/vr/ - Retro Games

I'm sure the game play was much better than the original.

Let's not beat around the bush, OP. Just say games that AVGN reviewed that we like anyway.

For me, I like Fester's Quest. Just plug in a MAX controller and all of a sudden you're shooting like the goddamn fist of north star and just like that the game is a blast to play.

>>2598438

The original was barely a game. It's incredible, don't get me wrong, but man.

>>2598432
Pretty much every game that shows up when you do a search for "artificial difficulty". I love being challenged. By games I mean. Not being mentally challenged like people who can't git gud.

>It isn't a good game, it's actually pretty shitty, but it's a lot of fun to play.
Bubsy 3D is trash, and I never played Bubsy 2, but the original is a fun, colourful platformer, even if it is pretty crummy.
I can look past the common complaints such as the tight view, enemies that OHKO you if you're not gliding, and the character's sickening exuberance. Biggest fault I have is the jumping physics which sometimes makes it feel like you're fighting against air currents.

the first Warcraft, it's old and derivative but I still enjoyed it a lot

>>2598449
James is terrible at games to be honest.

>>2598432
Zelda 2
Best non-3d zelda I've played.

Maybe it doesn't have a "horrible" reputation, but I really like Sonic 3D Blast. Of course it isn't as good as the main Genesis Sonics, but I still think it's a good game, and the music is some of the best in the franchise.

>I like this game it's fun to play
>it's good at what it does
>but it's bad
Way to suck up to the hivemind, OP. You just made yourself look like a complete tool.

>>2598797
Actually what he said makes perfect sense.

>>2598809
Actually it doesn't

>>2598817
Come on anon, learn some empathy.

>>2598821
I am empathetic, but he was being straight up dishonest. Dragon's Lair was a perfectly fine game with fluid controls, interesting environments and fun puzzles. OP was simply afraid to go against the meme consensus there coming from all the AVGN fanboys and people who have the attention span of a hamster. I'm not gonna respect that.

>>2598824
Jesus, you have autism.

>>2598830
>>>/out/
>>>/v/

>>2598824
>fluid controls
nice bait

>>2598769
Yeah he isn't that good at all games, but I suppose that also makes him more relatable to his general audience.

Also, I think Fester's Quest is a cool game, but let's be honest, it has it's deficiencies, it's a pretty tedious game in some regards, bosses have a bit much health, and the weapon downgrade pickups can go and fuck themselves, that game has issues rendering cleanly always bothered me, even as a kid, you'd think Sunsoft would be better than that.

Turbo controllers definitively improve gameplay though, and the Missile item is crunk as shit.
Bosses and monsters are really a bit too cool for what the game is supposed to be, almost get the feeling thay Sunsoft recycled some cancelled game for it's assets.

>>2598824
>Dragon's Lair was a perfectly fine game

>>2598824
It's entirely possible to enjoy a flawed game for what it is, but DL has the opposite of fluid controls, and was infamous for this YEARS before James brought it up.

It's not like the game had a good reputation before AVGN showed it.

a perfectly playable game. But people love to shit on it for being too simplistic.

Vigilante on PC Engine (spiratual sequel) is awesome as well

>>2598824

Dark Castle.

People love to shit on it due to AVGN's reviews of the Genesis and CD-I versions. Those ports have shitty controls that completely ruin them, but it's actually a perfectly fine and fun game on it's original platform, the Macintosh, which used the mouse for aiming the rocks.

>>2599341
It's not even in color? Man, I think I'll give this one a pass. Even atari had color...

>>2599358
High quality bait.

>>2599341
Well if the ports are shit of course people will shit on them.

I do think it could have been worth of him to show the original game as not being shit, or as shit, if that's really true.
Though maybe he didn't have it or could find it, or maybe he didn't even know they were ports of another game?

Milon's Secret Castle

I think if someone made a few game mechanic tweeks to it it would actually be a really good game.

>>2599479
Romhack maybe?

Phantasmagoria 2, although admittedly there's not much replay value in it.

>>2598432
I'm a fan of Contra Force.

>>2599034
This game's pretty fondly remembered actually.

Quest 64. People make fun of how simple it is, but I've enjoyed replaying it multiple times. The game will keep you engaged in staying alive and managing the battle system. The magic leveling system makes it interesting to play again with different elements, or play with a more limited set of spells and so on.

Granted, I know the game inside and out now but I'm not sure how much I enjoyed the game originally. It certainly wasn't an N64 favorite. I must have liked it well enough, but I do I remember being disappointed it wasn't as complex as SNES rpgs.

>>2598824
>Dragon's Lair was a perfectly fine game with fluid controls, interesting environments and fun puzzles.
if i had to come up with the exact opposite way to describe this game it would be this exact sentence

>>2599528
Try playing the game yourself instead of parroting e-celebs.

>>2599530
>Y-you only hate being hit with a hammer because the Angry Hammer Nerd and Red Hammer Media TOLD you to! Stop parroting e-celebs and think for yourself!

>>2598780

3D Blast was in fact my favorite Genesis Sonic, right behind S3&K. The level design admittedly feels a little regressive in its detail compared to S3&K, but it's nonetheless a great game on its own merits.

I try not to think of it in terms of being a sequel per se, because then there's the expectation of it to live up to its predecessors. It's really more of an alternative take on Sonic. It's the same ordeal with Sonic CD. The graphics and design feel regressive in the sense that it's a slightly beefed up version of the Sonic 1 engine, but that alone shouldn't be a reason to overlook the game.

>>2598432

Don't hear many people talk about Mystery Dungeon games here. I've dropped 100+ hours on this one. I somehow managed to get all the monster statues in the black mages' basement, finished all sidequests and generally maxed my levels and stats.

>>2599530
i owned the game on sega cd growing up in the 90s and don't watch retro vidya youtube videos. maybe you should not assume things.

>>2599546
>>2599576
oh whoops, i just realized you were mocking the other faggots. sorry, continue on anon.

>>2598780
Game is so-so but the Saturn version has a really overlooked OST and the dopest special stages in the entire series imo.

>>2599530
This argument should be word filtered, fucking hell.

What if they just happen to have come to the same conclusions as this dreaded e-celeb? What if the shtick of this terrible e-celeb is that they showcase a lot of games with really terrible reputations?

Would you also argue that Superman 64 was a good game just because e-celebs have taken turns shitting on it over the years?

>>2599557
Currently playing this now. Just started the forest and done a few side quests. Loving this game!

>>2598432
Those games were amazing on Amiga back in the day, but I never could really get into them. Still lots of respect for so much quality animation on just a few floppy disks.

Anyway pic is Agony, a shoot'em up by Psyghosis. I happen to really enjoy euroshooters (that are often maligned here), even silly ones like Menace.

>>2599732
Where does Agony have a horrible reputation?

I wouldn't say horrible reputation, but Final Fantasy Mystiq Quest gets a lot of hate which I can't quite understand.

Yeah it's really easy, but that's kind of the point, it's designed to be entrylevel, it's like a 'gateway drug' to RPG vidya.

Sure, the controls kind of suck and it's a pretty basic game, but if you've got some friends that are willing to play this with you and especially if you're all at least a little bit drunk, it's an absolute blast to play.

>>2598756

The original Warcraft really is a different beast from the other 2 games because it's all about building towns instead of focusing on just the army aspect.

>>2598756
>WC1
>horrible reputation

You are an idiot.

Deadly Towers.

Pretty sure most people say this game is terrible is thanks to Seanbaby's Top 20 Worst Nes List and also the fact that they haven't attempted to play the majority of the NES catalog which contains far, far worse.

It's not an astounding game, but it had cool secrets and mazes and the bosses would even change in power depending on which order you fought them in. And anyways it's fun when you're drinking to go between dungeon rooms and make awful remixes.

Too bad Prince Myer starts out so underpowered and it's ridiculous to get him to the point where he isn't.

I played NES ghostbusters a ton as a kid.

the business simulation and simple driving/dodging traffic and catching ghosts tasks were mildly enjoyable, and quite soothing. most NES games were hard as shit and stressful to play, so I specifically chose ghostbusters a LOT

yep, zuul was completely unplayable. I never could have possibly beat the game.

you know what other NES games I had no hope of beating? every other NES game my family had.

so I'd put in the game and buy my equipment and drive around and catch ghosts and make money. then when I couldn't put off zuul any longer I was like, "well, time to turn the game off".

>>2599341
Amiga version was nice too (and it's in color, if that matters for some people).

>>2600116
Not Agony itself, but just euroshooters in general. Well some people here apparently hate any shooter that's not japanese. I'll play all shooters, regardless of who makes them, so long as they're not so hard I can't even finish first stage after lots of tries. Agony was actually one of the easiest I played (gets harder later on, but not impossible).

Bokosuka Wars. The game has some serious flaws; most notably the heavy RNG influence and how difficult it can be to just maneuver your forces around a few trees. Past that, however, it's a very unique strategy game with some clever mechanics. It seems to end up on a lot of "worst games ever made" lists because a lot of players just blindly charged forward into the enemy until they inevitably died over and over.

>>2598778
Zelda 2 is still my favorite game in the series and the only one I ever find myself replaying.

>>2601101
I agree with all of this. Deadly Towers is actually reasonably fun once it takes less than 10 hits to kill basic enemies.

I'm still not sure how I managed to beat it as a kid, though. Those dungeons are ridiculously hard to navigate. The rooms pretty much all look the same and there are looping hallways, so it's nearly impossible to map them out.

Love this game

>>2601101
>Too bad Prince Myer starts out so underpowered
Put in EF or FE as the last two letters of your password. Starts you off with fast twin swords.

>>2598769
I never had this game, but I imagine the way I'd play would be to get dr jekyll to turn into mr hyde as soon as possible and start shooting fireballs or whatever.

I probably would never get far in the game, but I imagine I'd be fairly satisfied with the game.

also that boxart is amazing. I remember seeing AVGN and other videos make fun of the game. my reaction was "who thought a dr jekyll & mr hyde game would be good and bought it in the first place?" that boxart is why.

>>2601212
Well it is a pretty good box art.

It 100% deserved the crummy reviews, but tearing up a city is still fun. Also, I'm nostalgic for the time when Pixar hadn't become the standard for 3D character design, so everyone borrowed from claymation instead.

I enjoyed ET for the Atari 2600 too. It's not that bad if you read the manual and get your head around the pixel-perfect collision detection. I mean, it's still not a good game, but that's because it tried to mash together point-and-click adventures and arcade games.

>>2601289
I think ET got the reputation it did not just for being subpar, but also because of Atari's mindboggling decision to print more cartridges than there were systems in North America, expecting it to be such a hot seller that people would buy systems JUST to get ET.

This was something that Atari would just do, the 2600 port pf Pac-Man was regarded as subpar compared to the original arcade game (and this could probably have been slightly remedied had they not chosen to develop it for the old standard cart with it's limitations). Despite this, the game was a real hot seller, in fact the best selling 2600 game ever made (because shit mang, it WAS still Pac-Man, in your home, no quarters), yet they had overestimated and made millions more cartridged than they could actually sell.

>>2601426
I actually thought that game was pretty good as a kid.

Now, it's a flawed game, but many great games have great flaws.

>>2602437
Isn't the drawback of this game was that it's hard? Watched AVGN, but I'm curious as to what's wrong with it since he exaggerates things.

>>2601426
I enjoy it as much as the beat em up games, playing as Donatello is pretty fun. Honestly, TMNT games in general delivered.

>>2602453
Raphael only is hard mode. Game requires patients and thinkin

>>2602453
The most noticeable problem comes at the end, where you face a corridor full of enemies that you basically cannot get past without either having stocked up on a very specific (and incredibly rare) subweapon or exploiting their AI to make them move off-screen and despawn.

>>2601212
>>2598769
Even though it's not a very good game, there's something really soothing about just walking to the left in a comfy little town while seeing the sights.

>>2602453
The game isn't consistency balanced at all times, sometimes it's really unfair with it's usage of enemies, and some jumps are really difficult and complex.

The underwater part with the dam is the frequently cited example but it honestly gets much harder later after that. The rooftops are really hard in my opinion.

Pit Figher (the genesis version at least)

I enjoyed the game a lot, I think the graphics look pretty nice (in a monotoneish way)and its pretty fun with 2 players. Its beyond ridiculous too. But it seems to get shit on whenever I look it up online

>>2601043
theres a Tibia general on here, I was on it for a few months again before I got bored of it but it seems to have active players if you wanted to restart

>>2601162
agony its fucking broken, you really cant consider it hard.

This fucker right here. I will admit it's not exactly the best game out there, but I felt James Rolfe didn't give this game enough credit. For what it is, the gameplay and music (what little there is) is actually pretty kickass

Also this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lf6Sn7n4cV0

>>2602495
Until the barrels show up. But even that can be overcome with a little strategy and looking before you leap instead of just barging through like James and his entourage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7BbVep9rTQ

>>2601165
loved this game as a kid

>>2601030
WC1 is consistently placed on the bottom of tier lists of the series, if not outright called shit and a Dune 2 clone. And that was uncalled for.

>>2601212
>boxart

I still don't get why they advertised the "Psycho-Wave"

>>2603189
I'm pretty sure he says in his James & Mike Monday video that he actually does like the game, generally. Although he may have been talking about Friday the 13th.

>>2603189
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lf6Sn7n4cV0

Why do people think it's a good idea to have some loud as fuck lead and just make any other support track inaudible or get rid of it altogether? It's a miracle I can even hear the chords/bass.

>>2604779
Well he kind of puts on a show, The Nerd is a character he does, a lot of the games he smack talks on the show he doesn't actually hate in real life, like Fester's Quest, he's mentioned that before.

But I also think he projects his childhood frustrations on a lot of these games, though he may ultimately like or even love some, I think he takes out his anger on them in that sense.

>>2599518
It wa essentially a rushed, unfinished game. It could have been decent. I can imagine renting it back in the day, playing for two hours, and saying "NOPE".

>>2604965

This. Some people like to tout it as the little N64 RPG that could, but it couldn't. It's shit, to be frank. If the N64 wasn't such a desert for RPGs nobody would talk about Quest 64 (an inspired title btw).

>>2598432
Ghostbusters on NES. I liked the idea of running your own business and going around town catching the ghosts to earn the money to buy better equipment. It's a cool idea. The game's really repetitive though, I can't argue that, but it's fun to just play mindlessly when you don't want to do anything more demanding.

>>2598671
Bubsy is going through the same thing MD Geist went through. It's a product that has a bad reputation not because of the actual quality but more because of how much it got pushed as THE MOST AMAZING THING EVER when it was released causing everyone to hate it as a kneejerk response. Lately it's been gaining a fanbase of people who weren't around when it was pushed allowing it to be judged for what it truly is.

A very mediocre platformer that's just like all the other poor attempts to dethrone Sonic.

>>2599034
People shit on Kung Fu? I always remembered it being hailed as a classic.

>>2601289
Shit my friends and I loved World Tour when it came out and considered it to be the best Rampage game.

>>2605289
I had it as a kid, but even for an early FC game it was pretty simple. Kinda blew my mind when I found out there was a much better sequel we never got in the US.

Bump

Not exactly a horrible reputation, but it's kinda been coming under fire so I guess it counts. I just really like the music and atmosphere. It reminds me a little of Gunbuster, which makes sense since they copied Active Heart for the Speed Shoes theme

Also Gamma. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnegqkIfXlw

>>2607149
Sonic Adventure was so much fun when it first came out on the DC, played the shit out of it!

>>2607149
It's like a hipster thing. People are coming out the woodwork to say "buhuh the whole game was shit." You watch, eventually people will jump on the classic series. The game isn't perfect though, but it's still fun. Also, the chorus in Active Heart...Damn, never noticed.

>>2607149
>Active Heart
Dang, that's very cool.

>>2607232
>>2607207
Yeah, seems like the game's soundtrack was affected positively by the composer's excellent taste in music (and robot anime).

>eventually people will jump on the classic series
Pretty sure that's already begun, most people I know who play vidya shit on S3&K. Not retro, but I really hope the Advance series stays out of this fiasco.
I'll quit blogging now.

>>2599034
This is my go to game when I feel nostalgic

>>2607326
To be fair Advance series isn't great, over reliant on bouncepads, the speed up things, rails and pits.

>>2599341

I hate this AVGN guy. I know he's super popular but I've never watched him, and I've been shitting on the Genesis version of Dark Castle since the fucking 90s.

All of a sudden he reviews it a few years ago and now I'm some kind of sheep I guess because I have the ever so rare opinion that the Genesis version of this game is dogshit.

Fuck AVGN.

>>2601165

Who says this game is bad? I only hear positive memories.

>>2608119
>a few years ago
He was doing that stuff in 2007, way before youtube reviews or LPs became a thing. I don't care for him, just saying. People using that as a reference point are generally gonna skew younger, so just let it be, man.

>>2598671
Bubsy was OK, the poor kid's Sonic

>>2599034
Kung Fu is and always was a classic

>>2601426
Flawed and difficult but it had the Turtles on the box so it was pretty rad

I remember Home Alone being shit on by magazines back in the day, but it is really fun and captures the spirit of the movie perfectly.

>>2599518
Also enjoyed, and played quite a few times. I liked the simplicity... which surprised me.
>>2598778
Dat dungeon music :)
Also, fuggin hell it was hard. I kinda wish other Zelda games were like that (Skyward Sword's hero mode for the first couple hearts was)

>>2608146
The Dark Castle video came out in 2011. It wasn't that long ago.

>>2608275
>2011 was 5 years ago

>>2608286
4 you motherfucker

>>2608286
But thats not really a long time unless youre young.

>>2608306
which sucks because once you're done with young adulthood every year starts to feel the same

>>2608309
being old sucks, and it seems to be eternal, and the majority of your life

like thinking about my grandmother. I've only remembered her as old. When I was 5, she was old. When I was 12 she was old. Now I'm 29 and she's still fucking old. In all these years I've grown it's felt like she's been exactly the same. Of course she has aged in those years but to me she looks no different.

>tfw one day we'll be the same
Once you're 50+ that's it. You're gonna be old for more than 30 years straight. I've lived nearly 30 years and it feels like a lifetime of change. Imagine being old for 30 years straight fuck that shit.

>>2608314
>You're gonna be old for more than 30 years straight
not if you kill yourself, stupid

>>2608318
good idea

The NES Conan game (aka the port of Myth: History in the Making on the Amiga). I just like the realistic mechanics.

NES Friday the 13th had a bad rep back in the day, mostly due to EGM's reviews and the whiners who said it was too hard (it had it's way around it) but I used to play the fuck out of it in my cousin's.

>>2608306
It is a long time. Think of it in terms of getting a college degree. Every 4 years that go by I think "damn I could've had a new degree in this time" and it makes it feel like I wasted a lot of time.

>>2601289
Never heard of anyone talking shit about rampage. If I ever do I'm going to slap their shit.

I was alright with NES Predator. Play control is solid enough and there's replay value in having levels with 2 exits that take you different paths. It's not nearly as badly executed as the MSX version, which suffers from terrible collision detection and framerate issues leading to shitty control

>>2609105
this

>>2598671
i had bubsy on the snes

i enjoyed it

>>2609403
To be fair the character himself is worse than the games.

I had a really great time with Metal Gear on the NES, I'm not sure if it has as bad of a reputation now as it did

>>2610709
Has it ever had a bad reputation? I remember it being covered favorably back in the day. I think over time it's suffered by comparison to later MG games, although it was innovative in many respects.

>>2610760
Well it's a pretty sloppy port of an existing game, though someone will shout 'REEEEE E-CELEBS GET OUT', I think AVGN pointed out some of the more outstanding flaws.

Snake's Revenge, while not canon, I felt was much better made.

>>2601346

Yeah E.T. is an okay game.

>>2601426

The best TMNT game. It was messed up but also interestingly weird. It has a charming sloppiness to it. Stuff is always colliding weirdly or spawning/despawning weirdly or what-have-you, yet the game is perfectly playable if you're not a moron (except in the bizarrely difficult final hallway, but even that part is doable without extreme measures).

>>2602732

I don't remember any complex jumps. There are difficult ones, but they're only difficult until you learn the trick. Like, tap A instead of doing a full jump at that one spot in the sewer, and you'll get across the gap perfectly; and just run across that one tiny gap in the one building instead of trying to jump it. Stuff like that. Very simple, though possibly still too difficult.

>>2608119

He's actually one of the best "e-celeb" game reviewers, for what it's worth. His criticism is usually somewhat simplistic, but he clearly is just a mediocre player who is not trying to pretend that his "angry, hyper-critical nerd" act is anything more than an act meant to entertain. He comes across as a nice, humble, hard-working guy when he's not in character. If there is anything wrong with him it's just that he's much more popular than he deserves to be, which isn't exactly his fault.

>>2610943
That's not my point.
E.T is not a good game, but it just isn't the worst. It's just 'kinda bad', but there's WAY worse games than that on the 2600 alone.

It's suckiness is just blown out of proportions by what happened around it.

>>2610951
Nobody ever comments on this, but it plays sorta like Metroid imo

>>2607451
That's mostly Sonic Advance 2 and 3. I think the first one is very similar to the Genesis games.

>>2608119

>I hate him
>but I never watched

You don't need to watch him as from a long time his angry videos are shit, but your post is pretty dumb because you hate him for discovering your secret game you hated before him and don't put your name in the credits

>>2611206
I believe that poster means he hates avgn because whenever he happens to state why a game sucks, he is accused of only doing so because avgn did.

Basically, the hundreds of games that James has reviewed can't be called shitty or hated on or else people will accuse you of following a meme or only parroting avgn when I'm fact most of the games James reviews are reviewed because of a vast consensus of them being shotty games.

We can agree with avgn without having come to our conclusions because of him.

>>2611371
Yeah, shit like >>2599530 needs to be thrown into a bottomless pit.

>>2603189
I think it's pretty cool, too. I definitely had lots of fun playing it.

For me: Castlevania 64. Nothing wrong with the controls, the camera doesn't feel worse than in Ocarina of Time or Super Mario 64, the music is great and it felt more like a classic Castlevania than the other 3D ones.
Definitely one of my favourite N64 and Castlevania games in general.

It's no Rondo but it's enjoyable in its own right.

>>2611473

I enjoyed the multiplayer, back in the day.

I have a bunch of games I absodlutely love but everyone else seems to hate:

-Double Dragon 3
Awesome soundtrack, cool graphics,It's challenging but not impossible, it's only impossible if you play like a retard

-Dash Galaxy
I dunno ... I used to hate it when I was a kid but I like it a lot now, cool super catchy music and it's really fun in a weird sort of way

-Bubsy 1+2
Everyone always exaggerates, it's not THAT bad, the only real problem is the camera... but lets not talk about 3 and 3d those two games really are utter garbage.

-Marios bros 2 (doki doki panic)
Peopel shit on it 'cuz it's not a "real mario" game. I don't give a shit !!
It's super fun and I like it more than the other nes marios.

-metal gear: snake's revenge
FUCK EVERYONE !!! This game is ultra awesome!!

There are others but I'm too lazy to keep on posting right now ...

>>2612698
Castlevania64 is pretty rad but I have a problem with it....

I was able to beat it several times back when I was a kid, without any problems.
Nowadays every time I try to play, I always get stuck in the fucking garden maze.
It's already happened like 5 times and I can't get out of the maze.
Is the game trolling me now or something ?!

>>2607149
This.It seems like everyone and their mother hate this game and Sonic in general today. I don't understand why people hate it (apart from the boring fishing stages which aren't even 1/20th of the game). This is objectively a good game. Not perfect but really enjoyable and well-crafted, even if getting used to the controls take some time.

>>2612698
Played it a lot recently after watching the AVGN Castlevania retrospective. I was expecting it to be mediocre but in fact it's a really good game, and the devs succeeded in transposing the classic Castlevania gameplay in 3D. And yet people shit on it due to some odd camera placement from time to time.

>>2612849
I actually thought Dracula's monster form was pretty hard. It took me one or two days to defeat him.
I really liked the design, too.

>>2612931
I like James and I still think the AVGN is funny, but his video on Castlevania 64 is just unfair, especially the part on combining Mandragora and Nitro.

>>2613341
>especially the part on combining Mandragora and Nitro.

What was wrong with it? I always wondered since I never played it, but how is it supposed to work? It looked like BS but then again he was just re-creating his experience playing it as a kid without a FAQ. I can believe he got stuck there.

>>2601289
People didn't like World Tour? I thought it was pretty decent.

>>2613483
It doesn't matter which one you pick up first and you lay them down by interacting with the cracks in the walls, not by selecting them in your inventory, you only do that with healing items and it's not that hard to figure out.
Also, the statues have nothing to do with it, they're part of another puzzle.

>>2607149
Used to love sonic adventure back in the day and play it all the time but I played it again recently and it's like a game for children it's way too easy,hardly any challenge whatsoever.

>>2614698
I think the challenge of those games is supposed to be playing them until you can get the highest rank in all levels.

I enjoy SA now and again but I remember giving it shit when it came out for being a press forward to win game. Still loved watching my friend play it while we were high then though.

>>2614735
there's no rank in the original game, that was added in DX

>>2611473
I dunno if the SNES version had any changes that made it worse but I own the Genesis version and don't feel that it deserves the reputation of being one of the worst games ever it got. It's not a good game but it had some pretty cool ideas like implementing the combat from a fighting game into a beat em up. Really my only issue is the lack of enemy and level variety causing the game to get boring extremely fast.

>>2612751
I agree. I mean, Super has much better gameplay, but the sound and music can't really compare to Dracula X

>>2612815
>Snakes Revenge
Not even Kojima hates it, he states it doesn't line up with his canon or ideas, and he was unaware of it being made, but that it's a good game in it's own right.

>Bubsy
I think those games get excess hate because Bubsy himself is incredibly unfunny and annoying, and they tried to force him incredibly hard to an audience who didn't care about him.

>>2615050
implementing the combat from a fighting game into a beat em up
>pretty cool idea

Sure is fun having to take 3 minutes to kill each guy.

>>2615581
mechanics do not determine combat time.
The timer in fighting games is a suggestion, not a time that needs to pass.

>>2615601
Batman doesn't need a timer to know each fight took an eternity when each guy had a healthbar the length of the Great Wall.

>>2615609
that's a problem of mediocre balancing, not the mechanics.

>>2615609
>not using grapple and special moves to fuck your enemies shit up

>>2617739
>special moves
they botched that up too, you had to input a long string using every button the controller including start and select

once you figure out the controls on the pad it's actually quite good

it's a great game like everyone knows, it's just that avgn is fucking n00b and suck at playing games so he trashed it.

come at me

>>2617787
forgot the pic. :-(

>>2617787
>>2617796
>great game
He might have exaggerated, but you sure as hell are exaggerating by yourself.

>>2617804
okay, GOOD!

this shit right here.
I shit you not i loved this game and thought its creative.
The reason of why you cant attack or be powerful in Dr.Jekyl's form is because he is a good guy and a regular person - there is no need for him to be agressive.
The world around him is mocking him - tempting to do something bad, but you should avoid negative situations otherwise you will turn into Mr.Hyde.

And while Mr.Hyde is powerful and can attack enemies - his way is a wrong way and you end up dying if you stay in his form for too long.

I thought that is brilliant.
I loved that game. In fact i actually wrote an article comparing USA and JAP versions of games right before AVGN came out and everybody started to shit in comments about how bad that game is without even playing it.

AVGN was just butthurt that its not another mario game where you can jump whenever you want.

Fuck
This
World

>>2617819
Just because the concept is interesting and thought provoking doesn't mean execution and gameplay is actually good.

Also, remember, he bases this on childhood experience, a kid isn't likely to appreciate a game if the gameplay is confusing and unappealing, even if there was a greater philosophical idea behind it.

You could argue that it probably shouldn't have been a game like this to begin with, because how many kids are particularly familiar with the story of Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hide? It could have been dumbed down to make it more appealing to the general gaming crowd, but then would again be the question, why make a game out of this?

>>2617920
>Just because the concept is interesting and thought provoking doesn't mean execution and gameplay is actually good.
but the gameplay IS good.
not every game should be mario
there are absolutely no problems with controls.
in this game you have to be patient and quick thinking.

Some rude faggot pushed you - you might get angry just like in real life but Dr.Jekyl must avoid being angry. That means he should avoid those people in order not to provoke his dark side.
The slow walk is a nice addition too - the game is tempting you just to fuck all the shit up and turn into Mr.Hyde but the nicer way is always harder.

>>2617920
>It could have been dumbed down to make it more appealing to the general gaming crowd
Fuck no.
That's exactly what's the problem with current wester pop culture.
Treating people like a bunch of autists.

>>2617920
>how many kids are particularly familiar with the story of Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hide?

Like all of them? It's referenced in cartoons constantly. At least in the 80s it was. You didn't need to read the book to know what it was about.

>>2599034
Who the fuck shits on Kung Fu?

>>2618379
No one does.

It's not a great game by any means, but it isn't offensive. It's a good way to kill 15 minutes and is an iconic game.

>>2618134
I've never read the book OR seen the movie adaptations and I know what its all about. As you say, it was references everywhere.

>>2617819
>>2617937

>>2617757
SNES port seems like a godsend from the Genesis just because it had three extra buttons.

>>2604661
It was the game that put Blizzard on the map in the first place

might as well post the original final fantasy

>>2601289
Was Universal Tour any good? Me and two buddies played World Tour a few months ago, but the only memories I have of Universal Tour is renting it from a video store during some kind of unlimited rentals special and bringing it back after 2 hours because you couldn't play as Ralph, Lizzie or George right away.

>>2617746
Nah, the special moves are pretty easy to pull off.

Sounds like you just suck at playing video games.

Home Alone for the Nintendo Entertainment System.

The game was a little more simple than other games on the NES. You weren't Super Mario going on a grand adventure to save the Mushroom Kingdom, you were a little kid trying to escape two burglars until the cops showed up. Really, that's it. It's two bad guys and one level for twenty minutes. The game also takes some of your imagination. The traps are just boxes with a visible representation of what they're supposed to be within the box (like a spider).

And yet, at the same time, it manages to provide a real challenge. It's a really fun challenge and a good game, and you've really got to commend the creators of the game for trying something different instead of just slapping together yet another sidescroller (like they did with Home Alone 2).

>>2619867
>>might as well post the original final fantasy
that one is also frowned in contrast to the SNES entries. It has a much better reputation than WC1 though.

>>2619853
I cringe'd reading that

>>2599732
That game and games like Shadow Of The Beast are sometimes more advanced tech demos than games.

>>2607149
The music was awesome. Sonic Adventure 1 and 2 were the last sonic games with memorable music.

Also, best boss battle music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47EB-v-lG3A

>>2620808
It's not pulling off, it's memorizing them that's the problem.

Godzilla on the original Gameboy is actually a really good game.

AVGN got pissed because it had nothing to do with Godzilla and then dismissed it, but it's a pretty fun puzzle game.

>>2621158
People need to take anything AVGN says with a grain of salt. Was playing Revenge of the Joker on the Genesis yesterday for the first time and figured out how to get past the gargoyles in like five seconds.

>>2621965
>People need to take anything AVGN says with a grain of salt.
Less this and more realize he's entertainment first, unless he's deliberately being informative.

His "opinions" are generally espoused for entertainment, and he's said that he likes many of the games he's shat on.

>>2607207
>You watch, eventually people will jump on the classic series

I've been doing this for fucking years man, fuck the classic series with rusty forks.

>>2607149
>hear nothing but how Sonic Adventure aged like shit
>didn't really care for it when I played it when it came out
>buy the game recently to see if it's as bad as everyone says it was
>enjoyed it even more than I did in the past

I come in expecting a broken pile of shit and got a fun time.

>>2607207
>You watch, eventually people will jump on the classic series

They already have.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYDsz1NFBJw

>>2622070
They made valid points though. Good review, just an unpopular opinion, but they supported it.

>>2622252
I should have linked the live stream where they got the footage for their review from because it shows that most of their complaints come from them knowing almost nothing about video games. I usually don't claim someone's criticisms are just from them being shit but they seriously took close to 20 minutes just to reach past Chemical Plant Zone.


https://youtu.be/d1hugi-hHcg?t=450