/vr/ - Retro Games

wasnt even bad, camera was a bigger issue

>>2400278
dont give this guy replies hes just a troll and most likely gay

Is the other thread even in auto sage yet? Cmon...

Banjo-Kazooie
Banjo-Tooie
Bomberman Hero
Chameleon Twist
Chameleon Twist 2
Diddy Kong Racing
F-Zero X
Glover
Mystical Ninja Starring Goemon
Goemon's Great Adventure
Harvest Moon 64
Jet Force Gemini
Killer Instinct Gold
Kirby 64 The Crystal Shards
The Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time
The Legend of Zelda Majora's Mask
Super Mario 64
Paper Mario
Mario Party 3
Mario Tennis
Mickey's Speedway USA
Mischief Makers
Pilotwings 64
Pokémon Snap
Rocket: Robot on Wheels
Shadowman
Snowboard Kids
Starfox 64
Star Wars: Shadows of the Empire
Super Smash Bros.
Wetrix

Not when you're playing with this abomination. On an emulator, a few games control alright. Wave Race comes to mind.

>>2400275
Were you raped by an N64 as a child, OP?

>>2400329
>tfw when this came out thinking it was amazing design

No 3D games from that era control well.

So no.

>>2400338
kek... a genuine and hearty kek.

Actually found dual analog controls for shooters weird for awhile because I was so used to playing console FPS games on the N64.

>>2400338
Him and probably 2 other kids, the controller has 3 dicks for fucks sake.But seriously, best console ever.

>>2400342
>sony extends the snes control with 2 prongs
>ninty fights back with 3 bigger prongs

Pokemon puzzle league

>>2400342
>a year later sony makes the exact same thing within two hands and two sticks
yeah, i never really thought so

>>2400298
>The Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time
>The Legend of Zelda Majora's Mask
>Good controls
Seriously? They were serviceable but not "good". Heck even the 3DS ports don't have good controls.
I agree on the rest though.

>>2400494
Well what the hell do you consider "good"?
If they're easy to use and don't obstruct gameplay, they're good.

>this troll thread is still up

>>2400329

As much as I hate the fragile 3D stick, I can't play games like Sin and Punishment with another stick. Not the same precision.

>>2400503
>opinions I don't like are trolls

Go back to the Youtube comments section.

>>2400535

Eh, I'm a bit tired of the whole "N64 sucks XD" meme on /vr/.

I personally don't like any of the 5th gen consoles that much except for the Saturn.

>>2400537
>I personally don't like any of the 5th gen consoles that much except for the Saturn.

I'm actually in the same boat with you there. Love the Saturn for all the arcade ports it had compared to everything else on the market at the time.

>>2400275
shitbait.

but Wave Race had god tier controls. you could actually feel the wave resistance without rumble pak and your jetski trying to get through.

also, yoshi's story and any other side-scroller like Bangai-O and Mischief Makers.

>>2400624
Theres a version of wave race with rumble support.

>>2400275
TBH, the stock N64 control was at least kind of weird to handle.

>>2400624
>calls thread bait
>responds to it seriously anyway

>>2400650
yeah so? I'd just like to have better threads regardless.

>>2400473
>>2400380
>>2400342
>>2400329
It's the best controller of 5th gen. Still better overall than the controllers that came after it for the most part.

>>2400275

>>2400931
>It's the best controller of 5th gen.
But isn't the Saturn 5th gen, anon?

>>2401312
And it's a nice controller but the N64 has a better stick. I think it's more ergonomic.

>>2400275
Most racing games on the N64 had pretty good controls

>>2400931
>It's the best controller of 5th gen
Would agree with you if it wasn't for that damn stick (i heard the jap controllers kinda fixed by putting some oil on the bottom of them or some shit), yet even then I believe the PS1's controller was king for that gen.

>>2401334
This.
I'm a fucking MASSIVE sonygger, but Ridge Racer 64 has everything on the PSx fucking BEAT.

It blows that RR64 gets impossibly hard towards the endgame though. Like, make people who are good at F-Zero GX fucking CRY kinds of impossibly hard.

A good time all around though.

>>2401361

Hell no, I never liked the PS's d-pad.

IMO it's Saturn (model 2)>N64>PS

>>2401361
That's a problem 20 years after when we can't get new ones as easily. The stick has near no dead zone. Pretty amazing especially given the time. Wasn't till the xbox that you had a stick to match.

>>2400931
Having a dual stick control scheme would've single-handedly solved Mario 64's biggest flaw, the camera controls.

>>2401371
>I'm a fucking MASSIVE sonygger, but Ridge Racer 64 has everything on the PSx fucking BEAT.
well, except for all of the Ridge Racer games on the PS1 (except the first), namely Rage Racer (best tracks in the whole series, period) and R4

the N64 is a pretty nice system for racing games though, and RR64 is a fine game

N64 games had great control, if you had big hands and played from the outside with full motion for your thumb on the analog stick. If you played from the middle you're in for a bad time.

>>2401419
Just when the thread was somewhat decent...

>>2401412

It would have worked the same way the camera works with the C-unit buttons.
The technology just wasn't there yet to make free-moving camera during the 5th gen. Much less in 1996 which was still pretty early into the gen.
Is there any PS1 game with free camera? Not even MGS2 or MGS3: Snake Eater on the PS2 had free camera, we had to wait until MGS3: Subsistence for that.

>>2401430
That's because dual-analog controllers didn't exist until halfway through the PS1's lifetime. The technology was there, devs just didn't take advantage of it.

>>2401415
RR64 had more content and better gameplay than both of those games though. I love R4 (Rage Racer blows ass), but it had 8 courses and a ton of cars that handles similarly. No arcade mode, so all you could do was time trials a few challenges and then the grand prix mode.
RR64 has fewer cars, but what? 30-something courses? The ability to pick and choose what car on what course and at what time. Its just infinitely more replayable than R4. And harder too.

And don't get all up in muh grill cause I'm siding with a Nintendo game either. I's still play any PSX game over even the best N64 games, I just happen to really like this ONE game, lol.

>>2401438

Then again, the technology was also there when MGS2 and Snake Eater came out, but those didn't have free-camera. It was something that started in the mid of 6th gen.

When you think about it, the C-unit buttons on the N64 controller are basically a secondary d-pad, with 8 different directional inputs (horizontal, vertical and diagonals), so they could have also made a free camera with the C-units, no need for another analogue (although analogue works better for camera)

>>2401430
>>2401445
Plenty of PlayStation games had dual stick support, but with the Analog Joystick. So the technology was definitely there and could be implemented, it just wasn't until later that devs thought of doing it with dual-stick controllers like DualShock.

>>2401458

I don't mean dual stick support, I mean actual free-movement camera. You know, like in MGS3: Subsistence, or most games starting from the 7th gen.
Back in the 5th gen, free camera wasn't a thing, or at least I don't remember it in most games. There's probably a couple, probably on PC, but can't remember any on PS, N64 or Saturn.

>>2401754
The point was that the technology was available, just that devs didn't think to use it. Obviously there wouldn't be any on the N64 and Saturn because they didn't have dual analog sticks as standard, same with the PlayStation for half its run. But that doesn't mean the technology wasn't there to support it.

>>2400298
>Mystical Ninja Starring Goemon
>Good controls
Pick one. Jesus fucking christ I love this game but you nintendo babies need to stop getting butthurt just because Nintendo made the most horrific controller for 3D games ever.

You cannot defend the design of the analog stick. It was a cost cutting measure and it fucking sucks.

>>2401332
Did your mother drink when she was pregnant with you?
Were you born with deformed hands?
The last thing to come to mind is ergonomic when you think of N64 control.

>>2401769

What was the problem with MNsG's controls?

The PS1 3D goemon game was atrocious in comparision.
Starring Goemon is prettay good, even today.

>>2401769
>>2401774
The N64 controller is perfectly fine as long as you're not trying to use the D-pad and stick at the same time. Not as good as DualShock but not terrible.

>>2401782
For starters it suffers from the horrific camera that plagues that era of games.
Secondly good luck controlling anywhere that you need to walk a fine line with a worn stick.

It didn't really age well, I recently played through it again and the camera was the most difficult enemy.

>>2401785
These are not excuses that you should have to make for a controller. It is a failure of a controller with possibly the biggest design flaw since the Atari 5200 controller.

>>2401789

I played through it again and didn't have any problem with the camera.
Then again as you said, camera was a common issue back then, but I still play all sort of 3D games from that era. Was just playing some Burning Rangers tonight.

MNsG is a really good game, the one you DON'T want to play is the PS1 3D one.

>>2401791
At least it had a stick at launch, unlike the Saturn and PlayStation. Nintendo's only flaw was not releasing an updated version like Sega and Sony did, which is the only reason anyone gives those two a pass.

>>2401785

>as long as you're not trying to use the D-pad and stick at the same time

why not? games like Sin and Punishment or Bangai-O control flawlessly with the left-hand position, using the d-pad, stick, Z button and L button.

>Not as good as DualShock but not terrible.

DualShock is my least favorite controller of the 5th gen, personally.
Don't like the sticks, don't like that fucking d-pad, don't even like the select and start buttons on it.
Model 2 Saturn is the best, then N64, then dual shock.

>>2401804
Aside from the analog controller being a bulky piece of shit, my complaint with the Saturn controllers and pre-analog PlayStation controller is the lack of proper 3D support. The generation as a whole was supposedly a huge leap forward as the start of proper 3D graphics and gameplay, yet the initial controllers were still stuck in the past. Ergonomically it's good, but the Saturn controllers are basically just 6-button Genesis controllers.

And for the N64 controller, I found it hard to use the stick effectively with my hand on the left prong or the D-pad with my hand in the middle, at least as a kid. I loved the DualShock so much because every button and stick was in reach without having to move the hands or strain my thumbs.

>>2401823

I find using the analogues on the DS kind of awkward even to this day, and the PS1 and PS2 sticks were clunky as hell, they got better with the DS3 at least.

I never had any problem using the Saturn's excellent d-pad to play 3D games, although there's also the Nights controller, I just use the regular model 2 pad, never had any problem with games like Panzer Dragoon, Burning Rangers, etc.

>>2400931
But that's not the DualShock.

>>2401834

That's right, the dualshock is not the best controller of 5th gen, at all. It's the Saturn model 2.

>>2401306
I love the n64 controller as much as the next guy, but never "landing correctly simulator 1998" is not a good example of control.

>>2400931
look at this fag

>>2401898

What triggered you to post that?

>>2401860
Shit my best m8 and I used to joke how we were the best in the world at 1080. I am starting to think we were

>>2401804
>>2401791
>>2401774
Few games a even fewer good games make use a dpad and stick at the same time. That's for any gen.

If you think the N64 stick isn't good you probably never had a N64 or are a kid. It's the most sensitive stick at that time.

>ITT: People getting mad at the first controller ever commercially made for 3D games being primitive

>>2401395
that's because it uses optical sensors

>>2403083
This. The N64 controller was great when it first came out. The only flaw was not releasing a dual stick model like Sony did, but by the time they would've released it they'd have been working on the GameCube anyway.

>>2403083
>first console control pad ever commercially made for 3D games

FTFY

>>2403083
>I never heard of joysticks

Hey you pikachu

>>2403083
>the first controller ever commercially made for 3D games

/v/ underage pls go and stay go

Worst controls on the whole system.

still an otherwise decent port though

>>2401791

"as long as you're not holding it wrong" is not an excuse. You're meant to hold the middle for most games.

>>2400494
Go to bed Arin.

>>2403216
>>2403220
I meant this >>2403208
Way to take things too literally

The two Zelda games have the best controls for the N64.

>>2403408
oooooo ice burn

>>2400298
I agree with most of your list. There are some n64 games that have some of the slickest controlls of any game I've ever played. OoT, SM64 Smash Bros all had fucking amazing controlls. I do however disagree on a couple games
>Jet Force Gemini
>Glover
>Shadow of the Empire
These ones had pretty horrible controls

other than that, good list

>>2404156
What's wrong with Glover and SotE's controls?

>>2404156

>Jet Force Gemini
>bad controls

pro tip: change the control scheme to "Expert". it actually transforms the controls from clunky to great.

>>2400275
WCW World Tour
WCWNWO Revenge
WWF Wrestlemania 2000
WWF No Mercy
VPW
VPW2

>>2400275
Ummm... all of them?

Why does this same troll have a hardon for N64? Would his parents not buy him one or something?