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Segatendo idort.

I won.

No one "won". This black/white binary thinking is dumb. Anyone who got to play video games was happy to do so. End of story.

>not growing up as a PS3 kid

You missed out.

I was a nintendo kid but only because that is what I had and what I knew. I still liked genesis and turbografx 16 but I knew nintendo so I just stuck with them kind of regrettably now cause the genesis is my favorite and the PS1 is way better than the 64 I just got 64 cause it's what all my friends had. Genesis I only really knew Sonic, Golden Axe, and Sports games, I had never even played a shinobi game although I did know the name and I wanted to sooooo bad. I had no idea the Genesis had so many shmups, Blazing Lazers was my favorite game even though I didn't own a turbografx but still I was a nintendo kid. I really wish I knew more about sega as a kid but I lived in a rural area so I didn't even know too much about nintendo either apart from mario, donkey kong, zelda, final fantasy and the popular stuff. I bought a genesis 7 years ago and just fell in love with its library so many arcade style games you can just pick up and get into for a few minutes you don't need to dedicate hours to. I was really lucky I got to play so many consoles growing up, I wish I knew more about the PS1 growing up though I only played demo discs mostly.

Nintendo kid.
Considering Nintendo is still making consoles, and Sega died on that front with the Dreamcast, I'm wondering why you felt you even had to ask who won, OP

I had a sega, but a family friend moved in who owned an SNES, so I got to play both.
But I preferred the genesis.

>>2429958
PC Master race

>>2430004
I am not worthy of licking the dirt beneath your boots, sir.

>>2429989
Sega kid (aka Sore Loser) detected.

>>2430004

I'm grateful I wasn't a PC-only kid.
Unless you liked veryspecific PC-centric genres like strategy and the like, PC was very boring for action/arcade games, plus no japanese support.

>>2430017
BBS MUDs where where it was at.

>>2429989
Definitely this.

That being said, I grew up Nintendo, still prefer Nintendo. The SNES just has a library more catered to my tastes as a huge RPG fan.

i grew up with a genesis and it seemed like nintendo won, however looking back now i have about the same amount of games for both systems downloaded. around 100 each.

nintendo just pushed their first party games really hard to make it seem like they had more, i guess.

Sega.

I missed the Saturn when it was out because aside from Sonic there was nothing I wanted on it (I got one a LONG time later), I really enjoyed the Dreamcast for what it had.

Can't argue Sega made some boneheaded decisions, but if we're comparing what the companies had to offer, I enjoy Sega's IP a LOT more than I do Nintendo's frequetly re-stewed games.

I just wish Sega had done more with what they had.

>>2430068

Sometimes I dream about what would have happened if the Saturn had a proper NA launch, more titles localized, and hardware that wasn't such a clusterfuck. It would have been God Tier to more than a few people then and now.

>Sales numbers aside

Sounds like you already know who won but aren't man enough to admit it.

>>2430068
Agreed about Sega leadership. You could have handed them a Swiss bank made entirely of gold bricks mortared together with cocaine and they'd have still fucked it all up in the long run.

Their IP was pure class though. and they definitely won the 3rd party contest. There were some really good titles on the SMS and Genesis.

I jumped back and forth as a kid. Plenty of trading got done in my area, and we had tons of mom n pop video stores to rent games from. I literally got to experience the best of both worlds.

>>2429958
Even though Sega withdrew I'm flabbergasted by how complacent Nintendo has become today. Or maybe it's just fear to directly compete. But the SNES was the last 'powerful' console they put out against rivals. Since then it's been their first party games pushing the envelope and riding the nostalgia built up for those titles.

They saved vidya from the crash but lived long enough to become the enemy.

>>2429989
>>2430091

Just trying to encourage some discussion and maybe even some playful banter

>>2430095
Still better than Microsoft and Sony who only exist to serve as FPS machines.

>>2430106
you mean advertising & set-top box platforms.

Why play games, when you can watch sports with a big bag of Doritos?

I grew up with both.

Mostly had Sega though.


Sega, to me, had a better "hidden gem" selection than snes did.

But I think that was part of the problem was that a lot of their gems were hidden.

But I tell ya, That Castlevania Bloodlines was fucking amazing. Better than what came out on SNES.

Yes, I said that.

All their Shmups were better to.

Fuckin' Steel Empire man. T'was the tits!


As far as the aesthetics as far as color scheme and sound goes, I gave it to Snes.

Their sound quality was on point as opposed to Sega. I also found two-player games to be more fun as their controllers were better

>inb4 hurrr buy a 6 button controller

As a kid, I didn't have the money to buy peripherals or other controllers, so I gave it to Snes.

Their main Library was pretty good...mostly.

In comparison, I found myself enjoying more Sega games.

Sega's peripherals and expansions for Genesis were fucked and at the time, I wasn't old enough to comprehend how the fuck to work that shit, so I never bothered.

Snes, didn't exactly have much here, except for maybe the Super scope.

Man, fuck that thing.


Overall, I can't pick man.

I don't favor one console over the other

I own both now, but I was a genesis kid back then.

I don't mind anyone saying one is better than the other, because they're both great systems for different reasons. I like that each actually provided a unique experience unlike today's consoles.

What does piss me off, however, is the teenage newfaggots who are now massive SNES fanboys because they played babby's first JRPG and then go around shitting on the genesis saying stuff like "lolol it only has sanic!"

It's just plain ignorance. It's easy for the younger crowd to look back at the SNES because most of those franchises are still well known today. The genesis is different in that a ton of its games were unique games that never had a franchise, or if it was a franchise it never left the genesis.

>Sales numbers aside who do you think won?
the consumer

>>2430106
They're more like mass-produced budget PCs. There are actually a lot of games on them that aren't just shitty modern FPS, but the thing is, they're mostly on all three (Xbone/PS4/PC) platforms so there's no reason to own more than one.

>>2430131
b-b-but chrono trigger, final fantasy 6, and earthbound are the best games of all time :^)

>Atari 7800
>Turbografx 16

Fuck yall, 5 dollar games from ToysRUs all day long. Gota make that lawn mowing money go as far as possible.

>>2430156
>7800

My condolences.

>>2430126
>Steel Empire
My melanin-enhanced gentleman! That very box (my original copy!) is sitting next to me right now.

I agree with your entire post, entirely. I was just recalling that on a by-numbers comparison, I own far more Sega game mass than otherwise.

>>2430167


You the man, dawg.

>>2429958
>had both a Master System and a Game Boy as a kid
Err both I guess.

Sanic would still beat the shit out of Mario though.

>>2429958
Had both, and a 7800.
>As I look at it now, Nintendo is typical and most known.
>Genesis has most hidden gems.
>The 7800 allowed me to get 5$ games at toysrus.

Loved the 7800 and Genesis though.
Cause even something atari does what nintendon't

>>2430351
>atari does what nintendon't
This Nintendo bashing meme by those that owned the worst consoles on 4chan really has to go.

I only had a game boy.

>>2430362
>by those that owned the worst console
>had both and a 7800

do you read? kek

>>2430167
>>2430126
Oh cool, somebody to ask a question not worthy of it´s own thread.

>In Steel Empire's credits at the very end they mention it's based in a book.
>Have you looked for it? Have you had luck at that? It does even exist?

>>2430390

That's not how greentext works, anon.

>>2430164
>>>2430167
its not so bad. decent arcade ports at least for a nes era system, and backwards compatible with 2600 games which were cheep as fuck at the time.

Seemed to be that back in the day the kids who actually gamed a fair bit or who were more "into" gaming had the SNES, while the more casual gamer had the Genesis. Thinking back it was almost all the weird friend and or girl friends who had genesis over the SNES if they only had the one.

SNES turned me into a nintendo fan boy until i bought a PS2, first non-nintendo system i actually owned and played a lot of. Then just started buying every console released since i became older and had much more available income.

Had a Sega CDX. Played Streets of Rage, Sonic, Lion King, Final Fight CD, Columns and my dad played the Working Designs RPGs like Lunar. Also had a SNES with SF2T but my dad gave it away. Kinda sad I didn't play much of the SNES library til recently, but it's fine, Went to the god tier PS1 from there.

>>2429958

Nintendo for sure because they basically bought out Sega if you want to get technical and economic with it.

I was a Nintendo kid.

>>2429958
Sales is how you measure victory in console wars though. And generally the only people who feel otherwise are Sega fans in general, or fans of newer Nintendo consoles (anything N64 and up)

You cane make arguments about who had better games until you're blue in the face, but who sold the most shit is the actual winner in every generation. Not in any small part because those consoles ended up having more games, and by extension more GOOD games.

>Atari beat out all the cheap knockoffs
>NES won it's gen
>SNES won it's gen
>PSX won it's gen
>PS2 won it's gen
>It's a hard call, what with the length of that gen and the massive fluctuations in who sold most and when, but I'd actually argue that 360 won it's gen
>PS4 is winning now.
Also: Gameboy/color/advance/DS/3DS all won their respective gens. Because there's just no beating Nintendo in the handheld market. To the point that I don't know why people keep trying...

These are facts. Sorry to burst your bubbles.
>inb4 some butthurt segatard tries to argue that Saturn won it's gen.

>>2430465

Wii won 7th gen, not that it matters since it's not retro though.

This is so cringe worthy you won't even make it to the end.

https://youtu.be/6hBDcdSFhmM

The console wars sucked.

>>2430465

>It's a hard call

This is what pstards actually believe.

Wii>360>PS3

And I've got some bad news for you. Although Sony has had the highest selling console in a gen, they've never had the best console in any gen. All real idorts know this is true.

>>2430479

Jesus Sega, really?

Grew up with an SNES.

Both consoles are fantastic.

Had both. Great time to be a gamer.

Nintendo.

It's not that I don't love Sega games, but a lot of their best titles were on the arcades. The Genesis versions (if they even existed) never did them justice.

Daytona USA remake for 3DS when

>>2430068
I'm a huge Nintendo fan, and love the company itself to death. Sega IPs such as Skies of arcadia, shenmue, and jet set radio are unbeatable though.

Sega Genesis had Streets of Rage 2. That trumps anything SNES had.

later in life, I got an SNES emulator. Super Metroid is really good, but otherwise I feel pretty good that my family chose sega for that generation.

our family went

NES
Genesis
N64
Dreamcast
Xbox

We chose correctly every time. God damn it were my brothers and I smart about which system to ask for.

then I went off to college and have been able to afford all the machines I want.

I mean, I totally could, but I gave up playing video games years ago.

>>2430529
But some of the best Genesis games weren't even arcade ports.

I grew up with a SNES. I like both but damn, the fanboys are annoying little shits, especially those youtube celebs.

I grew up with a SNES. I like both but damn, some SNES fanboys are annoying little shits, especially those youtube celebs.

>>2430578

That's a pretty decent list.

>>2430578
>Dreamcast
>Xbox
>we chose correctly every time

>>2430578
NES
SNES
PlayStation
Dreamcast
PS2
^The correct list

>>2430578
>Choosing N64 over Playstation

You have chosen... poorly.

>>2430684

PS1 and PS2 were both shit.

>>2430740

>Sony consoles
>Good

Pick one and only one.

>>2430798
>PS1 and PS2 were both shit.
Hardware wise maybe but games wise between them are pretty unbeatable.

>>2430068
>I enjoy Sega's IP a LOT more than I do Nintendo's frequetly re-stewed games.
Playing through All Stars Racing Transformed really reminded me how much I really enjoy all these old SEGA characters and IPs. Really wish we could see a lot of them return.

I was a SEGA kid. Got a Master System when I was really young and then got the Mega Drive. My sister had the SNES so I got the best of both worlds but my heart is definitely with the SEGA stuff.

>>2430801
At least it's got more than a dozen decent games, which is more than can be said about the N64.

>>2430801
Yes, let's judge all consoles by their worst software.

Sega. No one won. Sega died and Nintendo sold its soul to get rich off casual shovelware and gimmicky waggle consoles.

>>2430798

>>2429996
Learn to paragraph m80

>>2430808
This frood knows where his towel's at!

I got both the Master System and NES when they came out, but I never got into Sega until later in life (late 90s Dreamcast). I appreciate Sega much more now, and I've managed to collect all consoles sans the SG-1000.

All that said, however, Nintendo is still my preference after all these years. Nintendo fared better of the two, and for good reason.

>>2429958
If only sega realized their mistake and canned the 32X, as well as not overhyping the FMV games(of which only a handful were above mediocre quality.)
Then they could have Got Nintendo BTFO in America. and maybe Europe.

I was a race traitor. Atari first then Nintendo. I did get a Master System eventually just because Phantasy Star then I moved on to Sega first because cheaper and earlier to market plus edgy advertising, though I got an SNES soon after. Then the next generation I again jumped ship to Sony.

Sega is really a much much more interesting roller coaster ride of a company to have loved. Kind of like a sexy, crazy girl who self destructed soon after reaching adulthood.

ireland here
everyone i knew went master system > megadrive > ps1

>>2431072
>If only sega realized their mistake and canned the 32X
No. They should have never even started on the Saturn and put all their Japanese developers on the 32XCD platform. Then they would have had a fully backward compatible console with an enormous existing library and a huge installed user base and years head start against Playstation.

Kalinske was right

>>2429958
had both as a kid
played more on the Genesis and NES (only thing I really bothered with on the SNES was F-Zero)
Sega had more of the market when it mattered (1994 and back), but Nintendo went on to sell more SNES units when Sega left the 16-bit market.

Always been more of a fan of Sega's properties than Nintendo's, too.

>>2430126
>inb4 hurrr buy a 6 button controller
did that ever become the pack-in controller?
like, it really needed to

>>2429997
honestly, Sega should have been able to ride that momentum off of the very successful Genesis

but the Saturn failed pretty badly and the Dreamcast was on for success, but the PS2's impending launch cut that off pretty quickly (and Sega could have waited, but Sega likes to release first, always)
also, Sega's upper management was completely retarded and there was this gigantic galaxy-spanning divide between the eastern and western sides of Sega which can pretty much explain almost every issue Sega's ever had

Also they should have went ahead with Nvidia for the video chipset on the Jupiter.

SEGA kid till the day I die.

Which is why I understand exactly what an abused housewife must feel like.

>Genesis is outselling the SNES 2-to-1 in most territories. Better kill it instantly with no slowdown and force this expensive new console down your throats
>The add-ons for the Genesis are actually picking up steam, but we'll kill those off for the Saturn as well
>Let's announce at E3 that a new console is not only coming early, but it's out RIGHT NOW! But let's also not tell anyone in the press (making sure the news gets out next month in magazines since the internet isnt really a thing yet) and also let's not tell our 3rd party people about this either and have no games for our system for 4 months
>Hey, let’s keep making bad Sanic games
>Hey, let's keep all of our other IPs hostage and never do anything with them aside from occasional cameos in fucking Sanic Racing

>>2431096
That would have been an interesting alternate reality. But segacd was never intended to be a "must have" add on. It was always sold as a premium experience and Sega seemed content to simply break even off it. Unlike the 32x which Sega seemed to expect everyone to get.


Look at how much confusion there is for the average consumer with the wiiU. Sega would have confused everyone if they had releases the 32x/segacd/genesis as well as the nuptune/segacd.

I would have loved to have played the castlevania game that was in the works for the 32x.

>>2431110
The Jap developers should have just put their full power behind 32XCD games then at E3 in '93 they should have launched Neptune as an all-in-one 32XCD with a new more powerful graphics chip that could still run all the old stuff too. Developers could have chosen for themselves how powerful their game would have been versus how much of the installed user base could run it without having to worry about excluding the next gen console owners.

It would have been like the PS2s perfect storm back when the original Playstation was barely a gleam in Sony's eye.

>>2431118
32x and scd compatibility would have been severally limiting at best, completely impossible at worst, to put in a new machine. Megadrive compatibility would have been plausible, but again problematic and expensive.

>>2431125
Not a new machine just a 32XCD all-in-one with a somewhat stronger video processor with the same architecture. Maybe just more VRAM. Yes it would have been a bitch to develop for but as I understand it the Saturn was a bitch to develop for anyway.

>>2431125
Sega CD compatibility would have been a PITA and ultimately not worth it. 32X compatibility would have had issues, but would have been doable (and actually, shit should have fucking been designed to fit better with the Saturn's design, considering how much of it was used to make the 32X). Genesis compatibility would have been entirely reasonable and more than a bit expected.

really, Sega didn't think the Saturn's design through enough
the issues it has with the multiprocessor layout are kind of depressing (I'm actually pretty sure there's nothing the Saturn could do with two CPUs that wouldn't have been better, easier, and cheaper for Sega to put a single, slightly faster SH-2 in there, considering how difficult it is (and this is by multi-threaded code standards) to get good performance from using both at the same time)

also, Sega didn't bother providing developer kits that were of any use close to launch, that would have really helped
the early US release screwed over developers who jumped ship to Sony, too

>>2431141
Plus those fucking Net Yaroze consoles that only cost like $500. Sony knew what they were doing, although it was insane at the time for them to launch without an in-house studio. Never, ever had anyone done that before.

>>2431141
What would the Saturn have been like had it used one ARM CPU(one similar to the later Acorn Archimedes models) rather than 2 IBM DSPs, and given more time to launch in the US as well as firing Bernie Stolar before the very tail end of of its lifespan in the West(early-mid 1996.)

>>2429958
My first console was the Genesis. It was actually around the time the N64 was coming out, so games were pretty cheap, so I played fucking everything on it. Sonic, Streets of Rage, Golden Axe, Phantasy Star, Vectorman, Ecco, Afterburner... the list goes on. Yay, yard sales. But about a year later, I did the same thing with the SNES, and by God did I love it too. I had so many great games from both of these companies that were supposed to be bitter rivals. There was Super Mario and his spinoffs, Zelda, Metroid, F-Zero, Mega Man, Castlevania, Pilot Wings, and metric shittons of great RPGs. I didn't get it, but who cares? More games!

Even as a child I never got the console war thing. I never did get any of the other Sega consoles until recently, and I stuck with Nintendo until after the Gamecube, where I got the PS2 and decent library of PS1 and PS2 games.

So, to answer the questions asked, I started out a Sega kid, but quickly became an idort. I'd say they both won in some way, despite both of them making some bonehead decisions, since both of them have loads of great games.

>>2431141
>really, Sega didn't think the Saturn's design through enough

They thought it through. It did everything they wanted it to do. Problem is that they never wanted it to do a great amount of 3d to begin with. But they had a fast enough sprite processor that could also be used to draw polygons, given enough number crunching power behind it, so that's what they went with.

>cheaper for Sega to put a single, slightly faster SH-2 in there,

You are assuming two things wrong here: that faster SH-2s existed at the time, and that it would have been significantly cheaper to only use one.

The SH2 only came out of the fabs in early 1994 (early Saturn devkits have cpu "sockets" so they could exchange working sample chips and ICE inputs to final silicon), and as far as I know it did not have any faster versions at launch, only much later.
And Hitachi already made over 2/3 of the ICs in the Saturn, 4/5 if you count the CD drive chips and the MPEG card. Which means that Sega must have had a HELL of a bulk rate deal with them, so much that using only one SH2 would have killed more performance than what it cost.

As far as price goes, the double SH2s were the least expensive parts anyway. The system had five custom ASICs, five generic microprocessors, and lots of memory chips scattered around every part.

I was lucky as shit, I had both. Granted the only console my parents bought for me was the SNES, I was really lucky that one of my cousins gave me his Genesis after moving out of his parents place.

>>2429958
>So anon, were you a Sega kid or a Nintendo kid growing up?
Sega

>Sales numbers aside who do you think won?
Nintendo won 3rd gen, Nintendo and Sega split the 4th gen, Sony won 5th gen. Any other answer is objectively wrong and based only on subjective definitions of quality that usually boil down to "I played it as a kid therefore it was better"

>>2431097
My Genesis came with a 6-button.

In fact, I don't know anyone who didn't have a 6-button.

>>2429958
Both

I miss when controllers had ABCXYZ layouts

>>2431265
>Nintendo and Sega split the 4th gen,

Only in USA and maybe Europe, and only up till 1995 or so. Nintendo steamrolled them in Japan, and after 1995 the SNES had its best games coming while Sega gave it zero opposition.

I was lucky enough that I could play both Megadrive and SNES, and the MD always had more interesting games to play with. SNES only had a handful of titles I really liked, and none of them were really action games, other than Mario World and Yoshi's Island. To be fair, we also did not get any RPGs over here.

Kinda both. My first console was a Sega Master System and my next one after that was a SNES. Loved them both and still do. I had regular access to a Mega Drive as well through one of my friends so I was lucky in that way I guess.

>>2429958
sega
>>2431265
this

>>2431280
In terms of worldwide sales, SNES got just under ~50 million while the Genesis got just over ~40 million. Obviously SNES still had more sales, but a 5:4 ratio isn't exactly steamrolling the competition the way the NES, PSX and PS2 did in their respective generations.

And 1995 was the start of 5th gen so that part of the comment was irrelevant.

>>2429958
PC/Nintendo kid here. My first PC was a C64 and I didn't get an NES until like 1988 or so. I never actually knew anyone growing up who had a Sega, but I always dug playing several Sega games in arcades (Afterburner, Space Harrier, Altered Beast, etc.).

Ever since I've been a PC/Nintendo type of guy, though I own a 360 and PS3 as well.

>>2430017
Space shooters and racers aren't boring

>>2431324

But there wasn't enough, as I said japanese developers like Capcom or Konami always worked on console games, with very rarely Capcom porting some of their big hits to PC (and sometimes with bad results), while Konami practically ignored PC after the MSX. And still when you compare some games like Castlevania on the NES and Vampire Killer on MSX, the NES game comes out as a better action title.
As a kid I was disappointed with PC in that regard, but was still good to play these other kind of games like point & click adventures or simulation which wasn't common on consoles, but I couldn't have lived with only PC.
On the other hand maybe I could have lived with only consoles as long as I had both SNES and Genesis.

>>2431240
It outright doesn't make sense that they wouldn't want it to do that much 3D when at the time (92, 93, into 94) all of their big arcade hits were fully 3D and a lot of their other arcade successes (the Super Scaler systems) were Sega's continued effort into reaching true 3D gameplay. Out of all of the companies at the time, Sega should have been the one to realize that 3D was the future.

although
>The SH2 only came out of the fabs in early 1994 (early Saturn devkits have cpu "sockets" so they could exchange working sample chips and ICE inputs to final silicon), and as far as I know it did not have any faster versions at launch, only much later.
explains a stupid amount about why early Saturn development had so many issues, I did not know that
that also explains the hilariously awful supply issues Sega had (producing both Saturns and 32Xs with a brand new CPU design that Hitachi couldn't put out enough of) early on

As for cheaper, I do mean lower developer costs. In 1994/1995, people who weren't in high-end computing weren't really doing parallelism.
the SH2's are also laid out in a way that makes it rather hard to parallelize tasks efficiently (either one CPU has to pass data to the other one (which actually works pretty well, but there's a huge bottleneck in data passing) or both CPUs climb over each other to do anything (which can also be made to work well by using a method similar to the previous one, but it's still complicated))

>>2429958
>So anon, were you a Sega kid or a Nintendo kid growing up?
I was Nintendo kid until the arrival of the PlayStationONE.
>Sales numbers aside who do you think won?
I believe that Nintendo ¨won¨, now days a lot of people will remember more SNES games than Genesis games, i now that the Genesis is more than Sonic (gotta love that Phantasy Star) but the console itself was popular because of it and all those sports games. In others words the SNES has leave a better impression of its games than the Genesis.

Grew up as an Nintendofag who only owned an NES (and then a Game Boy and Super NES) and treated Nintendo Power as the bible, but became aware of other hardware manufacturers once I started reading other gaming magazines such as EGM and GamePro.

Although I still ended up picking up a Nintendo 64 (and the GameCube and Wii), I became more of a PlayStation guy once they started getting all the good games (Final Fantasy VII was the primary cause of that, but Resident Evil and Metal Gear Solid certainly contributed).

Never owned a Genesis (or a Master System for that matter), but I did get a Saturn and a Dreamcast. Haven't purchased a single Xbox yet, despite having plenty of chances to do so.

I skipped the 16-bit consoles entirely and had an Amiga 500 instead. At the time I knew nothing about either console. The only game magazines I read were entirely focused on computer games. I don't know if a console game magazine even existed then (over here).

>>2431342
>But there wasn't enough, as I said japanese developers like Capcom or Konami always worked on console games, with very rarely Capcom porting some of their big hits to PC (and sometimes with bad results), while Konami practically ignored PC after the MSX. And still when you compare some games like Castlevania on the NES and Vampire Killer on MSX, the NES game comes out as a better action title.
>As a kid I was disappointed with PC in that regard, but was still good to play these other kind of games like point & click adventures or simulation which wasn't common on consoles, but I couldn't have lived with only PC.
???

literally the only type of game you like are side-scrollers? what a world you must live in

that was basically the only genre that the PC never got right (even stuff like Duke Nukem and Jill of the Jungle aren't great), but if you wanted literally any other kind of game, the PC had you covered

>>2429958
neither.

I was a Sony kid.

I grew up with Sega genesis and looking back, I think nintendo has the better variety. When it comes to gameplay any way. Sega eventually got stuck in making 2D side scroller games. They didn't support different genres like they should have. Never really had the RPG's or anything too unique. Toejam & earl, one of my favorite games, it's a top down dungeon crawler, it's sequel had to be a 2D side scroller....why?! Those were the games sega was making, such a mistake.

Nintendo just had it all and often better. Though I think I ultimately prefer the flavor of sega. Sega was always more sci-fi and nintendo more fantasy. And that's what hooked me.

>>2431431
>I think nintendo has the better variety

JPRGs and aren't variety.

>>2431431
Arguing which RPGs are better is like two retards fighting. But Sega did have lots of entries that weren't side-scroller in the early years. Also, Shining in the Darkness, Phantasy Star, Landstalker, Beyond Oasis.

>>2431473
Sega deserves credit for at least localizing all their RPGs on the Genesis. Their few exceptions were really oddball titles like Rent-A-Hero and Funky Horror Band.

For some reason, Nintendo treated western players as idiots and never published their RPGs without bundling them with oversized guides covering 1/4 of the game. Even Fire Emblem and Advance Wars had to include glorified tutorials before they were localized.

>>2431435

Yea but racing, fighting, shooters.... I mean I shouldn't have to point all this out.
>>2431473

Some retards are still more capable than others. The RPGs nintendo had had more engaging maps and menus and thats very important. The SNES RPGs utilized the technology of their time better.

Its funny you say early years and say beyond oasis, that came out in 1995, that's late years to me. It's a good game sure, but it in no way compares to a link to the past, which came out 4 years prior.

>>2431431
>I think nintendo has the better variety.

The only extra variety the SNES had was the handful of mode-7 heavy titles, and JRPGs. The Megadrive, while it had its fair share of RPGs, could not match Chrono Trigger or Final Fantasy or any other squaresoft rpgs.

Now, on the other hand, the SNES didn't have anything as original as Comix Zone, Ecco, Toejam & Earl, even Road Rash...

I was unfortunate enough to be a kid in the 00s, after Sega stopped making consoles. I guess I was a Nintendo kid because I had every Nintendo console. I didn't get Sega console until last year when I got a Genesis and Dreamcast.

As for the 4th gen, Nintendo won. The Super Nintendo had so many amazing games and had some great fucking music.

>>2431524
>but it in no way compares to a link to the past
wow watch out we got a hardcore gamer here! Bet you know all about the old obscure games. Mario, Zelda, the list goes on...

>>2431524
>shooters
>SNES

has there ever been a more ignorant post on /vr/?

>>2431592
>has there ever been a more ignorant post on /vr/?

>hey guys I want to get a retron

SNES for the graphics and controller, Genesis for the SPEED and sound. If you didn't have access to both systems that gen you're fucked.

>>2431616
Good point.

>>2430919
dude I was high as shit when I wrote that hahahah it's just so all over the place.

Had a Mega Drive, SNES and a Master System growing up. Only a handful of games though. They belonged to my uncle who gave them to me one day. By that time the N64 and PS1 were already out. There weren't any console wars going on at my school and as far as I know there wasn't any aggressive Sega marketing going on, that was before my time and I assume it was more of an American thing anyway. People just played games on whatever they had.

I wish I hadn't sold my Master System years ago, that thing was cool. I should buy one someday.

>>2430479

Hate that video all you want, it's still entertaining as fuck.

>>2429958
>If you had friends
Sega
>no frieds
Snes

I was more of a nintendo kid but I always had a soft spot for sega. They had "edgier" games that I really missed when I sold my genesis for a snes.

Started hating nintedo when the N64 came out.

>>2429958
Must suck to have been an NEC kid outside of Asia.

>>2431750
>implying Super Nintendo didn't have more multiplayer vidya than Genesis

I'm 19. There was no Sega growing up. Sega was a Nintendo company for me; games like Sonic Advance and Billy Hatcher were Nintendo stuff.

If I was fifteen years older I doubt I would prefer Sega. They're both good but come on, there's nothing the MD has over the SNES. The SNES got all the good exclusives and the Saturn had a crap library outside of Japan. I love collecting for both consoles but the SNES has the better library bar none.

>>2431842
>Completely redesign the PC Engine to make it larger for the American market.
>Doesn't bother to add extra controller ports to the excess plastics.
What the hell were they thinking?

>>2429958
I had a Nintendo, but I always wanted a Sega because SANIC.

>>2430131
I agree with you 100 percent. I also don't have any firsthand experience with the "console war". My best friend had Ninetndo and I had Sega and we would alternate whose house we went to because we each wanted to play the others system.

Had all four 8-bit, and 16-bit Sega, and Nintendo consoles, plus TG-16.
No reason not to own them all when even the multiplats are vastly different.

>>2431996
I was in the same boat. The only people who bought into the "console war" were kids without friends.

I was a Sony kid growing up. The nintendo kids were almost all intolerable in their homosexuality and it was popular with kids a couple grades below mine in middle and highschool. I had a Genesis when I was a kid and was turned off by the bright and colorful FOR KIDS style games on Nintendo consoles.

I do have one good story about a particularly annoying nintendunce but everyone gets all intolerant and throws slurs about peoples sexualities around.

>>2432256
>nintendunce
I'm going to steal that, thank you anon.

>>2429958
Console wars weren't like they are today, nobody but really young kids I'm talking 8 year olds cared about bits, anyone else was too busy getting hyped about SFII Turbo or other games.

But kids today behave like 8 year olds until they hit 30 and move out of their mom's basement.

>>2432256
>I was a Sony kid growing up.
>>>/v/
Thank you.

>>2432272

Ps1 is /v/ now?

>>2432280
It should be.

>>2432287
so should the shit dicksty four. 64 fans are evemn gayer than Sony kids. I just love listening to how mario 64, OoT, BK, and goldeneye are the best games of all time or the shitty fucking n64 hipster faggots that think they are hardcore gamers cause they like bangai o and s(alt)in & p(epper)unishment

>>2430372
>Atari
>good
Had to come back for your dumbass.

>>2432272
what is wrong with having an opinion? just because the PS1 and 2 were the most popular people dont have the right to like them?

>>2432272

Better watch your ass next time you hit the showers, punk.

>>2432297
Is innevitable to not include Nintendo since they are retro along with sega. But if I could I would get rid of Sony because sonyggers are the worst, look at this thread for instance, we're talking about Sega and Nintendo out of nowhere sonyggers think they have a say in this when they were shitting their pants when the bit wars happen, and the thread derailed in name calling and shitposting.

This is why I think the PS1 should be excluded. And /vr/ should be a PC/Arcade/Sega/Atari/Nintendo board.

>>2432316
looks like moot

>>2432326

Nintendunce detected

>>2432307
Put your name back on, NESfag. Atari inc. deserves at least some respect for both their consoles and home computers.

>>2432342
I was a genesis kid but thanks for proving my point by behaving like a /v/tard.

This is why we will never allow the PS2.

>>2432326
PS1 is pretty retro though, I had the 64 growing up and I actually prefer the PS1. PS1 actually has some arcade ports, fighting games, rpgs, plus it had everything the 64 had anyway.

>>2432368
PS1 had way too much japanese crap for my taste that's what I thought back in the day. I sticked with my saturn and I got a N64 to play goldeneye.

>>2432351

Let us examine this.

>>2432256
>mild post

>>2432272
>butthurt over sony

>>2432297
>obvious and over the top belligerence, below even /b/ standards for low quality bait

>>2432326
>you using this post to say all sony fans are bad

>>2432351
>you now

Nice try but shitposting can't melt steel beams, obvious b8 and trying to derail an otherwise benign thread. Go back to /v/ with this garbage, we actually like video games here.

>>2432379
We're talking about Sega and Nintendo in this thread. You're like that kid nobody invites but they come anyway.

>>2432379
you are so le hardcore retro gamer 100% completion of bangai o and mario 64 2retro4me.

I made a constructive on topic post earlier. I just want to shit on 64 now cause it sucks. I like games too buddy just not shitty 64 games unless there are 3 other people to play too then it rules. Mario, Zelda, BK and that single player crap is all boring as hell though mate.

>>2432407
no one cares.

>>2432368
>plus it had everything the 64 had anyway
Mario 64
Mario Kart 64
Mario Party 2-3 (fuck 1)
Goldeneye
Perfect Dark
Conker's BFD
Zelda OoT/MM
Banjo Kazooie/Tooie

I could go on forever.
I preferred my PS1, but there were plenty of reasons to own a N64.

>>2432297

I can't tell if you're honestly incoherent and upset or you're baiting

>>2429958
>were you a Sega kid or a Nintendo kid growing up

>>2432378
>PS1 had way too much japanese crap
>I sticked with my saturn
what in the fuck

>>2432395

This isnt /v/ bud. People who samefag and try to turn threads into shitpiles stick out. Things are too slow here to pull that low end b8

>>2432426
ps1 had 3d platformers if you only had spyro you weren't missing out on anything by not playing banjo though. 64 had like 3 rpgs and fighting games. Crash team racing is actually better than mario kart which I don't even like as much as diddy kong racing. Conkers is a pretty bad game if you dont like the humor the gameplay amounts to pressing A during the proper context. The multiplayer is amazing though and probably best on the system. If you wanted a game like goldeneye or PD on PS1 you had medal of honor.

Again the console is awesome if you have some friends to play with but alone its not that great. Mario Party single player is a joke haha.

>>2432463
haha bro well said

>>2430131
the genesis sound chip sounds like farts XD

>>2432481
i want this fartin in my ears all day

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aH5g_dD5ri0

>>2429958
I had both systems. I enjoyed the SNES games more. They felt longer and more involved. Genesis games had a more arcadey feel, which is fine for a quick play, but I didn't feel as invested in those games. Even Phantasy Star didn't hold a candle to the myriad of SNES RPGs.

>>2431918
They popped the whole board in that one corner of the shell, strapped on some RF shielding and called it a day.

Even with that--if it was even possible to fix--NEC America didn't have the cash nor the marketing experts to make a system full of an unpopular genre in the west a success.

>>2432512
This is the primary difference between the SNES and Genesis.

I have zero interest in RPGs because I never have the patience to finish them. Thus, I was always more into the Genny.

>>2430106
Ironically enough, for all the shit people give MS, MS actually forced developers to make sure their games were shipped in a functional state, and gave them the convenience of patching their games for a few times for free. Every subsequent time they would charge money to host the updates, which was eventually cancelled because Sony didn't do that. It was Sony, ultimately, who encouraged developers to ship half broken games to be fixed at later dates.

>>2431592
>not playing Doom on SNES

PCfags I swear.....

>>2432512
>>2432526
I agree with both, however i also add that "arcade-style" games often have a MUCH BIGGER replay value than semi-long slow-paced games, that's why people play games like Streets of Rage 2 again and again to improve their skills and play with different characters and higher difficulty.

>>2432993

This is exactly how I explain the big difference between nintendo and sega to people. The go to being mario and sonic. The big defining difference between say Sonic 3 & knuckles and super mario world. Sonic 3 & k is a shorter game, but it's a game with 3 characters to play through with different paths and areas for some of those characters. Mario world is really about exploring the world and finding all its secrets.

Sega is about conquering or mastering
Nintendo is about exploration or discover.

Kid Chameleon is a game that I feel combines those two aspects really well. It's like if sega tried to make a nintendo game.

I got both, along with super mario allstars the version with super mario world, and the sega 6 pack that had sonic, super hang on, etc, for 30 dollars at a pawn shop

I grew up with a Master System then, later, the Mega Drive. I never played a SNES tbh. Where I grew up Sega was way more popular.

>>2431589
The point of the this thread is to argue what console we felt was best and why, not to have dick measure contests over who knows the most about obscure video games. Just because you're to much of a hipster to bother with famous games like Mario and Zelda doesn't mean don't matter when it comes to this conversation.

>>2433915

It also says growing up, like we all avoided mainstream games as kids? What elitist fucks we must have been to not play Zelda when we were 9

>not having both growing up
sucks to suck, poorfags

I was a sega kid growing up. Primarily master system and gameboy cos we couldn't afford 16-bit consoles (gaming was expensive back then). If we had the money we would have bought them all. Was lucky though, as both our cousins had mega drives and gameboys. Got to play sonic 2, lion king, aladdin, Super SF 2, streets of rage, sonic spinball etc. They had pretty good taste in games.

Funnily enough Snes was somewhat of a rarity back then among people I knew. Used to fantasise about owning one and playing super mario world (I was pretty obsessed with mario throughout my childhood but luckily could play mario 6 gold coins on original gameboy)

We also had a low-end PC which we used to play Doom, another of my obsessions, which my parents didn't aprove of as I was only 10 yo

>>2433967
just because you have both doesn't mean you don't prefer one...nobody said you have to hate the other one.

>>2433989

Some people take rivalries pretty seriously. I love both nintendo and sega, not exactly the same cane be said about microsoft and sony.

I had a megadrvie and a gameboy

Despite my mom being a single parent we had both a Super Nintendo and a Sega Genesis.

>>2434063
Pepsi is gross

>>2434063
Why can't you love Xbox and Playstation? Aren't their libraries now 95% identical?

I preferred the Genesis as a kid, but mostly because I just had more games for it.

After discovering emulation, I played the SNES games I never had, and I thought it was clearly superior.

But then I also discovered Genesis games I had never played.

Ultimately, I came to the conclusion that they're both very good and very different. Not like now where the Xbone and PS4 are basically the same shit.

The Genesis had a lot more short but sweet arcade style games, while the SNES had more games that had huge stories and worlds.

People that prefer one over the other simply just prefer certain types of games more.

>>2434291

>>2434307
Not him, but the remaining exclusives are what makes Xbox more of a dudebro console than PlayStation which is more of a weeb console.

>>2434482
i must shamefully admit that i know this artist.
brb, need four minutes to take care of a personal matter

>>2434307

Yea, exactly. There's nothing really defining about either of them. They're so the same there's no point in favoring one over the other. Too me nintendo and sega are like coke and pepsi. Sony and microsoft are like sprite and 7-up. I'll be damned if I can tell you the difference between sprite and 7-up.

>>2434507
From the top of my head, its ootsuka reika, isn't it?

>>2434552
Seven up tastes like fucking corn syrup and sprite tastes like shit. They are both awful.

>>2434291
I used to be a faggot too then I decided colas should taste like cola maybe. Cola tier goes

Coke < Pepsi < Mexican

Coke tastes like bubbly brown liquid ZERO cola flavor, pepsi has a slight cola taste but tastes more like sugar than anything, and mexican cola is always amazing cause it ain't made with shit tier corn syrup.

I never understood why anyone would want either when they could build a more powerful PC

>>2434868
yeah you coulda been playing ultima underworld and wolfenstein in 92

>>2434868
Up until the switch to disc-based games (not necessarily caused by, but coinciding with), consoles were better at games than PCs were. It wasn't until more recently with Sony and Microsoft trying to market their consoles as all-in-one family home entertainment units that PCs became drastically superior, because console makers stopped focusing on games.

>>2434894
you mean compact disc bro cause floppies are disks too and plenty of awesome games that were beyond console games came out on floppies still too. Wolfenstein, Ultima Underworld, might and magic 3.

>>2434902
I'm not aware of any game console that used floppies as their primary medium (Famicom had a shitty peripheral, so did the Commodore 64 if you consider that a console and not a low-end computer) so obviously I'm talking about CDs.

>>2434894
None of that is true.

>>2434908
consoles were not better in 1992 computers still used floppies for the most part

I was both.

I didn't care about console wars and still don't.

SNES probably won, but the Genesis was a hell of good system as well.

>>2432525
>Even with that--if it was even possible to fix--NEC America didn't have the cash nor the marketing experts to make a system full of an unpopular genre in the west a success.
That was they said about the Famicom and console gaming in the west. NEC just had an inept US division.

I didn't get a NES until 1993/1994 and didn't get a Sega Genesis until 1997. I never owned a fifth generation console. Personally I think nowadays I prefer the SNEs but my 9 year old self would disagree.

I had both, but I played my Genesis more. Loved Super Metroid more than anything, but thanks to Sega Channel I experienced so much more on there.

Plus I didn't play RPGs as a kid so the action games on the Genesis were my home. Save for some SNES mainstays like Metal Warriors, Super Smash TV, TMNT4, SMW and a few others.

>>2434291
I heard you talking shit about me, nigger.

>>2432481
No.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTQIiIKummw

had both, but preferred Nintendo by far

>>2436794
it was a joke but please stop posting metal squad in every thread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j92RMPcnWWs
thunder force 3 deserves more love

Sonic was cool, but Nintendo was definitely the better company.

Nintendo...I don't know why anyone would like Sega, contrarians mostly...

Nintendo actually had the good games...

I only recently experienced sega. Nintendo house until ps1, and actually had every gen 6.

>>2429958
Which of these 4 had the most unlicensed games developed for them: NeS/Famicom, SNES/SFC, Mega Drive, or PC-engine/TG16?

>>2438793
See:
>>2431589

I like Nintendo, but you're a living parody of ignorant Nintendo fanboys who only know Zelda, Mario and Sonic.

>>2438793
>I don't know why anyone would like Sega
Better taste and a larger knowledge of game libraries than you, I imagine

>>2438901
I'm no nintendunce, but lumping the fans into one is just stupid.

>>2438918
You're right, I'm just 'avvin a giggle m8

>>2438886
Sega definately didn't have those, so I don't see your point.

>>2430091
If we're looking at SNES vs Genesis the Genesis actually had more sales worldwide up until around 1996 where Sega stopped giving a fuck about it and gave the whole 16 bit market to Nintendo

But who really gives a shit about sales, we're not investors here

>>2431101
>Also they should have went ahead with Nvidia for the video chipset on the Jupiter.
nvidia chips were garbage in the 90s

>>2439030
AMD fag leave.
Isn't your house on fire?

>>2439036
>nvidiafag
>talking about fires

>>2430479
>that smug mustard at the end

Things really don't change.

>>2438998
>Sega stopped giving a fuck about it and gave the whole 16 bit market to Nintendo
It's funny that you think this is actually a point in Sega's favor like they could have gotten more sales than Nintendo if they wanted to do but just arbitrarily didn't for no reason

>>2439839
Except they did for the most part, save for Japan where they were fucked. After the Genesis though, Sega did many error..

>>2439064
Ah, those were the days.

I had both, got a genesis then a super nintendo later. Both were good; I still have my super nintendo and most of my games, my sister has a few of them too. My genesis eventually died one day then one day my mom tossed it and all of the gamesa few years later without telling me. Pretty annoying since I had earthworm jim, vectorman, sonic 2, and sid meier's pirates gold (which is worth like $50 now), and a bunch of other good games.

>>2439872
>still have my super nintendo
>genesis thrown out
As it probably should be.

>>2430095
>They saved vidya from the crash but lived long enough to become the enemy.
Eh... that's not really true. It wasn't going anywhere, gaming at no point needed 'saving.' They just happened to step in and sell well when the main player went under and a few reliant businesses. There was still other competition in other areas other manufacturers ready to step up it just happened that Nintendo had a jump on a next gen system. In NA every console was basically slowly upping the game competing with Atari and arcade gameplay and milking that. Even the SG-1000 from Sega was basically trying to do arcade at home stuff. Rather than finding it's own pace. The master system didn't even come out til 1985. The Atari 7800 didn't even attempt to get with the new style of gaming. Computers were already leading more genre innovation. Nintendo just had damn near perfect timing. They basically did what Atari did in 1977. Where the first gen was all about PONG. Atari flipped the script and said we're doing as much arcade shit as we can get. Balley was kind of on the ball for product, but didn't push it properly. The oddysey competed on the same concept half a year later and with a lesser machine.
Nintendo basically did the same for the third gen. They flipped the script from arcade to general purpose, they beat everyone to the punch and they pushed it properly. Basically a recipe for success. Similar for the next gen, the consoles that managed to hit that recipe the best, did the best.

>>2440171
So yes Nintendo saved gaming, from what you described.

Nintendo master race.

The SNES's library shits all over the MegaDrive's.

>>2440381
In Asia, especially. However, had Sega realized their mistakes and trashed the 32X before release, and promoted the Sega Saturn better, they might have been in a deeper hole than they already put themselves in with the virtual boy.

>>2440171
Atari could have saved the American Gaming industry with the 7800, had Mr. stuck up Jackass Tramiel not ruined them after buying just the Assets of their console and Home computer divisions. If Atari had to be split up like they did in 1984 and have its Home computer and Console divisions sold, it should have been either 20th Century fox, Tandy, or Mr. Osbourne. Mr. Tramiel was a good businessman indeed, but he was AN AWFUL manager when it came to video games!

I had both but SEGA clearly won. SNES only had Mario and Zelda and a bunch of RPGs, whereas the Mega Drive's library is massive and filled with hidden gems. SNES is like the dadrock of consoles.

>>2440592
>SNES is like the dadrock of consoles.
That could be said about Nintendo in general nowadays.

>>2440592
Can you list some of these hidden gems? I always see mention of them but no one ever states any specific games when I ask.

>>2440592
Clearly. That's why Nintendo went under and SEGA is still ma-

Oh wait

>>2440592

>SNES only had Mario and Zelda

Ahem:

Super Punch-Out
F-Zero
Uniracers
Final Fight
Contra III
Super Castlevania IV
Turtles in Time
Tetris Attack
Super Metroid
SimCity
Knights of the Round
Mega Man X
Kirby Super Star

>>2440629

Here are some:

Ristar
Rocket Knight Adventures
Dynamite Headdy
Mutant League Football/Hockey
General Chaos
Comix Zone
Gunstar Heroes

>>2429958
Hmmmph... Where did all the discussion go?

What about TurboGrafx?

>>2440675
>uniracers

seriously, stop this. That game is nothing special

>>2440673
>Implying that has anything to do with quality
faggot

>>2440875

OK, tell us what great games the Genesis had, WITHOUT naming Sonic, Golden Axe, or Streets of Rage.

>>2440878

>Implying it doesn't

Sega went under because every console they made other than the Genesis flopped.

>>2429958
I was a Sega kid. Then I was a Sony kid. Now that I'm not a kid anymore, I'm absolutely a Nintendo kid. I wish that I always was. First party games from other companies just don't compare.

>>2440879

Gunstar Heroes and Dynamite Headdy are two of my favourite games of all time. I'm not that guy, but the Mega Drive had plenty of good games. I had a Mega Drive, but my friends had Nintendo or both. I loved both, and have owned a SNES, an N64, Dreamcast, etc. I'm not biased at all.

I think the trinity of underrated Genesis platformers is Dynamite Headdy, Ristar, and Rocket Knight Adventures.

>>2440675
You're kind of proving his point.

>>2440232
Then you didn't read what I wrote since I did not describe any such situation.

>>2440584
>could have saved
You can't save something that isn't in need of rescuing. It's like suggesting that you saved a weed addict from starving because he had some medium quality pizza and some Doritos by ordering out at a Chinese food you place.

>>2440879
This has to be a parody of an ignorant Nintendo fanboy, right? I like Nintendo a lot but if you think that's all the Mega Drive had you're just an ignorant fool.

>>2440974
I always see people say the Mega Drive has more than this but no one is quick to offer any examples.

>>2440974

Duh, of course that's not all the Mega Drive had. I'm just saying it didn't have much else beyond those games.

>>2440975

That's because they can't. The library is pretty slim after Sonic, Golden Axe, Streets of Rage, Ristar, Dynamite Headdy, Thunder Force, Shining Force, Rocket Knight Adventures, Gunstar Heroes, ZToejam and Earl, and Phantasy Star.

>>2440879
That's not a valid argument. Two consoles can have no good games, that mean neither have only games because they're all equally bad. Also, here's a list of decent/great/good games anyway just because you're a prick.

Aladdin
Alien Soldier
B.O.B.
Ballz
Bare Knuckle 2,3
Beyond Oasis
Blades of Vengeance
California Games
Castlevania - Bloodlines
Chakan
Comix Zone
Contra Hard Corps
Cool Spot
Crusader of Centy
Dinosaurs for Hire
Earthworm Jim,2
Ecco,2
Flashback
Forgotten Worlds
General Chaos
Golden Axe 1,2,3
Kid Chameleon
Landstalker
Light Crusader
Lion King
Mean Bean Machine (puyo puyo)
Mega Bomberman
Mega Turrican
Mutant League Hockey,Football
Pirates! Gold
Red Zone
Ristar
Road Rash,2,3
Rocket Knight Adventures
Shadow Dancer
Shadowrun
Shining Force,2
Shinobi 3
Skitchin
Smash TV
Snake Rattle Roll
Sonic 1,2,3,Knuckles,3D Blast
Sparkster
Super Bubble Bobble
TMNT - Hyperstone Heist
Vectorman,2
WolfChild
X-Men
Zombies Ate My Neighbors

64 so far,
leaving out games I haven't played, don't remember or debatable.
Fuck I left out phantasy star games because honestly, I think they're kind of shit since they have watered down battle system. Double Dragon since I think I recall them sucking on the genesis. I didn't add splatterhouse and actually quite a few because I really can't make any real argument for or against.

>>2440978
And I'm just saying you're an ignorant Nintendo fanboy. Again, I like Nintendo but people like you make that very hard to admit.

P.S.
>>2440975
>>2440982
samefag

>>2440991

For your information, I have a Mega Drive.

>>2440879
Revenge of Shinobi
Thunder Force II, III, IV
Dynamite Headdy
Ristar
Phantasy Star IV (a lot of people say II as well but I hated II)
Shining Force
Story of Thor
Crusaders of Centy
Super Monaco GP
Columns
Super Hang-On
Outrun

>>2440994
I have an N64. But I don't have much knowledge of the system of its games, so I'm not going to try and act like I do and come off as an ignorant tool.

>>2440982
>The library is pretty slim after you get rid of a large number of good games..

I got a Genesis for Revenge of Shinobi. Sonic and Streets didn't come out until later on. Initially there were a bunch of Sega arcade ports. Then Capcom arcade ports, then some Konomi and Treasure sweetness. It was a better system, I think, for platform games.

>>2440875
That is correct.

>>2440967
Well no. He listed a few games other than Mario and Zelda. So no he actually countered the argument.

Though I agree with the Genesis having a larger variety of unique games. The SNES had it's share of decent games.

A few more other than his list that are decent/varied

Shadowrun
Actraiser
Zombies Ate My Neighbors
Addams Family
Battletoads
Bomberman
Blackthorne
Demon's Crest
Dessert/Urban Strike
Dino City
Earthbound
Equinox
FF - and basically a boat load of other RPGs which was SNES's major genre.
Goemon
Gradius
Kirby
Lion King
Mechwarrior
Ninja Warriors
Pocky & Rocky
Run Saber
Sim games
Super Ghouls and Ghosts
Spike Mcfang
Wing Commander
Worms
Zoop
Stunt Race FX
Starfox
Street Fighter
Lethal Enforcers
Earthworm Jim
Clay Fighter
Civ
X-Men
Hagane
Flashback
Populous

There's a few other I'd say less good games or at the very least that I also don't prefer that are varied.
Out of This World, Lemmings, King of the monsters, Killer Instinct, Frogger, Stanley Cup Hockey (2.5Dish), Puyo (J only, matters today not then), Punch Out.
Neither list is by any means all exhaustive.

>>2441020
I'm almost positive that was his point.

>>2440879
uniracers is just sonic without detailed backgrounds or enemies or obstacles because they had to take all that stuff out just to get the SNES to go fast. It's a fun little game but it's nothing special

>>2441020

>11
>large number

The point was that after you name those games, the list of good games gets shorter.

>>2440986

>Mean Bean Machine

Tetris Attack is better.

>>2441054
populus was like the first EA game they ported to the genesis bud. It was on everything.

>>2441097
no it doesn't trouble shooter is an amazing game. Better than Gradius 3 you love and you SNES fanboys don't even know it exists

>>2441097
>"11" games
>when most of those 11 are series with multiple games on the Genesis

>when you remove good games, the list of good games gets shorter
You really are a bundle of knowledge aren't you.

this thread in summary:
>Sega fanboys post hidden gems that they never played as a child
>Nintendo fanboys post hidden gems that they never played as a child
>the popular games for the Genesis and SNES are all terrible and we should all be ashamed
>my multiplat game is better than yours
>Saturn & Virtual Boy
>it's 2015 and I still won't play games from the other system because I'm a stubborn faggot

>>2441104

Naming one game doesn't prove me wrong.

The SNES controller is FAR superior to the MegaDrive's.

>>2441102
It's not an issue of better.

>>2441103
>ported to the genesis bud.
100% irrelevant to the discussion at hand. Neither is the relevancy of exclusivity. Please go back to /v/ and be twelve there.

>>2441123
Truth. A bit small, but still better in design. Third party controllers help on both sides though.

>>2441128
the discussion is good games on each console, you can't list that as a good SNES game when the SNES version isn't even the best one.

>>2441116
no it proves that you are uneducated like most super nintendo fans and only say X games are good because X games are the only games you know.

>>2441132
>the discussion is good games on each console

> you can't list that as a good SNES game when the SNES version
is a good game on the console listed. Right.
Do you even think before you fucking write shit? Try it some time.

>>2441137

>Can't refute my point
>Resorts to ad hominem

List every good Genesis game not made and/or published by Sega.

List every good SNES game not made and/or published by Nintendo.

>>2441159
Why? What's the fucking point? Suppose Sega made and/or published 1000 of the 200 games. Why would it make a difference if they did or not?

>>2441179
He wants you to remove all Sega games because he knows about Nintendo threatening the livelihood of third party developers if they made games for another system.

>>2441145
Okay more good games you haven't probably haven't heard off and should play.

Whip Rush
Decap Attack
Phelios
El Viento
King's Bounty
Buck Rogers
E SWAT - It's Robocop that plays shinobi basically
Technoclash
Mystic Defender (Play this game it's an early genesis Castlevania style platformer and it's a freakin gem)
Mercs - I know you probably know the arcade game but the genesis has a really good original mode
Midnight Resistance - It's like the genesis version of contra for NES, the music is amazing and better than the arcade game even
Rolling thunder 2 and 3 - 3 is like a souped up rolling thunder while 2 is more like the original but with 2 player coop.
Rambo 3 - Not so obvious movie license game is actually a good run n gun. Short and sweet but fun.

You have no point. My point is you are uneducated that is not attacking your character that is the point itself. King's Bounty is one of the best games ever it was the beginning of HoMM series and the genesis version is even superior to PC king's bounty. I know reviews mean fuck all but sega-16 gave it a 10/10, what it does mean though is that there is this amazing game out there people are raving about and you haven't even heard of it.

I am only using King's Bounty as an example because I have personal experience with it. I had only learned about it a couple years ago myself once I sat down to actually get into it I discovered a game with amazing depth and replayability. A game that just got forgotten with time.

>>2441138
Playing populous with a controller is fucking stupid. It's a good game because populous is a good game despite what console you play it on but purposely handicapping yourself with a controller is retarded. Just play one of the computer versions

>>2441336
> I know reviews mean fuck all but sega-16 gave it a 10/10, what it does mean though is
fuck all, just like you said. You can discuss the quality of a game without having to use shit tactics like negating reviews and then using them as an authority on games hypocritically.

>>2441207
Ironically enough, with the creation of the PS1, Nintendo was the one who lost all their third party support, and have failed to regain them to this very day.

>>2441356
That's not irony, it's karma.

>>2441351
so do you just stop reading, I said what it does mean is that people out there like it and are raving about it. It means fuck all in forming your own opinion god you are thick.

>>2441349
It does make sense to play a game with better input, definitely. Whether that's significantly relevant with a slow paced game whose view window is 8x8 pixels however is kind of questionable. That doesn't negate the quality of the game on the console unless the controls are actually terrible. It's not like say playing Doom on the SNES vs Doom on the PC. Those are two radically different games.

>>2441359
No. I do read but you don't.
>I said what it does mean is
>I know reviews mean fuck all
Notice the conflict in your statements. Please, stop. A review doesn't mean shit and that statement was made clearly in relation to the review as part of the very sentence of the review. What it means is fuck all. What it doesn't mean is that there's a good game or anything. What it means is yet again because you're fucking slow, fuck all.
If there is a good game you'd like to state fine. But a good review doesn't mean there's an amazing game. It just means a review in a magazine is raving about it. Whether or not someone has heard of it is also not related to the review. What it does mean is that a game magazine gave it a good review. That's it.

>>2441371
What I meant was that the review has no meaning pertaining to the actual quality of the game, it's meaning lies in that there are people out there that do think it is amazing. It's not a magazine though it's a fansite that is what is important. These are real people not corporate writers that could have been paid by EA so I do take the reviews a little more seriously.

>>2440986
>Chakan
my nigga.

>>2435237
Nintendo had Super Mario Bros, though.
NEC/Hudson had ShooTing Games.

>>2440986
>no decapattack

>>2441582
Was trying for interesting or good games.

SNES even did the multiplats better. "Blast processing" was a joke to cover up how weak the Genesis was.

>>2441594
>Ballz
>Chakan
>Californian games
>Sparkster
>X-Men
Nigga pls.

>>2441594
not him but decap attack is good, it's a challenging platformer with a cool inventory system that adds some depth to the game. When those retards on gamegrumps played it they didn't even figure that part out. It has good platforming challenge I am sick of people that haven't actually played it saying it's not good. Don't come back with b-b-but I have played it. Booting it up for 10 seconds in an emulator and closing it after the super obnoxious title music doesn't count.

>>2441604
>super obnoxious title
Only on shitty emulators. Grow some balls.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVZPfPqSWUc

>>2441604
>Assumptions: The Post

I was an SNES kid. But that's largely because... well, because I was a kid and I just played whatever console I was lucky enough that my parents happened to purchase. I'd have played the shit out of a Sega if they ever bought one of those too.

As far as who won? Hindsight benefits us here. Mario's still going strong, while Sonic? RIP in peace.

>>2441607
that doesn't make it not obnoxious man. I never said that was a bad thing either it just pushes some people away. It's just super loud that's why I still like it haha.

>>2441610
it was an educated guess. There is no objective reasoning you can give me to suggest decap attack is not good. It is good because the platforming is challenging because you have good control of chuck and float around and can jump far so that lets them expand on level design. There are lots of hidden areas and secret powerups hidden and exploring each level is pretty fun. The bosses are pretty tricky beating them the traditional way but the items are there to help you too so you are rewarded for exploring. Why is it bad?

>>2441621
beating them the traditional way with attacks only is possible* oops

The first time I played the genesis it was my cousins around 1994. Loaded up sf saw this shit and never looked back. Also the controller felt all hard and uncomfortable. Genesis sucks.

>>2441672
... but the Genesis version looks better? Runs in higher resolution too.

>>2441672
The SF2 Genesis port could have been much better if Capcom actually gave a shit instead of doing a rushjob of the shitty SNES port.

SNES = RPG machine
Genesis = Everything else

Also, the SNES music chip was trash for anything besides orchestra samples. However, it had a far superior color palette but the Genesis had a higher resolution on older hardware.

>>2441680
The 6 button pad is far, far, far better for that game than the SNES pad as well.

>>2441672
>>2441689
To be honest, SF and all the other fighting games were shit on both consoles. Sadly it was the only way to play them if you weren't a rich kid who had the Neo-Geo.

>>2441691
>Also, the SNES music chip was trash for anything besides orchestra samples.

Drinking from the latest batch of /vr/ Kool-Aid I see.

>>2441714
SNES chip was a sample machine. Genesis chip was an actual synth.

>>2441730
>A is different from B, so A is trash

>>2441736
No, it's just that the SNES sound chip was awful whereas the Genesis chip was sounded better and had greater flexibility in the right hands but horrendous in the wrong ones due to the higher learning curve than using a standardized library of sounds used for the SNES.

>>2441736

>>2441741
>>2441742
Not him and i prefer FM but godamn, quit pretending the SNES sound like shit, both sound good in their own right.

>>2441680
are you color blind?

>>2441741
The entirety of your "sentence" parrots rhetoric seen elsewhere on /vr/. You aren't putting forth a single original thought or argument. This is just sad.

>>2441751
Too bad the graphics is the only good thing about the SNES version, because it plays like shit, nothing like the original, not even plane system.

Also, the music is garbage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lekfXNJ6z0c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tU51_orHlTg

>>2441753
>stating facts is using /vr/ rhetoric
Are you complimenting this board's objectiveness? Nice.

>>2441764
I would prefer the SNES color palette, but that SNES audio sounds like vocoded farts. Takara did a shit job on that.

>>2441787
And to be honest, the colors on the Genesis version can be fixed in a quick color swap, it wouldn't look as good, but still much better than Takara's color selection.

>>2441773

>had greater flexibility in the right hands but horrendous in the wrong ones
This is just as true for the SNES as it is for the Genesis.

>Genesis chip was sounded better
>it's just that the SNES sound chip was awful

These are not facts. You have not presented facts or objectivity.

>>2441795
>This is just as true for the SNES as it is for the Genesis.

No, it isn't. Nintendo developers had to use the same sound driver whereas Genesis develops had to make their own. And again, the SNES is a limited sample synth whereas Genesis is a true FM synth.

>>2441823
The "right hands" aspect is true of both. Argue that the SNES chip is "limited" if you want, but just as the Genesis's limited palette doesn't mean its graphics are always terrible, neither must the SNES sound always be terrible. It was plenty capable and you certainly can't rightly say that every game in the library sounded interchangeable.

The SNES sometimes did a pretty good job emulating FM, it's not the same but still pretty faithful to the real thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfIF-nhe3cM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOdUqZ9jX08

Now, other games simply sounded like shit compared to the original.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0kH4LP_7QQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YbBOZNtRpU

Capcom sure was inconsistent with their ports.

>>2441856
All the games literally used the same sounds. You can argue compositions all you want, but as far as sound the SNES was completely inflexible.

>>2441123
I think the Mega Drive controller is far more comfortable and has a better D-pad. You speak the truth when it comes to practicality though, 3 buttons just wasn't really enough. You have to give them some credit though, when the console was released they were competing with the NES, and the Mega Drive controller was pretty much a standard arcade layout for 1988.

>>2441943
>All the games literally used the same sounds.
This is how I know you don't know what you're talking about.

Sega died as early as it did because the Dreamcast lacked a DVD player. It was actually cheaper to buy a PS2 than a DVD player at the time of the PS2's release.

It's a shame because it's fun to imagine what the industry would be like now if Sega was still making consoles instead of shitty Sonic games.

>>2442405
Yeah, that's why the GameCube died too. Oh wait

Sega had a lot more problems than lack of DVD playback.

>>2440973
>The North American gaming industry was in no need of saving
>What is the 1983-1984 game crash

>>2442667

>The North American gaming industry was in no need of saving
coz
nothing important would be lost

>>2442670
Fuck off, Speccytard.

>>2442674
>NINTENDO IS GOOD
>NINTENDO IS GREAT
>SMITE THE NON-BELIEVERS
It's a stone-cold fact that arcades and home computers were still quite prevalent at this time. It was only dedicated game consoles in one part of the world that were seen as a fad.
Please learn a bit more about the hobby in which you claim to be interested.

>>2442667
>What is the 1983-1984 game crash
The failure of the single largest north American video game console and game manufacturer as well as reliant companies due to poor business and economic decisions during an over-saturation of the gaming market that created an volatile and competitive purchasing climate alongside the bailing of employees for more recognition and greater satisfaction during a large scale surge of video game development and innovation worldwide as well as competing against the brand new field of home computing. All of which during video gaming as a whole was under no threat of slowing down and had continuously had more and more games released every single year without fail.

Why do you ask?

>>2442405
The Dreamcast may not have been any match for the PS2, but it still sold decently in its 2 year life. In fact, the Dreamcast launch was, at the time, the biggest console launch ever. It would have been able to survive as a niche console, just like the Gamecube and Xbox did that generation (considering every console got completely destroyed by the PS2, saleswise). The problem was that, as a result of mismanagement throughout the 90's, Sega couldn't afford to continue supporting the Dreamcast.

>>2429958
Nintendo kid. Won with snes, lost hard with n64.
>mfw perfect dark framerate

Grew up with an NES and Genesis, enjoyed Genesis more despite having 1/3rd of the amount of games I had on the NES for it.

Up until the Sega CD and 32X, I feel like Sega was winning. Then they went and shit the bed.

>>2442819
Sega CD has more to offer than just Sonic CD and FMV crap.

>Sol Feace
>Devastator(japan only)
>Time gal
>Snatcher
>Shining force 1&2
>Final fight CD
>Soul star
>Jurassic Park CD
>Road Rash

>>2442838
Sure, but consumers felt pretty burned.

>>2442838
the ecco cd soundtrack was way superior, every kid i knew who had a sega cd had that version of ecco and it was great.

Genesis had a better sound chip?

Tell us what games on the Genesis sounded as good as Super Mario RPG.

I appreciate the Japanese-only library of the SNES/SFC more. It's got Goemon, SMT, Kunio-kun, and Fire Emblem, and that's just some of the more popular series.

>>2442838
>selling very expensive and bulky addons
>for a pleb system
>making them mandatory to play new games
Some of the CD games were good but, but what's the point if nobody buys your hardware? Sega were just shooting themselves in the foot.

>>2443264
At least neither the Sega CD/32x sold as bad as the turd that was the 64DD.

>>2441751
>>2441689
>>2441672
the genesis version looks better...
wow, never new.
I wonder how the 6 button pad plays with the games, since it's kinda like an arcade stick like controllers, ie if you play piano wise.

>>2442838
Can't forget the amazing version of nhl 94'

>>2443217
>Super Mario RPG
Just about anything, I'd think.

>>2429958

Who cares when they both had such glorious game libraries?
Everyone won.

Sega

>>2443362

One of these games cost $100.

>>2443365
And was on an older and cheaper console.

>>2443365
Star Fox wasn't exactly cheap itself, anon.

>>2443372

And it shows, that dithering is godawful.

>>2443383
Still better grame rate and poly count.

>>2443406

The polycount is a bit disingenuous, since the track is rendered with polys in VR and a Mode 7 effect (I believe, correct me if wrong) in Star Fox.

>>2443325
SegaCD>64DD>32X

>>2443440
Famicom Disk System > Sega CD > 32x > 64DD.

>>2429958
Nintendo clearly won. The only people that will argue otherwise are the one Sega kid on your block or all Brits/Brazillians (for reasons I don't fully understand).

>>2443464
Sega could have at least made it a bit harder for NIntendo had they canned the 32X before release, and managed to give more time and thought to the launch of the Sega Saturn in the West.

>>2443464
Because the SNES performed like shit compared to the Mega Drive in those regions

>>2442613
Didn't it outsell the GC by like 10x?

It's not the deciding factor but you really can't deny the impact that the DVD player in it had. Like the other guy said, it was actually cheaper than most DVD players of the time

>>2430479
>pretendo
OOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHnintendo gets burnt everytim

>>2443529
No, but the PS2 is the bestselling console of all time. It sold 50% more than the Wii ever did, for instance.

>>2441109

so on point.

I wish I could say I owned cool ass games as a kid, like zool or any phantasy star game. Nope.... I grew up with bubsy the bobcat and spider-man/x-men vs arcade.

>>2443529
7.5x, but even still that's ridiculous.

>>2441054
>Shadowrun
On genesis
>Zombies ate my neighbors
also on genesis
>Battletoads
On genesis
>Desert Strike
I think it's on genesis
>Super Ghouls N Ghosts
predecessor on genesis
>Zoop
Think it's on genesis?
>Street fighter
2nd ones on genesis
>Earthworm Jim
first and second on genesis
>Clayfighter
One's on the genesis
>Flashback
On the genesis
>Populous
on genesis i think?

Not trying to prove a point, I just joined this thread to say, they both had their strengths. Each one is totally different, SNES seemed to be more RPG oriented, and series oriented while the Genesis/MD seemed to be platformers, more obscure title oriented. Both are great systems, if you have a job you can now own both. So what is the problem? As the list I made above, if you can't own both (for some reason), you can own quite a bit of the third party games for both. If one looks worse than the other, or bad audio, whatever? If you can't afford both then you shouldn't be complaining, they are the same game for the most part.

>>2443608
>on genesis i think?
It was. The only real relevancy is the potential to agree with my statement. The Genesis had a larger variety of unique games based on the fact that usually the more unique games on the system were multi-plat.

My point was, these games are more than Mario and Zelda which was the statement given about the SNES. The SNES has a worthwhile library outside of those two series and JRPGs and you do seem to recognize that.

>or the most part.
eh... some ports in either direction are less than adequate. Say Mortal Kombat for the SNES for example. Looked better, laggy input that was jank as fuck though. It basically destroyed the game's playability and might as well not have been a port at all.

>>2443608
The Genesis got a port of the original Battletoads. The SNES got its sequel, Battlemaniacs. The two versions of Shadowrun are also very different.

>>2442864
>the ecco cd soundtrack was way superior,
In production quality, yes. In overall musical quality and capturing the essence of the game, absolutely not and it's fucking horrible. Half the fucking ecco cd soundtrack is whale humping for fuck sake. Whoever made the music didn't even bother trying to feel the game. They basically just told them make some ocean sounding generic soundscape music - also put a few whale orgasms in it.
The Sega-CD music does a disservice to the emotional rollercoaster and adventure that is Ecco.

>>2444017
Have you even played Ecco CD? Spencer Nilsen, who, yes, worked on the original game's soundtrack, did the Sega CD version. There's even a few songs from the original in the CD version.

I honestly prefer the Genesis soundtracks to both, myself, but Ecco 1 and 2 CD's soundtracks are still wonderful.

>>2444024
>Spencer Nilsen, who, yes, worked on the original game's soundtrack, did the Sega CD version.
I stand corrected. I will go out and buy a card for his family and give my condolences. Dementia is a terrible thing to have for an individual and their families.

>>2443994
that's why I said for the most part and didn't know I love battletoads.

>>2444024
I enjoyed the educational video they included about dolphins in the CD version. This wouldn't have been possible on cartridge.

I was a SNES kid growing up, but I will say the Genesis has some great games.

>Dynamite Headdy
>Ristar
>Rocket Knight Adventures

>>2429958
i had both systems growing up, i cant say which was the one that defined my childhood, it would have to be both of them

>>2429958
Streets of Rage trilogy better than Final Fight trilogy

Contra Hard Corps better than Contra III

SNES had better RPG's

SNES had Mega Man

SNES won the sales war. Impossible to say which had better games, both were really great.

I owned a Genesis and not a SNES, however I always believed and stated the SNES was better. I used to swap with my friends' SNES often.

>>2441741
This is one of the most incorrect statements I've ever seen on this board. The SNES is legendary among musicians, videogame developers and music lovers everywhere, it is regarded as one of the pinnacles of audio experience in gaming, even today the sound chip is extremely hard to emulate properly and stands the test of time even against modern sound chips in certain aspects. The sound chip on the SNES was and is regarded as one of its greatest strengths, meanwhile the synths on the MD/Gen is regarded as a pile of crap by comparison.

Jesus Christ, how on earth did you **** that up so much? You are either throwing it out there as a flagrant misinformation attempt or you must be confusing it with something else that you heard about.

>>2445728
It probably has to do with him not being a troll and him knowing what the fuck he's talking about.

Otherwise he would have said something like >>2445728

How good is Dynamite Headdy?

>>2445939
Great.

>>2445942

It's definitely one of the best games on the Genesis. Maybe even one of the best games of the 16-bit era.

>>2445728
>even today the sound chip is extremely hard to emulate properly
lolno, it's just a sample sound chip, so emulators are very accurate and actually sound better than the real thing. FM synth is a lot more complex to emulate.

>>2446075
You think the SNES and genesis are still that hard to emulate? Take a look at some NEO-GEO emulators!