/vr/ - Retro Games

>>2428795
Well it's not Rad Gravity but it's fine I guess

Deserves all the praise it gets.

The biggest criticism of the DKC games is that it's style over substance, but I feel like that's something only people who haven't played it say. Yes, the ad campaigns were centered around the sweet grafix, but it also had the gameplay to back it up.

It's pretty good, the game manages to ease you into it but then keeps increasing the difficulty that a lot of games don't do anymore

But the Cult of Icycalm called DKC "the beginning of inanity for platformers."

>>2428821
I played all three of them and I share that exact criticism. I enjoyed them all, even 3, but the graphics and music are the main stars of the show. The gameplay is very shallow and the platforming is pretty imprecise.

On another note, the DKCR games are infinitely better than any of the DKC games.

The only platformer I like. Beats Mario and shit like that by a mile. And I wasn't wowed by the graphics due to the fact I first played it in like 2005.

>>2428887
Tropical Freeze is awesome and I can give credit where it's due, putting it on equal terms with the original DKC and DKC3 (though 3 has a special place in my heart for being one of the first games I learned how to speedrun) however there's no way in hell I would play DKCR over the original three.

>>2428795
Eh.

>>2428795
I started playing the first DKC.
It's alright I guess.
Good music.

>>2428885
No doubt this might seem like a valuable arguments for two or three people.

>>2428821
>>2428887

That's the sort of conveniently believeable claim that people would rather not spoil with any actual argumentation, lest they miss an opportunity for instant "serious gamer" self validation.

Since it's a mainstream game with unusually high production values, it MUST be shallow tripe! Were it a modern indie retro-style platformer, it would be a minimalistic, rollercoaster-like sublimation of classic platformer functional tropes.

If you're to claim stating an opinion constitutes criticism, maybe you should not rely on random words carrying any meaning on the sole apparent basis of your willingness to use them. Is the gameplay shallow because there are no real items of powerups? Because the level design is based on core gimmicks and linear obstacle escalation instead of exploration? Is the platforming imprecise because the maps are not obviously built with blocks? Is it that you judge a fast-paced game based on broad momentum, reflexes and memorization principles should be implemented through pixel perfect obstacle display instead of error threshold tweaking? Dude, make a case; it's healthier for you and more fun for everybody.

DKC3 is pretty meh, tho.

Too easy
Boss fights are shit (besides final boss)

Would be a 6/10 without David Wise's music.

DKC2 > DKC1 > DKC3
I like all three games, but 2 is just amazing. The boss fights are pretty lousy though, but at least they're better than the boss fights from DKC1.

The soundtrack is fucking great. Probably my favorite video game soundtrack ever. Nothing beats Aquatic Ambiance from DKC1 but the soundtrack overall is better and more memorable than the one from the other DKC games.
>Stickerbrush Symphony
>Lockjaws Saga
>Mining Melancholy
>Bayou Boogie
>Disco Train
>Krook's March
>Pretty much everything else too
Based Rareware.

>>2428795
I did find a little disappointing there's no basic handling difference between the characters (I know there IS, I just miss the intuitive visual cue in the character size.

Plus they both dress like pornstars.

>>2428962
DKC3 is...An acquired taste.

Interestingly, it's a game that I find plenty of non-Donkey Kong fans tend to enjoy, whether it's the different art direction or clever obstacle level design (some naysayers would argue "gimmicks")

All things considered, it's a very SMART sequel. DKC2 hit it's landmark perfectly, so how could you possibly live up to it? You don't, instead you create your own identity. A new atmosphere, new headlining animal buddies, new camp-like music, new exceptionally crazy enemy designs, a hub world styled map based on item collection, and the air of the game itself felt less perilous than something like DKC2, which encouraged, and allowed for more amusing interaction between different characters in the world of DKC3, since for a SNES game it was surprisingly talkative. Even the ending itself was pretty funny.

Also I thought it was cool that they made Dixie the main star of DKC3, it goes back to the point of it's own identity, but it also solidified Dixie as a legitimate Donkey Kong/video game character, enough to come back in the later DK games like Tropical Freeze (sucks that she didn't make it in DK64 or the Smash games, she was always my favorite DK character)

Great music.

Ugly as sin.

Mediocre gameplay.

It's okay.

>>2429001
I'll let you have "mediocre gameplay" since I don't expect DKC to mechanically appeal to everybody, but I never understood
>Ugly as sin

I discovered SNES gaming through a later life (I was white trash so I only owned a Genesis) and games like Star Fox and Super Mario RPG were 100x uglier.

Honestly, it wasn't until I discovered 4chan that there was some stigma against DKC being ugly, I always loved the backdrops and level transitions in places like Jungle Hijinx. It was a very magical experience.

>tfw Hot Head Bop
>tfw K Rool battle
>tfw Funky the Main Monkey
>tfw Mining Melancholy
>tfw Video Games Live played Donkey Kong Country (especially at 3:46)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfyAxdJWu4Y&hd=1

>>2429046
What the fuck, my Video Games Live didn't play any DKC.

Just curious, what are the 5% of "modern platformers" that it doesn't beat?

I have come to love the challenge of the DKC games hidden bonus barrels. Where you really get to sharpen your skills. And finding all of those barrels in 2 is a pretty good challenge. The DK coins are only moderately difficult, but fuck the one that is on the end of level barrel, I miss time it and I have to do the whole level again.
It's a ton of fun finding all of the bonus barrels. That is what really complements the level design of these games.

>>2429080
In regards to the DKCR series, they really flubbed the Bonus rooms. There's hardly any variety. An otherwise perfect game like Tropical Freeze has a few detractors in that regard.

>>2428962
One of the best comments I've ever read on /vr/

>>2428992
God, I just love how the manual basically said you probably don't have friends, and "get good."

Fucking Cranky.

>>2428994
The first one was even worse about this. At least there are some differences.

I like 1 more than 2, half because of its aesthetic qualities but also because of its level design.

>>2429352
Don't be so vague. Please include examples of what you liked and what you didn't.

2 > 3 > 1

they're all great though and each has it's own charm

>>2429118
>>2428992

All hail the god of /vr/, Cranky Kong

>>2429815
Well, Cranky IS the original Arcade DK.

>>2429118

dkc2 feels so good on a crt, you can really appreciate the quality of the design that went into the game. also soundtrack is one of the best of all time

I've always been torn between DKC2 and TF, and DKC and DKC3. I can never tell which one is better.

DKC2 is possibly the best western-made platformer I've played, I can't think of anything else that comes close.

Japanese ones, there's a lot of great platformers, but DKC2 still stands as one of the best.

>>2428887
>Imprecise

What?

>>2429001
Sounds just like a game I played a while ago

>>2428887
I love Returns, but the temple levels are bullshit-hard.

There's nothing really unique about its gameplay, but the camera, controls, physics, difficulty level and jumping momentum are perfect. Even the underwater levels are well-done. The SNES is littered with experimental platformers that fell flat on their face because they forgot the basics of platforming.

I can't play these games without crying uncontrollably

>>2429046
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfyAxdJWu4Y&hd=1
>screaming and clapping during the performance
Why do people do this? Just listen to the music, assholes.

Personally

DKC3/DCK2 >> DKC

Returns and TF score very high too just not above 3/2

Best song in DKC2
1:12 holy balls..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9YYo9RYtjk

Easily my favorite game series. Play all of the Country games through in a row at least once a year.

>>2430932
Don't even remember that song too well.
It is god tier,and underrated to the rest.

Tropical Freeze and DKC are neck and neck for me.

>>2433632

DKC2 is what I mean. Just, god damn. I bought a WiiU as a Bayonetta 2 box but it turned out to be a Tropical Freeze box. Sucks they didn't have classic controller support though.

>>2433632
I can see Tropical being at the top of someone's list but DKC? I'm curious.

>>2433640

Sorry anon, I meant DKC2.

DKC1 does have a soft spot in my heart for really being the first game where I fell for Nintendo's "charm". In the post /vr/ world I almost considered a Donkey Kong amiibo. But Amiibos are scams meant to exploit compulsive collectors.

Tropical Freeze is just as good as DKC2. Take your nostalgia goggles off.

I think one thing that bothers people is the lack of Kremlings and how that artwork isn't as dark/gloomy.

In terms of level design, control, and music, Tropical Freeze is equal to, if not superior than, DKC2.

>>2433775
TF is pretty great, but the soundtrack isn't quite on par, IMO. Close, but not quite.

Level design is great, but the use of the most boring animal buddy is kind of annoying. Though he fits the gameplay, I suppose.

I haven't actually seen anyone ever complaining about the lack of Kremlings in TF. DKCR, yes, but not TF.
>>2429083
Eh. Tbh, the bonus rooms weren't really adding anything in DKC2, and in DKC3 they were downright annoying. Simplifying them was a laudable decision.
>>2428997
'Objectively', I think that DKC2's Kong-team worked better from a gameplay perspective, but in terms of level design, I actually rank DKC3 slightly higher. and I definitely enjoy it (Slightly) more. Ace soundtrack, too, even though I know that subject is somewhat divisive.

The character- and especially enemy design in 3 is /really/ hit and miss (Far more misses than 2 has), but for some reason this has never really bothered me.

And I don't mind gimmicky levels. Well. If I did object to them, I'd have to hate DKC2, too.

It's perfectly fair to say that Kiddy Kong sucked as a character, and that DKC3 has an excrutiatingly slow start, but beyond that... A fantastic game.

>>2433980
>bonus rooms
The DKCR bonus rooms are fine at first, but the fact they are repeated almost exactly throughout the game is a negative. Perhaps a bit similar to DKC in this regard.

DKC2 & DKC3 stick to about 3-4 different types, but they are different enough to make the challenge unique.

I haven't played TF. Is it the same as DKCR in this regard?

Based DKC.

I have to rank DKC1 first because its the only one where you get to play as fucking Donkey Kong

>>2428795
I buy a android trash tv to play this shit.

>>2434058
>Donkey Kong Country
>Diddy's Kong Quest
>Dixie Kong's Double Trouble

Like how Yoshi's Island is a Mario game where you don't play as Mario. The DKC moniker just ties them together.

>>2430514
Not retro but goddamn they went really hard in Dark Rapture and that kid warp zone

I love DKC2's soundtrack to death but to this day nothing can beat this one for me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v18pEFQb3EM

>>2434058
>Legend of Zelda
>You don't actually play as Zelda
>Fire Emblem
>You don't actually play as Fire Emblem
>SMW2
>You don't actually play as Mario

Pisses me off too, anon.

>>2428997
Agree with all your post but i really think dkc3 missed with not sticking to a theme like 2. The atmosphere, particularly enemy ddesign, was kind of boring and disjointed.

Still, 3 works as i still think it was more difficult in general compared to the previous two.

Apparently some of my pictures are too big for 4chan... kek.

>>2435680
It's fucked up when you think how K. Rool forced his Kritters to amputate themselves.

Well those are my DKC2 Promo's if anyone wants one's from the others let me know.

>>2435683
I never really saw a source for that. How do we know the one's staying home at Croc Isle weren't just already banged up and the one's sent to DK Isle were more in shape soldiers?

>>2428994
Diddy is faster and requires more skill, while Dixie is solwer, but her gliding makes her safer.

Compare them to Toad and Peach in Super Mario Bros 2/USA

>>2435684
Please do man, you've posted several renders I've never seen before!! Love them

>>2430743
What the fuck are you smoking?

The temple levels are fucking cake compared to the DKC2 island levels. Those were fucking bullshit.

I still beat all of those levels for every game because I'm not a casual you fag.

>>2434329
no duh, switching to a another character mid game, and upping the difficulty, no wonder it's going to fuck up your game

Was never a big fan of the DKC games.

They looked nice and had nice music, but the gameplay wasn't that engaging. I can understand the love, it just doesn't do anything for me.

>>2433775
>Tropical Freeze is just as good as DKC2.
The control design is ass, that's my only criticism of Tropical Dong. The level design is completely brilliant Retro did a better job than Rare on that, but then again we will never know what rare could do on a modern console.

>>2435684
That's pretty fantastic. Do go on.

>>2435663
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>>2435636

how is it that after all these years we havent gotten a full 3D game that looks like this

>>2434003

The bonus rooms in TF are all timed banana collecting challenges, You got 30 seconds to collect all bananas in the room which is made more or less challenging for each room, can be timed disappearing platforms, barrels etc.
If you manage to get all you can collect a puzzle piece.

>>2428887
>solid mechanics
>very shallow
Yeah no. DKC2 still has the tightest platforming mechanics and jump physics of anything I've tried from NES to now. Beats SMW and YI.

>>2428992
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>>2434367
>Not talking about 'In A Snow-Bound Land'
You guys are all big fat plebs. ALL OF YOU.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MBtxyOe3l4

>Not having Dixie as your waifu

>>2437885
Yooka Laylee looks pretty close.

>still beats 95% of modern platformers
from my understanding, weren't most platformers like this made by big (30+) teams?
the average modern platformer is made by like two guys with gamemaker.

>>2438678
I love that song. In fact I think I like it more than the Vangelis song that inspired it.

How is DKC Returns for 3DS compared to the Wii U version, or any of the SNES games?

>>2439234
Better controls shit frame rate.

I never liked playing as Dixie and vastly preferred Diddy and Donkey/Kiddy.

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>>2435684
Can't believe that all those pics had 3D that looks better than the newer DKC and most of current gen games and those pics were rendered with old 90s PCs.
Why they can't create something like this anymore?

>>2428795

I just wish it let me play as Donkey Kong.

>>2435872
Her gliding is sometimes a hindrance.

>>2440897
Not that it really matters, but those renders were not done in regular "old" PCs, but high-performance graphics workstations, which were a thing back then. Even if the general modeling is a bit crude and unsophisticated for today standards, in some ways they look somewhat "better" (lighting and surfacing excluded) than current stuff because the average surface polycounts in those renders - after subdivision/"smoothing" algorythms are applied - were probably still higher and more consistent throughout than what can be currently handled in real time by consoles.

>>2440897
>>2442252
There was still stuff like this tho

>>2428887
>imprecise
>>2430506
x2

>>2428795
>still beats 95% of modern platformers
They don't try really hard these days.

>>2428795
DKC1 single handedly got me into music and practicing piano. I think that shows how much I appreciate it. Truth to be told, DKC1 and 2 OST's are still my favorite of all time. Especially 1 for it's nostalgia.

>>2435663
>tfw no real-life Kremland

>>2442256
is he gonna shower me with coconut cream pies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkRvgb27xnU

Does anyone else feel it's the easiest out of the original 3? I recently replayed 1 and 2 and played 3 for the first time. I had a harder time with some of 1's platforming and random bonus room locations, and 3 has a bunch of levels that are pure bullshit.

>>2446136
The fight with K Rool at the end is p. hard. That final cannonball psyched me out the first time I beat him and killed me too.

This game was only okay for me. The Mario series is way better imo. DKC series feels like a rail-platformer, for the lack of a better term. Gameplay-wise, I feel like I'm constantly jumping through hoops like some circus animal.

>>2435651
>the tire is foreshadowing for K. Rool going mecha in DKC3
D E E P E S T L O R E

>>2430932
That's the song from the git gud levels in the last world. So many hours playing those levels as a kid.

Replayed the other day and didn't have much trouble. Oh well.

ANd you have to be insane to think that Stickerbrush SYmphony isn't the best DKC soundtrack out of the whole bunch.

>>2446596
literally reddit
arctic abyss is the true choice
maybe lost world jungle

>>2446646
>hates Stickerbush Symphony
>instead names two of the most mediocre tracks in the entire game

>>2446680
even forest interlude is better

>>2435684
Thanks!!

>>2433980

>TF is pretty great, but the soundtrack isn't quite on par, IMO. Close, but not quite.

You should really give TF's soundtrack another chance. It grows on you like most of Wise's music. It's absolutely on par with DKC2's soundtrack.