/vr/ - Retro Games

===NEWS===

[08-04] Feb. 1993 Doom alpha (between 0.2 and 0.4) found
http://www.doomworld.com/vb/doomworld-news/73984-doom-v0-3-resurfaces/

[08-03] Doom Will Not Get Mod Support In Addition To Snapmap
https://youtu.be/lgUB8aH9eZI?t=11m5s
http://www.pcgamer.com/doom-will-not-get-mod-support-in-addition-to-snapmap/

[08-03] One of the people who worked on the 3DO port of Doom discusses its development cycle
https://youtu.be/rBbIil2HPSU
[ Additional info regarding the plan for new weapons and monsters:
http://users.polytech.unice.fr/~buffa/videogames/Doom3DO.html ]

[08-02] RetroJam3DLC released
http://www.celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61216

[08-02] DOOM RETRO v1.8, apparently with Boom compatibility
http://www.doomworld.com/vb/doomworld-news/73944-doom-retro-v1-8-released/

[08-02] Yahtzee Judges Doom By The Cover:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/judging-by-the-cover/10295-Doom-Cover-Box-Art-Review

[08-01] Summer Games Done Quick: the videos
https://youtu.be/90A3WdbKP2c Unreal
https://youtu.be/8JYyqUU3Hq0 Scythe.wad
https://youtu.be/yN2JzwBmS8A Spear of Destiny
https://youtu.be/6xpJoI42tsQ Super Noah's Ark 3D
https://youtu.be/RSc1U-ii1Qk Doom 64

[08-01] Anon map release: DIKZAK v1.2 demo
https://archive.moe/vr/post/2580753
http://www.mediafire.com/download/dldizo52c4mrcv2/DIKZAK_Demo_version.7z

[07-30] Anon map release: jukejoint.wad
https://archive.moe/vr/post/2576254
https://mega.co.nz/#!g1wCwSwY!2IX40LCaSHap4ykfmHdsrXFN31_m48GqOcZJaB8DJqc

[07-29] Quakecon matches being uploaded
https://www.youtube.com/user/QuakeCon2011

[07-25] Adventures of Square v1.2
http://adventuresofsquare.com/downloads.php

[07-25] Doomworld host shutdown: early move forced by DNS issues, but was successful.
http://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1400546

[07-24] Arstechnica article on the new Doom
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/07/hands-on-with-the-new-doom-the-detail-of-doom-3-the-speed-of-doom-2/

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Please reply to this post with news.

Why did Doom get a hentai mod, when in reality it would fit with duke3d's athmosphere so much better? If you can change an imp so have tits, you can make a pig cop sexy in some way too.

>>2589757
Because HDoomguy wanted to make porn of demon monstergirls instead of aliens.
That, and more people play DOOM.

>>2589757

you swine

>>2589757
because duke 3d modding is pretty bad

>>2589757
>>2589768
to clarify so people don't think i'm saying "pretty bad" for the sake of trolling, CON is basically hell to work with
dukemapping is certainly a lot more powerful, but coding is pretty much sakjhdalkjas

>>2589768
Is that because of the Engine or just lack of interest?

Recently I've been going through the past cacowards and trying stuff out. I'm not sure if I can explain why, but I was really taken with The Grove. I hate switch hunts, especially micro switch hunts. The map was so well done that I completely overlooked that. It felt really relaxing, but genuinely scary at the same time. The fear of the unknown type of scary. It was like being a kid lost in the woods. It felt nostalgic. Anyone else like this map? Anyone know of something similar?

>>2589775
BPRD was certainly an interesting mapper. He often liked to do silly maps like nuts, but when he's being serious, he pulls off some amazing design.

Grove certainly is among the most memorable single maps I've ever played.

Wonder why no enterprising indie dev wouldn't ask for ID's permission for the licencing to the idtech1 engine to make vidya, Then again, the doom community probably wouldn't like that.

And what the fuck is id/bethesda thinking, not giving D4 a Mod SDK? DOOM has been going for 21 going on 22 years. Are they -that- blind?

>>2589778
>but when heb was being serious, he pulled off some amazing design.

Rephrasing to past tense, since he hasn't actually been in the community for around a decade.

>>2589779
>Wonder why no enterprising indie dev wouldn't ask for ID's permission for the licencing to the idtech1 engine to make vidya, Then again, the doom community probably wouldn't like that.

Have you heard about GLOOME, friend?

>>2589771
You will never be able to comprehend the madness that is CON.
It is an eldritch language that Build uses, crafted by the most torn and destroyed minds in the universe.
Beware.

>>2589784
>since he hasn't actually been in the community for around a decade.
That's a unfortunate. I hope he didn't leave because of anything bad. I'm really grateful for the maps he made. I liked nuts as well, I think that I'll go try his other stuff.

>>2589779
Doom's source code is under GPL. there is no need to ask for id's permission to use it.

I hope I don't stir up the shitpot by asking this but, what are your opinions on the MC vs DG deathbattle?

I for one have it ranking in on my top 5 most cringeworthy comment section in youtube's history.

>>2589835

The whole thing is dildos and wasn't properly researched on both sides. That's the whole of it.

>>2589837
this

>>2589835

You really want to ask the Doom thread what they think about it?

Even putting biases to the side, the fact that they got so much wrong about Doomguy and just made things up on the spot about him is abysmal.

>>2589840
THE UNMAKER RUNS OFF DEMONIC ENERGY, GUYS

DEMONIC
ENERGY

NOT ARTIFACT KEYS OR HUMAN SOULS LIKE IS DESCRIBED IN THE DOOM BIBLE

SO IT WOULDN'T AFFECT CHIEF BECAUSE NURBY HURBY DURRRRRR

>>2589835

Rather than typing out how that video makes me feel, I'll just reply with another video that properly expresses my opinion.

https://youtu.be/mhd0FAkcxvY

>>2589835
The video was a shitpot, and you decided to stir it up.

>>2589757
On one hand, i love the idea that Doom is getting a PROPER PORN MOD[seriously, porn doom mods existed long ago] at last.
But on the other hand, HDoomguy stated that he's only making the monsters to be sexy which sadly takes away the fun of fucking female marines
But on the other hand, Mike12 could make H-Freedoom, which would be more interesting because Freedoom sepentimps could be made sexy Lamias and the Hell nobles on freedoom are slime monsters, this would add more variety in terms of fuckery.
But on the other hand, h-doom is still in techdemo status.

Yes i have three hands, how else can i play H-Doom? ; )

>>2589849
Bu-BUT MUH HEADCANNUN!

>>2589861
>>2589835 (me)

You just reminded me of a doodle page I made of archie not so long ago. I may still have it around.

dunno if NSFW stuff is allowed on the booru though.

pic unrelated

>>2589880
>dunno if NSFW stuff is allowed on the booru though.

it isn't

Anyone here like me and make dehacked lumps for old wads, so that the correct level names are in the automap? It always bugged the crap out of me whenever I played a mapset that just says the doom 2 map names in the automap, heh.

>>2589885
http://vrdoom.booru.org/index.php?page=post&s=list&tags=rating%3Aexplicit
Yes, it is.

>>2589887

WELL, only a way to find out, someone dump every drawing Caco-bro has done in there

>>2589887
cool, I'll try to look it out tomorrow then maybe. I actually have a shitload of doodles and requests by friends I could share over there also, but about roughly 65% of it is explicit stuff though.

>>2589775
It was really annoying and mazey, though I could see how people would like it. I eventually just noclipped into the graveyard to get red because I was starting to get tired of running around aimlessly. Probably shouldn't have turned off the You switch though.

ANYONE GOT THAT WEBM WITH THE PORTALS DOORS, I REMEMBER IT BEING OVERLAYED IN THE MAP

>>2589757
Here's a question, how hard would it be to make a Quake Hentai mod?
Kawaii Fiends and MILFy Vores, Amazoness Shamblers, the works

>>2589982

>Ogres are gritty looking thick (in the right places) chicks in jumpers
>Instead of grenades, they throw dildos

hello friends

going to LAN this weekend with some friends and want to play DOOM co-op and versus, what's the easiest way to set this up? thanks in advance

>>2589770
>>2589791
What's exactly hard about CON files? I took a look at them and they seemed pretty self-explanatory, aside for some not immediately obvious syntax you'd have to read some documentation to understand.

I just noticed some kids in a youtube comment section (who knows what made me scroll down) insisting that Big Fucking Gun is a stupid name and the BFG in Doom was originally supposed to be called Blast Frequency Gun, which is completely false as far as I'm aware (especially the part about Big Fucking Gun being stupid).

Regardless, several sites, including the shittier Doom Wiki and goddamn Wikipedia claim this without any sources listed. After doing some digging up, it seems that Blast Frequency Gun is actually a gun in an unrelated game, Dead Rising 2, though it was most likely in reference to Doom's BFG.

Since I can't be the only one autistic enough to care about this, someone please tell me whether I'm mistaken and just missed some revealing interview or something.

>>2590017
Probably the easiest way is Zandronum and the bundled Doomseeker server browser. You can set up and find LAN games with it. Make sure to look through some deathmatch maps to play. Try sifting through Greenwar 1 and 2, Cybercrime, UDM 1/2/3/X, and Dynamite DM. I'm sure you could find some maps to pick out through those.

For co-op, two interesting map packs are Memento Mori 1 and 2. They're specifically made for co-op.

>>2590039
Straight from the Doom Bible by Tom Hall:

http://5years.doomworld.com/doombible/section14.shtml

Its original name was BFG 2704, and even back then it always meant Big Fucking Gun. You can now win any YouTube argument.

>>2590048
Its mainly MM1 that was heavily designed for coop. MM2 largely downplayed the coop exclusive shit.

>>2589969
Portal doors? Is that the one wit the guy walking though normal corridors but are different rooms?

>>2589784
>>2589794
His last post on DWF is from Sep '14, goes by Foofoo.

Is it just me or does level 3 in BTSX Episode 1's soundtrack sound like Karma Police from Radiohead?

>>2590134
Huh, didn't know that. Though still, he hasn't made anything in ages.

>>2590140
Eh, not really seeing it. They don't even have the same tempo.

When you download a .wad upon joining a server where is the .wad stored?

>>2590148
Wherever you told the server browser to put it. Doomseeker/Doom Explorer both have entries in their options menus, look for the Wadseeker/GetWAD sections respectively. I forget the defaults, sorry.

Am I the only one that finds E1M8 to be kind of disappointing? I know it's supposed to be a climax with a boss fight in a cool arena, but dunno, it's way too short and simple even for the first episode of Doom.
I actually prefer Knee-Deep in ZDoom's version...

>>2590157
Yeah E1M8 is a bit too short and a bit dull, however KDIZD's fucking final boss can go eat a dick, what the fuck was that awful orange bastard piece of shit? Straight out of left field.

>>2590173
Yeah, the final boss was pretty stupid even with the overpowered rifle you get near the end. Everything else was really cool even though I know a lot of people don't like backtracking.

>>2590157
>>2590173
You kinda had to be there when the shareware first came out to really get a kick out of the bruiser brothers, really. Same goes for E2M8 and the Cyberdemon.

E3M8 was pretty bad, even for the time, though. Plasma rifle in the middle of the level makes for an easy fight. And on top of that, if you were playing progressively, you'd likely have a BFG handy to kill the Mastermind in literally 3 seconds.

>>2589969
>>2590131
Please respond.

I don't know if I should be asking this here, but do these look good? My image editing skills suck and I've only done minor manga editing before.

Should I change Munic. (Ammo) to Munición with smaller letters like I did with Armor for Heretic? Also, it's supposed to be Armadura even though that M looks like an H or N.
The reason I used Coraza rather than Armadura in Doom is because I hadn't thought of writing it with smaller letters like in Heretic. Coraza specifically means breasplate or cuirass, but I might change it to the same as in Heretic.

You guys know about this, right? http://www.doomworld.com/vb/doomworld-news/73984-doom-v0-3-resurfaces/

>>2590212
Please respond.>>2589969

>>2590317
It's literally the first line in the News post.

You do not know what to do with your old hardware? purchase a housing arcade games or build one as wood agglomerate. In my case I had saved a Pentium 4 3.00GHz 1GB ram corsair, 32mb video card TNT2, creative sound card and 4GB hard disk. Now I have to change because the damn TV have a power problem and image is crushed. The sound of the speaker itself is spectacular. My intention is to change the hard disk by one of 20gb since 4 is of questionable stability, place the best mods for Doom and obviously arcade classics.

>>2589982
>>2590005
I have a relevant image.

>>2589835
ScrewedUpAttack's Dumb Battles are pure bullshit, that's all that's needed to be said about it.

>>2590317
> R Use High-color DAC (160 x200, but great color!)
> (Only newer VGA cards have this-if it looks OK, ya got it)
> (This may--okay, will--REALLY screw up the playscreen's
> graphics. Just look at the neat colors and don't worry.)

So it WAS actually meant to draw a 160x200 15bpp screen, with no other 160 even columns lying in a buffer or something. Oh well.

What should be /vr/'s next community map project? I was thinking more speedmaps but also in conjunction with doomworld's random level name generator or something in a similar vein.

>>2590365
I would if I had any spare motivation. It's a cool project you're doing anon.

>>2590447
Everyone maps with a DDR Pad.

>>2589748
Best retro doom game?

http://strawpoll.me/4969650

>>2590447
Why not just go for it and make skeletons the unifying theme? To be be interpreted with complete freedom of course.

>>2590484
>Ultimate Doom is winning
Any particular reason?

I'm new to the series after not having played since I was a young child and currently playing through Ultimate, pls no bully

>>2590539
Ultimate Doom has the best level design of all the official games, particularly because of E1 (Knee-deep in the dead) which is pretty amazing. Doom 2 adds a lot of cool monsters and nice gun, but the levels both look and play worse in general.

>>2590539

Better level design, for starters. The last Doom maps Romero ever did were for Ultimate.

Ultimate Doom has good level design, but I think Doom 64 has better level design.

It's just really obscured by how dark and stylizing everything is, but the actual layouts of the maps are amazing.

>>2590570
Yeah d64 is a real gem.

>>2589038
Anyone here know I can fix this?

I really like want to keep play BoA.

>>2590484
Doom > Final Doom > Doom 2 > 64 > Ultimate = Master Levels

>>2590484
Final Doom should be divided into Plutonia and Evilution

>>2590570
Eh, I felt some maps in 64 had issues with flow and pacing. And I miss seeing monsters like the Arch-vile. But doom 64 was still decent, overall.

>>2590613
This. Plutonia is garbage but Evilution is amazing.

>>2590617
>Plutonia is garbage

I think we've been over this "if it is hard it means it's shit" issue already

>>2590619
It's not about its difficulty. The level layout and design in general is very bad.

http://a.uguu.se/xvpjva_pl31u929.lmp

>>2590619
it's trying to restart the argument from >>2550015. it's even the same strawpoll url.

>>2590624
>The level layout and design in general is very bad.

And yet, it was highly influential among mappers, and even received two unnofficial sequels.

>>2589982
I am now imagining fiends in sailor fukus, holding pieces of toast in their mouths as they lunge at you...

Not sure if I should be annoyed or amused.

>>2590628
Man, fuck Cyberden.

>>2590619

BUT DOOM HAS ARTIFICIAL DIFFICULTY!
RANDOMIZED DAMAGE, IT'S A CLEAR FLAW IN DESIGN!

Note: this post is sarcasm

>>2590307
Why coraza and not armadura?
And yeah you should change from Munic, to Munición

>>2590628
I always thought it was funny that the intermission calls Cyberden the second hardest in Plutonia. While I guess the arch-viles in the walls could throw some lesser skilled players off, its actually easier than a fair chunk of normal levels in the later half.

>>2590648
Randomized damage doesn't really serve any purpose in doom though, in my humble opinion.

Is Doomworld still down for anyone else? Because I keep getting "connection was reset"

>>2590632
Speaking of that poll, there's no fucking way he got 400+ votes from /vr/ alone.

>>2590653

It must be your end, bro. I'm browsing the 0.3 thread as we speak

>>2590653
Did you flush your DNS?

>>2590649
>Why coraza and not armadura?
he literally says why in that pos

>>2590642
>>2590650
in the last thread someone was asking if it was really hard and i told him it wasn't. even though he eventually ended up agreeing i had already decided i should record it as proof.

you're right it's far from the hardest map, but it is the only one apart from 32 that has multiple cyberdemons. it seems this was the gauge the text screen author used.

>>2590649
Like I said, it's because I translated the Doom HUD before Heretic's and I didn't even think about using a similar, smaller font.
Armas looks pretty cluttered too.

>>2590657
>>2590660
I flushed DNS and even cleared my cookies for Doomworld, still getting "connection was reset"

>>2590662
Oh, anyway i find it strange to say coraza
>>2590671
Yes armas looks very cluttered you should find a way that it looks comfy, also the names of the Doom episodes sounds even cheesier in spanish.

>>2590651
i think it teaches you that you can't just take damage, you must dodge and avoid it as much as possible. but if you do mess up and take a few hits you're not just dead, you might be lucky.

>>2590675
Could be your ISP being a dick.

>>2590680
>i think it teaches you that you can't just take damage, you must dodge and avoid it as much as possible
I don't see how that is affect by randomization.
>but if you do mess up and take a few hits you're not just dead, you might be lucky.
But you might just as well take higher than average instead of lower.

>>2590570
Doom 64's levels felt really cramped to me and progression was sometimes a bit odd.
It was also rather limited by the N64, with the subtraction of certain monsters and smaller encounters the game felt a lot slower.
It had some really nice visuals and design sometimes.

>>2590675
do a ping and a traceroute and see where the problem is

>>2590671
>>2590679

A suggestion.
Since "Thy" comes from the Old English, you can use the Old Spanish variant from "Tu", which would be "Vuestra", I think.

>"Vuestra Carne Consumida"

>>2590619
The difficulty starts really early on so there's very little feel of progression and pacing.

>>2590692
This, it should sound better

>>2590686
>I don't see how that is affect by randomization.
because you can't just say "oh i'll let this hit me, it'll only do 30 damage" when it might do 80

>>2590681
>>2590689
Tried to access Doomworld via proxy and I can, really don't fucking no what the issue is

>>2590692
"Thy" is the old English version of the French "Tu", actually. Its the familiar form.

>>2590692
The title in English comes from the traditional translation of the Bible, that's it, King James' version.

The traditional Spanish translation is Reina-Valera 1960, which says the following in Proverbs 5:11:
>Cuando se consuma tu carne y tu cuerpo
There is no point in using fake old Spanish for a phrase that doesn't even use "vuestro" in any translation of the Bible. Besides, the word "tu" is pretty old and "vuestro" wasn't used exclusively.

Likewise, titles in Spanish don't, or rather, shouldn't capitalize every word, only the first.

>>2590706
what IP does your system think it has? it should be 69.164.207.121

>>2590317
>>2590432
Here's a comparison screenshot using both modes. I have kept the horizontal doubling on the 8bpp shot for consistency. The palette improvement in dark places is definitely noticeable.

>>2590708
"pesadilla" mus be the least scary-sounding word for nightmare in any language.

>>2590696
Plutonia was designed specifically for people who have already finished the other iwads, and wanted a bigger challenge.

>>2590718
A quesadilla that only costs a peso? Sign me up.

>>2590696
>there's very little feel of progression and pacing.

I disagree. It may generally be lacking in Easy levels, but the first half was mostly medium, and the second half was mostly hard. The levels also got larger by the second half.

>>2590721
kek

>>2590713
Here's another which really nails the difference in shading.

>>2590365
thanx dude.

Why don't we bug bethesda to wrastle over some major doom things to steam? Having people have more access to DOOM 64 and DOOM RL may be a nice touch. Also might stir the pot

>>2590830
Wouldn't take cause the TCs to get attacked with cease and desist letters?

>>2590830
>DOOM 64
Won't that involve Williams Entertainment and Nintendo?

>>2590035
I don't know what they're talking about. I've been able to do a ton of crazy shit with it.

>>2590838
>Williams Entertainment
Considering that they developped it, yes, though you'd have to bug WB Games instead considering Williams' VIdeo Game assets got bought by Midway, or something like that, and then Midway went bankrupt in 2009 and got bought out by WB Games afterwards.

>Nintendo
If they had an exclusivity deal for the game with Nintendo that happens to be still in effect and it wasn't an N64 exclusive merely due to the dev and publisher's choice, then yes to that as well. Doom 64 on Wii U N64 Virtual Console when?

So I got Quake running by itself, but no music. There's music in the first pastebin but I don't know where to put it. Also the link to the music for the second expansion is dead.

>>2590830

Why do you fuckers want everything on Steam?

>>2590830
>DOOM 64

Words from Kaiser himself

"I'd prefer if Zenimax/Bethesda not know of Doom64 EX's existence. I'd also appreciate if this won't be mentioned to Pete Hines either."

As a matter of fact, the source of this quote is an entire thread dedicated to this idea

http://www.doomworld.com/vb/doom-general/73247-doom-64-on-steam-petition/

>>2590978
>muh sekret video game

>>2590978
>muh playtime
>muh trading cards
>muh acheivements
>muh library

>>2590983

Quasar telling it like it is

>>2590978
Simple distribution through a modern channel.
I recognize that Steam isn't the best at all times, but it's an easy way to publish a game with little cost to the publisher.

>>2591018
I think GoG is a better option.

>>2590978
i don't know. what does steam offer over installing an engine+wad into a directory? i don't mean achievements and all that crap. easier setup/organization? you get all your games in one place, click on them to launch, without having to understand anything technical? i.e. like a console but for PC?

Doom 4's IMDB lists 2 actors.
Chad Todhunter as 'Ancira'
Mark Ashton's role is not listed

http://www.chadtodhunter.com/chad-todhunter-resume/
Chad Todhunter's website has him listed as 'lead'.

This IMDB can't be very accurate, it's very sparse. This must just be some cast members from 'call of doom'.

>>2591048
>Chad Todhunter
haha what a name. he might as well be called Brawny Meathead

What is /vr/'s opinion on freelook+no autoaim?

>>2591118
How I always play doom. It makes the game so much more enjoyable I don't really care if it makes maps purposely having monsters on high ledges for the sake of difficulty easier. I think mouselook, high resolution adn whatnot serve to polish the gem that is doom and bring out the best in it.

>>2591118

Can break maps, game wasn't designed around it, but it's ultimately not THAT big a deal. Play how you want.

How come, whenever I look up or down a bit in Zandronum, the screen kind of warps? I don't think I've seen this happen to other people.

>>2591048
>Chad Todhunter
Toplel

>>2591118

Play however you want.

People who sperg out over other people mouseaim/autoaim need help. It's one thing to criticize people who go "burtal dom is the only way to play doom!!!1!", but freelook/autoaim doesn't really detract from the game that much. It's basically inoffensive next to stuff like jumping/crouching.

>>2591118
Freelook isn't as bad as many people say. I have rarely found it to be game breaking.
It's totally legit on Heretic, Hexen and some mods, though.

>>2591135
switch to hardware/openGL mode

>>2590975
create a directory named tracks in quake's main directory/whatever sourceport is it you're using

put the tracks in there in ogg format

>>2591118

We don't mind, but PLEASE keep in mind how stuff like >>2591135 can and WILL happen unless you're using GZDoom or Zandronum in openGL mode

>>2591135
>>2591159
>not being used to warping by playing tons of Duke3D

http://a.uguu.se/ilctbe_pl07u349.lmp

>>2589757
2D pig disgusting.

>>2591159
Honestly one thing I don't get is people who play/make non-vanilla (or vanilla-esque) mods and prefer the software renderer.

>>2591173
if i may offer one potential explanation: software always works. gl leaves you at the mercy of your graphics card / drivers / graf zahl's unwillingness to support some combination of such / etc.

Anybody see this yet?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A12sET6EXKI

>>2591173
because doom in hardware mode looks like low poly garbage instead of a finely tuned pixel melange.

>>2591242
Without filters it's no less pixellated, just shaded more smoothly.

>>2591230
That's a good reason, but it's related to necessity rather than preference.

>>2591173
Because Software Rendering is pretty as fuck

>>2591271

Ooooh, what mod is that?

>>2591265
Yes, precisely. Instead of pixelated striations of shading on the architecture which fool the eye into thinking there is more detail than there really is, you get a perfectly rendered smooth gradation of color, which just highlights the fact that it's basically one big flat evenly-shaded polygon. It looks hideous.

>>2591278
I'm not arguing against doom looking good in software, but I do think it looks and handles even better in opengl.
>>2591291
Temple of the lizardmen 3. It's pretty good, bit too linear though. Looks and sounds amazing.

>>2591302
What you're describing is how I see trilinear filtering with low res textures like the standard doom ones, but I'm not seeing it with no filtering at all. I like the look of smoothly lit and shaded pixelated sprites, shapes, and textures.

>>2591271
>>2591308
what mod

>>2591317
did you even read the posts you quoted

come on anon, you're better than this

>>2591317
It literally says in one of the posts you quoted.

When is Yholl going to update DRLA?
Is this going to turn into another Metroid Dreadnought or Space Pirate fiasco?

>>2591330
hes recently lost a family member and requests some privacy+patience at this time.

>>2591324
>>2591325
not him but i thought that shit was a furry porn mod

New HDoom art when?

>>2591330
But DRLA doesn't really lack anything except MOAR, y'know. It's perfectly functional a great as it is. Metroid dreadnought however was supposed to have maps and enemies made for it, that's a much larger leap/lack.

>>2591338
Oh :(
Wish him and his family well.

>>2591302
>you get a perfectly rendered smooth gradation of color [...] It looks hideous.
so i guess you wouldn't care for truecolor software mode either

>striations
well i learned a new word today. i thought it was a typo.

Any word on the Berserk mod?

>>2591291
Temple of the Lizardmen 3

>>2591341
Lol no. There's some very minor DN3D tier content where the dirtiest is a lizard woman in a pinup style pose in a secret location. The previous entry in the series has slightly more ~5x5 pixel breasts IIRC

>>2590617
Nah you're garbage.

>>2590624
And you're an idiot.

>>2590654
Indeed.

Guess who Decided to join Doomworld today.

>>2591308
>that ut99 emblem

>>2591389

the more self-deprecating the usernames are, the more cool and actually civil they are

>>2590484
Plutonia >Episode 4 > Doom 2 > rest of Ultimate Doom >Doom 64 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I really don't like TNT

>>2591423
What is this shameful display of bad taste? Evilution is even better than Doom II.

>>2591423
>Doom 64 so low.
>Episode 4 so high.
>He rates the entirety of doom 1 minus episode 4 so low.

Absolute garbage taste.
End thyself immediately.

>>2591239
Nope, but I like it.

>>2591239
I like that at least they're pushing that the game has a good sense of difficulty.

>>2591423
>Doom 2 higher than Ultimate Doom, Doom 64 and TNT
You really have shit taste

I know the Quake info image is only about how to play it, so what are some good mods for it? I've heard of one that lets you have two super shotguns but I haven't been able to find it.

If you use the give weapons command in samsara you are given a bunch of super weapons from every character in slot 0.

Are these even obtainable normally? they seem to function fine, does anyone know how to give them to you individually?

Maybe i'm just late and retarded.

I mostly just want duke's secret deagle here without all the other weps clogging up my selection.

>>2591481

They're the weapons they get when you turn instagib mode on in DM, if I recall correctly.

>>2591481
They replace the railgun.

>>2590484
Final Doom (Plutonia. I don't remember TNT and haven't played it in centuries. I guess it's time to replay it) > Doom II > Ultimate Doom > Doom 64

Ultimate Doom is so so so fucking boring. Only the fourth episode is good.

>>2591423
Holy shit this guy gets it.

>>2591348

>missing all the new art

>>2591515
>Doom 64 the lowest

>>2591520
L-lewd.

Ultimate Doom > Doom II > Doom 64 >>>>>> Evilution >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Plutonia
Don't crucify me.

>>2591534
I think both plutiona and evilution have better level design than doom 2, and also doom 64 should be right after Ultimate.

>>2591538
Doom 64 isn't the best.

But it is spooky and I applaud it for that, I can see why people call it the real doom 3.

>>2591534

Plutonia is not for everyone, don't worry.

>>2591520

>>2591239
I hope that higher difficulty isn't just higher damage. Even monster spam is better than that.

>>2591520

Since when Imp-tan has giant tits?

>>2591481

They're the instagib weapons.

>>2591242
>OpenGL mode
Shows all the geometry without stretching or distorting it, as well as all colors you could ever want. Objects out in the bright are actually illuminated properly and objects in the dark are dark, regardless of distance.

>Software mode
If you use any kind of freelook the perspective stretches horrendously and anything that's just a few feet away bleeds away their palette as everything gets progressively darker the further away you are (regardless of if the room is well lit or pitch black). You are at the complete mercy of the ingame palette and if you want new colors you will have to replace existing colors and shades or suck on some washed out colorbled sprites.

I'm not saying that it's not still good in Software but there's absolutely advantages to OpenGL.

>>2590382

Exactly what I had in mind.

>>2591520
For those who don't know, this is Jessica Elwood.

Bizarrely, she recently did a drawing of her own take on Caco-bro's Archie that seriously fucking disturbs me

>>2591653
Lewd.

what's a good slaughtermap set? I want to die over and over. no, I'm not suicidal.

>>2591515
>Only the fourth episode is good.

It has the best aesthetics out of the id maps. But gameplay and progression is largely uneven.

>>2591790
Sunlust pretty much goes into fuck you territory in the later levels.

>>2591790
>I want to die over and over.

Swift Death

>>2591790
Phocas Island 1
Combat Shock
Combat Shock 2
Swim With the Whales

Forgive me for my lack of knowledge, but are there any advantages to using ZDoom over GZDoom?

>>2591815
If you're always downloading the newest dev builds as they come out, ZDoom has the newest features a bit before GZ has them.
That's it, I think.

>>2591815
Some people like software renderer. And while yes, You can change to that in GZDoom, some people have no interest in OpenGL whatsoever, and just prefer getting zdoom.

>>2591794
It's the only one out of the UD episodes that doesn't put me to sleep. Best gameplay by far from UD.

Btw people that like the original Doom the most are low skilled faggots that suck at video games.

>>2591821
>>2591823
Alright, thanks lads.

>>2591118
Unless you're trying to set official records, there's nothing seriously wrong with them. They make some situations easier than originally intended, but I always use freelook just because it seems silly to only be able to look and aim along the x-axis, and no autoaim because I want my bullets to hit whatever I'm aiming at, not whatever is closest.

>>2591118
Makes the game less engaging and combat not as interesting. It doesn't make that much difference in Doom and Doom II, but try community megawads and it's there.

>asking doom babies for opinions
top kek. /vr/oom is a shithouse and it really doesn't matter what these children say.

>>2591984
Thankfully it doesn't matter what you say either, nerd.

>>2591378
lol settle down, autist.

Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one who really enjoys the city maps in DOOM II, especially Downtown and Industrial Sector.
Although I find The Living End is the best map of the game.

>>2591849
Plutonia was far better than Episode 4, and more consistently balanced.

>>2592047
I'm not the biggest fan of Downtown or Suburbs, but I really quite enjoy Industrial Zone.

>>2592063

Plutonia + PSX soundtrack is just amazing. Beats about every other megawad out there

>>2592071
I always felt it was unfortunate that PSX Final Doom only used 6 levels from Plutonia.

I wonder what it'd be like if Mordeth actually gets released.

>>2592071

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OehZk8_8G48

Playing The Sewers to this actually makes it scary.

>>2591118
I personally only use it when playing gameplay mods, and zdoom maps that are designed with freelook in mind.

Otherwise, I play with only mouse turning, and autoaim.

>>2592043

I've spotted around 5 shiteaters so far calling out anyone for not liking this piece of shit iwad over the last two threads, it's literally nothing new at this point

they should fucking stop any second now though, it's not as if anyone was paying them any attention either

>>2592121
nah, people will never stop shitting on your garbage taste

>>2592121
There's nothing wrong with not liking Plutonia. But you can't expect no one to respond if you insist on using words like "garbage" and "shit", without anything else to say about it.

New doomer here
Just beat all 3 original episodes for the first time. Did it on UV in PrBoom+
I've also already played up through Map08 of Doom 2 on UV and I'm not really enjoying it. Should I stick with it or do other shit, like TNT?

>>2592170
Stick with it. At the very least you'll scratch it off your bucket list.
You should also try beating Episode 4 sometime to grow some DOOMed chest hair.

>>2592170

Doom 2's maps are pretty damn eh. Go as far as you can stomach, then move on.

>>2592076
a few weeks of excitement.
some "lols" in the cacowards blurbs for that year.
then finally a place in the responses to "recommend me a wad" posts.
time will tell whether it remains stalwart in those recommendation posts, or dwindles over time.

I always kinda wished Doom 2 had more levels in the style of 11, 17, 26, and 29. They had really good use of textures, IMO.

Can I find the "secret found" tune anywhere?
I wanna use it at notification tone.

>>2592196
>time will tell whether it remains stalwart in those recommendation posts, or dwindles over time.

this

I wonder how would it be received if it was finished and released around the same time as, say, Ultimate Doom II or BTSX ep3 though

I wouldn't know precisely why but I have a aching hunch it'd gather nothing more than probably the typical dedicated group of people praising the achitecture of some of the maps and complaining about the gameplay being lackluster overall

either that or it'd end up on the used up and done wadlist along demon eclipse

>>2592285
https://github.com/rheit/zdoom/blob/master/wadsrc/static/sounds/dssecret.flac

Does anyone else imagine like walking through an incredibly industrial doom level with this song?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Rypc3u0Crw

Can anyone tell me why the fuck people keep implementing strafe tilting into their mods without a proper option to disable it? I fucking hate anything that fucks with my camera and for some reason strafe tilting in Doom makes my camera freak out when I strafe. Either I'm unlucky or others are blind. Thank god most of the time I can remove it using Slade. Still fucking annoying.

Does the BTSX team hate Barons?

>>2592339
the "door with health" meme has become prevalent amongst todays overly analytical, battle-choreographing map designers.

>>2592343
Doesn't make it not-true.
How is battle-choreography bad anyway, it's in the original doom and every fps since.

>>2592332

if you're getting camera jerkiness everytime you strafe then yeah I suppose. it's completely unnoticeable if you cap the fps at vanilla doom's original internal clock, which is 35 iirc but anything above that completely screws up the effect.

some people have complained about it as well, it's supposed to be a very slight, smooth jerk to the sides of the screen. I have it loaded with smooth doom at all times and I have literally zero problems. Tei tenga incident also has it implemented and it works fine as well. I get what you mean though, it's kinda gimmicky and some others may not like it but it still looks fucking sexy as hell to me imo.

>>2592343
I just find it a bit interesting, considering Alien Vendetta's first 20 maps, which from what I've read was actually used as a baseline for what the BTSX maps should play like, used a lot more of them.

Excluding E3 and the secret levels, AV still uses well over a hundred barons on UV. maps 04, 06, 12, 16, and 19 use at least 5 of them, and maps 13, 14, 18, and 20 use over 10 of them. Absent in maps 1-3, 5, 7, and 10

Excluding the secret level, BTSX E1 has the UV amount in the 20s. Map12 is the only normal map to use at least 5. Absent in 1-4, 7, 9, 13, 14, 17, and 19. I can forgive this, as it is the beginning episode.

Same criteria as above, BTSX E2 has the total UV amount in the 50's. Map 25 is the only normal map to use more than 10 Barons, and maps 15, 20 and 22, are the only other levels to use at least 5 or more barons. Absent in maps 1-8, 10, 13, 17-19, 21, 24 and 26. This is way too many absentees, IMO.

>>2592351
>How is battle-choreography bad anyway
beyond a certain point it becomes "you must play this exactly the way i designed, or you will die immediately"

>>2592412
Not sure if any BTSX levels really fall into that.

What's the general consensus on Heretic?
I've just finished E4M7 (pretty cool and long level) and I'm having a lot of fun, despite the game being easy and random damage being annoying. I wish the enemies were more interesting, too.

Is Hexen better?

>>2592436

I love Heretic. Hexen is a different game though. Much more puzzle driven. A lot of people didn't like it because it was sorta marketed as the new Heretic. Hexen 2 was pretty cool also.

>>2592412
But that's just bad design, which happens much more often if there's no regard for how a fight will play out.
>>2592436
Heretic is cool. The level design is pretty great.

>>2592441
Hexen however suffered a lot from it's abysmal level design and "puzzles". If they actually where puzzles it'd be a different matter. The first map is by far the best..

>>2592469

Yeah, thinking about it, I will grant you that. The puzzle was really the map, and it did really feel like the pic.

It was the first FPS I can remember having a hub instead of a linear system like Doom.

>>2592405
>I just find it a bit interesting, considering Alien Vendetta's first 20 maps, which from what I've read was actually used as a baseline for what the BTSX maps should play like, used a lot more of them.
What? AV played nothing like BTSX, at least not Episode 1.

I don't know why, but I really can't get into TNT.

It doesn't grip me like Plutonia does, even if I try forcing myself to plow through it.

Am I going about it the wrong way or is it legitimately boring

>>2592484
If you look at the dwmegawad club thread for E2, theres a post from dew that says the original intention was to base the difficulty progression on AV's first 20 maps, back when it was originally going to be one 32 level megawad.


http://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1303009

>>2592485
While I do like some of the early and late levels, I'd say TNT was at its best during the middle (including the secret levels).

>>2592436
Heretic is more like Doom with a "french vanilla" covering. It has just enough aspects about it for people to consider it "different" from Doom

Hexen is a completely different ball game entirely and I prefer Heretic more

>>2592485
No, I think that's the general conciseness among most Doomers. TNT focuses more on the "hellish" aspects of Doom 1 & 2 and kind of distances itself from science-fiction homages that the series is known for, or at least that's my personal take on it

It's time to kick ass and kick ass
and i'm all outta kick ass

>>2592484
While not exactly the same, I wouldn't say BTSX E1's gameplay is that far off from some of the earlier levels in AV.

Though BTSX doesn't only take influence from AV. The original BTSX thread also claims influence from Quake 2, Doom 64, Darkening E2, Suspended in Dusk, and The Plutonia Experiment

>>2592551
>TNT focuses more on the "hellish" aspects of Doom 1 & 2 and kind of distances itself from science-fiction homages that the series is known for, or at least that's my personal take on it

Kinda interesting thought there, considering TNT had the most Sci-fi plot out of the iwads, alongside the most techbases. If anything, Plutonia was the most hellish.

gimme some good wads i can play with chocolate doom

>>2592485
I think I may be one of the few people to say this but for me it was the other way around

plutonia was just pretty meh overall and left some pretty shit taste in my mouth must be all that brown, the damn things literally flooded with the same fucking brick/vine textures over and over again

TNT just has better level design, better progression and overall superior pacing over plutonia imo

also, that fucking music

all of my Unf

>>2592568
Well, I'll be honest, I haven't really played all that much of TNT in comparison to Plutonia

>>2592573
Demonfear
Dimensions of Time
Interception
Marswar
Rebirth
Reverie
Talosian Incident
TVR!

Has anyone here tried Sunlust? It's really difficult, I can't get through the second map in UV

>>2592560
uhhh....

What am I standing on?

>>2592320
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MdcVdL2kIY
Aphex Twin is GOAT doom music

>>2592604
Anything that involves Ribbiks or Dannebubinga means UV is the "fuck you" difficulty.

>>2592606
>First-person recliner

http://a.uguu.se/mwaqgd_pl06u654.lmp

>>2592604
Sunlust is great but I literally can't finish MAP05 because the exit stays blocked, even after I've killed everything and flipped all the switches.
Is it a bug or am I just an idiot for missing something?

>>2592713
The map is designed around grabbing amour bonuses off pedestals.

I've spent YEARS looking for a certain WAD I played really long ago, I can't remember it's name no matter how hard I try and even with the details of the maps I can't find it.

Each level was themed after a different videogame, sometimes mimicking even the map structure and it had music accordingly.

The only levels I can remember from it are one based on Megaman X, the stage looked like a futuristic base and the music was either Spark Mandrill's theme or the Intro Stage theme.

Another level was directly based on Castlevania: Circle of the Moon, even the map had the shape of the map of that game, with perfect rectangle rooms.

>>2592721
I thought that map was tons of fun, minus the chain gunners.

>>2592751
What difficulty were you playing?

>>2592762
UV, there were a few at the start while surrounded by agitation.

>>2592339
I hate them being used incorrectly. Which is pretty much every single time a baron has been placed in Doom. You could replace them with a Mancubus or an Arachnotron most of the time and the map would be improved.

It's a very niche monster. It's not threatening, it takes too long to kill and it's generally boring to fight. It has one use. A deterrent. It's the bullet shield. That's it. Same goes for hell knights.

More over it's a bullet shield you want to only be a moderate to low threat to the player. It's the bullet shield you use when a Mancubus would add too much damage to the fight.

Like say you have a teleporter and you want monsters to attack the player while he has to get into the teleporter. Instead of putting a door blocking the teleporter forcing the player to wait for it to open you want it to be a monster, but you don't want the monster to be the primary threat you want it to just be something the player has to think about kind of. You put a baron there. It has enough health to hold the player up and force them to fight the other monsters, but it's not threatening enough to force the player to do more than some mindful side or back dodging.

>>2592405
AV's SCOPE (not gameplay) was some of the inspiration.

>>2592768
>AV's SCOPE (not gameplay) was some of the inspiration.
see >>2592514

And plenty of maps in E2 felt pretty AV-ish with the gameplay to me.

>>2592767
I hope you're good, then. The later levels are difficult to the point that the author's recommend not going for UV unless you're an adept slaughtermap player.

>>2592771
Saying "it should roughly be as hard as X" is not saying "it should emulate X".

>>2592779
I already restarded on HMP, while I like the map design, I'm not a fan of slaughterfests.

>>2592768
>AV's SCOPE (not gameplay) was some of the inspiration.

I see. Though I still found plenty of maps in E2 played similarly to AV.

>>2592780
I made that retarded post without even realising you were Tarns. Sorry.

>>2592768
The best way to use them imho is on narrow catwalks along with other monsters on the sides or in the air. Should be just wide enough to maneouver past them if they're not in the middle.

another fact that some of you might not know, the bruiser family share the same projectile with the same damage values, which doesn't help the baron at all.

>>2592768
see this is what i mean by overly analytical modern mappers.
forget "optimal monster placement", sometimes you just want to put a baron in because they look damn cool.

>>2592821
Someone make a megawad of 32 maps of baron fights.

>>2592825

I'd play it for sure, as long as the architecture was cool

>>2592780
Will BTSX E3 have any normal maps that exceed the AV 1-20 difficulty?

>>2592339
I more hate it when mappers hate Spider Masterminds, which thankfully isn't really that much of a thing anymore.

>>2592867
They're hard to use beyond "here's a big room with a single spider, kill it lol". There's no dodging or any sort of tactics involved, and you can't place them in interesting ways because they're fucking huge.

>>2592879
>>2592867
That said I think they're cool as hell, but I understand the reluctance to use them.

>>2592791
Romero's E4 maps use barons really well for that reason.

>>2592821
>forget "optimal monster placement", sometimes you just want to put a baron in because they look damn cool.
It's not about "optimal" monster placement, it's about fun. Barons aren't fun. They're an extended circle strafe.

Also "Optimal" monster placement isn't even a thing, the best monster placement is modular and organic so that the gameplay flows and feels spontaneous and not overly manufactured. When I played through Maximum Doom the best placed monsters were the randomly placed Archviles in the conversion maps precisely because they were not planned around. You don't get that with Barons. You get a monster that's extremely easy to corral and marginalize.

>>2592840
IDK the difficulty of a map from when it's made for BTSX and when the BTSX episode is actually released wildly varies. It'll be harder than E2 I'll say that.

This sort of shit is why Tarnsman's maps (and, by extension, the maps of people who subscribe to his newsletter) are so boring and samey. We get it! You've perfected Doom mapping down to a science! Yet another totally abstract, highly interconnected map with meticulously crafted enemy encounters! I can't even detect a hint of authorial personality underneath the slatherings of Proper Doom Mapping, this is great!

>>2590157
>>2590173
KNIZD's Phobos Anomaly was amazing, except for the final boss and ridiculous waves of enemies (including a type of enemy that wasn't seen in any other part of the game).
The way the scenery and layout kept changing with visual and sound effects reflected well how it was a military base / laboratory being affected by a demonic spacial anomaly.

>>2592879
>>2592881
I've seen more mappers actually use them nowadays than in the 90's, though.

>>2592901
>It's not about "optimal" monster placement, it's about fun. Barons aren't fun. They're an extended circle strafe.
who are you to decide what is fun. i am quite well entertained by disposing of barons with sufficiently fast weapons (i.e. not the single shotgun, ~15 shells does wear on somewhat)

>>2592932
>meticulously crafted enemy encounters
I love when people assume this considering that 90% of my monster placement is "yeah I guess that sounds good I'll just shit some of those there" and then playing the map to see if I have fun playing it. I don't like Barons BECAUSE THEY'RE BORING TO FIGHT not because they don't fit into some high level equation where I magically calculate monster attack vectors and come up with the "perfect monster placement" formula.

But you're right, strafe dodging those slow baron fireballs in a uninteresting corridor is just what Doom is all about. Why bother having a gourmet stake? It's too well crafted. McDonalds? That's what food is really about. There isn't too much thought put into it.

>>2592821
They may look cool but they really are boring as fuck to fight. They're just meatsponges, they feel more like Quake monsters in that sense.
>>2592947
>who are you to decide what is fun.
He's giving you his opinion, and why he decided not to really use them in BTSX

>>2592949
>Why bother having a gourmet stake? It's too well crafted. McDonalds? That's what food is really about. There isn't too much thought put into it.
nice strawman.

>>2592947
>who are you to decide what is fun.
If the author of a map shouldn't be deciding what is fun, then who should?

You guys are bitching about not enough authorial personality showing in maps, but then telling authors to change their preferences to suit what you want. Make your own damn maps the way you want them and leave Britney alone.

>>2592954
>He's giving you his opinion
it didn't look like an opinion to me. it looked like a normative statement. an opinion generally starts with "I think" or words to that effect

>>2592960
>If the author of a map shouldn't be deciding what is fun, then who should?
certainly not some loudmouth blowhard noted for his arrogant talking down to new mappers and bullying them into following his arbitrary "rules".

>>2592961
I think most posts on here are people stating their opinions without special disclaimers, though?

And Barons really are literally just imps that take a longer time to kill. No amount of "IMO" disclaimers is going to change that.

>>2592961
>an opinion generally starts with "I think" or words to that effect

Most people understand that in a conversation about a subjective topic, particularly one regarding entertainment that you don't have to preface everything with "I think" and "in my opinion" because it's a waste of time. It's a subjective discussion.

But for the record. My opinion is right. Your opinion is wrong and the things you like are bad and you should feel bad about liking them. You're also probably a member of the National Socialist Party and hate Christmas and puppies.

>>2592961
Putting "I think", "IMO", etc. gets silly after a while, it's assumed the reader understands how opinions work

*plays map where the author actually had an high-level idea for the map, not just Now That's What I Call Spaces To Fight In Vol. 18587* *sees something not particularly well-executed* THIS! THIIIISS

>>2592962
stop talking about yourself lol.

please find me the episode where tarnsman kicks sand in new-mapper-chan's eyes for using barons.

>>2592967
speaking of strawmans, lol. but a poorly-executed idea is still poor, kind of like your posting right now

>>2592867
I've always thought the Cyberdemon and Spider Mastermind were very uninteresting and difficult to place correctly.
Iron Liches and Maulotaurs (from Heretic) on the other hand are pretty fun to fight and can be placed in specific arenas for really cool encounters, especially the Maulotaur.

>>2592970
oh great the peanut gallery from #twid is here. in before the snivelling brown-noser CSonicGo posts it on @doom_txt.
>>2592972
"much like your posting"! the goons are here!

>>2592967
>plays map where the author actually had an high-level idea for the map

Please tell me what glorious high-level ideas I regularly shit on. In fact I generally praise levels with actual ideas.

Sector plays like dogshit but I pimp that map every chance I get because the idea is so cool, hell most of Xaser's work is full of "rule breaking" shit and he's one of my favorite mappers because he makes interesting maps.

Kassman's map 21 in CC4 is a series of boxes with shit in the middle of them. I love that map. It's theme and setting are more than enough to make up for anything else in it.

That's the only "rule" for mapping, that your map is fun. Be it fun because of really good gameplay or fun because it's really interesting and inventive or fun just because it tickles the player in the right way.

Shit like DTS-T is not "high-level idea" mapping, it's bad mapping. There might have been an idea for a good map, but there wasn't anything resembling a good map in DTS-T. Hallway crawls where I hold down mouse 1 for 10 hours is not "high-level idea mapping".

>>2592974
Personal-attack posts with no substance are not a substitute for evidence or counterarguments

>>2592932
Memfis pls. You forgot to ask for a ban here.

>>2592932
Memfis? Is that you?

>>2592901
>Romero's E4 maps use barons really well for that reason.
You're right, I'd kind of forgotten about that. I thought I came up with for the (only, not that good) map I made, but Perfect Hatred probably inspired me.

I want Doomworld to leave. This isn't your dedicated shitflinging thread. Go settle it in Doom.

>>2592973
Cyberdemons aren't that bad. They're great for stopping the play from hugging alcoves or corners in medium-sized rooms for example, or a dickish mapmaker could go all "swim with the whales" with them.

Why is everyone talking about barons like you always fight them 1 on 1 in a hallway?

I like to use barons in a group of monsters to provide a more constant threat that can't be as easily dispatched as other monsters. Plus, not using barons can detract from other mods that replace barons with something even better; like how GMOTA handles barons.

GMOTA barons, if there's 3 or more, I fear more than cyberdemons, but if someone can't find a way to make barons interesting then there's no need for them to use them because it'll just result in a boring encounter.

>>2592994
link to your map?

>>2593003
It's in one of the pastebins but I don't recommend it. It's got two or three nice ideas but overall not worth your time.

Original uaclabs.wad?

I only find the modified Doomworld version.

>>2593013

We don't know, or care.

Crouching demon, hidden pipe bomb!

>>2593013
There's an original version?

Hell Revealed sucks. Boring level design and even more boring 'aesthetic'. It's just like a big bunch of bland levels and not much else. I'm on map 17 and am thoroughly bored out of my face. This is the first unofficial megawad I've played (out of Scythe 1&2, Plutonia 2, Alien Vendetta, BTSXE1) that I've found boring. Why is this shit supposed to be considered good? It does have some nice gameplay here and there but nothing mindblowing, and out of all the other megawads mentioned it's not a big deal compared to them in any way.

>>2593031
>Why is this shit supposed to be considered good? It does have some nice gameplay
it is a mystery

>>2593031
>play HR after playing a bunch of wads made after it that were undoubtedly inspired by it consciously or not
>hurr it sucks why is it considered good
Next you'll tell me all about how Wolfenstein 3D is shit because you played Doom first.

>>2593035
Thanks for cutting the sentence short fuckface.

>>2593038
But Wolfenstein is shit faggot.

>>2593042
>Thanks
you're welcome

>>2593045
Fuck off you ugly retard.

>>2593031
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SeinfeldIsUnfunny

>>2593049

>>2593013
>>2593019
>Doomworld's 10 Years of Doom - Top Ten Infamous WADs
>----------------------------------------------------
>
>For historical (and slightly creepy) purposes this is a slightly modified
>version of Eric Harris' map UACLABS.WAD. His original WAD contained unmodified
>id sprites, so I removed those. In order to play this you'll need either a
>source port that allows sprites in a PWAD (most do by now, Legacy, ZDoom, Boom,
>Eternity etc etc) or if you want to play it with doom2.exe you'll need Deutex
>or a similar tool to append all the IWAD sprites.

unmodified iwad sprites removed. fair enough, i suggest you are not missing much.

>>2593046
nah, get owned, kid

>>2592996
Nope.

>>2593058
Stay ugly you ugly fuck :)

I don't post normally, I'm just dropping in to say I find your monster placement talk / theorycraft really interesting.

I've been playing about with the map editors for a while now but finished a level yet, just trying out areas. So it's really interesting to hear any kind of level design commentary.

>>2593060
lol k

>>2593064
hahaha unloved ugly fuck :)

>>2593070
nah

Opinions of baron placement in Caged (pl04) ?

>>2593091
It's great. Caged is an amazing level.

>>2589775
I know that someone posted a link to the sequal, Firefly, on here. Maybe you could go through the archives and get that.

>>2593062
There's a nice article written about the subject but I can't manage to find it. What even makes monster combat role/placement a thing is that most but not all doom monsters handle in a pretty unique way relative to each other, and many of them have special gimmicks.

For example archviles force you to take cover while mancubi force you to keep moving, so the player has to keep track of two things at once. Demons, hell knights and barons don't really pose that much of a threat, but they can body block you and deny you mobility and cover from enemies more likely to actually hurt you.

Barons in DooM always reminded me of Zombies in Half-Life, especially in sequel.
they both have attacks that are piss-easy to dodge. and they both are a waste of ammo.
and until there is a big group blocking your progress, you can just run past them and dont have to worry about them unless you gotta backtrack.

a cyberdemon with an entourage of barons can be interesting. the cyberdemon will always fire straight at you, but may infight with its entourage, who are robust enough to take a few hits. the infighting will lead to "loose rockets" flying around the arena in directions you are not expecting.

What will Back To Saturn X' E3's theme be?

>>2593124
porn

>>2593124
Purple.

>>2593095
Really? It's one of my least favorite levels in Plutonia.

>>2593124
well it's name is the Rusty Time Machine, so i guess industrial? like a purple version of UAC ultra

>>2593175
>it's
"its", sorry, no apostrophe

>>2593115
It's why they made Hell Knights in the first place. Same power, yet at half the health so they dont feel like a chore to kill a single one.

>>2593095
why do you like it so much
>>2593163
why do you not like it

personally i could do without the spectres in the sewage or whatever it is.

and i keep forgetting where to go next

http://a.uguu.se/gfukmp_pl04u600.lmp

>>2593000

You like the Hellfos? They're one of my favorite monsters I've added

>>2593192
i think the most obvious gap in doom's monster tier is a medium robustness enemy that does not fly. as shown by that e4 has too many barons in it. the first time i did e4m2 i thought a lot of the barons on it would have been better as "non flying cacodemons" (flying ones of course would not stay in place and act as path blockers)

>>2593208
Hey now that you're here, which mapset should I first play gmota with?

So apparently my Ed_C used limited megatexturing when he made putrefier. I think that's fucking genius and I'll definately try it out some day soon.

>>2593252
I'd never thought of using it to fake "baked" lighting like this

Daily reminder Brutal Doom is the best Doom mod ever made, and even Romero spoke about it.

>>2593254
BTSX2 does something like that.

>>2593226

I uh, I haven't played many mapsets because I'm a shitter.

But I'm really fond of Scythe 1 and 2, sorry I'm kinda useless there.

Has Tarnsman ever released any wads? I want to see what his maps are like since he always has such intense "reviews"

>>2593257
Agreed. People be mad jelly.

>>2593175

I hope it diverges a bit into it and we get to see some kind of gothic wasteland or something similar instead of it just being Pittsburg

>>2593204
how do you make webms like this?

I like the map's gameplay and level design. It's engaging as fuck, puts your right in the centre and you have to battle your way out of it. Great map, never a dull moment.

>>2593257
>>2593295
Here is the reply you want.

>>2593175

I hope it diverges a bit into it and we get to see some kind of gothic wasteland or something similar instead of it just being Pittsburgh.

>>2593305

>>2593309
Two baiters don't make a right.

>>2593309

I do have different browsers when I need to reply to myself, too

>>2593309
Sure.

>>2593310
jelly naysayers don't make it wrong

>>2593313
>>2593314
whatever helps you sleep m8s

won't change the fact that BD is king of mods

>>2593315

>>2593319
Sure.

>>2593320
I love this meem

>>2593321
Sure.

I don't care if i am a robot or not, give me the fucking cigarettes

>>2593226
>>2593268
>Scythe 1 and 2
Fuck that noise. You know what you should play with GMOTA? Deus Vult II. That shit will put hair on your balls and other squamous subcutaneous areas. Plus, it looks really good and is fun as fuck.

Maybe it's because I went from DVII to Scythe 2, but Scythe 2 felt boring compared to DVII.

>>2593208
Yes, I like them. They are tough, dangerous, and have a variety of dick attacks; a huge improvement upon the baron.

>>2593334
>Maybe it's because I went from DVII to Scythe 2, but Scythe 2 felt boring compared to DVII.
Not the same guy, but every Doom megawad I've played after Scythe 1&2 felt boring. Scythe 2 was my first unofficial megawad and it blew me away. Afterwards I played AV and thought it was really good but not as good as Scythe 2. I then tried Plutonia 2 and again I thought it was very good, but nowhere near as good as Scythe 2. I then tried the first Scythe and sure enough it became my second favourite after Scythe 2, and those two remain my faves.

I'll try out DVII but I bet it won't be as good m8 :)

>>2592392
Guess my 144Hz monitor makes it even worse. Still, I don't understand the appeal of that effect.

>>2593342
Funny, I feel the exact opposite. I can't get into either Scythe, I have no idea why. I've played and loved tons of other mapsets, but the Scythes just don't do it for me.

>>2593349
I think the appeal is that it makes the moment feel somewhat faster to the brain. That's kind of my view on it when I saw it in Quake since relatively Ranger moves a bit slower than Doomguy but feels like he's just as quick on the draw.

>>2593362
nice toaster

>>2593362

It's the same general idea as in animation, when you want to make a moment, let's say a punch, have more impact and feel more powerful, the frames in the middle are cut out.
That way the actual motion feels faster because there's less actual movement in it, so the punch goes from wind up swing to hitting faster.

>>2593362
Saved that WebM for great justice.

>>2593379
We're on /vr/. Who cares?

>>2593393

He does, apparently.

>>2593342
>>2593334
I played through Scythe 2 first, found it ok, then played through Deus Vult II and was blown away. Then I went back to Scythe 2 and just found it rather plain. It's not that it was bad, I just have more fun playing through my own levels than Scythe 2.

>>2593405
Stop sucking your own dick faggot. Not that it's really the guy that made DVII anyway.

>>2593402
He's a moron.

>>2593252
>>2593254
I'm actually surprised that baking textures for doom aint getting popularity yet. it looks good and caters to artfags.
on top of that blender is free, so anyone could attempt it

>>2593423
How is blender involved in texture baking?

>>2593445
well you can do it in blender
gzdoom builder allows exporting your geometry to obj files, then you can make high-poly version of level with all the fancy details, and then just bake everything into textures to be used on low poly version inside editor

Are there any mods like Brutal Doom that aren't exactly like Brutal Doom? Like for example no metal music, no middle fingers, it retains the difficulty of the classic dooms?

>>2593480
brutal doom: sperg edition

>>2593480
>no metal music
Brutal Doom doesn't change any music.

>>2590707
>"Thy" is the old English version of the French "Tu"

No. It's a natively germanic word stemming, in early modern english, from old english "thu" (spelled with the thorn character rather than th), meaning "you".

Ultimately, it comes from proto-germanic "thinaz" (again, with thorn), which makes it a cognate with other germanic "you" words, like german "dein, du", or norwegian "din, du".

It's related to french/romance "tu" only tenuously/"farther up the tree". Both ultimately derive from proto-indo-european "tuh", but to say "thy" is directly related to french "tu" is incorrect. It's more closely related to it's germanic cousins.

>>2593480
Accessories To Murder.
Has a much cleaner and much more consistent art style as well.

I recommend you play with the NC-Hud addon made specifically for AtM, as I personally find the helmet style HUD which comes with the mod obtrusive and weird.

>>2593467
>gzdoom builder allows exporting your geometry to obj files
Damn, I had no idea you could do that.
>then you can make high-poly version of level with all the fancy details, and then just bake everything into textures to be used on low poly version inside editor
That's brilliant. Can selections be exported or only entire maps?

>>2592469
>Playing Hexen for first time
>Do the first "hubworld" fine, probably because I played the same map in Hammerwatch so I understood the concept

>2nd hubworld i keep getting lost
When I get a key, I know to go to the door it opens. but when i press a button and "something happens", i just cant frigging find it.

>>2593175
>rusty time machine
that could be a ton of things...
either dirty industrial stuff, alternate universe/history(think blood dragon or wolf TNO)
or maybe far away in the future, like planet of the apes

>>2593480
Try smooth doom with all effects and stuff turned on and some weapon soundpack on top of that.

Then there's always Project: MSX of course, but there's little Doom left in it (this is not a bad thing mind you)

Man I love Shivers and the work he does. But christ he's bad when it comes to doing widescreen friendly weapons.

It's gonna be a bitch fixing this.

early weapon unfinished gonna add more to it and a sick ass melee attack, etc etc etc

I might make the balls have a weak homing effect after traveling a set distance so they have use in BIG areas

>>2593509
>2nd hubworld i keep getting lost
>When I get a key, I know to go to the door it opens. but when i press a button and "something happens", i just cant frigging find it.
That's pretty much what the rest of the game is.

>>2593529
the expansion doesnt get better?

>>2593506
I think you can export single sectors, not sure tho
personally I import OBJ, then detach rooms into separate objects that I work on independly.
also using 3ds max, no idea how workflow goes on blender, but for me its map > max import > split map > add detail > add lights > add normal maps when I am too lazy to use geometry > add fancy shit like occlusion and maybe some specular > render textures > pack shit into pk3 > use it in original map
original map you have imported is good as projection target

>>2593541
Thanks a ton for introducing me to this stuff.

How much of a nightmare is it to keep track of all the linedefs and what part of the prerendered texture(s) belong on which?

>>2593329
You stuck with placeholder sprites too?

>>2593558
Not really, that's just an old fork of ww-gzmecha edited by Terminus.

>>2593480

Smooth Doom is literally that. With people also taking it as Doom 2.0 included.

>>2593570
>smooth doom is doom 2.0
If set to only use the extra animation frames for guns and monsters, I can't say I really disagree.

>>2593534
No, the expansion is 60 more maps which are in much the same vein.

If you can't get into the game after the second hub, you're not going to enjoy it. I played through all of Hexen and the expansion, and I wish I hadn't because they're really not that fun.

>>2593553
it aint bad actually
just dont fuck up unwrapping and you will be fine.
also you gotta use photoshop/gimp to join/split textures properly and also you should keep a consistent scale.
wish I wasn't away from home, would post some pics.

lets say you have octagonal room, on the floor you got cobble texture and in the middle of the room there is a torch.
you could generate a normal map from your base texture in any program thats capable of doing that, then make a material in max/blender, and then put a light where torch is. when you bake textures, light will properly shade the floor according to the normal map of the cobbles. you can then open up the baked floor texture in photoshop, split it into 4 equal parts, and then pack them in slade.

I have mentioned earlier that original map is good as projection target. and for beginners its pretty much a must. if you use a different shape, you may get unexpected results such as warped textures or broken perspective.

and a tip, dont jump into max/maya/blender straight away and think that you will learn it overnight. because you will fucking fail. and from your failures you will eventually learn how to make good stuff.

>>2593578
It's ridiculous. I swear I covered every wall and surface.
All I know is I need a swamp key and one of the level is still blocked off.
I've looked everywhere.

I swear there's probably a dang button behind a statue I dont see