/vr/ - Retro Games

A nice meme

It made lots of autists and babies cry.

How was it shock value?

It's not like they did it for no reason. It was the changing point in Cloud's journey and spurred him onward.

>>2481897
>How was it shock value?
It was shocking because she just spent the whole game getting lit on fire and shot with machine guns or hit with swords, but one little poke killed her

Kinda like a Steve Irwin thing RIP in peace

>>2481909
>Kinda like a Steve Irwin thing

Its shocking but it happen :(

I dont really understand the impact other than it was the first time people were exposed to protagonist death in video games.

Hell it wasn't even the first in the series.

>>2481909
Was this your first RPG? Everyone learns pretty quickly to separate battle logic from the story.

>>2481879
I'm more pissed about General Leo.

>>2481914
I cri evrytiem ;_;

>>2481921
It's a joke, nigger

>>2481909
Nice troll OP. You can make this same argument for so many other games. MGS series for example is full of retarded logic.

>>2481923
Leo!

Game of Thrones is cheap shock value. This was just sad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtVzSibPTik

>>2481879
>le cinematic experience
you guys realize that this game is pretty much responsible for the current gen of AAA titles, right?

>>2481961
It was inevitable. If FF7 didn't do it someone else would have.

>>2481879
in retrospect was death scene in X anything other than cheap shock value?

>>2481961
FFVII did nothing new and was not responsible for modern design trends.

It was generally seen a just shock because the story wasn't unfolded well enough to really put an emphasis that it was motivated by multiple reasons so it appeared that she was killed basically to fuck with Cloud.
It doesn't help when you live in a world where you're constantly being revived from certain death with magic and Items

>>2481879
This wasn't the first death in an RPG. Hell, this wasn't even the first death in Final Fantasy. HELL, this wasn't even the first death of a main party member in Final Fantasy.

And the FMV for this is actually kind of laughable with how cheesy it is watching Aerith's doll-like body bob around before she shuts her eyes like a Furby going into sleep mode.

What does it?

That fucking music. That's what does it.

>>2482015
It's laughable now, but in 1997 it was a huge leap from FF6.

>>2482040
Nah, even back in 1997 I was laughing at it. I mean, it was an impressive FMV sequence, but the actual animation and Aerith's face were hilarious to me.

Also, I love the absolute lack of blood and then them retconning it to make it work.

"The Masamune is holy and doesn't produce blood when it wounds someone."

>>2482040
>>2482015
I think he's talking more FF5. Where a very prominent member of your main party is killed off.

Its not like Aeris, who you need to use for all of 3 minor sections
>After airbuster to just after don corneo
>Going down the elevator of the Shinra Building to escape (2 boss battles right after another and maybe 1 or 2 randoms along the way)
>Temple of the Ancients
Thats it. It's a drop in the bucket of the timeline of the game and if you were like me, I never used her because
>using girl characters
So her death felt super uneventful. Plus I could see even back then that Tifa was the love interest for Cloud.

The game tries to force it on you that shes super important, but when they give you party selection options it all feels so forced.

It wouldn't surprise me if they revamped it that Aeris places a way more significant role in the remake, but I wouldn't enjoy it.

>>2481937
Nah dude I ate some rations after getting caught on fire once and healed right away.

>>2482063
How do you know they retconned it?

>>2482078
OMFG thank you

I still ship Cloud and Tifa and I've always felt they made a better couple and was more interested in Tifa as a partner for Cloud than Mary Sue Aerith.

And, yes, my greatest fear about the remake is the idea of Aerith and Cloud becoming OTP canon.

>>2482094
>>2482078
I used to have this guide for getting all four dates (Aerith, Tifa, Barret, and Yuffie) and this guy figured it all out and even assigned 'Affection Points' for how much influence your dialogue and party choices have on who you date at Gold Saucer.

I always got Tifa of course, but they rig it so that you'll get Aerith if you're not careful.

One thing in particular that doesn't seem like such a big deal is when you go after Barrett in the Coral Desert. Aerith wants to go and if you put her in the party she gets a shit-ton of affection points for no real reason.

So, yeah, they always tried to force Aerith as the main girl, but Tifa is the choice of scholars and gentlemen.

>>2482114
>going after Rude's girl, after he openly stated his preference in Gongaga
dick-move, bro.

>>2481879

Im still upset they designed this game where the materia makes the characters outside of limit breaks. Everyone has damaging limit breaks, except the one they remove half-way through the game.

As much as they planned out and tested things in this game, they completely cock tease us with her limit breaks.

>>2482132
If you really want to go into it, certain characters have Long Range (Barret, Vincent, Yuffie predominately) and can deal same damage from Back Row and can hit certain flying enemies.

>Getting buttmad about Limit Breaks
You absolutely -have- to grind to get Limit Breaks.
I ended the game with Climhazzard as my highest one. Barret had Grenade Bomb, and Tifa only got to Water kick, she didn't unlock her other level 2 limit, but did unlock her level 3 limit. This is at the end game.

You would have to grind a shitload to get Aeris' Limit Break, and then you can only use it in Temple of the Ancients, and while Temple of the Ancients bosses can be a bit of a difficulty spike, you're given so many tools to deal with them (Fire Ring for Red Dragon for instance), that its a non-issue. If you grinded for Great Gospel, you won't need it, because you'll be over leveled anyways.

>>2481909
>sword right through the stomach
>one little poke

>>2482183

>>2481961
There's no one game responsible for that shit. It's one long development fueled by general misunderstanding of core elements in games and the universal appeal of shiny surfaces.

>>2481961
I wonder if the people who post this kind of crap seriously think what they are saying is true or if they are really just trying to appear older than they really are by hating on any slight thing that appears in modern video games.

>>2482190
I have no issues with "cinematic" experiences in modern games.

If its done well, its enjoyable period. Sure, most of the time its not done that well, with being incredibly scripted segments, but when it is done well, its fantastic and rewarding.

My biggest issue is when your character does cool as shit things in the cutscenes that you can't do in game, or QTEs. Those are pretty much the worst.

>>2482214
I'm very impatient with story segments in games. When I play a game, I want to play the fucking game.
I agree about the cool shit in cutscenes. Whenever that happens I get so fucking mad because the game is basically robbing you of gameplay.

>>2482247
You should play the Xenosaga trilogy. You'd LOVE them.

>>2482289
More games need to have curry delivery segments.

>>2482289
I'm feeling a slight hint of sarcasm here, anon.

>>2481961
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Go home gamer girl.

>>2481879
where's the love for galuf i ask

>>2481920
>it was the first time people were exposed to protagonist death in video games.
Except that's bullshit. Might have been the first time PSbabbies were exposed to protag death, arguably.

Could we try to use spoilers more often, please? Would be appreciated.

>>2482668
It was for the majority.
Your common person isn't gonna go point at a Final Fantasy game that wasn't even initially released in the west and say it's the more ground breaking one.

>>2482682
You just had poor taste when you were a kid.
You knew of ff7 therefore you loved ff7.

>>2482668
Also Nei from Phantasy Star 2

>>2482682
But Phantasy Star did the same thing like ten years earlier.

>>2482717
Does she really count though? She dies in like the second dungeon. Unlike pic related.

>>2481920
It was the first time a death scene was handled with this much gravitas. A character like Tellah dies and everyone is sad for a few seconds, then the game proceeds basically as normal. Aeris dies and it's treated as an earth-shattering event, with slow-motion skewering and even a funeral. And afterward, the living characters keep talking about her and about their grief.

>>2482724
I think it was later than that. Point was she was one of your starting party and a big part of the story.

>>2482183
There was no blood though. When the Shinra CEO got killed there was a lot of blood, enough to paint the whole office floor with it.

Now that I think about it, is Cetra physiology completely different than that of regular humans? They don't bleed when cut or stabbed and their dead bodies sink. Not only did Aeris' body sank, she was able to keep her pose as she was sinking. Dead human bodies in water normally float unless weighed down and always look unflattering with their limbs flopping around.

Why she wasn't able to notice the loud sound of shattering glass above her and at least try to dodge Sephiroth's attack? Maybe Cetra has bad hearing too or it could just be specific to Aeris

>>2481975
i dont think enough people really realize this. the most noteworthy thing they did that set them apart from the crowd was better graphics. and even that was all pre-rendered stuff with a low polygon character model layed over it. its really the only logical step up from the overview style in the games that came before it and was ultimately a dead end. not a lot of games employ this today.

>>2481975
Yuh huh.

So was the game fun or not?

>>2482761
>Dead human bodies float

They float after the build up of gasses produced from decomposure. A freshly killed corpse will always sink because humans are denser than water.

>>2481879
Nomura likes to joke that he came up with the idea to kill her over the phone. But Sakaguchi apparently lost his mother in between VI and VII and stated something to the effect that death only comes with a feeling of great emptiness and regret.
So maybe Nomura did come up with the game's central point, but it was Sakaguchi's personal tragedy and imput that made it hurt.

Galuf's death is arguably more symbolic than anything, as his skills immediately pass on and the New Warriors fully supplant the Old. But with the flower girl, everything's unfinished and will never be changed.

>>2482724

>dies in the second dungeon

We are talking about phantasy star 2 dungeons here though, thats like 10 hours into the game for a first playthrough kek

>>2482726
I don't know what any of you are talking about.

Are we all forgetting that fucking Crono dies? That was the only shocking death to me in retro vidya. I was a wee lad, and that broke my world until they're like "oh, you can revive him", but even so you can just go ahead and beat the game without him. You don't *need* to revive him

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>>2481879
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAtpPNKnybA
Obligatory

>>2481909
>Kinda like a Steve Irwin thing

I hate Jet Stingray.

>>2481879

>I didn't "get" FF7.

You're not alone, Anonymous Pleb.

>>2481879
aeris sucked anyway tifa had way bigger tits

>>2481879
Aeris was based off the mother of one of the character designers. His mother died in the middle of production and the story was re-written to reflect this.

>>2481879
I think the one thing that bothered me the most about her death is the fact that you don't get her armor back when she dies.

I gave her the Dragon Armlet back at the Temple of Ancients, thinking I was going to have to use her for a while longer, then she runs off, dies, and keeps my stuff. Granted, she only keeps the weapon and armor she has equipped; the game removes her accessory and materia when she bites it.

Still, I was upset enough to reload my Temple of Ancients save to get my armor back, and give her a crappy Iron Bangle in return.

>>2482950

Least you know he went down to a badass synth.

>>2481879
I'm pretty sure that if you played the game then you would had the answer.

Don't worry, the remake will be aimed at people like you.

>>2483141
Y'all niggaz gonna need to cite that source.

>>2483205
He is not wrong, but he isn't right either. Sakaguch approved Aeris' death because around that time his own mother passed off and he wanted to explore death as one of the main themes in FF7.

>>2481961
Half-Life is more responsible, because non-intrusive cutscenes.

>>2482707
I didn't even have a Playstation as a kid.

>>2482718
Average people never even heard about Phantasy Star. They're gonna point to Final Fantasy VII, and there's gonna be lots of them, and that's how this shit happens.

>>2482761
There was no blood or flopping of limps because women are graceful.

>>2482761
That was Jenova's blood before she took on Sephiroth's visage. And Jenova being capable of flight, shapeshifting, and having bodies everywhere across the planet pretty much means that getting to City of the Ancients without being seen would be a simple task.

She's like a self-aware disease.

>>2483510
>I didn't even have a Playstation as a kid.

>>2483515
I was a mindless Nintendo drone, I think I was happy.