/vr/ - Retro Games

>>2471836
Dude, that's what fucking sold the game back then

>>2471836
>watching clickbait videos from what's-her-name

Are you incapable of evaluating things until Sarkesian tells you? It was one of the things on which the Columbine shooting was blamed. I think I even remember playing it for footage in a local news piece or something haha.

What did she say about Doom? The game is nearly 20 years old and she's discovering it now?

How about those overpowered executions? At least in Brutal Doom you had to find a Berserk Pack in order to do them.

>The feminists are going after Doom now

fuck this gay earth

>Anita
Is there a bigger cancer for the videogame industry?
And I don't really see how it's so bad. You're not even killing people. Doom is great as an arcadey well-designed game, the gimmick of WOW DEMONS wears off quickly.

>>2471872
now? Doom has been criticized for its portrait of violence since day one

7/10

pretty clever, taking advantage of the hype, incites questions among the other posters

>>2471889
>And I don't really see how it's so bad. You're not even killing people
First, you're killing at least human lookalikes throughout the game, and second, why would it be so different if it was humans or not?

>Doom is great as an arcadey well-designed game
One criticism back then was that the realistic (for its time) and excessive portrait of violence was unnecessary. There's a good game underneath, overshadowed by gore.

>>2471895
yeah you're right, and you can mostly thank romero for that, who gives a shit though? the game is older than our userbase at this point

Some background:

Anita and Josh believe that video games, along with other forms of media contribute to "toxic masculinity". Toxic masculinity is behind lots of problems, and they directly tie it into mass shootings.

They are against any kind of violent video game. They believe that all video games should be nice and humanizing experiences that do not focus on violence. In effect, they just don't like videos.

The point is, they're radical loons and you should just ignore them. If gamers were more mature, they would. Anita and Josh were obscure internet idiots #2343 when they were talking about TV and Film. Gamers over reacted and launched them into stardom. Now all they talk about is games, despite not liking them or playing them.

The second point is that everything they say is completely predictable. There's no point giving them attention.

>>2471889
>Is there a bigger cancer for the videogame industry?

The retards who gave her the fuel for her agenda.

>>2471907
>who gives a shit though?
People interested in analyzing and studying video games that had a huge impact on the field.

>the game is older than our userbase at this point
Which makes it all the more a worthy subject of study, because it's still quite actively played, despite its age. Anybody with an academic interest in gaming would be curious about the lasting appeal of the game, how its impression changed over the years, etc.
I'm not too interested in the SJW aspects, that's just the poutrage of the day. The game itself though, has all kinds of merits to be subject of studying.

>>2471918
>People interested in analyzing and studying video games that had a huge impact on the field.
lol you really need to get laid ya nerd

Why are people replying

stop

>>2471934
way to contradict you'reself

>>2471934

i like very much so, catts

NO
FUCK HER AND HER OPINIONS
I wanna know something about /vr/ since I don't regularly browse /vr/.
I browse /v/, and not the shitposting kind either
What is /vr/'s take on modern DOOM, more specifically the recent upcoming game DOOM (Real original guys).
With how modern shooters are now compared to the older original ones, I wonder how true original fags perceive the modern take on older games.
I played Doom 1 and 2 four years ago when I was 17 since I didn't grow up with PC and didn't have enough interest in old shooters until recently. I really liked them a lot but never played Doom 3.
I keep an optimistic light on newer games and give the benefit of the doubt a lot unless the company or people behind it have a bad track record.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq1zkyiUnNI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoX7u6SDGoY

What did she say about Doom?

>>2471946

She made some tweets bitching about how Doom is violent. Nothing special

>This level of extreme violence shouldn’t be considered normal. It's not an excuse to say it’s expected because DOOM. That’s the problem #BE3

>>2471915
Toxic masculinity would lead to like, gang fights, not school shootings. That is a supreme act of cowardice, not of machismo, positive or negative.

And Anita is a massive cancer/moron. I don't know who Josh is, but given the association, it is unlikely I would appreciate anything he's said or done, ever.

And yes, I agree, the overreaction and sensationalization (is that a word?) of their tripe elevated them, one of the worst examples of the Streisand Effect in action.

why is anyone actually talking about what Anita is saying, anyway
it truly doesn't matter

>>2471895
>There's a good game underneath, overshadowed by gore.
It practically sold on it's gore, early on. It got lots of publicity it wouldn't have had without all of the violence.
iD was pretty well known at the time, sure, but Doom's combination of great map design, a relatively advanced engine that ran on computers from '93 at something approaching an acceptable framerate, and its trademark violence brought it up to the level of fame it has today.

>>2471950
>>2471967
second post is me

Just chiming in again real quick, this bitch literally feeds off attention. Starve her of it. This is one of the only problems that you can actually get rid of by ignoring it.

If you argue against her points, and are correct, you will be silenced or ignored. If you threaten or become violent with her, you give her victim points and lend her message credibility to other idiots of the same ilk.

If you starve her of her one needed currency - attention? She withers and dies. Not literally, she'll probably go be a bitchy lady in HR somewhere who only hires transgendered minorities and encourages everyone to talk about what a special fucking snowflake they are on resumes, but, her idiocy and impact will be minimized, as it should be.

>>2471836
fuck that bitch. nobody gives a shit about her opinion.

>>2471972

She has a masters in Gender Studies. Doing what she does now is literally all she can do, and she's doing the most profitable job she wants. She's well on her way to becoming a millionaire. Imagine all those people with real degrees who are struggling.

Her goal is to be a "media personality". Book tours, media interviews, etc. An easy life of little work for millions.

>I never knew Doom was such a violent game

Also in the news:
- Fire is hot.
- Water is wet.

More at 11.

>>2471978
>all she can do
People with useless majors that apply themselves correctly can often get fine jobs in fields not directly relevant to their major. I am an example of this.

But yes, it's not fair she's a mini-celebrity, it's not fair she's made a dime for whining about issues that aren't issues at all. But remember, the more she's discussed, the more power she gets, and the attention feeds into her financials because some moron or desperate white knight or "feminist" (they aren't really feminist, more misandrist, or anti-fun in my experience) will see her blathering and "donate".

Strangle it of it's lifeblood.

>>2471984

Partly too late. Cat's out of the bag. /v/ flipped their shit a few years ago.

Partly true. She just vanished for like years in relevancy. Then gamergate came up and suddenly she was relevant again. Even got on The Colbert Report.

>But yes, it's not fair she's a mini-celebrity, it's not fair she's made a dime for whining about issues that aren't issues at all. But remember, the more she's discussed, the more power she gets, and the attention feeds into her financials because some moron or desperate white knight or "feminist" (they aren't really feminist, more misandrist, or anti-fun in my experience) will see her blathering and "donate".

Also forgetting: the naive. A lot of well meaning leftists hear "feminist" and just automatically side with them. They don't know that they're actually sort of loons, and certainly know nothing about games. The main audience of Anita and Josh are non-gamers.

There's enough of this sort of discussion on /v/, please keep it there. This is not relevant to retro games in any way.

>>2471987
Before my last couple years of college, I am ashamed to admit, I was what you would call a "well meaning leftist" - I didn't support Anita, as she wasn't a thing at the time, but I did fall under that umbrella and I backed some stupid causes until I actually researched their platforms and propositions and became revolted at what their actual intentions were.

Now I'm third party, my hatred of american right wingers hasn't faded, I've just gained a hatred for the "left" here.

>>2471987
Also I, in general, love the Colbert Report, but some of the people they have on that show are genuine pieces of shit and I have no idea why you'd want to book them.

>>2471992

Reject post modernist far left.

Embrace Center-left. There needs to be a revival of center-left ideals and values. They're still relevant. It's just that the center-left politicians have become corrupt, and center-left movement apathetic. The dynamism is in the far left and right wing movements.

>>2471993
colbert report is liberal propaganda, I have no idea why people act like he's impartial in any way

>>2472005
I would embrace it, if there were a movement to latch on to, or a way to realistically set in motion a way to create a movement.

The system has become corrupt as fuck in the US and the west as a whole, affecting political change is almost impossible.

I have friends that bitch about republicans and democrats, then balk at the idea when I tell them about Libertarians or Green Party or (insert whatever their ideals seem to focus toward here) because "WELL THEY'LL NEVER WIN", which is a cultural self-fulfilling prophecy, as that attitude is why they will never win.

So yeah, been "throwing away my vote" for 12 years now. Which is approximately how long I've been able to vote.

>>2472005
>>2471992

isn't that called libertarian?

>>2472013
He's pretty clearly liberal slanted, however, they mock both sides, which gives the illusion of parity.

Much how MSNBC will rail against the right, or Fox will the left, then throw in some insignificant criticism of their own party, to appear fair, then continue.

>>2472018
not that this is related to /vr/, really, but I view "Libertarian" as independent of left or right wing schools of thought, and more of a counter to "Authoritarian".

There are left-libertarians and right-libertarians, but all of them espouse freedom of choice and action, so far as you aren't infringing on other people's life or property.

It's a different coordinate on a different axis

>>2472014

There is another.

The way the system works, is you can't have 3rd parties. The entire system is biased against them. Other countries have different systems which allow third (or fourth or fifth parties) to flourish. So the solution is to instead work through the Republican and Democratic parties. This is what Bernie Sanders has been doing.

>>2471967
> I don't know who Josh is

It's the guy who writes her stuff and runs her Twitter

>>2472038
Man responsible for brilliant posts like these

>>2472038
So basically he's her pet cuck cum man behind the mask?

>>2472038

Josh and Anita co-write and co-produce. They take turns on the twitter. You never know who's actually writing it.

>>2472043
Posing as game devs? Haha, I like how he summarily and entirely discredits all of the skill of the developers and the now classic product that they developed because he perceives the name BJ as a sexual innuendo (which, even if that was their intent beyond just picking the actual name/abbreviation name of BJ, would in no way reduce them to the level of middle schoolers - not everyone is required to have a highbrow sense of humor).

Toy Story stars a male toy named Woody. Totally not an aggressively masculine sexual innuendo inspired name made up by middle schoolers posing as animators.

>>2472051
He's basically a self-important "Everybody's stupid except me" chump that's useful for spawning controversial statements.

Which is the best kind of fuel for Anita's business, really.

>>2472069
Don't even get them started on Dick Tracy.

>>2472081
I wish I could make a living by posting inane observations like that on the internet.

I'm curious to hear their proposed solution. Unless he had a followup to that, what problem does he find with the "kill or be killed" mentality present in some games? What is the alternative? Get rid of all games except for Tetris?

I love how these groups posit antagonism between males and females, completely ignoring women with traditionalist or just anti-feminist stances. Because actual arguments require effort and honesty.

>>2472114

He's made other posts where he laments that games have the potential to produce empathy or something. Reading between the lines, he's against all violent video games and thinks games should be non-violent social simulations or something. Not sure what that would actually entail. You know I'm all for someone taking a shot at that and making it entertaining or fun.

He's also made tweets saying that violent media leads to violence in society too. So that's why he and Anita care so god damn much about media. They think it causes all sorts of social ills.

>>2472114
>tetris
Ugh, that game has such disgusting phallic imagery.

So what do you guys think of Sunsoft's Batman?

>>2472114
I know I'm late to the party since I don't keep up with this stuff, but after glancing at his twitter it is obvious that he simply hates videogames. One tweet basically says that "When it comes to violence I see folks saying "watching movies and playing games are the same". Nope, fundamentally different experiences." Unless he can produce evidence of his implication that controlling a character performing violence somehow makes people violent while watching real people on screen perform acts of violence doesn't beyond "muh feels," I really don't see why it matters one way or the other. It is a sad day when people like this can gather an internet following of other "high-thinking" imbeciles.

>>2472140
>Unless he can produce evidence

Oh that's another thing. They don't believe in or care about science. They don't test any of their claims or assumptions. They come from English studies, and degrees like that. They don't come from a science-y culture or background. It leads them to be intellectually sloppy, and asserting claims as unquestionable facts. If they did real science they'd be taken more seriously.

>>2472129
Tetris is another projection of male masculinity where the gameplay is designed around filling holes with suggestive objects, unconsciously fueling the male power fantasy.

>>2472134
It's pretty cool, but the Genesis Batman and Robin is my favorite retro Batman game.

>>2472140
The funniest thing is, Mcintosh himself doesn't even have that high a following, and even high-level game devs have publicly made fun of him.

But when he says the same thing on the Anita account, it gets plenty of RTs from crazy feminists.

Keep in mind that one of his repeated points on his "25 privileges of being a male gamer" is that "people take his words seriously since he's a man".

>>2471918
>Anybody with an academic interest in gaming would be curious about the lasting appeal of the game, how its impression changed over the years, etc.

people with an academic interest in video games are faggots.

anyway, doom maintains appeal because it is basically "rapid prototyping: the game". you can put together a competent mod for doom in a month's time, where it would take a year for other engines.
I mean, shit, most of the people in the doom threads here could probably put a map together, and about half of them could script new weapons and enemies if asked. with that shallow of a learning curve, and that much of the fan base being able to produce content with relative ease, you get a shit ton of content which leads to a high replay value.

>>2472030
>Bernie Sanders

hey look, its democrat Ron Paul! I wonder if he'll make anime real too!

Great now we have feminist garbage on /vr/ as well

>>2472005
>Reject post modernist far left.
But this is wrong. The left that you're talking about, the SJWs and whatever, is EXACTLY central social-democracy left, still desperately clinging to capitalist values while attempting to whitewash them with a façade of faux ethics and first world problems. It is ultimately an acceptance of the current inequalities by attempting to redeem some minor flaws, ergo, you complain about women's roles in videogames but you give no shit about actual women rights both in the 1st, 2nd and 3rd world.

So called center-left to center-right politics (or liberals, like they're appropriately called by real leftists) do no believe in a real change or the hope of a classless society. They believe in bandaging capitalist democracies the same way one clings to old habits due to fear of trying something new, despite the fact that it's broken by default. Obviously if you defend a system that allows permeability of outside interests, the alienation of masses and increased unregulation and exploitation, it won't be long 'till it will all turn to shit. No matter how much you fight corruption, the flaw is systemic, and even people with good intentions will be weeded out by the system itself.

>>2471940
Need more speed

>>2471940
I've heard the new one has non-interactive gory kill scenes. It's like they don't understand their own game. Sad.

>>2472862
It is, at best, a bastardization of those principles.

It's identity politics run amok, and it will end itself (however, it won't be pretty, for them, or the nation as a whole).

>>2472030
Guy you were replying to - went to sleep.

I disagree with Bernie on individual issues a lot of the time, but I recognize what he's doing, and respect him for that. Still votes "questionably" a lot for me, but I imagine he's toeing the party line to make fewer enemies in the house.

Still don't like the practice, personally. Third parties have to be allowed/healthy for the main parties to stay sane. After Perot they kinda stomped third parties into the ground to avoid getting embarrassed again, and the political system as a whole, which was already corrupt, got *much* worse for it.

>>2473040
>It is, at best, a bastardization of those principles.
No, it's the symptomatic propagation of their faults. You literally live in a system that, for instance, acknowledges that everyone should have right to free education and healthcare, but forces you to pay for it outside of your taxes. That censors oppression and exploitation of the poor yet feeds on it by proxy by extracting precious resources from third world countries at ludicrously cheap prices, consequentially causing wars and famines, BUT THEN sends piss-poor humanitarian help so people don't feel so bad about doing it. And it has always been like this, it's no fucking bastardization. It's the way it is.

>It's identity politics run amok, and it will end itself (however, it won't be pretty, for them, or the nation as a whole).
No it wont, it will just get worse until someone finds another reason to bitch about so they can keep ignoring the real problems that plague our world.

just what the fuck is this thread

>>2472051

They're both so sexless and frigid that I'm pretty sure cuck isn't even a possibility in their household.

>>2471915
>video games should be nice and humanizing experiences
This is true, but violence is part of the human experience, and should be portrayed.

I never heard anyone say Saving Private Ryan should have been less violent.
I never heard anyone say A Farewell to Arms, The Red Badge of Courage, or The Painted Bird should have been less violent.
No one ever says Michelangelo's paintings are "too violent", etc.

Video games are an art form like any other, and should be treated as such.

Of course there will always be "low art." The society that allowed Charles Dickens to be published also allowed Stephanie Meyer. A natural consequence of living in a free society, with free expression, is that you're not going to like everything you see and hear.

>>2475551
>violence is part of the human experience, and should be portrayed.
There's an imbalance and you know this.

>I never heard anyone say Saving Private Ryan should have been less violent.
It's not like 95% of all movies are violent.

>Video games are an art form like any other, and should be treated as such.
Correct, and part of that means pointing out that the vast majority of them use violence as only conflict resolution.

>>2475553
>There's an imbalance
Free market. The reason they keep making violent video games is because people keep buying them. What's the problem?

>>2475559
>Free market
It does not work how you think it works

>What's the problem?
>>2475551
>Video games are an art form like any other
As such they are subject to criticism. Appealing to primal instincts to make it easier for the developer and avoiding complicated gameplay decisions is very valid and necessary criticism.

>>2475562
>It does not work how you think it works

Fuck off, pinko. If I had my way your kind would be rotting in Guantanamo.

Has anyone got their hands on a copy of Powerslave EX that they'd like to share? I showed up late to the party.