/vr/ - Retro Games

Castlevania Symphony of the Night
Die monster, you don't belong in this world voice acting. Economy is stupid, the most expensive items costs triple the amount of money you make in a max playthrough. Despite the huge amount of weapons, really only 2 or 3 are worth using. The bullshit unfair clock tower. Final boss fight is the easiest fight in the game.

Fez
Phil Fish is a cunt. Puzzles far too obscure to get without a walkthrough. Too short. Random black holes later in game can make rooms unplayable, but exit-and-enter the room fixes it up, why even include a mechanic which breaks a room?

Doom
Textures not aligned in all places. Bosses easily nerfed once you understand game mechanics. People in the 90s who made WADs with mazes like you'd see in a puzzle book or a re-creation of their school or house or some boring thing. Plasma Gun audio is too loud.

Mortal Kombat 9

I fucking hate the double fights in the mode . SEKTOR AND CYRAX was the HARDEST FIGHT because I didn't know how to use scorpion and crap, and I hate how people can also spam. qq

>>2438753
not retro, faggot.

Fallout 3
tfw when clipping into a rock and not being able to get out again and you haven't saved in 2 hours. Caravan vendor ends up in your map square, slayed by a Deathclaw before you can get there. Most armor and weapons are useless because others are such a good choice. You are practically invincible by Level 20. GotY steam edition has no option to disable DLC. Half a dozen voice actors for dozens of characters.

>>2438779
is retro-styled, only retro gamers would play it. cod/halo/mw2 gamerbro would think it looks shit and old and for faggots. so it's /vr/

This is /vr/, yes?

Retro games, cunts.

>>2438730
Final fantasy 7 is beyond easy, even for a JRPG. It's almost silly to think someone could struggle in this game.

>>2438782
That doesn't make it retro.

MechWarrior 2
Load up a Nova with lasers, snipe enemy legs, entire game won.

The way you get skills in Front Mission 3 is absolute bullshit.

You can spend hours in the simulator trying to get one skill for someone.

Then you go to get the skill on someone else, and you get it immediately.

Don't grind for skills, the game turns into a joyless slog.

one must fall 2097

only 6 music tracks
non-tournament mode is pointless
haven't played for a month? better start from scratch to build your speed back up

The story is a mess
The battle system tries too hard to be different, and ends up not delivering
There's like, 3-4 towns? And there's barely any change between Home-Another versions of them.
A shitton of characters but you'll always end up using the same 5-6.
They tried to remove grinding by taking out random battles and exp, but the loot you need to grind for to make the best shit completely invalidates that

Seiken Densetsu 3.

It was so bugged, Square was too ashamed to release it in the West ( but it seemed ok for japs standards ). Some stats and mechanics don't work at all ( crits ), and a lot of abilities are broken.

The combat is slower than you'd expect from an action RPG and often consists in mashing A and press B once in a while. You are also very dependent on a dumb as fuck AI, and it's not uncommon to see of of your partners get stuck if any obstacle blocks his path.

Magic is a central part of the game, but it's also completely useless. Offensive magic is utter garbage asides from one specific spell only one character can learn if she has the correct class. This makes a lot of other classes useless.

>>2438753
>>2438770
Try to keep it /vr/

>>2438826
> It was so bugged, Square was too ashamed to release it in the West ( but it seemed ok for japs standards )

Wouldn't there be MORE shame in inflicting a bugged game to Japanese market than releasing it to stupid Western gaijin dogs?

Every system in this game is absolutely arcane and utterly indecipherable, thankfully you don't need a deep understanding of them unless you plan on playing on the harder difficulties

spiderweb's exile series

graphics haven't aged well (though top-down 2D is still better than later isometric remakes). jeff vogel is a fucking jew and doesn't ever sell his games cheap so these still cost 20 bucks each until very recently.

>>2438789
The real struggle is doing the side quests.

Whenever I feel some urge to replay it,I think about the Chocobo Farm and it magically disappears.

Bomberman 64
Trying to 100% it is way too hard for it's own damn good especially for boss fights. Multiplayer isn't as good as its 2D counterparts. Graphics aren't all that. The Masked Trio designs are top tier yet all of them die except Regulus.

bio menace

tfw bought the registered version and the only good episode is the shareware one

>Chrono Cross
>Any flaws

toppest of keks

>>2438846
The best way to go about it is being cool with not doing monotonous parts of the game.

>>2438856
Chrono Cross is the textbook definition of flawed gem.

>>2438730
Rockman
too fucking hard

>>2438730
Resident Evil 2
>It's too fucking easy
>the scenario system would have been left out and the characters could have had simple, specific stories and the game would be about the same. It was fluff, pure and simple
>the final bosses of scenario B are too fucking easy
>a lot fo the game's progression, areas and layouts were basically copied from RE1, or just very closely mimicked.

That's about it. It's an amazing game, and I love it, but those things have annoyed me for years.

>>2438859
I'm too autistic to achieve that. :^(

Also, not fully completing a RPG feels like a waste to me since I will probably not replay it before a couple years. Also sidequests represent a good third of the content in most FF and other Square games.

>>2438859
I'm too autistic to achieve that. :^(

Not fully completing a RPG feels like a waste to me since I will probably not replay it before a couple years. Also sidequests represent a good third of the content in most FFs and other Square games.

Well, it is really simple.
>Sonic 3 & Knuckles
You had to pay 2 games to have the full product.
The first half is the easiest and yet it is the one with a save function, making Sonic 3 without the other half the weakest among the genesis sonic games.
You can't even visit the knuckles only areas without the debug mode or the s&k cart.

Endless tedious inventory managment.
Some skills are completly useless.
Interface is bad.

>>2439021
i tried to think of something bad to say about this game but couldn't

>>2439021
yeah, writing this post hurt my heart.
Interface and inventory troubles are clearly just technical limitations.
Only problem left are the useless skills, but lots of old RPGs have that, so whatever...

>>2438826
>Offensive magic is utter garbage asides from one specific spell only one character can learn if she has the correct class.
There's a useful offensive spell besides Hawkeye's multi-target jutsus?

Final Fantasy Legend II

Taking western-style non-linearity to a whole new level, the first time playing the game is like walking into the oval office as president for the first day, you have no clue WHAT the fuck to do

>>2438826
every game they didn't release in the west was because they're racist fuckers. end of story.

>>2438837
noob, SaGa Frontier probably made you cry.

>>2439664
Different guy, but yes.
There's not holding your hand, and then there's pushing you off a cliff.

>>2439678
Man, that game must have unlocked my inner autist or something because I had no issue. I fucking rocked at 2

Super James Pond
Because it was Super James Pond. Good if you're a masochist but hide it from your friends, it's like them finding gay elder pr0n in your porn stash

Link's Awakening.
Most of the bossfights are utterly pathetic.

Shining Force has a clunky interface and a ton of useless characters you either get to late to be any good, or just never get good period. The story is also fucking juvenile and silly.

>>2439749
>Keep seeing Shining Force called a "must play" on the Genesis
>Succumb to hype and play it
My thoughts exactly.

>>2439678
>>2439689
There's nothing autistic about SaGa Frontier, it's actually the easiest SaGa game. I think that guy was talking about the first one on the Playstation, which is completely open ended and you can fuck yourself hard if you don't know what you're doing.

>>2439678 #
>>2439689 #
There's nothing autistic about SaGa Frontier 2, it's actually the easiest SaGa game. I think that guy was talking about the first one on the Playstation, which is completely open ended and you can fuck yourself hard if you don't know what you're doing.

NOT MY FAVOURITE BUT

Bomberman - WHAT THE FUCK HOW DO YOU EVEN PLAY IT IT'S FUCKING RNG DECIDING IF YOU'RE **PHYSICALLY ABLE** TO FINISH THE STAGE, WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK FUCK FUCK?!!!?

>>2439664
It wasn't a contest to see which game was more complex.

The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past

This game is too easy and there's not enough wandering around for me. The mechanics are so great, but it feels like Zelda for babies

>>2439662
That's an oversimplification, the real reasoning is that they believe the game wouldn't sell enough to justify the localization costs, which is often true seeing as the western jRPG market is and has always been niche as fuck.

Can you really blame them for not wanting to take a gratuitous financial loss just so a random guy on a mongolian cartoon board could play it?

>>2438842
>spiderweb games
mah nigga

Vagrant Story

What the FUCK is this shit about following the fireflies? If you're going to have a maze then don't make every exit a fucking teleporter.

In the same vein, fuck you bonus dungeon, for pulling the same AND disabling the map feature.

Also you didn't do enough to really impress on players that the crafting system is REQUIRED to master in order to actually be good at this game. That fucking silver knife is the worst red herring imaginable for first-time players who don't know it's shit.

Normal and hard mode is too easy.
Flashlight effects on higher difficulties are annoying.
Bosses are too easy, especially with any nukes

>>2439821
nigga bomberman is about that multi tap 4 player sheeeeit

>>2438846
chocobo racing is so fucking comfy though

>>2440161
Breeding them is not.

>All the techs are useless, you're better off just attacking physically
>characters are extremely one-dimensional
>story becomes dumber the longer you think about it
>dozen of endings but replaying it is extremely boring

>>2439782
I mean, it is my favorite game. But it has balance issues.

Crash Bandicoot
Is a nice platrom game, the first levels are pretty easy, but do it without die and take all boxes may be pretty hard (required to reach the final of the game).
Increasing difficulty, very dificult bonus stages, two bonus levels if you win the bonus stages.

>>2439243
>Jutsus
They are good too, but you have to raise a useless stat to learn them.

Angela's Deathspell is the best one.

It's too easy, yet I will never be as good as a speedrunner or some crazy niggas from YouTube.

>>2440306
>All the techs are useless, you're better off just attacking physically

Nigger what? Falcon Strike makes Lavos a 3 minute fight.

>>2440306
>All the techs are useless, you're better off just attacking physically
What the fuck man.

>>2439739
At least the first one is difficult.

Magic system was poorly designed and completely useless.

The story once humans get revived could have been much better. It looses the gravity of the first half of the game. You go from raising continents and terraforming the planet to looking for some spoiled chinese telepath in the desert.

Also <spoiler> Ark doesn't die at the end. It would have been way better if he had just gone to sleep and never woke up. </spoiler>

>>2440331
>Deathspell

Except you need to be higher level than the enemy for it to work. I'm not grinding out those levels. Hell, usually I don't gain enough levels between Pedan and the final boss to even get Deathspell.

>>2440415
Hence 'Most'.
First one is okay. Mid boss level 2 is a legitimate threat unless you've the bow, boss level 2 is also okay.

And I suppose you can fuck up the lvl 3 boss if all you do is swing your sword wildly without regard for when they drop.

The fights after that are just a series of stomps in the player's favour.

Ok, this is gonna be tough.

>slight glitch with reappearing enemy in second level
>the very tight camera when taking down the space shuttle on the 2nd to last level is sometimes annoying

That's all I could struggle to think up.

Submissions are ridiculously overpowered to the point that the MMA fighters and catch wrestlers can win in less than 30 seconds, and the hit detection on the ropes is fucked and doesn't detect wrestlers during moves so they go right through it to the floor if you're too close.

>>2438730
System Shock 2
wait, they ditched the cyberspace system from the original so i have to play minigames to beat the final boss while she shoots at me?
"but there's ICE breakers for that" you say? yes, there's exactly three of them in the entire fucking game, and how was I to know I'd need to save them so the final boss fight doesn't take fifty tries to beat?
oh hey, i didn't put six points into exotic weapons, so i can't hit monsters with a stick, that makes sense
did they run out of money halfway through or something? the early game's all backtracking and the late game's on rails
assault rifle is OP, pls nerf
weapon degradation is OP, pls nerf
psi powers are...not OP, sure the late ones are but you spend the whole game getting your shit pushed in until you can buy them, and then you go through your carefully hoarded psi boosters in an orgy of destruction that invariably plays out before you get to the end of the game

Nethack
I'VE BEEN PLAYING THIS FUCKING GAME SINCE 1992 AND I STILL HAVEN'T BEATEN IT OH MY FUCKING GOD

eternal eyes mappet evolution randomness not mutch strategy required

>>2441521
Do you even keep notes bro? It only took me 2 years and an journal of observations several thousand lines long to ascend.

>>2441521
You don't play Nethack to ascend, you play Nethack so you can dual wield Basilisk corpses.

>>2441574
But, but, me meat swords rotted away!!

>>2438819
dude, that game FUCKING ROCKED! I mastered every possible robot

>>2439662
what do you mean?

>>2439695
At least have the common courtesy to give these faggots a reach around

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KgW2w0FYu0

>>2439790
>There's nothing autistic about SaGa Frontier 2, it's actually the easiest SaGa game
Yes and no, I think, it had a more complicated and open stat/battle system but yeah it was definitely the most linear.

>>2442009
lets see...

>skipped 2-3-4
>released Mystic Quest specifically to shut US fans up instead insulted them
>release an easy and dumbed down version of 4 and call it 2, let the confusion begin
>skip 5, too many tit jokes and a trans character, also too fucking good, fat American devils will riot in the streets, can't have that
>6 is now 3! Also easy mode again!
>THERE WILL NEVER BE A PROPERLY TRANSLATED FINAL FANTASY SEVEN

and that's just FF

>>2442350
Oh, I thought you meant there was content that wouldn't fly on American soil, like bush babies and shit.

I didn't realize there was so much rebalancing between localizations. Also what was so bad about FF7's script that I'm missing out on?

Some stages in SMB have bullet bills flying at you from off camera. This is a cool idea, but in some parts of the stage when you take long jump between platforms a bullet will appear AFTER you've left the ground, and there can be no way for you to slow down without falling to your death so you either fall or just take the hit.

It's some RNG bullshit. It's only in like one, maybe two levels, but still.

>>2442350
>skip 5, too many tit jokes and a trans character
>a crossdressing tomboy = a transsexual

>>2442520
>Grandia

The voice acting is awful in either language, and that's a bad sign. Beginning of the game is plagued with that stupid fetch quest. Tower of Temptation is an awful dungeon most people don't even bother with. They recycled the sprites for many of the bosses. The spin off game did the same thing too. You can't go back to previous areas, ever. You're forced to continue on, so if you missed that all important mana egg then you're fucked. In fact, getting stuck is one of the biggest problems in the game. There are a lot of dungeons that once you're in them you then can't get out again. If you need to train more or buy more items, you just can't do that, and you may well need to start over. You have a limited item slot per character, and you don't have a save point after the first of the final bosses. There's only a storage box. If you didn't stock it up with powerful healing items and SP restoring items earlier in the game then you're more than likely screwed. That's the main problem in Grandia; the game's theme is all about freedom, yet it's one of the most constraint roleplaying games out there.

>>2439946
Agreed, at least link's awakening has better setting, characters, and story.

I know it's not retro, but IMO lttp2 is way better.

>every single racing modification for - and even the racing special version of - the Subaru Impreza - are pic related

>you cannot get the 1967 Corvette or the NB Miata in the simulation mode

>license tests hard as hell - and they are a must, otherwise you're stuck doing spot races with shitty pay

>if you fail to gold the A License, you are locked out from the stock Dodge Copperhead (Concept Car) unless you trade - and even then you cannot sell it

Blaster Master
>2 goddamn continues
>Crazy hard bosses (im looking at you ice lobster and fire frog)
>Americanized story that sucks compared to glorious nippon intergalactic adventure