/vr/ - Retro Games

>>2428874
1980-1982 is widely recognized as "The Golden Age of Video Games" for a reason.

>>2428874
In terms of the Quality of games I totally agree with you, OP, at least regarding the "big" games. Some devoted indie developers still make some good stuff.

I have no opinion on games made in the new millennium because this is /vr/

>>2428916
This. People seem to think whatever games they played as a kid are the "golden age". Not aware that it actually has an accepted definition like the golden ages of comics and animation do.

>>2428916
>>2429036
Sort of yes, sort of no. While that era is called the "golden age" for a reason, I think it's more similar to comics and animation where it's more called that because of the era than a specific statement of the quality of the era.

The early 80's was also when I started gaming and there certainly were many amazing games back then. But there were also a lot of shit ones. The reality is that that's how games have always been, mostly mediocre with a few shining jewels.

If we were to talk about a "golden age" in terms of when a lot of great games are being made I would honestly say we're in it now. Not everything appeals to every gamer, but that's exactly what I think makes it so great. There are games that appeal to everyone being made these days.

>>2428874
Everything in this thread is bullshit.

The only golden age of video games was whenever you were young and impressionable. Your OP image may as well be a chart of "how old I was when I liked things the most."

>>2428874
An age is the sum of all ages before it. The present is always the best time, since it has all of the elements of the past contained in it.

>>2429101

Well, comics and animation of the "golden age" were generally of a high quality, or rather they were more artisan. Also, comics were at their peak back then in terms of popularity. Like you said, it does refer to an era, but the era can still have characteristics.

>>2429139
>I wasn't born at the right time
Sorry brah, you can still play those games though, so no need to get salty

the fuck is this
How are you quantifying that unlabeled Y axis

Most old games were shit though

The problem with modern gaming is that most big games are average at best, filled with retarded DLC and "achievements".
Videogames got popular before because they tried a new concept or were just great compared to the competition.

Now AAA games are okay, but they tend to feel samey because companies tend to be scared to try new stuff, combine this with some practices like pre order DLC that makes players be gods in day one, awful "free to play" implementations.
However, i think the lack of creativity is more prominent in the west though because usually new japanese games feel way more creative (this is my opinion though).

The problem with this industry is that it got popular too fast and now people who produce them are scared of losing money.

>>2429036
>>2429139
>This. People seem to think whatever games they played as a kid are the "golden age".
This is fucking retarded and needs to stop being parroted.

Golden age is 1st to 5thgen for consoles.

The thought that only games you played as a kid are golden age is fucking retarded.

>>2429628
There are still people that cry about achievements in games? What is it, 2007?

>>2429724
Not him but achievements are a terrible system. Really kill a game for me if they're forced.

>>2429731
When do games force achievements? The whole point is that they give you new objectives to go after if you want, or you can completely ignore them. Not many people would do the gravity gun only run of ravenholm or send the garden gnome to the moon on their first playthrough of half life 2, but for subsequent playthroughs they're a fun way to get more out of the game

>>2428874

Sort of OP.

I don't think games have declined in quality, i think it's more of a plateau.

Theirs a bunch of shit things that fuck up modern gaming, like DLC and subscriptions to use all the games content, but the actual quality is always improving. The largest improvements were made during the mid to late 90's then the leaps in quality got smaller and smaller.

>>2429036
I don't think this is true at all. I've been playing games since I was 3 on an old Sinclair spectrum, I've had every console except the Jaguar. The golden age was in the 90's. Trust me. We've never seen such a massive improvement in games. We went from 2D sprites and MIDI music to full 3D and music created by orchestras and bands.

>>2429537
Factorial content... duh.

>>2429537
I tried to read that graph and it caused me physical pain.

> The golden age means the quality was the highest
Niggers please. OPs graph is pretty accurate except it doesn't stay early enough, it doesn't give enough credit to early games and it doesn't show a dip around 1982-83.

My personal ratings or of 100 for all years I remember
1980: 70
1981: 65
1982: 60
1983: 50
1984: 40
1985: 40
1986: 70
1987: 80
1988: 85
1989: 90
1990: 90
1991: 85
1992: 85
1993: 80
1994: 75
1995: 85
1996: 90
1997: 95
1998: 100
1999: 95
2000: 90
2001: 90
2002: 85
2003: 80
2004: 75
2005: 75
2006: 70
2007: 70
2008: 70
2009: 75
2010: 75
2011: 70
2012: 80
2013: 75
2014: 75
2015: TBD

Is not fair to say gaming in any recent rear is as shit as gaming was in 1985.

>>2428874
Explain the graph please.

What is the Y axis? What does the green line mean?

>>2429741
>The whole point is that they give you new objectives to go after if you want
Bullshit like die from a cliff is fucking retarded.

Shit like in Sly Cooper with its "master thief sprints" added nothing to the game.

>When do games force achievements?
People play xbox games specifically for achievements.

>>2428874
what the hell is the y axis representing? state of happiness in numbers?

>>2429508
you're an idiot

>>2428916
>Before the release of the Famicom

>>2428874
I'd say the Golden Age was 1992-2004. So many good bloody games.

>>2429759
you went through the trouble for something that no one is going to look at

>>2430629
NES/Famicom destroyed gaming forever

>>2429514
>Well, comics and animation of the "golden age" were generally of a high quality,

No they weren't. There were a few shining gems that stood the test of time, but the vast bulk of golden age comics were trash thrown together for 8 years olds that are almost completely unreadable today.

>>2430629
What, you think there were no good games before it or something?

>>2430950
Hello, assmad Atari fanboy.

>>2431183
I find it telling that you try to frame it as a console war thing forgetting these things called arcades once existed.

>>2430632
It was a lot easier than making a graph

>>2431316
Arcades were able to survive the crash. They were around up until the early 2000's in the west.

>>2431316
I find it telling that someone took an obvious silly joke comment like "NES/Famicom destroyed gaming forever" and thought it was a serious statement.

Things have really gone to shit. DRM, DLC, microtransactions, early access, mobile games taken seriously, shady Kickstarters, unprecedented amounts of game cloning, achievements, "art games," "social justice," 90% of games journalists and mainstream media waging open war on gamers and the industry, DEVELOPERS waging open war on gamers and the industry, shills everywhere, publishers fire everyone all the time, Steam has too much power and will truly fuck everyone over one day... am I forgetting anything?

That red line is just going to keep going down.

>>2431465
I totally disagree, there are still great games being made. But there is also such a volume of games coming out these days that you really have to know what you want.

DRM makes sense because piracy got seriously out of hand.

DLC can be great when done well and isn't just cut content. Finding a game you love and then having more of it available is great.

There's nothing wrong with mobile games. They're just mostly made for casual gamers. There's also nothing wrong with someone who wants to play games casually

Shady Kickstarters will eventually become known and fail. That's all good.

Game cloning has always been rampant.

Achievements are also a good way to add more reasons to play a game you really like in different ways.

Just because you don't like art games, doesn't mean other people don't. Complaining that not every single game was designed with you personally in mind is childish beyond measure.


If you seriously can't look around and find new games being made these days that you enjoy, then I can confidently say that you don't like video games very much in general.

I still like modern Nintendo games.

>>2431486
Different anon but I agree with the first guy on most the stuff.
>DRM makes sense because piracy got seriously out of hand.
When?

>DLC can be great when done well and isn't just cut content. Finding a game you love and then having more of it available is great.
99.99% of games have shit DLC. It's trash.

>There's nothing wrong with mobile games. They're just mostly made for casual gamers. There's also nothing wrong with someone who wants to play games casually
Mobile games are cash grabs. Let me guess you'll tell me those Tiger Electronics games are good too? Same shit.

>Shady Kickstarters will eventually become known and fail. That's all good.
Nope

>Game cloning has always been rampant.
What?

>Achievements are also a good way to add more reasons to play a game you really like in different ways.
No they aren't. They're a way to change gameplay from actual gameplay to simon says or a grind.

>Just because you don't like art games, doesn't mean other people don't. Complaining that not every single game was designed with you personally in mind is childish beyond measure.
Not sure what either of you are talking about with art games.

>If you seriously can't look around and find new games being made these days that you enjoy, then I can confidently say that you don't like video games very much in general.
This really needs to stop.
It used to be if you buy a Player's choice game you got a good game.
You buy a top selling game now and you get CoD.

Just because you can find a gem in a giant mound of trash that is modern gaming, doesn't mean modern gaming is good.

1985-1995 were the best years of gaming. Before the mad rush into 3D and CG cutscenes.

>>2431552
>When?
Like you really need to ask.

>99.99% of games have shit DLC. It's trash.
Hyperbole out the ass.

>Mobile games are cash grabs. Let me guess you'll tell me those Tiger Electronics games are good too? Same shit.
Most moblie games are completely free which is how the majority of people play them. Some of the Tiger games weren't bad for their time. They weren't complex enough for me, but my mom played the hell out of baseball on one of those things which is exactly my point about causal games and gamers.

>What?
The whole history of video games is something like Mario (or DQ, Tetris etc) coming along, getting incredibly popular and then other companies iterating on that idea.

>No they aren't. They're a way to change gameplay from actual gameplay to simon says or a grind.
Now I'm just convinced you don't play modern games at all. You have no idea what you're talking about.

>This really needs to stop.
>You buy a top selling game now and you get CoD.

Yeah, because CoD sells like hotcakes to teenagers. But that doesn't mean that it's the only game or the game you have to play. The same way that I'm sure the music and movies that appeal most to teenagers these days also don't appeal to you.

All you're doing is complaining that you're not the main target for game developers now. But hey, if you want to bury your head in the sand and have tantrums on the internet that there are no good games, then don't let me stop you. I'm too busy enjoying the hell out of those gems that you can't be bothered to look for. :)

>>2431552
So, "nuh-uh!", then.

>>2431586
>people who enjoy video games are not the main target for developers
This is precisely the problem.

>>2431596
I hate to break it too you, but all those kids who buy and play the fuck out of Call of Duty are enjoying it too. They make games for many different kinds of gamers now. Unless you're a complete asshole and want to be the only one allowed to have good games, I fail to see how this is a problem at all.

Also, I fucking love games and have for almost 40 years now. I can confidently and happily say there are still plenty of ones being made that appeal to me as well. I'm just not bent out of shape that someone who isn't me wants to play something different.

But again, don't let me stop you from your bitching! It never ceases to amuse me to see you act like a spoiled child and call everyone else kids.

>>2431614
>Unless you're a complete asshole and want to be the only one allowed to have good games, I fail to see how this is a problem at all.

Not that anon, but it's more a question of the industry catering specifically for a target demographic that has very low standards. That didn't used to be the case. There's a commercialisation process running rampant across the industry and nobody gives a fuck because they're just not that picky.

Stagnation and homogenisation is setting in in a fairly major way.

I personally think there's plenty of space for CoD style games, it's just that that paradigm shouldn't dominate. But it does.

>>2431586
>Like you really need to ask.
When had piracy ever been such an issue for console games?

>Hyperbole out the ass.
Name 5 different games with DLC "done right"

>The whole history of video games is something like Mario (or DQ, Tetris etc) coming along, getting incredibly popular and then other companies iterating on that idea.
You mean like all the shit shooters out now?

That's a big difference. Those shooters are imitating PC games.
They also COMPLETELY dominate the market like no genre has before.

Ignoring Kinect, 360 and PS3 had shooters as their top 10 selling games.

>Now I'm just convinced you don't play modern games at all. You have no idea what you're talking about.
I don't very much. They're trash and achievement garbage is one of the reasons.

>All you're doing is complaining that you're not the main target for game developers now. But hey, if you want to bury your head in the sand and have tantrums on the internet that there are no good games, then don't let me stop you. I'm too busy enjoying the hell out of those gems that you can't be bothered to look for. :)
I'm glad I'm not the main target of shit like CoD.

Have fun with our shit kid and ruining the video game market buy supporting shit practices.

I have fun actually enjoying games.

>>2431614
Why are people not allowed to complain?

Imagine if intricate model cars were replaced with Lego.
Imagine if beautiful model train sets were replaced with Thomas the Tank Engine.

Of course it's going to rub people the wrong way. Then again, you're on a pretty high horse, so I'm pissing in the wind at this point.

Also, that wasn't me.

>>2431654
Not him byt
>Name 5 different games with DLC "done right"

Dark Souls, Dishonoured, Far Cry 3, Fallout 3 and New Vegas, Bioshock Infinite. No matter what you think of those games, the DLC not only provided a decent amount of new content but also unique/improved experiences.

>>2431663
The model cars are still there, and so are the model train sets. The fact that more people buy legos and thomas the tank engine figures shouldn't matter much to you because you can always enjoy those model cars and train sets.

I think somewhere shortly after 2009 is when quality started to tank. I'm not at all a "older is better" guy when it comes to things in general, but video games as a whole seem to be in a really shitty spot right now.

>>2431668

>The model cars are still there, and so are the model train sets.
Except now they're a fraction of the development budget and attention that the lego has. There's less of them, and features and new developments tend to be highly focused on the crappier product, to the point of comprimising the intricate stuff for the sake of mass-market appeal.

Honestly, if anything I'd say it's almost the other way around. We HAD lego. Now we have happy meal toys.

>>2431586
>Most moblie games are completely free which is how the majority of people play them.

I wouldn't call mobile games with ads "completely free".

>>2431674
>Except now they're a fraction of the development budget

They never had the budgets lego has now in the first place because they didn't appeal to as wide of a market as lego did.

>There's less of them

Not really. Some car models get more attention than others but overall there aren't less of them being made. Also mass market appeal is for the legos, not for the model cars.

>>2431665
>Dark Souls
Released broken
Season pass
DLC basically on release

Ya that's about as bad as DLC gets.
>Dishonoured
Pre order exclusive DLC
Shit
>Far Cry 3
Released broken
Pre order exclusive DLC
Oh surprising another shit DLC. Do any of the games you listed have good DLC?

>Fallout 3 and New Vegas
Released broken
Oh and what a surprise! Pre order exclusive DLC

>Bioshock Infinite
released borken
DAY FUCKING 1 SEASON PASS

You can't even name 5 games with decent DLC. You gave me a list of the some of worst contributes instead.

You're so blinded by modern gaming shit that you're a zombie. Just keep on paying for that shit.


Fucking retard. Thanks for proving modern gaming is shit.

>>2431687
Jesus christ. Go back to /v/.

>>2431694
Sorry kid. The games you linked are some of the best examples of shit DLC.

>>2431697
I really don't care what your personal opinion of those DLCs are. Fact is they added a very good amount of content for the price, along with many improvements. I don't know why you'd even bother typing out that post that says pretty much nothing.

>>2431701
Man I can only dream of having a company where retards like you will buy my shit regardless of quality and even pay months in advance with out knowing what I'll give them.

>>2431663
>Why are people not allowed to complain?

Not that anon, but I don't think it's that much about complaining about the games itself but rather the person who buys the games feels insecure about his purchases. It happens with every product or service, not just games. You attack their world view or whatever and they have to defend it out of insecurity. When they can't come up with any good arguments they attack you with ad hominems.

>>2431694
>if you prefer older games to newer games then you belong on /v/ instead of /vr/

>>2431712
Did you see his post? It's the prime example of shitposting. It doesn't matter if the DLC add enough content to be on par with the better expansion packs while being cheaper, what matters more is when they were announced.

>>2431716
>It's the prime example of shitposting.
Not supporting day 1 dlc?
Not supporting exclusive dlc?

That's shitposting?

>>2431720
No, blatantly lying, ignoring the amount of content and quality and having arguments that amount to "lol its shit" is.

>>2431701
>He's still okay with this bad practice

Here's what you should have said:
Mario Kart 8, Sm4sh, Phantom Breaker Battle Grounds, and then you should have walked away knowing you couldn't prove yourself right.

>>2431727
Oh so if you like it than it's ok. I see.

>>2431730
>Phantom Breaker Battle Grounds

Wow, an extra character in a game already filled with samey characters and the fucking soundtrack. Love it.

>>2431734
Adding beat 'em up characters isn't as easy as adding racing characters. Especially if it's a licensed character.

Plus, they're adding online mode, you dip

>>2428916
The time when I was a kid was my golden age of gaming. PERIOD! (early 90's btw)

>>2431736
>Adding beat 'em up characters isn't as easy as adding racing characters

It is when all the characters play the same way with some different moves and slight animations. Also, they're actually planning to sell the online mode? That's more acceptable to you than fucking Blood Dragon?

>>2431740
They're not selling it, they're adding it for free

>>2431736
>you dip

>>2431742
Then it's not a DLC then, is it now. Did you just bring up the game because it's obscure?

>>2431746
>Then it's not a DLC then
Do you know what DLC stands for?

>>2431760
Don't play this semantics game, you know very well what I mean.

>>2431762
embarrassing

>>2431767
I'm happy that even though you were talking complete shit, you still found a way to feel good about yourself in the end.

Man /vr/ has gone to shit recently.

You're living in the golden age.
Theres more games then ever. Its not like suddenly you cannot play games from 1985 or 1997 anymore.

Everything is available, and its becoming easier and easier with Steam releasing old games, and the VC's and PSN releasing classics. Not to mention emulators, and the availability of flash carts (something that simply did not exist pre-2000's)

Theres good games that are coming out now, and if you don't think so you're probably just some kid whos closeted as fuck who is holding onto his nostalgia to be a special snowflake.

You can play SNES on your fucking phone for christ sake.

>>2431668
>>2431674
You niggers don't know shit about model train sets.

Model trainsets are still popular as fuck.Mostly for middle aged men, but still.

>>2431773
Don't care about emulation.
Only reason I have a flashcart is because of game prices. Otherwise I'd just have multiples of games I care about.
>You can play SNES on your fucking phone for christ sake.
Like shit.

None of that makes up for state of modern gaming.

>>2431782
>the state of modern gaming
Did you play the Witcher 3?
How about Bloodborne?

Hell, despite being incredibly similar to other games in the series, Assassins Creed Unity is actually really fun and a technical marvel (obviously had some kinks at release that got worked out)


Everyone just states "Modern gaming sucks". Its not like the ratio of Great games to Shit ones has increased, its just that we have way more ways of telling each other. Everyones a fucking game critic now. It used to be you were lucky if you got a Nintendo Power or something when you were a kid to find out if a game was going to be good or shit, now you can look up gameplay months before the games even released.

>>2431773
>/vr/ has gone to shit because all /vr/ wants to talk about is retro video games

2/10, made me reply.

>>2431782
>Don't care about emulation.
Yeah right. How do you play your arcade games then?

>>2431787
Don't support online pay walls. Will probably never own a PS4 or XBone.
>>2431797
I don't unfortunately, except for the few ports that made it on console.
The lag is a bitch. I know there are ways to minimize it but it's far too much trouble for me. I already spend a lot of hours repairing and restoring old consoles and games.

>>2431802
>Will probably never own a PS4 or Xbone
I hope you miss out on a shitload of great games then. You don't have to pay for online to enjoy the games genius.

>>2431807
I get a gimped experience then. PS4 is like $400 and a lot of the games have some kind of online component.

And neither of the two really have any exclusives I care about. Doubt they'll either get any good platformers too.

>>2431810
I can't even think of any celebrated platformers made after Prince of Persia and Jak & Daxter.

>>2431807
>I hope you miss out on a shitload of great games then
such as?

>>2431813
I'm not that big a fan of the PS2 platformers. Not bad games just not that great imo.
No idea about any of the shit on PS3.

And if a good platformer did come out. Chances are it's gonna release broken or have some DLC bullshit.

Modern gaming sure has made me jaded as fuck.

Dunno, recently, I play Galactiv Civ 3, Invisible INC., Not a Hero, Project Cars, Dead Synchronicity, Witcher 3, Chroma Squad, Kerbal Space Program, Verdun, Crypt of the Necrodancer, Pillars of Eternity, etc.

>>2431816
Theres not much right now, but the potential for a lot of great exclusives is pretty damn high.

>>2431826
any machine have potential.

My feelings are that, ironically the worse thing that could happen to the gaming industry was that it got too massive and started making too much money... When you go down that path the only thing that is important is making even more money... so you have to aim for extremely casual audiences and keep the sponsors happy. What about the quality of a really good story, what about ellaborate content...

There're probably good games out there, but they're hard to find in all this mess. Let's take /v/ as a small expample: if you abstract yourself of all the trolling/shitposting, you'll still get to the conclussion that gamers and the gaming industry lost the spirit they once had.

Look at a game series such as Diablo... the last game can be fun, and personally I've played it a lot, but it's basically a flashy slot machine, nothing wrong with slot machines btw.