/vr/ - Retro Games

Night Warriors and Vampire Savior are both good, and they're different enough to stand apart on their own merits. The original Darkstalkers doesn't hold up well, but it has some funny quirks and an odd sort of charm. Savior 2 and Hunter 2 are just shittier versions of Savior. Chronicle is weird and inaccurate to the games it's supposedly representing. It's like if Super Mario All-Stars was just Super Mario Bros. 3 with some bad recreations of Mario 1, LL, and 2 level layouts thrown in as extra worlds.

>>2431380
I think the first game is the most balanced, it's also a bit slower paced which is more my style. I've heard this criticism about it before but I think what people really trying to say is that it doesn't have BB Hood, Q-Bee, and Hsien-Ko.

>>2431521
If you crank it up to its fastest speed setting, the first one can actually be the fastest in the entire series. But I don't think many people tried to play it on that speed. The few times it still gets tournaments they run on the middle speed. I will say that I think the first game has the best presentation in the series. The whole monster move vibe really comes through well in everything. The stages' original color schemes are also a lot better than the Night Warriors recolors.

On the subject of the first Darkstalkers game, here's a video about it released back in the day by Japanese arcade gaming magazine Gamest. Features narration by Demitri's voice actor Nobuyiki Hiyama. There's a similar video for Night Warriors in which Morrigan's voice actress Yayoi Jinguji also joins in on the narration, but it doesn't seem to be view able online anywhere.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvVriNY4mSo

>>2431380

Would you say VS on Saturn is the best to go?, has the Vampire Savior arcade gameplay, and the 3 missing characters from Vampire Hunter.

>>2432517
did it have jedah? If it does, I'm pretty sure it's the definitive version save for loading times

>>2432518

Yeah it has Jedah. But don't all versions of VS do? I think the ones that were missing originally on the arcade were Donovan, Phobos and Pyron, I believe.
Also VS on Saturn uses the 4MB RAM cartidge, it practically has no loading times, unlike Vampire Hunter/Night Warriors

>>2432517
VS jp psone has the most content

>>2432560

Yeah, but unfortunately not that good of a port, so I'm thinking maybe overall Saturn version is the best, with more content than arcade, but still faithful to it in performance.

>>2432545
then go with it. PS1 only has full animation when both players select the same character.

Yes, the Saturn port would be preferable to the PS1 one. As with pretty much any Capcom fighter of that generation.

The PS2 Darkstalkers Collection is also really good. Has accurate ports all 5 of the original arcade releases, plus full 18 character roster versions of all 3 of the Vampire Savior-based titles. Also the first release in which Darkstalkers 1 Huitzil and Pyron were playable without hacking.

>>2431556
Hunh, I always thought the first game even on the fastest setting wasn't that much speedier than SF II Turbo. The fact that there's no real break between rounds in Savior does make it seem like it goes a lot quicker and for some reason just really throws me off.
But my real gripe is that the first game is really the only one where all the characters are more or less balanced. Some of the cast they added in the later games were just broken, Jedah is probably the biggest offender but I dunno characters like Victor an Anakaris only really seemed viable in the first game. Granted I haven't played against a human player in a long ass time, I just really struggled with beating the later games, especially with those two characters, even though Victor is my preferred main and I have no problem clearing the first game with him, but now I'm wondering if it's not just because the first one is the easier game?

>>2432685
>Jedah
Broken as in not working right? Jedah is one of the shittier characters in Savior. Even if you only play vs the AI, his AI is probably the worst and most predictable of them all.

I will say Victor is pretty bad in Savior, but Jedah is only slightly better.

>>2432573
Saturn version was great for the day and for playing for fun, but you wouldn't want to run a tournament using it. It really isn't arcade perfect.
CPS2>MAME>PS360>PS2>Saturn>PS1

Of course if you only care about more content then Chronicle and/or PS2 have the most content, just keep in mind PS2 will run at 480i instead of 240p.

>>2432685
>Jedah is probably the biggest offender
As a Jedah main I can tell you he's one of the shittiest characters, he doesn't even have all that advantage against most characters in the meta, and his supers while being pretty strong are really easy to avoid and leave you wide open for punishment.
Now, Victor on the other hand is a monster if you can get him working right, same with B.B. Hood/Bulleta.

>tfw there's hardly any fanart of my favorite character because Morrigan gets 99% of the attention

For me it's Vampire Saviour, a big roster with many good characters, some of them truly badass like Jedah or Huitzil.
It is also the last great 2D fighting game from CapCom, all the other were just Mugen-like rehashes of CapCom VS Marvel or CapCom VS SNK or CapCom VS Your Mom.
Sadly, there will never, NEVER be a new Darkstalkers game, with new creatures from every folklore, it would sell like cakes, but CapCom prefer to release another RE HD remake instead.

>>2432801
>Jedah not working right

Pretty much, didn't mean to imply 'game breaking' just broke ass, which is sort of how I feel like Victor and some other characters end up as well.

>>2433018
BB Hood I think is probably the most 'broken' in the game breaking sense, but I think the Dark Forces mechanic is one of the other things that makes Savior not as fun IMO

Lei-Lei is mai waifu.

Has the Vampire Hunter location test version been dumped yet?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjTZ_IcQ4Lg

>>2433270
dem torpedo titties
HNNNNNG.hng

>>2432824

What differences are there between Saturn and original arcade?
And why is PS360 version better than PS2 ver?
Also, what about Vampire Chronicles on Dreamcast?

Sorry for so many questions. The only ones I got are PS1 and Saturn. I don't think I'll be getting the original CPS2 board so I'll just keep playing ports but I want to know which is the best.

>>2433380
Saturn version runs at 32px lower resolution so some graphics are slightly different and so is the aspect ratio.

You also have the VS2 characters already there by default. But, I'm pretty sure the rest of the cast plays like in VS1, however (Buletta for sure - she has a huge delay at the start of her combo super in VS2, which is not there in the Saturn game).

Also some voices are lower quality and a few tracks sound slightly different as they were ported to use the Saturn synth instead of streaming audio. This was necessary to keep loading speeds up - the game plays the synth tune already in memory on the character select screen, versus screen, and win quote screens, while it is also loading the game from the disc.

And all of those are just technical differences. I don't know if it has any significant gameplay ones, other than the 3 extra characters being available.

>>2433380
>yfw when Q-Bee's real eyes are the ones on her forehead, and the ones on her face are just a distraction

>>2431380

What I like the most in the first game is the soundtrack, which really tops the sequel's music in any way.

Also posting some Sasquatch.

>>2433292
Not as far as I know. But I do believe that boards still exist, as I have come across references to them on the net within the past few years. Such as this photo from an arcade that was supposedly letting people play one of the location tests boards.

>>2433604
The first game's soundtrack was overall a lot gloomier and low-key. Which fit the whole monster movie theme well. I do like a lot of songs from the following games, but solely in terms of setting mood and atmosphere the first game's soundtrack probably did that the best.

>>2433407
>You also have the VS2 characters already there by default. But, I'm pretty sure the rest of the cast plays like in VS1, however

I thought this was good, I didn't like the changes they did in VS2.

Also, how is the PSP version?

>>2434053
I wonder why did they make her blonde on VH's intro.

>>2434061

Yeah, that's why I like DS1 soundtrack so much.

In regards to the sequels, I think in terms of setting mode and atmosphere for a monster-themed game Concrete Cave and Forever Torment did a good job in that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7acUVBKu90

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO24iVGelew

Related (Not just to this thread but /vr/)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zgfxs9gVCKc

I like playing as Lei Lei. Favorite designs are probably Lord Raptor, Jedah, and Rikuo.

>>2434459

I like Agony of War.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIVGLUZcgWI

I really need to listen to 1 and 2's OSTs more. or play them more often.

>>2434458
The PSP version is the same as the Dreamcast version. It's sort of like Hyper Street Fighter 2 in that you can pick modes based on each game, but said modes don't actually recreate the source games all that well. Even the Vampire Savior mode characters have a lot of inaccuracies.
>I wonder why did they make her blonde on VH's intro.
I think it was part of the whole recolor thing Capcom occasionally did to signify updates of games' Like how in Super Turbo Ryu's default color became black with yellow headband. everyone's default color became different in VH/NW, and that even carried over to their win portraits. I guess they decided to do the same thing with Morrigan in the intro, but it ends up looking odd for two reasons: One, everyone else in the intro is using their original colors. And two, that isn't even her new default color, it's one of the other alternates.

>>2433380
PS2 has more delay in versus, but less delay in training, considering this is a fighting game versus is more important. It has more content, but few people play DS1, VH2, and VS2. PS360 also has GGPO online which is always a plus. The training in mode in both is the best addition, since proper training modes for VS and VH aren't that easy to find. You get some features with PS360 that you don't get with PS2 and vice versa. You can also get a script for MAME to have a training mode, but that gives you different features than the console versions would.

>>2435624

So on PS360 version I can play with Vampire Savior 1 gameplay while also use the 3 characters from VH?

>>2435630
No, Resurrection's Savior is the original arcade version.

>>2435802

So, Saturn's Vampire Savior would be the best way to play VS1 with the 3 added characters? Correct?
I might still get Resurrection for the training mode and online. Is the japanese version of it physical or it's just a plastic case with a DL code?

>>2435825
The Japanese case version is a physical disc. Japan didn't get a download version until some time after said discs sold out.

>>2435825
PS2 would be the best way to do that. The issue here is you aren't getting 240p out of that. Saturn will look nicer on a CRT even if less accurate.

Most people that are big on playing VSav care more about arcade accuracy than the extra 3 characters.

If you want the training mode either PS2 or Resurrection will do. You can also get a decent MAME training mode, but it won't be as fully featured as the console versions. For online just play on Fightcade. There are more people there than on Resurrection.

>>2435838

So according to >>2433407 most of the differences are audio-related, and also mentions that the graphics and asp. ratio are slightly different. However, you can change between saturn mode and arcade mode screen, so not sure.
But then, PS2 can't output 240p.

When you say accurate you refer to the gameplay?

>>2435837

So they sold out. Are they expensive nowdays?

>>2432824
>480i instead of 240p
It's my understanding that you can use a hex-editor to make the games run at 240p, menus are still in 480i though.
I haven't attempted this yet, but there's a list of PS2 compilations of older games you can do this with floating around on the psx-scene forums.

>>2435837
For some reason Capcom has a habit of releasing physical disc versions of games in Japan that they released digitally only everywhere else.

I really want to get ahold of the limited edition versions of Strider Hiryu and Dungeons & Dragons one of these days.

>>2435927
I do mean gameplay. I don't know the specifics, but I remember reading the Saturn version isn't acceptable for competitive play.
>>2435964
I'm not familiar with how hex editing works. I imagine you need your PS2 to be soft modded at minimum.

>>2435975
I think the Japanese market still has the common sense to resist buying digital.

>>2435989
Bare minimum you'd need a swap disc and a DVD-R

Honestly I really want to try this, but I still need to buy a PS RGB cable

>>2435989
>I do mean gameplay. I don't know the specifics, but I remember reading the Saturn version isn't acceptable for competitive play.

Well, reading some wikis around I think they just mean VS on Saturn became obsolete because the PS2 and PS360 versions came out and have more content I guess. But then I'm also reading these versions have input lag and also the whole 240p/480i issue.
I wonder if there is any actual inaccuracy on the Saturn version, as far as I can tell from playing it and the original on mame, I can't notice the difference in gameplay. I can when I play VS2, but I prefer 1.
What version is the most played online? 1 or 2?

>>2436062
But Resurrection actually has less content. Vsav there only has the Arcade characters, not the old characters like the Saturn version. When it comes to competitive standards, arcade accuracy>content.

I trust what the fighting game people have to say about this stuff. They take accuracy and performance pretty seriously.

>What version is the most played online? 1 or 2?

VS is far more popular than VS2. VS2 doesn't even come in Resurrection. If I were you I would just play VS on Fightcade. If you have an older ATI graphics card you can use CRT EmuDriver to get it to output the correct resolution. Would look really nice on something like a PVM, and you get the added bonus of modern netplay.

>>2436070

I think by extra content they meant training modes and online play, yeah the Saturn has the 3 extra chars + Shadow, and the PS1 even got another extra character, marionette, but PS1 is the less accurate of the bunch, with missing animation frames and all. I still haven't come across any information regarding differences between Saturn and arcade gameplay-wise, as I said to me it plays just like VS1 on mame, but I might be missing stuff since I'm not a pro at this and I only play a few characters.

>>2436070
>VS is far more popular than VS2.
Looking back without context it's easy to think Savior 2 and Hunter 2 were just another one of Capcom's slightly-tweaked fighting rehashes. But the primary player base in Japan had a very, very bad reaction to it at the time. The split roster deal was bad enough, let alone all the "rebalancing" that just made everything worse. Not even bringing back the 3 previously-dropped characters was enough to hold people's interest. Then there's the fact that you had a good number of people who preferred Hunter to Savior. When they heard that a "Vampire Hunter 2" was coming out, obviously they got excited. Then were summarily disappointed when they found that it was just a shittier version of Savior with a slightly different roster. To this day, long-term Japanese players of the series still view Savior 2 and Hunter 2 with disdain. Many of them even credit those titles with killing the series (and they might have a point, given that every release since then has been some sort of port of the previous games).

>>2433604
>>2434061

I've been listening to the DS1 soundtrack since I haven't played that game too much, and I agree, the soundtrack on the first game feels gloomier.
All the tracks feel like dance remixes of their original counterparts on Vampire Hunter.
I especially loved Demitri and Victor's themes on DS1.

And also, that reminds me on Tatsunoko vs Capcom's original japanese release, Morrigan (or rather her stage, the Aensland castle) got also a remix of her theme, but in the american version "ultimate all-stars" where they remade all the music, her stage got a nice gothic tune with harpsichord that actually sounds like it'd fir on DS1's soundtrack
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqOGuQ1CQq0

>>2437483

>>2438224
I have the Huitzil keychain. Huitzil is my #1 favorite.

Remember when Capcom tried to con people into buying SFxT if they wanted a new Darkstalkers game?

Then they made Darkstalkers Resurrection and no one bought it because it was nothing but a fucking lazy ass HD port?

Fuck Capcom.

>>2438843
Hello bitter former capcom fan.

>>2438843
CAPCOM CAME AND TOOK MY BAYYYYBEEEEEE

capcom is hitler

>>2438871
>Capcom is Josef Stalin
FTFY

>>2438832
Nice. Huitzil's one of my favorites, I love his animations.
>>2438843
Capcom just really went downhill during the latter half of last gen. Seems to be happening to all the old Japanese gaming companies.

>>2431363
Vampire Savior if my favorite, Hunter is also pretty good but its a little more broken and finding players for it is hard.

Obviously arcade versions of both games.

the first game had the best music though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKGktfX1ioQ

>>2432517
Saturn version was a horrible port its missing loads of frames and is buggy.

>>2433468
Wrong, bees have 4/5 eyes 2 large compound eyes and 2/3 smaller ocelli eyes, all of her eyes are real, even the art book for the game says the same thing.

Stop trying to spread your shitty fanfiction and pass it off as canon.

>>2440339

Source?

>>2440345
http://capcom.wikia.com/wiki/Q-Bee

>The "eyes" on her face aren't actually eyes at all. They're there for no other reason than to make her look more human. The large orb like things seen in her hair are actually her real eyes. This explains why she often leans or droops her head while in battle.

for you

>>2438843
>Remember when Capcom tried to con people into buying SFxT if they wanted a new Darkstalkers game
That never happened at all.

Darkstalkers Resurrection was to test people interest in a new Darkstalkers game and it bombed.

>>2440353
>wiki
lmao

Meanwhile the games OFFICIAL art book says her small eyes are ocelli

On a scale to 1-10 how BTFO are you right now?

>>2440370
beyond #rekt

>>2440370
I guess I'll have to trust you that that's what it says there. :^)

>>2440395
It says "Gigan: Tangan no yakume wo suru. hikari no arunash wo shiru."
"False eyes: Perform the function of simple eyes. Can sense the presence or lack of light." So basically they're both. They're simple eyes, but they're positioned on her face in such a way as to mimic a humanoid face.
>>2440357
It did. Ever since Super SF4 they've been saying "maybe we can make a new Darkstalkers if this game sells".

>>2440357
>bombed
Discs selling out and digital release making it to the top 10 list sounds alright for a port of some nearly 2 decade old games.

>>2440491

A-are there more?

>>2440494

Apparently the devs wanted its selling numbers were much more than they expected.

It sold well but didn't reach the numbers they wanted so they chose to drop the sequel idea.

>>2440892
That was just a single page scan I found somewhere, but I might have a fairly complete scan of All About Vampire Savior I found somewhere else. I'll check in a bit.

>>2441014
I checked and that page is from the Secret File flyer, which can be viewed in full here: http://flyers.arcade-museum.com/?page=thumbs&db=videodb&id=2043

I did find the scans of All About Vampire Savior I mentioned earlier and am currently uploading them. It's missing the last ~100 pages though, which seems to be where most of the "fluff" material is (story notes, sheet music, etc.)

>>2441091

That's amazing anon, much obliged.

Here are the All About Vampire Savior scans: http://www.sp**dyshare.com/Bjer5/ALL-ABOUT-Vampire-Savior.rar

sp**dy = speedy

>>2441139

thanks for the link anon

Some footage from a recent tournament (order goes bottom up) (http://www.nicozon.net/mylist/50168765 The winning team included the author of the manga High Score Girl, who is a long-time Huitzil player. Hutzil even makes appearances in High Score Girl and Pico Pico Shounen, another manga authored by him.