/vr/ - Retro Games

===NEWS===

[06-10] Zero Master completes a full 30 level Plutonia run on Nightmare!
http://www.doomworld.com/vb/doomworld-news/73116-

[06-10] Another Romero interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9v_0HD7iOz4

[06-07] Doom4 stream at E3 after all?
>>2456008

[06-07] The /newstuff Chronicles #476
http://www.doomworld.com/php/topstory.php?id=4433

[06-05] Brutal Doom v20 released
http://www.moddb.com/mods/brutal-doom/news/brutal-doom-version-20-released

[06-04] Doom inducted into Video Game Hall of Fame
http://www.worldvideogamehalloffame.org/
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-33005297

[06-03] GMOTA v0.9.9
http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=45115

[06-02] Powerslave EX has been pulled (legal reasons apparently)
>>2445279
https://powerslaveex.wordpress.com/2015/05/28/new-release-coming-soon/comment-page-1/#comment-280

[05-31] OMG Weapons and Monsters! V4 release
http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?p=838200#p838200

[05-30] D-Touch promo (Android port supporting GZDoom 1.8.6)
https://yadi.sk/d/D1I-unx_gxLnJ

[05-29] Hotline UAC (Hotline Miami mod)
http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=48703

[05-29] Android port of Xash3D
>>2435656 >>2435685
https://github.com/SDLash3D/xash3d-android-project/releases/

[05-29] GBA Doom Deathmatch Remake v2, map01/02 complete
http://www.best-ever.org/download?file=gbadmplusv2.wad

[05-28] Bloodshedder and The Green Herring chosen as new /idgames maintainers
http://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1375733

[05-26] /idgames update: maintainer Ty Halderman "alive, but hospitalized"
http://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1374872

[05-24] Powerslave EX Beta now available
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/263088376/PowerslaveEX.zip
https://mega.co.nz/#!A8B0XQLR!i4MwWxIGlBxHD0uTiwZcWSJxDO_sdoTWkI7GIMz4Bsk
http://www.mediafire.com/download/8y9bwt54c85o5sa/Powerslave.rar
http://www63.zippyshare.com/v/ajiyFTab/file.html
https://mega.co.nz/#!ao1yDKqR!TdAweY7kEzLx2oeaT32VdcPKagkcQFMe6b4xAD7FSHM

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Please reply to this post with news.

Underrated maps?

TNT Map07 Prison.

>that pic

my sides

Why isn't there female doom marines in doom?


Is it monstergirls only?

>>2463637
Because (SPOILER) women are less suited to serve as marines

>>2463637
Crash only wanted to compete in the Quake tournament.

>>2463637
There's Crash

>>2463645
>>2463643
Who game's backstory literally describe as a beating doll for newbies

>>2463654

Well, she's the one who taught everything Doom(guy) knows so there's that :^)

>mfw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqnS-ipnQFE

>>2463637
the UAC hired the marines to risk their lives in the event of the invasion. Females are far less disposable than men are.

>>2463637
There are different skins available that can be downloaded nowdays. The way Doom turned out though having only one playable character, the doomguy, though Tom Hall's design doc was going to feature more playable characters including a couple female ones.

Monstergirls are the 'in' thing so I guess that's why there's a truckload of them showing up.

>>2463689
mfw

Does anybody have a link to the interview with Romero where he calls the Ouya shit and says it's going to fail because nobody's going to develop for it or buy it?

>>2463637
because go back to the fucking kitchen, stupid bitch.

>>2463689
HUP HUP HUP HUP HUP HUP HUP HUP HUP

>>2463742
Now that's a wrong thing to say.
kick-ass bitches in non-skimpy armor are my fetish

>>2463742

>>2463637

Does anyone have that image guide for doom recommending wads?

>>2463795
Half the stuff it recommends are shit. Just go look at the cacowards/top 100.

>>2463779
how do you feel about kick ass bitches in non skimpy armour puking up cats

>>2463807
Yeah that's completely fine.
This is fine. There is nothing wrong here.

>>2463795
https://archive.moe/vr/search/filename/SoYouWantToPlaySomeFuckingDoom.png/

WOLFENDOOM: Blade of Agony

http://www.moddb.com/mods/blade-of-agony

>You are B. J. Blazkowicz, the greatest spy and biggest risk-taker the Allied forces have ever known! Take on the might and fury of the Third Reich as you blast your way to victory! Do battle with the diabolical Adolf Hitler, who is twisting science and the occult in his pathological mission to conquer the world! The fate of all free peoples hangs in the balance - failure is NOT an option. Your standard issue cyanide capsule should be used at your own discretion! Good luck, you'll need it!

>>2463814
This is like the fourth time this has been posted.

>>2463807
wat

>>2463807
The fuck is this.
i want the whole thing

>>2463807
Context please

>>2463807
That's an anime bitch though. Those do not count.

Does this shit get any better? I'm like 1/3rd of the way through and it's just not gripping me like Marathon 1 did.

The lack of music, in particular, is actually really bothering me. Marathon 1's soundtrack was fucking great.

>>2463867
google Chaika

>>2463795
It's more fun if you just ask in the thread, specifying what kind of experience you want.

>>2463689
noice

>>2463907
Well what I'm looking for primarily would be a megwad or a short campaign with a focus on intricate, detailed level design, difficult but interesting gameplay, and aesthetically pleasing areas.

Do you have anything in mind based on my description?

>>2463898
>not what I expected

>>2463930
The Darkening E2.

>>2463932
>>2463898
>>2463807
In all seriousness, the show is actually called Chaika the Coffin Princess. It turns out Chaika is a among a few other things. I think it means Seagull in Russian, but don't quote me on that.

>>2463930
You should start out with UAC Ultra (shorter campaign, simple but dynamic and well-designed levels, good visuals) and then play Back to Saturn X (megawad, gorgeous levels with all custom textures+palette, extremely well thought-oud architecturally but not quite as good gameplay).

Then there's Cheogsh and Unloved if you want an amazing atmosphere but can stomach average tier gameplay. If you ever want to try out a gameplay mod I suggest Project MSX for it's difference from the vanilla game, high production values, and actually decent balance.

>>2463951
Thank you, It looks interesting
Do you think I should play Episode 1 before Episode 2? or should I just jump into Episode 2?

>>2463957
UAC Ultra looks like what I was looking for and Saturn X looks pretty nice
I forgot to mention that I prefer indoor maps to open world maps

I'll check the others out as well
I've played around with Project MSX and I remember enjoying it

Thanks for the recommendations, I'll be sure to play them very soon

>>2463953
Yes. Chaika means "Seagull", but it's also a mark of GAZ factory cars. Trabant (her family name) is also name of a car. Lots of names in that anime are car names and references.

>>2463889
Yeah, I thought the same until I went back to Marathon 1 and noticed how lifeless it felt in comparison without any sound around me.

M2 picks up, I'm currently on my way through Infinity myself. Only on level 14 and it's getting tough.

Le epic greentext
>STAINLESS STEELE HEARTS
can't think of a name more epic
>Chapter E1M1:Rktpwr Agitation

>Just a little while ago the neverending battle of Hell and Heaven seemed a purely hypothetical subject, reserved for theological discussions, but everything changed when the forces of Hell attacked.Very little was known about them, and even less about how to fight them, beside simplest "shoot them until they die".Except for a demon "death" is just a brief interruption between the sessions of slaughter.

>They always came back,in numbers greater than before.But Earth was not going to fall without a fight. Not before half of the world's military bases literally went to hell, UAC's scientific division managed to discover a way to prevent demonic forces from opening more rifts in the fabric of space.The areas around remaining gateways to hell became places of endless struggle, an eternal battlefields where the fate of the world stood depending on the shaky balance between powers of the best Earth had to offer and abominations from the depths of hell.

>UAC became the monopolist.The only organisation capable of providing protection against demonic invasion, and nobody knew what it was that produced such effect.An advanced technology?An artifact?The only thing people outside of UAC knew is that the only safe places on Earth were in 15km radius around the "UAC HellDampener" installations, and that no demonic gate could be opened inside the perimeter.

>In the year 2XXX, UAC got intel that that the new Icon of Sin has taken reign over the demonic hordes, and the fickle balance is about to get toppled. Several teams of highly-trained marines were assembled to infiltrate one of the remaining Hellgates to either find and destroy it, or collect data about that enemy, if all else fails. After several days in Hell, only two marines survived.

>Run metroid dreadnought
>get an energy tank, nice!
>Find a 2nd one, try to pick it up
>pass through like thin air

What is with this glitch? Can anyone explain?

Also, I tried to get the 1.1 version from the github, but it's not working out, is it missing a few files?

Has any mod used monsters that shoot while moving?

>>2464048
It's a pretty tricky thing to do in Doom. Best I can think of might be Demonsteele, whose monsters have a tendency to fling themselves around and then fire shots before their momentum stops.

Why does this happen?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCF5f0hSfKg

>>2464139
Because you couldn't find a better bait?

>>2464137
couldn't it be done with a dummy actor doing firing, and the monsters having 8x it's normal (not counting mirroring) rotations where each set its offset 1-7 angles?

>>2464154
Whad do rotations have to do with monster firing? Also ZDoom can only do 16 rotations unless I'm missing something.

Maybe you want to make a special animation where the monster is moving while firing? Technicaly can be done, but you'd have to make a new moveset for every possible direction of enemy moving while it fires.

http://hdoomguy.tumblr.com/post/120996419757/yagamidra-wings-fanart-of-lost-soul-my

http://hdoomguy.tumblr.com/post/121241645337/jiffic-did-some-quick-sketches-working-with

>>2464176
>Whad do rotations have to do with monster firing?
So a monster could be temporarly issued the FRIGHTENED flag, backpedalling away from you while appearing to face you for example.
> Also ZDoom can only do 16 rotations unless I'm missing something.
Only for a given namespace, you'd have to essentially make a new set of sprites as for a different monster, where every rotation is shuffled a step.
>
Maybe you want to make a special animation where the monster is moving while firing? Technicaly can be done, but you'd have to make a new moveset for every possible direction of enemy moving while it fires.
Oh, I'm aware of that.

>>2463968
>Do you think I should play Episode 1 before Episode 2? or should I just jump into Episode 2?

You can play both, if you want.

>>2464151
what

Perhaps fighting the BDv20 Spider Mastermind with Retail Ultimate Doom and Reshade on wasn't the best of ideas.

Meanwhile I decided to make a small custom difficulty set for personal use because I liked BD's concept of realism mode, but then I removed the speed changes, and also altered Nightmare since I'll never play proper Nightmare personally.

>>2464334
It does admittedly look nice at other times, though.

>>2463957
I just completed UAC Ultra, it was a lot of fun. pretty much exactly what I was looking for

Though unfortunately in some later levels they decided to throw a lot of enemies at you in a big space which I find quite boring and easy

I got about and over 60% secrets except for two or three where I only got roughly 30%

I played on Ultra Violence and on the earlier levels I found it a little too easy but mid way through it got hard enough to be satisfied with

Good recommendation, thanks a lot
Later tonight I'll get started on Back to Saturn X Episode 1

>>2464014
>glitch
nah, bruh

turn off the limiter

>>2464334
>>2464347
how the fuck can you play like that

>BTSX E2 ending
2spooky

>>2464414
The first one's pretty horrible, the second one isn't so bad really. I'm just dicking around with Reshade, but the first one was the result of a map retail mod that added a shitton of fog into some maps.

>>2464464
do you use full framework reshade or just sweetfx?

>>2463634
all right i am willing to entertain the idea of upgrading its status from "unplayable" to merely "very annoying". but the part with the cages can still go take a long walk off a short plank.

>>2464561
Framework. The SweetFX options are pretty crap, the options i'm using mainly come from the GemFX options included with framework.

>>2464563
i try playing with framework, but i can't mouselook while. any help?

>>2464347
Jeez turn it down a notch!

>>2464412

The limiter?

Where would that be?

>>2464667
metroid_nolevellimiter 1

i have no clue why you turned it off if you're playing offline

>someone tells you they played through a levelset with a gameplay mod the first time

What is your reaction?

>>2464685
Nothing, I do it all the time.

>>2464665
>gun has a sight
>crosshair drawn on visor

The future is a mysterious place.

>>2464685

Disappointed, but eh, whatever. People can play what they want, how they want.

I had soooooo much fun with this.
This had some goddamn atmosphere, alright.

>>2464685
i frown a bit and think "well i hope you know what you're doing and can recognise when the mod is letting you do something that the map's design didn't account for"

Reposting for shits (also because it'd be cool if anyone got some use out of this):
Made some sprites from a 3D model a long time ago, never colored/finished them. Idea was a new boss monster, but since it's clear I'm not going to use them now: here are the base uncolored sprites for anyone who does want them. (shading and animations are there, just no color/polish). Pic related, idle/floating test I did.

link: http://www.mediafire.com/download/e0thh723b862tzk/GimpDemon.zip

>>2464738

Well, if you don't mind, then I'll probably snatch these sprites up and give them a whirl in a project I'm currently playing with.
I'll hit you up on the IRC with details later.

>>2464745
I absolutely don't mind. That's what they're for :-p. But yeh. Lemme know... I'm interested to see. Lemme know if you need any other obscure poses or something if it's important too.. they're easy enough to pop out so long as it's not /too/ many frames...

>>2464738
i remember this. the board hardly had the shine worn off it.

>>2464728
I would hate that event in eternall.wad

>Heretic Hexen collection only 40% off
I fucking knew this was going to happen

>>2464796
>paying for dos games

>>2464845
hell ya nigga. i also wanna buy spear of destiny. why that shit only 33% off? the other wolfensteins are 50% off

>>2464687
The sight is actually providing up-to-the-minute data to the HUD, compensated, for more accurate hip-firing.

>>2464687
Projecting a crosshair in front of a soldiers eye would be amazing, but it's still good to have backup sights for anyone who doesn't wear a helmet like that who might pick use the gun.

>>2464685
BTSX + P:MSX master race

>>2464796
>>2464851
>Cost doesn't go to original creators
>Steam refuses to fix the games, or at least ship them with a sourceport
I'll stick to pirating them please.

>Decide to check out the Zandronum forums
>Literally a fucking top thread where people are just shit-talking the software renderer, for being a "Cave-Age" thing

>>2464929
nigga copypasting files aint hard i do that shit with Doom. hella lazy tho even noah arc comes with a sourceport

Why does nobody seems to talk about the PSX maps? I think that they're superb and really atmospheric.

>>2464569
bumping question

>>2464928
I did BTSX2 with OW.

It got pretty chaotic because some of the weapons fuck up mad shit, and some of the monsters can randomly make parts super easy or about 9000 times harder depending on what spawns and in what kind of terrain.

>>2464961

His other point still stands, though.

What's the point of buying the games when no one who actually worked on them is seeing a single cent of your money?

>>2464972
What's OW now again?

>>2464978
>His
Dont refer to yourself as a "His"
And your money never went to the developer ever. It went to the publisher who already paid the developer.

>>2464989
How can one man express so many pretentious assertions in one post?

>>2464989

Shut up, nerd.

>>2464981
>What's OW now again?
Omg Weapons

>mfw multiple kamikaze demons from multiple directions in a tight maze

>>2464989

Dude. Romero doesn't seem to give a fuck.

John "I'm losing control of my faculties" Carmack doesn't even care for what he did yesterday.

>>2465013
>John "I'm losing control of my faculties" Carmack
Mmmm

>>2464796
Finished Hexen recently, now playing the Deathkings of the Dark Citadel expansion. 20 new levels! 3 new hubs!

So umm i shotted an invulnsphere and this archangel spawned and revived an army of friendly demons

Poor caged soldiers, they could be helpful

More friends

Friendly barrels.

I love it when I can just gib an entire room. Good gore mods really help make almost any weapon pack feel like it packs a punch.

>>2465076

That lighting is beautiful.

>>2464685
I personally don't understand people who spend far more time playing gameplay mods than the default gameplay.

It convinces me that the person isnt actually a fan of doom, and is merely a fan of gameplay mods.

Looks like Sunlust beta will be very soon.

>>2465353
>It convinces me that the person isnt actually a fan of doom, and is merely a fan of gameplay mods.
Why can't they be a fan of both?
Also Doom's core mechanics are not really found in too many games so maybe they like the blend of old mechanics and new ones with their gameplay mods.

For example, I don't really see the appeal in something like Real Guns Advanced 2, but maybe they like the slower paced movement and guns alongside movement still being a focus for avoiding damage.

>>2465382
>Why can't they be a fan of both?

They can be, if they spend a good deal of time with both. My point was towards people who spend 80-90% of their playtime with gameplay mods, which are the usual suspects for playing a mapset blind with a gameplay mod.

>>2465389
Maybe they fell into a no gameplay mod slump and just want something new and kept with that while waiting for vanilla Doom to get back it's old charm.

I went through that for like a year. Now I just alternate between gameplay mods and vanilla based on what I feel like.

>>2465353
>It convinces me that the person isnt actually a fan of doom, and is merely a fan of gameplay mods.

Considering how powerful the Doom engine is now with its capabilities in modding, I wouldn't be surprised if there were a lot of people who saw it as a development engine to flex their arms and make things in.

I wouldn't really blame them, either. We've got people making complete and total overhauls that bring in entirely new levels, entirely non-Doom gameplay, and in some cases entirely new games completely.

>>2465382
>but maybe they like the slower paced movement and guns alongside movement still being a focus for avoiding damage.
Actually, RGA is as fast as Doom, its just that if you goof up, the monsters are going to wreck you. And the guns stop being slow once you add some rapid fire upgrade (Model 1887 is a crazy good weapon once you fine-tune it) I give you the point of reloading slows down gunplay but i don't agree with it.

>>2465382
I gotta be honest, the ONLY way i will ever play vanilla doom is with every sound replaced by the Tim Allen grunt

>>2465405
RGA2 has slower movement than Doom.
I also don't really remember there being healing pickups but that's probably my memory being bad.

The guns are kinda slow even with upgrades.
Wasn't there a weapon limit too?

The point I was trying to make though was that you can't really get that kind of experience outside of Doom.

You could change up Doom's core gameplay a lot but generally in each gameplay mod you need to dodge and move through projectiles while attacking.

While someone who might like CoD's weaponry but not the whack a mole gameplay could get a much more fun experience through Doom.

Or hell, Bulletstorm has a Doom mod and that's way more fun than the actual game because it has fast paced gameplay and dodging to deal with enemies as it's core instead of being a regen shooter.

>>2465492
>Bulletstorm has a Doom mod
Link?

Also been laying Pirates! and WTF is this shit on the picrelated

>>2465527 me
it looks like Pinkie's sprite is composed of two actors stacked on top of each other, and each billboaards on it's own, which looks weird.

>>2465527
>>2465529

It's a glitch with transparent 3D floors.
Sprites at the same height as them will clip in two.

>>2465420
I think this has been done before. Sounds real familiar.

>>2465024
>>2465028
>>2465029
>>2465030
Name of mapset, please?

>>2465545
http://www.best-ever.org/download?file=allengrunt2.wad

>>2465550
>http://www.best-ever.org/download?file=allengrunt2.wad
I thought so.

>>2465527
http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=32494

Also i'm looking for space/space station and interior-based (like bases or facilities) wads that don't throw a crapton of enemies at you.

Is there a mod that makes the Doom enemies smarter? Something like Brutal Doom's enemies, but without all the other big changes, and hopefully compatible with weapon mods.

wut was that horror wad where u start in the house and you go thru the mirror and its scary as fuck with creepy music.

>>2465579

unloved?

>>2465579

Unloved sounds like it fits everything except "scary as fuck".

>>2465580
>unloved
>>2465582
thats it thanks guys iono its pretty scary.

Is it possible to add an aiming lag to the hitscanners? E.g. when they fire, they fire not straight at you, but at the position you were 1-2 seconds ago.

>>2465353
I like Doom, it's fun, it's got a very wonderful atmosphere and feeling to it and the ground gameplay is great, but there's so many mods that can do things that I really love.

>>2465569
I think sapphire might interest you
http://www.doomworld.com/idgames/index.php?file=levels/doom2/Ports/s-u/sapphire.zip

>>2465492
>RGA2 has slower movement than Doom.
You're thinking of Voltlock's RGA, the refined version (the one that EVERYONE plays) moves faster even if you have a heavy weapon out.
>I also don't really remember there being healing pickups but that's probably my memory being bad.
Again, you're thinking in the non-refined version. In RGH you died so fucking easy, health pickups were irrelevant.
>Wasn't there a weapon limit too?
There is but only for each type of weapons (You can carry one of each, SMG/Shotguns are on the same tier. But grabbing OneManArmy perk lets you grab 2 SMG/Shotguns, 2 Assault Rifles and carry more ammo)

I give you the point you were trying to make, i was just pointing out that RGA2 is not what you described.

>>2465586
That's their default behavior...

Could somebody please throw the files needed for Quake/Quake 2 up on Mega or wherever?

>>2465621
Bro there's a million Quake torrents on the intercunts, you could have effortlessly searched for and started the download in the time it took for me to reply to you, and it was a quick reply.

>>2465620
Why do zombiemen and chaingunners hit me when Im running then?

>>2465620
No it's not. It takes them a few tics to aim, but then they fire at player's current location, not the one it was when they began to aim. The thing is, their precision is shit, so they will rarely hit you, but whether you are moving or not makes no difference.

My idea: make them spot-on accurate, so they will obliterate you if you stand still, but also give them aim lag, so they will miss terribly if you're on the move.
Kinda remake that "bullets hitting where you just've been" and "running from bullets" action movie feels.

>>2465618
Well let me replace RGA2 with SUAB for my example then, my bad.

I'll have to check out RGH, sounds better

>>2465646
Also I meant RGH sounds better than RGA2.

SUAB is one of my favorite slow paced mods. I have to try Hideous Destructor sometime still though

>>2465572
But the other "big changes" are part of what makes BD's enemies smarter. They have more savage/strategic behavior by pouncing at you or retreating when you get close, evading your projectiles, using the environment as weapons, etc. There is no way to have smarter enemies without changing Doom's core gameplay.

>>2465625
My campus blocks torrents, otherwise I'd have done that already.

>>2465550
This is amazing

>>2465662
I'd almost wonder if it'd be possible to remove all the extra attacks and keep the searching AI, but then Brutal Doom isn't exactly known for its clean code...

>>>/vg/106189021
Killing Floor 2 General says hi

actually they just had some really cool OC and as a browser of both generals I thought I'd link it here, as it's related

>>2465717
that's good, i like that. let's repost it here.

>>2465739
I agree, just wanted the right people to get cross-thread credit, etc

>soundtrack question

We're all familiar with the Quake OST. I think it's great but I'm not exactly familiar with what genre you would call it or where you would go to find similar music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dExAIWPkG2s

Hatred's soundtrack sounds similar in some parts and I was wondering what others here thought of it. Just the music.

It's a shame actually as while I'm sure the devs wouldn't mind somebody using a song from it in a map (still have to ask) the insane controversy around the game makes it inadvisable to use.

>>2465353
I've played the default game for 20 fucking years, I think I've earned the right to try something new.

>>2465587
>>2465821

You misunderstood me. Theres nothing wrong with liking and playing gameplay mods. I just personally don't understand playing them almost exclusively.

I've been a fan for 20 years too, and while I do like gameplay mods, I still find I'm able to enjoy doom without them.

>>2464562 (me)
maybe if i play it enough i'll stop disliking it. not sure i can be bothered though.

>>2464562 (me)
maybe if i play it enough i'll stop disliking it. not sure i can be bothered though.

>>2465817
Dark ambient, or industrial ambient.

Ah Cama Sotz, (sometimes) Aphex Twin, Ain Soph, and punk7890 do great stuff like it.
If you want the more industrial stuff, then definitely Ah Cama Sotz.

>>2465353
Do these exclusively gameplay mod playing people even exist? Aside from the supposed brutal kiddies, whose existence I'm not entirely convinced of either due to sometimes obvious false flag trolling. While I do personally know some people who wouldn't mind playing nothing besides brootal, they're not the type to interact with any Doom communities ever. (These are the kind of people who you see proclaiming brawtals superiority over vanilla on Youtube comments though)

>>2465353
I guess I'm kind of odd because I'm a bit of a purist in some senses. I like maps with a "classic doom" feel, like Scythe or Alien Vendetta, and my main source port is PrBoom+, but I also really like gameplay mods and while I don't play them as much as I play regular old Doom, I still play them quite a bit.

I always play through a map vanilla before hand though, I would rather not have the map painted in a poor light by breaking it in half the first time around.

>>2465852
Yeah, you're kinda like me, then. Heh.

>>2465817
Trent Reznor was heavily influenced by a band called Coil, while doing his Quake 1 soundtrack.

but yeah dark ambient, maybe mt. fuji doomjazz corporation, or even some contemporary composers like Tristan Murail or Gerard Grisey:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cd-Kyk0d3fE

>>2465842
>>2465858
>dark ambient

Excellent, thanks guys. Hopefully I can find a map song. I'll check those bands too.

>>2465858
is that why it sucked so much? God it was so soft it was pussy-like, no metal handbanging tracks at all like in Doom. Quake just plain sucked.

>>2465878
It was written for the dark lovecraftian horror fantasy rpg quake was originally supposed to be

>>2465907
Thank fuck it didn't end up like that.

I've been messing around with DemonSteele recently, but I want to try it out with maps that are designed with 3 dimensional movement and aiming in mind. Anyone have recommendations?

>>2465858
Quake will always be underappreciated because of it's relation to Doom and people wanting Quake to just be Doom
see: >>2465878
I like Doom and Quake near equally, but in their own way. Everyone will brush off the first Quake though (don't link me to that awful Errant Signal vid).
It felt like a lot of work went in every element. Even TR seemed to have felt a sense of importance by going more closely to his industrial roots, which in my opinion has been lacking in NINs music since TDS.
The 3D design being primitive helped with the games theme dramatically, I just don't think a game like Q1 could be done successfully today if attempted.
There's my ramble

So how does MaxED's Re-Exhumed (http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=47821)) compare to Powerslave EX? Because I still can't get Powerslave EX to work, even with the patch

>>2465979
Any mods to make Q1 more fun? Weapon mods? Enemy behaviour mods?
I really want to like Q1 but I find the gunplay booring.

That one overkill-like weapon mod linked few threads ago also changes the core gameplay into arena-like so... nah to that one.

>>2465878
I personally think the quake 1 soundtrack is the pinnacle of id soundtracks, and also of Trent's career.

you can ask for a closer game/score bond that that. some of the best soundscapes and atmopsheres of any game imo.

and I like metal, just always felt doom sountrack was cheesy, just like the game, you're a hardened marine who goes around chainsawing pink demons. quake was ID grown up. moody, dark, a game that seemed to have a real and serious storyline, and a total atmosphere that sold it all (for 1996 at least...)
quake 2 soundtrack was a major disappointment after the first quake. but after time it grew on me, as repetitive and bland as it is (essentially the same tone guitar and drums playing mindless riffs the entire way, with some minor non-atmospheric electronic effects.)

>>2466027
you *cant ask for a closer game/score bond *than that

>>2466010
>I really want to like Q1 but I find the gunplay booring.

Do you mainly use the double barrel?

Is there anything thats harder than Swift Death yet?

>>2466062
"Regular Day" if you're a well adjusted person. Jesus christ I didn't know there was shit like that in the doom modding community

>>2466094
Looked it up on youtube. Looks pretty fucked up.

>>2465992
It's unfinished. Only the first level is done.

>>2466138
Does that explain why the first level and training area are so fucking balls hard?

>>2466094
> I didn't know there was shit like that in the doom modding community

Ever heard about Grezzo m8?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=581&v=XvIFPVo00Kw

>>2466154
Grezzo is at least sort of funny, especially in an Italian context, and doesn't try to act serious.
Regular Day is just a look into some extremely edgy 15 year old's mind.
That is not a joke. TheBadHustlex is actually an extremely edgy 15 year old.

>>2466154
>>2466170
Exactly, grezzo 2 has some much less refined postal 2 type humor (imagine that). Restoring health by masturbating to pokemon and gore in first person view doesn't have any sort of merit.

>Regular Day
I looked it up on youtube, it's so edgy it's actually kind of funny. Are there any forum threads I can read to see the assharm about it?

>>2466317
http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=45658

>>2465975

Good luck. There's only a small handful of ZDoom-focused projects that are A: really good, and B: don't spam custom monsters/weapons.
Only thing off the top of my head I can think of is Ultimate Simplicity, and even that has the fucking goddamn shit ass piss HUD that it forces you to use.

People need to map for ZDoom more.

>>2466389
Workin' on it

>>2466317
>it's so edgy it's actually kind of funny
this
it's still so edgy it's retarded, but I giggled a bit looking at a youtube video of it

>>2465979
Quake's biggest problem is the guns.
Shotgun sucks, SSG is mediocre and obsoletes the shotgun completely (it's fast enough that the normal SG's speed advantage doesn't matter as much as in Doom, and you're significantly better off shooting far away enemies with the nailgun than the normal shotgun, unlike Doom's shotgun, which you're only slightly worse off using instead of the chaingun).
Nailgun is neat, SNG obsoletes it completely assuming you don't miss.
At least the grenade and rocket launchers are wonderful and lots of fun. It's much more interesting to use the Quake rocket launcher than Doom's.

in Doom (at least, in Doom 1, since the SSG there is pretty busted), you're cycling through all of your weapons semi-frequently (with the only truly useless one being the Pistol -- zero advantage over the chaingun, doesn't save enough ammo to be worth it)
Quake has pretty much has four guns.

Level design is neat, the game looks nice (maybe too many textures are taken from Doom 2 with a brown+dirt filter slapped on them), water is a wonderful thing (at some point, I want to make a level for gzdoom with lots of water and slopes and shit -- would just make a Quake level, but all of the editors are a pain in the ass, and TrenchBroom keeps crashing on me (and is still a pain in the ass)).

so yeah, Quake really is pretty much Doom but different, and a lot of people really just want more Doom (especially here, in the Doom thread)
but I like what's different about Quake (the more dynamic enemies, the tight layouts, the look -- Doom's textures have this oddly washed out quality to them)

>>2465878
>no metal handbanging tracks at all like in Doom
you know, Doom has surprisingly few heavy tracks itself

While we're on the subject, does anyone else really like Quake's monsters?
I know they're mostly a product of the game's engine, but I love how blunt and fleshy their designs are.

>>2466389
Sucks to hear. Just wanted something that doesn't make jumping seem like sequence breaking.

Been trying out Marathon. Is the control supposed to be so floaty? It's a bit awkward to move around.

>>2466403
what about the lightning gun? is that any good?

>>2466416
The fiends and scrags are cool, the rest are pretty forgettable imho. Well except the shambler too I guess, but I don't really like it.

>>2466432
I actually forgot about it. It's pretty much the plasma gun of the game (unless you use it in the water, where it's like an atomic bomb, use that way only when invincible).
Bit rare and ammo's somewhat rare, too.

Neat gun though.

>>2466448
It really really shines with quad damage.

HELIPAD.WAD - http://www.doomworld.com/idgames/?id=136

a nicely designed base level which you start outside of. it's pretty disjoint but the two major rooms are well made with good use of height differences.

it's really a puzzle map all about the soulsphere you see on entry. getting this requires pressing a bunch of switches in hidden places in the right order, and it's quite easy to lock yourself out of one or the other. alternatively you can ignore everything and just exit because for some reason the exit door is not locked. it was probably meant to need the red key, which is otherwise unused.

overall i wanted to like this but the odd progression made it unsatisfying. i don't like being locked out of things without even realising it.

note: there is a version in 1994tu which i completely forgot about. i didn't even get the creeping sense of deja vu.

>>2466461
i always thought it odd that quake had no bfg equivalent. but i suppose the quad damage plus an appropriate weapon was the replacement (?)

>>2466483
Scourge of armagon and dissolution of eternity did bring some meatier guns, but a proper bfg would indeed have been neat. Speaking of the expansions, those gun-stealing gremlins where amazing.

>>2465878
>God it was so soft it was pussy-like, no metal handbanging tracks at all like in Doom.
I know that you're trying to get an angry reaction, but I'm not going to give you one.
I'm just disappointed.

>>2466486
well, arguably they realised it was a mistake since they added an actual bfg in the sequel...

>>2466491

I would kill to have to Doom 4 look that like that -- the style, aesthetics, everything.

>>2466491
nice jizzing dick on that Spiderdemon

>>2466520
that was intentional on the part of the artist, if i recall correctly.

>>2466389
>>2466425
Looking through my ZDoom mapset folder, I've got:

Aeternum
Bella2
Dark7
Dissolution
Impossible: A New Reality
It Only Gets Worse
Mandrill Ass Project
Sapphire
The S Project
Dark Tartarus
Zaero

That's...really kind of a small handful, considering the sheer amount of massive amazing limit-removing megawads.

>>2465076
What gore mod is that?

Played Going Down. Looking for something similar in terms of unusual level progression, but without custom monsters. Custom soundtrack would be nice too.

>>2466491
>>2466503
>>2466527
The guy talked over the making of that in a youtube vid, it's really interesting to watch his work flow. I don't remember what the channel was called though.

>>2466571
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fO0XV2Smiw
He's Feng Zhu. I love his cacodemon design.

>>2466491
>Giger cock gun
Perfect, although Cacos look kinda meh.

Does Grezzo 2 bog down for anyone else? Because I just gave it a shot today and it was nearly unplayable

Romero posted a few photos on his twatter. Not sure if these are available anywhere yet so reposting.

>>2466624

>>2466626

>>2466627
That's it.

giant desk skeleton is watching you code

Question.

I want to play some good old Doom again but I forgot the name of a specific WAD.

You could choose from a bunch of levels and it was basically survival where every round would be randomized.

I'd appreciate the help.

>>2466634
Reelism?

>>2466636

Yes, thanks anon!

>>2466626
>>2466630
Wonder if he used it as his "rubber ducky" for programming.

>>2466651
the image of him talking about torsionally balanced quadtrees and going "mmmm" at a large screaming skeleton is amusing, but he doesn't strike me as the type to need such accoutrements

The Sixth Hour - http://www.doomworld.com/idgames/?id=16747

this is a single E4-style map made in six hours in 2012. while not quite on the scale of Doom E4M2 the start is certainly very top-heavy, throwing large numbers of monsters at you from all directions, and is the most likely place to die. it eased up somewhat after i had acquired the red key - clearing the area around there makes the location of the entrance to the plasma gun secret rather obvious. after this i went the other way to the red door and found a chaingun on a pillar, which i could have done with earlier, but never mind.

we then work our way round to a room overlooking the central platform at the start of the level, this gives you a rocket launcher and teleports more barons onto the platform, adding to those that have been there since the beginning. i chose to leave the initial two alone to save ammo, and was glad i did. a bridge raises to the platform - curiously the barons are not able to walk off it, which makes killing them easier. you then go off and grab the blue key, which you saw earlier on the way to the red, and that's pretty much it.

the final thing i wish to note is the prevalence of encounters with lost souls which are rendered mostly harmless by special thing blockage. this is the one PRO DOOM STRAT that is for some reason not in the video.

a very nice and fun level which i recommend playing.

>>2466542
Literally, 'Gore Mod', mixed with Droplets mostly for aesthetic value so that the resulting blood puffs aren't stock sprites.

>>2466676

I love the attitude of that mod so much

So it turns out that russian remaster of Hell on Earth uses mostly vanilla textures besides the exception or two. So I decided to mess around and use the high-res texture pack out there.

Too bad the sky textures are borked, it's giving me the Doom 1 vietnam Mars sky, and the D1 skies are all broken or misplaced. Older versions were more stable about sky textures than this I swear.

>>2466683
Mark making the pixelated blood 'fit in' more with the normal Doom style ironically made it stop fitting in with high-res environments. Then again, all the items, weapons and monsters are low-res sprites anyway so clashing's inevitable.

>>2466690
Case in point.

>>2466683
>russian remaster of Hell on Earth
?
is that a megawad you are talking about?

>>2466695
http://iddqd.ru/levels?find=HontE%20remastered

It's only 8 maps in, but compared to Ultimate Doom 2 which tried to expand and made the maps less abstract, this is basically the same maps but visually revamped and overhauled.

I recommend finding a flashlight mod of some sort, even on bright standards some of these areas are pretty dark. Ultimate Visor comes with a flashlight at least.

>>2466681
can you give us a summary of what's good about it, and how it compares with other refined BD versions such as SE? please forgive my laziness - i looked up its thread but it was 34 pages long...

http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=47229

>>2466708

>Melee is now assigned to a button, you just tap it and start punching shit
>fatalities are something that happen at random, and give you other rewards besides just health like ammo, grenades, etc.
>infinite ammo pistol
>BEST FUCKING BERSERK PACK EVER
>>>/wsg/661279

It feels better designed than Burl dum

>>2466223

Is there even a Grezzo 1?

>>2466554
necropecia, eternal doom series we're all dead here

>>2466623
>>2466623
played it because i saw a yt'er play the mario part & said to myself "i gotta play that"

>that level where you can kill god

other than that, the later levels shoots my framerate in the head & kicks it in a ditch, so that why i discontinued playing it. for now

>>2466719
heh, crazy. so you just grunt loudly and the monsters all explode? well i'll try it out sometime soon, thanks for your answer.

>>2465020
>John "I'm losing control of my faculties" Carmack
Uh wait you guys you aren't saying what I think you're saying, right?

>>2466784
Hm? Twas a story from Masters of Doom. Romero got Carmack drunk for the first time in his life and he simply said "I'm losing control of my faculties.".

>>2466784

It's a story on Masters of Doom, back when he was at id developing Keen, iirc.

>>2466704
is the darkdoom flashlight good, or do you have a better one in stock?

>>2466802
It's the only flashlight mod that even seems to function anymore. Ultimate Visor has a less bright and somewhat more narrow variant of it. Someone was working on a Half-Life-style flashlight, the same guy who did the footsteps mod, but progress on that went quiet a month or so ago.

beam flashlight, the one you're looking at, isn't all that great but it gets the job done

>>2466787
>>2466789
Oh thank god, I thought it was a reference to Carmack getting alzheimers. I've seen firsthand how that shit ruins someone and everyone around them.

We were supposed to have an update ALMOST TWO YEARS AGO

I really hope he gets something going to get the hype rolling again

>>2466858
for reelism? yeah...
this mod reminds me of smash TV for some reason

>>2466858
>Pic

COME ON AND SLAM,AND WELCOME TO THE JAM

"it seems like it could be fun" -HDoomGuy on his expectations for Doom 4 at E3 2015

>>2466985
Honestly i'm not even looking for something mind-blowing, genre-revolutionizing or even stellar. I just want a fun shooter that I can keep coming back to over and over.

>>2466985

Sounds about right.
Seems like it could be. Seems like it also couldn't be.

Not like we have anything to go off of, with a grand total of seven seconds of footage between both teasers.

I remember a mod that was on the moon and the first level had tyrian music. Anyone know what the mod was called?

>>2467041
Mars War? only thing that comes to mind

>>2465076
A day later with Brutal Doom j20 - 'Classic Experience'. Not a big fan, i'd honestly prefer if the weapons were more like their vanilla counterparts since the creator went through the effort of trying to vanilla-tize the enemies while keeping their AI.

>>2466624
Is that romero's jacket? What a homo.

>>2467041
Lunatic.

>>2467089
that was it thank you

>>2467073
>since the creator went through the effort of trying to vanilla-tize the enemies

What did he change?

>>2467143
They use special attacks much less (aka the Imps don't spam fireballs and leapslash anywhere near as often), and their speeds were slowed down to more vanilla-like levels. It's strange just how radically different the enemy speeds make things when the gameplay's still Brutal Doom essentially.

I wouldn't say it's a great BD tweak, it's just an interesting alternate variant of BDj. But I don't mind the less dickish enemy speeds and attacks.

>>2467063
Mars War is on Mars, not the moon.

>>2463628
http://www.doomworld.com/vb/wads-mods/68089-sunlust-betar1-released/ Sunlust beta is out

What program is recommended for capturing GZDoom gameplay?

>>2467325
DxTory is beast

>>2467330
DXtory doesen't always work. Bandicam is sort-of more reliable in this regard.

>>2467212
Holy crap, gotta check that out

Holy shit, picked up the Anti-Freak Jackal for the first time while using a pistol scout, this thing is going to be the death of me. EXPLODING BOOLETS.

Pic related, murdered all these barons and accidentally killed the backpack with them.

>>2466730

>>2466416
I think the fiend is kinda cool and 10x better than Doom's demon but that's it.

>>2467371
>accidentally killed the backpack with them.
I know that feel.

By the way, the something awful forumshave a megathread for roguelike LPs. forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3720568
There's a DoomRL one that's pretty good, including an Angel of Marksmanship (pistol only, basically).

shareware version of this meme. distribute at will.

>>2466996
> I just want a fun shooter that I can keep coming back to over and over

Unfortunately too few games like that exist these days. Companies forgot about "fun" and started caring more about "hype & profits" a long time ago

>>2467793
For me, a shooter like that was a Borderlands series.
I played the first one through a total of 24 times, with all the DLC's (I maxed out 12 characters, which requires you to play through it 2 times witrh each, on regular and higher difficulties)

The second one - 20 times, all DLC's included (note that all DLCs combined provide about twice as much content as the main game itself)

The "pre sequel" (basically a glorified DLC for the 2nd one) - only 2 times, because it was not made by original devs, and missions got boring fast.

I played the games for about 3 or 4 years nearly straight, so maybe I just burned out on those series, and should come back to them later, but I don't feel like playing them again now.


Actually I was thinking about implementing kind of the same shoot-and-loot mechanics in DooM, but the doubt in my modding skill stopped me.

TOMORROW

>>2467830
I'm bracing myself.

>>2467824
Borderlands series really does have replay value, yeah. I didn't even mind Pre-sequel that much.

I really hope Gearbox keep the humour to being more like it was in BL1 when they make the inevitable BL3. I do like the gameplay in BL2, but the humour was extremely overbearing and unfunny for the most part.

>>2467848
revert* not keep.

>>2467848
I'm surprised that Gearbox is still in business at all after the shit they pulled with Aliens: Colonial Marines

>>2467906
They did it with Sega's money, so the only thing they lost was a consumer's trust (which they already blown by that point anyway)

>>2467830
Get HYP^W AGITATED!

>>2464929
>Cost doesn't go to original creators

That's the case with most games. If they are lucky they will get a shitty royalty but most the time they get paid in advance to develop it and then the rest goes towards the publishers.

>>2467937
Well, that's not all. They used Sega's money to fund Boarderlands 1 & 2 as well as used it in obtaining the rights to Duke Nukem after 3D Realms' collapse

>>2467963
i am fairly sure that kind of deal was not the case with doom

>>2468026
Yeah id is the exception, I'm just sick of people using that argument towards almost every video game even if they aren't self published.

>>2468026
Bethesda owns id and all of it's intellectual properties though, so I don't see a reason why Carmack, Romero, and the others would get royalties

>>2466730
Didn't like it, but thanks anyway.

>>2468034
ah i see we are talking at cross purposes. you are speaking of the contemporary situation, whereas i was talking of the situation under which the original games were published.

i agree since id was absorbed/subsumed/appropriated/swallowed by zenimax there ceased to be a reason to hand over money for older titles, and i believe this conversation began over said older titles (somebody complaining about the price of wolf/spear/heretic/hexen on steam).

Hoyl shit, you guys. Brutal Doom v20 brought me to this thread, but my god, fucking Demonsteele. Turned Doom into the first game I played that made me feel genuiely like a superhero.

I'm having way too much fun, you guys.

>>2468056
Glad you're having fun!

>>2468056
Set your sprite clipping to smarter, for the love of god.

>>2468056
Demonsteele is pretty great.
turn your goddamn texture filtering off

>>2468056
turn off your god damn filters

>>2468056
Glad to have another bro hanging around. Hope you hang a while and get to play with more mods.

>>2468060
That screenshot.

>>2468059
>>2468060
>>2468061
I'm new to this. All I have is Brutal Doom, Demonsteele and a bunch of Skybox mods.

>Set your sprite clipping to smarter
How do I do that? Can't find it in Display
Options

>>2468061
Not using any filters. I've barely touched GZDoom's OpenGL settings.

>>2466680
>literally gore mod
Uhhhh...

>>2468070
>Not using any filters.

You are, actually, GZDoom defaults to them on for some godawful reason.
Go to Options > Display Options > Open GL Options > Texture Options > Texture Filter Mode > None.

This increases your FPS, reduces system strain, and doesn't smudge up all of the sprites so you can see everything crisp and clear.

>>2468070
Display options → OpenGL options → Preferences
Adjust sprite clipping → Smarter

Display options → OpenGL options → Texture options
Texture filter mode → None
High quality resize mode → Off

>>2468070
>>2468074
If you need any more info on what different options do, go to ZDoom Wiki.

>>2468074
Thanks.
So top is "Adjust sprite clipping" = Always
And bottom is "Adjust sprite clipping" = Smarter
In this case, wouldn't "Always" be better than "Smarter"?

>>2468070
it is a matter of some consternation to many that the gzdoom defaults are to have all the texture filters turned on. gzdoom's developers basically disagree with a significant number of users on the issue.

>>2468079
Sprites worked differently in software render, sso no option will be able to replicate original behaviour. Smarter and Always are the best options in my opinion.

From ZDoom Wiki:
Always: Offsets are always adjusted if they make the sprite sink in the ground.
Smarter: Offsets are adjusted in a wider range of cases than with "smart", including if they sink in the ceiling. The amount by which they are adjusted is scaled according to the overall height of the sprite. Very small sprites (such as POB2A0) are visible, contrarily to "smart", even if they are offset in the ceiling (such as CDRP[ABCD]0); and tall sprites (such as TGRNA0) do not seem to hover above the floor, contrarily to "always".

Also, I advise you to set your Sector light mode to Software. Makes lighting closer to the original.

I can't get weapons to display in Heretic using gzdoom (pic related). Is there a solution to this?

It started happening when my GPU (GTX 560) died and I had to replace it with and old Radeon HD 4350 that I had.

I could sometimes make it work by changing the game to fullscreen and back to windowed mode, but now even that doesn't work.

>>2468087
Check if Show Player Sprites in Display Options is set to On.

I don't need to tag sectors if I use action 1 DR OPEN WAIT CLOSE

>>2468091
It is.

Is anyone disappointed with Brutal Doom v20?
I don't like the majority of changes including...
Grenades
Dual Wielding
Revenant's Fireball slowdown
Ball sack swinging from shotgun
New aim down sight for assault rifle
nerfed the shotgun
nerfed the BFG
nerfed the rocket launcher
The model for the plasma gun is too boxy
The Chainsaw is worthless now


There's a couple of good things and some things I'm neutral about but it seems to me that v19 is better

anyone else think so as well?

>>2468095
right? I forgot to ask my question, sorry. It's fine if I leave the tag as 0, no?

>>2468097

Yeah, a lot of the changes in v20 are fucking stupid.
Oh well. Lots of other mods to play.

>>2468097
Nerfed Rocket Launcher is the only thing that bothers me right now. Maybe He'll fix some of that stuff in the upcoming update.

>>2468106
That's one of my main complaints, It takes 7 shots with the rocket launcher to kill a baron now

>>2468097
There's a lot of that I'm forgetting honestly, one I just remembered was that now demons have a chance to survive a "death" and come after you again or bleed out

>>2468101
>>2468095
yes, you are right. manual (D1/DR) doors do not need tag numbers, they always act on the back sector of the linedef.

>>2466416
I just wish the monsters were more fragile, so the guns would feel more awesome. 2 blasts of a SHOTGUN to kill a STARTING ENEMY!

>>2468123
>Quakes guns suck because shotgun is weak

Shotgun in quake is basically Doom's pistol. Your meant to be using the other weapons.

>>2468123
If there's one that bugged me about Quake, it's that technically speaking enemies have low health counts, but they made the weapons really weak to compensate besides the Rocket Launcher and Thunderbolt.

The result was a game from the same people that made shotguns awesome in Doom, that had the shotgun as the equivalent of a pistol that you never want to use again after other guns replace it in efficiency. And even the super shotgun is just basically a slower but stronger shotgun that might as well be a straight upgrade.

>>2468160
The nailguns are anything but weak. They are actually more effective against shamblers than the rocket launcher.

>playing doom with reshade
>can not aim with the mouse, only use the keyboard

help

>>2468097
being able to unload ammo from a weapon you are not using is occasionally useful

>>2468097
Honestly I'm still playing v19 over v20.

I feel like rather than trying to add more features and stuff (unless it's stuff that really really fits the rest and doesn't change existing gameplay too much) Mark should have focused on finalizing v19, making it the best version of what already existed that he could. Touching up/color matching sprites where he felt it was needed, fixing bugs, optimizing, and basically just general polish.

Then after that if he wanted to release later versions of BD that change up a bunch of stuff, go ahead and do that. But I feel like from version to version no version really felt completely polished, it was always a tiny bit more polish and then more features rather than ever reaching a point where the whole thing felt finished.

That's just my >opinion though.

>>2468186
Yeah I mean there are some good additions in v20 like the double barrel shotgun knocking down Mancubus now, Marines follow you level to level and some more

But my personal opinion is that v19 is better than v20 currently, the few upsides to v20 will be missed by the many downsides to v20 won't be

>>2468189
Yeah I agree, The problem I've seen with Brutal Doom is that mark likes to add new things and do small but many changes (some pretty important like with the rocket launcher nerf) rather than just polish everything to a fine detail

>>2468159
yeah but it's a SHOTGUN, slow firing but powerful. making it weak goes against all expectation.

>>2468206
The other issue is that he will sometimes add a feature only to take it out in a later version, meaning that all the time and effort put into the feature ended up ultimately being worthless.

>>2468189
>>2468206
>>2468210
i think he knows his audience, most of whom come from outside the core set of doomers and care more about novelty and features than polish

>>2468215
I don't think so because every new update there aren't many new features, the majority of his updates are subtle changes to the game

I think Brutal Doom gets a bad wrap because it attracts people outside of the core set or new people to doom, though it is accessible I don't necessarily think he caters to that demographic as much as people say so

>>2468210
That's true, I think instead of adding version after version it would end up being more beneficial to stick to one version and finely tune it rather than advertising new versions with new features

>>2468079
I'm late, but just so you know, "always" tries to correct everything including projectiles. This means projectiles won't actually be where they look to be, the sprites will be off-center.

Look at a doom imp fireball, then swap the settings back and forth.

How do I get Brutal Doom v20 and Plutonia to launch correctly through ZDL? Each time I select Plutonia to launch it takes me to its main menu but loads up Doom 2's first level. What am I doing wrong?

>>2468308
is it being loaded as an pwad instead of iwad?

>>2468308
You load Plutonia as the IWAD, you don't load it as a PWAD over Doom2

>>2468231
>stick to one version and finely tune it rather than advertising new versions with new features
that seems to be pretty much what the offshoots are :)

>>2468312
>>2468313

I'm retarded when it comes to this stuff, sorry. It's on the left side of ZDL as an IWAD, is that you're referring to?

>>2468314
Pretty much but I still like Brutal Doom

>>2468316
I dunno what version of ZDL you have, but Plutonia should be where the IWADs are like Doom, Doom2 and ext

>>2468316

fuck me, I'm actually retarded. meant RIGHT side, not left.

>>2468319

Yeah, sorry, I'm an idiot. Here's what it looks like for me

>>2468323
Remove Brutalized Doom and see if it works for you.

>>2468325

Yep, that worked. Thanks m8

>>2468323
>loads brutalized doom 2 levels in plutonia

No wonder you were getting Doom 2 levels.

>>2468323
jeez, that's a lot of addons...

that guy has the worst case of self-importance. imagine posting an entire thread about how you're officially not using some mod anymore.

>>2468319
>Doom64
How do you get that to launch from ZDL?

Zandronum mouse fucking sucks. I don't know why, but it feels like there is some kind of smoothing and input lag. I tried everything. Nothing helps. I'm done with Zandronum.

Is GZDoom multiplayer stable enough for 2 players. I saw reports of successful 2 player multiplayer in GZDoom. Any advice? I know how to set it up. Going to test it tonight. Hope everything works out. Had some issues before, but didn't took enough time to test everything properly.

>>2468339
yes, as long as you're playing a map that doesn't contain anything that needs random numbers to function, there's nothing to go out of sync.

>>2468334
>Random Deaths & Decorations
>Literally Smooth Doom with less features.

nuff said

>>2468346
I thought Smooth Doom was based off of Random Deaths & Decorations, no?

>>2468354

Nope. Smooth Doom was actually started by Mark, but after he was banned Gifty took over. Random Deaths & Decorations appeared after Smooth Doom.

More straight rendered monster sprites (not cleaned up though these ones have color) for general community use.

It's a multi-armed no-legged creature with sharp teeth that I saw in a dream once (in the dream they were friendly). An old model (probably 5-6 years) I decided to make monster frames from.

Animation frames:
Idle
Walking
Bite attack
Hanging from ceiling
Climbing along ceiling
Attack from ceiling
Pain state
Ceiling pain state

No death animation, since it flopping on the ground would be boring and animating limbs falling off would be better suited to aseprite or some other spriting program. 176 frames total.
Link:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/dj2xr2mjvdub8cf/MrHands.zip

>>2468097
Pretty much, yeah.
Feels like a metamod to BD rather than BD itself, if you know what I mean.

>>2468394
Yeah I know what you mean

>>2463627
>tfw you were born in 1994 and will never frag your friends after school in lan death matches

Well this is surreal

What would you guys think of a mega-wad that turned everything in Doom, Doom II, Plutonia, and Evilution into clay-like environment ala the Neverhood?

>>2468378

This is rad as hell, thank you.

>>2468479

Foreverhood was making great progress, then stopped for some reason.

>>2468483
>Foreverhood
Sounds interesting, I'll be sure to check it out

>>2468483
No problem.

>>2468479
That would be rad.
Replace the music with covers similar to Neverhood's tracks as well. All guitar replaced with either acoustic or kazoo.

Doom 4 reveal tomorrow niggas.

You hype?

>>2468596
Rather anxious, if anything.

>>2468596
niggas?

>>2468596
>>2468606
More interested in getting my hands on that Doom 4 beta that you get for pre-ordering The New Order.

>>2468606
don't worry it's gonna be great, I can feel it. I'm good with these things

things cant be shit forever, the tide must turn some time. doom 4 will be very good anon. believe me. not as great as the originals obviously, but damn good in its own right.

>>2468614
I had an access card with the code to the doom 4 beta that i got with wolf tno but I lost the fucking card. I cant believe i did that either.

>boss on first round
>get this motherfucker

Welp, nice knowing you guys.

>>2468612
I'm hype. I seem like one of the few people on /v/ and /vr/ that is though.

>>2468596

Not really, no. Still going to watch it just in case it's better than I expect.

>>2468619
Unless It's Doom 1 & 2 .5 then I'm not excited in the least

If it's an atmospheric horror game (doom 3) then I don't care at all

>>2468623
Most people on 4chan thrive on negativity because they're sexually frustrated retards. They also think it gives them brownie points to turn their noses up at everything. It seems they harbour a strange misplaced sense of elitism despite being literal shitters that aren't good at video games; Doom included.

That's why they call everything shit without even giving it a chance. Don't let the spergs get you down friend. This is all they have.

>>2468646

Or, alternatively, because Bethesda's put out nothing but shit lately.
But your theory is more conspiracy-friendly, so let's go with that.

>>2468659
>nothing but shit
There's that patented 4chan negativity again. Keep up the good work anon.

>>2468621
wait wait wait, i never saw that boss before

>>2468621
I swear I saw a fucker like this replace the Spider Mastermind in Demonsteele, infact it may be the same boss.

Does anyone know of any gameplay mods without hitscan other than GMOTA? I'm really digging it, but I want to find something more doom-centric. .

>>2468702

DemonSteele doesn't have any hitscans, but it's decisively not Doom-centric.
In fact, I say it's probably even less Doom-centric.

>>2468673
Hey dude, I was that pessimistic before I played in the chan.
A bit of respect pls.

>>2468673

Thanks, douchebag. At first I had doubts about this patent, holding onto a monopoly of being the only people in the world allowed to call games "shit", but it turns out it's been fantastic.
Every time I insult a game, I get paid a nickel because only 4chan is allowed to dislike a game.

>>2468635
they say its not going to be an atmospheric horror game. They said its going back to the originals. I mean they even had the same door opening sound effect as the originals

but holy fuck im nervous.

>>2468695
That it is. Kinsie revealed him on page 80 of the Reelism thread on Zdoom

>>2468702
Brutal Doom

>>2468596

I'm hype, because I was there for the Quakecon reveal and want to see more.

Beat
DOOM
DOOM 2
Plutonia
TNT
DOOM 64

now im bored, is plutonia 2 worth it? any other good vanilla doom wads?

>>2468778
crusades

>>2468785
>melee w/ weapon
>up and down mouse movement
>reloading
>new guns

thats not vanilla anon

>>2468760
Judging from that, you think it's solid enough for a genuine gameplay reveal tomorrow? And i'm guessing you really want to play that Doom beta?

Infact this is probably the perfect time for Bethesda and iD to announce when the beta will occur.

>>2468702
Wild Weasel's NazisV2

>>2466858

So glad that he finally got up his arse and stopped fucking around with SFM faggotry. Reelism is one of the only reasons I have ZDoom in my computer

>>2468621

>that pic
>Nothing on the zdoom thread
>implying tumblr keeps filenames

Hey sup Kinsie.

>>2468778

Doom the way id Did
Jenesis
BTSX series

>>2468803
they're lookin good thanks anon

>>2468646
I'd hate to say it but eh, I don't have much faith in Doom 4, just high hopes more than anything, but when it comes out we'll see if it can be as good as the hype can live up to.

>>2468794
what? you can't possibly be talking about CRUSADES.wad

Look, I am not the kind of dude who does media references on the internet but...

Rest in peace hex11. The hero the Doom community deserves, but not the one it needs right now

>>2468939
whois hex11 abd why should i car

>countdown timer on doomworld forums

o man the hype is real AND IM FEELIN IT

>>2468950

I had to turn off ublock to see it. Shouldn't be happening. Anyway, here's the thing to whitelist, in case people might care

###doom4countdown

>>2467832
the first few times I looked at it, it kind of looked like his arms spun more than 360 degrees around his whole body when punching

>>2468715
I'm so nervous. I want it to be good. I want to see something fast and exciting again. Looping map design with keys and monster closets and secrets and shit.

>>2466863
upon reading those words, I downloaded it
and hot fuck, it really does

so great

What would would make Doom 4 not a disappointment in your eyes?

>>2469043

Sick-ass monster designs

>>2468338
Sorry I'm a bit late, had work. Add Doom64EX to the source ports and the generated Doom64EX to your IWADS

>>2469049
Add Doom64.wad to the IWADS is what I meant

>>2469043
Awesome design and aesthetics
Fast pace
High replayability
Carrying all the weapons at once
Reloads that don't interrupt gameplay, if they exist at all
Fast movement

>>2469043
Return to classic gameplay with necessary modern updates. Also mods

>>2469068
>>2469071
No reloads are confirmed, carrying all weapons is confirmed. Pace and movement depends, we only have what those who went to Quakecon stated to go on. And replayability.. Well, I hope it's more than Wolfenstein The New Order's kinda half-assed attempts at replayability.

>>2468621
>Devildriver
>revelation machine

someone likes metal

>>2468378
reminds me of a shivan from freespace

>>2469043
mod-ability and mapping tools. Even if the initial released sucked, then at least the fanbase could churn out some decent content

>>2468479
Agree, that would be supremely rad.

MAP03 almost complete

http://www.best-ever.org/download?file=gbadmplusv2c.wad

>>2469043
make a game that feels something like Doom 1 or 2 but with nice, modern graphics
That's it, really.

ideally it'd be easily moddable, but that's getting my hopes up too much

Are Quake levels designed to be pistolstarted? After playing Doom like this was the most amazing shooter experience I ever had, playing Quake feels boring, it's like you SHOULD be able to pistolstart it, but there's the autosave thing.

>>2468413
>doom and halo were the only multiplayer games people managed to sneak onto the schools computers when I went to highschool on 2004-8
>had studyhall wide lan parties if you had a classroom with computers and a teacher who didn't give a fuck

sometimes the teachers even joined in, I had a teacher give me pointers when I was playing nethack

why dont we see new indie fps made in the same vein as wolfenstein/doom

>>2469361
Because everyone tries to shoehorn in procedural generation and RPG guff.

>>2469371
What is this, a furfag shooter?

>>2469371
I recognize this, but I don't know where from.

>>2469361
Wrack. Made by former DooM modder. Its... Fairly meh IMO. Overall design is boooooring.

>>2469389

lol bruuh that's far from being that

nitemare 3d, look it up

>>2469401
Well, the guy being blasted looked like some furry to me

>>2468950
>>2469000
Hilariously using exactly the same style as "/b/'s favorite" website, motherless. Linguica is a pervert...