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2517461 No.2517461 [Reply] [Original]

What is the cutoff year for you?
At which point do video games become archaic to the point you can't enjoy them?

>> No.2517467

FFVI is the oldest game I really enjoyed. Haven't played any older though..

>> No.2517469

Really any console before NES. The Atari systems were trash.

>> No.2517471

Something like 2012. Because fuck shitty graphics.

>> No.2517476

I'd have to say pre-2600 with the exception of classics like pong

>> No.2517483

>>2517461
No such thing. You're either interested in a game or you're not.

If a game was always well designed, age is only a number.

>> No.2517484

1978 or so? That's when Space Invaders was released and I like that one a whole bunch.
Games didn't get really good until a half decade later, give or take, though.

>> No.2517492

>>2517469

Yeah, about 1985 for me.

>> No.2517494

1995 is the cutoff year where games become modern enough where I can't enjoy them.

There is no old cutoff point because only idiots can't enjoy something good no matter how old it is.

>> No.2517497

Anything pre-NES, so 1985-ish or so at least for console games.

>> No.2517501

I think every era has something to offer, and really I love old archaic feeling technology, so that wouldn't even be a turn off for me.

>> No.2517502

Never because I'm not a pleb who belongs on /v/.

>> No.2517506

>>2517497
>>2517492
I agree with this. I just couldn't enjoy anything before the NES. NES onward is great, though.

>> No.2517517

>>2517506
Mind going into further detail?

>> No.2517518

>>2517467
you are literally the type of person that is ruining this board, plz go

>> No.2517526
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2517526

Centipede is the earliest video game I can still enjoy. There are a handful of other titles around the same generation that I'll play on occasion: Gauntlet, Gauntlet II, Millipede, Paperboy, Rampage, Joust 2, Galaga, Lady Bug, and maybe a few others I can't think of off hand.

I actually buy emulated arcade compilations sometimes. I still play pic related to beat my previous high scores. I never cared for the really early console ports, though. Everything ported to 2600 was substandard at best.

>> No.2517527

>>2517461
I understand where you were trying to go with this OP, but I think you made a mistake by calling it a "cut off year", because at least to me, having a cut off date implies that you actively won't enjoy anything from past a certain time, like if you are playing a game and found that you loved it, but after found out it was made before you cutoff year you would be like "oops, can't play this" and then act like you thought it was horrible all along.

>> No.2517531

>>2517494
You do realize the irony of those two statements?

>> No.2517532

I don't have a cutoff year. Any game is good as long as it is compelling. M.U.L.E. is a good example.

>> No.2517536

Console games? I'll play anything, even Atari 2600 games.

PC games? No 8-bit home computers and no DOS games before 1990. You paid 1/4th as much for computer games and got 1/4th the fun.

>> No.2517570

>>2517469
>>2517492
>>2517506
Agreed gen 2 and younger is a little rough unless you were there for it's heyday

>> No.2517578

There are still great 2600 games even though I wouldn't enjoy most, so I can't say anything categorically.
I have cut offs for some genres, for instance Dungeon Master is the first RPG I've been able to honestly enjoy despite my efforts. But who knows, I may find some lesser known game that I like.

>> No.2517617

>>2517484
I would more say a decade later, when video games were, for lack of better words, defined themselves more. If that makes sense. Or at least defined themselves into more recognizable states by today's standards.

>> No.2517623

>>2517494
Yeah when I saw the first sentence "2003 or so" popped into my head and then I realize he was just an idiot from /v/

>> No.2517627

I don't really consider this an issue because the computers and consoles themselves are what interests me, I don't actually play video games that often.

>> No.2517629

>>2517623
You should have realized he was an idiot from /v/ from the picture he posted

>> No.2517630

>>2517467
obvious troll>>2517461

>> No.2517632

1962

>> No.2517634

>>2517461
It's not about the year. Atari is just shit.

>> No.2517635

No, I don't have a cutoff. Arcade games to me were always good even if console versions were highly inferior to their original arcade counterparts.

>> No.2517639

1979

Namco started putting out a lot of great arcade titles after that

Galaxian, Pac-Man, Galaga, Rally X, Mrs Pac Man, Dig Dug.

>>2517497
>>2517492
If your cut off is 1985 then you miss the golden years of the arcade.

>> No.2517654

>>2517634
This, AD&D on Intellivison is still legitimately fun, that's just the first thing I thought of, RPGs in genera, if theyre well made, don't "age" in the same sense most games do, for the simple reason they're primarily based on text and static images, they don't really benefit from modern flash like most genres. Zork and DND (the PLATO one) still stand up despite the fact they're going on 40 years old. It's much more like playing and actual tabletop game, which hasn't changed much since the beginning

>> No.2517664

>>2517639
>If your cut off is 1985 then you miss the golden years of the arcade.

But they can build rep and try to be as cool as the NES kids.

>> No.2517679

>>2517469
I grew up with an Atari 2600, and I agree. That's my line.

>> No.2517684

>>2517679
The Atari 2600 was bad not the whole generation

>> No.2517687

>>2517461
anything older than pong is shit

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>>2517461
>At which point do video games become archaic to the point you can't enjoy them?
ITT:
Kids that need to get the fuck back to >>>/v/

>> No.2517690

>>2517517
I felt that pre-NES games were too primitive to be enjoyable, in short. Atari was actually the first console I played, but I was never interested in video games until my uncle got an NES.

>> No.2517693
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2517693

Anything like this. I just can't play them for more than 5 minutes. The novelty wears off.

>> No.2517697

>>2517689

dumb cirnoposter

>> No.2517704

I enjoy games from before '85 (atari and older) differently. I mean
>that must have been cool for the time
and competitive aspect of them is nice (when you have friend willing to play with you for a high-score)
but games after '85 (FC and newer) I enjoy like
>cool mechanics
>I want to see the ending/last boss

>> No.2517709

>>2517704
>>that must have been cool for the time
so you're saying that they are shit now

>> No.2517710

If you can't appreciate games regardless of when they were made, maybe you should find a different hobby.

>> No.2517717

>>2517709
No, I like them more because of their "historic aspect" and influence.

Like rotary joysticks and vector graphics.

>> No.2517718
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2517718

>pre-nes games are primitive
get educated plebs

>> No.2517723

I don't bother looking for any games to play older than 1986 personally, but I still play Space Invaders, Galaga and Star Force once in a blue moon. I would just need someone else to point out oldies from that period for me to get into.

>> No.2517741

When did this "2600 is bad" meme start? There's a ton of fun games on the VCS -- River Raid, HERO, Demon Attack, Kaboom, Missle Command, Pitfall 1 & 2, many classics. They don't have they depth that modern games do, but they're on par with the early years of Famicom. I can only guess that people download a rom pack of all 2600 games, flip through them on an emulator in a matter of minutes, say it's crap and move on.

>> No.2517769

>>2517723
>I don't bother looking for any games to play older than 1986
>>2517492
>about 1985 for me.
>>2517497
>Anything pre-NES, so 1985-ish
Ms. Pac Man
Dig Dug
Galaga
Joust
Robotron 2084
Frogger
Q Bert
Mario Bros
Defender
Donkey Kong
Sinistar
Missle Command
Asteroids

>> No.2517791

>>2517769
but arcades were couple years ahead of consoles and when someone is saying "pre-NES" he probably means "pre-NES consoles"

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>> No.2517838

>>2517461
anything before NES era.
There are a few good Atari games but I just cant. Some arcade ports are ok but there are better versions of them on "newer" systems so they feel sort of obsolete.

>> No.2517851

I don't know. I think the oldest game I really like is Night Driver from 76, so even if I had a "cutoff point" it wouldn't be so comprehensive.

>> No.2517867

Nobody mentioned Breakout, that was the 2600 game I got the most into. Really fun.

>> No.2517870

>>2517791
>but arcades were couple years ahead of consoles and when someone is saying "pre-NES" he probably means "pre-NES consoles"
It really just means "Atari 2600" I'd bet, other old consoles were more in line with classic arcade games, and old PC games still generate interest, if only as ports.

>> No.2517908

>>2517617
But 1983 is when Mario Bros., Pac & Pal, Punch-Out!, and Bomberman were all released, not to mention Famicom. I like lots of older games, which is why I went as far back as '78, but '83 is when games started to beef up.

>> No.2517927

>>2517718
Was PLATO more capable in terms of computing power than the NES?

>> No.2517928

An intelligent answer to this question should be in 3 parts.

Consoles: Anything older than NES is rough.
Computer: Probably the oldest computer game that I *REALLY* loved was Wasteland from 1987.
Arcade: No cutoff.

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trigger warning

>> No.2517951

>>2517461
Really anything pre-NES outside of a handful is basically it.

Atari games just aren't that fun to me.

>> No.2518020

>>2517927
It was network of mainframes, I would imagine in raw power yes but its not really a fair comparison. Most of the terminal models were completely dumb, later ones had some computing abilities

>> No.2518027

To be honest, only the best NES and SMS games hold my interest, though I enjoy plenty of arcade games from before that era. There are like two 2600 games I like.

>> No.2518029

>>2517639
>1979
good year, I agree, I love me some arcade.

>> No.2518035

This thread is awful

>> No.2518047

Don't really have one as long as it's a programmable computer system with loadable software. I can play 2600 games just for the nostalgia.

I do programming for a living (I'm autistic) so I like to see what programmers in the past were able to code up plus I was pretty poor growing up so I never had the chance to geek out with those systems like I can do now.

>> No.2518059

>>2518047
>justifying a completely legitimate profession by saying "I'm autistic"

Where do you people come from?

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>> No.2518072

can't bother playing anything on atari besides yar's revenge
yeah sure the galaga and space invaders ports are nice but that's also available on every other system

>> No.2518075

>>2518072
oh never mind I mean galaxian

>> No.2518102

>>2518059
To be fair, meticulous pointless precision and a one track mind seem well suited to programming

>>2518072
What about battlezone?

>> No.2518104

NES and older. There are a handful of NES games I can enjoy to an extent, but everything else for it and before it are lost on me.

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>>2518102
that's cool too, and enduro racer, river raid and pitfall

that's the whole library right there

>> No.2518115

>>2518104
same

>> No.2518118

>>2517461
I don't have one really. Every era tends to have at least something I have fun with.

PS2 era and onward's normally when games become unfun for me.

>> No.2518123

More people should play yar's revenge.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIwLL2XaFiU

>> No.2518130

2006 for me, usually when xbox/microsoft got really big and games were overrun by the pleb masses that now control the market.

I was surprised to see dates going as far back as into the 80s, are you guys in your forties/fifties? I'm only in my twenties.

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>>2518072

There's some recommendations on pic related, but there's too many homebrew games

>> No.2518135

>>2518104
>>2518115
Go back to /v/, please

>> No.2518137

>>2518114
>that's the whole library right there
what about midnight magic and warlords?

>> No.2518150

>>2518130
You're doing it backwards, Anon-kun, read OP again.

And yes, there's a contingent of older guys here.

>> No.2518157

>>2518137
funny that you mention that, the first time I played warlords was in the lunar bonus disc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqW2si1hjjQ

>> No.2518185

>>2518157
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqW2si1hjjQ
This is the kind of stuff that used to drive people insane when Working Designs was localizing stuff. It's cute and all, but we just wanted to play the fucking game instead of having it delayed for another year while they made trading cards, "making of" videos, chintzy digital watches, or other swag that people will toy around with for a minute. Or like this video, "we're adding features" or making making adjustments/rebalancing the japanese game, etc. Used to drives fans absolutely mad back in the day.

Quite telling that once the market opened up to Japanese games, Working Designs fell by the wayside rather quickly.

>> No.2518198

>>2518150
>And yes, there's a contingent of older guys here.

Yeah...they look like the World of Warcraft guy in South Park. Imagine some fat sweaty 35-40 year old man in a stained undershirt surrounded by MLP plushies as he's typing posts on /vr/.

>> No.2518205

>>2518185
I agree with everything you said, but in this case most people who played lunar didn't even know that minigame existed.

>> No.2518206

>>2517461

Fucking summer it´s here

For me there is no point. I can enjoy all games but if I play something like Berserk adrenaline goes up and I get a little void feeling in my hearth, like I need more story and things to do.

>> No.2518213

Computer games from pre-1986 are fine, console games not so much.

>> No.2518230

>>2518198
That feel good to get that off your chest?

>> No.2518241

>>2518230
Well, it's not untrue.

>> No.2518243

>>2518198
We have threads occasionally, and it turns out a lot of us are married, employed, and boring. I'm sure there's a bunch of bearded weebs, although much like hipsters, nobody is one and nobody's actually seen one.

>> No.2518246

>>2518243
>We have threads occasionally, and it turns out a lot of us are married, employed, and boring

Rainbow Dash doesn't really count as a wife. I guess that McDonalds job your mom made you get is employment though, right?

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>>2518243
>although much like hipsters, nobody is one and nobody's actually seen one.
Have you never been to college before or something?

>> No.2518279

>>2518256
Everybody claims they're not a hipster and everyone else are hipsters except them. Same as weebs. So I'm inclined to believe everyone here is an autistic hipster neckbeard faggot.

>> No.2518442

>>2518198
I think we're just boring old fucks. This is easily the oldest board on 4chan by far.

>> No.2518457

>>2517461
I like PONG, so...

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>>2518442
>This is easily the oldest board on 4chan by far.
>The board about old video games is the oldest one compared to the boards about cooking, owning cars, traveling or 3D modelling
Who are you kidding?

>> No.2518476

>>2518473
I see the most people admitting to being >30 here compared to other boards.

>> No.2518492

>>2517461
there is no year

but there are shitty mechanics that i don't put up with anymore

see: dragon quest's fuckawful user interface

>> No.2518494

>>2518473
>cooking, owning cars, traveling or 3D modelling
I don't see how any of these things correlate to age

>> No.2518514

>>2518476
>I see the most people admitting to being >30 here compared to other boards

There's a few old fat unemployed neckbeards and mostly just teenagers who watched AVGN videos on Youtube. Most people here aren't over 30 or even 25.

>> No.2518526

>>2517461
I don't have one. I can enjoy games regardless how old. It'll take a while to adjust to games with simplistic graphics or have no music, but I'll still enjoy them.

>> No.2518538

>>2518514
I said I see the most here compared to other boards, not that it's a majority.

>fat unemployed neckbeards and mostly just teenagers
Which are you? :^)

>> No.2518547

>>2518494
The cost and dedication to doing either of those things is far higher than playing an old video game which tons of younger people do out of some sense of nostalgia or because they saw somebody popular on youtube playing an older game. You don't see kids out there buying a car or traveling the world because they saw somebody on youtube doing it do you? That's because you need money and time for those things and money and time is something you only have if you were already born rich or if you worked hard to get where you are.

>> No.2518610

>>2517461
roughly most of the second gen
I can still play a few of my VCS games without a doubt and enjoy the fuck out of them and obviously the arcades of the 80s were still strong but I can't see myself really getting a strong enjoyment out of most of the libraries on consoles

>> No.2521073

>>2517469
>tfw had a zx spectrum and hated every bit of it.

I guess I would be in the same boat as the anon i'm replying to. Anything before the nes I cant enjoy.

>> No.2521079

30 years from now people are going to have threads on the Psychic-net:

>What's the cut off year for you

and people will reply with

>I can't stand anything before 2020

>> No.2521121

I genuinely don't like NES or Master System games too much but I admire them nevertheless, I just won't spend hours playing them over and over. Games cannot be 'too old'. Whether it's Pong or some modern game a games quality will never change. A good game will always be good

>> No.2521138

>>2517469

I feel like a rarity, being under 30 and loving pre-NES consoles. I am surprised people don't discuss them more but retro gamer act like only arcades existed until the Famicom came along.

>> No.2521161

>>2517483
Yeah but tbh anything before 95 was designed like shit.

>> No.2521380

>>2521161
>anything before 95 was designed like shit.
Speak for yourself.

For me the limit is about 1985. I can get into a few older games like Elite, but only a few.

>> No.2521403

>>2521161
>tbh
/int/ cancer please go

>> No.2521405

In the near future, people are going to be nostalgic for Facebook and Twitter.

>> No.2521429

>>2521405
>Time marches on

Wow, man, I had no idea. That is some seriously deep shit.

>> No.2521685

Dude anything is fun if you have friends. Even the odyssey is fucking hilarious if you have 2-4 people.
For singleplayer though i'd have to say the nes is the oldest retro I can enjoy consistently. Fun atari 2600/colecovision/odyssey 2 games are few and far between.

>> No.2523934

>>2521405
Yes, the same type of people who miss myspace will miss those.
I sincerely hope you don't know any of those people.

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It's the other way for me. I'm interested in all old games up through 16-bit computer, console, and arcade games. That includes stuff like Neo-Geo, which has 16-bit M68000 cpu and 8-bit Z80 co-processor (and many arcade boards also setup with co-processors).

Pic-related is the map for Hunt the Wumpus, an old BASIC game that originated on mainframes.

>> No.2524026

Somewhere in the 70's. I grew up with NES, but I remember having a ton of fun with Defender that my uncle used to have.

>> No.2524060

>>2518547
>all young people only like old games because of AVGN

>> No.2524061

>>2517461
There isn't one. Archaicness is really based on the game itself. Controls are really what get me more than anything. One of the reasons I also avoid emulating C64/Amiga as much as I do because the fucking keyboard mapping is a pain to deal with.

There were decent old games with decent controls and so fourth. Though a lot is lost on novelty games which it was their only real point. I've never been a fan of high scores for the same reason I'm not a fan of achievements. Good gameplay and a good time playing is it's own reward.

>> No.2524063

>>2521685
>Dude anything is fun if you have friends.
Some games are worse with friends. Plenty actually. Old and modern.

>> No.2524073

1969

Honestly I don't have a huge interest in games, more the systems themselves, which means I have a much longer range back in time I can legitimately enjoy systems. Also I don't know if I'm easily entertained but games like Kill the Bit and lunar lander games keep me entertained for a good 20 minutes every so often.

Plus, I mostly like RPGs when it comes to real games and like an anon said above, those are completely suited for older systems and never really age because most of the early ones are just single player table-tob games

>> No.2524074

1990. There are a few exceptions, but that year sounds about right.

>> No.2524078

Probably whenever the Odyssey was around.
Born in 1992
First console was an N64
Still played the shit out of Circus and a few other games on the Atari 2600 when I was growing up

>> No.2524082

>>2524078
That text in spoilers was completely unnecessary

>> No.2524126

I don't think I'd like the Magnavox Odyssey really, so that.

>> No.2524135

>>2517461
i don't even play a lot of vr its the harware that i like. all those obscure systems and lost potential. but i lose interest in most of them pre-nes. but i love pcs back as far as they go so the line gets fuzzy.

>> No.2524157

>>2521405
I don't see people getting nostalgic for Facebook until something kills it like it did with myspace. The thing has been around for over 10 years already.

>> No.2524179

I can enjoy Atari games, early 80s arcade games, and the like. Just not for very long periods of time. I never have cared about playing for score, so pacman type games are fun for a few minutes then its time to shut them off.

The graphics and especially sound effects are always cool in the old ones.

>> No.2524191

>>2517531
>irony
Old games are quality. New games are trash.

>> No.2524207

>>2517469
But what about arcade games?

>> No.2524227

>>2524191
After a certain amount of time those new games eventually become old games.

>> No.2524231

>>2524207
80s arcades were cool, we should talk more about them

>> No.2524349

>>2517578
What about Zork? Rogue isn't really an RPG but what about Rogue? Treasure of Tarmin for the Intellivison is also good.

>> No.2524354

>>2524349
zork and text games do get mentioned sometimes, just not as much as crawlers like ultima and wizardry.

>> No.2524387

>>2517536
>no DOS games before 1990
Not even Ultima?

>> No.2524394

for Arcade games and their ports any age is fine as they are all good fun and playable. I play plenty of Arcade ports still
Consoles though I hate the Atari, NES is the oldest console I still have fun with

>> No.2524443

>>2524354
Ultima is hardly a crawler aside from Underworld and Pagan.

>>2524387
Ultima before 1990 is an Apple II series.

>> No.2524454

>>2517927
By orders of magnitude yes. Hop on cyber1 sometime and see

>> No.2524480

I actually can't stand 90% of NES games. Even the supposedly good ones are frustratingly primitive sometimes.

Although the more abstract Atari and arcade games I still find fun.

No game is too old I guess

>> No.2524486

>>2524480
I like your post. Too many people blatantly sucking the NES dick for no reason.

>> No.2524497

>>2524486

My problem with it is I just didn't grow up with it. My first console was an SNES and it had all the same sorts of games, just better versions of them. I look back at pre-NES consoles and games as genuinely "old" but NES games (most of them anyway, there are still enough to justify me owning one) are just the games I have already, just worse.

>> No.2524503

>>2524497
I think the NES games you see as "old" popped up on every console in different shapes and forms, and continue to pop up to this very day.

When a game is fun, designed to take the best out of a platform, it doesn't matter where it belongs.

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2524509

The 80's with mostly arcades and nes.

>> No.2524512

I judge on a game-by-game basis. Usually the simpler stuff holds up better.

Like, Super Mario Bros is still enjoyable because it was so simple. Fallout was great way back when, but I've struggled to replay it because the UI is clunky and moving back and forth around the areas is kinda laborious sometimes.

>> No.2524517

>>2524443
its not like Apple II is much better than DOS

>> No.2524530

First gen outside of Pong. Second gen has some consoles I just can't stand either, like Colecovision and Intellivision. I just can't do those.

>> No.2524626

>>2524517
I would say it's better than CGA+speaker, which includes most early DOS games.

The Apple CPU was much weaker, and had less memory, etc. But overall I think it was a better gaming machine than early IBM PC.

Of course, that pretty much describes every 8-bit home computer with more graphics and sound than your average CP/M box. IBM PC was a machine for offices, not so much for gaming and other hobbyist stuff. It sure was expensive too, compared to the other stuff you could buy those days.

It wasn't until PCjr and Tandy 1000 that things start to get interesting for games. But even those couldn't really compete against C64, Amstrad, and MSX.

Now if you add EGA+Adlib, then you're talking. It's still not as nice overall as your average Atari ST or Amiga 500, but still good enough for lots of games. However, you'd still have paid more money for the PC than either of those machines.

tl;dr - in the 80's, PC was shit for gaming

>> No.2524643

>>2524626
>CGA+speaker

You realize Apple II displayed graphics by exploiting the NTSC/PAL composite artifacts? CGA basically did the same and you could play games which easily reached 16 colors. Sierra AGI games are an example of this.

>> No.2524672

>>2524643
Sierra wouldn't touch IBM PC until the PCjr. They considered it not well-suited for games.

>> No.2524687

>>2524672
Except the part where AGI games were included CGA modes for both RGB and composite.

>> No.2524706

>>2524687
Maybe it made sense to includes those *after* writing the game for PCjr. I mean, from a business POV, it was only a little more work to support those less-capable CGA machines.
But until the PCjr came along, they weren't too keen on the IBM PC. They're even on record for saying so in interviews.

>> No.2524724

>>2524706
>it was only a little more work

Exactly. They were lazy enough to ignore IBM PCs until presented with a better alternative that the Commodore64/AppleII duo came up, which could even get as much as 320x200 4bit pixels on screen, but they didn't even upgrade their games to support this at all until the very late remakes. PCjrs didn't make a difference for those games, if not for the SN76489 speaker. They could've just supported the IBM PCs since the beginning and waited for the PCjrs to come around. I'm sure there was a good enough userbase for that.

>> No.2524767

>>2524724
Apparently the PCjr did make a big difference to them:
http://www.oldskool.org/shrines/pcjr_tandy/#sierra

Also, I think you overestimate the amount of IBM PCs in home during the early 80's. They were much too expensive... I only ever saw one, and that was in the home of an engineer with many years experience (being an engineer in the 80's = big bucks). Everyone else I knew had Apple II and other 8-bit stuff.

>> No.2524806

>>2524767
How many people had an Apple II outside of education? They weren't much cheaper.

>> No.2524864

>>2524806
Apple II was also expensive, but less than IBM PC. I only knew a couple people with those machines at home. Most people had another 8-bit system instead. By mid-80's quite a few kids at school had an Amstrad CPC, and some lucky ones had Atari ST. Didn't even see an Amiga 500 until the 1991 though. Bought mine the next year, because it impressed me so much! (I was late to the party, only a few years before the end of Commodore...)

Anyway, the PCjr is a bit of an oddity because by 1985 you have other 16-bit machines with much more capable graphics and sound, and just a couple years later you had better and cheaper versions of those machines. For gaming it really made sense to go with Atari and Amiga at that point (or I guess MSX2 if you happened to live somewhere those existed).

>> No.2525128

The NES game has to be really, really top tier. Otherwise no. No matter how good the gameplay is, the music and graphics are dealbreakers for me, they're just too primitive compared to SNES.

No this doesn't also occur with 3D in the same way. PSone and N64 graphics don't greatly detract from the game.

>> No.2525145

I grew up with atari, nes and sms. But I really can't tolerate anything below snes and megadrive. I'll make a few exceptions for shit like kickle cubicle, the magic of scheherazade, monster land and phantasy star but that's mostly it. Also can't stand most things past 2001. I could easily say 1990-2000 was the sweet spot.

>> No.2525152

Pre NES with a few exceptions. That's only for consoles though, there are a lot of arcade games I enjoy that came out before the NES.

>> No.2525154

>>2517483

This

Adventure is great you fags.

>> No.2525172

>>2525128
Bad 3D is so much worse than bad 2D what is wrong with you?

>> No.2525202

Some 2600 games are good by taking advantage of its almost direct rendering to make for real fast shooter games. I never really got into NES, but love the Genesis.

And I love me some '80s coin-ops. Mid '80s was my college years and I got to play Spy Hunter, Joust, Gravitar, Gauntlet, Out Run, Tempest...
tfw two of the arcades you went to were in a now dead mall that's become a major internets hosting company

>> No.2525229

>>2517461
Never. Most games aren't something I'll sit down and play for ah hour straight but many are still fun for a quick play. But I'm one of those freakishly old guys who plays pool without a smart phone.

>> No.2526062

Someone should take a snapshot of the catalog right now and figure out the average age of the games being discussed, might be helpful.

I'd do it but I'm a lazy millennial.

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>>2517461
I don't judge games based on the year of release.

>> No.2526621

About the point of the Magnavox Odyssey, and simple Pong-type consoles. Tried to do it; can't do it. I can imagine how it was a real "Ooh, aah!" thing back in the early 70s when it came out, but there ain't nothing fun about controlling a dot. With all the stuff you need outside of the game itself, you might as well just play a board game.

A lotta people shitting on the 2600 here, but even that has some real gems of games.

>> No.2526704

>>2526621
>but there ain't nothing fun about controlling a dot

>>>/v/
>>>/out/

>> No.2526750

>>2525172
There is nothing wrong with me, I just have a different opinion to you fuckwit. That was a stupid thing to say "what's wrong with you".

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2526765

>>2526704
>has never played a Magnavox Odyssey

>> No.2526781

>>2526704
Dude, the Odyssey is not all that great, the only reason it's not shat on today is because of its influence. Pong consoles though are simple fun.

>> No.2526808

Mid-'90s with the exception of really simple or classic arcade/early console games, I was always more in it for the hardware than anything.

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>>2517461
67,000,000,000,000,000,000 B.C.

I honestly can find games I enjoy from any time period.

>> No.2527957

>>2524443
The Ultimas were released on DOS starting in 1983.

>> No.2527994

>>2517461

Like many people in this thread, anything before the NES I can't really enjoy. (The ol' nessy is probably my favourite system though, so many good games and because it was 8bit the gameplay really shines through)

Don't really care for arcade games but presumably there must have been playable ones before the NES due to arcades being more advanced than consoles

>> No.2528247

>>2524191
>>2517494
>only idiots can't enjoy something good no matter how old it is.

Yet you're disregarding games because of how old they are too. By how they are "not old" yet.
Thats irony right there. Its pretty ignorant to group games by either "old" and "new" and completely disregard either side.

>> No.2528285

>>2517461
2011 and forward it seems

i went from playing all types of games to playing 1-2 games a year that come out, most of which i barely even finish.

i can still enjoy old games like it's no ones business.

>> No.2528398

>>2524497
But Zelda 1 is better than aLttP, Anon. Or are you into S&M and enjoy being dragged about by the short-and-curlies?

>> No.2528412

Year isn't really a factor for me. If there's one thing I can't handle it's CGA. I think I handled it alright as a kid in the late 80's and all but, I was recently on some playing old DOS games binge and I was playing some game with CGA graphics and had to close it within 3 minutes because, I was getting an absolutely massive headache. It was a horrible experience. I have no idea why I had such an extreme reaction but yeah, I stay the fuck away from CGA graphic games.

>> No.2528415

I was born in 1987, and I don't think I have a cut off point. At least, not one that I can't find numerous exceptions to.

I find things can get pretty shitty prior to 1980, but even the 70's had still Space Invaders, Lunar Lander, Asteroids, and of course, Pong on the Magnavox Odyssey, so while there's less prior to 1980 that I find enjoyable, there's still things there.

And I don't know how anyone can fail to find at least some of those enjoyable.

But that's just me.

>> No.2528421

>>2517461
>What is the cutoff year for you?
None as long as there's graphics. They start to get hard to play after 5th gen though because they drag on too long or have obnoxious unskippable tutorials at the start.

>> No.2528429

The NES. I can't enjoy anything that came before that

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>>2527957
I think he means the early Ultima games were originally released for Apple II, and then ported to other platforms. Kinda like Golden Axe was originally released on Sega System 16 arcade boards, and then ported to many other platforms.

Was it RGB or composite mode? I think the composite stuff looks okay (pic related is fun game) but most CGA games seems to only be coded for RGB, and don't advantage of composite. Even so, some RGB games manage to look nice, Popcorn for example (you can't really play this one in dosbox though, so try another, more exact emulator...)

>> No.2528503

>>2528496
Second paragraph was reply to >>2528412

>> No.2530272

>>2517718
Dem rings! <3

>> No.2530275

>>2518063
We can agree on that.

>> No.2530540

>>2528398

The nonlinearity and freedom of exploration in Zelda 1 is nice but the smoothness of control and more well paced and structured gameplay experience of ALttP makes it a much more enjoyable game.

Zelda 2 is an interesting game though, as its structure and gameplay design is a lot more akin to 3D Zelda than traditional 2D Zelda.

>> No.2531456

Most early text based games or early RPGs or early adventures. If its an action based game, I could get into it no matter when it was released.

>> No.2532369

>>2524231
haunted castle

I just wish I didn't suck so bad at it, even the jap versions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ei1AhZj8aSE


>tfw this song was never used in any other castlevania (to my knowledge anyway)