).

i have an old computer plugged to a crt tv through s-video, how can i set retroarch to display 240p?

>>2612910
>i have an old computer plugged to a crt tv through s-video

It's probably locked at 480i on the hardware level.

The only way to get 15KHz 240p from a PC is to output through the VGA port to a RGBs compatible device.

>>2612819
plug it into component in, silly

my GDM-F520 from the last thread is having issues were it loses sync every once in a while briefly so I pulled out the black Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 2070SB which I might even like more.

mega man 9 on 360 >vga cable> retrovga2> 2070SB

not sure if it's just me but mm9 looks blurry no matter what display/outputs I use.

>>2613413
3rd strike on 360> vga cable> retrovga2>2070SB

Max scanline intensity for the photos but I usually play with it halfway or so.

>>2613421

I don't like the inserted lines to be anything less than 100% black because anything else just simply looks unnatrual and wrong. I keep the inserted lines 100% black and just boost the CRTs brightness to where it starts to natually bloom the scanlines together a bit, which makes it look like a high end Sony BVM when displaying 240p.

>>2613367
how can i know if my tv supports RGBs?
it doesnt have a vga in could a vga to component cable work?

>>2613473

If it has SCART input, it might support RGBs. Otherwise, probably not unless it's a professional monitor.

>it doesnt have a vga in could a vga to component cable work?

No, you are supposed to use a breakout adapter to get the individual R,G,B and C-sync lines and connect those to whatever input your display has. VGA cannot directly be output to component, you will need a transcoder that changes the color space from RGB to YpPbPr. Some transcoders may have a VGA input and standard RCA component output, so that might be an option.

>>2613413
>>2613421
Bruh, just make the scanlines 100% black and use your monitor's SuperBright option to compensate.

If you do letterbox widescreen on a 480p TV, is the image created still 480p, or is it downscaled to fit within the letterbox?

>>2613936
The resolution is the same. The amount of lines being used on the CRT aren't though.

>>2613936
depends what letterboxing you use.
If you display a game or video already in LB format, you lose resolution because of black bars.

However, if you display an anamorphic movie and then you use the 16/9 mode on your tv to correct the aspect ratio, you use all the resolution available but on a smaller total height. This is possible because a crt doesn't have a fixed resolution.

As the side note, bluray didn't implement anamorphic aspect ratio, so all 2.35 movies aren't actually full 1080p because of black bars.

>>2613946
>>2613992

Good enough for me, thanks guys.

>>2612834
Looks good.
You could try an RGB to component transcoder if keen....

>>2613368
its an old trini from yurop , anon.
of course it doesn't have component

I got around to doing the 240p hex edit thing for darkstalkers collection, I've never played these in native 240p so I could be wrong, but they look a little soft, even with the sharpness turned up in game.
The hack worked better in the last blade collection, and I'm going to try out so more games later.
If this is using the same engine as the alpha anthology , then the 240p trick should work in theory for it too, yes ?

I have been using this TV to play PSP and N64 for years, i started experiencing problems when i used my Wii to play some games trough component cables around 8 months ago.

Now this happens, is this worth repairing it? a slap fixs it but i been noticing that the screen "vibrates" and the quality is getting worse with the time.

Quick question:
I'm aware that the magnets inside poorly-shielded audio equipment can cause distortion to a CRT's picture over time. Does that only occur when the CRT is powered on or when it's off as well?

Basically, does the introduction of a magnetic field within the vicinity of a CRT cause distortion by deflecting the electron beam directly, or does it magnetise the chassis too? Or both?

I found a Toshiba 20AF42 today. I was surprised how good it looks even with composite. Some color bleeding though.

Also how the hell do I take a picture of a CRT without part of it being black?

>>2616492

That's partial vertical collapse. If a hit fixes it, you've got bad solder joints on the chassis. Proper repair would be inspection & resoldering on the entire chassis. Surprised it happened to a home TV, you usually only see that in industrial/amusement gear.

>>2616632
Do you have idea how much it would be?

Would it repair the other problems like the image of the screen vibration?

>>2616660
And is it really that rare on a home TV? because this is the second TV i have experienced this on.

What could cause it?

>>2616632
dry solder joints happen everywhere.

>>2616663
I've personally had two suffer from full on collapse since the beginning of the year.

>>2616560
Having the CRT be the only light source in a room helps. You have to get the exposure right; Long enough to get a full frame but short enough to not blend frames together.

>>2615330
I'll have to double check with how it looks on the PVM, but I remember the Collection looking a bit soft on the Megaview in comparison to the CPS2 versions emulated on the Wii(on the PVM).

>>2616760
Will try messing with camera later.
What are the best options for rgb to component. Still those csy 2100 clones?

>>2616560
Got a pic to work. Saturn with composite. Something odd with its component input. Doesn't like my GC. Think I'll try a cheap scart to component and try it with a 240p source. Maybe just spend the $100 or so on a real one since I want to get a BVM or PVM soon.

Been years since I had a CRT again. Thought my scalers would keep me away but I just can't. Now I'm sticking ones under 32" though.

>>2616560
>>2617216
Congratulations, that's a great TV. As for the component, I believe that's because GC forces 480p with component, which that TV doesn't support. Same thing happens with the Wii.

>>2617263
>Same thing happens with the Wii.

I don't know about the Gamecube but the Wii absolutely does not force GCN games into 480p with component cables. In fact I'm almost positive Gamecube games themselves prompt you in 480i if you want to turn 480p on before anything even happens to your game's video settings.

>>2617263
Wii doesn't force 480p with component. I can say that with complete confidence.

>>2617271
>>2617272

Every time I plug a Wii into a TV with component cables, it switches to 480p mode, rendering it unusable on any of my CRTs which cannot support it. Manually turning off 480p beforehand doesn't work, but it switches right back when I turn it on. If you know how to prevent this, I'm all ears.

>>2616917
I have no real experience with transcoding myself, but I was under the assumption that was the 2100 clones were just a plentiful and cheap option that just happened to have decent quality.

>>2617216
If you plan on getting a PVM or BVM, I'm not entirely sure why you'd want to spend more on a transcoder. Most of the newer models support both signals, and leaving RGB as RGB would without a doubt offer better results.

>>2617263
>I believe that's because GC forces 480p with component, which that TV doesn't support. Same thing happens with the Wii.
Gamecube will output 240p, 480i, and 480p over component, just the same as the Wii.

You do get some rather wacky signals sent over the composite line when you put it into 480p mode though.

>>2617271
GBPlayer will prompt if it sees a Component cable connected; Most other 480p compatible games require you to hold B at start up to bring up the prompt.

>>2617263
480p actually "worked" it was just really unstable and there was a double image. The problem is that image is squished or cut off the left side. I'm thinking it's something that just needs to be fixed in the service menu. I was messing around before. I'll deal with it when I actually have the scart to component transcoder.

>>2617271
>>2617272
Never owned a Wii. On GC some games just switch right to 480p. Like Paper Mario.

>>2617278
Perhaps it is the model of Wii that makes the difference? Mine is definitely displaying 480i on my tube TV, and properly switching to 240p for emulators, scanlines and all. And I definitely have it hooked up with YPbPr cables. Do you have a newer wii? I bought one of the old ones so that I could play GC games too.

>>2617281
>If you plan on getting a PVM or BVM, I'm not entirely sure why you'd want to spend more on a transcoder. Most of the newer models support both signals, and leaving RGB as RGB would without a doubt offer better results.
I'm still doing research. Thought I may need a transcoder but you're right I don't. Just BNC connectors with rgb.

Well anybody had luck with the cheap component transcoders?

>Gamecube will output 240p, 480i, and 480p over component, just the same as the Wii.
It does 480i and 480p. Not aware of anything that does 240p. I know some hacks for it though.

>>2617285
I have an older Wii w/GameCube support (red). I just checked, and it's connected via component, and displaying fine, so sorry about that. It's been a long time, so I guess I forgot something somewhere along the line; I know I had a hell of a time getting it to work.

>>2617278
I had this problem before, atleast in my TV it works.

Turn it on with component cables, then go to settings, switch to composite cables and select 480i then return to component cables.

>>2617329
>Turn it on with component cables, then go to settings, switch to composite cables
Turn it on and switch to composite cables*

>>2617282
>480p actually "worked" it was just really unstable and there was a double image
That's not so much working as it is the electronics of the CRT trying to scan something that it isn't equipped to deal with. The image is doubled because the sync frequency is twice that of what it is expecting. Feeding something in the range of XGA resolution will result in a triple image.

>>2617293
>Not aware of anything that does 240p.
I can say without a doubt that Mega Man X Collection and the NES games in Animal Crossing both display in 240p; The former seems filtered and doesn't look that great, but the latter definitely does. Homebrew can even force it on other games apparently, something I'm keen to try out.
http://scan-lined.tumblr.com/post/126890586982

>>2617387
Neat. I didn't know about the Mega Man collection.

What CRT are you using for these videos?

>>2617397
>Mega Man collection.
Only X Collection is 240p; The Classic series' Anniversary Collection is sadly 480i.

>What CRT are you using for these videos?
Most of my photos and videos are of a Sony PVM 20M2MDU.

This one and the Guilty Gear X one above are of a Mitsubishi Megaview Pro 37 "XC-3730c"

>>2617408
I remember you posting the monster 37".

Do you like the PVM? Do you think a PVM or BVM would be better for someone that just wants it for 240p consoles? Would want a 20" one if that makes a difference.

>>2617408
Also what are you using for input on the Mitsubishi? Does it have rgb or something?

Do PS2 games look better emulated (patched to output 480p then upscaled) or on a CRT in 480i?
Looking to buy RGB cables for my PVM but I'm not sure its worth it due to interlacing wankery.

>>2617415
The PVM is my baby, but is sadly starting to show its age. I still love the thing though.

PVMs and BVMs are infinitely more plentiful, easier to find, and in all likelihood cheaper. They're also much more well documented in the chance something goes wrong. I'd definitely recommend one if you want to play retro games in RGB on a high quality display.

>>2617419
Guilty Gear X was displaying in 480p RGBHV from the Dreamcast, so VGA. Klonoa was 240p RGBS from a PS2.

The Megaview supports multiple composite standards, S-Video, and will sync to RGB signals from 15khz all the way up to 85khz, with vertical sync ranging from 40hz up to 120.

>>2617423
>(patched to output 480p then upscaled)
Do you mean actual emulation, or are you talking about GSM or something along those lines.

PS2 games looks decent in 480i, but emulation on the PC can make games look quite nice. GSM and other patching methods are hit or miss.

How much a good PVM would cost?

What should look in one? low usage time?

>>2617442
I guess it comes down to if I find a better deal off ebay with a PVM or BVM.
>>2617448
Depends on the size.

>>2617448
Generally, between $50 and $200.

Low usage time is ideal, the less hours the better. Check the ports, some PVMs can only accept composite and s-video, s-video is great but ones that accept RGB + YPbPr component are more ideal.

Screen size is more of a personal preference thing, some prefer the smaller 8-14 inch sets, others prefer the bigger 20 inch+ ones.

>>2617460
I just reread your question; Were you asking about a PVM versus a BVM?
PVMs again would be easier to find and likely cheaper. BVMs are more complicated but still well documented.

You can run into where the higher line count PVMs and BVMs produce too sharp of a picture, but this all comes down to personal taste.

>Depends on the size.
Size, condition, age, location, and model all end up having an impact on price. You've got 8'' sets that go for under $50 and L5s that are often listed for $300.

>>2617442
I was under the impression all PS2 games could be forced to run at 480p, although I've not yet researched into exactly how.
Probably shouldn't have used the word "patched".

But anyway, the games I'm looking to play are GUST RPGs like Ar Tonelico and Mana Khemia which are sprite-based with prerendered backgrounds; nothing with polygons or 3D.
For that sort of content do you think I should emulate at 1080p or play on a real console at 480i?

>>2617501
Real console at 480i holmes.

>>2617573
>>2617442
Duly noted.
Gonna hit up retrogamingcables and order a set of PS1/2 RGB cables right now.

Thanks for the help.

>>2617640
>retrogamingcables

ayy lmao

>>2617667
Not sure why you're ayy'ing.
I've bought stuff from them before and it's worked fine.

>>2617717
He probably saw the shit cables they had from googleing. They've improved since then.

I wouldn't call their cables the best or anything but I haven't had a problem and there's sufficient shielding to not have any audio buzz. No idea what caps they're using though. They could had went back to being shit again for all I know too.

>>2617723
Not sure about now, but the SCART to BNC adapters I got from them last year didn't ground pins 5, 9, and 13 on the SCART side. It was an easy fix, but that's just lazy on their part.

>>2617732
There were wires just hanging in the plug?

>>2617742
All of the BNC grounds (Red, Green, Blue, and Composite Video/Sync) were attached just to pin 17 which is Composite Video Ground, and the only pins grounded on the SCART side were 4 (Audio Ground), 17, and 18 (Blanking Signal Ground, which isn't used for BNC equipped PVM's). Pin 18 was grounded by soldering a wire between pins 17 and 18

Most electronics would work just fine this way, but it's not a properly grounded SCART plug and some electronics might not work with it. There are at least 5 different pins that should be grounded for using RGB over SCART. Red, Green, and Blue all have their own ground, on pins 13, 9, and 5 respectfully, in addition to Audio and Composite Video Grounds, 4 and 17. There's no reason why they couldn't have grounded them since each of the BNC cables already had separate ground wires that could have been attached to their respective ground pins.

TL;DR, I'm anal about my cables being properly wired.

>>2617846
You do know that pretty much every console has a single common ground right?

>>2617485

hey Dash is there a way to play ps1 backups on a ps2 with fmcb? Most the guides i read are for an emulation of the ps1 games.

I moved last week and someone just dumped this sicker with my furniture while I had my stuff out in my apartment's lobby.

The best it has us svideo , but I can't complain about the price.

I'll get some better pics when I get my stuff set up.

>>2619763
Had a TV just like that in the 90s. Think that one might be a bit newer though.

>>2619083
For playing PS1 backups on a FMCB enabled PS2, you're options are essentially POPS(emulation) or a modified version of the swap trick.

So guys, I'm thinking about buying a super famicom to use with my PVMs.


is there any reliable source for a good japanese style scart cable? and if I buy one of the female scart to BNC/ phono adapters, should i be getting the one with or without the sync strip?

>>2620250
>is there any reliable source for a good japanese style scart cable?
Japan doesn't use scart.
Retro console accessories does jp21 and scart cables. Good quality. No idea if they ship out of America though. I assume not American since you're using a Super Famicom.
>and if I buy one of the female scart to BNC/ phono adapters, should i be getting the one with or without the sync strip?
Depends if you use c sync or not.

>>2620285

I've only been able to use component 240p and 480i on american consoles on my PVMS. I dont know the difference of internal vs external sync

>>2620297
Not sure what you're talking about.

To clear it up a bit SCART or JP21 carries RGBS just on different pins.
R - red
G - green
B - blue
S - sync
They're separate. Getting RGB is simple. The confusion comes from the S(sync).
For game consoles you're gonna have 3 different sources for sync you can get.
Composite sync or C sync
Composite video as sync
Luma as sync

Quality wise they're all the same. Only time it matters what sync you pick is if hardware dictates it.

Sometimes you can't get csync. In that case a sync stripper can be used to give you csync.

>>2620352

Okay, i understand, same "signal"
just via different pins.
Should I even bother with the $7 euro scart cables on amazon or ebay, or should i get the official nintendo jp21 scart?

>>2620370
Both aren't that great.

>>2620372

I guess I'll just stick with my wii and component then..?

>>2620375
Up to you.

>>2620370
eBay cables are mostly chinese crap that only carry composite.
If you can get an official jp21 cable then go for it. Just make sure you get a BNC splitter wired for jp21 to go with it.

You probably wont need a sync stripper, since if you're using a PVM it should be able to handle composite-sync.

long shot but here goes:

I left my CRT TV unplugged for 7 days while I was away on vacation, come back and try to play some Saturn games, only the TV will not power up at all, anyone have a clue as to what's gone wrong internally? It's not the wall socket, since I tried another socket in the next room.

>>2620530
Could be a lot of things. Probably fuse given the age of the thing or maybe the caps.

Someone here had any experience with one of these vga to rca connectors? I have a bunch of old TVs and I'd like to use them with my pc for film streaming, I was hoping gaming (mainly MAME) was a possibility too. I understand there could (and probably will) be lag. I thought someone here already tried one.

Here's the one I bought: http://www.amazon.com/EnjoyGadgets-EGVGARCA-Generic-VGA-Converter/dp/B00351VWKI

I'd use it mainly with a early 2000s flatscreen trinitron

>>2620627
You need a graphics card that can output 15khz

>>2620631
Would Soft-15khz suffice?

>>2620641
No idea.

>>2620643
thanks for the warning

>>2610457
bump
is it possible to adjust just one color with the control unit?

>>2620557
shit, I figured as much. I'll rip it apart when I get back home from work, but if it's not just the fuse, I'm gonna dump the damn thing and get a new one off craigslist, recapping is too much work for this CRT TV.

>>2612826
I got this exact same set a month or so ago. Is yours made in Forrest City, AR?

rare my crt, /vr/

>>2621557

I just picked up an 32" FD Trinitron WEGA model KV32FS13. I paid 10 dollars for the TV at a yard sale. I finally have a great TV to play retro games, so I'm very happy.

>>2622827
I'm happy for you. Nice chair, those are comfy. Dust off your consoles.

Just got a LaCie electronblue IV 22" CRT (from eBay)

It seems to be working fine except one big problem, I can't get the screen image to fill the horizontal edge's of the screen. It doesn't seem to matter which geometry settings I adjust. I can't get it to fill the square. I'm miss a lot of picture and this totally messes up the aspect ratio.

You guy's have any ideas?

>>2623060
Another image of the problem

>>2623061
>>2623060
What's the problem?

>>2623062
I'm miss ing a ton of space on either side of the image, can you not see it?

>>2623073
I should be able to pass the borders of the screen, but I can't even reach them.

Also, I can't find a service manual (just a regular manual) anyone if this thing has an advanced service menu?

>>2623078
>>2623073
Are you sure it's suppose to reach the very edge of the frame?

>>2623079
Every CRT I've ever used could go beyond the frame of the case this like losing half an inch of screen on each side, and that sucks (considering how much I paid for it) I might have to complain to the seller about this.

>>2623082
Also, the factory reset option doesn't seem to be working at all.

>>2623082
>>2623085
Take a flashlight when the display is off and look to see if there's even anything out there, there probably is not.

>>2620250
Good lord super potato gouges on prices

>>2623087
Its part of the CRT screen, it turns white when I put the brightness all the way up. I know its some kind of strange geometry issue. Gets worse with higher resolutions. But I just want to use it with 480p content.

I need some kind of service manual to fix it. I had a similar problem. On my 14 inch pvm and I was able to fix that with the help of a service manual

>>2623094
I didn't even think that place was still around.

>>2623060
>>2623061

good news everybody, I fixed the problem!

found the service manual for my LaCie electronblue IV 22.

actually it's just a rebranded "Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 2070SB", so I was able to use that service manual in particular to fix my problem.

now the picture is fantastic!

>>2623162
Great.

>>2623162
>>2623061

much better, as you can see.

>>2623163
it definitely is, this thing has fantastic scanlines at 480p (Dreamcast looks amazing).

I can only imagine what it will look like in 240p @120hz

awesome!

>>2623168
What exactly was the fix?

>>2623175
I just needed to adjust the H/V settings in the service menu (Factory menu is what they called it)

It was easy once I knew the procedure to access it. Very happy.

Now I don't have to ship it back.

I have a question. I have never done SCART before and I'm this poster. >>2622827

These are RGB inputs for the TV, if I'm not mistaken. It doesn't seem to be labeled unless I'm missing something. I could run SCART on this TV, right?

>>2623889
Those are Component inputs (Y/Pb/Pr), not RGB inputs (R/G/B/Sync). Don't let the colors fool you. If you don't know the difference do some reading, like at retrorgb, before you spend any more money. (e.g. I had my SNES RGB-modded thinking it was going to be component)

>>2623889
No, that's component YPbPr. Not RGB.

>>2623889
>>2623901
Also, SCART isn't a video format. It's just a type of cable. It's often used for RGB but can also be used for other formats.
Slightly pedantic, but it can help clear up some confusion.

>>2623901
>>2623903
>>2623905

I'm sorry, I meant to type Component inputs. My mistake. Thanks for the info though. I just wanted to know if I could get the best possible video settings for my TV with Component by doing a SCART setup.

>>2623917
I don't know your situation, but I don't see the need for a SCART setup. Component will give you the best quality out of the three formats that TV seems to take (Composite, S-Video, Component), but it won't take RGB, which is where SCART cables usually come in.
I don't think any retro consoles outputted component out of the box, though. Xbox, PS2, Wii etc. have plenty of cheap Component cables.

>>2623917
SCART is a type of cable. If you're an American (or Canadian), as I'm guessing you are based on even having a TV with YPbPr, you've likely never seen one before. No NTSC TV is going to have SCART.

There's good news, though. YPbPr component is indistinguishable from RGB. The bad news is that no retro consoles output it natively that I know of. Except the Playstation 1, by way of playing the games on a Playstation 2.

I just run S-Video with my nintendo consoles, which have a very good S-Video quality, and save my YPbPr for my Playstation 2 and Genesis, for which I have a converter box to turn a SCART RGB signal into a component one.

>>2623948
>>2623959

I seemed to be a little confused before I posted and I feel a little dumb. The more you know, right? Thanks again.

>>2623996
No problem. It is all rather confusing.

If you want to use SCART at all on an NTSC TV, a converter box is required. If you want RGB output from retro consoles, modification is usually required, and you'll need some way of getting it to output, since standard televisions don't have a VGA or other type of RGB input.

I found the effort entirely not worth it except with the Sega Genesis. The Genesis has some great looking games, but has absolutely dismal composite output. Blurry as hell and weird interference patterns. So I bought a converter for it and it looks great now.

How do you guys feel about the framemeister? I love CRTs but I just dont really have the room for another entertainment center and would just love to have it all in my big TV and the framemeister looks really cool, but god damn the price is just wild. Does anyone have one on here?

>>2624027
I like old tech in general, so I prefer an RGB monitor, but that's a personal preference. To me, an LCD is almost like the equivalent of an emulator. If I'm playing on a retro console, it feels right to play it on a retro screen.
That said, if a flat screen makes sense for your living situation and preferences, go for it. I don't have one, but I've heard it's the best at what it does.

>>2624027
Too expensive for me. I got my CRT for ten bucks, it works, looks good and I don't have to play around with it too much. I like the idea of having a framemeister but I don't use newer TVs to begin with so it's pointless for me.

>>2624027
Best possible picture you can get with real hardware.

Though it helps to understand what you're buying and what you actually want. A scaler like that isn't overpriced. It's not going to make any LCD an amazing gaming display though.

I like CRTs but it's not for any authenticity like >>2624045 says. If that were the case we'd be going for 90s CRTs with composite input. I keep a CRT just because I enjoy playing on it from time to time. I prefer my xrgb 3 and Sony w7.


Personally don't see the point in buying a framemeister unless you have a nice TV to go with it.

>>2624027
You're paying money for an extremely niche operation to be done right. It does exactly what it advertises. Is that worth more than the space of a standard def TV to you? It isn't to me, so I don't have one.

>>2623889
Those are component. You can go SCART to component with an RCA breakout (for audio) and a converter box.

http://www.amazon.com/Link-Scart-Adaptor-Nickel-Plated/dp/B003FBNKBW
http://www.amazon.com/SPECIALTY-AV-SCART-Component-Converter-Genesis

>>2624275
If you're playing a Genesis, you'll be using the headphone out for audio anyway.

>>2624316
Assuming you're using a Model 1, sure.

>>2605026
>>2605267
>>2606176
I've found the service menu and it works the same on the JVC too. Never been into a service menu before so I'm not gonna mess with anything unless I know for sure what each options does.

>>2626713
Would probably help if I posted the pdf https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3ZFcMWBc84DR2Zqd0NtLVJHTVE/view

>>2624316
https://www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/games-consoles/sega/mega-drive-1/sega-mega-drive-1-sega-genesis-1-stereo-rgb-av-scart-cable-tv-lead?tracking=5543fb4c077bb

>>2626876
Why use RGB on a system like Genesis that relied on hardware tricks for transparency?

>>2626886
everything else looks better and not all games use that trick

>>2626886
>a system like Genesis that relied on hardware tricks for transparency?

Which still works in RGB to a certain extent.

>>2626886
RGB is oversharp for all retro consoles except the Dreamcast. The upside that it looks better than composite while reducing the number of cables I have to deal with.

>>2626982
Also no mods needed for most of the popular retro consoles, unlike S-Video.

>>2626986
>>2626982

It's not oversharp if you don't use a broadcast CRT monitor of the early 00s or that kind of stuff.

Also
>Master System don't need a mod
>Super NES don't need a mod
>Megadrive don't need a mod
>Playstation don't need a mod
>Saturn don't need a mod
>Dreamcast don't need a mod

Master System aside, don't tell me those aren't popular consoles.

>>2627001
Not many people do RGB to something other than a PVM, except for LCD plebeians who don't know any better. It's a trade-off, like any other analog signal. I like S-Video a lot and I use it for my N64, but RGB is a good trade-off in terms of convenience vs picture quality for 2D gaming, and it works without mods for the consoles you listed.

>>2627058
NTSC LCD TVs don't accept rgb. Keep spouting ignorant shit though.

>>2627058

Well, maybe if you're in the US. My consumer Sony trinitron has an RGB input, and it's not "too sharp" -- it's way better than composite, but still has a slightly interpolated limit between 2 pixels of different colors for example. Hell, my Amstrad CPC color monitor only accept RGB, but it's no better than a good composite signal.

>>2627072
NTSC LCDs take HDMI from a framemeister or xrgb converter.

>>2627082
And that will give you the best possible picture.

>>2627076
Consumer Trinitrons are better than PVMs in that respect. RGB on a PVM can cause graidents to be less smooth, transparencies to become solid, or antialiasing filters to become artifacts in 3D games. I mostly do 2D gaming on my retro setup and I can tolerate oversharpness more than fuzziness, so RGB on a PVM works well for me. I prefer S-Video for 240p 3D gaming though.

>>2627084
It will give you poor color reproduction and at least 16ms lag. The geometry will be perfect but it will look and play like shit.

>>2627120
>It will give you poor color reproduction
False.

Only thing a CRT can compete with with modern LCDs is the lag and black levels beyond what humans eyes can see a difference in.

Not to mention any consumer CRT is going to have sub par colors compared to the top TVs now. You'd need a properly set up crt monitor.

>>2627130
If you want to spend 10k on an LCD, sure, you can get pretty good colors. You can even get a plasma with great color for cheap. You're not going to get zero latency, and even with perfect color you'll lose shading detail due to the absence of scan lines.

>>2612819
bump


if i have to change the pins around can i literally swap the prongs in and out, or do i have to re solder

>>2627141
>scanlines
>shading detail
Talk out your ass some more, champ.

>>2627165
Kek, next you'll tell me that your emulator's graphics filters make your games look better.

>>2627175
>kek
Guessed that correctly.

Hey guys, recently acquired a 14l5 that can do 45Khz video. Was wondering if there were any PCI card / adapter I can use if the only outputs I have on my computer are HDMI, DVI[-D], display port and technically VGA via adapter.

I love using a PI 2 on my other PVMs, but with this one taking multi format I was wondering if there was anything i cold take advantage of.

>>2627165
doesn't generate blooming nor color blending. All you get is harsh square pixel and you're still dependent on the lcd delay.

>>2627328
>doesn't generate blooming nor color blending.
That was the point. To have a perfect picture.

>>2627334
It's perfect in the sense that it's how the console is rendering things, yes, it's very imperfect in the sense that it's not at all how the developers or designers meant for their game to look and feel.

I think all this RGB shit is nonsense. For a SD console all you need is S-Video, max.

>>2627375
Some developers went for the best quality they could get at the time. That being PC CRT monitors or other monitors. Others used composite.

>>2627395
Should add I'm not saying either is inferior or superior. Just pointing out differences.

>>2627375
well, in europe it was actually easier to get RGB on tvs than S-video back then. Some consoles even came bundled with RGB SCART cables.
But S-Video is perfectly fine. It's still a huge upgrade from RF or composite.

>>2627404
I'm not really sold on that. S-Video on my N64 and SNES looks pretty much the same to me, whereas Component on systems I use it on is night and day improvement over composite.

Incidentally, S-Video looks better for me on Laserdisc, even though it isn't supposed to. So whatever.

>>2627414
N64 has the muddiest graphics around. Even S-video can't salvage it. As for the SNES, I watched it first hand and was surprised by how good it was, assuming you use a properly wired/shielded cable.


Native component consoles do benefit more from the upgrade, and some games support progressive display on top.

>>2627424
I probably just need to play SNES on both, back to back. Last time I played SNES on S-Video, I hadn't actually played it on composite for months.

N64 though, I legit can't tell much difference if any.

>>2627231
You can get VGA to BNC adapters from Monoprice - VGA is just RGB video plus horizontal and vertical sync information. The only problem is that the 14L5 expects composite sync (that is, horizontal and vertical sync on the same wire). I've heard that AMD video cards can actually be configured to output composite sync by their drivers, or you could try to rig up some sort of sync combiner?

>>2627375
>I think all this RGB shit is nonsense. For a SD console all you need is S-Video, max.

Get a better TV ;)

>>2627532
thank you anon, I'll look into this and report back eventually

>>2627106

Shit isn't that smooth either, like you can still tell pixels individually and it's still pretty sharp, but the colors mix a little at the outter edges of each pixels. Some PVMs models do that too. It's sharp, but not BVM-tier ultrasharp. Also on a well configured TV.

Anyway all that "dithering effects don't work in RGB" shit needs to stop when those same effects were used on RGB-only systems (some computers and arcade games) and worked perfectly.

>>2628185
It depends on the situation. Not all dithering tricks are the same.
This is basic shit. Have not played many games with rgb?

Picked up a Sony HDVS CRT in a lot the other day. Hooked up the Dreamcast and played Starlancer in 16:9. The picture looks okay.

>>2628185
vertical dithering can still look decent (MD Earthworm Jim games), or can get downright ugly (MD Vectorman 1), it all depent on the game.

Mesh dithering fares better but is still noticiable.
Best is alternating mesh, as it is used on Capcom ports on the saturn, unfortunately it wasn't used much on 16 bits consoles.

>>2628185
no such thing as pixels on a crt btw. The colours on the outside edges of the 'pixels' probably means your tv has an alignment problem.

>>2628190
>Have not played many games with rgb?

I only ever played megadrive and Super NES games in RGB. The cables necessary to do so came with the consoles.

>>2628271

I'm talking about the "software pixels", the ones we're talking about when we talk about the computer generated picture, and yes, there are pixels on a CRT -- the 3 red green and blue dots form a pixel, and in many cases, one of the hardware pixel is shared by 2 "software" pixels which is why there's this little interpolation at the edge of these 2 software pixels.

>>2628261

Okay, then most types of Dithering effects still work in RGB, because let's not forget that visible dithering patterns != the effect don't work.

Did composite video ever come to crts? I cant find one anywhere in my area.

>>2629595
Oh whoops holy shit, I mean component.

>>2629595
You mean component? Yes it did young one. Most flatscreens will have component.

Looks like I'm going to have to replace something in my TV's power supply since it keeps turning off. I assume it's a busted cap, about to take it apart to see.

Any advice? I can solder, but I've heard that there's some dangerous component inside a CRT that you don't want to touch. Maybe I got rused about that.

>>2629648
You should be 18 or ask your dad to do it.

>>2629602
Can confirm that almost every silver-bezeled CRT I have owned, and every CRT with flattened front glass (the ridiculously heavy kind), has had component in. Older ones from the "black electronics" or "faux wood electronics" eras tend not to have it.

FWIW, I have also encountered beige VGA monitors with RGBS on BNC plugs in the wild and the first projector I owned had both RGB-HV and YPbPr. This is in America, by the way, if that isn't obvious.

>>2630207
I've never seen a crt with component, didn't really know they were a thing until these threads.

>>2630469
Don't feel alone anon.

What's generally considered the best connection for a C64, composite/RF or s-video? Do any C64 games use composite artifact colours?

>>2630771

The Y/C one before it was standardized under the name S-Video. Also, the Commodore 1701 and 1702 were made in Japan (for monitors of that time, yes it matters) by JVC ore Toshiba (I don't recall which) and are pretty solid with a good picture quality for a composite monitor.

My Sony HMD-A240 has apparently decided that it wants to work now, and boy does it look nice.
Didn't want to work with the DC immediately, but a reseating of the cable on the DC side got it working; It seems to be giving similar results to that of the Megaview, so I'm beginning to believe that it's a problem with either the cable or the system rather than a quirk of the monitor(s).

I need some help with retroarch wii about resolution configuration for my crt. Snes, PC engine and cps1/2.

>>2630207
>VGA monitors with RGBS
wat. RGB and c-sync?

>>2631005
Probably means RGsB

I found a TV on the curb by my house today. Sony, manufactured July 1993. Only takes one composite input (and RF), and has some chips in the glass screen. It probably won't replace the other one I have, which is bigger and takes s-video and component and stuff, but I like finding new things to play around with.

/blog

>>2631278
>and has some chips in the glass screen
If you just mean scratches or whatever, that's fine, but if they're actual chips and decently sized, I wouldn't risk messing with it.

>>2631289
They're just a couple smallish things like this. Why not mess with it? What could go wrong, aside from cutting myself on them?

>>2631312
>What could go wrong, aside from cutting myself on them?
If they're decently sized, they could cause the thing to implode and throw nasty bits of leaded glass all over the place.

>>2631323
Well shit. How big is decently sized?

>>2631331
I'd reckon it depends on the size of the tube and how deep it is.
Most tubes made in the last several decades do happen to have a thick piece of glass laminated onto the front to prevent such things (as well as cut down on emissions).

You'd probably be fine so long as it's relatively small and not terribly deep. A little nick shouldn't do much, but I'd stay away if it's more than a couple mms deep and/or multiple inches long.

My Megaview has on a bit off from it's center that you can catch your finger nail on that hasn't caused it any problems, but it's still something to keep in mind.
It's visible on Klonoa's eye here.

>>2631363
turns out it doesn't matter because it doesn't work right anyway. Didn't seem to have an issue playing SNES games but when I hooked up a Gamecube the picture is all wiggly and cuts out frequently. I thought all composite input was the same - anyone know what might be causing the different? Or is it not actually an issue with the inputs being different, and I just got lucky when playing the SNES?

I love the 14L5

>>2631542
Gamecube is 480i and SNES is 240p. Points to something wrong with the UV or A board. Idk forget the name of the Sony boards. The one with inputs.

I think PALshit GCs need a special cable though.

does anyone here use their PVMs vertically? I tried playing ikaruga vertically in 480p and I didn't get a picture of it, but it looked like the colors were off in the bottom left corner, like blue and orange really off. can PVMS not be in use and positioned in their side? or maybe the cube ones can, the 14L5 does have buttons and other stuff on the sides instead of the bottom.

apologies for sideways image, Android +clover doesn't like to play well together

>>2632072
Can't really see what you're talking about in the picture. Your monitor isn't calibrated very well. It only happens when it's on it's side?

Have you tried to degauss it?

How do I get rid of the anti-glare coating on my monitor? There's no way to peel it off.

>>2632121
Aircraft paint stripper. You need take the case off. Ghetto way would be a razor blade.

Not sure why you want to remove it. Just kills the black level that is already deteriorated from age.

>>2632072
You're turning it while the monitor is off, correct?

Have you tried leaving it in said position for any period of time before turning it on? I believe giving it a bit of time to adjust can make TATE-ing them easier. I personally haven't done so to my PVM so can't say much more.

>>2632274
last night I left it on its side on my desk overnight and into the day. didn't try the degauss, I was so worried I immediately put it back into normal orientation.
>>2632103
its not in this photo partuluarly, but as an example. sorry.

You guys made me cave. Found a 32 inch trinitron on CL and a N64. I'm looking to get an Everdrive.

How do I get the best picture out of this setup? Is the retroRGB thing worth it?

>>2632387
>How do I get the best picture out of this setup? Is the retroRGB thing worth it?
Depends on the TV. Best you'll get is component and that would require modding the N64 for rgb and getting rgb to component transcoder along with cables. Not cheap.

Probably not worth it with the TV.

What's the best way to get rid of an old CRT that I don't want anymore? It weighs 100 pounds and I'm not strong enough to load it into my car, I need someone who will pick it up from my place