/vr/ - Retro Games

Sometimes nostalgia does blind people though.

>>2489984
not saying that it can't, but it's a really shitty and presumptuous argument.

>>2489984
It definitely can but man I'm going through Earthbound Zero (bought it on Wii U (Idgaf)) and I'm really enjoying it. The grinding bit sucks but it's a NES RPG. It's a fucking good game and I'm glad I can say it's not because of nostalgia.

>>2489989
I thought I'd dislike grinding in games much more than this, but after playing Dragon Warrior, it's not as troublesome, and the game is literally: Grinding: The Game.
Maybe it's the satisfaction of getting stronger.

>>2489995
I agree but the auto feature makes grinding much less annoying. I sometimes just watch videos on my tv while I grind on the pad. It also helps that these NES RPGs are much shorter than newer shit.

>>2489984
It doesn't blind people, but you do have a very different experience and relationship with a game when if you played it as a kid when you had little knowledge of or experience other games, than there is coming to one as an adult after decades of gaming.

It's like the people here now who like to bitch about how classics like Super Metroid don't live up to their hype. But you have to take context into account, it may well not be a mind blowing game to someone coming to it in 2015. But if you were there in 1994, it was mind blowing and that experience is always with you which is essentially what nostalgia is.

>>2489980
Since I grew up without video games entirely I'm immune to that and most other criticisms like that. My parents were nut jobs.

>>2490007
Work with kids and I got a 3rd grader telling me he has no TV in their house. Now before you think this kid is poor we live in Brooklyn and the school is in a rich part of town.

I can understand not wanting your kid to rotten their brain with shit tv like Spongebob but what about the occasional movie or video game?

>>2490010
Honeslty living in a rich part of town is even worse, you get those upper-middle class health nuts who think that everything is gonna kill you.

>>2490003
No that's all wrong and I think that's in fact what the OP is talking about. You should never talk about an old game by bringing up the "context" of it, that is an insult to the game and old games don't need that bullshit.

What is vastly more true is the reverse: people like what's current because it's current and fashionable. Because it's in the gaming news sites and it's hyped. When it gets boring/grindfest people give it chance after chance and override their own boredom so they can talk shit about it with friends and online, then the game eventually grows in them and they know all about it. This argument about hype is presumptuous as well, but it's at least as valid as the "nostalgia" one.

>Pet peeves in retro gaming / retro gaming community
People that think Earthbound is a good game.

>>2490025
I completely disagree. Context is everything. There are many games that I enjoyed when I was younger that I wouldn't like nearly as much now. I'm not interested in some "objective" appraisal of it, I don't think such a thing even exists. Gaming 'doesn't exist in a void, the more you play, the more refined your opinions get.

To use my example, that someone in 2015 may play Super Metroid and not like it doesn't mean it's an objectively bad game. But it certainly does mean that it was bad for him, and that's what matters. Whether something is good or bad is entirely dependent on whether you enjoyed playing it.

But also I don't pay any attention at all to what's "trending" and what games the youtube celebrities are playing. I couldn't care less about any of that stuff.

>>2490037
Earthbound IS a good game.
It's overrated because of it's uniqueness (RPG series with no sword/board shit)

>>2490025
Why delete your post? Did you realize it was kind of stupid?

>>2490047
It's pretty meh. Take FF6 any day. Or Mario rpg.

>>2490053
Huge FF guy and I would agree that is a better game. I do think Earthbound is better than Mario RPG though. But I mean all 3 of those games are great just in different ways.

>>2490057
Fair enough. I don't think the game is trash. Just not very good.
>>2490051
>>2490042
Na that's bullshit. It has to be taken into context for what it is. Modern gamers are handheld like no tomorrow. Throw a game like Super Metroid at them and they get lost and give up.

You see this shit all the time when some click bait site reviews some old game and knocks it for not having saves, tutorials, etc. Or that one click bait article about the guy complaining Nights into Dreams is too hard because it didn't tell him how to play and he had to learn by trail and error.

And that guy is right about the hype shit. See that time and time again.

>Pet Peeve
Elitists.
This place is either full of them or has a small minority that never stops posting.


>nostalgia blindness
I grew up with a standard Nintendo and jumped to a Nintendo 64 when it was available, even then we couldn't afford many games to go with them. I didn't own a Super Nintendo as a kid. The only time I got to experience it was at my sister's friend's place, and we only played Donkey Kong Country, Mario Paint, and Spider-Man and Venom: Maximum Carnage (bit of an outlier).

It wasn't until very recently that I got into emulation and I can finally play all of the "over-hyped garbage" that /vr/ claims is all nostalgia-bait. After playing a few obvious titles like Super Metroid, EarthBound, and Super Mario World, I can safely say that the games are enjoyable and certainly deserve the hype they get.

So to me, the "blinded by nostalgia" argument that people like to regurgitate all over this board doesn't really mean much, and I generally label people using it as bitter retards or trolls.

>You weren't there, you don't get it, stop pretending to like it.
This is a very pathetic one that somehow pops up every now and then. Basically the older generation trying to instill superiority over the younger one.
If it's a good game, it doesn't fucking matter when you play it or how old you are.

The nostalgia argument is absolutely retarded when pulled on people who enjoy these games now and are playing them. The annoying nostalgiafag is one who hasn't played these games since being a kid and just has a vague non-argument like "uhh everything was so better then maan", that grinds my gears.

But really, someone's playing a NES game this year and all the haters can come up with is DURR NOSTALGIA? So what, nostalgia is a fucking super power that makes every older game more fun that they actually are?! Holy shit, I want me some of that juice!

It's sad how far some modern gamers will go to retain their belief that progress is linear and technology-dependent.

>The Genesis sucked. What did it even have next to Sonic, Aladdin and sports games?

>>2490089
I definitely prefer SNES to Mega Drive, but there are so many games on the MD that get overlooked because they're not Sonic. It had a brilliant line-up and put up a damn good fight.

>>2490037
This is exactly what I'm talking about here >>2490003 and here >>2490042

Earthbound is and was a great game, but it relies very heavily on nostalgia itself. It was essentially a "modern retro" game of it's day. Meant to evoke rpgs of an earlier era and the nostalgia of those times. For the people who played it in that context it was delightful.

But people playing it now probably won't have the nostalgia for NES era RPGs to begin with.

>>2490065
>>2490065
>
Na that's bullshit. It has to be taken into context for what it is. Modern gamers are handheld like no tomorrow. Throw a game like Super Metroid at them and they get lost and give up.

You start off saying you disagree, but then you're making the same point I am. Context is highly important to whether someone is going to enjoy a game.

>>2490119
It was more to the guy saying the post was stupid. Should had left your post number out.

>>2490124
Ahh okay, I think we're generally on the same page. A big part of the problem these days in my opinion is with the culture in general. People now seem to just look to youtube and the like for other people to tell them what they should and shouldn't enjoy. They don't just play the games, experience them and decide for themselves.

>>2490127
>People now seem to just look to youtube and the like for other people to tell them what they should and shouldn't enjoy. They don't just play the games, experience them and decide for themselves.
Pretty much.

Another thing that ties into that are the people on here that say modern gaming is good. And they justify it by ignoring all the absolute shit that's in the top sellers.

>>2490114
>but it relies very heavily on nostalgia itself.
That's bullshit. That's true for FF9 but Earthbound? If anything it's just a better version of Earthbound Zero.

Oh wait let me guess you haven't even played that.

>>2490135
Well, the things that are top selling are doing so because that's what appeals to that generation of gamers. There's nothing wrong with that though, if they like Call of Duty they can play it all they want.

The great thing about the gaming market these days though is that it's fucking massive. Orders of magnitude bigger than it was in the 8, 16 and even 32 bit eras. So you don't need to pay any attention to what's most popular at this point. Even pretty niche games get enough support that they can keep going.

And despite the bad (or what seem to you and me to be bad) games out there, there are still tons of new ones that are great as well. It's just there are so many, that the bad ones can seem like a huge wall.

>>2490146
Earthbound was absolutely designed with nostalgia in mind. They made it look exactly like Mother on purpose.

>>2490146
>Oh wait let me guess you haven't even played that.
Right sorry for not playing a game that sold like shit in Japan, was never released in America, and didn't even get a fan translation till years later.

My opinion means nothing because I didn't play an obscure Japan only game. Sorry...

Earthboundtards are by far the worse fucking fanbase on /vr/. Pack of hipsters essentially. You've only proven that.

>>2490151
I just put my blinders on and I can find good games still. Nothing in 7th generation though. Not a damn thing.

"Pet peeves in retro gaming / retro gaming community "
>everyone starts talking about earthbound
fucking idiots

>>2490168
That's a shame, 7th gen has had some of my favorite games of all time. But then, every generation has had games that become all time favorites.

>>2490159
I thought it was just long development making it seem a bit aged when it finally came out?
There's plenty of progressive shit in the game, like fluid 8-directional movement and enemies visible in the overworld to make it seem like they were trying to look forwards.
The look is probably just an aesthetic.

>>2490194
Don't know man. Wii I hate the controller. PS3 and 360 just don't have anything that really appeals to me. Not enough to justify getting a console anyway,

>>2490037
People like you who say that it isn't just because YOU don't think so.

Why does your opinion override the millions of people who love it?

>>2490205
Because elitism.

>>2490168
>Nothing in 7th generation though. Not a damn thing.

Not even stuff like Supreme Commander: Forged Alliance?

>>2490204
Then that's just how it is for you I guess. Just feel a touch bad for you since I saw a lot of good in that gen. I'm totally with you on the Wii controller though, I was very excited about the idea of motion controls but they really turned out to be a bust.

And it is sad when beloved franchises die. Tomb Raider Underworld was incredible and I was hoping it would have revived the series, but it didn't catch on and now Tomb Raider is basically an Uncharted clone and I think Uncharted is one of the absolute worst games ever.

>>2490232
Is that on consoles?
>>2490249
I try my best to never buy games that release broken or have some kind of day 1 dlc. That puts a lot of 7thgen in my never buy list.

Guy People who don't know shit about the landscape of modern gaming and rant like old ladies because it's not immediately familiar to them. It's embarrassing to the rest of us who don't see any need to be a contrarian just to enjoy old games.
The amount of shovelware has probably decreased in recent generations and games that are buggy pieces of shit get panned hard. I know I wouldn't like to be a PC gamer in the 90s, but now with hindsight and a wealth of information to make an informed decision about my games? It's heaven. It's going to be the same for people going back to this gen after 10 years.

>>2490262
>amount of shovelware has probably decreased in recent generations
Oh hey it's one of those people I just posted about that think modern games are good.

>>2490265
>what went wrong
Uhh, rehashes of monotonous racing sims were replaced by rehashes of monotonous cinematic shooters? Surely a case for a detective!

I'm deeply sorry for your unique predicament of only owning the best selling games in each generation, though. The rest of us can make decisions about what we play, something that used to be much harder in the olden days btw.

Go to bed, grandpa.

>>2490261
>I try my best to never buy games that release broken or have some kind of day 1 dlc. That puts a lot of 7thgen in my never buy list.

Weird. I almost never buy games when they first come out anyways, so if it was broken day 1 it doesn't matter to me. If they fixed it and it's a game I think I'll enjoy or that I liked the demo then I buy it.

Ad for DLC, I don't see what people's problems with it are. Except in the case of stuff like Mass Effect where a dlc dude was integral to the story, but I don't play those kinds of games anyways. For the most part I completely ignore DLC, like in Just Cause 2. There's an ice cream truck, a jet and a few lame guns you can buy if you want. But the game is so packed with stuff already that I never even thought about getting it. If I want a plane, I'll go hijack one. That's the game!

But sometimes I like it. With Injustice Gods Among Us, which ended up being one of my all time favorite fighters, they actually turned to the community to vote on who else we wanted in the game. It was pretty cool, and aside from Scorpion who didn't fit for me I liked all the choices.

The way I look at the DLC in that game, it was never originally going to have Lobo, Martian Manhunter or Zatanna in it. What we got in the base game was already a really solid roster, but to then have more characters able to be added was great to me. Even if I still just mained Wonder Woman anyways,

>>2490010
LISTEN HERE YOU LIL SHIT SPONGEBOB IS INCREDIBLY GOOD FUCK YOU FOR SAYING ITS SHIT TV

>>2490281
All of those top selling games on the PS3 and PS2 are shovelware and can be found for about $5 or less. You go ahead and keep telling me that there's less shovelware though guy.

>>2490089
Lots of arcade games. It had a ton more decent games the SNES did.

>>2490284
>Weird. I almost never buy games when they first come out anyways, so if it was broken day 1 it doesn't matter to me. If they fixed it and it's a game I think I'll enjoy or that I liked the demo then I buy it.
I don't support nor do I want to play games from developers that release broken games.

Ya I'm just 1 asshole and wont make a difference but at least I'm not part of it.

>'2490290
>San Andreas and Vice City
>showelvare
You messing with me right now? I think we have very different definitions of the term, seeing as these are some of the best open world games out there and very influential in the medium.

>>2490262
:^)

>>2490302
Nobody is buying them and they're in bargain bins. Welcome to modern video games.

>>2490306

>>2490290
You don't know what shovelware is.
>taking discussions personally
kek

>>2490310
10 years ago those ps1 games were in the same situation

>>2490313
>>2490306
Those are opinion. Not something objective like DLC, patches, framerate, resolution, etc that are problems with modern games.
>>2490314
see
>>2490310

One of my pet peeves is the console-centric nature of retro gaming and people's idea of gaming history. Many people don't seem aware that computer games were really a thing until the late 90s or even later. Or they think that computer gaming consisted of IBM PC gaming only.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUoJBerFDsA

>>2490306
Haha, perfect.

>>2490316
Games like Crash never went that low. You may have found a few but they weren't widely available at that price.

>>2490296
The way I see it, dealing with that is just a reality of the world and market we're living in now. Also because I've been dealing with it on PC for many many years.

For myself, I'm not going to pass up on a game I'll really enjoy just because it wasn't perfect the day it was released.

If Tribes 2 stayed the way it was on day 1 it would have been pretty crappy. But they took community feedback, put a lot of effort in and it ended up being a masterpiece. That's why it doesn't bother me. All I care about in the end is if it's a great game for me or not.

>>2490318
What's your problem with resolution and frame rate?

>>2490313
>guy complains that modern video games are unoriginal and derivative
>as he conveniently forgets the multitude of horrible Pac-Man and Donkey Kong clones

>>2490319
>Or they think that computer gaming consisted of IBM PC gaming only

Or more specifically, they think PC gaming began in 1991 with the 32-bit VGA-era DOS stuff.

>>2490290
>>2490310
The two are linked. Those were the highest selling games, and because of that there are still many, many copies of them floating around. But that doesn't make them shovelware. Unless you also consider Tetris shovelware because there are so many carts of it out there as well.

>>2490329
Oldfag here, there have always been people like this on the internet. Certain that their era of video games was the best. I swear I could take old atari fanboy flamewars, do a handful of word replacements and it would look like any of a thousand discussions that go on today.

>>2490323
so it's my experiences versus yours because i found a ton of psx games dirt cheap at local kb toys/toys r us back then.

>>2490114
I didn't play (well, play-to-finish) Earthbound until I was 19-20 which was years and years after the game came out. I still love it.

I.e., it has nothing to do with nostalgia. It's just a quality game.

>>2490329
>people forget bad games
No shit...? It's like baby boomers telling you that all music in 1969 was the Rolling Stones and Beatles while acting as if Justin Bieber represents all of modern music as the #1 song on the Billboard 100 for that year was Sugar, Sugar.

>>2490342
I did too. Unless it was a collectors edition crash I never saw them.
>>2490336

Shovelware doesn't mean it's a bad game. Games like Twisted Metal were thrown in shovelware bins all the time.

Not to pull the kid shit but are you guys saying I don't know what shovelware is young or something? Haven't seen a bin full of discounted games?
>>2490326
I differentiate PC and console. To me one of the main selling points of a console game is there aren't patches.
>>2490328
Depends on the game and context. Anything 6th generation and later doesn't have an excuse to be at anything less than 60 fps.

Resolution again depends on the game and context. Still got games today that don;t run at 1080p or change between like 900something and 1080p.

>>2490163
Pet peeve: People who call other people on here "hipsters".

Also, Earthbound Zero didn't need a fan translation considering its had a fucking official one forever. So you have literally no idea what you're talking about

So wait, this guy WANTS games to cost a lot instead of being widely available and cost a few bucks on services like Steam? And this is an indication of low quality somehow?

Someone please explain this to me...

>>2490340
So then you just ask yourself "If 1979-83 was the golden age of video games, why the did the crash happen?"

>>2490265
This is some of the stupidest shit I've ever read

>>2490350
You seem to really care about that unreleased game. Sorry for doubting its stature.

>>2490340
I was a kid during the 5th gen, but I really never liked that era and mostly find it pretty dull.

>>2490348
> Shovelware doesn't mean it's a bad game. Games like Twisted Metal were thrown in shovelware bins all the time.

8/10 you had me going for a while there

>>2490319
C64 Bubble Bobble really wasn't that good, but the Amiga port is quite fine.

>>2490363
>twisted metal is a bad game
Do me a favor. I'm gonna go make a cup of coffee. When I get back I'd like you to go back to /v/ and never come back.

>>2490319
I know...even on sites like Vogons that are dedicated to retro PC games, it's overwhelmingly late DOS and Windows 9x stuff.

>>2490319
maybe they don't like strategy games and simulators

>>
I am being trolled so hard right now but fuck you. Shovelware has nothing to do with bins in stores, what the fuck, it refers to low quality software, usually put together to make a buck.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Shovelware

Big ambitious games with huge budgets can't be called shovelware in any sense of the word, you nigger.

>>2490384
Where do you think the term came from? Having so many games that you need to shovel them into bins... Dumb fucking kids.

>>2490373
Thinking that that's all PC gaming was is part of the problem. Strategy games and sims were in fact probably in the minority.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eY2gK1MPgh8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66mgwFTBpXw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B3mfqiUAoE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seMaCT2MVNU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5A0LgAlKXV0

>>2490394
yea sure, strategy, sims and hentai

>>2490391
You are literally delusional if you're calling games like Grand Theft Auto shovelware, what the fuck hahaha.

Just admit you have a searing irrational hatred of modern games despite not even following or playing them. We can understand, these meaningless tirades are just sad.

>>2490348
You apparently have no idea what the word shovelware refers to. It doesn't mean games that there are just a lot of so they end up in bargain bins. I hate to wiki, but I can't be bothered explaining it to you and this sums it up.

For the rest of your post, I see consoles and PC as one in the same. Just platforms to play games on. Personally I wish consoles had the ability to patch much earlier.

>>2490352
Ohh I'm not one of those people. I think there have always been good and bad games.

>>2490401
>>2490398
Ok. Lets ignore you moving the goal posts. Stop arguing about what you and I consider it to mean.
The original post was >>2490262 who said
>amount of shovelware has probably decreased in recent generations

Mobile shit alone has more shovelware than all of 5th gen and prior combined times 100.

PSN and xbox live are 99% garbage.

Movie shit games have never sold more.

>>2490391
You have no idea what you're talking about. Shovelware is the shit games that get shoveled out for a quick buck. It has nothing at all to do with how often they end up in bargain bins. Jesus, and you're calling everyone else young? That's hilarious.

>>2490406
Modern gamer kid continues to move the goal post the post.

>>2490405
Yes, a lot of mobile games are shovelware.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shovelware

There are a ton of great PSN and XBLA games though. I'm not going to even bother debating that with you though.

>>2490352
I like the computer games from the early 80s, I do not like the console games.

>>2490407
I'm not moving any posts, I'm explaining to you that you're using a common, known term completely wrong. Also I'm probably older than you are. You look like an idiot when you call everyone who disagrees with you a kid.

>>2490405
How can mobile games be in shovelware bins, they're digital and downloaded? According to your definition shovelware refers to games thrown in bins, but now you're switching it up?

I am convinced by this point you are either trolling or have no idea what the fuck you're saying.

>>2490421
I was talking about console games. You know before they were digital.
>>2490410
>There are a ton of great PSN and XBLA games though. I'm not going to even bother debating that with you though.
Ya lets just ignore all that DLC cash grab games.
>>2490417
>Also I'm probably older than you are
Good argument.

>>2490421
He's backpeddling at lightning speed now that he's realized how wrong he was.

>>2490426
I don't think you've actually looked at very many PSN or XBLA games. Most of them are contained experiences and don't have DLC the way that the $60 shelf games tend to. But I'm not at all surprised to see you dismiss something out of hand. It's kind of your shtick.

As for pointing out I'm probably older. It doesn't really matter, but when you call everyone kids when they disagree with you it's pretty funny. Also I like how you turned the topic to that instead of owning the fact that you had no idea what shovelware is.

>>2490429
Sorry no kid from /v/ is telling me what shovelware means.

And it's funny how you brought the argument from modern games being shit to arguing what shovelware means

>>2490265
How the fuck did Frogger do so well?

>>2490437
Sorry what is that free 2 play game that has like $300 in dlc?

>>2490426
>Ya lets just ignore all that DLC cash grab games.
Wow it's like any given platform has good AND bad games.

>>2490438
We've gone over modern games many, many times. In this thread even. I think your reasons for thinking they're crap are silly, but whatever. You're welcome to your opinion and I don't have a lot of desire to rehash the same debates.

As for shovelware, you're just plain wrong. That's all there is to it. Grand Theft Auto isn't shovelware any way you slice it. The amount that show up in bargain bins is completely beside the point.

Throwing out 'kid' and 'go back to /v/' is just pathetic. You were wrong, just deal with it and grow the fuck up.

>>2490439
popular arcade game redone in a new way. i had the pc version, it was pretty fun

>>2490446
I said most. Your problem is that you see one thing you don't like, like 'ohh my god kids these days like Call of Duty' and then dismiss everything else as being trash. There are some fantastic games on those services that you will never even try. Which is your prerogative, but it's sad for someone who claims to like video games.

I know it's so old it's cliche and meme-worthy but my major pet-peeve is how retro gaming is cool right now among indie hipsters and tumblr snowflakes and use as their excuse to say "lol I'm such a geek/dork/nerd". These same clowns watch the Big Bang Theory, collect Funko Pop figures and regurgitate stale memes.

Yet it's the ironic aspect the give a fuck about. The fact that retro games are so dorky and uncool that they're actually cool somehow. And you see college hipsters and post-scene tumblr girls wearing 8-bit SMB tees but try asking them about an obscure PC-Engine or early 90s beat-em-up and they'll just give you a blank stare.

To them dorkiness is just a fashion accessory. And yet I hide my power level and only mention retro gaming casually just to avoid being associated with those try-hards

Yeah, I know, throw me your *tips fedora* , green texts and condescending meme faces at me.

Another one I have is when I mention Final Fight some try-hard clown goes "Did you know Poison is a tranny hurr durrr" when I'm trying to talk about how much I enjoy the game.

>>2490449
>>2490458

Unless you got blinders on or just want the gaming industry to be shit there's no reason to like modern games as a whole.
REGARDLESS of my taste in games. You have these problems which aren't opinion.

Lazy developers making 30fps games or odd resolutions.

All these released broken games

Day 1 dlc.

Exclusive DLC

Microtransaction shit

DRM shit

Online paywalls

Ya modern gaming is fucking shit.

>>2490358
Thanks for completely missing my point and just attacking me personally! I've never even finished it

>>2490467
>Did you know Poison is a tranny hurr durrr
dear god i hate this shit

>>2490467
>try asking them about an obscure PC-Engine or early 90s beat-em-up and they'll just give you a blank stare
Well I had a C64, Amiga, NES and an IBM clone and I'd probably give you a blank stare too. Since I don't happen to know anything about PC-Engine games.

>this whole discussion

This is my fav board but you guys go full retard when it comes to modern games. We should just stick to what we know, it seems.

Maybe in 10 or so years there can be interesting discussion on this when it's not high treason to like new games.

>>2490481
You have to do something about those file names.

>>2490467
When I was back in high school a couple years ago every single person who publicly called themselves "gamers" was somebody who usually played nothing but league of legends and had the physical inability to talk about anything that wasn't one of the few games they played. You couldn't have a decent conversation about anything else.

Meanwhile they made it almost impossible to socially even talk about games because of how vocal they were and how little everyone wanted to be associated with them.

This was ESPECIALLY true though with retro games and those types of people too. I never did manage to find anyone else who could appreciate my famicom collection without asking if I had Zelda or Super Mario Bros

>>2490469
I have no problem at all with 30fps games. It depends on the genre. For fighters and shmups, then 60fps is important, but for RPGs, puzzle games or slower stuff there's no reason to get it up to 60 when 30 gives you a lot more processing power to do stuff with.

DLC we've gone over. Easily ignored if you don't like it. Better yet, buying a game and not the DLC let's the company know you like the game but don't want their extras. I see nothing wrong with an option to buy something optional.

No exclusive DLC has ever been meaningful or good. Also like normal DLC you can just ignore that it exists.

Microtransactions are just another way of financing a game and they work well for some stuff. Mostly mobile games that are aimed at people who aren't me anyways. If someone wants to buy tokens in Candy Crush Saga, I have no problem with that.

RDM is bullshit, but we gamers who have a pretty lax attitude to piracy are partly to blame for it's existence.

Running servers costs money. Some games have to have pay for online just so they can exist. It's better than no online in my opinion.

There are still amazing games coming out. To me that's all that matters. I just play stuff that's fun. Seems to be working out pretty great for me.

If you want to keep your blinders so high that you don't see the good that's out there that's fine, but don't talk to me about modern gaming when you don't actually know much about it.

And with that, I'll leave you to your angst over it not being 1993 anymore and go do something more interesting.

>>2490490
Just because I think modern games are shit doesn't mean there aren't a few good ones.

>>2490467
No shit...?

>thinking you're cool and hipster for playing LOZ, SMB3, and other games everyone on the fucking planet has played

Have they ever beaten the evil Freeze level in Jumpman? Do they know what King's Quest is? If you asked them what their favorite Amiga game was, what would they answer?

>>2490490
Well the weird thing is even the modern gamers tend to be blinded by all those issues too, not just people stuck in 1993.

I just play what looks fun that's new and it works out for me. Whereas the modern audience is so obsessed with any sort of "visual downgrade" that they will literally review-bomb and ruin games over it. I actually loved Watch Dogs but people will literally shame you for buying it because it doesn't look as good as it did in a trailer.

It's a lot of shit-flinging over tiny things but it's really only affecting the people who get mad at it and they can go fuck themselves for all I care

>>2489980
Kids nostalging over over shit older than their dad.

>>2490506
I was the same with Prototype 1 and 2. I love the shit out of those games, but wow the reactions you get if you say that out loud.

>>2490506
Very true. Many gamers seemed to get genuinely pissed off that Candy Crush was popular. Like they're offended that there are people out there enjoying a game that they don't like. Super weird. Though I guess tv, movies and music is pretty similar.

>>2490506
I think the deal with WD was that they disabled settings in the PC version so it wouldn't make the console versions look bad.

>>2490521
Maybe it's just the fact that I play a lot of retro games, but that really shouldn't be a reason to boycott and fuck with their review scores.
>>2490520
Yeah I don't know what's up with that either. When my mom plays angry birds I don't feel any sort of desire to try to convince her to play final fantasy or infinity blade or something.

>>2490506
Jerking over graphics has always been petty and irrelevant. I was a pc gamer but never cared for it, but unfortunately pc users seem much more butthurt over such things, it's nothing new.
Have you seen the discussions people had when beloved shooters like Quake were coming out? Nobody cared about things like map design like the modern scene would today, the important thing was the next new thing that would be the "Doom-killer" and put to shame all those kiddy games for babies.
Just ignore it, it has never mattered the slightest.

>>2490487

I usually blame "let's players" on youtube specially PewDiePie. And only suspect he has a Special Snowflake tumblr girl following is because he's "soooo cute".

Same with male hipsters. You see pretty rainbow haired girls claiming geek status and they jump the band-wagon for obvious reason.

>>2490480

that was just an example really. I'm pretty sure those dumbasses only remember the C64 as that old "oh-so-80s" computer and know jack about it's game library.

also fucking artsy-indie programmer and "artists" using old-school games as inspo for their edgy low-brow art. Like that "I am 8-bit" abortion.

I know they have the right to but it still rustles my jimmies that they rape my childhood like that.

>>2490530
Not wanting to embarass consoles shouldn't be a reason to intentionally gimp the PC version.

>>2490552
Well it's all up to the consumer but personally it doesn't impact my enjoyment of the game, or the performance of the game in the slightest.

>>2489980
>Like a popular game, or have an opinion about a popular game
>"You're just parroting [e-celeb you've never heard of]"

The constant war between emulation fans and collectors, why can't we get along?

>the whole Earthbound argument

this is a pet-peeve.

It seems that the most vocal groups are either the
>this game is sooooo deep don't let the kiddie graphics fool you it's ironic and quirky did I mention it's? the final battle is an abortion analogy because Itoi was traumatized as a kid and did I mention he's a famous writer"

or

>this game sucks and you hipster posers only care because of Smash Bros and it's overrated shitty Dragon Quest rip-off with Peanuts cartoons

my opinion on it: It's not bad game at all. I enjoyed a bit but it could've use some improvement (namely the combat system) but I do agree about those annoying hipsters who hype the game and make it look deeper than it really is and turned into a "holy grail".

But it's still not a bad game at all.

Great thread, OP. It's everything I hate about /vr/ in one place.

people saying to "go back to /v/" the moment that they say something that they disagree with

the horribly arrogance and superiority complex of playing retro games

>>2490620
Great post

Just stumbled onto this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EarthBound_fandom

That's right Earthbound fans are "special" enough to warrant their own wikipedia page separate from the object of their fandom.

Just like bronies and MLP:FIM

>>2490628
>It's everything I hate about /vr/ in one place.
It's missing pointless arguments about translation quality or shoot'em'up subgenres for me.

Speaking of, my pet peeve is when threads get derailed by an argument that could have ended ages ago. I know I'm guilty of it as well, but some people take their anonymous bitching too seriously.

>>2490574
>realize that ocarina of times biggest illusion of challenge is wasting your time, and that's why i always found that game so fucking boring and shit
>egoraptor does a video about it, sprinkling it with some extreme opinions and cases of failing logic, making it easy for the ocarina fags to pick a billion holes in it
>tfw my opinions are no longer valid to the brainless memers

>>2490729
You failed the moment you cared about the opinions of those people in the first place.

I don't really have ant pet peeves, but if I did it would be that people put way too much stock in the opinions of others.

A pet peeve? People who can't take other people's opinions on things, and resort to pointless name calling instead of engaging in respectful discussion. This is not exclusive to retro gaming either.

>>2489984
And sometimes it doesn't, so the reaction isn't justified.

>"Devs today are nothing but graphics whores"
in the same breath:
>"This game would be SO much better if we just changed the graphic style to 8 or 16 bit"

>>2490809
I especially love how personally everyone takes everything on an anonymous platform.

>>2490438
good lord what is even wrong with you

>>2490647
I love Earthbound but that's fucking ridiculous

>>2490850

There's even a documentary in the works. Just like a certain other fandom I just mentioned.

Face it; Earthbound fans are the bronies of video game fandom

Some retro PC games have really shitty controls. Makes you wonder how people enjoyed it in the first place.

going to shop for used games on thrift stores, mom&pops or flea markets and seeing only sports games and shitty licensed games.

or worse; chinky bootleg games and "multi-game" consoles. Chinatowns are notorious for this as you might imagine.

or much worse still; actually finding a worthwhile game and having the price jacked-up because the mongoloid behind the counter got swept by the hype.

>inb4 "that's just business don't be naive anon"

>>2489984
SONIC ADVENTURE IS FINE, FUCK YOU.

>finding a bar/diner/club/restaurant that has an arcade game cabinet
>It's just Cruisin' USA or some shitty golf simulator

or those fucking monitors with touch-screens you see on top of the counter that have shitty Iphone or Android shovelware mislabeled as "arcade" for the genre.

meh at least I have real games on MY phone's emulators

>>2490070
My friend.

>>2491161
>finding a bar/diner/club/restaurant that has an arcade game cabinet

Lucky.

>>2491187

back in the old city where I lived I would hang out at hipster bars that would have a Ms. Pac-Man or those multi-retro-game cabs. Great way to sober up or pace yourself.

now I moved back with my folks and the game booths I see in the business I go to are always those stinkin Cruisin' USA cabs. If they even have one that is.

Dunno why they still have those around nowadays what with phones and tablets and what-have-you

>>2489995
The original Final Fantasy on NES is four times the grind Dragon Warrior was. 45 straight minutes of killing imps just to get to level 2 and it never gets any easier than that.

>>2491285
Yeah, FF1 is really the only FF that I would recommend not playing the original

>>2490089
As a SNES kid growing up I agree that's some really irritating copypasta. I personally don't really even care for the Sonic games, but there's so many awesome games on the Gensis that nobody talks about. I partly blame the Sega fags though for being a terrible fanbase that doesn't know their shit. Ristar, Vectorman, Comix Zone, Chiki Chiki Boys, Wonder Boy in Monster World, Pulseman, Alien Soldier, Gunstar Heroes, the Shinobi series, all incredibly polished games.

That's no even taking into account all the really solid arcade ports of the late 80's / early 90's.

A lot of people tell me that about Sonic Adventure 2, but I honestly just genuinely love the game despite its flaws.
The Sonic levels are some of the most fun I've ever had in a game, and the Shadow levels are pretty fun as well despite having not as great level design.
The treasure hunt levels with Knuckles and Rogue were always a ton of fun to me and I always dug em.
The only levels I disliked where the Tails and Eggman levels, but they weren't unplayable. I did notice that the Eggman level design was much better than Tails's though.

>>2489980
>earthbound is popular
>talk about it on here and people say earthbound is shit because it's popular

I...I don't care if its a bad game I just think it's cute

>>2491139
>or much worse still; actually finding a worthwhile game and having the price jacked-up because the mongoloid behind the counter got swept by the hype.

>whaaaa the rare thing I want isn't easy to come by and cheap!

You sound like a fucking baby.

>>2491553
I love SA2. It's easily my favorite Sonic game

>>2491521
Any fanboys are the worst, it's not like SNES fanboys were/are any better. I always liked the Genesis a lot more, and similarly never liked Sonic at all, but I was just too busy enjoying the games to want to convince SNES users they should switch.

>>2492387

money don't grow on trees anon and I'd rather spent my money wisely and still balance on actual necessities like food or clothes. I know you can't relate you being a spoiled basement-dweller and all.

>>2492510
I'm posting from work right now, I'm well familiar with the value of a dollar. But holy hell do I get sick of hearing you kids bitch to high heaven that the collector's items you're trying to collect aren't at bargain bin prices. There was a brief period in the early 00's where almost no one was collecting 8 and 16 bit era games yet tons were still getting sold off to pawn shops and in garage sales.

But this isn't 2002 anymore, and the things you now want to collect are (shockingly!) collector's items now. The "mongoloid" who jacked up the price has done so to reflect the actual value of it in today's market. I'm sorry to have to explain to you the way collector's items work, but that's life.

And again, as always, if all you want to do is experience the game itself there are plenty of other ways to do so that range from cheap to completely free.

But if you want to collect collector's items, that's all well and good. Just don't bitch about it like a spoiled child.

>>2492542

The collector's market is just a cancer and always has been no matter what fandom. Just a bunch of greedy beardos hoarding old crap trying to trick gullible spreglords with too much disposable income trying buy once mass-produced "relics" of their long-gone childhood and displaying them like extensions of their poorly-defined personalities (if they have any).

Yeah I know it's nature of the beast and sour grapes but still nothing sadder than someone who brags about being the bigger fan because he blew more money for more crap to horde. It's enough to keep me away from collecting and pursuing other hobbies.

add that to another one of my pet peeves.

>>2492542
>"Wahh! You're an entitled brat because you refuse to pay me extra for hording all the shit I buy at garage sales for pennies on the dollar, and then list on eBay for hundreds more."

You're reseller scum. Don't try to convince anyone otherwise.

I sell off my unwanted games on eBay from time to time, but I price them honestly. I'm not out to gouge anybody. Hell, I even give away some of my retro games, if I know anybody who has been trying to hunt down any particular titles I've already played to death.

I recently gave someone a GC along with a handful of first-party games that are going for $40+ each on eBay at the moment. It's not about the money. I'm just happy to help others enjoy these games as well.

>>2492679
I can attest to this. Spent two summers renting a booth in a flea market (doing lame photo restorations) and I would say the vast majority of collectors in any field are very similar. Extremely entitled, complain about prices constantly and want to haggle over the tiniest things.

This was back in 2003-2004 and even then the guys who had video game booths were trying to charge the most ridiculous prices I'd ever seen at the time.

>>2492721
Nope, not a reseller. Aside from one garage sale I had where I dumped mostly ps1 and 2 games I've never sold a single video game.

I'm pointing out that the reason these games used to be so cheap was because no one was collecting them and they weren't collector's items in the early 00's. The pawn shop owners and mom's selling their kid's stuff at garage sales had no idea of what they were worth so they'd just dump them for 5 bucks here, 10 bucks there or whatever. But things aren't like that anymore.

If you're into collecting, then you're into collecting. Deal with it. If you don't want to, emulate. Emulation is pretty great these days.

>>2489987
Nice argument

>>2492721

>You're reseller scum. Don't try to convince anyone otherwise.
>I sell off my unwanted games on eBay from time to time, but I price them honestly. I'm not out to gouge anybody. Hell, I even give away some of my retro games, if I know anybody who has been trying to hunt down any particular titles I've already played to death.
>I recently gave someone a GC along with a handful of first-party games that are going for $40+ each on eBay at the moment. It's not about the money. I'm just happy to help others enjoy these games as well.

Fucking communist

If people can source cheaply and then sell at inflated prices then good luck to them.

Maybe you need to git gud at sourcing

I'd love to get a 70s porche but I don't see any owners selling to me cheaply because they are happy to see me enjoy it

Get off your fat ass and earn some money

>my pet peeve is the amount of people on this board that are confused between wants and needs

>>2490467
To be fair I'm 20, actually know my retro nintendo shit, but I couldn't tell you a fucking thing about PC-Engine. Never interested me.

Beat Em Ups on the other hand... Well my first console was a Mega Drive, so yeah.

>>2491521
You can't mention Alien Soldier, it was hardly available in the States

>>2489980
Same +
>____ is overrated so that's why your opinion doesn't matter
>X game in series is better than Y game in series because it's more original
>OOT/FF7 are rehashes of LTTP/FF6
>Egoraptors sequelitis (or insert eceleb here) has great points, but I never played the games.

>>2493631
>"Get a job, you commie!"

I have a job.

If you're trying to make a living reselling shit on eBay, then you're doing something wrong. Trolling garage sells for cheap games then turning around and price-gouging unwitting retro gamers is not a career, it's exploitation.

I'm not sure what you're setting out to accomplish in this thread, but you sure as hell aren't convincing any of us of the legitimacy of your practices. Why do you even need our validation in the first place? Do you feel guilty about what you're doing?

>>2494020
I'm not the guy reselling.

Get a job that pays enough for you to be able to enjoy your hobby. Stop feeling entitled.

>>2489980
That one game everyone hates but for some reason you like it. And everyone gives you shit.

>>2490089
Funny story: I bought a Sega Genesis at the end of 1990, during the holidays. It was an impulse buy, just wanted to play Ghouls 'n Ghosts again like I used to in the arcades. That game is just perfect IMO, and so are many other Genesis games such as Decap Attack, Blades of Vengeance, Dragon's Fury, Streets of Rage, Golden Axe, Galahad, Silpheed (CD), Ecco the Dolphin (I had the CD, but great game either way). Even Gods and Shadow of the Beast 1-2 were great ports and more playable than Amiga version (which I also had). Heck, Gods even had a kickin' soundtrack. There were also plenty of other fine games, such as Alisia Dragoon, Burning Force, Rocket Knight Adventures, Chakan (hard, but great atmosphere that kept me coming back), Faery Tale Adventure, Shining in the Darkness, Altered Beast, Wings of Wor, Wolfchild (I had the CD, great soundtrack too).

Anyway, I had a lot of fun with this game console. My only prior console was the NES (and various 8-bit computers, plus the Amiga 500).

But the point of typing all this is to say: a few years later (1993) I ended up buying a SNES because some of the games sounded cool. I tried Actraiser and Secret of Mana, but none of those kept me interested like the Genesis games did. Sure, you could tell they had lots of design put into them, and the artwork was nice, and the music was less "chip-like" than the Genesis, but I just didn't *feel* much of anything from playing those games. For that matter neither did watching other people play Super Mario or other top-rated games like Star Fox. So I ended up just selling the stuff at a loss and just enjoying my Amiga and Sega Genesis/CD.

Even to this day I don't feel much of anything when looking at the SNES library. About the only things I ever play are F-Zero and Jaki Crush. Even the Final Fantasy games don't do it for me, despite liking the first one of that series on NES. Ultimately I preferred (and still do) the more blocky 8-bit FF sprites...

>>2492961
The point is "nostalgia" is not an argument because it assumes both that you know that the person likes a game because of their memories and that therefore they don't have any legitimate means of expressing why the game is good.

>>2494124
To be fair, though, the hobby being more expensive than it's ever been really is just a shitty situation. I understand that the constant bitching about prices won't do anything, but it's not like there's no reason to complain

>>2489984
it pops up every single time a popular game is liked and some asshole just has to claim it's nostalgia blindness

All the people complaining about retro game prices. For two reasons. First off, the console RPGs will be expensive because they didn't sell tons until FF7 came around, and the other expensive games are usually the most popular games, since that's what everyone wants. Yes, Mario/Duck Hunt was 10 cents in the Funcoland days, those days are long over.

Second, they are only complaining about the prices for the most popular games and RPGs. I've been looking at the price charts, and I see many damn good SNES games for less than $15. Populous, Jungle Strike, Wings 2 Aces High, Pitfall, Tiny Toons Adventures, Sim Earth, Desert Strike, Pilotwings, Urban Strike, Super R-Type, Toy Story, SimCity, WWF Wrestlemania Arcade, Super Star Wars, Wizardry 5, King Arthur's World, Lion King, Mickey's Ultimate Challenge, NBA Jam TE, Kirby's Avalanche, Krusty's Super Fun House, Out of This World, and Tetris Attack can all be easily found for less than $10. For another $5 you can afford Goof Troop, Final Fight, The Addams Family, F-Zero, Flashback, Killer Instinct, Star Fox, Plok, Magical Quest, EDF, Uniracers, True Lies, Prince of Persia or Prince of Persia 2, B.O.B., Ys3, Lemmings, Aladdin, or Super Smash T.V. All decent to great games that can be gotten for less than $15.

They are complaining because the Square RPGs, Marios, Metroid, and Zelda are expensive. Hipster casuals complaining about the higher prices they caused.

>>2495852
>less than $15

7-8 years ago I was able to get AAA titles for $3-$10 depending on the game. It makes perfect sense that people will complain about the pricing today.

>"Sorry anon, the graphics just don't do it for me, so I'm not even going to try the games you suggest"
Wish I had retro interested irl buddies, the closest I've gotten is a few stages of co-op Battletoads with a pal before he gave up because "The pixels make me sick"

>>2498360
That guy sounds like a very nice person, honestly.
All I got is "why do you play that old shit?"

>>2491553
I like SA2, and I know it's flawed as fuck.
But the Sonic stage design is legitimately good.
Eggman's stage design was solid and I enjoyed his stages. Cosmic Wall is fun as fuck.
I tolerated Knuckles in that game, wasn't as fun to play with as in SA1.
Shadow's stage design is hit and miss as fuck, but generally decent.
Tails' stage design is shit.
Rouge's stages actively bring the game down to me.
Good bosses, for the most part.
Controls decently enough. Not the best (SA2 is best played with the GC controller because it's octagonally gated, it's loads messier otherwise), but good.

SA1 is a game I don't think holds up though.
only two of the Sonic stages are any good (Emerald Coast is solid, Red Mountain is a 10/10), the rest are shit and I'm not exaggerating, Windy Valley starts out good and gets awful and boring, Casinopolis has the least interesting pinball physics of all, Lost World should be a neat and fun stage, but general bugginess kills it, Final Egg is meh, and Sky Deck is one of the worst designed stages in Sonic.
Knuckles was fun. Having a working emerald radar really helps.
Most bosses were okay.
Adventure stages were a neat idea executed in the least interesting way.
Amy's stages are boring as fuck.
Tails' stages are Sonic's, sometimes better, but only a bit.
Gamma's stages suck. Nice bosses though.
Big actively makes the game worse. Fishing in the game is actually pretty fun. Fishing for Froggy isn't.

oh, and the animations are hilariously bad
and the control is really bad

spindash jumping is amazing though and almost makes up for the flaws in SA1's Sonic stages (made Sky Deck almost tolerable, for one)

>>2498360
>the graphics just don't do it for me, so I'm not even going to try the games you suggest
shit drives me up a wall
most of my friends regularly play /vr/ games, so it's not usually a problem for me

>>2497121
Yes but those prices were artificially low because there were so many around, demand for them was very low and few people knew what they were potentially worth.

Remember, these games retailed for 50$-60$ originally. 10$-15$ should feel like a pretty good price for a used one now. Except that there was that time that's now cemented in everyone's memory of when they were stupidly cheap.

>"Early 3D games aged terribly dude. They're not even worth playing anymore. You should just play *insert earlier 2D installment of series here* instead."

>>2500983
>artificially low
Why is it so artificially difficult for people to understand basic economics
>bcuz u r on teh 4chan
oh yeah

>>2490647
And this is why I avoid all EB discussions. Love the series to death, but stuff like this is just ridiculous.

>>2489980
>port/remake of a game from Japan features translation fixes
>"They took out the charm."

>>2502560
Is that Egoraptor?

>>2503696
When I say "artificially low" what I mean is that the large number of old carts in circulation combined with the fact that most of the people selling them at the time were from an older generation that wasn't familiar with them created a scenario where games that had retailed for 50$-$60 a few years earlier were being sold for a tenth of that.

This created the expectation that the "normal" price for one of those games is the lowest point they ever sold at. That because there was a time when they were worth next to nothing, that they should always be in that position. But that's a fallacy. They were selling for so little because the market was small and immature. Thus the prices were artificially low.

>>2500983
Do you even understand anything about economics? Those prices were just as "artificial" as prices now

>>2503772
I explain it more here >>2503752
But it's really not hard to understand. There was a time when the prices were crazy low because demand was so low while supply was very large. Perhaps "artificially low" was a bad choice of words, but what I meant was that the reason they were so low is there was very little market for what was being sold.

Now that market exists, a lot more people want these games so of course they're not going to sell for the same price they did back then. It's really just common sense.

But again and as always, the wonderful thing about this hobby as opposed to other collector based ones is that every single game is available and easily emulated for anyone who simply wants to experience playing the game for themselves. You only need to worry about the costs of collecting if you're actually getting into that aspect of it.

>>2489980

this wouldnt be a problem if game criticism actually viewed emotion as a legitimate way to respond to a game

>>2502560

i don't think he was wrong. i always hated SM64 but i had to convince myself i liked it cause everyone that played it in the N64 era loved it but i didn't get a copy until 2005. I still play many games from my N64 without a problem but that one is just unbearable and overall not that special to me.

>>2503817
I agree with him, and think early 3D games hold up much worse visually than a lot of the sprite based games from around the same time. But I wouldn't say that opinion is objective in any way, and could certainly understand someone feeling differently about it.

>born in 80s
>like vidya, sci-fi, horror movies, and comics
>girls don't talk to you. No pussy for years almost full wizard status until I lie about interests to get pussy.
>called nerd, dork, "lol fagget"


>now it's cool to like all of the above mentioned

Born in the wrong decade. :,(

People who get really bitterly angry and defensive when you try to talk about more obscure titles and systems are the worst I think.

>>2503861
It's not cool to actually like those things, it's cool to say you like those things. Try to have a conversation about any of those things with a regular person who says they like them.

>>2503871
It could be how you're tying to talk about them instead of the content of what you're saying.

>>2491143
..Sonic Adventure gets a bad rap?

I'll admit that it hasn't aged well, but damn did I love exploring and discovering secret areas. And dat Mystic Ruins music.

I'm sure it's been said enough times already, but reseller scum. I would never associate with someone like that.

Secondly, console wars / fanboyism. I'm surprised people even continue to argue about the merits of retro consoles. Does it even matter now? I'm sure most of us can afford to invest in more than one console from any given generation, so why not enjoy each one for its own merits?

>>2490318
>>2490318
That's something I haven't really figured out, why do modem developers hate frames so goddamn much?

I feel hard-capping a game at 30fps should be a capital offense

>>2503876
Of course the obscure is a doe eyes look you'll get from most girls, but liking Zelda or Pokemon gets you a free pass nowadays. But I know what you're saying.

I talked to a "suicide girl" once about Friday the 13th and Nightmare on elm street scenes because she had tattoos from both film franchises. I start quoting stuff and I was getting looks like she was doing her SAT. Like her brain was melting trying to at least mouth breath one line. I guess she wasn't the "dork" she claimed she was. Sorry for the blog

>>2498469
I loved Sky Deck honestly. The concept was great, being that high in the air pumped me up, and I love the twist in the second part.

It had it's flaws. The camera could barely keep up, I could never dodge the random shit falling everywhere in the second part, and those bridges with the yellow guardrails were annoying because you got stuck in them or you tried to jump on one and fell off. But man. DAT MUSIC. Practically made up for it.

>>2503934
Fandom culture has really created a bunch of weird shit like that. Then again I played a bunch of old games to completion multiple times and couldn't tell you the story/how to do boss(x)

>>2490047
There's others that do this too. For the most part they're fan translations though, like Cyber Knight

>>2503717
Translation fights are by far the most autistic thing you will see here.

Who the fuck really cares, unless the alteration modifies the story a great deal or censors what was previously uncensored? Usually it's the direct opposite.

>>2503934
>thinking women actually like things

lel

>>2504053
That's fucking sexist bullshit anon. Women like plenty of things, like money they didn't work to earn and anything that they think saying they like will get them more money they didn't earn.

>>2504061
s-sorry for oppressing you

I'll go check my privilege

>>2491216
>Dunno why they still have those around nowadays what with phones and tablets and what-have-you
High scores maybe? It's interesting to see who's the best in the bar specifically, you don't get that from online leaderboards.

Also cheap money I guess.

>>2504104
I saw a super drunk guy snap his forearm almost in half at one of those Golden Tee machines, the ones where it's pretty much just a big track ball. He reeled back like he was going to spin that ball harder than it ever had been, but being a drunk idiot he missed and instead slammed his hand full force into the front of the cabinet. I spent most of that night pissing myself laughing.

>>2503861
le wrong generation

>>2504052
On the one hand, I agree.

At the same time, though, there are many instances (FF7 is the easiest for me to think of at the moment) where an otherwise great story is marred by rudimentary language-use when a more eloquent and articulate translation would have definitely helped.

>>2490037

>I tell someone I don't like earth bound
>"hur dur how can u call urself a gaymer if u don't leik earthbound!?!?!"

People heavily dislike BoFIV, though I understand that it is a game that is not easy to get into, but by no means it is bad, especially on a technical level. hcg101's page on BoFIV is probably the only thing that makes me angry on the internet.

>>2491285
I didn't grind much in the first FF on NES, I beat Chaos at level 23 and ran from most fights.

Dragon Warrior on the other hand is 90% grind.

>>2489980
>>"No the only reason you like it is because of nostalgia"

This inverse bothers me too.

>The only reason you don't like it is because you're underage.

>use emulator program
>its an old program, but is very easy to use and works fine with no bugs in your experience
>you have fun
>"WTF are you doing faggot that emulator is worse than shit-covered aids you must use THIS emulator!!"