/vr/ - Retro Games

>>2401827
Its kind of a cool thing but the general consensus is its not very good.

You need carts, but its emulating and all this other garbage. Apparently theres a work around where you can play roms off of an SD, which does make it slightly more appealing, since you can use your regular controllers.

Its also kind of stupid. They don't have N64 emulation so you only get NES, Famicom (why they made this I ahve no idea), SNES, Genesis and Gameboy and GBA.

>>2401827
Inb4 me and my wife... stories

>>2401831
I was just about to ask if he was gonna play with his wife...

Do you pay the mod to not delete this shit by letting him fuck your wife?

>>2401830

I've heard about the ROM trick. It seems kinda cool.

I guess the reason I'm interested in this system is for the HDMI support. I also think the OS has a lot of cool features.

I actually have an Ouya and it has a lot of decent emulators. I also have a Google Nexus player that was given to me by a friend. It too has a ton of emulators. I even have an OG Xbox I modded back in the day. None of the emulators for those systems have the video output options available for the Retron 5. That seems like the best part.

However I've heard nothing but horror stories about bent pins and horrible customer service so I'm still wary about buying this machine.

>>2401843
If you want your games to look good on an HD tv, just RGB mod your console (if needed) and get an xrgb mini.

>>2401827
>connector pin problems
Ya they widened the cartridge slot just like my wife's partner widened her slot.

>>2401847

I've seen RGB mods on the big screen, they don't look as good as the output on the Retron 5.

>>2401847

Forgot to mention that this thing also supports built in cheats and save states. The last of which is very cool.

>tfw no wife to play Retron 5 with

Urban Outfitters just had the R5 on sale for $40.

>>2401871

I saw that on CAG, but almost no one actually found them in stores.

>>2401868
>tfw 23
>neved had gf in my life
>no friends
>always play games alone.
fml

>>2401827
If you're going to pay that much to emulate, you may as well just build a microITX PC or save some money with a Pi2 or one of its clones.

>>2401891

Already have Ouya, Nexus Player and OG Xbox. This thing just has an ease of use, HDMI out and a ton of decent features in it's OS. It's far from perfect, but it gets the job done and it can use original controllers.

>>2401885
You need to step up son.
My son was born when I was 23.
Wondering if I should buy Retron 5, so I can play with my wife and son.

>>2401956
>You need to step up son.
I know man but how?
Nobody is telling me where Im making mistakes and what to fix in my life so i can be normal.

>>2401915
Check out the newest raspberry pi, it has hdmi and with emulation station. There are a bunch of video settings. Should be cheaper too.

>>2401978

It's a bare bones PCB, with no case, and a poor selection of emulators.

Don't get me wrong. Pi2 is still a great hobbyist system.

>>2401957
There's no normal in life son.
Find a girl/guy you like. Talk to them.

>>2402001
If you physically collide with someone at a street corner then some babies should pop out. I saw this once in a terrifying car commercial.

>>2401978
>>2401985
got a model a pi with retropi installed. the 3d emulation is shit and it has trouble with mode7, but my ps3 controller works great after a little configuration and goes over great at social gatherings for a little plug and play system, just make sure you iron shit out before hand. coupled with osmc it was a way better investment than the wifecon 5. you'll need a powered usb hub if you want more than 2 people playing at once, but for all the shit you can do with it, I'd say a pi 2 is well worth the money. cases are pretty cheap as well, got a white and red plastic shell, I call it my pokedex when my buddies ask what it is.

>>2402028

I definitely want to screw around with the Pi2. It really seems like a fun bit of kit.

>>2401885
If you get a Retron 5™ you will gain a bunch of friends and a hot new wife in no time.

>>2402008
I want a gif of this, someone make this.

>>2402058
Nor sure if troll or srs.

>>2402095
Srs trolling

Somefag keeps shilling the shitron5, and somewhere along the line 'me and my wife' ended up in there.

/vr/'s been ripping on that ever since.

I'm just curious. What's with all the wife shit posting? I know this is 4chan and most discussion here is impossible, but I think I'm missing out on a good joke.

Or maybe it's just more shit posting.

>>2402097

>Talking about anything that interests you
>Shilling

This is basically what 4chan has come to.

>>2402104
I'm not sure if it originated from a post or if it is linked to that video of the couple reviewing it. I know saving space was a point used in support of wanting to buy a Retron. I find it funny if used in an obvious faux-shill post, but just spamming MY WIFE AND I WANT A RETRON is kinda boring.

>>2402097

Well meme'd friend. Epic troll for the win.

If you can, it's better to just hook your computer up to your TV and use an emulator. If you really want to use original carts and controllers, you can get a Retrode.

The Retron 5 is only even slightly worth it if you have no space for your consoles but somehow have space for all the carts. Or if you really want to waste money.

>>2402095
It's true.

Buy a retron5 and you get a complimentary wife for free. They're doing a special wife bundle these days.

>>2402224
How much if I already have the wife? I'm not interested in having duplicate wives if I can help it.

>>2402123
It was from two posts, possibly from the same person. The first said something to the effect of "your girlfriend/wife will appreciate all the space it'll free up," while the second post, made in reply, was something like "It's true, my wife loves that I don't have all these systems cluttering up the place."

And then everyone went to town on it. The video of the couple reviewing them was weeks after that had already caught on.

>>2402225
I don't think the price goes down without the wife, take it or leave it.

Maybe try selling the wife afterwards on ebay though?

>>2401985
>poor selection of emulators

What? It can run any emulator available on Linux and offers reasonable performance up through 5th generation consoles.

>>2401843
>Ouya doesn't have HDMI
Ask me how I know you're a reverse shill

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFWbEIA7w8Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9zfYee9f6g

Lakka is what Retron SHOULD be. It's RetroArch with a new GUI (similar to PS3), bundled with Linux. It's a OS built for gaming. No hardware, since hardware will always improve. Ported to such hardware like the Pi 1/2, Odroid, and others.

http://www.lakka.tv/

>>2402265
This is cool.I may get odroid just for this.

My wife loves it

>It's an emulation box, so no authenticity.
>It requires carts, so no convenience.

How this can be seen as anything other than a worst of both worlds device praying on ignorant nostalgia is amazing. It also nukes save files randomly and has gaps in compatibility.

The only perk might be that it could lead to cheaper real consoles.

>>2402265
What makes it better that RetroPie or Recalbox?

>>2402603
If it has official support for the Odroid-C1, then just being on the Odroid-C1 makes it better. Right now the main reason to use a Pi2 over Odroid C1 (same price, but with higher performance) is that there is less in the way of ready made software packages for it.

>>2401836
kekekekekekek

>>2402242
Man, nobody wants secondhand wives, even if they are CIB.

>>2402576
this

So it just emulates stuff in the background? Then why even have the cartridges in the first place?

>literally paying for an emulator
>an emulator that doesn't even play ROMs

>>2402265
>It's a OS built for gaming.

No, it's not. It's just Linux with RetroArch preinstalled and some custom scripts.

>>2401985
>PCB, with no case
Even buying case and cables, still more cheap than Retron

>>2401827
I like the idea behind Retron5, but I got an OUYA ages back and it plays all my roms. I have a few NES carts, but I am not willing to buy more carts, more 'things' in oder to use this. I've been trying to downgrade all the shit I own.

>>2402225
Avoid Utah and you should be fine.

Please God let these threads end

>>2402095
It's this crazy new concept called a joke. Keep an eye out because it's really sweeping the nation.

>>2401850
>TFW your emulator hardware will never natively love you

>>2402105
>implying talking about wifes on a anime board isn't shilling marriage.

>>2401827
The system isn't bad by any stretch of the emulation, and is an easy way to play retro games somewhat properly on an HDTV, but it's far too expensive (I personally woudln't pay more than $70 and even that's a stretch) and you can buy an Android TV machine like the Nvidia one coming out and play more systems with free ROMs instead of cartriges. I personally think the best option would be an HDMI-modded original console, but that requires lots of know-how and effort.

>>2403630
they only exist because people get upset over them, in reality only you can prevent these threads by not responding to them

>playing retro games on a modern screen
>caring about HDMI
>still just emulation

everything wrong with the world

>>2403630
all it takes is for the word to be filtered as spam

>>2403680
>is an easy way to play retro games somewhat properly on an HDTV

I really don't know how to take this

>>2403839
Except it doesn't you idiot. Time and time again has proven spam filters don't accomplish shit.

>>2403843
If somebody has cartridge games, but don't have a CRT around, they can use the Retron 5 without lag and/or the screen looking like somebody smeared vasaline on it (unless they're using filters.)

My Wife got me a RetroN V for my birthday and boy howdy, I couldn't have been happier! Now I beat her to death over the head with the thing and shoved a Mario Kart cartridge in her mouth and I'm on the run from the police! Thanks Hyperkin!

I have a retron5 build date March 2015. This is by far the best solution for people with wall mounted HDTV's and who want to enjoy the classic carts they already own with 1 simple system which matches modern components of any decent home theatre.

If you're considering one don't let the retards here persuade you otherwise. No one in their right fucking mind is using CRT monitors anymore outside of 15 year olds in their parents basement who couldn't afford the carts anyways.

The hate on the retron is pretty funny and the people here essentially justify not being able to afford a measly $200 price tag by claiming it's as good of a setup to hook up a laptop and seperate Audio out while running emulators? Lol please.

>>2404049
It actually uses the emulators from retroarch... You can build a pi2 with better controllers for less than $100 easily buying everything new. I didn't build mine because I couldn't afford the cartridges. I have better shit to spend my money on these days.
>MFW I have entire gaming libraries of every system that console emulates and more.
You need to learn what an emulator is guy. I'm guessing you tried it but were too stupid to make it work so you paid retron to figure it out for you.

>>2404121

>Build a Pi2.

Fewer options, poor selection of emulators, can't use original controllers, bare bones PCB.

This thing is plug and play, supports cheats and save states and is a better value all around.

You PiTards need to stop shilling that toy. It's a fun hobbyist product and that's it.

>>2404049

ThinkGeek and a few other sites actually have the Retron 5 for $129, and there are rumors it's going to drop to $99. It's definitely the best way to play most classic games on the big screen, modern TVs.

>>2404131
I use all original controllers, use cheats, and have save states...
>you can get usb adapters for original controllers everywhere.

>>2404141
They're retarded cheap too and in my experience work fine.

>>2404141

Bare bones PC, poor selection of emulators, fewer video and audio options than R5, etc, etc, etc.

>>2404146

>They're retarded

At least you got that part right.

Pi is hipster garbage.

>>2404149
yes because understanding linux makes me a hipster apparently...
>MFW managing linux servers is my job...

>>2404147
I've got at least 4 or 5 emulators as a choice for each console. Pi2 is a completely different beast than earlier pi's. It's bare bones but these old consoles are like 20 years old. Except for like 4 N64 games I play everything flawlessly.

>>2404131
And your wife?

>>2404168
She died 8 months ago in a car wreck... next question?

>>2404168
So she won't enjoy all the space you've saved in the living room by investing in a Retron5(TM)?

How would you know if you're getting the latest revision from the reseller? In my experience they have no technical knowledge of the products they sell.

>>2404221
Dead people aren't concerned about such things.

>>2404167
Well I want to mostly emulate the N64 so ur option is shit
this post is a joke

>>2404247
I'm glad the post is a joke. Considering the retron can't emulate N64 games at all. :) My jimmies were properly rustled until I read the spoiler text.

>>2401827
I swear you fucking guys. You hate emulators, but you go for a retro system that's basically an emulator? I just don't understand the logic.

>>2404272
Linux b hard fool... These old guyz can't computer.

>>2404272
They think holding the cartridge in their hand means they aren't emulating when the truth is they're just running the shittiest possible copy of the game they can find on an emulator.

>>2403929
>...they can use the Retron 5 without lag...
>without lag

Retron is an emulator.

Emulators have so much lag that your ignorance to it is hilarious. From the delayed input polling queue resolution, through frame buffers, to vsync.... you get a pretty standard 3-6 frames lag in nearly all emulators.

But don't let facts get in the way of your emulator fetish!

>>2404460
>unsubstantiated claims of lag

>>2404483
Last time I posted a non youtube/wikipedia link, I got a temp ban. So screw that.

It's a trivial thing to google, so I don't care. If you didn't understand this to be the case by now, then you're someone who doesn't care about frames of lag anyhow.

>>2404486
3-6 frames is a pretty significant claim. I don't know what kind of toaster you're running your emulators on that you get that much lag. With 6 frames you could fucking BLINK before your inputs registered and I think people would notice that on many many games.

>>2404483
>>2404503

Alright, I'll detail it one bit at a time
>Vsync
If you want an emulator to look like the real thing (pre-PS2), you need vsync enabled. Vsync requires a double or triple buffer to function the fastest, and forces a frame buffer. Your best case will always be 1 frame (~16.6ms), but timing sync between computer and screen will typically add 2 frames (~33.2ms) or float between 1 and 2 depending on where time slices line up. It can actually be way more than 2 frames for bad code, but let's assume every emulator you use is perfectly tuned. (More Detail: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screen_tearing#V-sync))

Total add, 1-2 frames (16.6ms - 33.2ms)

>Controller lag
Controllers on original consoles before XBox were direct hardware interrupt design, and were about as fast as could be. Since then, controllers now use 'driver software', so there are basically subsystems for polling, digestion, and reaction. If you don't use a circuit/hardware controller configuration (real retro hardware), you're subjected to this model, such as using a logitech or xbox 360 controller on a PC. This can differ pretty wildly based on hardware, but it's accepted to be 3-5 frames of lag. 4 frames is a common measurement, so we'll go with a fixed amount with 66.7ms (More Detail / Example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0mDwAmQL8s))

Total add, 4 frames (66.7ms)

>Emulated subsystem sync
In emulating, there are usually many chips/processors being emulated at once. In ever retro console I can think of, they run at different frequencies. While the hardware does use event buffering, the timing is as tight as possible since it was bulit with that in mind. Operating System process scheduling time slicing will fall on inaccurate edges. GPU vs CPU timings aren't very large of gaps, but vs Sound is often pretty bad....

(cont.)

>>2404841
...You're probably 'used to it' since emulators have had varied levels of sound desync for years. But, there's a reason why some emulators allow you to adjust it (like Dolphin and PCSX2), because the gap can be really large. For example, the default for PCSX2 is 150ms (see screenshot). You can turn it down, but trying to line up the sub-processors without having hiccups require some pretty massively powerful machines. Plus, there will always be a minimum of 20ms-ish lag, regardless of machine beef. It's just how scheduling works. The early systems, like NES and SNES, are just over 1 frame of lag on audio.

Total audio add, 1-10 frames (16.6ms - 166ms)

>Effeciency
Above doesn't account for ANY ineffeciencies in emulator, internal data management, or so on. In my personal experience, this is just over 1 frame (16ms) in almost all cases. I've seen it higher than 2 in the newer emulators, but we'll use 1 frame for conversation. This is extremely hard to quote/quantify, so you'll either have to believe it or not. (Or look at the code, and see why yourself).

Total add, 1 frame (16.6ms)

So, in terms of input lag totals...
Input -> Visual: 5-6 frames of lag (6-7 with VSync). Or 83ms - 96ms (96ms - 112ms)
Input -> Audio: 6-15 frames of lag for sound. Or 96ms - 249ms.

Disclaimer: I've worked on emulators for the past ~10 years. I'm not anti-emulator by ANY stretch, but we can't pretend it's anything as clean and crisp as the real hardware. I use real hardware when I'm not mobile, for that reason. If you don't believe me, the sound is the easiest one to 'notice' if you're used to lag, especially if you have real hardware to compare it to. Push a button, and see when you hear a sound in- say- Chrono Trigger.

>>2404846
>For example, the default for PCSX2 is 150ms (see screenshot).

Forgot screenshot. Attached.

>>2404846
>>2404841
Let me say upfront I agree with you but.

>vsync claims
I think your 3 frames may be off. I have no idea what kind of lag v sync causes on Android devices.
A game using DirextX isn't going to have much lag and if you cap the fps there's basically no lag.
Running in a window like most emulators do though 3 frames of lag seems accurate.

>Controller lag claims
Few things. I don't know the measured lag of controller input for consoles.

For PC input lag is less than a frame but varies greatly depending on the game. Anywhere from 1 frame to 4 is the usual.

>Emulated subsystem sync
This is pointless to to talk about because you can not measure controller input lag with out measuring this at the same time.

>Effeciency
see above


The best thing to do is have 2 identical monitors one with a real nes and have the retron playing the same nes game and compare with a camera.

>>2403654
WOW YOU SURE SHOWED HIM MATE ::D:D:D:D

>>2404841
>>2404846
>>2404460
Not all emulators are the same, or drivers, or operating systems, or monitors, or hardware, ...
You could theoretically get less input delay on an emulator than real hardware, if you were so inclined.

>>2404949
>You could theoretically get less input delay on an emulator than real hardware, if you were so inclined.
If you want high accuracy you can't.

With linux you could get low lag.

>>2404971
>If you want high accuracy you can't.
Yes you can, accuracy has nothing to do with it.

>>2404976
No. You would need to pushing multiple hundreds of fps.

>>2404979
Which is possible.

>>2404981
And not accurate.

>>2404982
If you're using frame delay, yeah you can still be completely accurate.

>>2404882
>I think your 3 frames may be off. I have no idea what kind of lag v sync causes on Android devices.
A game using DirextX isn't going to have much lag and if you cap the fps there's basically no lag.
Running in a window like most emulators do though 3 frames of lag seems accurate.

Good point, but really only applies to games written for PC. Games for consoles handle the wait/poll/present loops a bit different, and you can't just 'process what you can and wait for draw' because you'll either 1) Miss input events for the frame or 2) cause too much wait-to-process in the loops. Stretching the processing to cover the full cycle works, but tricky.

That said, the NTSC consoles are balanced for 24fps, which doesn't align well with 60fps. So, once you cover the average gaps for sync, then add on the frame buffer for VSYNC with present, you really do end up with a longer gap than normal PC games in presentation. Emulators that DON'T do this, have other timing inaccuracies as a result. Early PSX and PS2 emulators are great examples of what this can cause.

>>2404984
Frame delay causes lag and all sorts of other problems.

>>2404987
No it doesn't.

>>2404989
Do you know what frame delay is? There's a reason that shit isn't used.

>>2404992
Delaying emulation.

>>2404987
>Frame delay causes lag and all sorts of other problems.
>>2404989
>No it doesn't.

Not who you responded to, but off the top of my head-- if you push an input event during the frame delay, it won't register until the next frame process. That will give an 'inconsistent' input responsiveness feeling.

>>2404996
>>2404995
>if you push an input event during the frame delay, it won't register until the next frame process.
Exactly and it's why no one uses that shit for a game.
Depending on how you delay the frame that process can cause lag also.

You also run into frames getting dropped.
If you're outputting 60 frames but frame delay only wants 24 frames to display and is taking 24 out of that 60 and delaying it for a fake 60 frames you get all sorts of video errors.

>>2404996
>if you push an input event during the frame delay, it won't register until the next frame process.
Shouldn't it be polled for the frame that's being delayed? Unless I'm getting my terms mixed up, isn't what they're talking about where you hold off emulating the next frame by a few milliseconds so that any inputs registered in that delay get polled for that frame instead of the next one?

>>2405009
No. I think you mean something like vsync.

>>2405009
Depends on where the wait cycle is put. You can't have the order be "Wait -> Poll -> Process -> Render -> Repeat" unless you can use predictive timeslicing. So it's going to be "Poll -> Process -> Wait -> Render -> Repeat".

>>2405004
Yeah see >>2405009, that's how MAME and RA both operate.
>You also run into frames getting dropped.
Which is why you need to be able to >>2404979.

>>2405018
To do that process correctly causes lag.

>>2404996
Most if not all emulated games polls inputs only once per frame though so it does no matter

What matters is that your input polling is done just before emulated games does it (usually just when emulated vblank starts) and that the delay between polling and updated frame displaying is minimal.

This is actually what frame delay does: it delays frame emulation so that frame (and input polling) is emulated just before that frame is being sent to display hardware (vsync). What emulators generally do is first emulate one frame then wait for vsync until that frame is sent to display, then emulate next frame, etc... which create up to one frame of input lag.

This topic just got a whole lot more interesting, instead of the usual "wife" crap.

>>2405023
>This is actually what frame delay does: it delays frame emulation so that frame (and input polling) is emulated just before that frame is being sent to display hardware (vsync). What emulators generally do is first emulate one frame then wait for vsync until that frame is sent to display, then emulate next frame, etc... which create up to one frame of input lag.
That's really poor.

>>2403929
>but doesn't have a CRT around

Simply not an acceptable scenario.

>>2404987
Properly implemented frame delay reduces input lag, as proven by GroovyMAME

>>2405243
Do you have a link? Because nobody but the emulation crowd uses frame delay.

Idk why the people making these emulators can't just use directx and a fps cap.

>>2405250
>directx

>>2405263
No link and just going to tell me to instal linux. Yep that's what I thought.

>>2401843
Just build a PC for emulation, grab a Retrode if you want to use physical carts.

>>2401854
It supports that cause Retroarch supports that...which is what the Retron 5 is using, without proper permission or licensing.

What's the point of emulation when you can't even play the latest games?

>>2405317
All games are new games if you never played them

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>>2401854
>save states
>very cool

Ladies and gentlemen, the Retron audience

>>2402576
MUH HDMI

>>2405407
Well, save states is pretty bleeding edge tech.

>>2405448
Bleeding edge, just like zsnes.

>>2405407
It is very cool. You can tell all your friends you beat {insert hard nintendo game here} without actually getting gud.And you won't have to compromise your bro cred by learning how to use a computer to do it.

>>2405560
sadly 90% of /vr/ agree.

I got a retron 5 and a wife but all she does is fuck niggers and make me video tape it, it sucks

>>2405560
You mean... CHEATING, like blatantly fucking CHEEEAAATING. Why not just use a cheat code to get to the end and say you "won" or better yet, never play it and just lie? It's all the same.

>>2401831

>have a wife who plays Marvel Vs. Capcom and Mario Kart with me
>She got the MvC cabinet before we even met and refurbished it herself
>A few weeks ago, she tells me she wants a Retron V because she never had an NES as a kid. She grew up with Genesis.
>Nah, sweetie, fuck the retron. I can do that for free!
>hack our Wii and hook it up to one of the CRTs
>ordered a converter to use real NES pads on the Wii
>she is 100% okay with this
>she plays NES games on it and I play Master System games on it

I love my life, /vr/

>>2405709
cool story /vr/o

>>2405709
>Nah, sweetie, fuck the retron. I can do that for free!
>hack our Wii and hook it up to one of the CRTs
>she leaves me for a man that buys a Retron5 instead of cluttering the living room with Nintendos boxes
ftfy

This thread reminds me that 4chan is an infinite shithole that has only gotten worse since Moot ditched the site.

Literally everyone who posts here now is a 12 year old.