/vr/ - Retro Games

>>2388525
also, who else /excited/ about Beyond Shadowgate 2016 and one day hopefully Shadowgate Rising with Raven the sexy redhead sorceress?

Although I'm sure it's best to play Shadowgate with a mouse or maybe touchscreen there will always be a special place for the NES version in my heart as the first game that truly terrified me. Even though I owned and constantly did battle with Ghosts n Goblins, which is also horror themed and dick hard Shadowgate much more thoroughly scared me. I dunno if it was the first person perspective or the atmosphere or what but I was so afraid to make mistakes and have to reload that I was always running low on torches and just... ugh.. the dread.

I just got Shadowgate 64 and holy shit I'm only in the 1st tower and I'm already stuck. I think I might have to soon cave and hit up GameFAQs.

>>2388563
where you stuck at? I finished SG 64 several times. I think I could help.

>>2388547
it's pretty funny what some games do with people in terms of immersion. I wasn't so scared the first time I played the NES version.

Chris Cold's artwork is truly a godsend for this game's style, very cool. but I was also happy with retro SG in game models as well as SG 64's japanese almost anime styled artwork.

old Del artwork.

>>2388575
new Del artwork.

can't wait.

>>2388569
I believe the most recent thing of worth I did was open up the dormitory floor with that 3-statue puzzle. I found the flute and some more books & notes up there and now I have no damn clue what to do next.

>>2388580
for the sake of not wanting to spoil anything I think I'll give you a small hint.

I'm not sure exactly where you are right now but
maybe you should go take a look outside the window in the library. you wanna leave that damn tower some day, don't you? this might help.

>>2388569
>I wasn't so scared the first time I played the NES version.
Were you nine years old and it was cutting edge technology? Because that's where I was.

>>2388589
no, admittingly I was a bit older. I think I can see your point now, lol.

>>2388583
Me again, that was a very good hint, subtle and not outright holding my hand. I'm wondering if you can now give me another like it for the red star in the ceiling.

>>2389601
glad I could help. well, the next one is really tricky without giving away a little more info.

now, the red star on the ceiling is clearly a hole. that's what Del sees when he examines it more closely. The door with the moon symbol is next to it. In short you need a key.

Hint: that key doesn't exist (yet). think about a certain item you may have seen throughout your journey that resembles a key and see what you could possibly do with it in the 2nd tower.

>>2388525
I've only ever played the GBC versions of this and Deja Vu I&II. Great adventure games.

>tfw no qt and sexy Raven gf

>>2388569
shadowgate 64 gave me a good spooking as a kid.

>cathedral
>trying to climb down ladder or something
>spooky quiet ambience SHATTERED by blood curdling scream as you fall
>NOPE
>return to rental store

>>2390536
lol. it's really grim sometimes because the next death scene might come up already if you're on the cathedral roof.
so slipping and falling into some pit happens pretty often. drowning and getting flayed alive by blades as well.

A few years ago, somebody recreated the original shadowgate as fan-game with RPG Maker. it was surprisingly good. the 1st person perspective was gone of course but it was fun regardless.

>walk into room
>see this
>wat do

>>2390536
SG64 anon here. I've been laughing my ass off with every death of mine, including falling from the roof and poisoning myself with chemical gas.

>>2391068
Stab him with the spear.

>>2391068
Tell him to get a fucking job

>>2391068
Throw the spear at him the first time around, next time you encounter him use the spell that turns you invisible and stroll right past him

>>2390536
>>2391413
you guys should really play Shadowgate 2014 sometime. it has a lot of regular and hidden death scenes. I know I had fun.

>>2391068
give that gentle-troll a goldcoin for keeping that bridge intact for such a long time and be on my merry way :^)

>>2391430
this literally is his job. he's a bridgetroll. the most common trolljob there. other trolljobs include writing for Kotaku, pushing feminist agenda on the internet trying to ruin the gaming industry and posting /v/ tier shitthreads on /vr/. (this one not included of course).

shittiest part in SG Classic: OPEN the fucking map on the wall with the telescope next to it. this is bullshit.
but I finally finished the game. felt good.

I just hope they gonna do all these interesting places on that map if they do sequels. In the end of Classic you basically become prince of Stormhaven and since you marry the king's daughter. Jair fucking made it.

That being said, I wouldn't mind a Shadowgate RPG.

anybody else just hate Lakmir for his role in these games? I mean I can see his function in the games but all that motherfucker does is meandering and grieving about how shit went terribly wrong so he uses the PC as a leverage to get things right this time around.

can't wait until SG moves past that "iconic" state of narrative and actually starts fleshing out characters so it's not as predictable and tired anymore.

>>2391876
Lol'd, thanks for that anon, you made my day somewhat brighter

How much is the GBC version like the MacVentures original? Should I get it if I already played through the mac version?

>>2395282
He's basically Gandalf, when you think of it. Finding halflings to send to their almost-certain doom.

>>2395320
you're very welcome. I love entertaining people.

>>2395368
yeah, such a fucking douchebag. but at least Gandalf was accompanying Frodo.

>>2395282
>>2395368
new Chris Cold Lakmir design is fucking cool though.

>>2395376
oh an btw, I'd rather have that troll guarding the damn bridge instead of becoming an outspoken advocate for Anita Sarkeesian. (let's be real, bitch is as bad as the warlock lord).

SG64 anon again. I've cleared the first two towers. I have access to the shop, inn, stables, etc... I feel like I should have the map by now. Clearly I've missed it.

>>2395443
hey, that map you're looking for is somewhere in the waters when you go back to the sewers right beneath the jailcell you're starting out. so I think you could go back and still pick it up technically. it's supposed to be in the first room on the right (if there was water, I don't remember).

but just as a reminder, you technically don't need the map anyway. I finished the game without and it was easily bearable. not much of areas to memorize anyway. the village isn't big and the 4 towers are all rather linear so not hard to remember..

>>2395353
they are very much alike. the only differences seem to be in-game models and colors that look slightly different (Hell-hound, Werewolf, etc.). Lakmir wears a blood red robe in the GBC version and in the colored macventure game it's a blue robe but same model. the two bridges look a bit different too.

gameplay-wise there are no differences afaik.

if you want new and varied content, you should definitely get the new Shadowgate on Steam or GoG. they changed a lot compared to the original and made the scope of the game even bigger that way. for example, the ice orb you get isn't just an orb anymore you can use for freezing up the lake. now it's an orb that sucks in different elementals that live in Castle Shadowgate and you can use release their powers depending on different situations. I liked that since it has a bit of a creature-collecting game flair like Pokemon or SMT.

>>2395614
I played through the remake first, the MacVentures version came with it and I played through that afterwards. I thought it the 8-bit versions added any new puzzles or other noteworthy change I might play through those as well.

>>2395630
not really. the problem with SG Classic is that it's a very faithful remake of any older SG version and I would have liked it if they added at least a few more difficulties to choose from. But that would mean new content and new puzzles.

At least SG 2014 delivers on all of that.

>>2395647
Man I've been looking at the achivements for Shadowgate 2014 on Steam. for more than half of them, less than 1% of users have earned them. The game must be an absolute bear.

>>2395749
it depends. a lot of achievements are tied to all the deaths you can collect by failing so that doesn't really happen as often.

another reason is that a lot of players don't really play past the novice mode and since a lot of achievements are only unlockable in other difficulty modes, they never get to see any of them. then there is a turn limit on top of that so you can unlock certain achievements.

but yeah, a lot of achievements are about unlocking regular deaths and hidden ones. I haven't really bothered getting these as well although everybody should, you get interesting cutscenes for that.

SPOILER AHEAD:
like giving the king his ring back is a bad idea now since he's an undead who haunts you then.

>>2395978
Well 15 bucks is way too much for a game I basically already own, BUT the summer sale is just around the corner. If the discount is steep enough I might go for it.

>>2395993
that would be cool. Zojoi want to make Beyond Shadowgate 2016 as well and I'm so fucking hyped because after Shadowgate 64 it took them about 15 years to make a new SG game. that's a long time.

besides, I thought the extra content is worth it. full soundtrack, SG Artbook with 63 pages, a bunch of wallpapers, Shadowgate Rising and Classic comic issue.

>>2396116
oh and the world map and a whole calendar was also included.

>>2395993
price is still worth it imo because the additonal content is neat.

>full soundtrack
>bunch of wallpapers
>SG Classic and SG Rising comic issue to read
>a whole artbook with 63 pages in total
>Kal Torlin map
>a whole calendar for 2015
>game has a pretty cool Halloween quest as well.

>>2388547
Same here, mang. There are times even nowadays where the atmosphere of the game gives me the heebie-jeebies.

It truly would be a sad thing to for this thread to have ended here!!

BUMP

>>2404054
OP here. thanks for the bump.

I don't know what else to discuss though, I guess I post some more artwork or screenshots.

Maybe this: http://www.unseen64.net/2008/04/04/shadowgate-rising-n64-cancelled/

SG Rising on N64 was almost done but they cancelled it because the gamecube was coming out. Would have enjoyed to see what that game is like. there is something enticing about unreleased retro games. like it was the same with Baldur's Gate 3 - The Black Hound albeit not retro. But I'm still kinda glad they never did SG Rising considering how bad Kemco's animations and textures in SG 64 were.

So I'd love to see them release SG Rising after Beyond Shadowgate but I think they might actually consider an Uninvited and Deja Vu remake before that. Most of those KS retro revivals seem like a pretty good deal so far.
so it makes me wonder why didn't anybody on /v/ talk about Zojoi's Kickstarter campaigns 2 years ago? That Sherlock Holmes kickstarter failed and /v/ never talked about it. Even when the SG remake was announced nobody on /v/ cared.

this is part of the reason why one can only make a decent thread about SG or other pure adventure games on /vr/.

>>2404625
and this pic looks like it's straight from Castlevania 64.

>>2404054
Oh wow, thanks, Death. SG64 anon here, and I just beat it last night. I wish I could say I did it without help, but I did have to go to gamefaqs 5 or 6 times. Some especially bullshit moments were finding the bedpost/lever and the rusty key which blended in so well with the floor that even when I knew where to look I couldn't see it. But overall it was a satisfying experience and I'm glad I got it. Kudos to based Spleet in the BST thread who sold me his CiB copy for cheap.

>>2404649
ha, I all know these feels.
hope you had fun figuring out the bullshit with the nail as well that you probably left lying around in the cathedral first time around thinking it wouldn't be important anyway.

>>2405118
Nah I figured that out with little trouble, actually Really, the actual puzzle aspects of the game I did pretty fine at, and 80% of the trouble I faced was just not having items that were WAY too well hidden. The dragon fang was another example of this.

I am split between the NES version and the Modern Reboot. I give the modern reboot its due as the original creators bough back the IP rights and the rights to the NES version's music. The original Apple version lacks sound.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNiL_sTS4u8

This is my favorite playthrough of Shadowgate, just because one of them has already played the entire game, and is using that to fuck with the other. I'm not a fan of either LPer otherwise, though.

>>2405164
>I give the modern reboot its due as the original creators bough back the IP rights and the rights to the NES version's music

they look like nice fellas.

>both in their 50s now
>still have a huge load of game ideas and scripts in folders they've been sitting on for that long

maybe either a retro remake for Uninvited or Deja Vu comes next or Beyond Shadowgate straight away.

>>2405151
dragon fang is on that book shelf in the wizard's home.

the bedpost lever was REALLY damn well hidden. I remember that rusty key too. first time playing as a teen. I totally missed that key.

>>2405164
>play modern reboot
>find out that you can't kill all the goblins in the goblin room without killing yourself in the process.

I wish they'd have done more with that black axe questline though but I think this is where the money run out.

How do you feel about DeathGate ?

>>2405287
I never even heard of that game. it's by Legend Entertainment, right? Is it any good? I'm gonna check that one out for sure.

But I played the Wheel of Time FPShooter by Legend Ent. and that was a pretty decent game.

>>2388576
>>2388575
Blegh, I'm not a fan of that new look. I'm quite fond of the original Del design though. I ship him with my OC

>>2405305
I like it a lot . But I realize that not everybody likes Chris Cold's artstyle.

that being said, I'm a little worried though once he will start drawing Raven because she's so striking to the eye and every character he draws is a bit more obscure and has barely visible facial features but I'm sure he will find a way to work around that.

>>2405305
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=99duISHDK0E#t=357

here's the teaser, m8. I'm so hyped.

>>2405305
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99duISHDK0E

teaser at 05:56, m8.
I'm so hyped.

SG64 was 2spooky

>>2405538
it was but that's Shadowgate for you, even the credits and the music they used for the credits was fucking creepy although the game has a lot of brighter moments inbetween (like riding a huge dragon!). we'll never know what the N64 version of SG Rising would have been like since it was never released. some screenshots:
http://www.unseen64.net/2008/04/04/shadowgate-rising-n64-cancelled/

>>2405538
>>2405538
Shadowgate on the whole was spooky. One of the creepiest deaths you gould get was when you broke the wrong mirrors in the NES version, and you ended up being sucked into outer space.

>>2405697
>jump down the well without throwing the big coin in it first
>game describes in detail how the drop breaks both of your legs and you simple starve to death laying there.

also, pic related for your scenario. seems like they did a whole cutscene for that in the remake.

>>2405416
So like, I'm unclear about this game. Is this a remake of the TG16 shadowgate, or some new game that's inspired from it? Is SG64 not in this cannon, but is borrowing elements from it? Because SG64 is 100 years after shadowgate, yet that teaser seems to indicate it's maybe 50 years afterward yet there's Del Conttonwood, with a whole new Theif occupation, as the protagonist.

>>2405732
I'm not sure either. It's too early discussing this anyway but my line of thought is similar. It's probably a whole new game that was inspired by SG64 and Beyond SG (the sidescroller retro game) alike because as the teaser says, it takes place in the closed off capital city and not Castle Shadowgate. so the question is if SG64 will remain canon or not. They might retcon it completely like that.

But this is really great either way because we finally get to see some other parts of the map in Kal Torlin and more lore-related stuff about that universe and Zojoi get to do what they always wanted to do.

>>2405732
>whole new thief occupation
>new

well, it depends. concept-wise, Del always was somewhat pushed into the thief role.
obviously, they have a certain theme going on with the SG protags.

Warrior: Lord Jair
Sorceress: Raven
Rogue: Del Cottonwood

>TG16 Shadowgate
>Shadowgate 64
>Remake

Can you rate them from 0-10, where the original is a 10?

>>2406661
Del's entry in the Shadowgate 64 manual: "You'll assume the role of the Halfling Del Cottonwood as you explore Castle Shadowgate. A free spirit off to seek his fortune, Del found himself waylaid and thrown into the dungeon beneath the castle."

Literally no mention of him being a thief there. And I just played the game too and there was no reference to him being a thief in-game either. And think about it, he was traveling with a trade caravan, the last group that would want a thief amongst them anyway.

>>2406853
oh I totally realize what you're getting at and that seems true but I was speaking more about the narrative scope of the N64 game and that doesn't only include what his occupation is but also what surrounds him. Shadowgate is a ruin occupied and ransacked by bandits and thieves. that's right. also, in D&D the prefered class for halflings is usually a rogue. But I totally know that N64 Del isn't really a thief. Free-Spirit sounds neat but doesn't seem like a class or job, right? It's just that for example in games like FF VI Locke also calls himself an adventurer and treasurehunter as well although he's actually a thief and nothing less.

I'm just saying that this particular focus on thieves going by scenery clearly fits the bigger picture if you take the other games into account.

besides, with Beyond SG 2016 they want him to be a thief anyway so that makes me assume they always had this planned out when thinking about this character.

>>2406769
could you rephrase what you want?

>>2391068
Be a dumbass giving all my money to him.

Anyway can someone tell me about Shadowgate 64 and how it compares to the original?

>>2405164
The thought of a Deja Vu 3 makes me rock hard.

>>2407973
>Anyway can someone tell me about Shadowgate 64 and how it compares to the original?

yes. the difference is that the original is a pure point and click adventure and SG 64 is a first person adventure game where you don't have a cursor. At its core, it works the same. In SG64 the story takes place about a 100 years after the original took place. All the rooms Jair visited seem to be gone and Shadowgate is a ruin now but the four towers are still around and a little really creepy and desolate village where almost everybody left.

Gameplay-wise, a big difference is that you obviously have a full 3D experience. There are more NPCs to talk to, living and dead ones. you can take more items along but some will never any purpose. Another cool thing is that SG64 has a lot of books that explain background lore and some notes and books give you hints how to progress as well. it's similar to finding a book in Morrowind and then you read it. Also, you fight a few enemies in the original but not in SG64 since Del isn't a warrior. However, Del can trick a few people and otherwise normally progresses through being knowledgable about something or by showing some NPCs certain items.

a down-side of this game are the really muddy textures and the shitty animations but all the content is still pretty cool. In short there is much more real time interaction compared to the original which works in taking turns.

>>2408035
Speaking of deja vu, I've never played DV2. Should I hunt down a copy of the GBC version, or just buy it on steam?

>>2407973
I actually have to rate SG64 as the better game simply because it doesn't have the torch mechanic that the original did. That mechanic was as bullshit as it was needless.

>>2411229
I agree, yet they still re-implemented it as a nod to the original and an one time trial when you're at the end of the third tower.

it's just a candle instead of a regular torch this time around but I enjoyed that.

>>2411229
also, the remake not only has torches running out quickly in the master mode but you also get banshee cursed once you open that coffin in the tomb room.

after 250 turns or something, the curse will kill you and after that you still have to worry about the torches running out, unless of course you go visit the djinn and answer 4 of his riddles correctly.

>>2410868
just get it on steam.
besides, that will give Zojoi a share instead of buying a used GBC copy.

>>2405193
btw fun retro pic of the devs I've found.

>>2411338
>shadowgateprintingmoney.jpg