/vr/ - Retro Games

===NEWS===

[06-14] Doom4 trailer shown at E3. Mixed reactions but at least there's some kind of mod support.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NteAPGprDJk

[06-14] Comfy Doom, a new vanilla-resources gameplay mod
http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=48845

[06-12] Sunlust (Ribbiks / dannebubinga) megawad beta release
http://www.doomworld.com/vb/wads-mods/68089-

[06-10] Zero Master completes a full 30 level Plutonia run on Nightmare!
http://www.doomworld.com/vb/doomworld-news/73116-

[06-10] Another Romero interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9v_0HD7iOz4

[06-07] The /newstuff Chronicles #476
http://www.doomworld.com/php/topstory.php?id=4433

[06-05] Brutal Doom v20 released
http://www.moddb.com/mods/brutal-doom/news/brutal-doom-version-20-released

[06-04] Doom inducted into Video Game Hall of Fame
http://www.worldvideogamehalloffame.org/
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-33005297

[06-03] GMOTA v0.9.9
http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=45115

[06-02] Powerslave EX has been pulled (legal reasons apparently)
>>2445279
https://powerslaveex.wordpress.com/2015/05/28/new-release-coming-soon/comment-page-1/#comment-280

[05-31] OMG Weapons and Monsters! V4 release
http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?p=838200#p838200

[05-30] D-Touch promo (Android port supporting GZDoom 1.8.6)
https://yadi.sk/d/D1I-unx_gxLnJ

[05-29] Hotline UAC (Hotline Miami mod)
http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=48703

[05-29] Android port of Xash3D
>>2435656 >>2435685
https://github.com/SDLash3D/xash3d-android-project/releases/

[05-29] GBA Doom Deathmatch Remake v2, map01/02 complete
http://www.best-ever.org/download?file=gbadmplusv2.wad

[05-28] Bloodshedder and The Green Herring chosen as new /idgames maintainers
http://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1375733

[05-26] /idgames update: maintainer Ty Halderman "alive, but hospitalized"
http://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1374872

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Please reply to this post with news.

Who agitated here?

DOOM 4 - ERRYBODY DIES
But in all seriousness, I wonder what can be taken from Doom 4 as inspiration for mods? I certainly wouldn't mind a variant of Brutal Doom that sorta went for the quicker and more efficient executions combined with just blowing enemies apart quickly and efficiently at the cost of being able to die real fast if you're not careful.

Oh wait, someone would say that's what it already is.

>>2472006
>I wonder what can be taken from Doom 4 as inspiration for mods?
FLYING REVENANTS
GOD DAMN IT EVERYTHING NEEDS FLYING REVENANTS

>>2471995
>[06-14] Doom4 trailer shown at E3
Some gameplay footage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=galOoNQ483Q

Doom 4: Mostly Brown Edition

>>2472006
>What can be taken from Doom 4 as inspiration for mods
Findable weapon upgrades
Health and ammo dropping from enemies instead of in the level by default
Powerup that turns the player into a Revenant with a jetpack.

>>2472007
Someone already made a flying revenants mod. But I wouldn't mind taking the Doom 4 type where they basically are flying artillery assholes rather than sucker-punching homing rocket fuckers. Keeps the pace frantic and the player from just camping one location.

>Op wallpaper
Oh look, the color blue. Something completely absent in the new doom along with cool looking guns and enemy variety.
Fuck I'm so bitter.

>>2472007
I'm tempted to change the melee-only Revenant in OMGWPNS V5 to either fly or randomly jump

solves the issue of user maps where they spawn at tall areas and cannot do anything

>>2472010
thanks, and apologies that i posted too fast

I fell asleep during Bethesda's Conference?

I'm assuming /vr/ hated it?

>>2472020
please make them, but make them an option. Thank you <3

>>2472017
Blue is absent from 1&2 outside of water.

Where can I get a list of the deathmatch maps for Doom 2 so I can load them into zandronum?

>>2472026
Pretty split decisions, lot hated, lot loved.

I'm kinda in the middle, I was expecting to either be overjoyed or disgusted at Doom, but the reality was... Looks very good, does not look great. I'll buy, I'll play, I'll enjoy, but it won't have the lasting appeal of 1/2.

this is clearly all opinion, subjective, and is based purely on design iterations seen so far, it very well could be a turd, or life-changingly awesome, but I got neither feeling from watching the previews

>>2472026
Mixed reception. Some think it's too slow, others think it was because the person who recorded the plays was playing on a controller and trying to make the game look cinematic. Some like the designs and aesthetic, others hate it or think it's Doom 3.5. Some don't mind the chainsaw and executions, others hate their mere existence for interrupting flow and taking control out of the player's hands.

This is gonna be another Doom community splitting title like Doom 3 was, but at least this one looks fun at first glance compared to Doom 3's survival horror billing.

>>2472032
nigga pls

>>2472032
Carpet, that one techbase texture that's just blue lines, soulsphere, the one round lamp, cacodemons, blue torches, FIREBLU, probably more

>>2472039
>Pretty split decisions, lot hated, lot loved.

Fair enough, but which side is the smart one?

>>2472048
The smart side waits for a playable version first.

>>2472041
The speed was much faster at max (notice when he jumped and right before it, for example, or the entirety of multiplayer, etc), I think he was going slow as shit to... Actually I can't think of a reason, but I really think that's what was going on.

And let's be honest, did the chainsaw in 1/2 not pretty much lock you on target? I realize an execution is less interruptable than the spam refocusing of the original, but it's not *that* far off.

>>2472048
I'm sticking with my camp of "cautious optimism" being the "smart" one. Game looked good, but there were significant flaws. Game speed, although I just semi-refuted it above I think, is a concern, shotgun and plasma rifle looked borderline anemic, and while I don't believe this is an engine limitation or something, there weren't a whole bunch of enemies on screen at a time, so I'm concerned there.

However, besides those listed concerns, and the always-present "can we please fucking have real levels again" concern? Everything looked pretty stellar.

>>2472048
>which side is the smart one?
the one that ignores the corporate and journalist fuelled hype and instead carries on playing the originals+pwads+mods until they actually have something real they can try

>>2472031
I can make them optional, but I'm waiting for Z& 3.0 so I can have stupid fun with named scripts

>>2472037
PLS

Hm, not really liking what they did to the Cyberdemon. Looks more like a shortstacked minotaurs than a tall buff demon.

>>2472037
>the deathmatch maps for Doom 2
er, you'll have to be more specific

>>2472082
I remember I set up deathmatch for Doom 2 through zandronum once, but I completely forgot how to now.

So how will New-Doomguy compare to the original?

>>2472089
Wouldn't the skulls get knocked off the door as it opened?

>>2472093
Well, he can get bitchslapped with his own torn off arm by a shrieking revenant now, so "favorably"?

>>2472090
the thing is, you see, doom2 doesn't have separate deathmatch maps. this is why your original question was confusing. obviously people have made maps specifically for deathmatch play after the fact, but they number in their thousands, so it would be some task to give a list...

>>2472104
Is there a wad with a bunch of good ones?

the prophecy was true

>>2472108
dwango5

>>2472110
Any others?
I'm using skulltag's right now.
It follows the maplist once the first round with the first chosen map is over, right?

>>2472113
i remember enjoying 32in24-11
udmx is also good
greenwar if you prefer a more oldschool look

>>2472089
Man, new hell needs patching up. Way too much brown rock.

>>2472010
The originals were also mostly brown too.

>>2472130

>that caco in the back with his mouth open
>their mouths in general

>>2472026
It seems slow, linear, and is filled with cinematic takedowns. The chainsaw also only does cinematic attacks.
I hated it, but I wasn't really expecting it to be good in the first place.

>>2472130
what other colours does brimstone come in?

>>2472130
that's embarrassingly brown

even the sky is brown

on the other hand those cacodemons look smug and happy as heck

>>2472130
>that caco on the left
he's full on ISHYGDDT

>>2472079

Some people said it looks like something straight out of a korean MMO. I like his metallic arm though

>>2472102
I suppose Original Doomguy also jumped through the wad multiverse for over 20 years too

>>2472161

As of Doom 64, Doomguy stayed in Hell to continue fighting off Hell for the rest of time, so canonically yes.

>>2472130
They look like Langoliers.

So what do you guys think of the new demon designs? Do you like them? Do you wish for a more traditional look (goats!)?

>>2472010
Looks pretty good, finishers could need a little bit more variation, not a whole bunch of all new finishers, but like just a bit of variation on each of them, like when he drives the saw down into the torso of an enemy from the shoulder, sometimes it could veer off and just sever the the entire shoulder area and arm from the rest of the body.

The plasma is cool, but it could need a bit more bite, just hurt slightly more, a little bit of recoil, and a louder noise, like, I picture the rapid release of superheated gases, that should sound kind of like a soft, high-pitched bang. You could still have the PEW PEW noises too, but there should be a PEW at the same time there'd be a BANG, like a BANGPEW or a PEWBANG.

Belt-fed machinegun looks cool as shit.
Shotgun looks alright, though the travel of the pump-slide feels really short.
I wish the Super Shotgun had a proper stock.

Revenant tearing your arm off is cool, BUT, it's not making the noise you'd expect, you should hear the crunching and 'popping' as he tears the arm out of it's socket (and in the process breaking that socket), not just the sound from the outside of the body, but that kind of sound would really travel inside of the body, the vibration of it, also, experiencing such a trauma such as your arm being torn out from the body should make you flinch, spazz, jerk and shake out of reflex, that would be unbearably painful, you'd instinctively turn to look at the pain/damage.
In the video, the arm being torn off sounds more like a SPLUSH noise, as if there was no bone or anything in the arm and that the arm was made out of skin, fat, blood and no other kind of tissue.

Not sure how to feel about the enemies dropping health, on one hand that can make gameplay more flowing, but on another that gives you less of a reason to explore and look for health and stuff. At least it's not regen health.
I definitively don't think enemies should be dropping ammo unless they're an enemy that are using that ammo.

>>2472181
>>2472181
I'm not a fan of the zombies at all.
The possessed undead and mutant experiments deserve 2nd amendment rights too.

>>2472181

I want more traditional looks--or failing that, more grotesque horror/occult-based designs.
At the moment, all of the monsters look like pretty generic sci-fi mutants.

Why the fuck do monsters drop health and ammo.
Its makes no sense to me, the only purpose it serves is to ruin the need to manage the resources in the level.
How are they going to make the game harder in latter levels if they can't control how much health and ammo is available to the player?

>>2472181
I wish they'd just do a high-res redesign of the original enemies that kept the traditional demonic aesthetic instead of the high-speed-low-drag wow much gray very vinyl so edge bullshit that makes them look like every other fucking generic sci-fi ayylmao/mutant/etc. enemy in the last ten years.

Do people honestly think that that shit looks good? I'd like to see whoever started that entire aesthetic drawn and quartered.

>>2472194
It's probably a difficulty thing.
And a balance between modern shooter and classic. Instead of hiding behind walls while your screen returns to normal, you can continue trying to fight.

You could also think of the enemy drops as resource management as you'll want to keep 1 or 2 weak guys around while fighting a larger enemy so you can kill them for health.

Looks like nobody told Bethesda that Doom is about demons from hell and not space aliens (that's Quake.)

>>2472194
>Its makes no sense to me, the only purpose it serves is to ruin the need to manage the resources in the level.
Enemies aren't infinite though. You still need to manage your shit. Also the drops might disappear.
I could see it as an argument against exploration (though we haven't seen, say, the weapon attachments drop from enemies) though.
>How are they going to make the game harder in latter levels if they can't control how much health and ammo is available to the player?
More enemies that also hit harder? Replacing lower level enemies with higher level ones?

>>2472186
haha that picture is great

>>2472181
I like some of them, the Revenant is great, but I don't have a lot to say about the others because I can't really get a good look at them.

Guys with the gun arms look kinda cool I guess.

Also, the way Doomguy loads the supershotgun bothers me, he doesn't flick the latch to release the barrels, it looks like he just forces it open (in the process breaking the cross-bolt), inserts the shells, then just closes it.
It implies the gun doesn't lock closed anymore so actually shooting it would probably be very dangerous. Shotguns aren't held closed by friction.

All the change it really needs is showing him using his right thumb to flick the latch, and then the barrels dropping by gravity (or by him assisting with his hand), then ejectors shooting out the empty shells, him inserting the new shells, then flicking the gun closed.

>>2472194
>Its makes no sense to me
The game has ROCKET-FIRING SKELETONS WITH JETPACKS

>>2472181
>>2472210
http://the-goddamn-doomguy.tumblr.com/post/121565452340/hi-res-screenshots-from

Some high res pics.

>>2472194
How are they going to make the game harder in latter levels if they can't control how much health and ammo is available to the player?
That's one of the factors that make so boring the modern fps.
Personally I disliked the copious ammo drops compared to the limited enemies and how one sided the fights are. (favoring the player)
But the amount of blood put in the game is incredibly correct, specially comparing to brutal.

>>2472213
>ROCKET-FIRING SKELETONS WITH JETPACKS
few things make more sense than this.

>>2472219
>Personally I disliked the copious ammo drops compared to the limited enemies and how one sided the fights are. (favoring the player)
The guy would've died, a lot, if it weren't for the fact that the game was set to make him unkillable.

>>2472214
If that's the Cyberdemon, I hate the 'flat' horns, fucking awful.
Also it looks like he has a jet turbine on his arm instead of a rocket launcher. Also he looks compacted, like they compressed the design down, make him shorter in favor of making him thicker.

I like the sort of vaguely Geiger like arms on the Mancubus.

>>2472047
Plasma Rifle, Arachnotron eyes, mega armor, blue keys, some computer screen/tech textures, and half of the Doom logo. I don't think >>2472032 has played Doom 1 or 2.

>Takedowns are possible all of the time
Aw fuck. It's just gore for gore's sake.
It's not even a reward for exploring the levels like in the classics. Hell, there's probably no secrets in this and no reward in finding anything because all the health and ammo in the world spews out from monsters like fucking piñatas.

>>2472219
You did notice he was on godmode, right?

>>2472194
>they have no control how much health and ammo is available

Er, uh, they have that control, drops could be determined monster by monster, or level by level, and will almost certainly be determined based on difficulty.

Retard babby mode will drop *tons* of stuff and it will be easy. The hardest difficulty will be spartan as fuck and might remove all drops.

like everything else not explicitly seen in the preview, this is all speculation, but it makes sense

The Cacodemons look like Langoleirs.

>>2472226
It seems like it's the Cyberdemon, yeah.
He looks taller (but hunched) in the other pic.
And yeah, no more arm RL by the looks of it. An energy thing seems to have taken it's place.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wQD9gO1tB0
>infighting
>what looks like being able to give enemies patrols, or make basic cinematics

Shit, if the demon transformation power-up is useable in SnapMap singleplayer stuff, imagine entire map challenges where you're turned into a specific demon and forced to fight your way through as them?

>>2472226
why Mr. Revenant, when did your guns get so... big?

>>2472225
>>2472235
Yeah but I'm looking at it as if any of us cool boys where playing.
I know he wasted ammo and had shit accuracy and didn't covered himself of projectiles a number of times but I bet a pepsi any average Doom player could play it with almost zero hits taken.

>>2472243
>Bragging about having a map editor as good as a console exclusive that came out 13 years ago

>>2472236
>Freet Girls
heh

>>2472248
If you mean Timesplitters, I loved that series and advocate more games having something like it. Let's be fair here - it's a goddamn miracle nowadays for a game that's probably gonna suffer severe consolitis, to have a content creator alongside its main courses of singleplayer and multiplayer.

>>2472232
Quickly killing something without expending ammunition is only for gore? Oh... Uh, okay.

I imagine the loot fountain will be *severely* nerfed in higher difficulties. But I'm with you on the lack of exploration, it's too early to call, but it looks like that's kinda fallen by the wayside.

>>2472259
>Quickly killing something without expending ammunition is only for gore?

Actually anon, you can only execute dudes when they're glowing and vulnerable, meaning you have to shoot dudes first.

Which has me worried, what the fuck is gonna happen if you're completely out of ammo?

Everybody said Serious Sam 3 was going to suck ass, but then it turned out insanely good and fun.

I'm gonna give them the benefit of the doubt.

>>2472254
>it's a goddamn miracle nowadays for a game that's probably gonna suffer severe consolitis, to have a content creator alongside its main courses of singleplayer and multiplayer.
Less so when the decades old original entries in the series still have an active modding and multiplayer scene and the developers have been slurping mustard cock pretty hard.

>>2472243
That's cool, but to be customization also means custom textures and stuff.

Which the PC version will probably be able to use.

>>2472265
Serious Hitscan 3 was mostly annoying.

>>2472264
Chainsaw, fists, etc.

And I imagine if you don't execute or put a few more bullets in them, they come back to their senses and attack, no? Or do they fall over like a MK FINISH HIM animation?

>>2472265
/v/, /vr/, and /vg/ will unanimously decry ANYTHING. Seriously, pay them no mind, unless they cite criticisms that are objective, or ones you agree with or are concerned about yourself. They'll literally bitch about any miniscule thing and act like it's the end of the world.

>>2472271
>the developers have been slurping mustard cock pretty hard.
uh, what does that mean?

>>2472274
At least it had proper modding tools so you could change the hitscanners into laser gun wielding assholes instead. But yeah, SS3's pacing was just goddamn awful, which is sad since the previous games were nowhere near as drawn out about it.

>>2472278
It means that they've been trying to get the mustards to pay attention much more than you usually see for a AAA shooter.

>>2472282
The fuck is a mustard

This nigga needs to come back.

but without the silly old man head in his mouth

>>2472276
not /vr/, this is literally the "reliving your childhood without all the crap that made it miserable wow i'm having so much fun everything is radical" board.

>>2472276

You can't select fists, anon. and you won't always have the chainsaw available. I'm hoping there's at least a generic melee bash.

>>2472283
/v/ term for PC users.

>>2472158

>pic

it's funny because it's true

>>2472194

I've never seen that picture of John before.what's the source, anon?

>>2472279
SS3 had paced you very forgiving only the first game, but it's not surprising for a revived FPS on the modern market, and personally once the game really got going I thought it was more exciting than the original Sam games.

>>2472289
Gotcha. gotcha.

>>2472287
Can't, or "Didn't see it on the weapon wheel or see it in the video"?

>>2472291
The opening to that game almost turned me off it completely. I'm glad I stuck with it - but ugh that was disgusting for the first couple hours.

>>2472279
SS3 had paced you very forgivingly compared to the first game, but it's not surprising for a revived FPS on the modern market, and personally once the game really got going I thought it was way more exciting than the original Sam games.

>>2472295

There's no fists on the weapon wheel, so how else would you select fists? I'm gonna go with you probably don't have them, and you'll most likely either have a melee bash or you'll be completely defenseless when out of ammo.

>>2472297
generic bash or fists WILL be in the game, it would be absolutely asinine otherwise.

>>2472302

They could still fuck this up anon, you remember that.

>>2472304
That's literally true 24/7/365, even after games reelase (like SWGalaxies, like Gauntlet reboot)

>>2472307
Starbound

>>2472315

Thanks for reminding me about that, shithead

>>2472315

and anon with the low blow

>>2472265
It turned out good, but only after the first 4 levels. Level 2 in SS3 was almost as bad as CoD campaign.

>>2472315
Goddamnit why did you have to bring that up. My mood just noticeably darkened because of that.

POST DOOM COMICS

>>2472010
The scripted cinematic animations killed it for me. It's way too centric to gameplay. Having canned animations for chainsaw also sucks dick. Shame, I was defending this pile of shit the other day. Also the weapons don't seem satisfying, at all. I don't understand why so few developers get satisfying gunplay down. Weapon wheel sucked too but I guess that won't be a problem on PC.

Anyway for those worrying that it's too slow, there was more footage of Doom during Bethesda's conference; the bit where they were talking about 'Doom Snapmap' or something. There was gameplay shown during that segment that was clearly much faster; so yeah, the guy playing Doom 4 for the show as indeed going slowly for 'cinematic flair' (why the fuck do people eat this shit up these days?).

I'm also wondering how they're gonna get that gameplay at 1080p60fps on consoles like they said they would. It's not like the game looks unbelievable or anything (Doom 3.5 is an accurate description) but I still don't see that happening.

I'm probably still gonna buy it close to launch if its reviews aren't terrible.

>>2472349
>buy it close to launch
I'm going to wait to see what kind of DLC/preorder/DRM crap they'll pull with this and maybe get a GOTY version when it's ten bucks.

>>2472349
>hasn't played it yet
>calls it a pile of shit
Maybe people shouldn't get reveals if they're going to act like toddlers. You guys obviously aren't grown up enough to be able to handle them.

>>2472349
I think it might look a lot better once we get non-scripted gameplay; in the clips we got, the player had godmode on and didn't move nearly as fast as they could have most of the time. Gotta show off them GRAFIX after all; that's the main normie selling point.

>>2472358
Apparently I'm not allowed to judge a game by an 8 minute gameplay reveal. Alright.

kek

>>2472358
People get upset that a 2015 FPS has modern shooter conventions and slow paced quirks/"flair," so because it's not like a FPS made 20 years ago that we all grew up with, it's a pile of shit.

(I can agree that the chainsaw mechanics are disappointing, however)

>>2472358
>Maybe people shouldn't get reveals if they're going to act like toddlers.
Yeah, gamers are so entitled!!

>>2472371
Neo /v/ really loves gagging down the corporate cock. Wish I had that one comic saved.

>>2472370
100%

>>2472370

>>2472374
I bet you listen to exclusively older music,
and watch exclusively older movies.

>>2472370
It's weird. If this were any other series, people would either just shrug it off as generic or think it's a breath of fresh air amongst all these realistic shooters (although now the trend seems to be moving towards double-jumps, wall-climbing, and powersuits). But because it's Doom, despite everyone knowing that it's been handled by pretty much an entirely different team, the game's being held up to standards to an FPS from like 21 years ago and being judged harshly for it to ridiculous degrees.

I mean, that's standard when it comes to reviving franchises, but it's ridiculous how much vitriol there is for this game because it's "Doom 3.5" or not Doom.

>>2472381
I know what do they want? Do they literally want them to take the 20 year old doom engine and just make another doom out of it?

>>2472381
>game in series gets judged based on its predecessors

You're right, that is harsh. While we're at it, let's not judge MoO3.

>>2472370
So modern shooter conventions can't be considered shit just because they're 'modern'? Sorry but I don't like scripted combat bullshit getting in the way of actual seamless core gameplay, and I don't need some child telling me that I have to like it just because it's 'modern', especially when it's in relation to a 20 year old franchise that they are marketing as a throwback to 'retro FPS' gameplay. Fuck off.

>>2472378
I'm not gonna play devil's advocate and pretend i'm not on a board titled "retro games," because I do get that the fanbase is centered around the original two games, but it's the hyperbole that's really annoying.

Even if executions are mildly annoying compared to what we're used to (which is ironic considering there's a somewhat favorable Brutal Doom fanbase, which is far more excessive) to call it a pile of shit over something that's likely easy to get over and doesn't exactly look mandatory outside of the Chainsaw, is irritating.

It truly fascinates me that this ruined the game for somebody, but I don't consider myself a hardass like most Doom fans.

>>2472386
Except the predecessors shaped and inspired the rest of the genre to take hold from its forerunning existence. You can't really stand up to that no matter what you do, even with today's teams. Wrack even tried to recreate what made Doom what it was, and instead you basically got a clunky Doom-wannabe.

I'm not saying don't judge it by its pedigree, but i'm seeing a lot of people across forums and imageboards with sticks up their asses going, "This isn't Doom!" There's problems and flaws, big time, but it looks alright (not great) to me and I play Doom almost daily.

>>2472391
Different guy, but I wish you could use the chainsaw like in Doom 1&2 and 3.

That's my gripe, that all we've seen the chainsaw do is do finishers.

>>2472391
>which is ironic considering there's a somewhat favorable Brutal Doom fanbase
I like Brutal Doom but I never used the scripted kills. It's entirely secondary to the core gameplay and you don't have to use it. Doom 4 is a lot more obnoxious with it. Whenever you get close to a weakened enemy they light up like a Christmas tree signaling that you can rip them apart. Every single kill with the goddamn chainsaw was also scripted. This is bad, period.

>>2472389
Go back to /v/ with your kneejerk reaction (that completely misses the point) and over-the-top textrage. This is an adult board.

>>2472402
I'm probably older than you are child.

>>2472398
>Whenever you get close to a weakened enemy they light up like a Christmas tree signaling that you can rip them apart

So just don't rip them apart?

I bought a gamepad for my android phone just for Doom.

>>2472403
>I'm an adult that acts like an autistic child throwing a fit of rage on an anonymous imageboard because another user said something I don't agree with, fuck off!

K.

>>2472381
I think the main point of contention that most people have is that it's really not that fucking hard to make a game like Doom or DII and as such there's really no reason to fix what's not broken by "overhauling" it - there's almost no writing, a relative handful of models and environments, the gameplay boils down to "run around really fast and kill literally everything you see" 90% of the time and the only action the player has available to them is activating a binary object like a switch or door.

>>2472408
I forgot to mention that they could probably re-use the sounds from DII and the fans would suck their dick for it, so that's even less to worry about.

>>2472407
Uh, no. I replied coherently to the arguments thrown against me and explained why I didn't like the features demonstrated in Doom 4. You on the other hand are strawmanning and memetexting like the child you are.

>>2472406
why do you have two batteries

>>2472406
i honestly don't even know what to say anon. your parents must be proud

>>2472408
Except that's all there. You'll progress through environments, there's simple puzzles or switches and shit to mess with (and probably keycards along the way), and lots of Demons to blast. Who are more agile than in previous games while the player can take less damage than even vanilla Doom 1/2. I get the hatred for the melee/chainsaw system, or how weak the guns seem, but they really did seem to try to keep the gameplay old-school while giving it a unique kick in the pants for the sake of flavor and individuality. The big differences are the mobility, the enemies themselves, and the Half-Life style of linear progression carrying from Doom 3.

It's like Mega Man. Sure I could accept another NES-style game, whatever, but I want something new that can change it up a bit, not just a rehash that throws in new gimmicks and content but is essentially the same old same old.

Seriously, you sound like you basically want them to take Doom 2, and give us a GZDoom that's recoded with fancy shaders and current-gen graphics and then give us the same game otherwise.

>>2472404
Why wouldn't you though? It's an ammo conservator.

inb4 Brutal Doom. Original Doom was already built from the ground up to be done without scripted melee kills so the fatalities supplied in BD were cheap bells and whistles that only retards got amusement out of (same as 'Fuck yoself!'). I didn't do it in BD and I didn't have to. Doom 4 however has been built to its core with this bullshit in mind and it clearly shows. It's too centric to the core combat.

>>2472413
I love this strawman meme. No one understands what a strawman actually is

>>2472413
You also used the word "gameplay" which is the dumbest buzzword coined in modern game journalism (see Icycalm's "THE STUPIDEST WORD IN VIDEOGAMES") and called me a child for seemingly no reason, along with telling me to "fuck off."

Also you don't know what a strawman is.

>>2472420
Innit the thing you put up in a cornfield to spook birds?

>>2472418
>Seriously, you sound like you basically want them to take Doom 2, and give us a GZDoom that's recoded with fancy shaders and current-gen graphics and then give us the same game otherwise.

Throw in a new set of non-linear maps and half a dozen pages of new cheeseball sci-fi to justify it all and I'd much rather have that than D4.

>>2472420

a strawman is a person set up to be a straw image easily dismissed, which is exactly what you did

>>2472420
>>I'm an adult that acts like an autistic child throwing a fit of rage on an anonymous imageboard because another user said something I don't agree with
This isn't a strawman? Alright.

>>2472423
>gameplay is a buzzword
This is what modern 4chan video game users have come to.

>>2472110
He said "a bunch of good ones" not "I am never going to change from map01".

>>2472423
>You also used the word "gameplay" which is the dumbest buzzword coined in modern game journalism

Am I actually fucking reading this?

>>2472428
The person that explained this doesn't even come from 4chan. Educate yourself.

http://insomnia.ac/commentary/gameplay/

>>2472426
im not even the same anon. But no, a strawman is purposely misrepresenting the argument to make it easier to attack WITHOUT addressing the actual argument.

>you
I'm probably older than you are child
>him
Points out the pretentious nature of your statement

and that's some how a strawman when its directly relating to the original argument

I was on /v/ browsing doom threads, came here and thought I was still at /v/ for a second there. Chill the fuck out people.

>>2472435
>im not even the same anon.

neither am i, friend, i'm just interested in the idea of a "strawman meme"

>>2472435
>But no, a strawman is purposely misrepresenting the argument to make it easier to attack WITHOUT addressing the actual argument.
that guy was ad hominem and strawman

>I'm an adult that acts like an autistic child throwing a fit of rage on an anonymous imageboard
ad hominem

>because another user said something I don't agree with
strawman. I don't care that some anon said something I don't agree with; I'm arguing why Doom 4 sucks.

>>2472437
The accused "strawman" argument was NOT a strawman argument. Christ guys if you're going to pretend these fallacy memes mean anything at least get them right.

>>2472438
ad hominem isn't fallicious.

child molester telling a babysitter the best way to take care of the children:

Baby sitter says, but you're a child molester

Child molester says HEY THATS AN AD HOMINEM
so stop pretending these mean anything

>>2472439
>pretend these fallacy memes

and there we go again.
friend, i think if you're getting upset over people misusing "fallacy memes", you may want to check as to what a "meme" actually is in the first place

>>2472441
Now you're just going on with pointless drivel. Either discuss Doom or go home.

>>2472406
Is it a pad that attaches to the phone itself or is it a device with a cord?

>>2472443
it's true tho. But yeah, DOOM. Anyone play doom 64 EX? I'm having a blast

>>2472441
That is fallacious though. If the child molester is giving sound advice you can't just claim it's false due to it's source.

Idiot.

>>2472448
So if a child molester was giving you tips on how to raise your children. You'd take his advice into consideration?

>>2472423
>"gameplay" which is the dumbest buzzword coined in modern game journalism
What.

>>2472441
Well then use your fucking judgment and decide if what the child molester is saying makes sense.

Unless it sounds like he's trying to trick you into fucking your own kids he could be right.

But this is a fucking absurd argument, I mean, someone who isn't a child molester could be giving just as good or bad advice, it's such a goddamn non-sequitur.

What you shouldn't trust a child molester with is them being alone with your kids, that's a radically different thing.

>>2472423
>"gameplay" which is the dumbest buzzword coined in modern game journalism

Jesus christo...

>>2472423
>You also used the word "gameplay" which is the dumbest buzzword coined in modern game journalism

>>2472454
>>2472460
>>2472461

See >>2472434

>>2472452
So if a child molester says don't leave your infant alone in the bathtub what he says is automatically wrong and you should do the opposite of what he says?

It's a completely nonsense argument.

What the fuck is this child molester strawman argument crap? Why would you automatically know if a person giving you child advice is a child molester or not? What does any of this shit have to do with Doom on /vr/?

>>2472464

He's a dumbass and so are you.

>>2472464
>>2472434
>some autist on some blog somewhere got really annoyed at a word and the semantics used to describe how a game literally plays and we should all listen, come on now, he's an authority

>>2472441
Why is this faggot even talking about child molestation? Creepy as fuck, is that really the only 'analogy' you could think of?

>>2472423
>the word "gameplay"
>which is the dumbest buzzword

AAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>2472441
>this entire post
>this reasoning
>this logic

>>2471995
>some kind of mod support.
It's not even what most people would call mod support.

It's a map maker that from the looks of it uses preset pieces with the option to put down enemies and objects and then there's the "game logic editor" which really just amounts to a linedef that triggers a certain event

>>2472472
Eh, I doubt you've contributed anywhere near as much as he did for the world of game theory and criticism, anime boy.

This thread smells fucking fishy.
From that trailer it appears as if they tried to put back in all the classic elements from doom 1-2 in an updated incarnation.
>Fast action, more enemies
>tense atmosphere
>punching
>Midevil fire and brimstone hell levels
>they ditched the ripped off half life elements grenades, health stations, L-train intro.

If (and that is a big if) that trailer is truly a representation of gameplay then It lives up to my expectation of what my little teen imagination envisioned it would look like someday.

Shills and /v/ pls go.

>>2472484
Appeal to authority.

>inb4 another argument about pedophiles

>>2472487
>shills the game
>Shills and /v/ pls go.
wat

>>2472493
I was just saying what they did right instead of outright panning it. Hell it does LOOK good doesnt it . I aint buying on release to find out though.

>>2472493
I don't think saying that you like the way it came out and/or like the look of the game means you're "shilling."

>>2472502
maybe I should go be a shill :P

>>2472452
You're fucking stupid.

>>2472502
it seems his qualm is with the people that disliked the game (who therefore can't be shilling it), and he proceeds to praise the game before telling shills to leave. if anything he's the shill. does he even know what 'shill' means?

>>2472446
Asus PadFone mini

>>2472425
Disgusting.

>>2472509
I Googled that and just got pictures of a phone.
What's the gamepad I mean.

Doom 4 looks gr8. Fuck off oldfags.

Can we please not discuss Doom 4 here? /v/ already has a bunch of threads for it.

>>2472505
It was supposed to be people paid by developers to advertise their game on the internet, but like many other words before it /v/ has reduced it to "anyone who doesn't have a kneejerk reaction of pure unadultered hatred toward this game".

>>2472489
He's not really much of a huge authority considering I've have never once heard of him before today, secondly anyone who claims to be a "game theorist" deserves a hearty laugh from everyone around them.

Does books involve more things than just to turn the page and read the text? Nope.

Does a game involve you to do more things then just to hold the controller and press buttons? Yes.

So when people refer to gameplay, they're referring to the mechanics and everything else within the game, when someone says "This game has bad gameplay" they're saying "This game has poor weapon balancing, class design, gunplay,level design,enemy design etc", but it's easier to just say gameplay as it gets the point across faster.

>My friend described someone using the term wrong
>Therefore it IS wrong

>>2472514
Dude I understand where you're coming from but I don't wanna post on /v/.

Whats with this shitty argument and shit about child molesters? I want /v/ to leave.

>>2472518
>but I don't wanna post on /v/.
But when the discussion of Doom 4 in this thread turns everyone to /v/-tier shitposting, thats not even an excuse anymore

Building hexen levels is starting to get FUN

>>2472521
That looks kinda good.
Shame that Hexen isn't fun to play.

Say, could that Quake gameplay mod be made to work with Hexen?

>>2472517
But specifically addressing the QTE scripted death sequences and underwhelming gunplay explains why the core gameplay is bad. I don't have a console but I also don't like that the weapon wheel slows down time, though that doesn't matter for PC. Thse are all gameplay concerns.

It also looked too slow but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they were going slowly on purpose for that 'cinematic flair' you kids love so much these days.

>>2472156
I seriously you doomguys don't do this.

>>2472512
Oh. The gamepad is the Asus Nexus gamepad.

NO I'M NOT A FANBOY.

>>2472527
oops I accidentaly whole word

>>2472527
Thank you, I was too lazy to do it myself

>>2472525
>Hexen isn't fun to play
its all in the level design, friend.

much of original hexen wasn't fun to play, and was just endless aimless searching for what the fuck you're supposed to do.

I try to make my levels clearer and more to the point.

>>2472532

There's still centaurs.

>>2472528
Oh, it's a separate device entirely.
I was hoping it would be a set of controls that would attach directly to the phone so that you could use the phone and controller together a bit like a PSP or DS.

>>2472535
>Playing Zdoomwars
>watching a single red centaur handle a swarm of enemies

>>2472532
Level design was probably the weakest link in original Hexen, lots of obtuse switch and key hunting, but the weapons felt very unsatisfying and boring, and the Cuntaurs didn't help.

Which is why I wonder if Descent Into Heresy can be made to work with Hexen.

>>2472452
Child molesters probably have pretty good advice on child raising. They want to have good material to work with. You don't even think about these things before you say them.

>>2472539
>Descent Into Heresy
what is that?

>>2472048
>Pretty split decisions, lot hated, lot loved.
>Fair enough, but which side is the smart one?

The "smart" side are the people that hate DOOM 4, because they understand the integrity of DOOM and what make the core mechanics shown of the new game fail, instead of the other side that mindlessly consume without thought or standards.

>>2472550
Gameplay mod for Heretic which replaces all the lame Heretic weapons with Quake 1 weapons.

>>2472551

It's still gonna be a million times better than Doom 3.

I'm up for at least giving it a chance and playing through it

>>2472551
I don't have to hate Doom 4 to recognize that the game has problems.

I haven't even played it yet so I don't even know how it'll play.

I like Doom 3 but that doesn't mean I don't think Doom 1 and 2 aren't better in terms of gameplay.

>>2472550
Super Nailgun

>>2472527
>not liking Doom 4
>SHIGGY DIGGY

>>2472561
Honestly, he just looks high as fuck.

>>2472181
They are all big grey turds just like Doom 3s enemies

The only thing that irked me is how far away you can be to commit fatalities. Same thing with Serious Sam 3. You "snap" forward to far.

Cyberdemon has gained some weight.

This looks much better than that shitty gameplay trailer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NteAPGprDJk

>>2472567
>Grinds up some dried human
>packs in into an infernal bong contraption
>lights it with an imp on a stick
>inhales
>raspy demonic exhale
>burps up a lost soul

>>2472532

Last I tried it, the lack of variety in weapons and enemies was a real downer

You think this snapmap shit or whatever is actually going to be legit for real modders or is it the death of whatever community can really form around it by completely limiting the users options.

Going by the Snapmap video, is it going to be limited to Techbases or something?

And why did the UAC have a lot of blue carpets in the first two Doom games?

>>2472618
>Snapmap video

What are all the videos we have now? I know of:
1) 4-second Teaser
2) 1:28 Trailer
3) 8 minute gameplay video that shows techbase

What are the others I didn't see? People are talking about hell gameplay, where's that video?

Man, what the hell happened to this thread? Can't we just talk about /vr/ Doom?

Has anyone else been playing Sunlust recently? It's been fun so far, save the crashes.

>>2472623
One of the trailers briefly showed hell, I think? It looks a little brown but yeah, it's got to be around at some point.

>>2472624
Okay

Reelism Expansion #3 when?

>>2472623
gameplay trailer #2
it's on youtube

>>2472617
there's no business case for infinite modability. they need users to get bored after a few months so they will move on and buy whatever next game the studio makes.

>>2472624
/v/ raid happened and it hasn't been cleaned up for whatever reason

>>2472617
I'm assuming the Snapmap is just an entry-level feature for users and console owners, with a full fledge modding tool soon to follow by fans.

>>2472624
that ship has sailed i'm afraid. i tried to get doom4 declared offtopic for /vr/ months ago but nobody listened. now it's become widely accepted even by the mods. you could have joined the calls before it was too late, but you made your bed, now you get to lie in it.

>>2472639
>bestcryever.mp3

You are fucking deluded if you think it's possible to suppress discussion of the latest entry on any forum.

>>2472041
>the plays was playing on a controller
was it? Many time, it felt fast and precise as a mouse.

>>2472643
no, it just requires everyone to keep to their own guidelines. when new people wander in and make offtopic posts it is kindly explained to them "this is offtopic here, please go to $elsewhere to discuss it". it happens on usenet and mailing lists all the time, but it requires the majority to respect convention.

but conversely, if enough people want anarchy, that's what they'll get. just as we've observed here.

>>2472654
They used the steam controller. You should really buy one anon, it's great.

>>2472274
>Hitscan

>>2472654
Say what
He missed SSG shots on a fucking mancubus and repeatedly rocketed himself in the face

>>2472659
>They used the steam controller.
Did they?

>>2472661
I was thinking about the UAC video. Beside, if the player is terrible, it doesn't matter if it was controller or mouse.

>>2472624
I am loving Project MSX+Colorfulhell

>>2472624
crashes? i thought it was just a bunch of boom maps and textures, what are they playing at?

>>2472668
I got to map like 4 or 5 and got a pretty consistent crash with gzdoom, probably going to try it again with just zdoom and see what happens.

>>2472667
Colorful Hell sounded like a really neat mod, but I kinda find the completely painted over sprites from some monsters to be jarring.

>>2472148
if only they added an option to turn that off to keep everyone happy.

maybe it's not yet too late, or is the majority of gamers too used to QTE's and other gameplay interruptions and shit?

>>2472194
what if your skill at killing determined amount of health packs and ammo dropped?

that would be pretty neat.

>>2472624
Sunlust is great. Though it gets nearly Sunder tier on UV, HMP feels pretty right.

>>2472274
Daily reminder that faggots that bitch about hitscan are the shittiest 'gamers' to ever exist.

>>2472283
How new is this retard holy shit

>>2472680
The author himself called UV "a BS difficulty", and that's Sunlust's HMP is an equivalent of UV.

>>2472026
Personally, I'm kind of "meh" about it. I didn't go into the panel expecting all that much and sort of liked what I saw. The only thing I had a problem with were the live reactions, which seemed a bit phoned in. I'm sure half them were just there for Fallout and couldn't have cared less about Doom

>>2472705
I like that on UV, map29's name starts making perfect sense.

>>2472705
they are both regular contributors to slaughtermap projects after all

>>2472026
My impression is that its decent. I'm not blown away by it, but it quite honestly could have been so much worse.

Doom 4 looks like a better version of Doom 3 (which I also liked), so I'm not even salty about it

>>2472705
IIRC, Ribbiks actually believes in balancing maps around HMP, and then adding in shit to UV.

>>2472720
ribbiks proved with stardate and swtw that he can actually balance maps at less than extreme slaughtermap level.

the other guy... i have less confidence in.

>>2472719
Classic Doom 3 mod is what D3 should have been.
Dat cheesy intro.

>>2472734
The other guy made the Combat Shock series.

>>2472739
exactly my point.

>>2472406

Do you need a cleaning kit and jacket to play the game?

I see some potential but:

- AI looks incredibly lacking, enemy stand still most of the time and are not really reactive.

- The visuals are decent, but i feel like they can do more, a lot more, especially taking into consideration what some games are doing lately.

- The editor is cool and potentially powerful, bu i would like to see and advance version where you can script and model your shit and TEHN use the editor to place stuff and so on, that would be amazing, both for veterans and beginners.

- The game seems a little too closed instead of having a big map where you can roam around, but who knows, maybe the full game is more open.

- Finishers have to be an extra thing because there's no way in hell that that shit will not get tedious after the first level

All in all there's a possibility for a good game and i can't even imagine what the community will do.
The game is released when i will buy a new pc so i will buy it for sure even just to test it.

>>2472745
But Combat Shock isn't that bad. HMP is pretty doable.

>>2472753
well, that's debatable. for me, being trapped in a room 128x160 and swarmed by 6 revenants is not my idea of "hey not too rough".

>>2472753
>>2472767
oh and yes i am aware of the fact that the map is named "Agitator" so i should have expected it

>>2472767
You're supposed to run in there and encourage infighting with the mancubi.

>>2472010
>all that wub wub
Not a fan of prompt-button press for scripted finisher melee combat at all. Also it looks OP as fuck, way stronger than the actual guns that you use, which seem underwhelming. It seems way too slow as well. I'm really disappointed.

Shadow Warrior 2013, though not a perfect game by any means, was a game that did melee combat right.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76db-QSJu-k

>>2472698
Not everyone has such poor taste and judgment to visit /v/ and be aware of all their lingo.

we resi4 now

>>2472739
>Combat Shock
Interesting little mod. It's one of those ones where it kind of benefits from having Brutal Doom pasted onto it, especially 2

And like I've said previously (so that there's no misunderstanding), I don't like Brutal Doom and I sure as shit don't like SGT Mark, but there are some Doom games and wads that make having it an otherwise worthwhile and challenging experience

>>2472039
>won't have the lasting appeal of 1/2
this is the thing that keeps bugging me too

Wait...

WAIT.

"weapon modifications"

You mean like fucking...

DOOMRLA?

Fuck me, the devs must have taken everything from the best mods they could find.

The new caco looks simultaniously sick of everyone's shit and also scary-awesome.

i liked it

wouldn't have a liked a current gen Doom II remake like everyone seems to want

Doom II is eternal anyway

>>2472812
This. If I want classic Doom gameplay then Doom1/2 is still there for me <3

HOLY FUCK DID THAT GUY JUST TURN INTO A REVENANT?!

THAT IS SO FUCKING


AGITATING!

Now all we need is a new Heretic.

Imagine all those snazzy new effects but with Heretic weapons.

I can dream.

I just wanted some good background music

>>2472423
Jesus christ, culture.vg shitposters are real.

>>2472831
Yes please. I liked Hexen but I really didn't like how much keyhunting and backtracking there was in it

Uh....guys?


GUYS?????

>>2472837
Is id still working on Quake Live? Because that.

>>2472837
they're prolly just putting it there because it's still an iconic brand they own

but neat

>>2472837
Maybe they're thinking of making a Quake reboot after Doom.

>no hitscan enemies

neat, would be nice to get a chaingunner tho for some area denial

>>2472441
>this fucking post
I thought /vr/ was better than /v/.

>>2472859
doom4 is /v/, not /vr/. allow /v/ onto /vr/ - what do you expect will happen? anyway, don't respond, just report.

>>2472837

The stuff in Doom 4 feels somewhat quake-ish.

Maybe they're merging the franchises?

>>2472873

yeah, I noticed that too, the gunplay is identical to Quake 1

>>2472327

>>2472886
Why is there red bubblegum stuck to the top and bottom of the imp's mouth?

>>2472886
>Aryan Doomguy

>>2472423
Holy fucking shit. You 'buzzword' faggots never give up.

>>2472873
>>2472876
I wouldn't mind seeing the Shambler and Vore in Doom 4. And thunderbolt.

>>2472835
There's nothing wrong with culture.vg, poor fagot.

Huh, they've got triggers to control player movement speed on a whim.

That's nifty.

Looks like what starcraft 2 did.

>>2472487
>Fast action, more enemies
I could hardly tell the difference between them to be honest. The zombies don't even carry guns and celebrate the 2nd amendment.
Pinkies, Revenants and Cacos look fantastic though.
>tense atmosphere
It is a jarring switch between quiet empty areas and loud frantic packs of enemies. The atmosphere of PSX Doom or Doom 64 is not present
>punching
It's constantly a one hit kill. It's not like the classics where it was a desperate last resort unless you searched through the level for a hidden powerup. It's a gimmick that is forced by the removal of health pickups.
Thank you everyone who unironically liked the doom comic.
>Midevil fire and brimstone hell levels
It looks rather dull, there's very little sense of culture or history to the areas besides from a huge statue. I want the castles, citadels and cathedrals from Doom 64 back with portraits of demons or art illustrating the history of hell in order to tell a story without words.
>they ditched the ripped off half life elements grenades, health stations, L-train intro.
Yeah, grenades don't fit doom I agree with that.
However now there is no health pickups, so you need to use the finisher moves to restore health, it's removing the vital feature of item conservation.
Also I hope that Doom 4 will have a good story, but it mustn't interrupt the flow of gameplay. Audio logs and npc dialogues should be optional but add depth.
However HL is a fantastic model for how the story telling could be done. New mechanics could be introduced at relevant times to illustrate the story. Early levels should feature monster closets to illustrate guerrilla tactics, however as the invasion worsens, the demons will freely roam the levels. Hell is the home of demons, therefore they should have shortcuts and scurry holes for imps to attack quickly.

2 weeks ago I didn't know the first thing about scripting. Now I can do whatever I want. Being able to trigger a script on another map is great. looks like I'm going to create some kind of micro hexen hub, about 4 maps.

MAP01 (hub): "the descent" (ancient underground complex map)
MAP02: "Hell 1" (lava platform map - pic related)
MAP03: "Hell 2" (gloomy labyrinth full of pitfalls)
MAP04: "Insert Swamp map name" (swamp map)

Also worked out ambient sounds (all the MAPINFO/SNDINFO goodness) and importing/using new MIDI music. Going for warcraft II music for these maps.

>>2472932
>It's a gimmick that is forced by the removal of health pickups.
Enemies seemed to spew out pickups on death regardless of whether they were killed with melee or not. It still doesn't bode well for the level design if there's no possibility of hidden health caches or anything of the sort.

>>2472181
the zombies are beyond dumb looking. They just look like boring mutants. An Evil Dead 2 styled gun toting army of the undead would be much better.
The imps look cool, but too much like the hell knights. Glowing eyes would help them stand out from zombies. They also look too twisted and ugly, rather than strong foot soldiers of the devil.
Hell Knights look shorter than I remember. I still like the classic stereotypical design more.
Cacos look magnificent, but they lack the devious grin and big, glowing eye. Fantastic open mouth design though, really intimidating.
Revenants look great, but they are fucking everywhere.
Pinkies are glimsed, but look like the best design. They look like the originals, but updated. They contrast well with the dull environments with their bright pink hides.
Cyberdemon looks super out of place, he looks like he got lost from an Asian MMO

>>2472158

>what kinda netcode do u want
>just fuck my shit up

10/10

>>2472026
They did everything I feared that they would do wrong.
>Constant le epic rip and tear XD
>no health pickups, health is restored by above point
>ammo pickups are random
>alt fire and attachments, fucking rapid fire shotgun
>terrible weapon visual design. shotgun looks like a tampon and SSG has a sawn off stock
>assaut rifles and machineguns, we already have a stunlock weapon, the chaingun.
>breaking of original mechanics, chaingun ROF now increases with time there is no bare fist
>generic environment design. grey brown industrial complex and brimstone hell. What ever happened to colonisation and grand demonic cities?
>nostagia baiting, theme music is fucking E1M1
>chainsaw is prebaked animation
>puzzles are instantly solved for you
>no hint of an actual story. I want it to feel like the world is ending, not that I'm part of a clean up crew.
>movement lacks weight, double jump looks floaty
>doomguy doesn't seem to be struggling, he's just an unstoppable badass. He tears off limbs like tree branches

It could have been worse, but they fucked up everything I feared that they'd fuck up.

I really hope PC gets a full SDK so we can change this and share it with console players.

>>2472992
>doomguy doesn't seem to be struggling, he's just an unstoppable badass

It was a demo build being played on a difficulty where you literally can't die.

>posting THAT ever

the mods' vengeance couldn't come soon enough

>>2472873
The chaingun seems to have the same rate of fire mechanics as Quake 2's chaingun.
It really doesn't fit doom well, I'd rather have a constant fire rate without windup

>>2473002

shut the fuck up already, didn't you have enough being exposed TWICE in our threads?

>>2472898
Deathshead did nothing wrong.

Why are Hell Knights melee only now? They just run up and try to hit you now, there's no neon green fireballs.
We already have the Pinkies as the fast moving melee monsters, and Imps are now far faster
Therefore Hell Knights being slow moving medium damage and moderate high health or moving doors like some call them feels perfectly fine.

>>2472148
My thoughts exactly, how can they fail to realize what made the originals so great, what the fuck is wrong with western devs.

>>2473031
Because devs these days have too much money and not enough soul, plus they have to appeal to he common masses instead of making whatever they want.

>>2472767
>wall closes behind me
>better back myself into it anyway because revenants

I really find it hard to believe you play many slaughtermaps.

>>2472010
>1:56
You know what that looks like? A poorly disguised loading screen.

you guys remember that light based gun that somebody posted a little while back? it changed damage according to how bright or dark it was in a sector. anybody got a download for it?

doom 4 will be forgotten in a month
it makes me sad

>>2472995
I meant doomguy the character, not the player.
He can climb ledges, tear off limbs and pull open doors without any effort. He doesn't make a sound, he doesn't show any struggle or emotion, even when ripping an arm from a corpse.
He seems more like a cyborg than a heroic human who's stuck in the worst possible event.

>>2473073
>He seems more like a cyborg than a heroic human who's stuck in the worst possible event.
To be fair, the original game's lore and gameplay doesn't really discount that being the case there, either. Ordinary people don't punch harder than bullets.

I'm trying to find a good weapon mod to use with Colourful Hell, but I'm having a hard time finding one that doesn't interact with the monsters at all or isn't overpowered, do you guys know of any good ones?

>>2472671
I doubt that'll happen. If it does, it would be nice, but the game would still be slow and linear.

>watch DOOM gameplay demo
>it really looks like a console FPS
>very cinematic finishers every 5 seconds
>the chainsaw triggers a finisher animation and seems to oneshot everything
>bland colors
>weapons look as shitty as in Doom 3
>linear as fuck level design
>a buttload of cheap gore to make up for all the flaws mentioned above
I really want to get hyped but this doesn't look good at all.

>>2472934
>that code
Jesus christ anon, PLEASE learn how to use for loops.
http://zdoom.org/wiki/FOR_and_WHILE_loops

I've been playing Doom and Wolf3D since they came out (severe oldfag reporting in) and I must say that DooM 4 left me with mixed feelings.

I'd really prefer it if they just went for the iconic old designs of the demons, kept the gameplay from DooM 2 and just improved the graphics and sounds. It wasn't broken so it didn't need to be fixed.

I really fucking hate the LoL-Mancubus. Really fucking awful design. The DooM 3-Mancubus at least looked better even if it also was very far off its original design (face tentacles wtf).

However I liked the flying skeletons and I am still going to buy it like I did with DooM 3 but I just know that I am going to be a little disappointed.

>>2472808
i really wish they used the BDSE chainsaw
these swipes, man, so perfect

>>2473096
I agree it doesn't look good so far. I really loved Doom 3, but it tried to be something completely different and succeeded. Doom 4 looks like it's trying to be like the older games but it's failing at it. The melee kills look awful, and the enemies and the level seem generic and bland.

>>2473076
But that's part of the gameplay, the berserk powerup makes him super strong. His only really abnormal ability is his running speed.
The power armour seems to remove the more human aspect to the games.

I want to feel frightened when I'm trapped into a corner, chainsawing everything as fast as possible as my health visibly ticks down as doomguy shouts in pain as his face becomes more bloody and dishevelled.
I want to feel terrified of another enemy encounter when I'm at <20% health and I want to see that doomguy has a tired and frightened face that mirrors my own.

Stuff like this is why Doom feels so tense despite being very fast paced. It gives itself variety and the player the opportunity to become totally overwhelmed by a bad choice.

However now you can curb stomp your way out of a tight spot and be politely reminded that your health is below 50% with an electronic bleep.

>>2473102
I like the look of the chainsawing, it gives it a great feeling a weight.
Shame that it's just an insta-kill animation.

>>2473103

It looks easily fixable with modding.
Honestly i think there's a big probabilty that the mod community will make it really good.

>>2473103
>the melee looks awful
Ok now come on, Ill admit the gameplay aint your grandpappys doom but even with the canned animations this game is still amazing looking.
>>2473121
>being in berzerk the whole time
Yeah that kind of looks like it would get boring super fast.

>>2473137
The melee would be better if the enemies put up more of a resistance instead of seeming like balloons waiting to be popped. I did like the chainsaw kills though.

>>2472006
v20 already has quick executions.

>>2472886
>panel 7
hahaha i love "taking the metaphor literally" jokes

>>2473026
i wish i'd never heard the thing you spoilered. i have been unable to stop noticing it in maps for some time now.

I want to see more castle-like hell levels like in Doom 64, the caves with skulls lying around look is kinda boring.

>>2473137
The problem with the melee in Doom 4 is
>Not even remotely enough kill animations from what was demonstrated
>No actual punch/kick option
>Enemies glow to show you that you can do your finisher even though they end up in an obvious critical state
>With the focus put on it you will be seeing them A LOT
>Melee combat does not actually exist
There might be an option to toggle the glow.
And with the focus on finishers there really needs to be a lot of them or else it will become extremely tedious.

There is nothing but flashy finishers for melee.
The melee can not look amazing if it's just a cutscene kill.

This isn't even putting any previous Doom's melee combat on a pedestal, but now it's nonexistant.
There is no weaving through projectiles to do melee hits, there is no chainsawing an enemy and dealing damage to it as a weapon.

Only instant kills.

>>2472898
I know, it's heil-arious

I was looking through the gameplay trailer again... and what is this guy that appears for a split section in the Hell area?
These are the best shots of him.
Definitely not a Pinky, since one runs by the player at the beginning of that scene, too big for a Hell Knight, and too small for a Cyberdemon.
I think he might actually be a Baron.
He looks A LOT more like the goatmen variety
of demon too, which gets me hyped.

>>2473154
It's definitely a pinky. Watch carefully; the player hits a stealth enemy that's a dull pink. It has to be a spectre.

>>2473160
Look at him compared to Hell Knights though, he's much taller. When the player killed a Spectre in the gameplay demo, it was definitely more Pinky sized.

>>2473149
Hell should feel like a place where the demons really do live and have developed a culture. It should show that they are savage, yet intelligent. Doom 64 had some of the best hell levels because of this.
I wouldn't mind a paradise lost inspired back story. However the fallen angels have all sacrificed their flesh in order to create the demon army. The ultimate goal is to conquer the moral world as vengeance for their downfall. but then again I am a faggot who wants a deep story with HL styled story telling

>>2473160
It isn't as bright as the pinky though. The pinkies appear to be nearly like the originals

>>2473039
i didn't notice the wall had closed before it was too late. but that's not the point. i'm having to savegame my way through a level on hey not too rough. that's proof it's far too hard.

John Stalvern waited. The lights above him blinked and sparked out of the air. There were demons in the base. He didn't see them, but had expected them now for years. His warnings to Cernel Joson were not listenend to and now it was too late. Far too late for now, anyway.
John was a space marine for fourteen years. When he was young he watched the spaceships and he said to dad "I want to be on the ships daddy."
Dad said "No! You will BE KILL BY DEMONS"
There was a time when he believed him. Then as he got oldered he stopped. But now in the space station base of the UAC he knew there were demons.
"This is Joson" the radio crackered. "You must fight the demons!"
So John gotted his palsma rifle and blew up the wall.
"HE GOING TO KILL US" said the demons "I will shoot at him" said the cyberdemon and he fired the rocket missiles. John plasmaed at him and tried to blew him up. But then the ceiling fell and they were trapped and not able to kill.
"No! I must kill the demons" he shouted The radio said "No, John. You are the demons"
And then John was a zombie.

>DooM 4 storyline

>>2473165
I think D4's hell has a feew things going for it, but it just doesn't feel threatening. It's brighter and more bland than the techbase environments we saw.
>but then again I am a faggot who wants a deep story with HL styled story telling
Personally, I'd much rather see that for Quake.

>>2473121
>His only really abnormal ability is his running speed.
and even that was arguably never intended too -- i mean, autorun was a config file hack, and straferunning is a programming oversight. doomguy isn't very fast when you don't use either of these things.

>>2473026
I hope that barons aren't cyber augmented hell knights that can throw plasma. That'd be lame.

>>2472639
>i tried to get doom4 declared offtopic for /vr/ months ago but nobody listened.

Woe is you, you selfless martyr.

>>2473182
cassandra, not selfless martyr

>>2473171
> "The Union Aerospace Corporation's massive research facility on Mars is overwhelmed by fierce and powerful demons, and only one person stands between their world and ours," reads the blurb
>As the lone DOOM Marine
>you've been activated to do one thing
>activated

Sorry to spoil it for you, but doomguy is actually a cyborg in this. That's why it's berserk mode power armour kung-fu 24/7
The big plot twist at the end is that you were once human, but now the big bad corporation is using you as their puppet robot to cover up the disasters. Your memory gets erased every time you finish the job, so you forget. This is an in canon explanation for custom levels.

>>2472639
>you made your bed, now you get to lie in it.
boo hoo.

>>2473187

Woe is you, you selfless martyr.

>>2473193
so you actually want threads filled with hundreds of shitposts.

>>2473191
"Activate" is a military term. It means you're called in while off-duty.

>>2473203

People will shitpost about anything.
Not just saying anything for the sake of exaggeration, people will shitpost about literally anything. If there is a subject, people will think of something to shitpost about with it. People will even make up things that didn't happen out of thin air just to shitpost about it, like that Terminus copypasta.

Limiting our avenue of discussion will not quell shitposts. People say we're being RAIDED BY /v/ OH NO but the thread is half over and the unique poster count isn't even that high. We have mostly the regulars here, maybe a handful of new people.
We just have a big influx of posting because of a Big Thing Happening. It was the same thing with the release of Brutal Doom v20. It was the same thing with the release of Zandronum 2.0. It was the same thing with Romero releasing all those resources.
If there are people active and posting, someone will try and stir the pot just for larks.

Trying to ban an avenue of discussion isn't a way to go about it, and crying that "i tried to warn you, why didn't you listen!!!" isn't so much trying to be a Cassandra though that's legit a nice reference, kudos but instead trying to warn people that it's going to rain tomorrow.

The thing about cinamatic finishing moves is that they are only fun if the player can decide when they happen. The finishers on low health enemies is a nice addition, provided you can also just shoot stunned demons in the face and move on.
The chainsaw on the other hand hopefully has another mode of fire that's more akin to the DOOM3 chainsaw. Forcing players into a cinamatic cutscene for every chainsaw kill is a major no-no. My hope is that what we saw is a secondary fire of the chainsaw that lets you dispatch low level enemies instantly, and that the primary fire is the classic chainsaw. The ammo count for the chainsaw hopefully supports this idea.

>>2472639
>i tried to get doom4 declared offtopic for /vr/ months ago but nobody listened
>nobody listened to one lone sperg backseat moderating about something that's literally inevitable
ronpaul.jpg

>>2473215
thank you for the kind reply, at least.

>>2472010
Just a hyped fan here, I think I can like this more than Doom 3.
What I liked:
>Chainsaw
I won't lie, even chainsaw rip animations are a bit distasteful, I'm the guy who played Doom2 for like 20 straight years and I wouldn't complain on that.

Two things killed it for me:
>No hitscan enemies:
What's that laser bullshit? Making readable enemies are not like that. Smaller enemies power lies in their number. If that pew pew bullshit makes into the game I can imagine we'll have shitty combat action:
>Too much cutscenes
That playback hologram thing was bland and boring, seeing a Hellknight from long range (across a busted bridge?) but trying to evade it would be more appropriate. Although it's a nice touch to the "Captain's Hand".

Just I'm crossing my finger for 3 things:
>Mayhem:
I wanna run away from a crowd of flying agitated skeletons when I grabbed the red key. Or when I fail to evade a main teleportation site, accidentally taking their attention; everything should go down with like 20 imps on my tail.
>Turmoil:
Regarding the upper, I hope engine is more capable of holding more than 3 monsters at the screen at the same time.
>More Weapons:
I wonder if we'll see Unmaker and Darkclaw this time or they'll feed us something like "HELLCUBE! IT COMES FROM HELL" or "GRABBER! LIKE GRAVITY GUN BUT COOLER!"

Holy hell... I should think about opening a blog...

>>2472493
/v/ is going apeshit because it's "notmuh pixelated doom"

Where does Doom 64 lay in your guys' favorite doom games?

I'm starting to feel it might honestly be my favorite doom game

>>2473336
Both of the chans' /v/'s are.
I personally am a bit mixed. It's not gonna be exactly like the old-school DOOM, but more like a blend between DOOM 2 and DOOM 3.
Not to say DOOM 3 is bad, it just doesn't quite feel like a DOOM game.

>>2473374
okay to end this once in for all:

NO its not exactly your beloved doom 1-2
BUT it's closer to the same feeling than Doom 3 was. They're not just going to make the same game for you guys over and over and over. In terms of modern videogames this one looks fun. Get over your nostalgia

>>2473370
My order would be
Doom 1 > Doom 2 > Doom 64 > Plutonia > TNT >>>> Doom 3

I'd put Doom 64 up higher but because it was missing some really good Doom 2 enemies(No Archviles or Revenants or Chaingunners) I can't put it higher.

I understand the limitations they worked with too, but it just sucks because the enemies that were missing do a lot to the games.

>>2473381
Very true I definitely missed those enemies.
I also never understood why plutonia was so disliked.

>>2473370
>>2473370

I loved it. The spooky dark ambient levels and music were amazing. It's not my favourite Doom, it's just different. It's the moody version of Doom 2 in my head.

>>2473381

I wonder if they buffed the Pain elemental just to make up for it.

>>2473387
I don't really dislike Plutonia but I think it really overused the Archviles, Revenants and Chaingunners a bit too much.

Although I listed those Dooms in that order I do consider them to be pretty close together in what I enjoy.

Doom 3 not so much, I liked some of the enemy designs and the graphics were amazing.
But the weapons didn't feel so good, and the pacing was not really to my liking.
I guess it didn't help that it was trying to be scary but the gameplay kind of got in the way of how effective it could be.
Except for Trites, but I have arachnophobia

how is this game better than duke nukem?

>>2473398

it's still alive :^)

>>2472418
I think the problem is we got something medicore that stuck halfway in between classic Doom and Doom 3.

I can't be the only one that's actually 100% happy with what they've shown, right?
You realize the "slow" gameplay is just the player showing off graphics for the normies, right?
Also, the levels look relatively non-linear.
Look at when the player jumps off the first cliff in hell, before landing.
I see an entire cliffside with extra shit that he could have explored if he wanted too, but he skipped it.
That door at the beginning of hell could have also been an alternative route that he skipped.

>>2473370
If it had a more varied soundtrack and the full cast of enemies and encounters it'd be the best by far IMO. Aubrey Hodges can clearly do some banging metal and orchestral tracks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10qDtjMjghs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo5ryutB69M
Doom 64's Hell is by far my favourite; Castles with moats of blood, citadels in the void between our world and Hell and demonic cathedrals.
Also I always through Doom 64's movement felt really sluggish for some reason.

>>2473380
>>2473405
get out of here shills

>>2473405
im with you anon. Don't let these neckbeards deter you. They hate things just because they want to hate things, they pretty much said weeks before that they were going to hate this game, so it was drilled in their mind and they tried their hardest to hate it

>>2472940
Yeah, I was worried about map exploration when I saw that. There's something really satisfying about finding an armory and just loading up on weapons and ammo and I don't think we'll have that anymore.

>>2473428
It looked like there were ammo and armor pickups at the very least. Still, there's few things as relieving as opening an inconspicuous door at 2% health and finding a couple of medikits inside and it doesn't look like we'll get that.

>>2473428
yep, it's about, seeing things in dark rooms that you can't reach and going "what the heck is that and how do i get at it?"

>>2473449
or, it's about, falling off a ledge into a slime lake, running around frantically looking for a way out or at least a radiation suit, and finding weird little item-filled corner alcoves you never suspected existed

>>2473059

I haven't released it yet, there isn't a download.
I've been prodding at it every now and then, trying to find a satisfactory way to manage ammo and light level.

>>2473387
Plutonia isn't really disliked, it's just almost a meme wad at this point because of the amount of skellingtons and archvile ambushes.

I mean, I think even the first enemy in the first map you fight is a revenant on UV.

I think I found a clip of someone playing as a Pinky in the SnapMap Demo.
Either a Pinky, or whatever this>>2473154 is.

>>2473474
It's six shotgunners behind you.
Or a chaingunner in front.

>>2473481
indeed, if you stand still you'll quickly find yourself being perforated by long range chaingun fire.

>>2473449
nice quote

>>2473487
it's a quote? wasn't intentional.

>>2473495
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUU7_BthBWM
17:35

>>2471995
Complete Beth E3 reveal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSachrC6MuE

Also Snapmap looks pretty bare bones to me. The "new logic" they seem to promote looks like just "drag activator thread here, define the action" and mapping takes place on a grid where you place predefined rooms.

So much for creativity, unless they will allow us to make new kinds of rooms ourselves. So me thinks that we'd have a procedural-generation-level map design in terms of quality.

>>2473568
https://twitter.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/610469228613881856

>>2473568
I was hoping for something like the Portal 2 community map editor.

Maybe a touch more advance.

>>2473480

that's revenant mode from mp

>>2473572

AH SHIT SON

https://twitter.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/610502317847281664

>>2473580
The Revenant's first person view was different.
In the post-show they mentioned the powerup could turn you into a multitude of available demons. I'm pretty sure those are two horns at the top of the screen, not rocket launchers.

>>2473583
BTFO

>>2473583
DAMN SON

I just wanted to thank you, /vr/.
This is a civil thread.
/v/ this morning was full of hysterism.

>>2473583
Anyone have an edit of this replaced with Carmack and Romero or Doomguy?

>>2473583
Carmack is ice cold.

>>2473615
Shitposting peaks at any new release, and E3 is worst of all because so much hits at once. I can more or less predict what /v/ is like right now just by looking at the E3 schedule.
I guarantee you tomorrow, soon as Star Fox is announced, the entire board will be flooded with Krystal shitposting.

>>2473583
BASED CARMACK

>>2473583
i don't get it

Just got Shadow Warrior Classic Redux, i already have a couple of programs for multiplayer, is there a place to find servers or at least anybody to help me test one?

>>2473627
Someone should redraw this with the old id staff, with Carmack in the middle.

>>2473428
>>2472940
>>2473449
>>2473452
The weapon attachment things don't seem to drop from enemies, at least. Those could be the pickups.
I don't see anything wrong with enemies dropping health as long as higher difficulties make them drop less. Going from 5 to halfway full because you killed a pinky shouldn't be a thing.

I don't see why people are so upset about the speed you move at or the health drops. The mod tools, however basic they may be, seem fully capable of changing player speed, health drops, and the ability to add health/ammo packs to levels. I am sure within a week of launch there will be mods to change all of these things.

>>2473583
>this shouldn't be considered normal
I don't get it, who's suggesting it was meant to be normal?

Does she just not comprehend fiction and escapism?

It seems like such an absurd and out of nowhere argument.