/vr/ - Retro Games

But that's wrong you faggot.

>too many levels
>too short levels
>not enough platforming
>multitude of cheap bullshit deaths
>overly simplistic graphics for a game released in 1990

Fuck that, SMW is better.

>>2530636
It's probably the closest we've ever seen to a "best video game ever made", with the runners-up being SMB1, Pac-Man, and Tetris.

>>2530640
>too many levels

how is this a bad thing?

>too short levels

i like the length of the levels.

>not enough platforming

???

>multitude of cheap bullshit deaths

If anything the game is too easy.

>overly simplistic graphics for a game released in 1990

how many famicom games look significantly better?

Not even the best Mario game. Not even a great game to be honest.

>>2530640
Agree with everything except

>multitude of cheap bullshit deaths
>overly simplistic graphics for a game released in 1990

>>2530636
At the time of its release, no question. Now however, it's just one of those old masterpieces.

>>2530640
>multitude of cheap bullshit deaths
You just suck.

>too many levels
top kek

>>2530651
>how is this a bad thing?

It is when the game doesn't have any save feature.

>>2530640
>overly simplistic graphics for a game released in 1990
Original release was 1988.

> annoying line on the right side of the screen because of vertical scrolling.
> The rare powerups are far too rare (tanooki, hammer).
> Every boss battle was pretty much exactly the same.
> Every fortress battle was pretty much exactly the same (see also: Mario World).

Also, not even close to the best game ever. Sure back in the day it was decent enough, but games have matured and evolved. Mario 3 is actually super simple.

>>2530636
>best video game ever made

But that's not Super Mario World or Sonic the Hedgehog 2.

Super Mario World is way better imo

>>2530850
>save in smb3
being this level of noob

That's called nostalgia, OP. It's a symptom of being a giant faggot.

>>2530636
NO.

>>2530640
SMW is far worse in comparison

Having lots of levels is a good thing if they are all diverse, which SMB3 worlds are.
every world has its own unique feel as do the level;s within unlike SM@ which feels very samey.
>too short levels
the levels are a perfect length for fun without feeling overwhelmed or tired by them.
>not enough platforming
what? there is plenty of novel platforming
>cheap deaths
no, you just suck
>simplistic graphics
1988** and it still looks great.

In SMB3 you can't replay any level
In SMW you can replay any level the times you want.

>SMB3 no replay value confirmed

>>2531564
im playing through SS2 right now, its so fucking good

>tfw no insane AI gf

>>2531608
not in the JP version and castle levels

>>2531608

>Every time you start the game, it's from the beginning and there's no save system.
>"no" replay value

Uh, huh...
So you never beat the game then? Or did you literally sit there till you beat it the very first time? Because if you've ever played the game even a second time, you have proven your own argument wrong.

>>2531652
I beat SMB3 when it came out in one sitting.

I don't need a save feature for such an easy game.

>>2531564
>>2531610
ss2 is in my top 5 games of all time, but it would have to be balanced just a little better before i said it was the best game of all time i think

>>2531647
>castle levels
You could replay them if you hold down L+R I think

>>2531682
>L+R on a NES
Sure champ, whatever you say.

I don't know what it is but I've never been able to get into 2d platformers, at least the Mario ones. I can appreciate some other platformers, but Mario just doesn't do it for me, for some reason.

>>2531687
He was talking about Super Mario World

>>2531680
>balanced just a little better

in what way?

>>2531652
That's not what replay value means.

One of the good things about Super Mario Bros 3 is the fact that it punishes the average gamer for taking the quick way through the game. In the original SMB, a player could use the warp zones to make a speed run. In SMB 3 you can toot your way to the final world easily but for the average gamer, if you don't have several Super Leafs, Tanooki suit and various other power ups you are screwed. Of course for a skilled gamer, this isn't much of an issue but that is a limited demographic.
My main complaint with the game is the fact that the final word is dark, which really ruins the atmosphere.

>>2531710
>the final word is dark, which really ruins the atmosphere

THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF THE ATMOSPHERE!

>>2531710
I always wanted to know how that dark room in world 8 looked like.

>>2531682
yes, on the US and EUR versions of the game. however the JP version won't let you replay them, L+R pressed or not pressed

>>2531687
if you'd followed this thread of conversation, it's about SMW

>>2531710
>My main complaint with the game is the fact that the final word is dark, which really ruins the atmosphere.

You've got to be kidding me...

I recently did a no-powerups run in SMW and SMB3, playing every level at least once and not using warps to skip sections of levels.

Both games were fully beatable without powerups with only very few exceptions. SMW went from piss-easy to easy, while SMB3 went from easy to challenging. The koopa kids are trickier in SMB3 while they took little effort in SMW. I kept fucking up against Ludwig in SMB3, while I killed him on the first try in SMW.

There is a "secret" exit in Forest of Illusion that is required to progress, but you must be Super Mario in order to spin-jump on top of a block and break it to access a pipe. I think there were only two or three moments like this in the whole game. Additionally, you have levels like in special world that will require the use of p-balloons.

In Super Mario Bros 3, there is a level that, aside from using something like a p-wing, requires you to collect starman in order to survive running across a floor of munchers. One of the fortresses requires you to be Super Mario in order to break blocks and access a p-switch.

Super Mario Bros 3 is chock-full of tricky enemies and obstacles that you'd normally be able to tank because power-ups are so plentiful, and Mario reverts to his super form instead of his small form in the localized version. A no-powerups run is significantly less forgiving than playing the localized game, since you can safely take zero hits instead of two.

Looking back, Super Mario World seemed to be much more tame than Super Mario Bros 3. I can't imagine how stupidly easy it would be if it had SMB3's damage system on top of having Yoshi. Nevermind that the cape is so broken that you could effortlessly fly over at least half of the game.


Oh, also Super Mario Bros 3 has quite a few auto-scrolling stages. Yes, quite a few. A minimum of one in every world, but usually far more. This challenge made me come to despise them. Though I did like the one auto-scrolling stage near the end that wasn't slow as fuck.

Based on popularity, I'd say SMB3 takes the gold for "best" platformer, although I personally thought Yoshi's Island was a much stronger game. It just never had the same following as SMB3.

As for best game overall, I want to say Vagrant Story. If we're going non-retro, then Fallout: New Vegas. Of course, not everybody likes RPGs. They don't tend to see nearly the same sales figures as platformers.

Not even the best game of it's generation.
Not even the best game of it's console.
Not even the best Mario game.
Not even the best version of the game.

>>2531803
he has a point, it's all green lands and blue skies then outta nowhere you're in a wasteland with tanks and skulls and lava

Found a couple of small mario only SMB3 runs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayNcniXWFYE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKvdh69YGwY

>>2531947
>Not even the best version of the game.

all stars completely ruins the artstyle

>>2531934

Vagrant Story? Come on now. I think OP was trying to be objective.

>>2531672
Pics or it didn't happen.

>>2531947
>Not even the best game of it's console.

Name a better NES game...

>Not even the best game of it's generation.

The other consoles of that generation were the SMS and Atari 7800, you're not going to find a better game than SMB 3 on those consoles.

>>2532604
And even then, Atari 7800 is more Gen 2-1/2 than Gen 3.

>>2532604
>Name a better NES game...
Kirby's Adventure

>>2532631
Kirby is more technically sophisticated than SMB3, but definitely an easier game.

>>2532631
I love Kirby, the graphics and music are certainly better, but the game is much too easy to say it's better than SMB3

IF ur a baby. YES

>>2532640
Alright, /vr/ is way shittier than usual the last couple of days. Why?

SMB3 has a reputation for high difficulty, but then again Mega Man 1 was supposed to the hardest in that series and I've beaten it without too much difficulty.

>>2531710
Are you stupid?

>>2532631
I like Kirby, but it's literally made for babies. It was designed to be an easy game for small children and people who had never played video games before.

>>2532645
>SMB3 has a reputation for high difficulty

Seriously?

>>2531956
You're right. World 8 was definitely the first world that featured airships that fired cannons at you and lava-filled castles.

>>2532645
People only say Mega Man 1 is hard because they're used to relying on E-tanks to recover their crippling health. That, and they can't figure out that the Yellow Devil only has one pattern.

>>2532983
I'm gonna let you in on a little secret - MM1 is the only game in the series I've played. I'll get around to the others eventually. But yeah, it's not that hard once you build up some muscle memory.

MM1 must actually be easier than the later games if only because you don't have to write down a stupid password save, which I hate.

>>2532929
I kind of disagree. KA does get kind of hard in the later levels. Especially that digging boss guy. Hate him.

>>2533043
How do you even die to that boss? All he does is run away and give you free ammunition to use against him.

>>2533043
Kirby is easy throughout the entire game. Even on Extra Game.

Well...you must understand that Kirby's Adventure came out after Nintendo decided to tone down the difficulty of their games (which began with SMW).

>>2533043
there is only one remotely hard Kirby game in existence.

Dream Course.

>>2533043
>KA does get kind of hard in the later levels.
Maybe based on the relative ease of the rest of the game but no, you can literally fly through half the game without any problems.

FWIW, I found SMB2 to be the easiest of the NES Marios.

>>2533053
But that's not even remotely chall- ooooh I get it

>>2533087
I can't do golf, man.

>>2530636
Tetris is the best, if we're trying to be objective.
TGM (or one of the clones) are probably the best versions.

>>2531608
Also
>levels with two exists resulting in different overworld paths
>star world
>special world
all of my nostalgia for SMW

>>2532631
best game ever.

>>2533291
Not when this exists.

>>2531776
There's a glitch that will let you see it. It's entirely full of skulls.

>>2530664
The graphics are good but SMB3 has my least favorite Mario sprite.

>>2533327
I like it better than the SMW sprite.

>>2533330
To each their own. I just find the red and black color scheme ugly.

>>2533331
Technical limitations. Mario 3 came out at the time that sprite artists had learned that when working with low-res sprites with small color palettes, having solid black outlines was best for giving your graphics readable contours. Even if it meant sacrificing one of the 3 colors you had per palette toward those outlines. Maybe they could have swapped the black with blue and given him blue overalls and outlines like in SMB2USA, but since NES games share palettes a lot, that would have also affected things like Piranha Plants, red Koopas, Super Mushrooms, etc.

>>2533362
There we go. The PPU lets you have 25 colors onscreen at once, 12 of them for sprites and 13 for the background, plus sprites are limited to three colors each.

>>2533365
The NES palette is pretty awful anyway and the attribute system even worse (>palette based on NTSC values instead of RGB values).

>>2533368
I thought they did a good job with the NES palette conisdering the limitations. It works well and is aesthetically pleasing. Compare it to the palettes of the personal computers of the early 80s.

>>2533389
>Compare it to the palettes of the personal computers of the early 80s
The Commodore 64 palette isn't bad, but I know you're referring to the IBM PC and Apple II here.

Calling it "pretty awful" without giving some sort of context or explanation is not a good point.

>>2532368
Why? I think it looks fine