/vr/ - Retro Games

I recently got pic related brand new. Does the stick become looser the more I break it in or do I have to tweak something to make it not stiff? Thanks in advance!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Panzer-Dragoon-Saga-Sega-Saturn-PAL-EXTREMELY-RARE-/221813979712?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item33a524ba40

Holy shit is this ever tempting...

>>2528346
>Does the stick become looser the more I break it in
Ohhh yeah it does. Thinking about buying a new one because mine is so old.

Asked in the last thread but I'll ask again here. Has anyone here played the Mobile Suit Gundam Side Story games? I'm looking for more games to play with my twin stick.

>>2528354
Just burn some isos. Not worth paying half that much frankly.

>>2528672
I was thinking of downloading one, but I can't speak moon so I don't think it'd be worth it. They look good though.

>>2528702
They're just FPSes, you dont need no moon.

>>2528702

Me either but they don't seem to have much of a language barrier other than not understanding people during cutscenes.

>>2528687

The rarity of that game is really overstated. There's always copies on eBay. Always.

>>2528726
It's not *that* rare in the US, but the PAL copies on the other hand never had extra production batches.

So, what's the recommended arcade stick for the Saturn and PSX?

I see people tend to be split regarding the virtua stick.

I was interested in the Saturn port of Wipeout 2097, but it apparently runs at 20 FPS. I heard that the Japanese version (called Wipeout XL) runs at 30 FPS but I have no way of telling for sure. Does anyone know if this is the case?

I asked this in the previous thread but got no answers:

What are some good beat 'em up games besides guardian heroes on the saturn? And platformers too!

>>2528726
There's always copies for sale but it's also relisted a lot. More so than most rare games.

The price is very artificially raised.

Does anyone know where to find a good iso release for the sega ages Outrun game? Isozone only has one and it's gone because of their server shenanigans.

>>2528097
>Just been playing TFV and noticed there is lots of slowdown around the larger enemies. Is this normal?

Yes, it's normal. Tons of Saturn games have slowdown.

>>2528672
>>2528702
They're pretty fun. Cheap too. No knowledge of moon necessary, just go to the red mark on the map and blow it up.

>>2529741
Emuparadise has one that works fine. At least the pal version (runs at 60hz)

Can anyone post a pic of their cartridge slot pins? My action replay works for save backup and region unlocking but games that require ram do not work. I have cleaned both the cartridge and the pins with ISO but nothing works any better. Either the pins are not contacting or my action replay is faulty and I only have 3 days to dispute on aliexpress. I stress that everything else about the cart works fine. The games I have tested are sfa3, ff real bout and vampire savoir

>>2530460
I looked for the one, but it came with a broke cue sheet. Track 01 is an iso file while the rest are ogg files, and the weird part is that the cue only reads the first track in Alcohol 120.

how often do you change your Saturn's lithium battery?

>>2529201
The one up here >>2528346 is a rubber dome piece of crap that you'll hate of you have any experience with microswitch sticks.
The second model is Japan only. From what I've heard, the parts it uses aren't great, but it's the best you'll be able to get on the system without modding.

>>2530584
Every time the battery dies.

>>2530584

Mine lasted the best part of 8 years

No joke

>>2530584

I don't bother anymore. I just make sure I transfer my saves onto a cart.

>>2529741
>Does anyone know where to find a good iso release for the sega ages Outrun game?

OutRun (Saturn) (J) v1.102.rar 337.6 MB
https://mega.co.nz/#!th1R3KBL!1NafcgdUVBZH-0P-VRuLFp_FPS-Ptuo88ZoB6fV8fn0

You are welcome.

>>2531256
Cheers, bro!

Can anyone help me?

>>2532697
Yes?

>>2532697
>>2532716
- >>2530474

Woops

>>2532697
Try other capcom games like D&D, XmenVsStreetfighter, games that really utilize the 4MB ram. If they all don't work then it's def the cart's fault and you should get a refund.

Also, don't have the cart seated all the way down in your saturn, the pins won't all connect that way. Have it shit like 1 centimeter off the floor of the cart port.

>>2533220
He tried multiple games already.

I'd say he should try it in another Saturn instead.

>>2533317
i don't know anyone with a saturn unfortunately

>>2528354

when I lived in England, GameStation had that for 80 quid
I was unemployed I couldn't afford it though :(

>>2530474
So I sent a message to the seller asking for a replacement or refund. Time will tell.

So what's the ideal way to hook up a Saturn to a TV?

I assume some RGB converter setup

>>2533647
Most games were made with composite in mind, since that's what they sold the Saturns with in Japan. Europe got RGB Scart though, which caused a public outcry since not enough TV sets had them at the time (some units actually had a huge sticker on their box saying "RF Connector included!").

>>2533652
Well I already have an S-video cable for my saturn, was wondering if I could do any better

>>2533656
RGB is better, but honestly not that much. The colours are a LITTLE bit sharper technically, but you can only tell the difference if you specifically compare the two and look for differences.

That, plus you have other problems getting RGB hooked up: NTSC TVs don't have SCART sockets, NTSC Saturns don't work with PAL cables due to the a/v out being wired differently, so you'll need third party cables, but third party cables are usually poor quality and you'll get buzzing audio...

>>2533660
Alright, sounds like an S-video hooked up to a CRT is my best bet then, thanks

Anyone ever play 7 player Death Tank? Finally did it, use to always just play 6 players. Also, I finally got a 2nd multitap and 8th controller, so I was finally able to play 8 player bomberman, we did 4 teams of 2. I wonder if I'll be able to find enough people and controllers for the famous 10 player feature of bomberman. These 2 games make the Saturn one of my favorite local multiplayer game consoles.

How do I replace the CR2032 battery in a japanese model 2 saturn?
Online videos make it seem as easy as pulling up on the battery, but my model has plastic nubs securing it, and I really don't want to break it.

>>2536759
You just grab it and pry it upward. It'll pop out.

>>2536786
Alright, got it. It just took more force than I was expecting it to. Thanks.

Anyone know how I can connect my Saturn up to my PC monitor? Don't have room for a TV

>>2536831
get one of these, they usually cost less than $10, it's called Easycap

>>2536831
You'll need an upscaler for that, unless your monitor can take composite/s-video input.

>>2536847
I do have a capture card, but the lag is unbearable.

>>2536848
Drat. Those are quite expensive

>>2536853
weird, I use that same thing with my Saturn and my laptop, I got no lag at all.

>>2536864
I guess I haven't set it up correctly then. I'll play about with it more

I am currently having a blast playing Panzer Dragoon Saga. I love the battle system.

Just bought Dragon Force. Paid $80 for a complete copy. only problem is the case is beat up, but that an easy replacement fix. I think I got a bretty gud deal.

>>2533660
All of the scart cables that I use with my xrgb mini are hand built by retro_console_accessories on ebay and they work great.

I have a PAL Sega Saturn I bought on a whim once.
What can I do to get the most out of it?
(Only have a handful of games that came with it. Shame Sonic Jam and Clockwork Night don't work and i have the gimped version of Daytona USA)

>>2538293
Start by getting a Action Replay Cart and some good import games. You could burn isos, but you'll need to look into flashing the cart using a burned copy of pseudo saturn and the disc swapping trick. To get the most out of the system you'll need to install a 60hz switch, you can pay some specialists to do it or you can attempt it yourself (it's not that hard).

>>2538293
Get some good cheap pal games first. I recommend Virtua Fighter 2, Sega Rally and Street Fighter Alpha 2 to get you started

>>2538286
I also use SCART cables from that ebay store. I bought SNES, Mega Drive, and Saturn cables.

The Mega Drive cable was defective and didn't work. I sent them an e-mail and they in turn sent me a replacement cable, free of charge, and didn't even ask me to send back the old broken cable. I live in Brazil, and they payed for the shipping on the replacement cable. The shipping fee is the price of a cable.

10/10 service.

What is the most money you have ever spent on a Saturn game?

>>2538694
Around 80€ on Keio 2 recently, and about the same on Panzer Dragoon Saga 5-6 years ago. I sold the latter unfortunately.

>>2538694
Like 600 yen on Tokimeki Memorial.

>>2538694
Technically $35, as I never bought a retail game, but that's how much I spent on a modchip.

>>2538694
£90 on Battle Garegga

>>2538694
$347
You can probably guess which one.

>>2538694
$450 on Panzer Dragoon Saga. Was suppose to be new but seller was a scammer. That incident has pretty much put me off from wanting the game again. Too much greed and reseller scum raising an artificial price.

>>2538914
>You can probably guess which one.

Super Tempo? Hyper Duel? Cotton Boomerang? Taromaru?

>>2538694
you'd think it would be some pricey shooter, but its actually NA copy of Burning Rangers, cost me about $75.

>>2538927
you were buying a sealed copy to open and play? You crazy, anon. So many things can go wrong with new/sealed rare games.
Still dont let it stop you from enjoying a very fun, if short, 5th gen rpg.

>>2538914
oh is it Psychic Killer Tomato?

>>2539101
>Still dont let it stop you from enjoying a very fun, if short, 5th gen rpg.
I like to have CDs that aren't scratched. Seems most the "Like New" copies are close to $500 these days. Maybe.

Just saw this on french craiglist

Was this ever a real thing? Is it official? For 25 bucks I found it cute

Almost done playing through all of the Dreamcast games I bought recently. Thought about getting a Saturn next since there are only like 2 good games coming out this year for current gen consoles.
Would you recommend the Saturn to someone that doesn't like shmups or fighting games? The Saturn's library seems to be mostly that

>>2539339
I'm not a big fan of shmups, fighters, or rpgs. I still find really great games on the Saturn. You're very limited though.
NiGHTS
Burning Rangers
Steep Slope Sliders
SEGA Rally
Panzer Dragoon series.

Some games I haven't tried yet but want to are Astal and Mr.Bones.

>>2539336
Weird. French guy here, I have a somewhat similar PS1 watch - some promo item back in the day, not sure what exactly it was about. The band is identical.

>>2536831
RGB SCART + VGA Sync Strike

>>2538694
495$
Taromaru

>>2539370
>RGB SCART + VGA Sync Strike

That alone will get you a 15khz rgb signal, and he won't be able to do anything with those unless he uses a cga/amiga monitor, or a cga2vga upscaler.

>>2538293
Get a mod chip and region patch your games for pal. Also do the 60hz mod

>>2539393
Really depends on the monitor, you might be surprised - it might not even advertise it supports 15khz. My old computer's Trinitron, my pico projector (Qumi), and my capture card (Pexhdcap) all work fine with only that setup.

>>2539365
It's just some cheap swag companies give away at events like E3, nicer than beer coozies and t-shirts I'll admit.

>>2539365
Hey nice one. Guess I'm gonna buy it since the fabric band should fit more easily my skinny wrist than leather ones

>>2539404
So you are suggesting for him to waste 30€ plus shipping on a device that might or might not even work at all?

>>2538694

AUD$300 on PDS.

How does X-Arcade though PS1 to Saturn work? Stupid they don't make converters for major consoles even of they are retro. Who do they think their customers are? Why proprietary serial anyway? Seems so convoluted, you could at least make it an open standard.

Front what I've heard going through 3 converters messes up the buttons, not terrible for games with reassignable controls but annoying for Nintendo stuff that can't be generally

So, it's time for a very important question /saturn/.

3D Controller vs Regular Controller in Outrun?

> tfw you sell your Sega Saturn collection 7 years ago and you still regret it to this day ;_;

>>2539953
Well you could buy a cheap saturn, get a AR cart, flash it then just burn a bunch of games.

The 3D pad is shit, shit, shit.

>>2539901
Never tried with the 3D controller, might have to give it a go.

>>2540745
No it's not, not, not.

>>2540745
Nice hands, faggot.

>>2540751
Didn't you learn how to accept criticism when you younger?

>No Outrunner on the Saturn
Sega just hated the Saturn, isn't it?

>>2536831
Not gonna work.
PVM or go home.

>>2540958
A Trinitron is fine too.

>>2540797
Shame, that would have been great. Rad mobile is quite good though.

>>2536831
Framemeister is what you want if it accepts HDMI/DVI.
Otherwise XRGB-3

>>2540593

Anon here, I just purchase a Sega Saturn yesterday thanks for the heads up!

Someone lend me 3 grand.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/White-Japanese-Sega-Saturn-System-HST-3220-Complete-Shooter-Shmup-Collection-/311402033333?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item488101f0b5

>>2539901
Wheel.

>>2541562
I expected this reply first.

>>2541569
Yeah well, I seem to be the only guy around here with a wheel. I love Saturn racing games.

>>2541573
is the saturn a good console

>>2541609
yes

>>2541624
wat games are good

So how many of you have completed Panzer Dragoon Saga? I own it, but haven't yet.

>>2541650
Beat it about a month or so ago. Fantastic game, one of my favorite RPGs.

>>2541627
shmups, 2d fighters, panzer dragoons.

>>2541650
Nope. I've had it for years but I just can't get into it.

>>2541696
oh and also 3d fighters too, the ones by Sega anyway. The rest are hit and miss.

>>2541650
I did recently. Great game but not worth anywhere near what it's going for on ebay

>>2538694
Both $70 for D&D and SotN

>>2541650
Just started disc 3, i'm 8 hours in.

>>2541708
This, I'd pay maybe $100 for it, but three times that is fucking ridiculous.

>>2541550
>3 thousand Euros for a collection of games that play exactly the same way

I wonder if 20 years from now, someone will think of selling an Xbox 360 with a collection of all FPS games available on the system, for the future equivalent of 3000 Euros.

>>2542504
>games that play exactly the same way

>>2541650
this is my dark Saturn secret. Owned PDS since the late 90's, played it five or six times but have never been able to bring myself to watch the ending. Defeat the boss, final cutscene starts, and I power off the Saturn. Dont know why.

>>2543298
Yes, we have issues.

Saving the thread. I found an action replay code so you can play PDS with the action replay in your saturn:

http://www.thewilloftheancients.com/articles/panzer-dragoon-saga-action-replay-codes

>>2538694
$80 for both Dragon Force and Shining of The Holy Ark

>>2539901
3D Controller all the way! not only the steering is analog, you get accel/brake analog triggers as well. if you're interested in getting good at the game, I'd say the 3D Controller is the way to go :)

>>2540784
well, didn't you learn that saying "shit, shit, shit" doesn't amount to any kind of valid criticism and that you're expected to give solid reasoning to your opinions?

Is there any way to get into Saturn imports without having to spend shitloads of dosh on eBay?

>>2547442
Modchip.

So I've found one locally for $60, and the 3D controller for $30, are those good prices? I'm thinking more like $20 for the controller? Also, what do I need to know about a Saturn before I get one? What quirks does it have? What should I look out for as far as common or typical problems go for the system?

>>2547442

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DujYFV1t5zY

Going to post this here because not having much success in the repair thread.

Guys I'm having a problem with garou densetsu 3 (fatal fury) on Saturn. Running it on rgb had no problems with any other saturn game but once I get through the menus and loading screens to the actual fight the picture gets super out of sync and wobbly. I've never had this before. What could caused it? Last time it happened it beeped Also before it happened the game played like normal.

>>2549247
There are three SNK games which require the 1mb cart, but they get buggy if you use the 4mb cart. I think that game is one of them.

>>2538694
£100 total on Radiant Silvergun.

>>2541650
I've completed it in Japanese.

>>2543298
I was like that with Final Fantasy Tactics, anon. Then I finally did finish it and I balled my eyes out.

PDS' ending made me cry too. A real tearjerker.

I've been playing Shinobi Legions, WipEout and Clockwork Knight the last couple days berty gud

>>2549168
Gonna go ahead and re-ask this in the hopes that I'll get some input before I leave to potentially go get it.

>>2549168
Sounds pretty good as long as it's all in good condition. I've see the 3D controller go for like $50 before. There isn't much in the way of common problems as far as I know, the Saturn was built pretty sturdy.

>>2549342
You were the divine visitor. The only thing left to do now is to press the button.

>>2549719
Alright. Thanks, anon. I took a quick look at both the system and the controller, and they're both in good condition. I thought I heard something about a save battery going out, though? Is that what the "backup cart" they have at $60 is for? Somehow $60 seems a little high for what is essentially a glorified memory card.

>>2549984
There is not a lot of space on the RAM for saving in the first place, and every time the internal battery dies you lose all of your memory.
It's probably best to just pick up an Action Replay Plus so you can get better memory storage, have access to extended RAM, and the ability to play imports.

>>2549984
>Somehow $60 seems a little high for what is essentially a glorified memory card.

You can get a Japanese one for a third of the price.

>>2549994
Action Replay tends to brick itself, and you cannot save directly to it in games.

>>2550008
Isn't the Saturn region locked, though? Would a Japanese backup cart work with an NTSC Saturn?

>>2549302
Apparently ff3 doesn't use either, perhaps it is just buggy with the ar4 in?

>>2549168

In my country Saturn's are a lot more expensive. Could probably get a 3d pad for that price or less though. Skip on the cart. And get a modchip (40. American) + action replay (30 American).

>>2549168
Full on ebay prices.

>>2550058
Backup carts are not region locked. In fact no accessories are, except for the MPEG cards (which will STILL improve videos in certain games, it'll only refuse to boot the video cd player).

>>2550091
>Apparently ff3 doesn't use either, perhaps it is just buggy with the ar4 in?

http://www.satakore.com/sega-saturn-game,,T-3105G,,Real-Bout-Garou-Densetsu-JPN.html
>External Cartridge Required :
1MB RAM Cartridge only (Corrupt Graphics with 4MB RAM Cartridge)

Your cart is fine. The game is just bugged.

>>2549247
>>2550091
>>2550207
FF3 doesn't need a ram cart it just says it does everywhere on the internet for some reason. Thats the main reason it's a pretty average port. I tried troubleshooting this today. Played for quite awhile and thought the problem must have fixed itself before it happened again. I noticed that when I reset the Saturn the problem was still there on the saturn logo etc.I am running the demo screen of Darius Gaiden seeing if this is something that has just recently happened to my saturn, nothing yet.

>>2551114
Doesn't it have reduced animation without the cart?

>>2551138
Theres reduced animation compared to the mvs/aes original but the ram cart has no effect in improving it. I think the first KOF saturn port was the first snk game to have a ram cart (although its one that only works with that game) then the later games had a 1 meg ram cart that worked across snk saturn titles (Metal Slug, FF Real Bout, KOF 99). Capcom fighters beyond a certain point used the 4 meg ram cart which was either optional or req.

Is this alright?
What other games for the Saturn does everyone recommend?

>>2551567
You'll need a 3D pad for NiGHTS, bro. Also VF2 and SEGA Rally are essential!

>>2551567
The Shmups if you're into shmups, the fighters if you're into fighters. It should be noted Saturn has basically my favorite selection of 3D fighters. VF2, Last Bronx, Fighting Vipers, Fighters Megamix, DoA, VFRemix.

Beyond that there's some great racing games. Initial D, Daytona, Sega Rally, Outrun. Sega Ages are all great.

You seem to like RPGs so it's worth it to mention Shining Force, Shining Wisdom, Shining the Holy Ark, Albert Odyssey. If you read moon, there's also Lunar, Black/Matrix, Devil Summoner/Soul Hackers, Sakura Taisen, and a bunch of Weeb visual novel shit. Some wizardry ports of varying quality....

Digital Pinball: Necronomicon and Last Gladiators are rad. Oh, and the panzer dragoon trilogy. An absolute must.

>>2551567
Can I ask where you're getting this? Ausfag here

>>2551596
Rakuten
http://global.rakuten.com/en/category/112285/
It's an absolutely fantastic website

>>2551602
>http://global.rakuten.com/en/category/112285/
cheers anon

>>2551602
Aw shit time to buy a shitton of game boy games

>>2537751
That's pretty spooky.
I also just bought Dragon Force for the same price.
My case was in good condition, though.

>>2539027
PD Saga, mang

>Retrolink saturn usb pad for 20 bucks
What do you think about it?

>>2551602
How are the shipping prices there? Assuming you are getting an actual Saturn, the shipping price for that would end up costing more than what you are paying for the actual unit.

Also Super Robot Taisen is worth 1$ at most, it's an insanely common title. I think I still have 2-3 copies of both, I'll send you one if you want. But I need to check their cases first, they are probably broken. They use these shitty medium cases that are slightly thicker than a normal jewel case, and they are impossible to get replacements for.
In fact replacing broken medium cases is the only damn use for Super Robot Taisen on the Saturn (and is the reason why all my copies I are most likely broken, I exchanged their cases with other games that needed them).

>>2539469
If you bought a product from X-arcade you deserve to deal with their garbage.

>>2551808
For that price you can buy a real second hand one on ebay? It's a sure thing it will be crap

>>2551703
Good for you anon. The replacement case was no big deal. Looks almost new now

Just got myself a Twin Stick and I'd like to glue the overlay down as it's peeled away a bit at the edges. Anyone know how I can remove these rivets without fucking anything? Twin Stick in pic isn't mine btw. Just pulled it off Google.

Why is Virtua Fighter 2 one of the greatest fighting games of all-time?
It's so simple, yet so complex: the perfect arcade fighter. It's too bad the series never caught on as well in the states.

>>2553472
Hey, that look cool. Should it be great with an adaptator on PC? What games could be good with it?

>>2553495
For me, its only flaw is the moon gravity jumps. Otherwise near perfect 3d fighter.

>>2551808
Aren't these shit? You could get them for $5~ online and then a real controller for 9-12 and then swap the USB controller for the real one.

Someone bought the Radiant Silvergun I wanted. Now there are only extremely expensive ones.
Thanks

Just played through Burning Rangers.

It's not a bad game, but I personally just can't get into it at all. Something about it feels bad while I'm playing it, and I'm not sure what. Maybe it's the camera, or the framerate, or maybe it's just me.

It kinda sucks since it's pretty neat but I guess it's just not for me. At least the password system is cool, I like that you can play as the other guys while that awesome music plays. I just wish I wanted to play it again in the first place so I could actually enjoy that.

>>2538694

$250 on a mint copy of Panzer Dragoon Saga.

I have a Saturn all the hookups, Panzer dragoon and zwei.
I have 260$, I need 10$ for An AV splitter because glorious genesis. And anothe 10-20$ for the ST-key for jap games.

so like 220$, what should I get?

>>2554691
Ditch the st-key, get a modchip, get a spindle of blank discs. You can region patch the games before burning them, so st-key is not necessary.

You might need a memory card for saving (if you want to save for more than a handful of titles at the same time). 4mb RAM expansion is also good, but, most games requiring RAM expansion are arcade ports which are easier to play in MAME.

>>2554706
>modchip
no soldering iron, or else I would.

>>2554710

you say you have $220 to spend, a soldering iron is like fifteen bucks.

>>2554714
I'm afraid I'll fuck up the saturn, and I don't want to pay ebay prices for one. but alright.

>>2554724

I can understand that (it's the same reason I just stuck an action replay in mine for Japanese games), I'm just saying not having [x] isn't much of an excuse.

>>2554710
There's solderless solutions out there (pic related), I used this chip that plugged into the optical drive ribbon cable port and stole some power from the power board. I only had to use tape.

>>2554729
There is this, but honestly the Saturn chip is easy to install. You just place it between the board and the optical drive, and solder the wire into one of the power pins.

>>2554734
If it's only one wire then I'll do it, what model is my Saturn

>>2554740
>Oval buttons

Probably model 1. Do a quick google to make sure.

>>2554740
That's a model 1. It's 2 wires.

I don't think that specific chip is compatible with the m1 but I haven't read about this in a while, so I could be totally wrong. I'm sure you can still find a solderless solution (or pay someone to do it for you)

>>2554729
Do not fucking use that chip. It's a joke. The PCB is paper thin and it'll crack while you put it in the machine. It also has awful compatibility.

Get the Phantom chip or at least the V3 chip. The Phantom chip is sold for $27 Canadian, and only requires a jumper and a power cable to be soldered.

>>2554749
>That's a model 1. It's 2 wires.

Only the post-1997 Saturns need two wires, and only for modchips that do not have an onboard 8MHz clock (like the turd that racketboy sells).

Your bigger problem is that the machine is 20-pin. But, the phantom and v3 chips are both compatible with 20pin drives, in fact, the phantom won't even need to be jumpered for the 20pin drives.

>>2554760
>won't even need to be jumpered
so that means no soldering?

>>2554772
>>2554760
I'll do the v3, it's still one wire for my Model1 didn't think it'd be that easy. I've needed a soldering iron anyways to replace capictors

>>2554760
But, just be careful when you're putting it in. I could tell it was fragile because electronic components generally are. Thanks for the tip though.

>post 1997

You realise those are power cables right? You can't just attach one and say it's a full circuit.
I also mentioned how that chip probably isn't compatible with the model 1, but wasn't sure. You fixed that, now I know it only works with m2+.

Thanks again.

>>2554796
Is my saturn a model 1 A or B
>>2554740

>>2554772
minimal soldering with pretty huge areas to solder too

it's easy-peasy

>>2554803
>power cables, attaching one
i suppose it must take ground from somewhere else (motherboard) since it only attaches to +5V on the PSU

>>2554772
It means you do not need to put solder on the jumpers on the modchip. You only need a power wire.

>>2554803
>I could tell it was fragile because electronic components generally are.

No, this thing is worse than that. It uses a PCB as thin as a ribbon cable, you fart on it from the wrong direction and it will physically break. All the other chips use a PCB with normal thickness, which are tons more resilient.

>>2554814
model 1 with VA1 motherboard.
V3 and Phantom chip will only need a power cable soldered, and the jumpers must be not-soldered (so if they are connected, you have to remove the solder from the jumper pads). But the chips usually come with the jumper pads being non-connected, so no worries about that.

>>2554820
Ribbon provides ground.
Also, 8mhz sync on all but one cd drives.

>>2554829
Alright thanks.
Didn't think the soldering was that easy.

Ordering the chip tonight, what cd's does the saturn and the dreamcast use, buying a dreamcast tonight with my saved money

>>2554820
Yes.
>>2554829
Mine didn't though, and I've never had any issues, compatibility or otherwise. I never said that it's the end-all-be-all modchip out there, I was just pointing out my personal experience installing a chip with tape. Nothing more.

Anyhow, I can agree that it's a little cheap, but if you're careful, cheap is just fine. Not optimal, but it works.

>>2554834
Any old spindle of CDs will work, it's the images and burn procedure that really matters.

You should get good quality blanks, just for the sake of a good burn.

>>2554842
Alright I'll order some sony blanks, CD-R correct?

>>2554841
>I've never had any issues, compatibility or otherwise.

You probably only modded 1 Saturn in your life.

I have 7-8 completely different Saturns specifically for testing modchips on. Racketboy chip is the worst in every single comparison. Highest price, easiest to damage, lowest compatibility, requires the most fiddling to get working, and so on.

>>2554845
100%

Thinking of picking up some imports. These aren't really known for being top-tier Saturn games, but maybe they'll be fun:

Linkle Liver Story - Action RPG
Willy Wombat - Isometric platformer
Steamgear Mash - Isometric platformer

Anyone have any experience with these games? Would love some opinions.

>>2554860
I suppose I should also add that I've played just about every "great" Saturn game and have owned the system for years, so I'm branching out into the not-so-great territory.

>>2554858
Coolio, can't wait to burn some games I've been itching to play.

Anything good other than shit like
PD Saga
Radiant Silvergun
Psychic Assassin Taromaru

Looking for fun stuff that doesn't require moonrunes

>>2554857
You're right. It still works though, so what are you contesting here? I already acknowledged my ignorance on the matter multiple times, I don't see what you have to prove here.

Again, this could be a rare case that only happened to me, but I got the chip at a reasonable price (or what I deemed reasonable, there could be cheaper), had no issues installing it, and it worked every single time up until someone nicked my saturn. Not one problem.

You're acting like racketboy found a way to make modchips from aborted fetuses or something to that extent. Please give some examples supporting your claims or I'll have no choice but to ignore you something we both know shouldn't be

>>2554870
youtube.com/watch?v=SpY6o4gNjhM is a good resource, runes aside.

>>2554870
Lunacy is a kind of bizarre, charmingly-shitty FMV adventure game. Story is nuts and the voice-acting is pretty funny, but it might be worth showing off to friends once you get the hang of it.

Panzer Dragoon 1 and Zwei

Guardian Heroes (need friends to beat; game is impossible otherwise imo)

Bulk Slash is one of the best games on the system hands-down. Lots of fun. 3D third-person action game.

Elevator Actions Returns is fun with a friend or solo. Fantastic run-n-gun-n-close-doors game.

Racketboy's chip is shit, sure, but why is this an issue when the universal exists now and you can't even buy racketboy's anymore?

My racketboy still works which is nice, but still. No reason to not get a universal in this day and age.

>>2554872
>It still works though, so what are you contesting here?

Put it in a skeleton Saturn (or any machine that has the white paint on the edge of the drive), and it won't work, unless you solder extra wires to the IC pins.

Put it in a Saturn with a 64pin drive and there's a 50/50 chance it will work, and even then it sometimes works buggy or will need an extra wire.

Put it in a 20pin Saturn and... you can't actually put it in a 20pin Saturn without doing a shitload of mods to the chip.

So with that you locked out all type of drives used in Saturns made in 1994, in 1995, the first half of 1996, all of 1997, and all of 1998. Unless you like modding your modchip.

Add to that the fact that the chips themselves break extremely easily, and last time I checked they cost $60 while all the other ones cost half of that at most (the phantom is $27 Canadian).

So why even bother ever suggesting the older chips, when you can get better ones for cheaper?

Alright guys
>>2554870
Ordering the modchip tonight, picking up a soldering iron at home depot, picking up CDs, picking up a Dreamcast , 4 in 1 Action Replay.


Anyone have a recommended AV splitter, since I finally have multiple console I'll play, I need a nice 3in 1out or 4in 1out?

so pumped to finally play games I couldn't afford.

>>2554961

I can attest to the 64 pins acting up, I grabbed the racketboy when the V3 didn't exist. To play games I have to reopen the drive after I turn the console on.

>>2554972
Funny thing is - the V3 is just the V2 in a different pcb, and the V2 was the "original" chip that the racketboy one cannibalized. Same exact schematics, just a different PCB, and many components missing to make the price lower. Typical Chinese design.

You even have the PCB marked up for the missing components which are still in the V2 chip.

>>2554961
Because I wasn't recommending it. I was mentioning it's existence (and that I owned one).

>I don't think that specific chip is compatible with the m1 but I haven't read about this in a while, so I could be totally wrong.

Obviously you should research before purchasing, I wasn't arguing that.

You wanna hear a suggestion? Buy a good Saturn beforehand, with the knowledge of which chips work with what. From that point you can get any god damn chip you fucking want.

tl;dr "solderless" not "racketboy".

>>2528097
Capcoms Generations discs for the saturn are fucking awesome.
Ghouls n Ghosts, Ghosts n Goblins, and Super Ghouls n Ghosts on the 2nd one.

fucking baller

>>2555170
>Buy a good Saturn beforehand, with the knowledge of which chips work with what.

Or, buy a chip that works in all Saturns.

>>2555308
Aka the V3 PCB

Anybody have a nice bin/cue of Thunder Force Gold pack 2?

>>2555556
Oddly, that's one of the games that was never ever dumped properly.

I've been meaning to buy it, but it practically doubles in price inbetween my every paycheque.

>>2555568
fuck, alright, also
don't buy it, unless you are a collector, I wouldn't want me or you to spend anything over 50$ on a CD based game.

>>2555578
Well, somebody needs to buy it that has the means to properly dump it.

>>2555587
If that's what you meant by picking it up, then go for it. Hell, if I manage to set up a paypal account properly I'll send you 80$ if you dump it.

>>2555593
But that's not probable about the paypal account, shit won't fucking connect to my bank account, I even called paypal and shit.

Regarding joysticks, how's the virtua stick 2 person controller?

>>2555721
Huge, and expensive as fuck.

I imagine it's good though, since it's basically just a blast city cab front with saturn plugs.

>>2528097
I'm working on a recommended Saturn game list for the threads so far:

Panzer 1,2,3
Radiant Silvergun
D:
Donpachi
Dodonpachi
Castlevania Symphony of the Night
Mr.Bones(debatable)
Daytona USA

>>2551114
>>2551138
>>2551160
So this just happened while playing sengoku blade. Kinda rules out it being the game. Could still be the ar4. Going to try playing a pal game without the ar4 and see what happens

Is Burning Rangers good?

>>2555807
You should separate it but NTSC U and J. Add a third part for PAL only games with English translations.

>>2555862
Jesus I couldn't even tell you which ones are which, although there aren't many significant pal games.

>>2555856
Yes it's very good.

>>2555884
Alright then after watching this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDkLwz0UOB8
I need to get this game.
Also what the fuck happened to Sonic Team?

>>2555825
OK so after testing a game without the ar4 it still happened after awhile so it must be the Saturn itself. Any idea where I should start looking? Pic is problem with contrast up, normally very dark

Since American Sega Saturns and Saturn games are so expensive, I decided to order a Japanese model 1. Since the games are cheaper and often have an option for English text, and I could emulate any games that require a lot of reading but don't have an English language option, I figured this was a good investment. What are some good Japanese Sega Saturn games? I already plan on buying NiGHTS, Daytona USA, Virtua Fighter 1 and 2, Clockwork Knight 1 and 2, all the Panzer Dragoon games, and Virtua Cop.

>>2556441
I really like psychic assassin taromaru but good luck.

>Castlevania Symphony of the Night
yes the better version was on the saturn
>Donpachi
>Dodonpachi
two bullethell shmups
>Radiant Silvergun
Shmup by treasure, expensive

There's around 1400 sega saturn jap exclusives and about 300 us exclusives, you can find some weird shit. Like Steam Hearts...

>>2556441
Also good luck

>>2556441
SEGA Rally is even better than Daytona if you ask me
Virtua Fighter 2
Fighters Megamix
Street Fighter Zero 3
Hell, pretty much every fighting game
Virtual On (need the twin stick though)
A lot of retro collections, OutRun, Space Harrier, After Burner II, Galaxy Force II, Power Drift, Salamander Deluxe Pack, Gradius Deluxe Pack, Konami MSX Collection, Sega Ages Memorial Selection Vol.1 amd 2. Fantasy Zone, a million more
Night StrikerS
Bulk Slash
Princess Crown (some Japanese text but you can get by)
Baku Baku Animal
Burning Rangers
Guardian Heroes
Cotton Boomerang

Loads more... Saturn has a massive library. Have fun diving in!

>>2556727
Speaking of,
how is Cotton 2/Boomerang?

>>2556729
Not that guy, but they're both a lot of fun.
Lots of people prefer Boomerang because it has more characters and harder bullet patterns, but Cotton 2's system of using fighting game-like commands to use magic spells is really cool to me.
Both of them have a system where you can pick up enemies and throw them, and using spells will allow defeated enemies to be able to combo off of others. It's amazingly cool in practice.
It's too bad that they're both quite expensive, especially Boomerang, but at least they're playable in MAME.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7RfBRI36uc

>>2556729
I only have Boomerang, so I can't compare it to 2, but it's one of my favorite shmups on the system. Hard as fuck too.

>>2556736
I can just burn em, so that's not a problem.

>>2555593
>If that's what you meant by picking it up, then go for it. Hell, if I manage to set up a paypal account properly I'll send you 80$ if you dump it.

If you re serious, mail me at zyrobs@gmail.com.

I actually really like Thunder Force so I'd be buying it for dumping AND for playing. And it wouldn't be the first game I bought that way. Lack of money is the only problem (I already grabbed most of the cheap undumped titles).

>>2556715
>There's around 1400 sega saturn jap exclusives and about 300 us exclusives, you can find some weird shit. Like Steam Hearts...

~1400 is the total amount of unique discs, but this is counting every disc of a multi-disc game separately. And then you have to subtract the ~300 games released in the US, if you want to get the number for unique games.

From the top of my head it's about 800 unique JP titles, but I might be completely wrong about the number, it's been a while since I calculated it. And most of the jp exclusives are stuff like Mahjong titles are visual novels.
You can still find tons of great titles, but there aren't that many as the number would suggest.

>>2556736
I prefer Boomerang simply because it has better graphics, and because you can punch enemy bullets (and enemies). It's hilarious to abuse that; for one of the bosses, the safest tactic is just flying up to his face and punching him repeatedly. You can still use button commands for combos in Boomerang too by the way, you even have more of them, and you can do the fire special attack at will.
The game is just simpler and more action packed.

And Cotton 2 comes in a fucking medium case too, Boomerang does not.

>>2556715
I love bullet hell games, but I've never heard of Radiant Silvergun. It's way out of my price range so I'll definitley emulate it.
>>2556727
I played Sega Rally's sequel on the Dreamcast and had a lot of fun with it, definitely going to pick that up. I do love Daytona USA, though. All in all, great list. Thanks for all the reccomendations.

>>2556795
>I've never heard of Radiant Silvergun
Damn, that's a surprise. It's one of the most popular vertical shmups ever made.
It's pretty different from a lot of other shooters in terms of both presentation and gameplay, but it's still quite fun.

>>2556807
It is? Well that's embarrassing. I'm not particularly well-versed in shmups considering I've just gotten into them, but I still like them a lot. I look forward to giving Radiant Silvergun a go, it looks wicked fun.

>>2556814
Mr Bones

>>2528346
>tfw these things are going 20$ NIB
I fucking love you guys

>>2557242
That's because they are awful (they use rubber membranes, same as a normal gamepad), plus they are huge so shipping costs a lot. Nobody wants them.

Offer 3.50>>2557302
Yeah good way to check out a stick is look up on YouTube and see if they click when moved if not you'd be better off with a standard gamepad

>>2538694
Around 90 € on D&D Collection. (it was in a pretty darn good condition though.)

>>2530558
there's a way to generate a new cue sheet from a bin, but I can't remember how you do it

Twin Stick useful for any games other than Virutal On?
If so List them, I wanna see what uses I can get out of it if I buy it

>>2557990
Mobile Suit Gundam Side Story 2 and 3 are the only other games I know that use it.

>>2558115
Ah alright

i just bought a ss horipad. what am i in for?

>>2558364
A better joystick then the virtua stick

I'm going to have a Saturn, what are the optimal prices in Europe? What region is better to have?

>>2558454
A jap Saturn since they're usually cheaper and are more asthetically pleasing

Any unknown games that are fun as fuck for the system, I'm feeling adventurous

>>2558454
With the universal chip you can get nowadays any model Saturn is angle to be modded. I found my pal Saturn really easy to chip/ 60hz mod

>>2558483
Fantastic Pinball

>>2558547
Alright, thanks

>>2558557
Into mechs? Assault Suit Leynos 2, Shienryu, and Bulk Slash are pretty cool, though not exactly unknown, really. Depends on how deep you've plunged into the system. Gundam Side Story's also great. Initial D and Lupin III: Sage of the Pyramid are fun if you're into those shows.

>>2558464
>and are more aesthetically pleasing
A E S T H E T I C S あなたは翻訳者にこれを入れます// SATURN

>>2558565
>Lupin III
I have the rest, I'll have to check that one out I love Miyazaki

>>2555568
I've found one that's been dumped properly

>>2558656
https://mega.co.nz/#!zF9FSILC!-rDTopRndMl2AqlBMv5GpO4SM3eHo0dScEcMfJZWhaM

should work

>>2558464
>>2558454
If you are in Europe, JP units are more expensive due to import prices.

It is very easy to mod PAL units though.

>>2558660
That's a 0 byte file.

>>2558685
>0 byte file
didn't upload it right give me a minute

>>2558691
>>2558685
Alright, this should work, I don't know if it's an exact dump but it should work if burned

>>2558708
Woops didn't link man I'm really messing up today, must be tired.
https://mega.co.nz/#!mIsAjJCI!ZpsWi5BHxGRpS0x-kRU7Fufcit5F4N58nHQKPRt7s-8

>Radiant Silvergun listings with no photos of the actual game
Help

>>2559517
Don't do it bro. Play it safe. There's no reason for them not to provide a picture if they're not trying to hide something.

>>2559521
I was finally ready to drop the cash on a copy. Finally ready. For the longest time I've seen them listed for $160-$170 with actual pictures but I couldn't do it at the time. The one I was looking at sold and now the only ones listed with actual pictures are over $200.

What startup/boot screen was your favorite?

Anyone know what the drama and mystery circles are in Tryrush Deppy?