/vr/ - Retro Games

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yu_Suzuki#Games_developed

Perfect example of a unique, different, weird, type of game Sega would make that people either loved or didn't get.

I miss the old Sega.

Honorable mentions: Space Harrier, Comic Zone, and Jet Set Radio

>>2544183
people are gonna name the megadrive stuff
but honestly when I think sega I think arcades. Or bankruptcy.

Sonic

>>2544210
That and Burning Rangers really are the last great ones.
-Unique gameplay
-went the next mile by translating songs and adding voice overs.
The games were just high quality all around.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMyHJhe2ggM

>>2544226
Always one of you autists in every thread.

>>2544183
Virtua Fighter 2
After Burner arcade cab
Golden Axe and all the other beat em ups (but mostly GA)
Virtua Cop
the first Alex Kidd game

>>2544245
Yes! Forgot about BR. That game screams "Made by Sega".

obviously

Real talk:
Anybody who thinks that any other game that isn't a sonic game defines Sega, is an autistic living in their own world. Yes, there are better games made by Sega, but Sonic is obviously their defining series, deal with it.

OP here.

The House of the Dead seres and Rent-A-Hero for me.

>>2544493
Sonic is the game that ultimately killed SEGA.

Yes the hardware made them bankrupt but Sonic made fans distrust them. Sonic made SEGA a laughable company whose only achievements are how bad their games are.

Sonic only defines SEGA if you hate them.

That's retarded, that's like if Leonardo da vinci suffered huge brain damage one day, and kept drawing terrible pictures of the Mona Lisa, and you kept blaming the Mona Lisa for killing his reputation.

Simultaneously of its time and yet ahead.

>>2544512
meant to reply to this guy.
>>2544521
me

>>2544521
If he went retarded we wouldn't be talking about him today.

>>2544529
>What is a fictitious example.

>>2544539
And there's the memetext. Good argument.

>>2544542
Okay, have fun being wrong.

>>2544550
You think Sonic is still amazing?

>>2544552
That's.Not.The.Fucking.Point.You.Dense.Motherfucker.

>>2544563
That is actually the point, dumbass.

You say Sonic and people don't think of quality anymore.

>>2544568
>>2544183
"Sega games that define Sega"
>>2544493(me)
"Yes, there are better games made by Sega, but Sonic is obviously their defining series, deal with it."

Please try to piece together what these things mean before replying and making an ass of yourself.

Anything made by Yu Suzuki
Virtual On
Golden Axe
Fantasy Zone
JSR
Galaxy Force II
Revenge of Shinobi
SOR 2
Virtua Tennis
HoTD
Phantasy Star series
NIGHTS

>>2544576
If you want to define SEGA as the shit company they are now then good job.

The arcade games like After Burner are what made SEGA.

Unless you're a casual retard or from /v/ there's a shitload more console games that aren't fucking Sonic from SEGA that are amazing games.

But drooling fucking retards like yourself just spout "Oh man that Sonic game I love SEGA!".

Fuck off.

Anything with Virtua on the title is true SEGA blue.

>>2544251
Why the hate? You don't have to be an autist to know that Sonic is a game that defines Sega as a brand.

>mfw fellow segatards don't get along because of Sonic

Top Skater and Crazy Taxi (Talking arcade not DC). Both a shit ton of fun. Both had that SEGA touch. Top Skater board was well done too.

>>2544584
>Not mentioning After Burner

>>2544529
We would if he'd painted the Mona Lisa first.
Consider Syd Barrett.

Not one of you guys mentioned Daytona USA? I'm disappointed. Also, House of the Dead and Crazy Taxi are quintessential SEGA games, to me.

>>2544781
>no after burner
>after burner was made by Yu Suzuki
Not wanting to sound like a dick but i did mention it. It's cool tho mang

>>2544807
Guy made a bit more than just the "Mono Lisa".

>>2544183

>>2544834
Speaking of Sega racing, I just played some Virtua Racing. Great fun, and runs really smooth on Mame.

Mortal Kombat. Not the game per say but the fact they left all the blood and gore in it when Nintendo wouldn't. Splatterhouse for almost same reason. Sega wasn't afraid to be the cooler older brother.

They really were the best, weren't they?

>>2544868
>Seaman

>>2544868
Sega really did have a lot of great IP

Just a shame they either didn't use them or mismanaged them so badly.

>>2544868

one of the best japanese developers for sure

>not baku baku on the list

>>2544245
"Unique" is the best word for it.

golden axe, panzer dragoon, shining force, shinobi, alex kidd... there are so many more than nintendo and yet all of these are dead forever. pretty sad tbh

Virtua Fighter series

>incredible amount of depth
>still manages to be easy to get into
>pioneered new technology

>>2544868
This is legendary, and not even complete. Sega really drove the industry to the top back then.

>>2545071
Makes it even more tragic that most modern gamers only know them as the guys who make Sonic.

>>2545018
>>2545060
This.

Lots of people complain about not getting another FZero, Star Fox, Mega Man, and etc when a large amount of great Sega IPs were one and dones or have no shot of ever having another sequel again.

>>2544868
SEGA is the only company that has enough IPs and characters that could possibly compete with Nintendo.

The best console would be if Nintendo and SEGA made a joint console Try to imagine a next gen console, that had exclusive rights to all SEGA and Nintendo IPs.

It's about the only way we'd ever see some of those franchises again, such as Jet Set Radio, Skies of Arcadia, Valkyria Chronicles, Ristar, and so many others.

Oh well, hopefully Shenmue 3 will be a roaring success and we get more Sega IP's being rereleased. I wish to god they'd stop churning out shitty sonic games.

>>2545164
Pretty much no-one who worked on the old classics works at SEGA any more. Even Yu Suzuki had to leave and form his own company to get shit done. It's nothing but broken Sonic games and mobile shit from here on out. And maybe a Yakuza every now and then if we're lucky.

>>2545090
Makes sense. A lot of post-2K kids only grew up with Nintendo, which managed to heavily market its NES legacy titles as historical landmarks to them. While true for some, a lot of that means they're re-writing History (damaging not only to Sega's legacy), and disregarding most anything that was the beginning of full-scale 3D (AM#2 was already hard at work on this, when the SuperNES barely even existed).

>>2545164
Panzer Dragoon Saga would be sweet. It may be short, it may not exactly hold up well compared to modern (J)RPGs, but still is very enjoyable. I'd love a version with further draw distances and less slowdowns - and maybe with a Jean Giraud-esque cellshading filter?

>>2545245
Best dev team there ever was bar none. And that's a factopinion

>>2544834
Thank God you did mention Daytona USA - this was maybe the first time anyone got to play eight way driving multiplayer. And yes their other arcade hits are worth mentioning

Daytona - Let's go all the way!

>>2544521
There's a reason why they excluded Sonic from this cross-over.

>>2545349
You mean besides the fact Sonic and friends wouldn't lend themselves very well to an SRPG?

>>2545363
Yeah man, just like how Ulala, Akira, and Bruno don't.

>>2545349
Yeah, Sonic's not in because he's still in mass produced games. That game just a graveyard for series that won't get anymore games to keep the fans quiet.

>>2545031
Trying to say Burning Rangers is bad?

No Scud Racer? You really should get out more, /vr/.

That's the one. Swing back to 97 or whatever the hell that was, when 3d was muddy and ugly and you're walking in a mall and suddenly there's a cab with shit that makes your brain explode. Vibrant colours, flashy design, that speeeeeeeeeeeeeed... it's got to be one of the prettiest things I'd ever seen. Didn't even need to see the logo to know what that was. But I checked anyway. Sure enough, it was Sega's.

>>2545717
>SCUD Race doesn't get a Dreamcast port
>fucking 18-Wheeler does

t-thanks Sega...

>>2545694
Burning Rangers is a fucking joke. It's only special because it was made by Sonic Team, and had a unique solution for 3d transparency.

If you play the game you'll notice that the graphics shake nonstop as if the landscape was cardboard falling apart, the controls are ass, the camera is ass, the framerate is not too spectacular (especially for an action game), and the game is very short.

>>2544183
jet set radio
panzer dragoon
shenmue
nights

>>2545747
I hated it at first but after an hour or so I grew to love it. If you think it controls bad you're just a pleb, sorry.

>>2545747
>Burning Rangers is a fucking joke
The game is fun. I love it.
>If you play the game you'll notice that the graphics shake nonstop as if the landscape was cardboard falling apart
Welcome to 3d graphics not on the N64. First time playing these consoles?
>the controls are ass
Bullshit. The controls are pretty great and it's easy to jump/side jump.
>the camera is ass
That's in particular bullshit. The camera auto follows well and the 45degree shifts work well.
>the framerate is not too spectacular (especially for an action game)
Above average for games at the time.
>and the game is very short.
It's fine.

People that hate the game probably hate most of 5th generation.

>>2545741
the worst part of all is that they had this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irUqYGF0AG0

and then decide against actually porting it, because sega had a group of the most talented people in the industry but a bunch of brainless assholes calling the shots.

>>2545192
there's not enough processing power in the world to emulate Jean Giraud's style through cel shading.

>>2545762
I haven't played Burning Rangers, but I've seen some clips. Your retorts basically amounts to:
>the game is fun because it's fun
and
>you're stupid

If you think Burning Rangers is the best 3D the Saturn can do, I think you haven't played many 5th generation games. Daytona CCE, for example, blows it away.

>>2545192
Sadly the source code is long gone.
Considering modern Sega, I'd say the best we can hope for is an official emulated version.

>>2545780
>I haven't played Burning Rangers, but I've seen some clips.
Watched some eceleb play huh kid?

Nowhere did I say it was the best 3d SEGA could do. It's still an amazing game.

You comment on the controls and camera without even playing the game. Please fuck off back to /v/ and don't come back. They like to talk about games that they "played" by watching some youtuber/streamer play them.

>>2545780
>but I've seen some clips
I value your opinion

>>2545790
>>2545794
If you memesters bothered to read my post instead of becoming emotional over Sega's most mediocre dev team, you would see I was strictly critiquing the visuals.

>>2545818
>memesters
Please just go. You commented on the controls and camera and said they were ass.

>>2545821
That wasn't me.
You might need to take a breather from 4chan, dude.

Fantasy zone.

>>2545827
So you're arguing for someone else's retarded argument? Good job.

>>2545717
I'd kill someone for XBLA/PSN/Steam ports of Scud Race and/or Daytona 2.

>>2545878
Has Sega Super GT ever been ported to anything? That's another one I'd like to play at home.

Rise from your grave.

>>2544850
>there will never be a proper sequel to Tides of Time
Why even live?

>>2547225
They did make a 3d Ecco on DC and PS2. Its kinda fun.

>>2547143

Day I brought this box home was one of the happiest of my life. Played the fucking shit out of it.

>>2545762
There's nothing fun about it. It's a pointless game and if it didn't exist nothing of value would be lost.

>controls are pretty great
They're abominable. They lack any sort of precision.
>the camera follows well
It doesn't. It can barely follow the character most of the time.
>Above average for games at the time
Literally a lie. The framerate is pathetic and for the most part it chugs alone.
>it's fine that the game, from 1998, when Final Fantasy VII and Gran Turismo were already out, is short.
Delusion, thy name is you.

Anyone who likes this game is kidding themselves; same with Nights and Phantasy Star Online. They're all objectively awful games.

>>2547321
Pleb or /v/ level troll? You decide.

>>2547325
Patrician is the word you're looking for. Now get over it.

>>2547321
>same with Nights and Phantasy Star Online. They're all objectively awful games.
Had me going until this bit. 6/10

>>2547328
Those are terrible games. If you think they aren't, you are literally retarded.

>>2547331

>>2547335
>I'm unable to handle the truth
No wonder you're here.

>>2547236
It has nothing to do with the Ecco story, m8.

>>2547331
>different is bad

>>2547353
Ask any PSO fan.

>>2545768
Fuck that's depressing, what a shit decision to not port scud race.

>>2546007
Thats just the alternative name for scud race so no it didnt get ported.

>>2547360
Chimps were running SEGA at the time. It's the only explanation. Not even the smart chimps who can stack boxes.

>>2547362
Ahh, I see. Funny story about it:
>go to hot dog just just outside my city, haven't been there in years
>hot dogs and chips are out of this world, but they also have a small arcade
>after some Galaga, I decide to try this game I've never heard of before called Sega Super GT
>I sit down, the coin slot is broken
>get up, move to the next seat
>the gas pedal is stuck down, so I can't select anything in the menus without letting the timer run down
>finally start playing; game is everything I like about Daytona USA except with cooler cars and more complex tracks
>discover gearshift is broken; can't shift into 4th great without giving it a good smack
>end up spending most of my game either skidding about in neutral or smashing into walls because I can't slow down
>decide to just play the Dreamcast port at home instead of spending another dollar
I just assumed because it's a late '90s Sega game, it would have a home port, but nooooooooo...

>>2545768
pretty much all of the Model 3 games didn't get ports
there was VOOT and VF3TB and that's it?
Oh, and a port of a later NAOMI-based Virtua Striker update.

no SCUD Race, no Daytona 2, no SpikeOut, no Star Wars Trilogy Arcade, etc

>>2547449
SEGA Rally 2 too. I wish they'd put out a Model 2 collection on the Dreamcast. Arcade perfect VF2, SEGA Rally etc.

>>2547418
>go back
>buy the cab
>fix it
>put it outside your house
>pat yourself on the back for doing humanity a solid
>sell it once it reaches critical mass price

>>2547239
Yeah, good times. I'd managed to save enough lawn mowing money to buy it at that time you could mail in a coupon and also get Sonic for free.

>>2547143
Altered Beast was just released as something pretty and quick I feel. Its not a very good game on the genesis. It just feels like a dumbed down 8 bit game with better graphics. Maybe in 89 it was good but I only played it after playing games like Streets of Rage which just made it seem primitive.

>>2544940
>Best Sega game ever is a virtual pet game that came 2 years after the tamogatchi fad with no gameplay and a microphone that worked half the time at best revived into mainstream culture by hipsters because it's ironic.

Hey Hey Hey

Shining Force Series

>>2547536
>buy the cab with my no money
>put it in my room that's already full of vidya
>fix it with my little-to-no technical know-hour

>post pics on /vr/ anyway to stroke my ego

I might be able to fix the coin box, but that's as far as my technical knowledge goes. At least the monitors were mint.

>>2547340
>>2547331
>>2547321

Why can't the mods just ban these retards?

>>2547608
it was an arcade from several years earlier, so its gameplay is even more dated than that. Might have been the first console game to feature voice sfx.

>>2547637
>fix it with my little-to-no technical know-hour
You call yourself a geek with that attitude? Nobody sets out knowing how to fix something. You just start taking shit apart and making a note of what's broken and you post here asking about replacement parts.
The no money/space I get tho. same boat

>>2547617
>>Best Sega game
>thread is literally "games that define Sega"
>somehow his conclusion is that Seaman is the best
Who's the retard, again?

>>2547752
>You call yourself a geek
But I don't, anon.
I have a few toaster NESs. When I took them apart, i was never able to get the cart tray back into the proper position so it would read games. Now they're useless.
Trying to repair an arcade game would be at least tenfold more difficult.

>>2544868
Sakura Wars is what turned me into a sega fan years ago. I still replay the games to this date.

I hope they do something with 3 and 4 next year in the 20th anniversary

>>2547236
Doesn't count. Neither does Ecco Jr. They're not connected to the other two games. Ecco was supposed to be a trilogy. We never got a real Ecco 3 and never will, because Sega is run by morons.

>>2548754
You mean Novotrade.

VF3: From a time when arcade hardware was still light years ahead of everything else (including PC video cards). The model 3 hardware used chips from Lockheed, literally space age shit. This kind of tech was the last stand of arcade supremacy over consoles, the kind of stuff that made arcades special all the way back to the days of kids comparing their 2600 carts of Defender and Pacman to the real thing. The end of an era.

The legendary VF3 demo clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGLtfq7xrx0

>>2545768
Honestly that looks pre-rendered.

Still fucking tragic though. One of my favorite coin op racers ever.

>>2547449
Fighting Vipers 2. And thank god for that one. In response to OP's theme, I can't think of a game that's more SEGA than FV2.

I miss this game

>>2544861
I still have my folder of this from preschool.

>>2547638
Why would they ban people with correct opinions?

>>2547449
>no SpikeOut
This one's always hit me the hardest. Probably the most underrated beat em up there is.

>>2548827
Fantastic port, so long as you have an arcade stick handy.

>I can't think of a game that's more SEGA than FV2.

This, it's a competent, zany game that just draws you in.

>>2549108
>correct opinions
Literal /v/ level post. Please go back there.

>>2549143
Bitching about /v/ is the most /v/core comment one can make, m8. :^)

>>2548827

I can:

Fighters Megamix

>>2544183
>Anything made by Yu Suzuki
this literally

Arcade
Fast Paced
Japanese

>>2549620
except Shenmue which was slow boring trash

>>2549620
Shenmue was so expensive it almost killed Sega, so yeah, it certainly defined the company.

>>2549657
Shenmue killed Sega for a reason. It wasn't a Sega game at all

>>2549657
>Shenmue was so expensive it almost killed Sega
Fucking idiot

This was probably the first Sega game I ever played. It's the reason why I begged for a Master System along with Outrun, Afterburner, and Space Harrier. They were even nice enough to build in Hang On if I carelessly forgot to put a cartridge in before I turned on the system. There were many other noteworthy Sega games between this and the second coming of Sega with Model I & II, and eventually their downfall with Naomi. They were too pure for a world without arcades.

favourite Sega game of recent times - the emphasis on getting a good rank spoils it a bit, but the setting and all the character back stories and attention to detail make it worth checking out

>>2549670
Rude

>>2549805
Not retro. Get that shit to /v/eddit

>>2549689
Videogames became very story centered in the late 90's and Sega was the weakest link. It kicked out the entire japanese industry in the long term because of their poor narrative skills

>>2544861
That's not even what a Genesis controller looks like

>>2549971
heyyyyy

>>2545363
But there is a Sonic RPG.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonic_Chronicles:_The_Dark_Brotherhood

>>2551702
And thanks to Ken Penders, there will never be another one.

Phantasy Star series
Panzer Dragoon series
Streets of Rage series
Sonic series
Shenmue 1+2
Alex Kidd
Joe Montana Football
Daytona USA
Virtual Fighter
Shinobi series
Afterburner series
Super Monaco GP

>>2549845

This is probably the biggest crock of ignorant shit I've ever heard, and that says a lot because /vr/ is mostly shit.

You're either too young to remember history or you're just an idiot.

>>2551716
Back to /v/, kiddo.

>>2544251
Sonic is literally "Sega [/thread]"

What, are you gonna name Ecco the dolphin or something? Get the fuck out of here.

>>2551716
Dude, no one except autists buy japanese videogames anymore for a reason
Hollywood won

>>2544183

>>2544585
Hang On, Space Harrier, OutRun, and Afterburner; these are the games that defined Sega's brand long BEFORE Sonic.

Space Harrier is to this day my favourite game of all time.

>>2544663
Thee colorful blue skies and arcade style that define Sonic were derived from Space Harrier, OutRun, Afterburner, etc.

It was people like Yu Suzuki and Rieko Kodama who defined the Sega brand far more than Sonic.

When Sega focused totally on Sonic they lost their identity.

>>2545172
Rieko is still there but can't get any shit done, she might well leave soon.

>>2544245
This actually looks pretty damn fun, or at least neat. Too bad the prices are so goddamn outrageous for an English copy.

How is Saturn emulation anyway? Never given it a try but I figure that's the only way I'll get to play this, unless you can play the Japanese version without much knowledge of the language.

>>2553815
>>2553819

Rieko Kodama wasn't really the driving force bhind Phantasy Star...it was alot of people. Also she never managed a department or headed a team.

Anyway list of noteworthy people at Sega, that left, or are still there:

Hardware people:

Hisashi Suzuki: The oldest Sega employee, worked there since the early 60's and retired in 2004. The top arcade executive.

Hideki Sato: Introduced the ifrst commercial videogame in Japan, and then was the frontman of all Sega hardware. Left in 2004, was made president in 2001 and put Sega back into profitability (which meant cutting alot of of what we loved about Sega back then).

Masami Ishikawa: The dude who designed the SG-1000, Mega Drive, Master System along with Hideki Sato. Stil at Sega today, doing arcade stuff.

Hiroshi Yagi: Designed the Game Gear and did arcade stuff. Still does arcade stuff today.

Yoji Ishii: First standout game developer, directing Fantasy Zone, and helping Yu Suzuki.

Yutaka Segano: Made the first Shinobi and also stuff like Crackdown

Naota Oshima: The art director behind Sonic and director of NiGHTS and Burning Rangers.

The three above went to form Artoon/Arzest, which sadly is mediocore.

Rikiya Nakagawa: Helmed the AM1 lineage of arcade games since the early 80's. Altered Beast, Golden Axe, Shinobi, Dynmaite Cop, Alient Storm, House of the Dead etc. Left in 2003, to form...Paon, a very shitty development company, thats dead by now (Donkey Kong spin-offs like King of Swing and Barrel Blast.

Hisao Oguchi: Helmed the Am3/Hitmaker lineage of arcade games. Top Skater, Crazy Taxi, Lost World etc. etc. He was more of a manager and managed a group of five producers and nine directors. Now part of the executive structure of Sega.

Really not just AM2 were legendary but all of AM1/2/3 were brilliant.

Noriyoshi Ohba: Streets of Rage, Super Shinobi, Clockwork Knight, Sakura Wars, Skies of Arcadia...left in 2004, and is now leading a company that provides CGI development support.

>>2553986

Anyway its not all, read upon the shuffling of managers here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Tripple-ddd/sandbox

>>2544210
>>2544245

I don't know if there's something wrong with me but I love Nights to bits but I just can't get into BR at all. Like it's not bad but I just don't have much fun playing it.

Afferburner

>>2553904
SSF is really good for Saturn emulation, probably the best.

>>2547331
>"I'm a Patrician"

may as well ask here

I just finished Shenmue and it's great, but now I wanna play Shenmue II. What exactly are my options here? I tried looking it up but from what I saw I either need to get an xbox (and lose any ability to use my old save though I'm not sure exactly how important that actually is), burn a disc that'll be missing a ton of audio or be horribly, horribly compressed, or spend $200 on a european DC copy.

I don't think I like any of those choices.

>>2549689

Thanks for posting Sega's best game ever.

>>2549845
Videogames became very story centered in the late 90's.

The less narrative the better.

>>2555282
>$200

It's $50 at the most.

>>2555272
>"I'm a Patrician"
Yes, I am. Well done for recognizing. You even referenced a good game, too. Keep it up and you might one day have as good a taste as mind.

>>2544251
Yeah, you got a real ice grill but are you really real?
Step to the hill and Imma test ya gun skillz

>>2555306
You sure you're not thinking of the Japanese version? Cheapest I can find it for is $100 which is still way more than I'm willing to pay.

Sonic CD, Shenmue, Space Harrier, Space Channel 5, well most of everything else has been listed.

Sonic the Hedgehog, and before that, After-burner and Outrun. If you think otherwise, you're simply delusional.

>>2555435
Sonic only played a big role on 2 of SEGA's consoles and was basically nonexistent in arcades.

Sonic only defines SEGA if you don't like SEGA really. Meaning you have no idea of their other IPs or arcade machines.

>>2555475

Not that guy but are you seriously arguing that the fucking company mascot doesn't define the company?

Would you say the Dreamcast was a failure of a system? Last Sega console ever made. Would it have been even if the Dreamcast did really well? Who knows. There was some gold on this console.

>>2555494
It was only the mascot for 2 fucking consoles.
Only dipshit kids today think sega is all sonic.

>>2555641

Sega was fucked long before the Dreamcast came out. They put their all into it, but that wasn't enough.

>>2555641
Commercially, it was a failure
it has a really good, good game to bad game ratio though.

>>2555641
reminder that in two years it had twice as many games as the N64

>>2555654

You're trying awfully hard to be so willfully dense.

>>2555698
Nope. Seriously, the only people who think Sonic did shit for SEGA are kids and peaple that hate SEGA. Arcades played a much bigger role.

The only time Sonic played a positive and big role was Genesis. To a lesser extant DC also.

>>2555698
Sorry m8, but Sonic is by far Sega's most mediocre property.
It's not necessarily bad. It's just something that REALLY caught on in America, so Sega shoveled out Sonic games as quickly as they could. Plus, most of their other properties are all some of the best in their respective genre.

>>2555836
Yeah, no. I'm pretty sure a quality trilogy of platformers is above a mediocre tech demo like Afterburner. Which is one of the first Sega games I'd think of, by the way.

>>2555310
It's clearly from the comic series.

I'm surprised you misunderstood my statement, with such a "brilliant mind" such as yours. Try harder next time.

>>2555874
>mediocre tech demo like Afterburner.
Kill yourself.

>>2544868
I'd argue that Sega's IP's were more unique and memorable than some of the stuff Nintendo put out.

I just don't think the world was ready for Sega's quirky games at the time.

>>2555668
I think they knew they were doomed but wanted to end classy

>>2555316
Oh shit, you're right. I remember seeing it for no more than the equivalent of $60 a couple of years back. I was hoping we wouldn't have to deal with Nintendo-tier price-gouging.

>>2555875
>I'll try harder next time
Good, I have faith in you. You'll be a patrician yet.

>>2555881
It's called the truth, anon. You might want to acknowledge it. After Burner is an unplayable mess, and everyone knows it.

>>2555874
>Sonic
>quality

Nah. They're okay at best.

>>2556559
>unplayable
"I don't want difficult games to exist because I can't handle them!"

>>2556559
Afterburner is legit. Visually impressive, great music, and a lot of fun if you git gud. It's hard as nails(I would say damn near impossible to 1c) but it feels like your actually going breakneck speeds once you start avoiding planes and trying to outrun missiles.

>>2556571
Difficult is fine, anon. But it's generally a good idea for a game to be playable.

>>2556579
I'm not saying it's not fun, but it is an unplayable mess. It's just a fun unplayable mess we enjoy for the sake of it, but it will never have the precision of games like Outrun or Space Harrier.

>>2556559
>unplayable
But I was playing it yesterday and had loads of fun. Got pretty far on one credit too. Sounds like the problem is you, anon.

>>2556594
I know lying on the internet is par for the course, but you might want to turn it down a notch.

>>2556595
You can get pretty far without dying in Afterburner by wildly dodging and not even trying to engage enemies. Which, incidentally, is why I think it is not a very good game.

>>2556591
>but it will never have the precision of games like Outrun or Space Harrier.
Have you tried playing it with a flight stick as intended? It's a million times more precise than Space Harrier. I love Space Harrier but it's no After Burner.

>>2556616
This is another problem with playing these games. Outrun is designed to be played with a wheel and Afterburner (and thunderblade) with a flightstick. The sort of things you'd only own unless you're really into those genres. Except they are usually used for hardcore sims, of which none of these titles are. I'd actually like to have them, but I can't justify taking up all that space for a peripheral I'd only occasionally use to emulate Outrun.

>>2556554

It's kinda just the nature of things when something shoots in popularity like shenmue did after the recent KS.

I'll probably just go for the (non-/vr/ choice) xbox version. Been meaning to play Jet Set Radio Future anyway.

>>2556614
The trick is to memorize the enemy plane formations then shoot them down b4 they lock onto you. Easier said then done I know, but the game gets a whole lot easier when your only trying to avoid maybe 1 or 3 missiles compared to 20 flying at you.

>>2556623
Now you're bitching about arcade software using arcade hardware?

>>2547321
>Nights and Phantasy Star Online. They're all objectively awful games.
Are you retarded?

>>2557170
You must be if you can't accept the truth.

>this sole anon shitting at random titles because he somehow knows the truth nobody wants to talk

Please ignore him.

Every-single time I mention Sonic in this thread, my comment gets deleted, It's scaring me.

>>2555282
XBox Live Arcade version is the cheapest way to play the game

>>2555282
You can always burn a copy for the Dreamcast. The Dreamcast version is definitely the way to go, it's subtitled rather than dubbed like the Xbox version, so you don't have to put up with the awful dub.

>>2557539
>not liking the awful dub
I can't imagine playing Shenmue without it

>>2557547
I do kinda like it, but I think subbed is better for immersion in the game. You kind of really need to feel like you're in Yokosuka/Hong Kong.

>>2555316
>>2556554
>>2556785
>It's kinda just the nature of things when something shoots in popularity like shenmue did after the recent KS.
Megaman Legends is another victim of that shit. I finally though to get my own copy of those games for the first time since I played them 15 years ago, a week before the Red Ash fiasco started. I managed to snag Legends 1, which hasn't gone up much in price yet, but Legends 2 is at an all time high now. It's a nightmare, and its only going to get worse if Red Ash ends up failing and cementing the series as another "forgotten" classic.

Fuck Capcom for not bringing over the PSP ports. This wouldn't be anywhere near as bad if they had.

>>2557539

yeah but like I said it'd either be missing audio files or have them all compressed to shit.

unless you know of a iso I could burn that wouldn't have these issues.

>>2557564

How well do those games even emulate? I always heard issues but when I tried doing it a long time ago it seemed fine (until I dropped it because reasons)

>>2557564
>psp ports of Megaman Legends

Whoa, thanks for that anon. Didn't know about those. The PSP is so ludicrously underrated here in the west.

>>2557692
Yeah the two ports were released a month apart back in 2005 and were actually later made available in a two-pack for a budget price. Capcom USA for some reason skipped over both and focused solely on releasing Powered Up and Maverick Hunter X here, then used their poor sales figures to justify not releasing Legends and Legends 2. It's a massive shit stack, especially since the PSP versions actually remove the product placement that's keeping the PS1 versions from being released through PSN.

>>2544183
Sega games aren't complete without Sega Vision
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Un6-nI2plCY

>>2557591

There is such an iso, but I don't know what it's called. There was some guy on /v/ who made his own NTSC DC case for II and his disc was burned from that iso. Do some searching and maybe you'll find it.

>>2545878

Dammit, now I'm hearing it.

>>2549971

Given all the hardware Sega made I honestly would not be surprised such a controller design existed.

>>2557220
>that one anon too autistic to talk directly to other anon

>>2557240
Sonic was never good

>>2561224
You seem to be on the wrong board, buddy. Might want to rejoin the rest of your 12 year old gamegrumps friends:
>>>/v/eddit

>>2561221
>that one anon whose been trying to b8 people all thread

The worst part is, it keeps working.

To answer the OP's question, Space Harrier.

>>2561224
Epic man, what Youtuber did you get that opinion from?

Kid Chameleon

>>2564164

>100+ levels
>1850+ screens

RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD

>>2561229
But it's true. Sonic is the cancer that killed Sega. They made much better IP but they focused on those mediocre platformers with too much inertia which make them unplayable. It was a challenge to jump between two moving platforms.

why did they never make a compilation of Saturn games?

>>2564238
Sonic literally keeps Sega alive

>>2564752
I think SEGA wants to forget about Saturn. Only had maybe 3 sequels to games on Saturn.

>>2564759
>that logo
holy shit and this is coming from someone who knows kana

>>2564758
That would be Miku and pachinko, champ. All Sonic does is provide marginal profit and make SEGA a laughing stock.

>>2564767
we're talking about video games, anon. yes they have other businesses that are irrelevant to this board. but sonic keeps them alive in the vg market

>>2564765
it's a bit difficult but you can clearly see
ジェットセットラジオ

>>2564769
I wouldn't call being known to make some of worst games ever to be crated by a big developer ever being alive. Some including me would even say the worst game made ever by a big developer. That being Sonic 06.

Sonic is a drop in the bucket compared to the other 2 I just mentioned though. And Miku has her own rhythm games or whatever they are that make SEGA buckets of money.

As said already, only retards and kids think Sonic plays any kind of important role with SEGA. The only time he mattered was Genesis.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsAkQ7fA-ms

>>2564779
that オ is pretty imaginative

seriously what's the easiest way of playing a million sega saturn games? i dont want to pay jew-money either

>>2564752
Unfortunately, what this poster says is true:>>2564760

Most people don't know about the Saturn anyway. I've brought up the Dreamcast in conversation before, and a decent number of people know about things like Jet Set Radio or Sonic Adventure. If I bring up the Saturn I usually get blank stares or a "never heard of it" from most people.

Then there's the problem of what to do put in a Saturn collection, because its either dated ports or antiquated platformers, not to mention I think Sega's lost the source code for most of these games anyway.

>>2544194
I finally beat this today. Picked it up on 3DS and left the difficulty all on default settings. Great game, really satisfying to get the driving mechanic down.

>>2564819
I bought my system pre-modded online for around 100 bucks

Well worth it, can play any burned game and don't have to pay jewbay prices

>>2565004

This. A modded console is the best way to go. You can also disc swap but it's not good for the console and on model 2s it can be annoying to perform.

>>2565490

Pseudosaturn runs a hell of a lot of games, and all you need to run it is an Action Replay and do the disc swap trick once to flash the Pseudosaturn software onto the AR cart.

>>2567676

link?

>>2564164
came here to post this

>>2568338
Is there something special I need to do to emulate the Sonic1-3 as Knuckles ROMs? I get the No Way! screen when I load up the roms.

How am I supposed to do this

>>2570125
That's only for Sonic 1. Press A+B+C and start at the same time.

>>2570129
So how do I do it for Sonic 1 then

>>2570147
I just told you, the NO WAY thing is exclusively for Sonic 1. There is no Knuckles in Sonic 1 game outside of romhacks, so it's just endless Blue Sphere.

>>2570179
Oh okay, thanks. I'll find a romhack or someting then